[meteorite-list] Meteorite Contest, Denver, Chat Room
Hello Everybody, Sorry for the delay in this e-mail, it's been a busy week and month. I would like to thank everyone that submitted a name in the contest. The name I decided on was 'Rites Wrongs. Ann Hernandex and Maria Nelson both submitted the name 'Rite and Wrong, which I changed a little. The prize in this contest was two meteorite books, since two people submitted the name, I will give each one of the books and a little bonus. So of you may remember I mentioned that if you entered the contest I will send you a free Gold Basin postcard. One of the latest postcards I have made. Please send me your name and address and I will send out the postcard, the winners should also send me their addresses. Looking forward to the Denver show. Several list members are going to Denver this year for the first time and I think it will be a good overall turnout. I will be staying at the Radisson, Greystone Castle. It's about 12 miles from the Holiday Inn. The hotel has a really nice breakfast bar and I have invited a few people to join me for breakfast Saturday. If you are interested let me know. The breakfast is a little on the high side. I will be in Denver friday-sunday, e-mail may be delayed around this time. Chat room. As many of you have noticed I have removed the chat room from the site. I will have a new chat room with more control up and running shortly after Denver. I have removed the link to the chat room from my home page but will be using the same page, so if you have book marked the page, please save it. I would like to thank the many list members that visited the site often and hope to fill this gap soon for those that enjoyed it. I have added another section of my website. Free meteorite e-mail postcards. You choose the photo, enter the e-mail address you would like to send it to, message and click send. None of the information is saved (addresses or msg), so neither party will receive spam from doing this. See you in one week in Denver, Mark Bostick Wichita, KansasPlease visit, www.MeteoriteArticles.com, a free on-line archive of meteor and meteorite articles.
[meteorite-list] September MeteoriteTimes Is Up
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RE: [meteorite-list] Contacting E-Bay
This could help, but be prepared to wait forever I listed a few others that do meteorite auctions as well -Charlyv EBAY Company Phone Numbers eBay Corporate Offices: (408) 558-7400 (408) 558-7401 1-800-322-9266 1-888-749-3229 1-408-558-7400 1-408-376-6554 FAX Spokesperson: Kevin Pursglove, 408-558-7458 Hours: 7:30AM - 5:30PM PT M-F Employee's Extension: press 1 Dial by name directory: press 0 Customer Service: press 2 Operator: press 3 eBay's Billpoint (408) 376-7400 1-888-824-5576 (408) 376-4901 FAX (408) 626-4901 FAX Chargeback questions: (866) 600-4162 Account Service Manager: Walter Lintao Director of Customer Care: Leela Suppiah Half.com 1-800-545-9857 888-879-4253 ext 1 Spokesperson: Kristin Keyes, 610-680-4051 Hours: 800AM - 600PM EST Yahoo Inc. (408) 349-3300 (408) 616-3702 FAX Yahoo Auctions (408) 731-3300 (voice) (408) 731-3301 (fax) Yahoo's PayDirect (408) 731-3335 1-877-521-1458 Paypal 1-877-6-paypal (877) 672-9725 (866) 272-9725 (650) 251-1100 (402) 935-2000 (402) 935-2001 (402) 935-2062 (402) 935-7733 (402) 537-5740 FAX Help Center: (888) 221-1161 Craig, complaints resolution manager: (402) 935-2258 Premier Account Holders: (800) 836-1859 PayPal UK 0870 730 7191 Hours of operation: 12:00 noon - 6:00 A.M. (GMT/BST) Amazon Inc. Corporate: (206) 266-1000 Executive Offices: (206) 266-1000 Customer Support: 1-800-201-7575 Auction Pro: 1-877-251-0696 Company Addresses eBay San Jose: eBay Inc. 2145 Hamilton Ave. #350 San Jose, CA 95125 eBay Utah: eBay Inc. 173 West Election Road Draper, UT 84020 eBay UK: eBay (UK) Limited, 50 Victoria Embankment, London, EC4Y ODX eBay UK Billing: eBay UK Ltd., Unit 6, 6 Dukes Gate, Acton Lane, London W4 5DX Fax 0049 30801 96300 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Francis Graham Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 10:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Contacting E-Bay Dear List, I noticed many of you are in contact with E-bay about fraudulent meteorites. How do you contact E-bay directly? Do they have a real phone and physical postal address? I tried contacting them by e-mail about a security problem , but never could get a real person (as opposed to an autobot) response. I just would like to pick of the phone and discuss my very real security problem. It's in their best interest, too. I could also write a postal letter, if I knew their address, since certified mail usually gets a read. Francis Graham __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: New Asteroid Threat Seen (Asteroid 2003 QQ47)
No, no, no, no, no. Sorry, Pekka, but I must stand up now for my OTHER fraternal group, the Astronomical Community. It is not true that astronomers said an asteroid WOULD hit earth in the next ten years. They said that it MAY hit earth. A very big difference and not a subtle one either. Yet the press and the general public seems to be unable to grasp the difference. This is nothing AT ALL like a hoax! It is the simple presentation of facts to a public that has trouble reading an English sentence and extracting the plain, simple meaning. Every few years we see another Killer Asteroid story in the press. Each and every time a reputable astronomer said what was EXACTLY THE TRUTH, only to be misquoted and distorted by the media. I remember a particular instance that was perhaps 3 or 4 years ago. The orbital data indicated that in a few years the asteroid would pass particularly close to Earth. In fact, the uncertainty of the measurements to date placed Earth within the possible orbital path (i.e. collision was POSSIBLE). The press went nuts. Very soon thereafter, additional data was uncovered because the asteroid in question had been inadvertently imaged about 10 years earlier. With this additional data point the uncertainty of the orbit shrank and there was shown to be no possibility of collision. The astronomer was VILIFIED in the press for crying wolf, even though he had done no such thing. (It was the PRESS that cried wolf, but of course they wouldn't vilify themselves, would they?) What the astronomer did was exactly the correct thing to do. He published his PRELIMINARY results, and asked for more data. When more data became available, he re-worked the calculations and published updated orbital elements with more precise error bars. For this he was raked over the coals by newspaper reporters who wouldn't know an asteroid from their own. well, you get the idea. As former Assistant Director of a semi-public observatory, I have had a great deal of experience in dealing with the little brush fires created when a scientifically illiterate press tells astronomical stories to an even more scientifically illiterate general public. (No, sorry, Mars WILL NOT appear as big as the full Moon tonight !!) In fact, every time I read a story in the press about a subject that I know something about (Physics, Astronomy, Mathematics, Meteoritics) 80% of the time I find glaring factual errors. Which makes me very careful when I read a story about what's happening in places like Iraq... - Bob Martino, Tucson, AZ Can you really name a star? Read the Truth! http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/ . Message: 7 Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 20:23:43 +0300 From: Pekka Savolainen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: tracy latimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Asteroid Threat Seen (Asteroid 2003 QQ47) Hello, all, well, I have my own opinions about the british astronomers. Not an year ago they told, and asteroid will hit earth in next 10 years. At least one TV-channell here was ignorant enough to publish this. It´s not very nice to try to explain to your 8-years, that it´s just a hoax. NASA made a correction to aslo this next day. It´s sure, the press and the news (particulary british) will publish everything, if astro-somebody is willing to paint some global catastrophes. Think this is more serious problem than all hoaxes with meteorites and geo-somethings from the local high schools. So NASA and also others have a lot to do... So great work, Ron, thank you for that. take care, pekka __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] A few of all....
Hello all I have update my collection site with some important pieces type a gr.1 slice of NWA 1877, a nice 46.1 slice of Kainsaz and others http://www.mcomemeteorite.info Update the sale site http://www.mcomemeteorite.com At few hours some of my ebay auctions ended http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ Regards Matteo = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Re:New Asteroid Threat Seen (Asteroid 2003 QQ47)
Pekka, I happen to believe that the British media, generally reported the facts quite well, they were generally quick to add that there was only a [chance] of an impact (1 in 909,000 was widely quoted), and more would be known in the next few days. I never heard anyone say it was definite! I think they actually reported it how it was! They are right to report these potential dangers, (but I agree it might be better if the astronomers waited a few days until they knew further orbital data). (+ No need to insult the British the way you did!) Mark -Original Message- From: Pekka Savolainen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 03 September 2003 18:40 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re:New Asteroid Threat Seen (Asteroid 2003 QQ47) To give out false information is just a way to find great sensations, to wait a day and give the right information is ok. This case was just the same like an year ago from the british astronomers. Don´t wonder, 40% of british people belive in the consspiracy in the death of the princess of Wales. The line of NASA is a the correct way to inform about this possibility. I know, there has been bigger hits, and there will be bigger hits in the future. I live 4 kilometers from Suvasvesi impact-structure, and because of that also my kids know, there has been bigger hits and there will be bigger hits in the future. But the way press and news handled this item is just a way to get more sold and more watchers, this is immoral and makes only damage. take care, pekka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, the press likes to play up things quite a bit. However lets not shoot the messengers here just because we dont like the potential message. The truth is we are in a cosmic shooting gallery and have always been in one. There have been untold impacts on our world so it's not as strange or out of the ordinary as some may believe. Yes, people get used to hearing bad news then eventually blow it off, oh well? If a major impactor were headed our way what could your average Joe Shmoe do? Nothing so whether any of us choose to believe it or not the threat is there and will be there. The thing I dont understand is the rational of the world in dealing with this likely threat. We are now at a point in our technological development to deal with a credible threat if given enough time to do so. However it seems that its not worth it to the powers that be, that fighting amongst ourselves is more important than trying to avert the biggest threat to our world not our nation or our land, but our entire planet. Just my opinion, Ron -- Pekka SavolainenJokiharjuntie 4FIN-71330 RasalaFINLAND+ 358 400 818 912Group Home Page: http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/eurocoinGroup Email Address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[meteorite-list] Ebay shipping charges???
Hello List, Are we missing something? Mike farmer must be the worst, with his one dollar shipping Others charge two, three, four, some even five and six dollars. I was looking for a computer mouse for my daughter and almost fell of my chair seeing the shipping costs on these auctions! Six dollars was low for a computer mouse, nine, ten, twelve were normal and fifteen on the high side. One guy had eighteen ($18) shipping and a note saying if you don't like the shipping amount don't bid and don't ask me for to come down on the charge! All of these SH charges were for a single mouse. I am not talking about a few of the auctions, I am talking just about every one of them! Are we undercharging on our shipping or are they all trying to rip people off? Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: September MeteoriteTimes Is Up
Paul posted: MeteoriteTimes for September is up. Dear Listees: Do not miss the interview with List member Robert Matson (use the Meteorite People link) in the new edition of Meteorite Times. Excellent field photos of some impressive American discoveries by a *very* successful meteorite hunter with 65 finds to his credit (!!). Well done Robert (and Paul and Jim, of course). Regards, Geoff N. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay shipping charges???
Tom, you are missing nothing. High shipping charges are just another scam to rip people off and make some more profit. You should all note who does this. I see so many people charging $3.95 or $4 which is the priority rate in the USA and then sending first class for .50 cents! This is especially true with books. I have always tried to be as fair as possible with the $1 shipping on most small items. This is a simple charge, and sometimes it costs me a little less to send, sometimes more, but it works out for all of us and all of my customers are always very happy with that. Mike Farmer --- Tom aka James Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello List, Are we missing something? Mike farmer must be the worst, with his one dollar shipping Others charge two, three, four, some even five and six dollars. I was looking for a computer mouse for my daughter and almost fell of my chair seeing the shipping costs on these auctions! Six dollars was low for a computer mouse, nine, ten, twelve were normal and fifteen on the high side. One guy had eighteen ($18) shipping and a note saying if you don't like the shipping amount don't bid and don't ask me for to come down on the charge! All of these SH charges were for a single mouse. I am not talking about a few of the auctions, I am talking just about every one of them! Are we undercharging on our shipping or are they all trying to rip people off? Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re:New Asteroid Threat Seen (Asteroid 2003 QQ47)
Hello, Mark and others, to make critical, how to british media works, is not insulting, I have no need to insult anybody. But if the media works like a children, its dangerques to give this kind of toys to it. What I was wondering, was just that, this was the second time, when this circus started from the UK. take care, pekka s mark ford wrote: Pekka , I happen to believe that the British media, generally reported the facts quite well, they were generally quick to add that there was only a [chance] of an impact (1 in 909,000 was widely quoted), and more would be known in the next few days. I never heard anyone say it was definite! I think they actually reported it how it was! They are right to report these potential dangers, (but I agree it might be better if the astronomers waited a few days until they knew further orbital data). (+ No need to insult the British the way you did!) Mark -Original Message- From: Pekka Savolainen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Sent : 03 September 2003 18:40 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re:New Asteroid Threat Seen (Asteroid 2003 QQ47) To give out false information is just a way to find great "sensations", to wait a day and give the right information is ok. This case was just the same like an year ago from the british "astronomers". Dont wonder, 40% of british people belive in the consspiracy in the death of the princess of Wales . The line of NASA is a the correct way to inform about this possibility. I know, there has been bigger hits, and there will be bigger hits in the future. I live 4 kilometers from Suvasvesi impact-structure, and because of that also my kids know, there has been bigger hits and there will be bigger hits in the future. But the way press and news handled this item is just a way to get more sold and more watchers, this is immoral and makes only damage. take care, pekka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, the press likes to play up things quite a bit. However lets not shoot the messengers here just because we dont like the potential message. The truth is we are in a cosmic shooting gallery and have always been in one. There have been untold impacts on our world so it's not as strange or out of the ordinary as some may believe. Yes, people get used to hearing bad news then eventually blow it off, oh well? If a major impactor were headed our way what could your average Joe Shmoe do? Nothing so whether any of us choose to believe it or not the threat is there and will be there. The thing I dont understand is the rational of the world in dealing with this likely threat. We are now at a point in our technological development to deal with a credible threat if given enough time to do so. However it seems that its not worth it to the powers that be, that fighting amongst ourselves is more important than trying to avert the biggest threat to our world not our nation or our land, but our entire planet. Just my opinion, Ron -- Pekka Savolainen Jokiharjuntie 4 FIN-71330 Rasala FINLAND + 358 400 818 912 Group Home Page: http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/eurocoin Group Email Address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Pekka Savolainen Jokiharjuntie 4 FIN-71330 Rasala FINLAND + 358 400 818 912 Group Home Page: http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/eurocoin Group Email Address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: New Asteroid Threat Seen (Asteroid 2003 QQ47)
Hello, Bob and the list, theres no problem, astronomers say, the asteroid MAY hit the earth, the question is about the timing to say that an how to say that. Why cant the british astronomers wait a day or two to get the correct data. This was the second time from the british sience-community to be in hurry. Simple question, what means to wait a day or two in silence and then give a correct and crystal-clear information. Why to give the preliminary data to the media, if all knows, what the result will be? In Finland the media at least has been trustworthy, and when my 8-years old or my 88-years old granpa watch the news, they belive, what they have been told. This is the difference between the british and the finnish media. Sure we today have some commercial TV-channels and 2 evening papers, which are ready to publish anything with no criticisim. When we are going to media-culture like that, the "media" seems not to be in response, what they are telling. I know, what the Torino-scale is, but 99% of public dont, neither do the media. Thats why the authorities in science, in politics and so on have to watch, what they are saying. I have lost my hope with politicians, but think the scientific community should be a bit wiser... I still have my own opinions about several british astronomers and about the british media, sorry for that. Anyway, cant help that, this was the second time, when the unchecked data was given out just by british astronomers. I can belive, one time can be an accident, but the second time is something else. If the media and the general public is unable to read english, the text to give out may be wise to format so, that also my 88-years granpa can underrstand it without knowledge about the Torino-scale and another scientific liturgy. I have no reason to criticize the skills of the british astronomers, just the way, these things are published. Im the member of the finnish astronomical association and the bolide-team, and I have had to correct some statements given by geophysicans etc... about the meteorites. Last time was in last winter, when a local geophysican found a hole on the ice, and wisely thoght, it was made by a meteorite. The astronomical association got the correction published in next 12 hours, but the "news" was allready in the international media, which was very annoying and made a lot of hard work just needless. Just when you get some serious articles out, cames some wise-guy and do this. This is the problem. When these things have been done often enough, nobody belives the serious scientists, when they have something real to tell. I can aggree with you, usually the articles published are full of errors. In this case the local geophysican made clear, the meteorite sized about 50 grams can make large damage, the meteorite can make a hole on the upper layer of the ice, but leave the lower layer intact and then just disappear and so on...this hole was made by the flooding water, and that was clear to me, when I saw the first pictures from the area. So, usually the mass-media dont have enough knowledge to write this kind of articles in the correct way, I aggree also this. What I dont aggree, is to give out data, which is questonable and makes these speculations possible. If the scientific community cant make these things clear to the media, this show goes on and on. The problem is not the astronomers, the problem is not the media. The problem is between them. A good astronomer is not every time the best person in communication. The way to handle this is to have a professional, who knows the way, the media works. To write an article to a scientific publication is absolutely different thing than give the information to the evening press about the possible smasher. These are just my opinions, and I dont want to hurt anybody, but as I have been said, this is now the second time, the british astronomers give information, the british media starts the circus and NASA makes the corrections... best regards, pekka s Bob Martino wrote: No, no, no, no, no.Sorry, Pekka, but I must stand up now for my OTHER fraternal group, theAstronomical Community.It is not true that astronomers said an asteroid WOULD hit earth in the nextten years. They said that it MAY hit earth. A very big difference and not asubtle one either. Yet the press and the general public seems to be unableto grasp the difference. This is nothing AT ALL like a hoax! It is thesimplepresentation of facts to a public that has trouble reading an Englishsentenceand extracting the plain, simple meaning.Every few years we see another "Killer Asteroid" story in the press. Eachand every time a reputable astronomer said what was EXACTLY THE TRUTH, onlyto be misquoted and distorted by the media.I remember a particular instance that was perhaps 3 or 4 years ago. Theorbital data indicated that in a few years the asteroid would passparticularly close to Earth. In fa ct, the uncertainty of the
[meteorite-list] Ohio Residents Report Strange Lights In Sky
http://www.herald-dispatch.com/2003/September/04/LNlist5.htm Ohio residents report strange lights in sky By TIM STEPHENS The Herald-Dispatch (Ohio) September 4, 2003 ROME TOWNSHIP, Ohio -- Maybe it is something for the X-Files. Residents in the Rome Township, Proctorville and Chesapeake areas were not necessarily concerned, but were curious about the source of odd lights in the sky Sunday and Monday nights. Two lights appeared to circle as if chasing one another each night over Rome Township, prompting residents to peer skyward. Occasional blips or flashes also appeared at random, sometimes over Ohio 7 and sometimes over Ohio 243 or to the south, toward the Ohio River. They were just kind of circling around, said Roger Lambert, of Rome Township. Lambert by no means had thoughts of alien invasion. He was, however, curious as to what the lights were and from where they originated. I'd just like to know what they are, Lambert said. Lambert wasn't the only one interested in the lights that appeared, at times, to resemble spotlights reflecting off clouds. The Lawrence County Sheriff's Department received phone calls inquiring about the lights, as did television stations WOWK and WSAZ. Thunderstorms flashed both nights, but the circling lights certainly didn't appear to be lightning. While the lights didn't incite panic, they made for conversation. I just assumed it was some spotlights or something from somewhere on the other side of the river, J.D Warden of Rome Township said. I didn't think anything of it until I saw the little flashes. I don't think they were lightning, but they could have been. I'm not really worried about it. People see things all the time and they usually have a reasonable explanation. Ohio traditionally has been a hotbed for UFO sightings, although the southeastern part of the state isn't particularly known for such things. The northeastern section of Ohio, particularly around Akron, has garnered much more attention for strange phenomena in the sky. An event similar to this week's light show took place in the Greasy Ridge area of Union Township just north of Chesapeake in the early 1970s when residents reported seeing two white lights circling together over farmland on a warm summer night. In the mid-1970s quite a stir was created when a green ball of fire streaked through the summer night sky over the Orchard Drive, Holiday Drive, Scott Drive portion of Rome Township. That fireball was explained away as an oddly colored meteor or a piece of burning space junk falling toward earth. Warden said he wouldn't be surprised if a lot of what has been seen in the skies through the years is nothing more than aircraft from Wright Patterson Air Force Base in Dayton, Ohio. In mid-August, residents of Rome Township twice had their windows rattled in separate incidents when fighter planes flying in formation roared over head and flew southeast. Oddly enough, the Lawrence County light display wasn't the only recent unusual phenomena in the Buckeye State in recent days. On Friday, then again on Saturday, Heather Rice of Bainbridge, Ohio, spotted and filmed something she couldn't explain in the skies of central Ohio. It looked like a circular thing with windows with the red and green lights shining through, Rice said in a story distributed by the Associated Press. It was spinning fast. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorites, not water, turned Mars red?
Please chek this new theory on why the red color of Mars. http://edition.cnn.com/2003/TECH/space/09/04/mars.color.reut/index.html http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns4120 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay shipping charges???
Hi Tom and all, Most meteorite dealers I know charge EXACTLY the cost of shipping. Some use 3rd class mail - others 1st class - others priority. Some include the cost of shipping - most pay for shipping on orders over $1,000. But I know of NO meteorite dealers who charge handling fees - which are nothing less than, I got you and there isn't anything you can do about it - it ticks me off no end. If a dealer INCLUDES shipping, you can be SURE you are paying for it in the price - he can't stay in business without covering costs - that is as fundamental as it gets. However, I got the impression your gripe was mostly with non-meteorite dealers - and I'm with you, charging a handling fee is charging you for buying from them ON TOP of the item cost and shipping costs. Now, a packaging fee is different, and in SOME instances can be warranted - when the BOX the item requires for safety COSTS the seller he has to cover it- with a fee or in the price - one way or the other. Ironically, this is most significant the cheaper the item, as it represents a much larger percentage of the cost. SOMETIMES handling is to cover such things, but mostly it is a total rip off. Like I said, I know of no meteorite dealer that charges more than actual cost of shipping and insurance and most cover those for purchases over $1,000. Best wishes, Michael on 9/4/03 7:03 AM, Tom aka James Knudson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello List, Are we missing something? Mike farmer must be the worst, with his one dollar shipping Others charge two, three, four, some even five and six dollars. I was looking for a computer mouse for my daughter and almost fell of my chair seeing the shipping costs on these auctions! Six dollars was low for a computer mouse, nine, ten, twelve were normal and fifteen on the high side. One guy had eighteen ($18) shipping and a note saying if you don't like the shipping amount don't bid and don't ask me for to come down on the charge! All of these SH charges were for a single mouse. I am not talking about a few of the auctions, I am talking just about every one of them! Are we undercharging on our shipping or are they all trying to rip people off? Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. Philip K. Dick -- SUPPORT OUR TROUPS: http://www.takebackthemedia.com/onearmy.html -- Worth Seeing: - Earth at night from satellite: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg - Interactive Lady Liberty: http://doody36.home.attbi.com/liberty.htm - Earth - variety of choices: http://www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/vplanet.html -- Panoramic view of Meteor Crater: http://www.virtualguidebooks.com/Arizona/GrandCanyonRoute66/MeteorCrater/Met eorCraterRimL.html -- Cool Calendar Clock: http://www.yugop.com/ver3/stuff/03/fla.html -- Michael Blood Meteorites Didgeridoos for sale at: http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay shipping charges???
Tom snd list- Mike Farmer is the WORST? Actually, he is one of the best. He is always considerate of his customers and ships close to his real life costs. Micros are basically the mailer envelope cost and 1st class postage which is about a dollar. There are many other people out there that are very considerate also when it comes to shipping. Some people will only send priority and that is about $4. I have asked them to cut back to basic first class at times for a low cost piece and many of them will. But I do that before I bid. If they want a high price for shipping- that is where I start in my mindset of the meteorite's value. If it winds up too high, even for a piece I would like in my collection, I won't bid. It all balances in the end to what their final price to the bidder/winner is. People see through it. Mike Groetz --- Tom aka James Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello List, Are we missing something? Mike farmer must be the worst, with his one dollar shipping Others charge two, three, four, some even five and six dollars. I was looking for a computer mouse for my daughter and almost fell of my chair seeing the shipping costs on these auctions! Six dollars was low for a computer mouse, nine, ten, twelve were normal and fifteen on the high side. One guy had eighteen ($18) shipping and a note saying if you don't like the shipping amount don't bid and don't ask me for to come down on the charge! All of these SH charges were for a single mouse. I am not talking about a few of the auctions, I am talking just about every one of them! Are we undercharging on our shipping or are they all trying to rip people off? Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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[meteorite-list] Ebay shipping charges???
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Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay shipping charges???
I thought I would chime in on this subject...while reading this keep in mind that I do not sell meteorites on any kind of regular basis. One point that is the MOST important that I did not see in this discussion (might have missed it) is that it is the BUYERS responsibility to ASK about the shipping costs before bidding. Email the seller, ask how it will be shipped, ask the cost, and if you do not get a satisfactory answerGO SOMEWHERE ELSEit is that simple. Tell the seller if they tell you it will be shipped by Priority Mail and it is shipped first class that you will notify the Postal Inspector. If you are charged for a certain mail class and they ship by another cheaper mail class that is mail fraud...a Felony. I know this as I have the regulations here because I am licensed to print my own postage. I also know that the USPS takes this seriously as I have reported just such a violation on 2 cases and both times received a refund from the seller. You have to ask questionspin down the seller as to the type of postage and the amount and then make them stick to it. If they screw you even after doing that...leave a negative and contact the postal inspector. Bidders do not like to see negative feedback comments about being overcharged for a mail class that the seller did not use. By emailing the seller and having them reply to you about the type of shipping you will be using you have in writing their admission to the crime when they ship with a different mail class. That is all the postal inspector needs and that is the only evidence I needed that and the box with the postage and addresses on the box. What I do not understand is how anyone can buy anything on Ebay without emailing the seller if they have a question. Would you buy a car that is missing a door if the saleman acted as though the door was there? Of course not...you would ask if the car will have the door if you buy it. Would you buy a house without asking questions about it? If you would contact meI have some property JUST for you. Everyone using ebay has to use the gray matter in their head. Look at the item, know what it is you are buying, know what the cost will be, and then ASK lots of questions if you have them, if you do not ask then it is YOUR fault if you get shafted. In the case of our items...mostly all fragile..we charge a handling fee. The fee covers our cost of packing materials. We also state very clearly that we charge a handling fee. That is where we differ from most sellers that charge more than the cost of the postage. On fragile items we charge for the popcorn and the bubblewrap per usage. On non breakable items such as books we use media mail and charge only postage. We use mainly Priority Mail...if you pay for priority we use priority. On item that require a special box we charge for the box and say so in the description. We pack items with great care and use only the proper materials...that costs us money and we pass the cost on to the consumer. We could add it to the starting price of the item, we prefer to charge it after the sale and tell the bidder the extra costone bidder in 100 complains and they are usually the type that would have us ship a glass plate in a padded envelope. Most people opt out of insuring their item and our extra care means that their risk is lessened. We finally had our first item damaged this year by shippingit was insured and the buyer will have the claim money in less than 10 days. If the item does not need bubblewrap and popcorn...such as linen...then you pay what my scale says in my postage software and that is all. Now that I have typed too much on the subject my point is ASK the proper questions, if you do not get the proper responseSAVE your money for another day. Thanks for listening, Mark M. Phoenix AZ Ebay ID = desertcrystal - Original Message - From: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tom aka James Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 11:15 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay shipping charges??? Hi Tom and all, Most meteorite dealers I know charge EXACTLY the cost of shipping. Some use 3rd class mail - others 1st class - others priority. Some include the cost of shipping - most pay for shipping on orders over $1,000. But I know of NO meteorite dealers who charge handling fees - which are nothing less than, I got you and there isn't anything you can do about it - it ticks me off no end. If a dealer INCLUDES shipping, you can be SURE you are paying for it in the price - he can't stay in business without covering costs - that is as fundamental as it gets. However, I got the impression your gripe was mostly with non-meteorite dealers - and I'm with you, charging a handling fee is charging you for buying from them ON TOP of the item cost and shipping costs. Now, a packaging fee is different, and in SOME instances can be warranted - when the
Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay shipping charges???
Hello, Tom and List, I think I have to put a line in to this subject as well. Since Sep. 11th postal security here down-under has dramatically increased, and every item, not to be a document/ card/letter has to be sent as a small parcel with ID procided etc. The cheapest air-mail parcel is AUD $ 7.00 to the U.S.A. and AUD $ 8.00 to the rest of the world. And in quite some cases the postage charged does not even cover the postage paid, believe me! :-( FXConverter - 164 Currency Converter Results Thursday, September 4, 2003 7Australian Dollar = 4.48539US Dollar 8Australian Dollar = 5.12616US Dollar We are asking for USD $ 5.00 P/H for the first item and USD $ 1.00 for every additional one.You see, we are not trying to make money on postage charges. Handling of the item and packing material are not even taken into consideration. We are certainly trying to be fair, but it is really up to the individual to do the calculation and to decide if he/she wants to place a bid. I hope you will still be bidding at our auctions. ;-) -- Best_regards Best regards from DOWN-UNDER, Norbert Heike Kammel ROCKS ON FIRE IMCA #3420 www.rocksonfire.com Tom aka James Knudson wrote: Hello List, Are we missing something? Mike farmer must be the worst, with his one dollar shipping Others charge two, three, four, some even five and six dollars. I was looking for a computer mouse for my daughter and almost fell of my chair seeing the shipping costs on these auctions! Six dollars was low for a computer mouse, nine, ten, twelve were normal and fifteen on the high side. One guy had eighteen ($18) shipping and a note saying if you don't like the shipping amount don't bid and don't ask me for to come down on the charge! All of these SH charges were for a single mouse. I am not talking about a few of the auctions, I am talking just about every one of them! Are we undercharging on our shipping or are they all trying to rip people off? Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] MeteoriteTimes URL
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Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay shipping charges???
- Original Message - From: joann breitbarth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mark Miconi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay shipping charges??? Wow. There's nothing like a surprise shipping charge. Mark is sure right about clarifying things in advance. I'm the type of person that will drive 20 miles out of the way to fill up at a gas station that charges less even if it costs me more to get there than I save. It's kind of an insult when mailing is glaringly overpriced. I always thought USPS priority was a real deal till they jacked their rates. You would think that all the new business they got from ebay would have kept rates stable? Yeah...I'm naive... Regards - Original Message - From: Mark Miconi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tom aka James Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay shipping charges??? I thought I would chime in on this subject...while reading this keep in mind that I do not sell meteorites on any kind of regular basis. One point that is the MOST important that I did not see in this discussion (might have missed it) is that it is the BUYERS responsibility to ASK about the shipping costs before bidding. Email the seller, ask how it will be shipped, ask the cost, and if you do not get a satisfactory answerGO SOMEWHERE ELSEit is that simple. Tell the seller if they tell you it will be shipped by Priority Mail and it is shipped first class that you will notify the Postal Inspector. If you are charged for a certain mail class and they ship by another cheaper mail class that is mail fraud...a Felony. I know this as I have the regulations here because I am licensed to print my own postage. I also know that the USPS takes this seriously as I have reported just such a violation on 2 cases and both times received a refund from the seller. You have to ask questionspin down the seller as to the type of postage and the amount and then make them stick to it. If they screw you even after doing that...leave a negative and contact the postal inspector. Bidders do not like to see negative feedback comments about being overcharged for a mail class that the seller did not use. By emailing the seller and having them reply to you about the type of shipping you will be using you have in writing their admission to the crime when they ship with a different mail class. That is all the postal inspector needs and that is the only evidence I needed that and the box with the postage and addresses on the box. What I do not understand is how anyone can buy anything on Ebay without emailing the seller if they have a question. Would you buy a car that is missing a door if the saleman acted as though the door was there? Of course not...you would ask if the car will have the door if you buy it. Would you buy a house without asking questions about it? If you would contact meI have some property JUST for you. Everyone using ebay has to use the gray matter in their head. Look at the item, know what it is you are buying, know what the cost will be, and then ASK lots of questions if you have them, if you do not ask then it is YOUR fault if you get shafted. In the case of our items...mostly all fragile..we charge a handling fee. The fee covers our cost of packing materials. We also state very clearly that we charge a handling fee. That is where we differ from most sellers that charge more than the cost of the postage. On fragile items we charge for the popcorn and the bubblewrap per usage. On non breakable items such as books we use media mail and charge only postage. We use mainly Priority Mail...if you pay for priority we use priority. On item that require a special box we charge for the box and say so in the description. We pack items with great care and use only the proper materials...that costs us money and we pass the cost on to the consumer. We could add it to the starting price of the item, we prefer to charge it after the sale and tell the bidder the extra costone bidder in 100 complains and they are usually the type that would have us ship a glass plate in a padded envelope. Most people opt out of insuring their item and our extra care means that their risk is lessened. We finally had our first item damaged this year by shippingit was insured and the buyer will have the claim money in less than 10 days. If the item does not need bubblewrap and popcorn...such as linen...then you pay what my scale says in my postage software and that is all. Now that I have typed too much on the subject my point is ASK the proper questions, if you do not get the proper responseSAVE your money for another day. Thanks for listening, Mark M.
Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay shipping charges???
Norbert Heike Kammel, I was only complaining about the computer components. They charge so much more than meteorite dealers! I have no complaints about any of the meteorite sellers. Meteorite dealers are all reasonable!! : ) Thanks, TomPeregrineflier The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 - Original Message - From: ROCKS ON FIRE To: Tom aka James Knudson Cc: meteorite-list Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 4:06 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay shipping charges??? Hello, Tom and List,I think I have to put a line in to this subject as well.Since Sep. 11th postal security here down-under has dramatically increased, and every item, not to be a document/ card/letter has to be sent as a small parcel with ID procided etc.The cheapest air-mail parcel is AUD $ 7.00 to the U.S.A. and AUD $ 8.00 to the rest of the world. And in quite some cases the postage charged does not even cover the postage paid, believe me! :-( FXConverter - 164 Currency Converter Results Thursday, September 4, 2003 7 Australian Dollar = 4.48539 US Dollar 8 Australian Dollar = 5.12616 US Dollar We are asking for USD $ 5.00 P/H for the first item and USD $ 1.00 for every additional one.You see, we are not trying to make money on postage charges. Handling of the item and packing material are not even taken into consideration.We are certainly trying to be fair, but it is really up to the individual to do the calculation and to decide if he/she wants to place a bid.I hope you will still be bidding at our auctions. ;-) -- Best regards from DOWN-UNDER,Norbert Heike Kammel ROCKS ON FIRE IMCA #3420www.rocksonfire.com Tom aka James Knudson wrote: Hello List, Are we missing something? Mike farmer must be the worst, with his one dollar shipping Others charge two, three, four, some even five and six dollars. I was looking for a computer mouse for my daughter and almost fell of my chair seeing the shipping costs on these auctions! Six dollars was low for a computer mouse, nine, ten, twelve were normal and fifteen on the high side. One guy had eighteen ($18) shipping and a note saying if you don't like the shipping amount don't bid and don't ask me for to come down on the charge! All of these SH charges were for a single mouse. I am not talking about a few of the auctions, I am talking just about every one of them! Are we undercharging on our shipping or are they all trying to rip people off? Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: New Asteroid Threat Seen (Asteroid 2003 QQ47)
Hello, Bob, Yes, I sure know, the truth in the science is the best quess or the best opinion the community can aggree, and this truth corrects itself all the time. Better this way, if the absolute truth was found in middle-ages, I suppose, our world should be a bit different than now...;- When I wrote "crystal-clear information", I didnt mean the absolute truth, just the information formated so, that the media and my 88-years granpa can underrestand that, and this means, the information has to be translated from the science-language to the "clear lanquage". As I mentioned, the problem in fact is not in astronomers, not in press, but just between them. Anyway, if the media takes the material from the web and is too lazy or busy to consult an astronomer, the media should take the responce, but as we have noticed, this is just a dream. When the astronomer finds a target classified as Torino 1, thats nothing. When the press founds the same data, its a sensation. NEO-community is trying to find NEOs, media is trying to find news, and its even better, if they can find a sensation. And if some journalists dont find a news, they will make a news. In the science, if somebody wants the community to accept his / her opinion as the current "truth", he / she has to prove it. If the media wants a news, its enough, if they can pick the juicy parts from the totality, suitable to build a news. I have arqued with the finnish press, and thats a total waste of time. Much better way is to try to find journalists, who honestly are interrested in the theme and try to get them to underrestand "the crystal-clear information", there is not the absolut truth in these cases, but this means correspondence between the science and the media, and I really hope, this discussion starts and goes on. The first step could be to tell to the media, it may be wise to check from the serious astronomer, does the Torino 1 -classification really mean the end of the world...;- NEOs are the most "media-sexy" topic in the astronomics for a long time, and I belive, this is the main reason for the overreacting of the media. The press doesnt sell, if the reporter tells, you can get killed in a car-accident or you can burn you and your family, if you smoke in the bed, and these are the everyday risks, everyone can limit. Im not shooting the astronomers and neither the media, because both of them are trying to do their job. If we talk about the moral of these jobs, the situation is a bit different...;- But I suppose, we have to live with the media, so the old "keep your friends closer and your enemies even closier" suits also in this situation. Anyway, its true, the science needs the media and the media needs the science. I aggree with you, its a wise question, why didnt the media wait a day or two. But they want their news anyway, and thats why somebody have to tell to the media, why to wait and publish a good news is better than to hurry and make themself as clowns. The Spacequard Symposium and forums like that could be a way to do that. Specially in the NEO-case I see the good relationships between the community and the media important. The risk is real, and the NEO-community makes what they can to find and limit or eliminate the risks. The community can calculate the risks, the media can tell them to the public, but the way to do that, should be something other than now. Belive, there is lot of work to do with this, but also belive, this could be done, at least I hope so. So, I think we can aggree, there are not the corrcet answers or not the absolute truth, so perhaps we can talk about the relative truth in this case. With this I mean, we should find the way to proportion the NEOs to the everyday life with the media in a reasonable way... best regards, pekka s Bob Martino wrote: Pekka,Perhaps I wasn't really clear.What you are asking for is "crystal-clear information." This DOES NOT EXISTIN SCIENCE!!EVERY measurement has error associated with it. Every one. You cannot tellme that the size of your computer screen is "exactly 17 inches" (orwhatever) and have me believe you. As a scientist I know that there is nosuch thing as a perfectly precise measurement.What science does is measure the best it can, get preliminary results, andthen try to measure better. With better measurements the results are betterbut there is STILL SOME ERROR. So you measure again with more precisemeasurements or you use additional data and you get even better results. Andthese results STILL SHOW ERROR. So you do it again and have even betterresults, but there will STILL be some error. Error can be reduced. It canNEVER be eliminated. Thus your desire for "correct data" is impossible. Atlea st in this universe.In the asteroid case being discussed, the astronomer didn't release hisdata. The press took it from a web site. The web site was NEVER intended tobe used by the press. It was for scientists to share data with each other.By sharing data
