[meteorite-list] Space Shuttle Columbia - A Tragic Day!

2003-02-02 Thread Jeff Kuyken



I too would like to echo the sentiments of others 
in the sorrow of losing Columbia. This mission has been closely followed by 
myself and all of Melbourne.Certainly close to our heart. One of our local 
Universities and High Schools were running an experiment during the mission on 
the effects of zero gravity on spiders.

The 7 astronauts of STS-107 will always be 
remembered for what they have given to the pursuit of human endeavour. May we 
all think of the famailies that have been left behind on this terrible 
day.

A sad and tragic day indeed,

Jeff KuykenI.M.C.A. #3085www.meteoritesaustralia.com


[meteorite-list] Mercury Meteorite? (ad)

2003-02-02 Thread Michael L Blood
Hi all,
I did not want to mention this on our day of mourning, so, have
waited past midnight - though no amount of waiting will bring back
what we have all lost.
In any event, regarding this remarkable material. a 4mg piece
was the last specimen entered into my auction that will appear in the
catalog. Lest you think 4mg is too small a piece with which to be
concerned, be advised that a TOTAL of only 57mg will EVER be in
private hands. The rest of the 40 grams of TKW of this remarkable
meteorite will stay forever in the two museums (in Russia and Japan)
in which  they now permanently reside. Therefore, this piece represents
over 7% of the privately held material. It is Lot #102 HB 33.
Since it JUST arrived, I will extend the deadline for absentee bids
to Sunday at midnight. So far the LL3.0 has gotten the most action
from absentee bidders, but I won't be surprised if this new addition
draws more than a few bids from the absentee crowd, as well.
Here's hoping one good thing can come from yesterday's tragedy-
perhaps our leaders will quadruple the NASA budget - maybe
if we ALL write our respective congressmen  senators
Best wishes to all, Michael



on 1/31/03 6:55 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Lang-Hupé Meteorites have joined forces to acquire the only
 available specimen of NWA 011. This ultra-rare eucrite-like achondrite was
 featured in an article by Shinji Inoue in the August 2002 issue of
 Meteorite magazine. In his article, Mr. Inoue quotes Dr. Herbert Palme
 who said Perhaps NWA 011 is a basalt from Mercury.
 
 The total known weight of this meteorite is only 40 grams

Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies.
  - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Worth Seeing:
-  Earth at night from satelite:
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- Interactive Lady Liberty:
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- Earth - variety of choices:
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Re: [meteorite-list] OT: eBay Does Notice

2003-02-02 Thread Charlie Devine
Walter, Sterling, and list,

Ebay may involve federal authorities in some of these auctions, while
more innocent examples will continue to run:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=30823

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[meteorite-list] Esterville ?????

2003-02-02 Thread PolandMET.com
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=3239item=2155738365;
rd=1

This can be a meteorite?

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Re: [meteorite-list] Esterville ?????

2003-02-02 Thread Michael Farmer
NO way. That is not Estherville. Too many vugs.
Mike Farmer
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=3239item=2155738365;
 rd=1

 This can be a meteorite?

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Re: [meteorite-list] Esterville ?????

2003-02-02 Thread Roman Jirasek
I agree with Mike, it's no Estherville that I have ever seen.
I hope the winner can get a refund.

Roman



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 NO way. That is not Estherville. Too many vugs.
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 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcate
gory=3239item=2155738365
  rd=1
 
  This can be a meteorite?
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Esterville ?????

2003-02-02 Thread Mark Miconi
Anyone have a good picture of REAL Esterville? someone should send a link
with a real picture to the seller maybe they would consider ending the
auction

Mark M.

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 NO way. That is not Estherville. Too many vugs.
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tp://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=3239item=2155738365
  rd=1
 
  This can be a meteorite?
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Esterville ?????

2003-02-02 Thread Mark Miconi
It does look awful close to Haags sample at:
http://www.meteoriteman.com/collection/esterville.htm

Vugs and all.

Mark M.
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 NO way. That is not Estherville. Too many vugs.
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tp://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=3239item=2155738365
  rd=1
 
  This can be a meteorite?
 
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[meteorite-list] test, sorry

2003-02-02 Thread Tom aka James Knudson




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Re: [meteorite-list] Esterville ?????

2003-02-02 Thread Michael Farmer
Bob's has only a couple of very small vugs. The photo in the auction is full
of large ones.
It is almost certainly a slag of some sort.
But we will likely never know.
Mike
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 It does look awful close to Haags sample at:
 http://www.meteoriteman.com/collection/esterville.htm

 Vugs and all.

 Mark M.
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  NO way. That is not Estherville. Too many vugs.
  Mike Farmer
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Re: [meteorite-list] Esterville ?????

2003-02-02 Thread Roman Jirasek
Hi Mark

There are no vugs in Estherville. See a close up in the 2003
meteorite calendar. Or check out Rob Elliot's web site. Or my
site:

www.meteoritelabels.com/Sale.html

Best regards,
Roman Jirasek


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 It does look awful close to Haags sample at:
 http://www.meteoriteman.com/collection/esterville.htm

 Vugs and all.

 Mark M.
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  NO way. That is not Estherville. Too many vugs.
  Mike Farmer
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Re: [meteorite-list] Caltech Astronomer Saw Shuttle Apparently in

2003-02-02 Thread Ron Baalke
 
 Hi,
 
 This may not be the smoking gun that it appears to be. It is usual for the
 hot ionized plasma that surrounds the shuttle to detach from the fireball
 surrounding the craft and trail back before cooling enough to go dark. The only way
 to distinguish between trailing plasma-balls and trailing debris is by the time
 each takes to go dark. A material object, like a tile, will continue to generate
 its own little fireball, and hence is bright much longer.

That may be, though when you look at the timeline of events, it starts to get
very interesting.  At the NASA press conference yesterday, the first 
sign of any anomaly in the telemetry from Columbia was at 8:53 AM EST, 
when they lost the data in the sensors in the left wing. Remember, loss 
of all communications with the shuttle occurred 9AM EST when it was over 
Texas.  The shuttle had started to pass 
over California, just north of San Francisco, at 8:51 AM EST. What the 
Caltech astronomer observed occurred very close to, or just prior to the 
sensors starting to go out on Columbia.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Esterville ?????

2003-02-02 Thread FERNLEA4
In a message dated 02/02/2003 17:06:53 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Anyone have a good picture of REAL Esterville?


yes, here's 3 pics of 3 different estherville slices.3.25kg, 3.3kg and 6.95kg.
the second pic shows the matrix best.

http://fernlea.tripod.com/estherville3k250.jpg

http://fernlea.tripod.com/estherville3k320.jpg

http://fernlea.tripod.com/estherville6k950.jpg

apologies for the bad typing.i broke a couple of bones in my left hand yesterday and this is as good as it gets for the moment.

rob.
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[meteorite-list] Big WOW

2003-02-02 Thread starharvest
In Kalpana Chawla's last words to the media, she described one of her big 
WOWs of being an astronaut.  She told about sitting next to a window of the 
space shuttle while looking down at our wonderful blue planet and it's swirling 
firmament of clouds.  Refocusing, she then saw her own reflection in the 
shuttle window.  Refocusing again, she saw the reflection of the earth in her 
own eyes.  This, she said,  was definitely a big WOW.   
Now, I've chosen to post this message to this list for various reasons. 
Firstly, I believe that the membership of our meteorite list is comprised of an 
extremely select group of highly intelligent human beings.  Your common 
interest in meteorites, vessels of information about our existence; about, 
perhaps, the very creation of the entire universe,... is an omen of a deeper 
appreciation and reverent respect for that which is greater than us all. (I 
don't even begin to comprehend it.) There is, however, a feeling I get about 
space, the stars, the planets, meteorites, and US...that sets my mind spinning 
as would the needle of a compass in a void. 
The beautiful dark eyes of Kalpana no longer exist, but I can't help believing 
that the memory of her big WOW is somehow remembered in a plane of existence 
beyond my comprehension. Yet I continue to try to understand, and as I do, a 
feeling for humanity floods over me which I can only describe aslove.  Rand 
Kluge

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[meteorite-list] Big WOW

2003-02-02 Thread Bernd Pauli HD
Rand deferentially and reverently wrote:

 The beautiful dark eyes of Kalpana no longer
 exist, but I can't help believing that the
 memory of her big WOW is somehow remembered
 in a plane of existence beyond my comprehension.
 Yet I continue to try to understand, and as I do,
 a feeling for humanity floods over me which I can
 only describe aslove.

Last night, in an address to the nation, Mr Bush said:

The same Creator who names the stars also knows the
names of the seven souls we mourn today. The crew of
the Shuttle Columbia did not return safely to Earth;
yet we can pray that all are safely  h o m e .

Bernd

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[meteorite-list] OT: Columbia and ebay

2003-02-02 Thread walter branch
Hello Everyone,

Sorry for the OT post again.  Anyone interested in
a special ebay auction in which someone vents their
anger at those profiting from the Columbia
accident, take a look at this one:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3205362503category=13904

-Walter


Walter Branch, Ph.D.
322 Stephenson Ave., Suite B
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Re: [meteorite-list] Caltech Astronomer Saw Shuttle Apparently in

2003-02-02 Thread Ron Baalke
At today's press conference, the Shuttle Program manager confirmed
that Columbia was over California at 8:53 AM EST when the sensors
in the left wing stopped working, which correlates to the time
the Caltech astronomer was observing the shuttle from the ground.
The Shuttle people have talked to the astronomer and say his
observations may be significent.

Ron Baalke

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[meteorite-list] any comments on this one?

2003-02-02 Thread David Hardy
Anyone want to take a guess at what this may be?  Not much hard info for
$10,000.


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2156930845category=3239

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Re: [meteorite-list] Esterville ?????

2003-02-02 Thread LabNEMS
Mark / Anyone interested:

I don't believe this to be a sample of the Estherville mesosiderite.

The metal distribution is wrong, the vugs are large and round while specimens
of Estherville display small (1 to 4mm) angular cavities and a bi-modal
distribution of metal.

Additionally please note the smooth, fine-grained matrix or groundmass of
the specimen in question.  Estherville's is coarser, granulated and not smooth.

The exterior surfaces of every piece of Estherville that I've ever seen
have small bits/blebs of exposed metal visible.

One Hallmark characteristic of Estherville is it's dark, 
gray-black-bluish exterior.
I see none of this in the hand-samples displayed.

I know that we're only working with images here but in my opinion
this specimen appears more like an igneous artifact than a meteorite.

Russ Kempton, NEMS
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Re: [meteorite-list] Esterville ?????

2003-02-02 Thread Gabriel De Kooker

I have something that's exactly the same that I use as a doorstop
and it is definitly a slag from some steel works.






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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=3239item=2155738365;
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This can be a meteorite?

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