[meteorite-list] Hessle Orgueil
Hi I have some Hessle and Orgueil for sale. The Hessle pieces are pea-sized complete stones with crust. Some of the Orgueil pieces still have crust and the largest weighs 1.19 g. I'll bring the meteorites with me to Tucson. Send me an E-mail if you're interested. Johan Soderhielm Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Breaking News - Space Shuttle Challenger Missing
It appears that the space shuttle Challenger is gone. While on it's glide approach for landing this morning, it disappeared from radar and all communications were lost at an altitude of about 200,000 feet. People in the northeast section of Texas, about 100 miles north of Dallas, have reported hearing explosions loud enough to rattle windows in houses. A few moments ago, footage was show on one of the national news channels of what appears to be the Challenge breaking up in the upper atmosphere with several distinct smoke trails visible. More information will become available throughout the morning. Regretfully, John Gwilliam __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Entry Revisions For Mystery Meteorite Contest #2---made it before 12:00 AM PST!
January 28, 2003 Greetings Mr. Adam Hupe: I decided to revise my assumptions, and just in time! If any of the following is against the rules, please ignore them then, and just keep my original guesses which are provided at the end of this e-mail! In my revision, I left Specimen #3 the same. I hope this is allowable as I had some trouble understanding your last post concerning this very matter. Thank you for the opportunity to enter, again! THE REVISION: Here are my revised assumptions for Mystery Meteorite Contest #2: Specimen #1: A brecciated, polymict, ungrouped chondrite with enstatite clasts. It is probably somehow connected to LL and/or R-chondrites; perhaps extending, or filling in a gap in the degree of oxidation. Weathering grade: ~2 Specimen #2: An ungrouped, heavily shocked, monomict, basaltic type of achondrite that is either a unique eucrite or only related in composition. It is not NWA 011. Weathering Grade: 0-1 Specimen #3: An unusual, inclusion rich howardite, displaying a goodly number of different clasts, including possible carbonaceous material. Its overall light colored matrix, however, leans towards the eucritic end of the howardites. Weathering Grade: 0-1 THE FOLLOWING ARE MY ORIGINAL ENTRIES: Specimen #1: A brecciated, polymict R-chondrite. Weathering grade: ~2 Specimen #2: A highly shocked shergottite, probably basaltic. The shock veins have the earmarks of maskelynite. Do I see vesicles? Weathering Grade: 0-1 Specimen #3: An unusual, inclusion rich howardite, displaying a goodly number of different clasts, including possible carbonaceous material. Its overall light colored matrix, however, leans towards the eucritic end of the howardites. Weathering Grade: 0-1 Like always, I probably racked my noodle at this way too long! Long strewn fields! Mark Fox Newaygo, MI USA __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Space Shuttle Crash
Hello List, As you might be hearing on the news right now, the Space Shuttle Columbia has just crashed in Texas. Saddened, Mark Bostick __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Breaking News - Space Shuttle Columbia
In my haste to type and send this message to the List before leaving for Tucson this morning, deja vu must have affected me. The original message should read the Columbia is gone. * It appears that the space shuttle Challenger is gone. While on it's glide approach for landing this morning, it disappeared from radar and all communications were lost at an altitude of about 200,000 feet. People in the northeast section of Texas, about 100 miles north of Dallas, have reported hearing explosions loud enough to rattle windows in houses. A few moments ago, footage was show on one of the national news channels of what appears to be the Challenge breaking up in the upper atmosphere with several distinct smoke trails visible. More information will become available throughout the morning. Regretfully, John Gwilliam __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Space Shuttle Columbia Explosion...
Hello all from internet point The news is arrive now in Italy from the TV and internet http://www.ansa.it/fdg01/20030201153198790/20030201153198790.shtml is very terrible this. Regards Matteo --- Mark Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Feb. 1, 2003 Dear Meteorite Enthusiasts, I just listened to the news right after the post from Mr. John Gwilliam. This is just terrible!! Why must we keep sending people up there? Space travel, no matter how breathtaking and awesome, is still too hazardous and not well thought out yet. People's lives in space are at stake every minute, and there is still no good way for them to escape to earth when a fateful problem arises! It is at all comprehensible that a tiny meteoroid sent the shuttle to earth as a fireball? Sincerely, Mark Fox Newaygo, MI USA __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ureilites ????? can anyone give me more info ?
I've been reading up on Ureilites and the possibility of them being from Venus and was wondering if anyone more knowledgeable than my beginner self can fill me in on the up to date wisdon on their make-up and origins. They seem a fascinating fall type and I'd love to know more. Thanks in advance Ian Barrett
[meteorite-list] BRECCIA
Dear List; First we regret to hear news about the space shuttle, we express our deep sorrow for this horrible accident that remind us with Challenger. Back to my rocks and I suppose this is the last update of mu hunts because my holiday is over (you will be happy I know!). I wonder if you still have any doubt that this nice rock here: http://www.alifyaa.com/meteorite/pl9/ is (luner or not) breccia. Please check it out and send me your comments. Please notice the FLOW LINES in one part of this rock is identical to what I showed you before here: http://www.alifyaa.com/meteorite/fl/ It seems to me that these latter rocks are from the original meteor that made the breccia. Sincerely Mohamed H. Yousef -- _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] BRECCIA
Mohamed H. Yousef, How do you feel so free to ask questions and expect replies and yet not feel obligated to answer simple questions directed to you? Sincerely, ken newton M Yousef wrote: Dear List; First we regret to hear news about the space shuttle, we express our deep sorrow for this horrible accident that remind us with Challenger. Back to my rocks and I suppose this is the last update of mu hunts because my holiday is over (you will be happy I know!). I wonder if you still have any doubt that this nice rock here: http://www.alifyaa.com/meteorite/pl9/ is (luner or not) breccia. Please check it out and send me your comments. Please notice the FLOW LINES in one part of this rock is identical to what I showed you before here: http://www.alifyaa.com/meteorite/fl/ It seems to me that these latter rocks are from the original meteor that made the breccia. Sincerely Mohamed H. Yousef -- _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] List member witnesses Columbia re-entry
I got the phone call early this morning, from Rob Matson, giving me the horrible news. According to Rob, he was driving north on US15 in the Victorville area of the Mojave Desert when he observed the Space Shuttle Columbia early in its re-entry. Rob reported that all appeared normal at this point in Columbia's fight path. The early morning sunlight was reflecting off of the plasma cloud that the Space Shuttle normally forms during its decent. Rob did not see anything abnormal occurring during the portion of the decent that he witnessed, and had no indication of the disaster that was to occur over Texas until he heard on the radio that the Space Shuttle was still late for its arrival at the Cape! Given the time of morning, Rob was one of the last few people who saw Columbia still in one piece before its tragic break-up and disintegration over Texas. (Please note that I didn't use the term explosion, since it would be inaccurate and misleading.) Regretfully, Bob V. __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NASA Statement On Loss Of Communication With Columbia
http://www.nasa.gov NASA STATEMENT ON LOSS OF COMMUNICATIONS WITH COLUMBIA February 1, 2003 A Space Shuttle contingency has been declared in Mission Control, Houston, as a result of the loss of communication with the Space Shuttle Columbia at approximately 9 a.m. EST Saturday as it descended toward a landing at the Kennedy Space Center, Fla. It was scheduled to touchdown at 9:16 a.m. EST. Communication and tracking of the shuttle was lost at 9 a.m. EST at an altitude of about 203,000 feet in the area above north central Texas. At the time communications were lost. The shuttle was traveling approximately 12,500 miles per hour (Mach 18). No communication and tracking information were received in Mission Control after that time. Search and rescue teams in the Dallas-Fort Worth and in portions of East Texas have been alerted. Any debris that is located in the area that may be related to the Space Shuttle contingency should be avoided and may be hazardous as a result of toxic propellants used aboard the shuttle. The location of any possible debris should immediately be reported to local authorities. Flight controllers in Mission Control have secured all information, notes and data pertinent to today's entry and landing by Space Shuttle Columbia and continue to methodically proceed through contingency plans. News media covering the Space Shuttle should stay tuned to NASA Television, which is broadcast on AMC-2, transponder 9C, C-Band, located at 85 degrees West longitude. The frequency is 3880.0 MHz. Polarization is vertical and audio is monaural at 6.8 MHz. Reporters can also go to any NASA center newsroom to monitor the situation. New information, including the times and locations of press briefings, will be posted to this page. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Space Shuttle Columbia Explosion...
Neither was sailing to the new worldor running down a sand dune at Kitty Hawk, or leaving the earth 250,000 miles behind to explore the moon or running up the stairs in a burning 110 story building. This is why there are heros in the world. If we were to curl up in our safe little worlds, we would all be still living in caves. God Speed to our fallen heros, they gave their lives in a most noble cause, fully aware that the danger exists long before they step aboard. Without these wonderful people our lives would be so much less. I for one would rather die doing what I love then wired to a machine in some hospital. Mark Miconi Phoenix AZ - Original Message - From: Mark Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 8:05 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Space Shuttle Columbia Explosion... Feb. 1, 2003 Dear Meteorite Enthusiasts, I just listened to the news right after the post from Mr. John Gwilliam. This is just terrible!! Why must we keep sending people up there? Space travel, no matter how breathtaking and awesome, is still too hazardous and not well thought out yet. People's lives in space are at stake every minute, and there is still no good way for them to escape to earth when a fateful problem arises! It is at all comprehensible that a tiny meteoroid sent the shuttle to earth as a fireball? Sincerely, Mark Fox Newaygo, MI USA __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] List member witnesses Columbia re-entry
Hi Bob, I was going to watch it, but got up ten minutes to late. I need to check with a friend who was going to take video of it going by in Lancaster, CA. A sad day indeed. Fred Ley IMCA9181 - Original Message - From: Robert Verish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 8:42 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] List member witnesses Columbia re-entry I got the phone call early this morning, from Rob Matson, giving me the horrible news. According to Rob, he was driving north on US15 in the Victorville area of the Mojave Desert when he observed the Space Shuttle Columbia early in its re-entry. Rob reported that all appeared normal at this point in Columbia's fight path. The early morning sunlight was reflecting off of the plasma cloud that the Space Shuttle normally forms during its decent. Rob did not see anything abnormal occurring during the portion of the decent that he witnessed, and had no indication of the disaster that was to occur over Texas until he heard on the radio that the Space Shuttle was still late for its arrival at the Cape! Given the time of morning, Rob was one of the last few people who saw Columbia still in one piece before its tragic break-up and disintegration over Texas. (Please note that I didn't use the term explosion, since it would be inaccurate and misleading.) Regretfully, Bob V. __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Holbrook Boy
Nininger has a brief article on the Holbrook shower pages 13-14 in his book Out of the Sky - An Introduction to Meteorites (Dover Publications, 1952). The boy is mentioned at the top of page 14. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NASA Press Conference Scheduled For 3PM EST, February 1
http://www.nasa.gov NASA PRESS CONFERENCE SCHEDULED FOR 3 P.M. EST FEB. 1 A press conference by Space Shuttle Program Manager Ron Dittemore and Chief Flight Director Milt Heflin will take place from NASA's Johnson Space Center, Houston, beginning at 3 p.m. EST today. The briefing will be carried on NASA TV with two-way question and answer capability from other agency centers. A Space Shuttle contingency was declared earlier this morning in Mission Control when communication was lost with the Space Shuttle Columbia during its return to Earth following a 16-day mission. Communication and tracking of the shuttle was lost at 9 a.m. at an altitude of about 203,000 feet above north central Texas while traveling approximately 12,500 miles per hour (Mach 18). No communication and tracking information was received in Mission Control after that time. Flight controllers in Mission Control immediately began the process of securing all information, notes and data pertinent to today's reentry and landing. NASA TV is on AMC-2, Transponder 9C, vertical polarization at 85 degrees West longitude, 3880 MHz, with audio at 6.8 MHz. NOTE TO PERSONS IN THE AREA: All debris is United States Government property and is critical to the investigation of the shuttle accident. Any and all debris from the accident is to be left alone and reported to Government authorities. Unauthorized persons found in possession of accident debris will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Shuttle Down
Dear List, With the caveat that the following is based on the original flight procedures manual for the orbiter which have been modified in detail over the years, here's the sequence of significant flight events after leaving orbit. After the OMS de-orbit burn, the hypergolic propellants (monomethyl hydrazine and nitrogen tetroxide) in the forward RCS (reaction control system) are dumped. Doing so shifts the orbiter's central balance point and assists in maintaining entry attitude (28 to 38 degrees up-pitch). This is done very early in the descent orbit (about ten minutes before first atmospheric contact). Atmospheric contact begins at around 400,000 feet. Velocity has increased to about 17,100 mph by the descent (conversion of potential energy). LOS (loss of signal) begins at 312,000 feet. Velocity is about 16,700 mph. RCS roll thrusters deactivate at exterior pressure of about 10 psi. Aerodynamic surfaces on wings (elevons) now control roll. At 20 psi exterior pressure RCS pitch thrusters deactivate. Aerodynamic surfaces on wings (elevons) now control pitch. Both these events occur before the point of maximum external heating at 230,000 feet altitude. Velocity is about 15,200 mph to 15,000 mph at this point. At about 205,000 feet, the first roll-reversal maneuver occurs. This is a banking maneuver to control re-entry. A second and third roll-reversal maneuver are scheduled for about 4 minutes later and five minutes after that. The second would be below 180,000 feet and the third at about 100,000 feet. If the shuttle was lost at 203,000 feet, that would place the disaster during this first roll-reversal maneuver. The first thought that comes to mind would almost certainly be catastrophic wing failure. In the earliest portion of the re-entry films, at a point where re-entry has been nominal, one can see the separation of a single large component from the shuttle, probably a wing. The heaviest, densest and strongest section of the orbiter is the crew compartment, originally reinforced to withstand up to 20 gee's and strenthened further after the Challender disaster. In the many telephoto shots of the failed re-entry we're seeing on TV right now, the central forward main mass is almost certainly the crew compartment. Sterling K. Webb __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Remembering Challenger and Columbia
Mark Miconi wrote: God Speed to our fallen heros, they gave their lives in a most noble cause, fully aware that the danger exists long before they stepped aboard. S H U T T L E T R A G E D Y - Jan 28, 1986 Ronald Reagan's Address To The Nation After The Shuttle Tragedy: Ladies and gentlemen, I've planned to speak to you tonight to report on the state of the Union but the events of earlier today have led me to change those plans. Today is a day for mournings and remembering. Nancy and I have pain to the core over the tragedy of the shuttle CHALLENGER. You know we share this pain with all the people of our country. This is truly a national loss. Nineteen years ago almost to the day we lost 3 astronauts in a terrible accident on the ground but we've never lost an astronaut in flight. We've never had a tragedy like this and perhaps we have forgotten the courage it took for the crew of the shuttle but they - these CHALLENGER seven - were aware of the dangers and overcame them and did their jobs brilliantly. We mourn seven heroes: DICK SCOBEE - RONALD McNAIR - MICHAEL SMITH - GREGORY JARVIS - JUDITH RESNIK- ELLISON ONIZUKA - CHRISTA McAULIFFE We mourn their loss as a nation together. The families of the seven we cannot bear as you do the full impact of this tragedy but we feel the loss and we are thinking about you so very much. Your loved ones were daring and brave and they had that special grace - that special spirit that says: 'Give me a c h a l l e n g e and I'll meet it with joy'. They had a hunger to explore the universe and discover its truth, they wished to serve and they did - they served all of us.We've grown used to wonders in this century - it's hard to bedevil us - but the 25 years the US space program has been doing just that; we've grown used to the idea of space and perhaps we forget that we've only just begun - we are still pioneers. They, these members of the CHALLENGER crew were pioneers and I want to say something to the school children of America who were watching the life coverage of this shuttle's take-off: I know it's hard to understand but sometimes painful things like this happen; it's all part of the process of exploration and discovery; it's all part of taking a chance and expanding men's horizons.The future doesn't belong to the faint-hearted - it belongs to the brave. The CHALLENGER crew was pulling us into the future and we'll continue to follow them. I'd always had great faith in and respect for our space program and what happened today does nothing to diminish it. We don't hide our space program, we don't keep secrets and cover things up - we do it all up front and in public and that's the way freedom is and we wouldn't change it for a minute. We'll continue our quest in space, there'll be more shuttle flights and more shuttle crews and, yes, more volunteers, more civilians, more teachers in space. Nothing ends here - our hopes and our journeys continue. I want to add that I wish I could talk to every man and woman who works for NASA or who worked on this mission and tell them: Your dedication and professionalism has moved and impressed us for decades and we know of your anguish - we share it. There is a coincidence today that this year 390 years ago, the great explorer Sir Francis Drake, died aboard ship off the coast of Panama; in his lifetime the great frontiers were the oceans and the story later said he lived by the sea, died on it and was buried in it. We today, we can say of the CHALLENGER crew, there dedication was like Drake's: complete! The crew of the space shuttle CHALLENGER honored us for the manner in which they lived their lives. We'll never forget them nor the last time we saw them - this morning - as they prepared for their journey and waved good-bye and slipped the serving bonds(?) of Earth to touch the face of God ... Thank you! __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Remembering Challenger and Columbia
Hi Bernd and list I wish to join those who feel a loss in this tragic event. Like those before them, these 7 were among those who trained for a long time to have this job. And like the test pilots who put their lives on the line every day to further our knowledge and improve our technology, they went into this full aware of the chances for loss of life. Doesn't make it any easier to live with or understand. I have followed our space program since the earliest days. Not understanding, but thrilled at watching the Mercury launches, then the Gemini and the Apollo missions. Watching Walter Chronkite's 21st Century and his coverage of missions was a must event for me. I've grown up watching these brave people risk it all, and watched some die. I can only hope that those in the places to make the choices, choose the best options, not the 6th or 7th best because of cost. Find ways to learn from this and improve, and don't spare cost, our research facilities use the best equipment around, why should our test pilots and space crews settle for anything less. My thoughts go out to the families and wish them to smile proudly for these brave 7 were doing what they wanted to do. Mark --- Bernd Pauli HD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark Miconi wrote: God Speed to our fallen heros, they gave their lives in a most noble cause, fully aware that the danger exists long before they stepped aboard. S H U T T L E T R A G E D Y - Jan 28, 1986 Ronald Reagan's Address To The Nation After The Shuttle Tragedy: Ladies and gentlemen, I've planned to speak to you tonight to report on the state of the Union but the events of earlier today have led me to change those plans. Today is a day for mournings and remembering. Nancy and I have pain to the core over the tragedy of the shuttle CHALLENGER. You know we share this pain with all the people of our country. This is truly a national loss. Nineteen years ago almost to the day we lost 3 astronauts in a terrible accident on the ground but we've never lost an astronaut in flight. We've never had a tragedy like this and perhaps we have forgotten the courage it took for the crew of the shuttle but they - these CHALLENGER seven - were aware of the dangers and overcame them and did their jobs brilliantly. We mourn seven heroes: DICK SCOBEE - RONALD McNAIR - MICHAEL SMITH - GREGORY JARVIS - JUDITH RESNIK- ELLISON ONIZUKA - CHRISTA McAULIFFE We mourn their loss as a nation together. The families of the seven we cannot bear as you do the full impact of this tragedy but we feel the loss and we are thinking about you so very much. Your loved ones were daring and brave and they had that special grace - that special spirit that says: 'Give me a c h a l l e n g e and I'll meet it with joy'. They had a hunger to explore the universe and discover its truth, they wished to serve and they did - they served all of us.We've grown used to wonders in this century - it's hard to bedevil us - but the 25 years the US space program has been doing just that; we've grown used to the idea of space and perhaps we forget that we've only just begun - we are still pioneers. They, these members of the CHALLENGER crew were pioneers and I want to say something to the school children of America who were watching the life coverage of this shuttle's take-off: I know it's hard to understand but sometimes painful things like this happen; it's all part of the process of exploration and discovery; it's all part of taking a chance and expanding men's horizons.The future doesn't belong to the faint-hearted - it belongs to the brave. The CHALLENGER crew was pulling us into the future and we'll continue to follow them. I'd always had great faith in and respect for our space program and what happened today does nothing to diminish it. We don't hide our space program, we don't keep secrets and cover things up - we do it all up front and in public and that's the way freedom is and we wouldn't change it for a minute. We'll continue our quest in space, there'll be more shuttle flights and more shuttle crews and, yes, more volunteers, more civilians, more teachers in space. Nothing ends here - our hopes and our journeys continue. I want to add that I wish I could talk to every man and woman who works for NASA or who worked on this mission and tell them: Your dedication and professionalism has moved and impressed us for decades and we know of your anguish - we share it. There is a coincidence today that this year 390 years ago, the great explorer Sir Francis Drake, died aboard ship off the coast of Panama; in his lifetime the great frontiers were the oceans and the story later said he lived by the sea, died on it and was buried in it. We today, we can say of the CHALLENGER crew, there dedication was like Drake's: complete! The crew of the space shuttle CHALLENGER honored us for the manner in which they
[meteorite-list] Susupending meteorite list for a while
Hi all - Regreatfully, I must suspend meteorite list for a while. Anyone wishing to contact me on anything of importance please contact me via private e-mail. I hope to be able to rejoin this most interesting list soon. ep __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Space Shuttle Columbia Explosion...
Mark, First let me say I respect, but totally disagree with your stated opinion. Throughout the history of mankind, including our very first ancestors, if they had not had the courage, drive and or curiosity to venture into the unknown, we would not be where we are today. The STS-107 astronauts, more than any one else, knew the dangers represented in each flight. They know them, confront them as best as possible, and fly knowing that all that can be done regarding safety has been done. THERE WILL NEVER BE A TOTALLY SAFE WAY TO ENTER AND RETURN FROM SPACENEVER. Escape systems to operate at 39 miles altitude and 12,500 MPH just aren't feasible, period. Consider Mark the number of airline crashes and resultant fatalities that have occurred since Challenger on 1/28/86; consider the number of crashes and fatalities that have occurred in vehicles. By comparison the shuttles have a pretty impressive record of safety and reliability. Whatever happened on Columbia will probably be pinpointed (I hope enough telemetry, photographic evidence and relevant debris can be found to aid in the inquiry), analyzed and corrected so that the Discovery, Endeavour and Atlantis can fly once more. Mark, the destiny of humanity will be determined ultimately in our ability to live, work, populate and inhabit space. The only way the human race will be assured of survival is to send representatives to the other planets of the solar system and beyond. We on this List know of the dangers and consequences of impacts. The ONLY way to protect ourselves against the catastrophic effects of a Chicxulub event is to learn all we can about the adversary AND populate other worlds. We can't do that from the comfort and safety of our observatories and unmanned spacecraft - we have to fly into space. I will admit that NASA needs to go beyond the space shuttle and low Earth orbit. We need a replacement for the shuttle fleet and need to be going to the Moon and Mars. But this is more of a political challenge than a technical one. No bucks, no Buck Rogers. I doubt that Congress has the will in these turbulent times to appropriate more money to NASA. The Viet Nam war forced the cancellation of three Apollo missions due to budget cuts (and the ho-hum attitude of the American public about going to the Moon again and again). Our current war footing will have the same effect as does the general attitude of the American public - many people did not even know a shuttle mission was ongoing. To close, when we stop exploring and pushing ourselves to understand the unknown we are taking the first steps towards our own oblivion. Evolution has a way of eradicating life forms that cannot adapt...without manned and unmanned exploration of space we will have taken the first steps towards that end. May God bless the STS-107 crew and their families. They went to space for all of us to try and make our world a better place through their scientific explorations. They represent the best and brightest in the human species. Greg Redfern IMCA #5781 www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mark Fox Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 10:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Space Shuttle Columbia Explosion... Feb. 1, 2003 Dear Meteorite Enthusiasts, I just listened to the news right after the post from Mr. John Gwilliam. This is just terrible!! Why must we keep sending people up there? Space travel, no matter how breathtaking and awesome, is still too hazardous and not well thought out yet. People's lives in space are at stake every minute, and there is still no good way for them to escape to earth when a fateful problem arises! It is at all comprehensible that a tiny meteoroid sent the shuttle to earth as a fireball? Sincerely, Mark Fox Newaygo, MI USA __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Atwater ice hole mystery
Hello Ron List, My original purpose when posting my first message on this subject was to see if there was any images available of this hole in Lake Tadd, and use this to compare with other incidents of such phenomena in the cold parts of the globe. To that I was partly sucessfull, as I got one picture by also posting this to a usenet newsgroup. And as I wrote there, the image is practically identical to images I have of a similar phenomenon in a lake here in Norway, where I live. I am therefore almost forced to conclude with the following: They were made by the same process! And since melting seems clearly to be out of the question here (I could go into why this is the case, if there is interest), then it follows that the Atwater case was not caused by melting. Although my intention was not to prove/disprove, neither discuss the Atwater case, this thread has turned into that. And since I was pulled into that, I read all the sources I have been able to find, and I must admit that I'm leaning more and more to the conclusion that a meteorite is of the more plausible explanations, in fact it is my prime suspect at the moment. Other facts going against melting: The Atwater hole was about 1 foot in diameter, the 3-4 feet size mentioned in some reports seems to refer to the dark area (melted snow) around the hole, probably a depression. So it is of a complete different size than the melting holes in Minnesota this year, which are _tens of meters_ in size. Remember also Atwater happened in 1999, there were not melting conditions in that year, I have not come across such reports. And the Atwater hole froze over very rapidly, so nothing points to continued melting conditions. You say that the police chief (Reed Schmidt) saying there 'was no signs of a crash impact'. I interpret his wording just to mean something like: 'There were no objects/pieces (of debris) lying on the surface adjacent to the hole, or clear signs of a crashing object, I see only a hole in the ice (with cracks)'. He keeps also saying to the press, in many newspaper articles, that he believed that something fell down there, and he wanted to find out what it was. Further he said:'The Tadd Lake is a mystery that demands further investigation and an answer'. One of the divers, Neil Brady, said to the press after the dive: 'If anything could fall in at a high velocity, I'm sure it could be buried down there. The bottom is soft, and you can only dig so deep'. Remember that in the Bjurbøle case they found it at 6-8 m depth in the mud. In the recent Shirokovskiy case it took them 47 years to find it down in the mud.. You also write that: 'Shortly after this hole was found, several more holes appeared, also bearing the same starburst-pattern. There were no reports of any sonic booms associated with these new holes'. These holes were not found on Lake Tadd, Atwater, but on lakes near Willmar (location of the foremost newspaper in this chase), Fingers Lake and others. These holes were smaller, I have myself seen hundreds of these in small areas on local lakes, they are made by snow pressing down on the ice while melting. Ice-formation specialist Charles Knight with the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colorado, said according to Star Tribune: 'Knight acknowledged that characteristics of the Atwater ice hole don't fit the usual pattern. The hole was much wider than those typically formed by snow pressure, which often measure no more than an inch. Moreover, it's unusual for holes to form this way in ice measuring 18 inches thick. I've never seen it with ice that thick, I wouldn't say it's impossible, but it would take a pretty special combination of circumstances, he said...' It seems to me in general, that not enough time and resources was put into the task of determining what was the cause of the hole, a meteorite or not. Neither seems (the available) scientific knowledge at he moment up to the task of determining what is the cause of this kind of hole. Admittedly quite an effort must be put into digging into the mud to many meters of depth, and not something one would expect of the Atwater community. Sad that no one else seems to have picked up this case. While writing this I hear about the sad fate of space-shuttle, I offer my condolences, Bjørn Sørheim At 18:29 31.01.03 -0800, you wrote: The Atwater hole could hardly have been made by melting since there was a 'beautiful starburst-pattern' of large cracks around it. There was also talk of a 'funnel' through the ice, that seemed to have been made by some object. Plus the rattling boom. Sorry, if I sound skeptical, but I originally posted to this list four years ago when this hole appeared in the Minnesota lake suggesting it may possibly be a meteorite. And the fact there was one eyewitness who heard sonic booms prior the hole's discovery made it very intriging. I'm also very open to the fact that meteorites can punch holes though frozen lakes. But in this
RE: [meteorite-list] Space Shuttle Columbia Explosion...
Hello Greg and List Never is a pretty strong word there Greg. And I think you missed the whole intent of the message. Which was to point out that the shuttle design was the 6th or 7th place design as far a the designs go. We lost one crew to human error and a design flaw which was KNOWN to be a possible problem. You need to study the facts. I never said there would be a totally safe means of space travel. I said that the shuttle was not the optimal design presented, just the one that the powers at the time thought they could get approved because of cost and time. No more, No less. You really need to back off and understand what was said. Mark --- Greg Redfern [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark, First let me say I respect, but totally disagree with your stated opinion. Throughout the history of mankind, including our very first ancestors, if they had not had the courage, drive and or curiosity to venture into the unknown, we would not be where we are today. The STS-107 astronauts, more than any one else, knew the dangers represented in each flight. They know them, confront them as best as possible, and fly knowing that all that can be done regarding safety has been done. THERE WILL NEVER BE A TOTALLY SAFE WAY TO ENTER AND RETURN FROM SPACENEVER. Escape systems to operate at 39 miles altitude and 12,500 MPH just aren't feasible, period. Consider Mark the number of airline crashes and resultant fatalities that have occurred since Challenger on 1/28/86; consider the number of crashes and fatalities that have occurred in vehicles. By comparison the shuttles have a pretty impressive record of safety and reliability. Whatever happened on Columbia will probably be pinpointed (I hope enough telemetry, photographic evidence and relevant debris can be found to aid in the inquiry), analyzed and corrected so that the Discovery, Endeavour and Atlantis can fly once more. Mark, the destiny of humanity will be determined ultimately in our ability to live, work, populate and inhabit space. The only way the human race will be assured of survival is to send representatives to the other planets of the solar system and beyond. We on this List know of the dangers and consequences of impacts. The ONLY way to protect ourselves against the catastrophic effects of a Chicxulub event is to learn all we can about the adversary AND populate other worlds. We can't do that from the comfort and safety of our observatories and unmanned spacecraft - we have to fly into space. I will admit that NASA needs to go beyond the space shuttle and low Earth orbit. We need a replacement for the shuttle fleet and need to be going to the Moon and Mars. But this is more of a political challenge than a technical one. No bucks, no Buck Rogers. I doubt that Congress has the will in these turbulent times to appropriate more money to NASA. The Viet Nam war forced the cancellation of three Apollo missions due to budget cuts (and the ho-hum attitude of the American public about going to the Moon again and again). Our current war footing will have the same effect as does the general attitude of the American public - many people did not even know a shuttle mission was ongoing. To close, when we stop exploring and pushing ourselves to understand the unknown we are taking the first steps towards our own oblivion. Evolution has a way of eradicating life forms that cannot adapt...without manned and unmanned exploration of space we will have taken the first steps towards that end. May God bless the STS-107 crew and their families. They went to space for all of us to try and make our world a better place through their scientific explorations. They represent the best and brightest in the human species. Greg Redfern IMCA #5781 www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mark Fox Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 10:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Space Shuttle Columbia Explosion... Feb. 1, 2003 Dear Meteorite Enthusiasts, I just listened to the news right after the post from Mr. John Gwilliam. This is just terrible!! Why must we keep sending people up there? Space travel, no matter how breathtaking and awesome, is still too hazardous and not well thought out yet. People's lives in space are at stake every minute, and there is still no good way for them to escape to earth when a fateful problem arises! It is at all comprehensible that a tiny meteoroid sent the shuttle to earth as a fireball? Sincerely, Mark Fox Newaygo, MI USA __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[meteorite-list] Columbia disaster
Dear all, Maybe it is of -topic, but then, so be it. I, as several other list members already posting on the subject, am sad of what happened just a few hours ago, and want to express that sadness. Coming out of our faculty building and redelivering the keys to the guard in the main building this afternoon, I was informed of the new tragic disaster with space shuttle Columbia. At the guards' desk, I watched tv for a moment, showing video footage of a fragmenting fireball. A thought struck me, and perhaps some of you on this list experienced the same: I realized that normally, such footage of a fragmenting fireball would make me, and all of you, wildly enthousiast. Had it just been a meteoric fireball. But not this time. This time, it was not a space rock being deliverd to earth, but seven people meeting their death up there. This was the first sickening, instead of exciting, fireball video. Two tragic accidents in about 20 years of space shuttle flying perhaps is not much, and almost every month there's a plane crash somewhere which has more death involved, and the grimm reality is that we got used to that and usually hardly think it over. Yet, somehow, that realization does not diminish my feeling that this new space shuttle disaster is something with an extremely tragic aspect. Of course, it isn't different, as a plane crash is as tragic as a shuttle explosion. Still this new shuttle disaster makes me unusually sad and mournfull. My thoughts are with all people affected; the astronauts' family, friends, and the people of the space shuttle programm. In answer to Mark Fox: should manned space exploration stop? I don't think so. It is inevitable that there will be victims from time to time. It has always been part of our human urge for exploration; it is not peculiar to space exploration as such. It has always been part of life that people die, sometimes too early, sometimes very tragic; it has always been part of life that people die when trying to reach a particular goal they set themselves. I think the best tribute to those who died, is to continue the effort for which they gave their lifes. Otherwise, their death really would have been unneccesary. Stopping manned space flight, would mean they died in vain. That is my opinion. - Marco -- Drs Marco Langbroek [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.wanadoo.nl/marco.langbroek What seest thou else In the dark backward and abysm of time? William Shakespeare The Tempest act I scene 2 -- __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Columbia disaster
Dear List; I too, am very saddened by this mornings events. Watching Buzz Aldrin read the little one line poem and then choke up was very moving. To paraphrase (my memory isn't what it used to be) ...riding a fire ball to heaven.a much more glorious way to depart this life than going by the flu, or in a car accident, or any other mundane and lingering methods of slipping the serving bonds of Earth to touch the face of God. God love us all so much that we all may go out with passion in our lives, doing what we love and doing what need to be done. There will be a point when dying of old age, in my sleep is not on my preferred list of alternatives. God speed Columbia, Dave Freeman Marco Langbroek wrote: Dear all, Maybe it is of -topic, but then, so be it. I, as several other list members already posting on the subject, am sad of what happened just a few hours ago, and want to express that sadness. Coming out of our faculty building and redelivering the keys to the guard in the main building this afternoon, I was informed of the new tragic disaster with space shuttle Columbia. At the guards' desk, I watched tv for a moment, showing video footage of a fragmenting fireball. A thought struck me, and perhaps some of you on this list experienced the same: I realized that normally, such footage of a fragmenting fireball would make me, and all of you, wildly enthousiast. Had it just been a meteoric fireball. But not this time. This time, it was not a space rock being deliverd to earth, but seven people meeting their death up there. This was the first sickening, instead of exciting, fireball video. Two tragic accidents in about 20 years of space shuttle flying perhaps is not much, and almost every month there's a plane crash somewhere which has more death involved, and the grimm reality is that we got used to that and usually hardly think it over. Yet, somehow, that realization does not diminish my feeling that this new space shuttle disaster is something with an extremely tragic aspect. Of course, it isn't different, as a plane crash is as tragic as a shuttle explosion. Still this new shuttle disaster makes me unusually sad and mournfull. My thoughts are with all people affected; the astronauts' family, friends, and the people of the space shuttle programm. In answer to Mark Fox: should manned space exploration stop? I don't think so. It is inevitable that there will be victims from time to time. It has always been part of our human urge for exploration; it is not peculiar to space exploration as such. It has always been part of life that people die, sometimes too early, sometimes very tragic; it has always been part of life that people die when trying to reach a particular goal they set themselves. I think the best tribute to those who died, is to continue the effort for which they gave their lifes. Otherwise, their death really would have been unneccesary. Stopping manned space flight, would mean they died in vain. That is my opinion. - Marco -- Drs Marco Langbroek [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.wanadoo.nl/marco.langbroek What seest thou else In the dark backward and abysm of time? William Shakespeare The Tempest act I scene 2 -- __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Statement By NASA Administrator Sean O'Keefe
Robert Mirelson Headquarters, WashingtonFeb. 1, 2003 (Phone: 202/358-1600) 4 p.m. EST RELEASE: 03-032 STATEMENT BY NASA ADMINISTRATOR SEAN O'KEEFE This is indeed a tragic day for the NASA family, for the families of the astronauts who flew on STS-107, and likewise is tragic for the Nation. Immediately upon indication of a loss of communications from STS-107, at a little after 9:00 a.m. this morning, we began our contingency plan to preserve all the information relative to the flight activities. I immediately advised the President and the Secretary of Homeland Security, Tom Ridge, at the point after landing was due to have occurred at 9:16 a.m., and spoke to them very briefly to advise them that we had lost contact with the Shuttle orbiter, Columbia, and STS-107 crew. They offered, the President specifically offered, full and immediate support to determine the appropriate steps to be taken. We then spent the next hour and a half working through the details and information of what we have received and Bill Readdy, Associate Administrator for the NASA Office of Space Flight, will walk you through the specifics of those operational and technical issues. We met with the family members of the astronauts who were here at the Kennedy Space Center and are soon to be departing back to the Johnson Space Center in Houston. The President has called and spoken to the family members to express our deepest national regrets. We have assured them that we will begin the process immediately to recover their loved ones and understand the cause of this tragedy. We have no indication that the mishap was caused by anything or anyone on the ground. We assembled a Mishap Investigation Team at a point past the stage that the orbiter was to have landed here at Kennedy Space Center a little after 9:30. That team, in turn, is coordinating on a regular basis on all the facts that are pertaining to this from the Johnson Space Center with help from a Rapid Response Team from here at the Kennedy Space Center, as well participants from the Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Alabama. In addition to these internal efforts, we have appointed a Mishap Investigation Board, an external group of people who are independent from NASA who will be charged with the responsibility to look at all the information that was immediately locked down right after the absence of communications. Each of these individuals are Safety and Mission Assurance related officials in other departments of the Federal government, from the Air Force, the Navy, the Department of Transportation, and across the federal expanse. This Investigation Team will be chaired by an individual who is external to the federal agencies and will have the responsibility to coordinate all the information from an external view. So we'll be conducting both the internal activity as well as the external review immediately to ascertain the causes and circumstances under which this tragedy occurred. We have pulled together all the federal agencies and local governments as well. I have been in discussion several times this morning with Secretary Tom Ridge. The effort is under way to coordinate an understanding of exactly where the orbiter path had taken it from West Texas towards the Kennedy Space Center here in Florida and to make sure that the material on the ground is secured so that the investigation can begin promptly. We would urge people who believe they have found any material to stay away from it and to please contact local officials. The local first responder groups for emergency services have been authorized and directed by Secretary Tom Ridge to assist in any way. The Federal Emergency Management Agency is coordinating that effort on behalf of the Department of Homeland Security. I was here this morning with the families of the astronauts and their friends. It started out as a pretty happy morning, as we awaited the landing of STS-107. We had highly anticipated their return because we couldn't wait to congratulate them for their extraordinary performance and their excellent effort on this very important science mission. They dedicated their lives to pushing scientific challenges for all of us here on Earth. They dedicated themselves to that objective and did it with a happy heart, willingly and with great enthusiasm. The loss of this valued crew is something we will never be able to get over. We have assured the families that we will do everything, everything we can possibly do to guarantee that we work our way through this horrific tragedy. We ask the members of the media to honor that too. Please respect their privacy and please understand the tragedy that they are going through at this time. We will help the media assure that this will be the case as well. We trust the prayers of the Nation will be with them and with their families. A more
Re: [meteorite-list] BRECCIA
Dear Mohamed, again you are showing us some nice and professional pics of some breccia. But sorry, Mate, even I can see from the pics, thats no meteorite at all. Your FLOW LINES are just weathering grooves in the limestone inclusion. I envy your enthusiasm and your endeavour to find your own meteorite. But please, please for once follow one of all the good hints you have been given over the long periode of time, get yourself a good book on meteorites or just compare your meteowrongs with real meteorites displayed every day at eBay or at the numerous websites on the net. It sure would be much more beneficial for the list if you would share your photographic experience with us, here (and only here yet) you are a champ. I still wish you good luck in your endeavours, and I am sure that one day you may just pick up a rock and with the luck of the unsuspecting it could be a meteorite. -- Best_regards Best regards from DOWN-UNDER, Norbert Heike Kammel ROCKS ON FIRE IMCA #3420 www.rocksonfire.com M Yousef wrote: Dear List; First we regret to hear news about the space shuttle, we express our deep sorrow for this horrible accident that remind us with Challenger. Back to my rocks and I suppose this is the last update of mu hunts because my holiday is over (you will be happy I know!). I wonder if you still have any doubt that this nice rock here: http://www.alifyaa.com/meteorite/pl9/ is (luner or not) breccia. Please check it out and send me your comments. Please notice the FLOW LINES in one part of this rock is identical to what I showed you before here: http://www.alifyaa.com/meteorite/fl/ It seems to me that these latter rocks are from the original meteor that made the breccia. Sincerely Mohamed H. Yousef -- _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Off Topic - Fitting poem for STS-107
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[meteorite-list] OT: eBay Does Notice
Dear List, Within four hours of the loss of Columbia, there were auctions on eBay for pieces of recovered debris from the downed shuttle, a gruesome and criminal prospect: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3205211710category=413 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3205221062category=13904 However, for those critical of eBay management, let it be said that these auctions were cancelled by eBay itself within minutes. They do know what's going on. These sellers can now go back to prying the gold fillings out of the mouths of the newly deceased or whatever it is they do in their regular line of work. Sterling K. Webb __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NASA Asks For Help With Columbia Investigation
Robert Mirelson Headquarters, Washington Feb. 1, 2003 (Phone: 202/358-1600) 5 p.m. EST Eileen Hawley Johnson Space Center, Houston (Phone: 281-483-5111) RELEASE: 03-033 NASA ASKS FOR HELP WITH COLUMBIA INVESTIGATION NASA has established a telephone hotline and electronic mail address for the public to use for reporting information that may help investigators studying today's Space Shuttle mishap. Anyone who discovers debris from the accident or who has film or video evidence that may be of value to the investigation team is urged to use these contacts. Please avoid contact with any debris, because it may be hazardous as a result of toxic propellants aboard the Shuttle. Telephone reports should be directed to the following number: 281/483-3388 Text reports and images should be e-mailed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The e-mail address is: [EMAIL PROTECTED] All debris is U.S. Government property and is critical to the investigation of the mishap. All debris from the accident is to be left alone and reported to Government authorities. Unauthorized persons found in possession of accident debris will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. -end- __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Tucson meteorites, Wiluna
Hi again from sunny Tucson. We are in mourning here at the show. But, the show goes on. I am announcing some more Tucson specials here. I was lucky to see a box unpacked today from Wiluna Australia. Wiluna is a fall from Western Australia September 2, 1967. 150 kilos of small stones rained down. Despite this, not much is held privately. The stash today came from an old man in Wiluna who recovered it when it fell. I have the following pieces available. 100% fresh black fusion crusted stones. 201 grams $1000.00 74 grams $370.00 26 grams $130 34 grams $170.00 23 grams $115,00 39 grams $195.00. These areperfect stones, VERY black nice shapes. Please email ASAP if you want these. On another note, this is the 47th anniversary of the ShirokovskyPallasite fall. I have a few more pieces today, small ones, so email me requests and I can try to fill themtonight. Mike Farmer
[meteorite-list] Body Remains Found In Hemphill, Texas
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/breaking_news/5083301.htm Shuttle Debris Found in Texas, Louisiana PAM EASTON Associated Press February 1, 2003 NACOGDOCHES, Texas - Debris rained down Saturday over hundreds of square miles of Texas and Louisiana, smashing a rooftop, splashing into a reservoir and sending emergency crews on a far-flung hunt for bits of what was once space shuttle Columbia. Across the city of Nacogdoches and the surrounding region of pine forest, residents found chunks of debris. A small tank rested on a runway. A steel rod with silver bolts was roped off behind yellow police tape in a yard. A piece of metal rested in a bank parking lot. Authorities urged the public to report any debris but not touch it for fear of contamination from toxic substances. The Army sent in helicopters and soldiers to locate and guard bits of wreckage, which could be pivotal in determining the cause of the disaster. In Hemphill, near the Louisiana state line, hospital employee Mike Gibbs reported finding what appeared to be a charred torso, thigh bone and skull on a rural road near what was believed to be other debris. Billy Smith, a Texas Department of Public Safety spokesman, confirmed the find. The Columbia broke apart in flames 200,000 feet over Texas, killing all seven astronauts just minutes before they were to glide to a landing in Florida. Debris has been tracked in a 500-square-mile area but could be spread over a region three times that, said James Crow, director of the Emergency Geospacial Mapping Center at Stephen F. Austin State University in Nacogdoches. As authorities rushed to secure pieces of the shuttle, residents gathered to get a glimpse. Everybody's treating this like it's an alien crash, said Phillip Russell, 17. Jim Stutzman of Nacogdoches - 135 miles northeast of Houston - found a 9-inch long, 2-inch wide piece of metal in his yard. It has heat burns, melted metal and some of the grass burned into it when it fell, he said. Jeff Hancock, a 29-year-old dentist, said a foot-long metal bracket smashed through the roof of his office. It's all over, said James Milford, owner of Milford Barber shop in downtown Nacogdoches. There are several little pieces, some parts of machinery. Dozens of residents gathered in front of Rice High School, about 40 miles southeast of Dallas, to look at what appeared to be a charred piece of tile from the space shuttle. The area around the piece was blocked off with tape. It's just kind of an event that doesn't happen every day, said Rhonda Martin, 32, of Kemp. It's going to go down in history. Martin held her toddler son while her husband took photos. Behind a bank in Nacogdoches, flowers were laid out - including seven pink roses - in a makeshift memorial as residents gathered around a taped off area that contained a 3-by-3 piece of metal. Ed Rohner, Nacogdoches airport manager, said some type of tank ended up on a runway, and debris was scattered along the airport entrance road. Cherokee County Sheriff James Campbell said debris was reported to have fallen around the towns of Jacksonville, Palestine, Rusk and Athens in east Texas. We've had people bring pieces of it up here to the office, he said. We certainly want to discourage that. Debris also scattered in western Louisiana, including some pieces that reportedly dropped into Toledo Bend reservoir on the Texas border, threatening water supplies. I heard the piece coming down through the air. It sounded like it was fluttering, said Elbie Bradley, 69, who was fishing on reservoir. Two F-16s from the Naval Air Station Joint Reserve Base in Fort Worth were dispatched to Tyler to map the debris field. Helicopters and soldiers from Fort Hood in central Texas were also dispatched, a spokesman said. Members of the National Guard were protecting the debris. Authorities ordered people to stay 100 yards away from the debris because of contamination fears. However, a number of Nacogdoches residents were picking up pieces and turning them in to law enforcement officers. G.W. Jones, assistant administrator at Nacogdoches Memorial Hospital, said 27 people had come to the hospital seeking information after touching pieces of debris. He had no reports of any adverse effects so far. We're telling them to just wash their hands and any other body parts that may have come in contact with the debris, Jones said. The first thing is not to touch it. If they do, they should contact their local ER or family doctor for any follow up. Shuttles have long used a chemical called hydrazine to run their auxiliary power units. Hydrazine, a colorless liquid with an ammonia-like odor, is a toxic chemical and can cause harm to anyone who contacts it. Much of the area where debris has been reported lies in the Piney Woods timber region of east Texas, which is rugged and densely wooded in places. The Texas Forest Service was helping local officials plot
Re: [meteorite-list] OT: eBay Does Notice
Hi Sterling, Thanks very much for the info. I was afraid of this but I am glad ebay is doing the right thing. -Walter Walter Branch, Ph.D. 322 Stephenson Ave., Suite B Savannah, GA 31405 www.branchmeteorites.com - Original Message - From: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 5:37 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] OT: eBay Does Notice Dear List, Within four hours of the loss of Columbia, there were auctions on eBay for pieces of recovered debris from the downed shuttle, a gruesome and criminal prospect: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3205211710category=413 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3205221062category=1390 4 However, for those critical of eBay management, let it be said that these auctions were cancelled by eBay itself within minutes. They do know what's going on. These sellers can now go back to prying the gold fillings out of the mouths of the newly deceased or whatever it is they do in their regular line of work. Sterling K. Webb __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT: eBay Does Notice
Hi Sterling and List, I think I spoke too soon. Although legal on ebay you have to wonder about the morals of someone who lists dozens of auctions, starting today, with the phrase, You should BUY IT NOW, to get the item quicker after this tragic loss. Another person has dozen of auctions with the text, You should BUY NOW, as this sale will undoubtedly be ended promptly by eBay. I also note over 1200 items on ebay related to the Shuttle Columbia, most started today. You really have to wonder about about some peoples ethical values. -Walter Walter Branch, Ph.D. 322 Stephenson Ave., Suite B Savannah, GA 31405 www.branchmeteorites.com - Original Message - From: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 5:37 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] OT: eBay Does Notice Dear List, Within four hours of the loss of Columbia, there were auctions on eBay for pieces of recovered debris from the downed shuttle, a gruesome and criminal prospect: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3205211710category=413 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3205221062category=1390 4 However, for those critical of eBay management, let it be said that these auctions were cancelled by eBay itself within minutes. They do know what's going on. These sellers can now go back to prying the gold fillings out of the mouths of the newly deceased or whatever it is they do in their regular line of work. Sterling K. Webb __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Caltech Astronomer Saw Shuttle Apparently in Trouble Over California
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/scitech/DailyNews/shuttle_astronomer030201.html Astronomer Spots Trouble Astronomer Saw Shuttle Apparently in Trouble Over California By John Antczak The Associated Press February 1, 2003 Los Angeles - Space shuttle Columbia appeared to begin trailing fiery debris as it passed over Eastern California early today, well before its destruction over Texas, according to a California Institute of Technology astronomer who witnessed its fiery transit. Anthony Beasley observed the shuttle's re-entry from outside his home in Bishop, Calif., near Caltech's Owens Valley Radio Observatory, where he is project manager of the Combined Array for Research in Millimeter-wave Astronomy. As it tracked from west to east over the Owens Valley it was leaving a bright trail. As it actually moved over the valley there were a couple of flashes ... Then we could see there were things clearly trailing the orbiter subsequent to that, Beasley said. Shuttle Was Clearly Visible Beasley said he, his wife, Anne, and mother-in-law, Anne Finley, had gone outside in the early morning darkness to watch the re-entry from the small town 225 miles north of Los Angeles. He said the sky was clear and dark, and the shuttle was immediately visible when it cleared the Sierra Nevada peaks to the west of Bishop. He said he had never witnessed a shuttle re-entry before and is not an authority on shuttles, but he immediately thought Columbia was having problems. In particular, there was one very clear event where there was a piece that backed off the orbiter ... It was giving off its own light, then it slowly fell from visibility, he said. Loss of Tiles? Beasley said he thought the shuttle might be losing some of the heat-resistant tiles that protect it during the fiery re-entry. He said he did not learn of the shuttle's destruction until he went to the observatory and compared notes with two news photographers who had arranged to photograph the re-entry through a telescope. Beasley said they compared notes and all agreed they had seen what he termed the bright event, the third event. The analogy, I think, is it looked like the shuttle dropped a flare, he said. He described the scene again: Pretty soon after we started to see it track there were brief flashes of light. It would sort of flash a little bit and there was an indication of material trailing the orbiter. They would sort of disappear from view. ...That happened two or three times. One of these was very bright. It was a very clear thing. It separated itself from where the orbiter is. It sort of fell behind in the trail and it was burning itself. It was hot itself ... and then the orbiter continued heading toward Texas. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Seven Perish As Shuttle Breaks Up
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;$sessionid$I3JOJM0VERFHTQFIQMGCFF4AVCBQUIV0?xml=/news/2003/02/02/wshut02.xmlsSheet=/news/2003/02/02/ixnewstop.html Seven perish as Shuttle breaks up By Julian Coman The Telegraph (United Kingdom) February 2, 2003 America was plunged into mourning once more last night after the space Shuttle Columbia disintegrated over Texas during re-entry, killing all seven astronauts on board. Columbia lost contact with mission control at the Johnson Space Centre in Houston at 8am local time, 2pm in Britain, just 15 minutes before it was due to touch down at Cape Canaveral in Florida. Shortly before the final descent, a CNN television news presenter told viewers in Texas - President George W Bush's home state - to look out of their windows as they might see something rather cool. Instead, dramatic video footage showed the spacecraft breaking up more than 200,000ft over north-eastern Texas as it banked steeply on re-entering the atmosphere at 12,500 mph. Flaming like a comet, the single bright trail that marked the doomed Shuttle's progress exploded into a series of white streaks across the blue sky. The sonic boom left the ground shaking across Texas. It was like a car hitting a house, or an explosion. It shook that much, said John Ferolito, 60, of Carrolton, north of Dallas. Bob Multer of Palestine, a town 110 miles south-east of Dallas, said the noise was very similar to a tornado, it was very loud and intense - loud enough and low enough that it shook the building. Burning debris crashed to earth across northern Texas and Louisiana. Nasa warned people not to touch any wreckage, which would be highly toxic because of the spacecraft's propellants. Local reports in Texas said police had confirmed that a human arm and hand, with remnants of a Nasa uniform, had been found among debris near Nacogdoches. More human remains were found 100 miles to the west, in Jaspar. Only two of the seven astronauts had been in space before: the Shuttle's commander, Rick Husband, and Kalpana Chawla, an Indian-born mission specialist. The other five were William McCool, the pilot, Michael Anderson, David Brown, Laurel Clark and Ilan Ramon, the first Israeli in space. The wives, husbands and children of the astronauts - five men and two women - who had been waiting at the landing strip were ushered away seven minutes after the scheduled touchdown. Last night Grace Corrigan, whose daughter Christa McAuliffe died in the 1986 Challenger Shuttle disaster, wept as she said: I want to think of something of comfort to say to the families of those men and women but, the truth is, I can think of nothing. It is a terrible tragedy. The brother of Ms Chawla fought back tears as he remembered the young woman with whom he shared the dream to fly. Speaking from New Delhi, Sanjay Chawla said: She achieved everything I had always hoped to achieve. Now all those dreams are shattered. President Bush returned to the White House from his weekend retreat at Camp David, in Maryland, as his administration absorbed the latest blow to the American space programme. In the past week, Nasa observed the anniversary of its other space tragedies - the Challenger explosion, which killed all seven astronauts on January 28, 1986, and the Apollo spacecraft fire in which three died on January 27, 1967. Last night, in an address to the nation, Mr Bush said: In an age when space flight has come to seem almost routine, it is easy to overlook the dangers of travel by rocket. The same Creator who names the stars also knows the names of the seven souls we mourn today. The crew of the Shuttle Columbia did not return safely to Earth; yet we can pray that all are safely home. Security had been extraordinarily tight for Columbia's 16-day scientific research mission because the crew included Col Ramon. Space agency officials feared that the air force officer's presence might make the Shuttle more of a terrorist target. But senior government officials last night played down suggestions of terrorist involvement. One official said that no threat had been made against the flight and that the Shuttle's altitude at the time of the explosion - 207,000ft - was out of range of any surface-to-air weaponry. Attention switched instead to a catastrophic technical malfunction on Columbia, which made its first flight on April 12, 1981 and was the oldest in Nasa's fleet. Concerns had been raised during the launch on January 16 when close-up cameras showed debris from one of the fuel tanks striking the Shuttle's left wing. Nasa officials are thought to be investigating whether the falling piece of insulating foam pierced the heat shield around the wing, which bears the brunt of the intense temperatures as the Shuttle re-enters the atmosphere at more than six times the speed of sound. If the disaster was the result of catastrophic failure of the heat-resistant tiles, it is unlikely that the astronauts had any time to react. With all
Re: [meteorite-list] Caltech Astronomer Saw Shuttle Apparently in Trouble Over California
Hi, This may not be the smoking gun that it appears to be. It is usual for the hot ionized plasma that surrounds the shuttle to detach from the fireball surrounding the craft and trail back before cooling enough to go dark. The only way to distinguish between trailing plasma-balls and trailing debris is by the time each takes to go dark. A material object, like a tile, will continue to generate its own little fireball, and hence is bright much longer. Sterling K. Webb -- Ron Baalke wrote: http://abcnews.go.com/sections/scitech/DailyNews/shuttle_astronomer030201.html Astronomer Spots Trouble Astronomer Saw Shuttle Apparently in Trouble Over California By John Antczak The Associated Press February 1, 2003 Los Angeles - Space shuttle Columbia appeared to begin trailing fiery debris as it passed over Eastern California early today, well before its destruction over Texas, according to a California Institute of Technology astronomer who witnessed its fiery transit. Anthony Beasley observed the shuttle's re-entry from outside his home in Bishop, Calif., near Caltech's Owens Valley Radio Observatory, where he is project manager of the Combined Array for Research in Millimeter-wave Astronomy. As it tracked from west to east over the Owens Valley it was leaving a bright trail. As it actually moved over the valley there were a couple of flashes ... Then we could see there were things clearly trailing the orbiter subsequent to that, Beasley said. Shuttle Was Clearly Visible Beasley said he, his wife, Anne, and mother-in-law, Anne Finley, had gone outside in the early morning darkness to watch the re-entry from the small town 225 miles north of Los Angeles. He said the sky was clear and dark, and the shuttle was immediately visible when it cleared the Sierra Nevada peaks to the west of Bishop. He said he had never witnessed a shuttle re-entry before and is not an authority on shuttles, but he immediately thought Columbia was having problems. In particular, there was one very clear event where there was a piece that backed off the orbiter ... It was giving off its own light, then it slowly fell from visibility, he said. Loss of Tiles? Beasley said he thought the shuttle might be losing some of the heat-resistant tiles that protect it during the fiery re-entry. He said he did not learn of the shuttle's destruction until he went to the observatory and compared notes with two news photographers who had arranged to photograph the re-entry through a telescope. Beasley said they compared notes and all agreed they had seen what he termed the bright event, the third event. The analogy, I think, is it looked like the shuttle dropped a flare, he said. He described the scene again: Pretty soon after we started to see it track there were brief flashes of light. It would sort of flash a little bit and there was an indication of material trailing the orbiter. They would sort of disappear from view. ...That happened two or three times. One of these was very bright. It was a very clear thing. It separated itself from where the orbiter is. It sort of fell behind in the trail and it was burning itself. It was hot itself ... and then the orbiter continued heading toward Texas. __ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] BRECCIA
Wow, Mohammed. If only I had the wonderful photographic equipment and abundance of time to dedicate to meteorite hunting that you evidently have! That large inclusion in your stone is suspiciously reminiscent of brain coral. What a find! evidence of life from exospace? Remember what I said previously about your hunting grounds having once been at the bottom of an ancient sea? Your specimens are clear evidence of this. I'm learning on this list my friend. I'm paying very close attention...VERY CLOSE ATTENTION on how to recognize a meteorite. VERY CLOSE ATTENTION! Thanks for your condolences for our astronauts. Rand Kluge Dear List; First we regret to hear news about the space shuttle, we express our deep sorrow for this horrible accident that remind us with Challenger. Back to my rocks and I suppose this is the last update of mu hunts because my holiday is over (you will be happy I know!). I wonder if you still have any doubt that this nice rock here: http://www.alifyaa.com/meteorite/pl9/ is (luner or not) breccia. Please check it out and send me your comments. Please notice the FLOW LINES in one part of this rock is identical to what I showed you before here: http://www.alifyaa.com/meteorite/fl/ It seems to me that these latter rocks are from the original meteor that made the breccia. Sincerely Mohamed H. Yousef -- _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] OT: eBay Bidders TAKE ACTION YOU NEED TO SEE THIS!!!
This person is selling the same thing but I don't see them getting nailed. With the seller cadattack, it looks like the same person(s) is doing this. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3205272624category=13904 Jamie
Re: [meteorite-list] SAD: eBay Bidders TAKE ACTION YOU NEED TO SEE THIS!!!
Hi Jamie and List, Intererstingly, if one goes to Ebay and just put in the words: Columbia Shuttle there are now hundreds of BRAND NEW auctions all list on Feb. 1, including--one guy selling 500 In Memorium buttons with a pic of the shuttle crew, another selling tee-shirts with a picture of the shuttle and the date, 02/01/03 emblazened on the front, and quite a few selling pieces of old shuttle heat tile. Many other Columbia Shuttle auctions for coins, etc., pockmark Ebays bandwidth. So far they haven't been blasted by irate bidders as mentioned. Some of the seller are making wise decisions to add that some proceeds are going to families of this tragedy. It's a pretty sad sight. Whats even sadder is that probably some of the people who are bidding, probably could have cared less before today's events and are seeing this as a time to make that last minute macabre investment. My apologies to the list from deviating from the topic of meteorites---but this has been a profound historical day, albeit, a very sad day. Steven L. Sachs / IMCA # 9210 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] SAD: eBay Bidders TAKE ACTION YOU NEED TO SEE THIS!!!
Dear List, While the STS-107 crew represented the best of humanity, this tragic event has brought out the nadir of human characteristics. They are repugnant and worthy of all our scorn and ridicule. May they lose their shirts trying to propser from blood money. I hope the decent ebayers and ebay itself stick it to them in spades. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 12:36 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] SAD: eBay Bidders TAKE ACTION YOU NEED TO SEE THIS!!! Hi Jamie and List, Intererstingly, if one goes to Ebay and just put in the words: Columbia Shuttle there are now hundreds of BRAND NEW auctions all list on Feb. 1, including--one guy selling 500 In Memorium buttons with a pic of the shuttle crew, another selling tee-shirts with a picture of the shuttle and the date, 02/01/03 emblazened on the front, and quite a few selling pieces of old shuttle heat tile. Many other Columbia Shuttle auctions for coins, etc., pockmark Ebays bandwidth. So far they haven't been blasted by irate bidders as mentioned. Some of the seller are making wise decisions to add that some proceeds are going to families of this tragedy. It's a pretty sad sight. Whats even sadder is that probably some of the people who are bidding, probably could have cared less before today's events and are seeing this as a time to make that last minute macabre investment. My apologies to the list from deviating from the topic of meteorites---but this has been a profound historical day, albeit, a very sad day. Steven L. Sachs / IMCA # 9210 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
