[meteorite-list] BS AD: 20% off everything on this list tonight ONLY!!!! Meteorites!
on 10/7/03 8:29 PM, Michael Cottingham at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Michael Cottingham Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 9:28 PM Subject: Fw: 20% off everything on this list tonight ONLY Meteorites! Michael, What sort of BS is this? Earlier you post: 31. PASAMONTE, Eucrite, Union County, New Mexico, Fell March 24, 1933, TKW 5.1kg... Endpiece. 12.36 gram $1000.00 Tonight you offer 20% off on: 31. PASAMONTE, Eucrite, Union County, New Mexico, Fell March 24, 1933, TKW 5.1kg... Endpiece. 12.36 gram $1200.00 Do you think we are all nit wits? RSVP Michael Blood __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: [MeteoriteCollectors] BS AD: 20% off everything on this list tonight ONLY!!!! Meteorites!
and is the time to stop this spam, today other 10 emails with the same subjectis ok only one to only one list. When I have put 2 messages of Ebay to week I am heard to say myself that I send only spam, here instead 10 messages for day no people opens mouth. And then we understood what meteorites you have, does not serve to remember the prices change every day in order to try to sell... always in wait of my money back Matteo --- Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - on 10/7/03 8:29 PM, Michael Cottingham at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Michael Cottingham Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 9:28 PM Subject: Fw: 20% off everything on this list tonight ONLY Meteorites! Michael, What sort of BS is this? Earlier you post: 31. PASAMONTE, Eucrite, Union County, New Mexico, Fell March 24, 1933, TKW 5.1kg... Endpiece. 12.36 gram $1000.00 Tonight you offer 20% off on: 31. PASAMONTE, Eucrite, Union County, New Mexico, Fell March 24, 1933, TKW 5.1kg... Endpiece. 12.36 gram $1200.00 Do you think we are all nit wits? RSVP Michael Blood Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: I got a 7 kilograms meteorite from allende Mexico for sale...
Hi Hector, You have a very special meteorite there, as I'm sure you know if your grandpa told you anything. And it's a huge piece of it. Some people might want to buy the whole stone for quite a high price, so dont butcher it up, man. I mean , break it up or slice it until you check with some top dealers who have connections all over the world . This is the right place to start looking and we'll try to help you as much as possible. You've got a lot of money in that special rock and people know what it's worth. Secure it in a trusted bank security box first or if you're out in the sticks (farmlands) you know how to hide something. just be careful, OK?. Call Robert Haag , The Meteorite Man- Tucson, Arizona ,U.S.A.. Just ask Directory Assistance for the number. He's the man to deal/sell with and he's fair, that is if you want to sell a super ancient 7kilo rock from OUTER SPACE. It's 4.5 billion yrs. old. It's what the Sun and Earth were created from. That's the condensed cloud/nebula hardened that you're holding in your hand. It's very rare. Take care of it. You're one lucky guy, man. GOOD LUCK. A lot of people from our Meteorite Association Listwill help you out further. There's a wealth of info. here. Wise choice to start here Hector- Stay Sharp. From: Roman Nakonechny ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) ( IMCA # 0583) From: hector chavez [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: I got a 7 kilograms meteorite from allende Mexico for sale... Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 06:24:32 + DSC00958.JPE DSC00959.JPE DSC00960.JPE DSC00961.JPE _ Share your photos without swamping your Inbox. Get Hotmail Extra Storage today! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es I got a 7 kilograms aprox. meteorite from allende Mexico, and i want to sale it, how much can i get for it?, I get it from my grandfather after he die and it is very big, this are some pictures of the meteorite. I will thank you if you can tell me what can I do, what should i do to sale it and what is the price i should ask for,@ HECTOR CHAVEZ RUIZ @
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: [MeteoriteCollectors] BS AD: 20% off everything on ...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Matteo and Michael Blood should go back to bed...you nit wits! C'mon Michael (C.) - that doesn't really addressMichael (B.)'sinquiry about your "discount" pricing. If it's just a(moderately-insulting)marketing ploy to get the same net amount of money for a rock, just say so. If it's something else, just say so. I'm speaking as a past customercould you please answer the question? Gregory
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: [MeteoriteCollectors] BS AD: 20% off everything on ...
It is something else Michael - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 1:05 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: [MeteoriteCollectors] BS AD: 20% off everything on ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Matteo and Michael Blood should go back to bed...you nit wits! C'mon Michael (C.) - that doesn't really addressMichael (B.)'sinquiry about your "discount" pricing. If it's just a(moderately-insulting)marketing ploy to get the same net amount of money for a rock, just say so. If it's something else, just say so. I'm speaking as a past customercould you please answer the question? Gregory
Re: [meteorite-list] BS AD: 20% off 120% rocks
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It is something else Okey dokey. Guessthat REALLY makes mea PAST customer. ;-) Gregory
[meteorite-list] Wales phenomenon:7 kg Allende:Calcutta
Hello list I'd like to express my delight at the debate that ensued following the Wales event.Amazing stuff.Being just a layperson I assumed it was a fireball but after seeing Mr. Matsons calculations and being made aware of concordes overpass at that time I had no choice but to vote for a contrail.Still a strange looking thing though and I'm curious why there was no supersonic boom mentioned by the observers.Was the plane too high??Anyhow,great stuff,and amazing to me that NASA jumped to a conclusion so quickly. Does anyone have a link for photos of the alleged 7kg Allende,would love to feast my eyes on that beaut.What a nice thing to be left by grandpa. Kudos to Mike for travelling to India,must be one hell of a culture shock,hope it's worth it for you and some of the rest of us at some point.Good luck and get some pics posted as soon as you can Mike take care all Jim B __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Oh, Calcutta
Dear fellow travelers, I've been to Calcutta twiceon mytrips toNepal and since there seems to be some interest in the city I'll contribute a few written snapshots. Mike's a lucky guy to be there. Mike has already noted the flooded streets. Like many Asian cities that are at or a few meters above sea level, the streets flood after almost any rain. And it is still monsoon season in India. They have sewers, but the volume of water overwhelms the capacity. You walk around in ankle deep water, the water is mixing with a fetid soup of human and animal (think free ranging cows in the city of Calcutta) "stuff." To make the act of walking more challenging, some of the manhole covers have been stolen to sell the metal to recyclers and every now and then someone falls into "The Black Hole of Calcutta." The natives definitely have "home court advantage" as they would know where the missing covers are. Watch your step, Mike. To Westerners, accustomed to their "space," the density of humanity is off the scale. Think of New Year's Eve at Times Square combined with New Orleans Mardi Gras Final Night, and add extreme heat and humidity to rotting garbage and other "exotic" odors. You are constantly jostled, constantly rubbing elbows and knees. And it's a bustling city, people are moving fast. The sense of poverty, again by western standards, is overwhelming.At night, people lay out a slice of cardboard onto the sidewalk, reserving their space,and camp out.A measurable percentage of the population has never tasted an ice cube - too expensive. The water vendors sell a common glass of "room temperature" water for a rupee. A family willsurvive on less than $1/day. Hand pulled rickshaws compete with taxis. Buses and trains go everywhere, heavy fumes, so crowded that people hang on such that they are outside or riding the roof. There's competition to give you a massage in every city park. Of course, things are changing, getting better. A middle-class has evolved, cell phones are everywhere. Employment is growing with the tech-based economy. There are "good neighborhoods,"a few Mercedes. And people like to burn incense, how bad can it be? Calcutta ishardly the "worst" city in the world, (my vote for that today is Kabul) since the crowded masses and visitorshavespectacular museums (Calcutta's National Museum has a huge meteorite collection), archeological splendors, gold-leaf covered Hindu temples, anddeliciouscurries to sample.Most business people speak English. Signs and menus are also in English. Were I Mike, I'd spend a couple of days being a tourist in Calcutta on the way home, immersing myself in the culture, checking out the good (see the meteorites-including the main mass of Shergotty, 3.6 kgs.), and ponderingthe relativeness of human existence. Om padre hum, Kevin Kichinka
[meteorite-list] a few words to know
Hey mike just a few words to know over there: KEMSHO= HELLO SALAAM WALI KU=PRAISE SHUKIRIA=THANK YOU OOW JO=GOOD BYE AABAD=ALSO GOOD BYE DOUNKIN DONUTS :) Those few words will help getting you along way. steve arnold, chicago, 00W JO TO ALL! = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Wales: A few comments
Hello List, I'm not shure if I can go along with the Concorde interpretation at this time, but it could be... At least it was not 'a boring aeroplane', but rather the most special airliner there is. And that's more than a twisting of words. As I have written, the contrails of all the airliners I have seen, when they have 2 or 4 engines are always *split*. They may merge togheter more as times goes by, but one usually sees a split in the contrail as times goes by, and at the same time the contrail get progressively thinner. On the Wales photos by Jonathan, one sees a non split tail, which at the same time is thick and quite smooth (unusual), and toghether with this, the unusual and large, abruptly ending head. To complete the unusual, the tail is clearly twisting in a mathematically perfect way (corckscrewing - known from meteors). I have not observed this in airliner contrails. (See the Porthcawl image.) In a Concorde interpretation, this might be from the suck of the (sub?)supersonic speed, or the special form of the Concorde? The Concorde has a smaller wingspan than other airliners of its size. And therefore the engines are spaced more closely than the others. This may mean that the tails merges more readily into one, but I cannot tell for shure. I have seen no Concorde contrail in my life, probably. Mind you, I have been fooled by a Concorde once before. On a Sunday morning in winter time a few years ago I was wakened by a bang. I first suspected it cuold have been a meteor, among other things. But it later turned out it was a supersonic boom from a passover of a Concorde going over Norway to Finland to visit Santa Claus his reindeers...! Anyway, I wanted a discussion of why or why not certain features of a meteor cloud/contrail cloud points to the one or other type. And I certainly got it! I hope we all got a little wiser. Maybe a good thing the Concorde is grounded soon, one less flying machine to confuse us. Our forefathers had it much easier going when there mostly was birds up there... About the timing of a Concorde out of Heathrow, Rob. If your other times are correct, you missed a little added time, which may actually strengthen the Concorde case. That 'thing' was far out in the Bristol channel, probably halfway to Ireland when the photo was taken. Therefore you should not use the time of pass of Porthcawl, but out over the ocean somewhere. Add ~5 mins and you are pretty close to 19:13 BST. Rob, you asked about what I thought about the tilting of the tails from the two locations. When having rotated the images quite accurately to get alignment of clouds, I get a difference of 8-9 degrees, personally, not far from your values. Further: Since there is obviously tilting, even though from the vantage point of the two observers, the clouds in front are *at the same place* my conclusion to 'the riddle' I posed earlier is: - The clouds are very distant: At least 120 km or more! Going over to the distance of the clouds and its consequences, which I asked you about earlier: - About the FOV of the Porthcawl image. My best estimate is 60x30 deg. 90 is a bit wide for a general purpose camera isn't it? The ratio of the altitude angle of the cloud head (center), and the vertical FOVv is about ~0.22. For vertical FOV of 30 you get: 6.5 deg. For vertical FOV of 45 you get: 9.8 deg. Now for the cloud distance. I have consulted a Meteosat site on the Internet having IR pictures of the clouds at that time in the southwest of UK. The resolution is not good, but there is only one band of clouds showing out there. You clearly see a _front of clouds_ (coming in) from the ocean. It is especially easy to see on the left of the Porthcawl image. And it's far out - at 18:00 UT the front is about 165 km out. At 18:30 UT (half an hour between the satellite images) it has moved somewhat more west. Also there is the added uncertainty that there is a gathering of loosely connected clouds in front of the general front and the 'meteor' head. It's most probably also visible in the satellite images, but since the azimuth of the head and surrounding clouds is not quite clear, the whereabouts of this feature is unclear, but again it's clearly in front of the general front. I will choose to use the distance of about 150 km to the 'meteor' head, since again several things would point to the moving object being more distant than the clouds. (If you are interested I can place the satellite images or their links on the web.) Now (not taking into account the earth is round, which don't add up to that much in this connection) finding Hhd (height of 'meteor' head in km) is: FOVv=30: Hhd=(tan 6.5)*150 km = 17.09 ~17.0 km FOVv=45: Hhd=(tan 9.8)*150 km = 25.91 ~26.0 km So with this cloud distance I have been using, the height of the 'meteor' head is *too high* for an airliner. Before the Concorde option popped up yesterday (was never in my mind), as I hinted earlier to you, I thought the distance to the clouds was
Re: Re-2: [meteorite-list] NWA request
Bernd, let me tell you this: If I politely ask list members if they have to sell NWAs - and someone responses: Go collect marbles instead, I really cant see any grain of decency in this reply. I want noi fight, but I WILL respond to replies like this. And I already aopolgized for my reply to the list- my mistake. Oh, and I enjoy a GREAT time here in Gröden/South Tyrol :-) -- Regards, Rendelius RPGDot.com Dave kindly admonished: It is not considered proper list etiquette to post your private responses to your inquiry to the entire list. Dave's replies to you were made in private to you ONLY... not to the community. In the future, I would suggest to keep such things to yourself and the respondee. I couldn't agree more because we have all known David Freeman for many years and do know he is not the agressive, offensive type my (almost) namesake would like to make him. On the contrary ...! Dave Freeman is not the only one who feels that it is less a problem of our perception than a problem that someone has who keeps the word NWA junk raining down on the List. If you think you can judge my intentions ... by the four or five lines I have written, I congratulate you on your self-esteem - and I pity you for that at the same time. These words are both totally unjustifiable and intolerable and do clearly testify to a lack of manners. I would suggest that my (almost) namesake apologize to the List and to Dave Freeman before we can go on doing business as usual. My two (Euro-) cents! Bernd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ULTRA BIG chondrule ???????
Hello For me to see it is a xenolithic inclusion. a xenolith is a fragment of rock differing in origin, composition, structure, etc., from the rock enclosing it. It looks alot like the NWA900 (NWA869?) taht Matteo have sold, and is pictured in Nortons The Cambridge encyclopedia of meteorites page 144. There it is achondrittic rock inclosed in a chondritic host. I think the same thing is the case here. :-) Lars Pedersen - Original Message - From: PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 12:05 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] ULTRA BIG chondrule ??? Hello all. I want know Your opinion about something strange I just discover on my new Maroco chondrite while cutting. Meteorite looks like fresh L5 chondrite and I have 1440g fragment with around 50% fussion crust. I just cut 50% this meteorite and find somethink, what looks like verry big chondrule. This meteorite is not a breccia or something similar. This is clean L chondrite without any inclusions. This chondrule is visible on 4 slices and have dimmensions 28x25mm and have depth around 20 mm (before cut). Meteorite is now in classification. Here is some photos: Whole specimen before cut http://www.meteoryt.net/ebay/inclusion0.jpg 2 slices with inclusion http://www.meteoryt.net/ebay/inclusion1.jpg http://www.meteoryt.net/ebay/inclusion2.jpg http://www.meteoryt.net/ebay/inclusion3.jpg http://www.meteoryt.net/ebay/inclusion4.jpg close up http://www.meteoryt.net/ebay/inclusion5.jpg what this can be ?? -[ MARCIN CIMAA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of: Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Oh, Calcutta
Dear Kevin; Thanks for the post. Reading this brings back many memories of SE Asia. I just loved Singapore. Cultures, the lure of things not found in US: every good, bad, and ugly thing that momma warned me about. Be careful Mike and watch the soup too! Dave Freeman Central Rocky Mountains, USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear fellow travelers, I've been to Calcutta twice on my trips to Nepal and since there seems to be some interest in the city I'll contribute a few written snapshots. Mike's a lucky guy to be there. Mike has already noted the flooded streets. Like many Asian cities that are at or a few meters above sea level, the streets flood after almost any rain. And it is still monsoon season in India. They have sewers, but the volume of water overwhelms the capacity. You walk around in ankle deep water, the water is mixing with a fetid soup of human and animal (think free ranging cows in the city of Calcutta) stuff. To make the act of walking more challenging, some of the manhole covers have been stolen to sell the metal to recyclers and every now and then someone falls into The Black Hole of Calcutta. The natives definitely have home court advantage as they would know where the missing covers are. Watch your step, Mike. To Westerners, accustomed to their space, the density of humanity is off the scale. Think of New Year's Eve at Times Square combined with New Orleans Mardi Gras Final Night, and add extreme heat and humidity to rotting garbage and other exotic odors. You are constantly jostled, constantly rubbing elbows and knees. And it's a bustling city, people are moving fast. The sense of poverty, again by western standards, is overwhelming. At night, people lay out a slice of cardboard onto the sidewalk, reserving their space, and camp out. A measurable percentage of the population has never tasted an ice cube - too expensive. The water vendors sell a common glass of room temperature water for a rupee. A family will survive on less than $1/day. Hand pulled rickshaws compete with taxis. Buses and trains go everywhere, heavy fumes, so crowded that people hang on such that they are outside or riding the roof. There's competition to give you a massage in every city park. Of course, things are changing, getting better. A middle-class has evolved, cell phones are everywhere. Employment is growing with the tech-based economy. There are good neighborhoods, a few Mercedes. And people like to burn incense, how bad can it be? Calcutta is hardly the worst city in the world, (my vote for that today is Kabul) since the crowded masses and visitors have spectacular museums (Calcutta's National Museum has a huge meteorite collection), archeological splendors, gold-leaf covered Hindu temples, and delicious curries to sample. Most business people speak English. Signs and menus are also in English. Were I Mike, I'd spend a couple of days being a tourist in Calcutta on the way home, immersing myself in the culture, checking out the good (see the meteorites-including the main mass of Shergotty, 3.6 kgs.), and pondering the relativeness of human existence. Om padre hum, Kevin Kichinka __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Ad--Alan Rubin Book Collection
We recently purchased some extra books that Alan Rubin no longer needed. There are several books on the list that are quite interesting and affordably priced. http://jensenmeteorites.com/Rubin.htm We have lots of other meteorite books for sale please check out the links on this page; meteorite books-main Let us know if you have any questions. Remember we also take your wants. Mike Mike JensenBill JensenJensen Meteorites16730 E Ada PLAurora, CO 80017-3137303-337-4361Web Site: Jensen Meteorites
[meteorite-list] Mars Global Surveyor Images - October 2-8, 2003
MARS GLOBAL SURVEYOR IMAGES October 2-8, 2003 The following new images taken by the Mars Orbiter Camera (MOC) on the Mars Global Surveyor spacecraft are now available: o Mesas and Troughs (Released 02 October 2003) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2003/10/02/index.html o Small Impact Crater (Released 03 October 2003) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2003/10/03/index.html o Kasei Valles Flow (Released 04 October 2003) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2003/10/04/index.html o Valley near Nilus Chaos (Released 05 October 2003) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2003/10/05/index.html o Hellas Planitia (Released 06 October 2003) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2003/10/06/index.html o Flows of Olympus (Released 07 October 2003) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2003/10/07/index.html o East Candor Layers (Released 08 October 2003) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2003/10/08/index.html All of the Mars Global Surveyor images are archived here: http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/index.html Mars Global Surveyor was launched in November 1996 and has been in Mars orbit since September 1997. It began its primary mapping mission on March 8, 1999. Mars Global Surveyor is the first mission in a long-term program of Mars exploration known as the Mars Surveyor Program that is managed by JPL for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, DC. Malin Space Science Systems (MSSS) and the California Institute of Technology built the MOC using spare hardware from the Mars Observer mission. MSSS operates the camera from its facilities in San Diego, CA. The Jet Propulsion Laboratory's Mars Surveyor Operations Project operates the Mars Global Surveyor spacecraft with its industrial partner, Lockheed Martin Astronautics, from facilities in Pasadena, CA and Denver, CO. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: Re-2: [meteorite-list] NWA request
Dear List; Let me tell you this doesn't grab me as polite this time either! I continue to look and see no politely ask in a post that calls for cheap and junk meteorites. I do realize that some list members have had positive transactions with this collector. Bah, such manners! Dave Freeman Bernhard Rems wrote: Bernd, let me tell you this: If I politely ask list members if they have to sell NWAs - and someone responses: Go collect marbles instead, I really cant see any grain of decency in this reply. I want noi fight, but I WILL respond to replies like this. And I already aopolgized for my reply to the list- my mistake. Oh, and I enjoy a GREAT time here in Gröden/South Tyrol :-) __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] PRL To Unravel India Meteor Mystery
http://cities.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=65145 PRL to unravel meteor mystery Ahmedabad Newsline (India) October 7, 2003 Ahmedabad: A piece of rock is the centre of attraction at Physical Research Laboratory (PRL), Ahmedabad these days. The 250-gm rock piece that holds the promise of unravelling the many mysteries of solar system, is a part of the meteorite that landed in Orissa on September 27, and has been brought here by a team of PRL scientists. Although the scientists here are not sure of the age of the rock at the moment, looking at the chondrules (small rounded structures on the rock), they say it appears to be part of some of the most primitive material in space. Scientists say since the rock is radioactive, tests can reveal its age and its detailed study will help them infer what happened in the solar system way back. This rock (meteorite) is no ordinary piece of stone, as it has in it imprints of the changes that have taken place in the space during the last 4.6 billion years, said a scientist from PRL who visited Orissa. PRL scientists say the iron veins in the rock suggest that after its formation, the rock was subjected to intense heat, following which iron must have flowed into the cracks. A meteorite is a piece of extra-terrestrial solid mass that has survived atmospheric friction and landed on earth. Scientists say when these pieces of extra-terrestrial rocks orbiting the solar system collide with each other, they leave their orbits and travel through earth's atmosphere to land on earth. Usually, a major chunk of the rocks burn during their passage, but whatever matter survive the friction and reach the earth are mines of information. Scientists at PRL say these meteoric rains are very important as they provide us with free samples of rocks from space. PRL scientists said the rock will be a subject of intense study to find out details about its mineralogy, composition, history and various other factors. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] PRL To Unravel India Meteor Mystery
Dear List; This post and the Newsline impression seems quite interesting. Radioactive... most primitive (yet has iron veins, with iron flow in the cracks), mmm...interesting reporting. Meteoric rains? Dave F. Ron Baalke wrote: http://cities.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=65145 PRL to unravel meteor mystery Ahmedabad Newsline (India) October 7, 2003 Ahmedabad: A piece of rock is the centre of attraction at Physical Research Laboratory (PRL), Ahmedabad these days. The 250-gm rock piece that holds the promise of unravelling the many mysteries of solar system, is a part of the meteorite that landed in Orissa on September 27, and has been brought here by a team of PRL scientists. Although the scientists here are not sure of the age of the rock at the moment, looking at the chondrules (small rounded structures on the rock), they say it appears to be part of some of the most primitive material in space. Scientists say since the rock is radioactive, tests can reveal its age and its detailed study will help them infer what happened in the solar system way back. This rock (meteorite) is no ordinary piece of stone, as it has in it imprints of the changes that have taken place in the space during the last 4.6 billion years, said a scientist from PRL who visited Orissa. PRL scientists say the iron veins in the rock suggest that after its formation, the rock was subjected to intense heat, following which iron must have flowed into the cracks. A meteorite is a piece of extra-terrestrial solid mass that has survived atmospheric friction and landed on earth. Scientists say when these pieces of extra-terrestrial rocks orbiting the solar system collide with each other, they leave their orbits and travel through earth's atmosphere to land on earth. Usually, a major chunk of the rocks burn during their passage, but whatever matter survive the friction and reach the earth are mines of information. Scientists at PRL say these meteoric rains are very important as they provide us with free samples of rocks from space. PRL scientists said the rock will be a subject of intense study to find out details about its mineralogy, composition, history and various other factors. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] PRL To Unravel India Meteor Mystery
This post and the Newsline impression seems quite interesting. Radioactive I think they are referring to isotope ratios. Meteoric rains? or meteorite showers. Ron Baalke __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Large Ice Age Floods Moved 16-Ton Willamette Meteorite To Oregon
http://www.missoulian.com/articles/2003/10/07/news/local/znews03.txt Floods' footsteps By JOSEPH B. FRAZIER Associated Press October 7, 2003 Institute looks to mark route of Glacial Lake Missoula's overflow THE DALLES, Ore. - Picture an ice dam 30 miles wide forming a lake 2,000 feet deep and 200 miles long, a lake stretching from the Idaho panhandle into western Montana and containing more water than Lake Erie and Lake Ontario combined. Now picture that dam giving way, and most of its 520 cubic miles of water thundering out in about 48 hours through four states as it roared across eastern Washington and west through the Columbia Gorge to the Pacific. The water would have filled a lake a mile deep and a mile wide from the Columbia River to San Francisco. The Missoula Floods, at the end of the last Ice Age about 14,000 years ago, were the biggest scientifically documented floods ever. How big were the floods? Geologists from the U.S. Geological Survey have estimated the flow near the dam breach of Glacial Lake Missoula at 10 times more than the combined flow of all the rivers in the world. The floods spilled over the Columbia River Gorge, and USGS geologist Jim O'Connor says they probably swelled to 4,000 times the flow of the river today. By any account, the Old Testament flood was a leaky faucet by comparison. And the Missoula Floods occurred repeatedly over the course of about 2,500 years, as new glacial ice dams plugged the river outlet, Glacial Lake Missoula refilled with water, and the dam then ruptured once again. Signs and interpretive centers in the Pacific Northwest mark the route of Lewis and Clark and of the pioneers who followed the Oregon Trail. But there is nothing similar to mark the Ice Age floods, which were partly responsible for the appearance of the region's terrain and formed much of the Columbia Basin. There are hit-and-miss markers that refer to the flood, O'Connor said, but they were placed by a variety of organizations and don't tell a comprehensive, chronological tale of what happened. A study for the National Park Service, and a growing number of amateur and professional geologists fascinated by the floods, think that's a shame. The Park Service study, issued in 2001, suggests an Ice Age Floods National Geographic Trail that would follow the 600-mile path of the flood, mostly along existing highways, with signs and information highlighting significant flood features. The funding for the study came from Congress, but Congress has not followed up on its recommendations, which include recognizing the path of floods and the 16,000 square miles they covered as a nationally significant resource. The report summary says features of the flood and its pathway make it suitable for inclusion in the national park system, not as a traditional park or monument but as an interpretive flood pathway across the four states. It recommends that private land not be taken over for the project. It envisions towns near key flood features as gateway communities with hiking and horse trails, canoeing and kayaking routes that will help visitors realize the scope of what happened. No bill has been introduced yet, said Dale Middleton of Seattle, president of the nonprofit Ice Age Flood Institute dedicated to educating people on what the floods were and why they mattered. We are trying to get someone in the Northwest congressional delegation to do so. We have had some contacts, he said. The institute will meet in The Dalles on Oct. 11 to go over plans for a geologic interpretive trail. Middleton said the institute envisions information and visitors centers at key points along the flood routes. None of it has gone anywhere, although the effects and traces of the floods remain very much in evidence. The floods hit the Columbia River near present-day Wenatchee, Wash., and roared west. The Columbia Gorge, 80 miles long and up to 4,000 feet deep, couldn't contain the water, which scoured the rock walls clean and spilled over, probably widening the gorge. Geologists compare the gorge to a nozzle that sent the floods roaring out in a wall of water perhaps 500 feet high at 80 mph, or more, putting Oregon's Willamette Valley as far south as the Eugene area and present-day Portland under 400 feet of water. Most of Portland is a big sand and debris bar deposited where the flood slowed down as it spread out over the Portland Basin, said O'Connor, who is with the USGS Portland office and has researched the floods extensively. Much of the deep soil that makes the Willamette Valley one of the richer agricultural areas in the country is from deposits of flood silt. The Oregon Trail might have gone somewhere else if the floods hadn't filled the valley full of sand and silt, he said. It was the Willamette Valley's fertile soil that attracted many a traveler who set out on the Oregon Trail. Rich silt left by the flood reaches 100 feet deep in places. University of Montana geology professor
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: [MeteoriteCollectors] BS AD: 20% offeverything on ...
Hello, DON'T YOU GET IT! THERE IS NO STABILITY IN ANY MARKET That is Wishful thinking and an Illusion. Yeah my prices might be lower next week and then again maybe not. You can wait or you can buy...the choice is up to THE CUSTOMER. I don't care if my selling effects other dealers.. that is their problem...AS I AM AFFECTED BY THEIR SELLING PRACTICES! MICHAEL BLOOD THESE ARE MY METEORITES TO DO WITH AS I WISH. TO SELL HOW I SEE FIT! The Customer can decide when the price is right for them or NOT. FREE WILL MAN! FREE WILL. Stop being Such a Crybaby about prices! Michael Cottingham - Original Message - From: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Cottingham [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: [MeteoriteCollectors] BS AD: 20% offeverything on ... Michael, Why don't I PRAISE some of the CHEAPEST prices around? Read my article this month in METEORITE TIMES. If you read that and STILL can't figure out why I don't PRAISE some of the CHEAPEST prices around? Let me make it clear right here: When you offer merchandise for a given price, then offer the same material later for less - then, if you don't sell all of it at that price, you offer it later for even less - over and over and over, as you do, Michael, you create several effects that go far beyond your personal reality. For one thing, you give buyers the message they should never buy now, wait, and the price will go down (however, this only badly hurts all dealers, not necessarily the collectors.). However, you ALSO burn ALL your own customers who paid more for this material when you originally offered it. I buy something from you for $3.50/g and 2 weeks later you drop the price to $1.75/g - I feel RIPPED OFF. (perhaps you STILL don't get this, despite doing this to all of us who invested heavily in Wagon Wheel - which you, then proceeded to GIVE AWAY. Those of us in for $3.50 a gram felt really burned and I, for one, told you that strait to your face and I KNOW several others who did as well.) ALSO, when you do this, there is NO STABILITY in the meteorite market. Low prices, I am all for it. My collection has never been gaining weight so fast. I can make just as much money dealing low priced material as high priced material. No problem. It is the instability that TOTALLY destabilizes everything It really doesn't matter (on a market level) whether meteorites are cheap or expensive - of course, as a collector, I prefer them cheap - but as a dealer, I don't care one way or the other. WHAT I DO CARE ABOUT IS STABILITY. Without it, neither collectors OR dealers can conduct business in a sane manor. Your CONSTANT fire sales followed by even greater fire sales undermine that stability entirely. No one can reckon the value of material, because the prices are running all over the board. But you get your cash in hand NOW and that is all you care about. So, Michael, THAT is why I don't praise some of the cheapest prices around. Get it? Or, is it STILL too subtle for you? I resent it as a collector and I resent it as a dealer. Sincerely, Michael Blood on 10/8/03 12:27 AM, Michael Cottingham at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Maybe I just really don't want to sell that piece that bad!!! Hey ...why don't you look at the other pieces and PRAISE some of the CHEAPEST prices around! Really folks ...don't look for ghosts on this one. Either buy the pieces or don't. It is all up front and it is a public sale. Michael Michael Cottingham - Original Message - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 1:18 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: [MeteoriteCollectors] BS AD: 20% off everything on ... it resolves with these useless sentences Matteo --- Michael Cottingham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is something else Michael - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 1:05 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: [MeteoriteCollectors] BS AD: 20% off everything on ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Matteo and Michael Blood should go back to bed...you nit wits! C'mon Michael (C.) - that doesn't really address Michael (B.)'s inquiry about your discount pricing. If it's just a (moderately-insulting) marketing ploy to get the same net amount of money for a rock, just say so. If it's something else, just say so. I'm speaking as a past customercould you please answer the question? Gregory = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: [MeteoriteCollectors] BS AD: 20% offeverything on ...
Hello Michaels BloodCottingham, I can't agree with Bood's opinion and in at least one point I have to defend Cottingham. Since 3 years I'm reading his posted SALES and as far as the prices are concerned, they aren't especially cheap, they are quite the normal average prices for each locality and only very few pieces are below average. In that respect he's an example for market stability. I'm talkingabout the collecor's prices, not of the bulktrader prices or dealer's pricesor singular "Blow Out" sales, nor from ebay. Since years I'm compiling lists comparing the prices of the complete assortments of meanwhile 140 dealers and dealer/collectors worldwide. Of course there arehandfull dealers, who have a special high price level or much more highest prices on single meteorites than the average and those may be scared in sudden price developments or special offers (I don't want to argue about, because of course my lists can't reflect the quality of the offered pieces), but Cottingham's offers are in the very most casessimply average priced. Of course there was a large crash of prices of especially among the rare types, but on the other hand the prices of most "classical" localities, "meteorites with names" vs. desert finds remained stable since 4 years (according to my lists) and some even raised in price. Again, I'm not talking about ebay. And please don't email me, because you want to have my lists! It's a horrible work to makethem and a good cook never will publish his book with secret receiples. Regards! Martin A.
[meteorite-list] Stone Soup?
I've heard of stone soup before but never tried using meteorites. Howard WuMartin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And please don't email me, because you want to have my lists! It's a horrible work to makethem and a good cook never will publish his book with secret receiples.Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger
Re: [meteorite-list] glorieta
very cool! was just wondering about 'em 'cuz i bought one on ebay that had olivene +some gun barrel blue-black crust on it that looked very sikhote-ish. the olivene's actual crust was straight black and the metal was heat-treated blue. the place must not get much rain to rust 'em away. From: Steve Schoner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: harlan trammell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] glorieta Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 19:02:32 -0700 (PDT) Glorieta must have fallen rather recently as many of them have nice fusion crusts. Nininger did a paper on a small pallasite that was found at Nambe Pueblo in the 1930's. I believe that it was called Pojoaque a 40 gram pallasite. It was found in a medicine pouch in a ancient Indian pot that was set on in a protected ledge at the pueblo site. The specimen was in perfect condition, as if it fell yesterday, and it was thought that it was a witnessed fall. Subsequent tests indicated that it was actually Glorieta. The age of the artifacts that it was found with dated at 1250 AD. The fact that Pojoaque was in such fantastic condition was attributed to the possibility that it was seen to fall. Then, in the 1880's, prospectors found the three largest Glorieta masses on a rise or outcrop of stone. Dr. Kunz investigated the site in 1885 and was perplexed by the fact that the three masses with weights between 45 to 153 lbs, fit together yet there was no evidence that the outcrop had any impact areas. Kunz reasoned that if these masses had broken on impact that such evidence would be apparent on the rock outcrop. But there was no such damage. He investigated the find site more, and found three complete individuals with weights between .5 and 3.5 lbs. They were completely crusted and found in rock crevices close to where the three main masses were found. He speculated that the masses may have been transported to the find site. But he did not speculate by whom. Dr. Don Blakeslee at Kansas State University in Wichita, has investigated ancient Indian trails and correlated these with the major finds made by Nininger. He noticed that all the meteorites that were found on rises correlated with ancient Indian trails. When I visited with him a number of years ago he showed me the data with a map and an overlay of the trails. The coincidence of trails lining up with Nininger's finds was striking. The Indians did this because these meteorites fell from the sky and it was their way of giving them a place of honor in their religious systems. I suspect that they witnessed Glorieta and put them on that rise to honor the objects that in or around 1250 AD fell from the sky. Steve Schoner http://www.geocities.com/american_meteorite_survey harlan trammell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: - when did glorieta fall? some of it looks like sikhote w/ olivnene. - High-speed Internet access as low as $29.95/month*. Click here. *Depending on the local service providers in your area. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list - Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search Instant message in style with MSN Messenger 6.0. Download it now FREE! __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Wales: why no sonic boom
Hi Jim and list, Just a quick reply to one of the questions Jim posed in his post: ... I'm curious why there was no supersonic boom mentioned by the observers.Was the plane too high?? For environmental reasons, the Concorde doesn't go supersonic until it is out over open ocean. I'm not sure if St. George's Channel between Ireland and the UK qualifies or not -- perhaps the Concorde deliberately skirts Ireland to the south so that it can go supersonic earlier. (Interestingly enough, the Porthcawl wide field-of-view image points to a trajectory with an azimuth a bit south of due west -- enough to avoid an overflight of Ireland.) In any case, it was certainly subsonic when it flew over southern Wales, so no sonic boom would have been heard there. As for the plane's altitude, perhaps one of our list members who has more flying experience can answer how quickly commercial jets reach cruising altitude (recognizing, of course, that the Concorde is hardly an ordinary commercial jet). Cruising altitude for the Concorde is ~60,000 feet (over 18 km), so it seems to me it will take some time (more than 30 minutes?) to get there. Cheers, Rob __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Wales: why no sonic boom
... I'm curious why there was no supersonic boom mentioned by the observers.Was the plane too high?? They could have been too far away. You can have sightings of fireballs without hearing the sonic booms. In fact, meteorites have been known to land without anyone having heard a sonic boom. A recent example is the Louisana fall that fell through a house. Sonic booms are only heard when you are relatively close to the fireball, about 50 miles or so. Also, sonic booms may be heard but not recognized, and thus not reported. For example, the Space Shuttle sometimes flies over Los Angeles when it lands. The Shuttle generates a double sonic boom (one for each wing). The first time I heard the Shuttle sonic booms, I wasn't expecting them, and thought it was noise from someone dropping some boxes on the floor above me. Though I heard the sonic booms clearly, they weren't particularly loud, and I had dismissed them until someone mentioned later that the Shuttle had flown overhead. Ron Baalke __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] orientated SA trade?
Hello List, Sorry to bother you all, the delete key is normally on the right side of the keyboard if you don't care to continue. : ) As a lot of you know, I believe in bigger being better. Because of that belief, I was wondering if any one would be interested in a trade? I have a very nice 207g orientated Sikhote-Alin full of regmaglypts, flowlines and rollover rims. It is a great looking SA, the kind some dealers would sell for $2 or more a gram on their sites. But, it just is not big enough for me! I would like to trade it for something bigger, maybe a Campo, CD or just a nice looking something. I only am interested in whole individuals. : ) Pics are available. Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Space Subcommittee Approves Pete Conrad Astronomy Awards Act
http://www.house.gov/science/press/108/108-121.htm Committee on Science Press Contacts: SHERWOOD BOEHLERT, CHAIRMAN Heidi Mohlman Tringe Ralph M. Hall, Texas, Ranking DemocratJeff Donald (202) 225-4275 SPACE SUBCOMMITTEE APPROVES FOUR BILLS WASHINGTON, D.C., October 8, 2003 - The House Science Subcommittee on Space and Aeronautics today approved four bills by voice vote, listed below. [snip] H.R. 912, Charles `Pete' Conrad Astronomy Awards Act, sponsored by Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA) The Charles Pete Conrad Astronomy Awards Act, named for the third man to walk on the moon, establishes awards to encourage amateur astronomers to discover and track asteroids crossing in a near-Earth orbit. Earth has experienced several near-misses with asteroids that would have proven catastrophic, and the scientific community relies heavily on amateur astronomers to discover and track these objects. The bill authorizes $10,000 for each of fiscal years 2004 and 2005 for NASA to administer the program. The House approved the bill by voice vote last year. Pete Conrad was a pilot, explorer, and entrepreneur of the highest caliber. I think it is fitting that we honor Pete Conrad by establishing this award to encourage amateur astronomers and private citizens to keep looking up and out into the future, said Rohrabacher. [snip] ### __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New Orleans strike...
Hi Dave and List, I got the first batch of data, high Mg-olivine, 32-44 % MgO, 11-16 % FeO, plus 0.5 % MnO! Rather surprising, a bit high for a meteorite. The pyroxenes are diopsidic to hgh Mg-pigeonitic. And the plagioclases are surprisingly Na-rich for a meteorite, over 8% Na2O. A weird meteorite Truly a weird meteorite! While some of the preliminary data support Michael Farmer's first guess - that it is an H chondrite - probably an H5 chondrite* - other data might speak in favor of an L or LL type. Hey, maybe this is an exotic H/L(LL) type like Bremervörde, Haxtun, Tieschitz or Matt Morgan's new H/L3-4 !!! * See Mike's website: The meteorite appears to be a very fragile chondrite, I saw many small chondrules, and some metal. My guess is (H5). Best wishes, Bernd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Michael, But there aren't so much real Blow Out sales announced on this list, nor on the yahoo-groups, nor on the webpages of the dealers. Like so many others I would be glad to find cheap material, but in fact in the last 3 years I bought only three times from those socalled opportunities. Once a real cheap rough specimen of Jilin from B.Y, another one, which I can't remember (I think it was from M.H.), and I have to confess some days ago the Allende from Cottingham, but only because I have a client, waiting for such a piece. In fact those postings are only labelled as Blow Out or Super Sales. Of course in most cases the prices are lower than those on the websites of F., E., B. (no war please!) and others, but in most cases, they are no real bargains and hit only the average prices for each locality. Especially Cottinghams offers are in a few cases even higher than the average. In general and in long terms spoken, I value the market movements a little bit different than you in your articles in the MeteoriteTimes. I started collecting as a boy in the mid 80ies. Of course those were the Good Ol'Times, meteorite collecting was something very special, the prices were low (and I had no money...) - but golden the times were not all (no possibility to compare the prices, less localities available..). Until the end of the 90ies, prices were quite stable, then some new localities became available and some became cheaper because of the opening in the East, but very soon the internet got more and more popular and the paradox phenomen occured, that the meteorite prices instead of going down because of the larger competition and availability, were increasing dramatacally! Perhaps because with this new media meteorites became much more popular and thus the demand was growing. Many of my clients reported me the same observation in other field of collections (fossils, numismatics, antiquities..). Finally meteorites became so expensive, that I was forced to start dealing, to refinanciate my collection. So I feel not so pity for the price crashes in the last time - I see well that it has nothing to do with a normalization of the market (like this: first cheap then very expensive now normal), because due to ebay and other factors it's now a complete different situation. It's a larger matket now, but still a very small niche market, reacting very sensible. O.k. the most classical localities weren't afflicted by the crashes and remained unchanged high in price, others mainly the common bulk classics like Sikhote, Campo, Canyon ect. which are sold by everyone seemed to have found there final place not before the very recent times and that those times, were the Labennes could sell there new ordinary chondrite desert finds in the 90ies at 1.5/g or higher wouldn't last for ever, was from the beginning on evident. Different thing are the rare types and of course it's extremely cruel for an collector to see his DaG262 or 400 for which he paid his 20.000/g years ago, going on ebay at only 1000/g. Or Rumurutis first 150 now 20 and many others too. But in my eyes it's also a fault of the dealers. If a single seller started to dump a rare type, why all others are so panicked? I remembered well last year (or was it 2 years ago, as times goes buy), when the first started to sell his lunars below 5000/g immediately all dealers became hysteric and start to throw their Moons away, egal what for losses, competing each other and throwing away the stuff as it would be a hot potato at 1000/g, instead to stay calm, to wait a time until the price recovers or even to buy. Well, perhaps not such a fine example, because someone starts to dump moon again ( uh I can feel that again such a hysteria will take place) or perhaps an ideal example because Moon is limited in weight, there aren't tons available, so that you will be able to observe how fast or whether at all the prices will recover again. Of course it's also not fine for dealers, when others start to throw away there stuff below there own buying prices (in german ebay there is such an enthusiast..), but why always those overreactions? Only because someone throws so much Kainsaz in ebay, that it got's only 5/g - should I reduce my Kainsaz down to 5/g too? Or my Colony? Nobody will force me - I will wait until that guy has sold his stuff and the prices will raise, I even will buy his Kainsaz, when it's so cheap. It's in the personal responsibility of a dealer to have a diversified assortment of different meteorites to minimate the risk and for not being so extremely dependend on only a few localities. A rare desert type, a rare class, or a locality just newly appearing on the market is always more risky than an observed fall or a classic locality. Of course it makes no sense to sell the rare stuff so cheap as it happened in recent times, but isn't it better then just to wait and not to join the dumpings? Or to keep the relativity, do you think only because some desert eucrites,
Re: [meteorite-list] Large Ice Age Floods Moved 16-Ton Willamette Meteorite To Oregon
Hi Ron and all, Ron Baalke wrote: The Willamette Meteorite, at nearly 16 tons the largest ever found in the United States and the sixth-largest in the world, apparently also rode the flow. It was identified near West Linn south of Portland in 1902 and resides at the American Museum of Natural History in New York City. Does that mean the Willamette is Canadian Cultural/Heritage Property??? :-) --AL __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Help, I am seeing circles!
Hello List, terrestrially speaking, what can make inclusions in a rock round? I have a rock that has perfectly round black and white inclusions. It also has some odd shaped black, white and an almost round yellow inclusion. The matrix has a green tinge to it. I have pics if anyone cares to look. : ) Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: [MeteoriteCollectors] BS AD: 20% offeverything on ...
Hello Everyone, I have added a new entry on my page devoted to buying meteorites and questionable seller activities. I call it the disappearing discount http://www.branchmeteorites.com/metbuying.html Those list members new to buying meteorites may want to take a look at the page. -Walter -- www.branchmeteorites.com Walter Branch, Ph.D. Branch Meteorites PO Box 60492 Savannah, GA 31420 - Original Message - From: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Cottingham [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 1:12 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: [MeteoriteCollectors] BS AD: 20% offeverything on ... Michael, Why don't I PRAISE some of the CHEAPEST prices around? Read my article this month in METEORITE TIMES. If you read that and STILL can't figure out why I don't PRAISE some of the CHEAPEST prices around? Let me make it clear right here: When you offer merchandise for a given price, then offer the same material later for less - then, if you don't sell all of it at that price, you offer it later for even less - over and over and over, as you do, Michael, you create several effects that go far beyond your personal reality. For one thing, you give buyers the message they should never buy now, wait, and the price will go down (however, this only badly hurts all dealers, not necessarily the collectors.). However, you ALSO burn ALL your own customers who paid more for this material when you originally offered it. I buy something from you for $3.50/g and 2 weeks later you drop the price to $1.75/g - I feel RIPPED OFF. (perhaps you STILL don't get this, despite doing this to all of us who invested heavily in Wagon Wheel - which you, then proceeded to GIVE AWAY. Those of us in for $3.50 a gram felt really burned and I, for one, told you that strait to your face and I KNOW several others who did as well.) ALSO, when you do this, there is NO STABILITY in the meteorite market. Low prices, I am all for it. My collection has never been gaining weight so fast. I can make just as much money dealing low priced material as high priced material. No problem. It is the instability that TOTALLY destabilizes everything It really doesn't matter (on a market level) whether meteorites are cheap or expensive - of course, as a collector, I prefer them cheap - but as a dealer, I don't care one way or the other. WHAT I DO CARE ABOUT IS STABILITY. Without it, neither collectors OR dealers can conduct business in a sane manor. Your CONSTANT fire sales followed by even greater fire sales undermine that stability entirely. No one can reckon the value of material, because the prices are running all over the board. But you get your cash in hand NOW and that is all you care about. So, Michael, THAT is why I don't praise some of the cheapest prices around. Get it? Or, is it STILL too subtle for you? I resent it as a collector and I resent it as a dealer. Sincerely, Michael Blood on 10/8/03 12:27 AM, Michael Cottingham at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Maybe I just really don't want to sell that piece that bad!!! Hey ...why don't you look at the other pieces and PRAISE some of the CHEAPEST prices around! Really folks ...don't look for ghosts on this one. Either buy the pieces or don't. It is all up front and it is a public sale. Michael Michael Cottingham - Original Message - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 1:18 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: [MeteoriteCollectors] BS AD: 20% off everything on ... it resolves with these useless sentences Matteo --- Michael Cottingham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is something else Michael - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 1:05 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: [MeteoriteCollectors] BS AD: 20% off everything on ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Matteo and Michael Blood should go back to bed...you nit wits! C'mon Michael (C.) - that doesn't really address Michael (B.)'s inquiry about your discount pricing. If it's just a (moderately-insulting) marketing ploy to get the same net amount of money for a rock, just say so. If it's something else, just say so. I'm speaking as a past customercould you please answer the question? Gregory = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors
Re: [meteorite-list] New Orleans strike...
A bulk analysis of small mm samples of a chondrite might not reflect the bulk analysis of a larger contiguous sample that represents the structure of the entire mass. So, before any conclusions are made it might be best to wait for that bulk analysis made from a larger sample.. Steve Schoner/ams Dave Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi,Just wondered if anyone has any of the 23rd Sept New Orleans strike?Because amazingly enough I have!!I have a friend in NO and he recovered some samples from the gutters using alarge magnet. He is a professional geologist at the local uni and has verykindly sent me a mm-sized fragment that he recovered legitimately! Hehasalso supplied an initial analysis, and he says:"I got the first batch of data, high Mg-olivine, 32-44 % MgO, 11-16 % FeO,plus 0.5 % MnO! Rather surprising, a bit high for a meteorite. Thepyroxenes are diopsidic to hgh Mg-pigeonitic. And the plagioclases aresurprisingly Na-rich for a meteorite, over 8% Na2O. A weird meteorite"Maybe someone can advise me as to the nearest equivalent fall by looking atthis profile.I am rather proud of it and feel the overwhelming urge to boast about it, asthere is very little in my collection to impress!Share in my joy please!very bestdaveIMCA #0092__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search
[meteorite-list] Concerning your branchmeteorites.com/metbuying.html page...
Hi Walter, In reference to your email to the MetList at 4:31 PM this afternoon: I thought What a fine thing to do for the meteorite community in general. Walter would certainly be the person who would do a bang-up job on a page like this. I immediately linked to the page with a great deal of anticipation. Walter, I'm sorry, but I can't get past the first paragraph without doubling over with laughter. I am only going to give you hints as to why. #1. Sure makes me wish I could return to novice status. #2. A spell-checker wouldn't catch this- but you may want to _take heed_ as to why not. Thanks, Walter. I'm still giggling. Jerry Wallace PS...Walter, at first I was just going to send this to you...but it's just too good not to share it. My apologies for any embarrasment I might cause you. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: [MeteoriteCollectors] BS AD: 20% offeverything on ...
Here is an idea.. Reputable retailers (like at the mall) will give you a reduction in price ifan item you buy goes on sale within a reasonable amount of time. Why wouldn't this work for meteorite dealers? Example If I sell XXX meteorite this week for $100- per gram and then put it on sale next week for $50- per gram, I give a partial refund to everyone who bought it from me the first week. Randy From: Michael L Blood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Michael Cottingham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,M come Meteorite Meteorites <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: [MeteoriteCollectors] BS AD: 20% offeverything on ... Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 10:12:05 -0700 Michael, Why don't I "PRAISE some of the CHEAPEST prices around?" Read my article this month in METEORITE TIMES. If you read that and STILL can't figure out why I don't "PRAISE some of the CHEAPEST prices around?" Let me make it clear right here: When you offer merchandise for a given price, then offer the same material later for less - then, if you don't sell all of it at that price, you offer it later for even less - over and over and over, as you do, Michael, you create several effects that go far beyond your personal reality. For one thing, you give buyers the message they should never buy now, wait, and the price will go down (however, this only badly hurts all dealers, not necessarily the collectors.). However, you ALSO burn ALL your own customers who paid more for this material when you originally offered it. I buy something from you for $3.50/g and 2 weeks later you drop the price to $1.75/g - I feel RIPPED OFF. (perhaps you STILL don't get this, despite doing this to all of us who invested heavily in Wagon Wheel - which you, then proceeded to GIVE AWAY. Those of us in for $3.50 a gram felt really burned and I, for one, told you that strait to your face and I KNOW several others who did as well.) ALSO, when you do this, there is NO STABILITY in the meteorite market. Low prices, I am all for it. My collection has never been "gaining weight" so fast. I can make just as much money dealing low priced material as high priced material. No problem. It is the instability that TOTALLY destabilizes everything It really doesn't matter (on a market level) whether meteorites are "cheap" or "expensive" - of course, as a collector, I prefer them cheap - but as a dealer, I don't care one way or the other. WHAT I DO CARE ABOUT IS STABILITY. Without it, neither collectors OR dealers can conduct business in a sane manor. Your CONSTANT "fire sales" followed by even greater fire sales undermine that stability entirely. No one can reckon the "value" of material, because the prices are running all over the board. But you get your cash in hand NOW and that is all you care about. So, Michael, THAT is why I don't "praise some of the cheapest prices around." Get it? Or, is it STILL too subtle for you? I resent it as a collector and I resent it as a dealer. Sincerely, Michael Blood on 10/8/03 12:27 AM, Michael Cottingham at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Maybe I just really don't want to sell that piece that bad!!! Hey ...why don't you look at the other pieces and PRAISE some of the CHEAPEST prices around! Really folks ...don't look for ghosts on this one. Either buy the pieces or don't. It is all up front and it is a public sale. Michael Michael Cottingham - Original Message - From: "M come Meteorite Meteorites" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 1:18 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: [MeteoriteCollectors] BS AD: 20% off everything on ... it resolves with these useless sentences Matteo --- Michael Cottingham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: It is something else Michael - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 1:05 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: [MeteoriteCollectors] BS AD: 20% off everything on ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Matteo and Michael Blood should go back to bed...you nit wits! C'mon Michael (C.) - that doesn't really address Michael (B.)'s inquiry about your "discount" pricing. If it's just a (moderately-insulting) marketing ploy to get the same net amount of money for a rock, just say so. If it's something else, just say so. I'm speaking as a past customercould you please answer the question? Gregory = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN
Re: [meteorite-list] PRL To Unravel India Meteor Mystery
WOWZER! All this from a common L5 (most likely) Meteorite? Randy From: Ron Baalke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Meteorite Mailing List) Subject: [meteorite-list] PRL To Unravel India Meteor Mystery Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 09:44:55 -0700 (PDT) http://cities.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=65145 PRL to unravel meteor mystery Ahmedabad Newsline (India) October 7, 2003 Ahmedabad: A piece of rock is the centre of attraction at Physical Research Laboratory (PRL), Ahmedabad these days. The 250-gm rock piece that holds the promise of unravelling the many mysteries of solar system, is a part of the meteorite that landed in Orissa on September 27, and has been brought here by a team of PRL scientists. Although the scientists here are not sure of the age of the rock at the moment, looking at the chondrules (small rounded structures on the rock), they say it appears to be part of some of the most primitive material in space. Scientists say since the rock is radioactive, tests can reveal its age and its detailed study will help them infer what happened in the solar system way back. "This rock (meteorite) is no ordinary piece of stone, as it has in it imprints of the changes that have taken place in the space during the last 4.6 billion years," said a scientist from PRL who visited Orissa. PRL scientists say the iron veins in the rock suggest that after its formation, the rock was subjected to intense heat, following which iron must have flowed into the cracks. A meteorite is a piece of extra-terrestrial solid mass that has survived atmospheric friction and landed on earth. Scientists say when these pieces of extra-terrestrial rocks orbiting the solar system collide with each other, they leave their orbits and travel through earth's atmosphere to land on earth. Usually, a major chunk of the rocks burn during their passage, but whatever matter survive the friction and reach the earth are mines of information. Scientists at PRL say these "meteoric rains" are very important as they provide us with "free samples" of rocks from space. PRL scientists said the rock will be a subject of intense study to find out details about its mineralogy, composition, history and various other factors. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Instant message with integrated webcam using MSN Messenger 6.0. Try it now FREE __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Concerning your branchmeteorites.com/metbuying.html page...
Walter: You are certainly a crafty guy. Your subtle sense of humor is admirable. Keep up the good work! Dave Hi Walter, In reference to your email to the MetList at 4:31 PM this afternoon: I thought What a fine thing to do for the meteorite community in general. Walter would certainly be the person who would do a bang-up job on a page like this. I immediately linked to the page with a great deal of anticipation. Walter, I'm sorry, but I can't get past the first paragraph without doubling over with laughter. I am only going to give you hints as to why. #1. Sure makes me wish I could return to novice status. #2. A spell-checker wouldn't catch this- but you may want to _take heed_ as to why not. Thanks, Walter. I'm still giggling. Jerry Wallace PS...Walter, at first I was just going to send this to you...but it's just too good not to share it. My apologies for any embarrasment I might cause you. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Understanding ROCKS from Meteorites and other notions
Dear List; If you are rather new to meteorites and rocks.and the difference between the two is confusing, try visiting Bob's Rockshop Website, the home of Rock and Gem Magazine. There are plenty of links for your study of rocks. My favorite rock book for my education is The Audubon Society Field Guide to North American Rocks and Minerals. This book has a zillion color pictures, tons of reading about minerals and the rocks that are made up of minerals. Bob doesn't really have a rock shophe has a magazine and a web site! There is, at Bob's Rock Shop web site, a link to the North American Federation of Mineralogical Societies, where one can look up one's home state to find a list of all of the rock clubs in your state, Arizona has 24 clubs listed. I recommend for new rock collectors that thirst for knowledge of rocks and the relationship between rocks and rocks from space to join a rock club and bring in all of your locally found meteorwrong specimens for help in identifying them from space rocks. Club members love a new challenge and new member interest. There already may be meteorite collectors in the club. For meteorite help, try Rocks From Space by O. Richard Norton for your first book. Most larger libraries have it if you can not afford one today. Hope this helps, Dave Freeman A very proud rockhound too! ebay user ID mjwy With items now posted. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Check this ebay add out!!!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2194471420 Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Garza Impact Display and Other Concerns
Dear List Members, It is with deep regret that we have to announce that the Garza bedroom interpretative impact display will not debut in Tucson 2004. As most of you know this project was to be managed in a partnership between Adam and Greg Hupe (66.6%) and R.A. Langheinrich Meteorites, A.k.a. the Langs (33.4%). We tried everything short of a full-blown legal remedy to complete this project because of a falling out between the Langs and us. The current status of the display is that it is being stored in New York where we have been denied access even though we paid most of the costs associated with it. We worked with a well-known mediator to try to negotiate the purchase of the Langs' share of this display and settle other accounts and reached a dead end (no response). We consulted two attorneys and threatened legal action but still no response therefor we will be unable to make the deadline. This is not the first time a partnership with the Langs has disintegrated but hopefully it will be the last. We were saddened to hear that this kind of thing has happened in the past. Several ex-partners of theirs approached us after hearing of the problems and said they wished they could have warned us. Even if they had we probably would not have believed them because the Langs are very likeable and we had a good level of trust and respect before being invited to partner with them. This brings about another point; we declined participation in the Westward Look Resort 2004 show at Tucson because this would mean continuing a failed partnership. We would not have aired this in public but we were not given a chance to tell our side of the story. Al Lang, lacking professional ethics, took it upon himself to make several false statements regarding us at the Springfield show and on other occasions. Since we were not in attendance we had no chance to debate these false claims. We always behaved in an honorable, open and fair way regarding past business and therefor have nothing to hide. Anybody who has any questions or concerns is welcome to call us, email us and we will provide you with our phone number. We would be very happy to back up our side of the story with emails, receipts, statements and affidavits. Several collectors felt uneasy about what they heard and have already contacted us. This is the reason we are inviting those who are unsure what to believe to contact us. We are not asking anybody to choose sides because some of you have been friends with the Langs for years and most were treated fairly. We are just asking for the opportunity to be heard and clear up any reputation concerns. Wishing everybody the best, Adam and Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection IMCA 2185 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Concerning your branchmeteorites.com/metbuying.html page...
Hi Jerry, Ha! I just found (and corrected) that. Don't know how long that was there! -Walter -- www.branchmeteorites.com Walter Branch, Ph.D. Branch Meteorites PO Box 60492 Savannah, GA 31420 - Original Message - From: Jerry A. Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 7:32 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Concerning your branchmeteorites.com/metbuying.html page... Hi Walter, In reference to your email to the MetList at 4:31 PM this afternoon: I thought What a fine thing to do for the meteorite community in general. Walter would certainly be the person who would do a bang-up job on a page like this. I immediately linked to the page with a great deal of anticipation. Walter, I'm sorry, but I can't get past the first paragraph without doubling over with laughter. I am only going to give you hints as to why. #1. Sure makes me wish I could return to novice status. #2. A spell-checker wouldn't catch this- but you may want to _take heed_ as to why not. Thanks, Walter. I'm still giggling. Jerry Wallace PS...Walter, at first I was just going to send this to you...but it's just too good not to share it. My apologies for any embarrasment I might cause you. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Happy Birthday Peekskill
Greetings Dear Listees: Eleven years ago today -- on October 9, 1992, at around 8 pm -- the Peekskill meteorite pummelled Michelle Knapp's Chevy Malibu as it sat innocently in her driveway. During the intervening years, Peekskill has become one of the most sought-after witnessed falls, and on the rare occasions that pieces are offered for sale they are quickly snapped up by collectors. The car itself is owned by List member Allan Lang, and a history of the Peekskill Car and its travels to some of the world's great museums can be found on a special page of the R.A. Langheinrich Meteorites website at: http://www.nyrockman.com/peekskill.htm Last year, for the tenth anniversary of the fall, I wrote a short news item for Joel Schiff's Meteorite magazine, and I include the text, below, for those who may not have seen it. Regards to all, Geoff N. ** [ Published in Meteorite magazine, Vol. 8, No. 4 ] PARKING METEOR By Geoffrey Notkin This month marks the tenth anniversary of the best-known meteoritic event in recent history. Everyone it seems - even those with no particular interest in the field - has heard about the meteorite that hit that car in New York. The meteorite was a 12,570 gram H6, and that car was a cherry red 1981 Chevy Malibu. On the evening of October 9, 1992 officers from the Peekskill Police Department arrived at the Knapp family home to investigate a disturbance. Their initial impression - upon seeing the caved-in corner of Michelle Knapp's car - was that it had suffered criminal mischief by a very strong male. Once the truth had been discovered, a consortium of collectors purchased the stone, and it suffered the fate of most unique and sought-after meteorites: dissection by diamond-tipped saw. Pieces can today be seen in museums, and collectors' cabinets throughout the world. The Peekskill Meteorite Car itself, is owned by R.A. Langheinrich Meteorites, and over the past ten years it has become a one-of-a-kind international celebrity. Traveling nearly as far as the stone that hit it, the Malibu has been a star attraction at the American Museum of Natural History in New York; the annual Tucson Gem and Mineral Show; and has visited Japan, Germany, France, and Switzerland to the delight of thousands of visitors. When the car is at home, Allan Lang puts it to good use: last year, he and some friends watched the spectacular Leonid meteor shower from inside the vehicle. It's a portable impact crater, Allan muses. And you don't see too many of those around. Visit www.nyrockman.com/peekskill.htm to learn more about the car. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Attention, more ebay SPOOF emails
Dear List members; There are fraudulent ebay email requests flying around that seem to be genuine ebay requests for credit card information. I have contacted/reported a number of these to ebay and have received notice that they were fraudulent email requests from a third party. PLEASE do not open attachments, or provide any credit card information as these are attempts to steal credit card information. Forward all such suspect requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] They can confirm/not confirm the spoof within a couple of minutes. Sincerely, Dave Freeman __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
