RE: [meteorite-list] Re: OT: MOON TRAVEL?
It's strange, I thought I would be excited about man going to Mars and back to the moon!, but actually (assuming politics allow in anycase) if this happens it will mean diverting all funding away from exciting projects like the Mars Exploration Rovers (where genuine science can happen at low cost). If this goes ahead, I fear the US will be pumping funds into a really deep dark hole In any case the physical constraints of radiation shielding mean that a man in a heavy space suit couldn't walk on the surface for more than a few hours without getting nuked. What's the point of that? Better still would be to build a mars orbiting space station where decent robots can be controlled in real-time and then bring up samples to analyse in orbiting science labs. Here's my idea: Stick a couple of boosters on the international spacestation, surround it with liquid water shielding and send it to orbit mars ! My 1.9p woth Mark Ford The information contained in this email may be commercially sensitive and/or legally privileged. It is intended solely for the person(s) to whom it is addressed. If you are not a named recipient, you are on notice of its status. Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this message from your system. You must not disclose it to any other person, copy or distribute it or use it for any purpose. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Re: OT: MOON TRAVEL?
It's just another confirming revelation of how important comets are to everything that we know or do. We are going to the moon to process the remains of comet impacts that will provide us with the fuel to explore the solar system with some BIG ships. Over 90% of the weight of our existing rockets is in the fuel necessary to escape our planet with some relatively small payloads. Just think of the kinds of vehicles we can launch from the moon! Comets have caused drastic changes in the earth's environment, and if it were not for them, we would not be here to contemplate them. They also seed the solar system with the primitive amino acids that are the building blocks of life. Again, we would not be here without them. I think that going back to the moon is the most intelligent decision this country has made in a long time, and it is really all about comets! Go NASA! CharlyV -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mark ford Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 4:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Re: OT: MOON TRAVEL? It's strange, I thought I would be excited about man going to Mars and back to the moon!, but actually (assuming politics allow in anycase) if this happens it will mean diverting all funding away from exciting projects like the Mars Exploration Rovers (where genuine science can happen at low cost). If this goes ahead, I fear the US will be pumping funds into a really deep dark hole In any case the physical constraints of radiation shielding mean that a man in a heavy space suit couldn't walk on the surface for more than a few hours without getting nuked. What's the point of that? Better still would be to build a mars orbiting space station where decent robots can be controlled in real-time and then bring up samples to analyse in orbiting science labs. Here's my idea: Stick a couple of boosters on the international spacestation, surround it with liquid water shielding and send it to orbit mars ! My 1.9p woth Mark Ford The information contained in this email may be commercially sensitive and/or legally privileged. It is intended solely for the person(s) to whom it is addressed. If you are not a named recipient, you are on notice of its status. Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this message from your system. You must not disclose it to any other person, copy or distribute it or use it for any purpose. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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[meteorite-list] Spirit Rolls All Six Wheels Onto Martian Soil
MEDIA RELATIONS OFFICE JET PROPULSION LABORATORY CALIFORNIA INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY NATIONAL AERONAUTICS AND SPACE ADMINISTRATION PASADENA, CALIFORNIA 91109. TELEPHONE (818) 354-5011 http://www.jpl.nasa.gov Guy Webster (818) 354-5011 Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. Donald Savage (202) 358-1547 NASA Headquarters, Washington, D.C. NEWS RELEASE: 2004-020 January 15, 2004 Spirit Rolls All Six Wheels Onto Martian Soil NASA's Mars Exploration Rover Spirit successfully drove off its lander platform and onto the soil of Mars early today. The robot's first picture looking back at the now-empty lander and showing wheel tracks in the soil set off cheers from the robot's flight team at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. Spirit is now ready to start its mission of exploration and discovery. We have six wheels in the dirt, said JPL Director Dr. Charles Elachi. Since Spirit landed inside Mars' Gusev Crater on Jan. 3 (PST and EST; Jan. 4 Universal Time), JPL engineers have put it through a careful sequence of unfolding, standing up, checking its surroundings and other steps leading up to today's drive-off. It has taken an incredible effort by an incredible group of people, said Mars Exploration Rover Project Manager Peter Theisinger of JPL. The drive moved Spirit 3 meters (10 feet) in 78 seconds, ending with the back of the rover about 80 centimeters (2.6 feet) away from the foot of the egress ramp, said JPL's Joel Krajewski, leader of the team that developed the sequence of events from landing to drive- off. The flight time sent the command for the drive-off at 12:21 a.m. PST today and received data confirming the event at 1:53 a.m. PST. The data showed that the rover completed the drive-off at 08:41 Universal Time (12:41 a.m. PST). There was a great sigh of relief from me, said JPL's Kevin Burke, lead mechanical engineer for the drive-off. We are now on the surface of Mars. With the rover on the ground, an international team of scientists assembled at JPL will be making daily decisions about how to use the rover for examining rocks, soils and atmosphere with a suite of scientific instruments onboard. Now, we are the mission that we all envisioned three-and-a-half years ago, and that's tremendously exciting, said JPL's Jennifer Trosper, mission manager. JPL engineer Chris Lewicki, flight director, said It's as if we get to drive a nice sports car, but in the end we're just the valets who bring it around to the front and give the keys to the science team. Spirit was launched from Cape Canaveral Air Force Station, Fla., on June 10, 2003. Now that it is on Mars, its task is to spend the rest of its mission exploring for clues in rocks and soil about whether the past environment in Gusev Crater was ever watery and suitable to sustain life. Spirit's twin Mars Exploration Rover, Opportunity, will reach Mars on Jan. 25 (EST and Universal Time; 9:05 p.m., Jan. 24, PST) to begin a similar examination of a site on the opposite side of the planet. JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena, manages the Mars Exploration Rover project for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. Images and additional information about the project are available from JPL at http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov and from Cornell University, Ithaca, N.Y., at http://athena.cornell.edu/ -end- __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Puzzle
Hi, I recently bought a Gold basin meteorite puzzle. Should this be put back together with a permanent glue or is there somthing else to use . It would be nice to put back together, but once it's glued thats it. Thanks Sonny
[meteorite-list] Six-Wheeling on Mars: Spirit Rover Drives Off Lander
http://www.spaceflightnow.com/mars/mera/040115drive.html Six-wheeling on Mars: Spirit rover drives off lander BY WILLIAM HARWOOD STORY WRITTEN FOR CBS NEWS SPACE PLACE USED WITH PERMISSION January 15, 2004 The command ordering the Spirit rover to roll off its lander and onto the surface of Mars was transmitted at 3:21:30 a.m. EST. Flight, I have alpha, alpha, charlie, tango, underscore, romeo, two-one, niner-six, decimal alpha, decimal zero, zero in the radiation cue, a controller informed flight director Chris Lewicki when the instructions were ready to go. OK, alpha, alpha, charlie, tango, underscore, romeo, two-one, niner-six, decimal alpha, decimal zero, zero, Lewicki confirmed. This is our command (for) the most significant 3-meter drive in recorded history. The control team laughed. That's a good readback, you're clear to radiate. On my mark, the controller replied. Three, two, one, mark! And with that, coded instructions began racing toward Mars, more than 100 million miles away, where the Spirit lander sat patiently atop its lander, poised for roll off. It would take an hour and a half for the rover to complete its slow move off the lander's northwest egress aid and onto the surface, to find the sun, reorient its high-gain antenna and radio telemetry back to the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, confirming its initial foray. As the waiting began, mission manager Jennifer Trosper cued up the theme song from the TV series Rawhide and the familiar refrain rollin', rollin', rollin' blared out in the flight control room. It was the moment the engineers and scientists had been waiting for since Spirit bounced to a successful landing on Mars Jan. 3. This is a night that is extraordinarily rich in significance for all of us, certainly for those of us on the science team and I know for everybody here as well, principal investigator Steve Squyres told the team. When I first presented this long-term (exploration) plan to the public a couple of days ago, I said it was rich in scientific potential. But I also said it was going to be a shared adventure unlike any other in human history. When I said that, what I meant for the press and the public was that it was an adventure we would share with the whole world. But on a much deeper and more personal level, it's an adventure that I'm just incredibly proud to share with the people in this room and this team. And so, when we see that picture (showing the lander in the background) and everybody starts getting all choked up and running around hugging people again, please forgive me. Thanks. Finally, at 4:53 a.m., a controller called out: We have carrier in lock, meaning NASA's Deep Space Network tracking antennas once again were receiving a signal from Spirit. Five minutes later, a controller reported telemetry confirmed that Spirit had, in fact, moved three meters, or about 9.8 feet from its starting point atop the lander. Sounds like it was a nice trip, Lewicki said. All we need now are the pictures. Then, two minutes later, the first grainy black-and-white thumbnail image from a rear-facing navigation camera came in, clearly showing the lander, perched atop its crumpled airbags, in the background. Spirit was finally on the surface of Mars and the flight team burst into cheers and applause. Squyres embraced Lewicki and science manager John Callas gave Trosper a bouquet of flowers. That's a big relief! said Rob Manning, the engineer who oversaw Spirit's entry, descent and landing 12 days ago. We're on Mars. Spirit has landed. Project manager Pete Theisinger held up a T-shirt with an image of the rover on one side, along with the words My other car is on Mars!!! Then someone cued up the song Who Let The Dogs Out? A few minutes later, a higher resolution image came in, clearly showing Spirit's two back wheels and ruddy tire tracks leading back to the lander's egress aids. Martian soil could be seen clumped up on the rear left wheel as the team once again burst into cheers. Our wheels are finally dirty, Manning observed. This is very exciting. What a relief. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mars Express Update - January 15, 2004
http://www.esa.int/export/SPECIALS/Mars_Express/SEM5DT374OD_0.html Mars Express Status report European Space Agency 15 January 2004 ESA's Mars Express spacecraft is currently in a near-final orbit around Mars with a period of 10 hours. Flight controllers are now isolating the main engine, which fired for the last time on 11 January, finishing its work on the mission after performing flawlessly. To complete the manoeuvre into its final operational orbit, Mars Express will make a series of seven firings of its small thrusters, the first on 15 January and the last on the 26 January. The final orbital period will be 7.6 hours. All instruments have successfully been switched on, and have started to deliver data (except for the boom deployment of the radar which is planned for April, in accordance with the science planning of the mission). __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Puzzle
Dear Sonny; Congratulation on having a puzzle, for gosh sakes don't sell off parts of it...unless it it to a valued friend so you can compare pieces with at your annual Tucson Show reunion. I personally wouldn't glue it, would ruin the puzzle effect. If you want a whole gold basin, which would be the result of gluing, why not just buy a whole gold basin? Save the glue for repairing accidents, not puzzles.. But, do keep the family together...sort of like selling one's reference books and then begging answers from ones friends :-\ Best wishes, Dave F. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I recently bought a Gold basin meteorite puzzle. Should this be put back together with a permanent glue or is there somthing else to use . It would be nice to put back together, but once it's glued thats it. Thanks Sonny __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Puzzle
Sonny, Maybe you could glue some of it together but put plastic or wood spacers on some of the pieces so that they are held say half an inch from each other so that the rock looks 'exploded' ( so then you can see inside too, and still get an idea of the original shape. I have seen this done with fossils and similar. Look here to see what I mean : http://www.uke.uni-hamburg.de/zentren/experimentelle_medizin/informatik/ vm3dn/bs_exploded.html Just a thought? Mark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 January 2004 16:52 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Puzzle Hi, I recently bought a Gold basin meteorite puzzle. Should this be put back together with a permanent glue or is there somthing else to use . It would be nice to put back together, but once it's glued thats it. Thanks Sonny The information contained in this email may be commercially sensitive and/or legally privileged. It is intended solely for the person(s) to whom it is addressed. If you are not a named recipient, you are on notice of its status. Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this message from your system. You must not disclose it to any other person, copy or distribute it or use it for any purpose. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Puzzle
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 January 2004 16:52 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Puzzle Hi, I recently bought a Gold basin meteorite puzzle. Should this be put back together with a permanent glue or is there somthing else to use . It would be nice to put back together, but once it's glued thats it. Thanks Sonny This is just the personal opinion of a novice but if I were fortunate enough to own a meteorite puzzle I think I'd display all the parts in a single suitably sized tray of sand or something similar. Just seeing it like that would invite me or others to put it back together again over and over. It would certainly be the centerpiece of MY modest collection..Mike __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Puzzle
OR, Maybe glue small pieces of Velcro on the broken surfaces and you can have the best of both worlds? Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier IMCA 6168 - Original Message - From: M Taliento [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 10:35 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Puzzle -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 January 2004 16:52 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Puzzle Hi, I recently bought a Gold basin meteorite puzzle. Should this be put back together with a permanent glue or is there somthing else to use . It would be nice to put back together, but once it's glued thats it. Thanks Sonny This is just the personal opinion of a novice but if I were fortunate enough to own a meteorite puzzle I think I'd display all the parts in a single suitably sized tray of sand or something similar. Just seeing it like that would invite me or others to put it back together again over and over. It would certainly be the centerpiece of MY modest collection..Mike __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Bush's Space Initiative
They found oil there? Or do they have to place the Moon car there, before the VLT in Chile is ready? Martin A. - Original Message - From: Christopher Scott To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 7:04 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bush's Space Initiative This is still NOT proven and in fact, there is evidence there is little or not water on the Moon. When they crashed Clementine into a shadowed crater thought to have water ice, none was seen in the debris. The ISS is fragile and not really a great place to work. Microgravity is very difficult to work in. The Moon would be a much better place and much easier to work in and leave out from. Besides, we need to learn to work on the surface of another planet and the Moon would be a great place to do just that. Christopher - Original Message - From: Tom aka James Knudson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 9:45 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bush's Space Initiative Hi John, From what I understood from awhile back, the ice that is on the moons poles(?) would save them a lot of water hauling from earth. With the escape velocity so much less on the Moon, they would have an easier time launching a rocket full of water (fordrinking and such)on the way to mars from there as opposed to the Earth. Thanks, TomPeregrineflier IMCA 6168 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 10:37 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Bush's Space Initiative As there are quite a few space savvy folks on this listjust asking a question pertaining to Bush's speech. He said the moon was the logical place to initiate space exploration missions. Yet the moon has harsh environmental challenges.and it seems those challenges are less on Mars. Only the distance is a problem. It would seem to me that a space station orbiting Earth would be the better place to initiate trips to Mars and beyond? John
RE: [meteorite-list] OT: MOON TRAVEL?
Don't get your hopes up too high guys. This is just a another in a long line ofre-election gimicks by President Chimpy. Randy Rethink your business approach for the new year with the helpful tips here. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Puzzle
Hello Sonny and list, Sonny wondered "I recently bought a Gold basin meteorite puzzle. Should this be put back together with a permanent glue or is there somthing else to use . It would be nice to put back together, but once it's glued thats it." You could always remove the glue later if wanted, however, as a collector of meteorite puzzles I prefer them unglued. Iown maybe 20 meteorite puzzles, most of them Gold Basin, my favorite being a Bob Verish and team found 800g Nevada stone. The only bad thingis due to their nature, none of my puzzle meteorites are displayed. I know several other list members have a puzzle meteorite or two, so perhaps if there is interest(?), I will build a puzzle meteorite gallery on my website for everyone to share photos of puzzle meteorites in their collection. I have a small meteorite puzzle webpage but could expand it quite a bit. http://www.meteoritearticles.com/goldbasinpuzzle.html Most of the meteorite puzzles separated after impact and through the process of weathering, broke apart and moved away from each other. One has to wonder why in Gold Basin puzzles are quite common. Puzzled, Mark Bostick www.meteoritearticles.com
RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Puzzle
Is there a way that you could magnetize the pieces enough to stick together? our use little magnets inbetween the pieces. Howard Wumark ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sonny,Maybe you could glue some of it together but put plastic or woodspacers on some of the pieces so that they are held say half an inchfrom each other so that the rock looks 'exploded' ( so then you can seeinside too, and still get an idea of the original shape. I have seenthis done with fossils and similar.Look here to see what I mean :http://www.uke.uni-hamburg.de/zentren/experimentelle_medizin/informatik/vm3dn/bs_exploded.htmlJust a thought?Mark-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 January 2004 16:52To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite PuzzleHi,I recently bought a Gold basin meteorite puzzle. Should this be put backtogether with a permanent glue or is there somthing else to use . Itwould be nice to put back together, but once it's glued thats it.Thanks SonnyThe information contained in this email may be commercially sensitive and/orlegally privileged. It is intended solely for the person(s) to whom it isaddressed. If you are not a named recipient, you are on notice of its status.Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and then delete thismessage from your system. You must not disclose it to any other person,copy or distribute it or use it for any purpose.__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Puzzle
Sonny, you are one fortunate person. It really is a puzzle in the true sense of the word, so I hope you never lose or damage any of the pieces ... You have a lot of nice suggestions, I just felt the impulse to add my 2 centavos to the mix. Personally, I would be concerned with all the handling the puzzle might get, and also the extra care and worry one might have depending on who was handling it ... kids, me, etc. So I would just have some fun making a reproduction of each individual piece. There must be some real experts on the list to do that. I would probably put them carefully in warmed shrink wrap (Saran), maybe carefully gently and vigilently warming afterwards to release tension, coat it in Turtle Wax and let dry, and then buy some plaster at the hardware store, use it moderately difficient in water, in a slick container, set it half way buried, then lay another level of saran or wax paper girdling the precious original's equator, and build up with plaster to make the top mold, applying enough pressure. Then I'd remove the original from the mold, and if all went well, paint the inside of the plaster mold with a sealant that can be waxed, an use clay or portland cement to make a copy. Then I'd be very proud of my puzzle cast from extraterrestrial material and everyone could play with the puzzle as much as they wanted to, and the original could be held for special handling and displayed in a sandbox, etc. If the meteorite could be magnitized, or put on a strong magnetic base (sounds like these are not the right things to do, but an idea to ponder anyway for a 3-D magnetic puzzle copy, for example), that would be a real conversation piece and you wouldn't even need velcro... Reassembling it, even in a very attractive exploded view like the example, which I would definitely do with the second one if I had two original puzzles, would be restrictive for my tastes on my only piece, since I'd want to study and enjoy it's inside conveniently. Actually, if it weren't my meteorite to study as long as I liked, I might even like to see it that way most. There are probably experts here who will laugh at my thoughts on making the puzzle, if there would be a better way I'd like to be let in on it. I just hope that it is not too risky and of course it is just as easy to practice on a piece of concrete and asphalt first to hone in on the best course for the original. Hope this helps. And if you become proficient and start selling copies, a signed puzzle for me would be great on an otherwise uneventful day:) Saludos, Doug Mexico En un mensaje con fecha 01/15/2004 10:55:23 AM Mexico Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribe: Asunto: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Puzzle Fecha: 01/15/2004 10:55:23 AM Mexico Standard Time De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Enviado por Internet Hi, I recently bought a Gold basin meteorite puzzle. Should this be put back together with a permanent glue or is there somthing else to use . It would be nice to put back together, but once it's glued thats it. Thanks Sonny
Re: [meteorite-list] Bush's Space Initiative
In a strange way yes. The apollo astronaut discovered helium 3 which at a billion dollars a ton is energy equivalent to oil at seven dollars a barrel if we can figure out how to use it. The Chinese think this can be done by the time they set up there moon base and we don't want to be left behind, so says Bush's science advisors. Perhaps we can get him to volunteer for the first mars mission, one way. Howard WuMartin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They found oil there? Or do they have to place the Moon car there, before the VLT in Chile is ready? Martin A. - Original Message - From: Christopher Scott To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 7:04 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bush's Space Initiative This is still NOT proven and in fact, there is evidence there is little or not water on the Moon. When they crashed Clementine into a shadowed crater thought to have water ice, none was seen in the debris. The ISS is fragile and not really a great place to work. Microgravity is very difficult to work in. The Moon would be a much better place and much easier to work in and leave out from. Besides, we need to learn to work on the surface of another planet and the Moon would be a great place to do just that. Christopher - Original Message - From: Tom aka James Knudson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 9:45 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bush's Space Initiative Hi John, From what I understood from awhile back, the ice that is on the moons poles(?) would save them a lot of water hauling from earth. With the escape velocity so much less on the Moon, they would have an easier time launching a rocket full of water (fordrinking and such)on the way to mars from there as opposed to the Earth. Thanks, TomPeregrineflier IMCA 6168 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 10:37 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Bush's Space Initiative As there are quite a few space savvy folks on this listjust asking a question pertaining to Bush's speech. He said the moon was the logical place to initiate space exploration missions. Yet the moon has harsh environmental challenges.and it seems those challenges are less on Mars. Only the distance is a problem. It would seem to me that a space station orbiting Earth would be the better place to initiate trips to Mars and beyond? John Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
Re: [meteorite-list] Bush's Space Initiative
Bush is looking at one contigency onlyand that is if China beats us back to the moon we will have the largest COMMUNIST NUKE owning country in command of the moon. Our strategic command of the skies will be gone, as will the safety of our satellites, both commercial and military. Possesion is 99% of the rule. Once any country sets up a permanent base on the moon they will have command of the high ground. I for one will feel much better if it is the good ole USA in control of the moon. Just my paranonia showing through. Mark M. Phoenix AZ - Original Message - From: Howard Wu To: Martin Altmann ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bush's Space Initiative In a strange way yes. The apollo astronaut discovered helium 3 which at a billion dollars a ton is energy equivalent to oil at seven dollars a barrel if we can figure out how to use it. The Chinese think this can be done by the time they set up there moon base and we don't want to be left behind, so says Bush's science advisors. Perhaps we can get him to volunteer for the first mars mission, one way. Howard WuMartin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They found oil there? Or do they have to place the Moon car there, before the VLT in Chile is ready? Martin A. - Original Message - From: Christopher Scott To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 7:04 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bush's Space Initiative This is still NOT proven and in fact, there is evidence there is little or not water on the Moon. When they crashed Clementine into a shadowed crater thought to have water ice, none was seen in the debris. The ISS is fragile and not really a great place to work. Microgravity is very difficult to work in. The Moon would be a much better place and much easier to work in and leave out from. Besides, we need to learn to work on the surface of another planet and the Moon would be a great place to do just that. Christopher - Original Message - From: Tom aka James Knudson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 9:45 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bush's Space Initiative Hi John, From what I understood from awhile back, the ice that is on the moons poles(?) would save them a lot of water hauling from earth. With the escape velocity so much less on the Moon, they would have an easier time launching a rocket full of water (fordrinking and such)on the way to mars from there as opposed to the Earth. Thanks, TomPeregrineflier IMCA 6168 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 10:37 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Bush's Space Initiative As there are quite a few space savvy folks on this listjust asking a question pertaining to Bush's speech. He said the moon was the logical place to initiate space exploration missions. Yet the moon has harsh environmental challenges.and it seems those challenges are less on Mars. Only the distance is a problem. It would seem to me that a space station orbiting Earth would be the better place to initiate trips to Mars and beyond? John Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Puzzle
If you wish to be able to de-glue them later, you can use the wax which is used for thin sections; You will find waxes that melt at 60 °C . Put your meteorites in an owen at 65 ° C. When they are in hot in mass, Put wax fragments between pieces and make it tight. When cooled down, you will have anice meteorite. Most waxes solves in Alcohol or similar non damageable liquid for meteorites. Wax seller will give you the name of the right liquid. 65 ° C will not affect you ordinary meteorites. - Original Message - From: Tom aka James Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; M Taliento [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 6:54 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Puzzle OR, Maybe glue small pieces of Velcro on the broken surfaces and you can have the best of both worlds? Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier IMCA 6168 - Original Message - From: M Taliento [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 10:35 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Puzzle -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 January 2004 16:52 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Puzzle Hi, I recently bought a Gold basin meteorite puzzle. Should this be put back together with a permanent glue or is there somthing else to use . It would be nice to put back together, but once it's glued thats it. Thanks Sonny This is just the personal opinion of a novice but if I were fortunate enough to own a meteorite puzzle I think I'd display all the parts in a single suitably sized tray of sand or something similar. Just seeing it like that would invite me or others to put it back together again over and over. It would certainly be the centerpiece of MY modest collection..Mike __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Bush's Space Initiative
Gosh and all those protestants, mesmerists and those who need two hands to eat a steak, but sorry - in the 18th century Frederick the Great of Germany already gave the Moon to one of his poets as reward of his writings. So no chance! Hm, I forgot about the Moon treaties, but I read some old space treatiesaccepted by the UN. According to them each nation, which is able to launch a spacecraft, is allowed to exploite all treasures of the space. The WHOLE space, not only the Moon. Well, poor aliens... o.k. You can keep the Moon, I prefer a galaxy cluster, it has more beef. Martin PS: China is not looking for control - with their population development, they just need soon a new supply of their famous and beloved MOON CAKES! - Original Message - From: Mark Miconi To: Howard Wu ; Martin Altmann ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 8:40 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bush's Space Initiative Bush is looking at one contigency onlyand that is if China beats us back to the moon we will have the largest COMMUNIST NUKE owning country in command of the moon. Our strategic command of the skies will be gone, as will the safety of our satellites, both commercial and military. Possesion is 99% of the rule. Once any country sets up a permanent base on the moon they will have command of the high ground. I for one will feel much better if it is the good ole USA in control of the moon. Just my paranonia showing through. Mark M. Phoenix AZ - Original Message - From: Howard Wu To: Martin Altmann ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bush's Space Initiative In a strange way yes. The apollo astronaut discovered helium 3 which at a billion dollars a ton is energy equivalent to oil at seven dollars a barrel if we can figure out how to use it. The Chinese think this can be done by the time they set up there moon base and we don't want to be left behind, so says Bush's science advisors. Perhaps we can get him to volunteer for the first mars mission, one way. Howard WuMartin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They found oil there? Or do they have to place the Moon car there, before the VLT in Chile is ready? Martin A. - Original Message - From: Christopher Scott To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 7:04 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bush's Space Initiative This is still NOT proven and in fact, there is evidence there is little or not water on the Moon. When they crashed Clementine into a shadowed crater thought to have water ice, none was seen in the debris. The ISS is fragile and not really a great place to work. Microgravity is very difficult to work in. The Moon would be a much better place and much easier to work in and leave out from. Besides, we need to learn to work on the surface of another planet and the Moon would be a great place to do just that. Christopher - Original Message - From: Tom aka James Knudson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 9:45 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bush's Space Initiative Hi John, From what I understood from awhile back, the ice that is on the moons poles(?) would save them a lot of water hauling from earth. With the escape velocity so much less on the Moon, they would have an easier time launching a rocket full of water (fordrinking and such)on the way to mars from there as opposed to the Earth. Thanks, TomPeregrineflier IMCA 6168 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 10:37 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Bush's Space Initiative As there are quite a few space savvy folks on this listjust asking a question pertaining to Bush's speech. He said the moon was the logical place to initiate space exploration missions. Yet the moon has harsh environmental challenges.and it seems those challenges are less on Mars. Only the distance is a problem. It would seem to me that a space station orbiting Earth would be the better place to initiate trips to Mars
[meteorite-list] Google surprise
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[meteorite-list] Red Planet Profits
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[meteorite-list] AD - A VERY RARE offer
Hello all - I hope the new year finds you well. I have available for sale a large fragment of the very rare NWA 1877 Olivine Diogenite. It is one of the largest samples of it in the world weighing 59.6 grams. As many of you know, this material has consistently traded for $750 per gram and retails for $500 per gram. I am opposed to cutting it for two reasons: The posterity of the piece The cut loss I would much rather save the piece and forward the cutting loss in savings to you. So, before I set of to destroy it, I would like to see what your interest is. Send me an offer, all reasonable offers will be seriously considered. I am looking to get cash in order to get me out from under the initial purchase but EXCEPTIONAL trade offers are welcomed as well. Furthermore, I am willing to discuss a significant finders fee for anyone able to find a buyer. Some facts about the piece: The Olivine Diogenite, NWA 1877, fragment I have for you to consider is the largest single piece currently available for sale in the world. It weighs 59.6 grams and is a bit larger than a golf ball and round in nature. It is the rarest class privately available in the world, one is Antarctic, GRA 98108, the other two NWA. The other, NWA 1459, was 49 grams and sold out for thousands of dollars per gram. This NWA has a TKW well under a kilo after a full year of searching the area. It is ~50% Olivine with huge crystals poking out everywhere, golden orange in color, the whole meteorite. It is the deepest sample to date from Vesta. It is very friable and I would be happy to stabilize it upon request and agreement to purchase. So much Olivine cleavage it is trying to break itself apart. This is rarest meteorite class, the deepest Vesta sample and no HED collection is complete without it. High resolution photo available to any interested buyer. Rob Wesel -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] First Rock, Soil Observations On Tap For Spirit Rover
http://www.spaceflightnow.com/mars/mera/040115onthesurface.html First rock, soil observations on tap for Spirit rover BY WILLIAM HARWOOD STORY WRITTEN FOR CBS NEWS SPACE PLACE USED WITH PERMISSION January 15, 2004 The Spirit rover finally rolled onto the surface of Mars today and dutifully beamed back photos showing its now-abandoned lander resting atop crumpled airbags on the frigid martian soil. It was yet another moment for hugs and cheers in a mission that has proceeded from one emotional high to another since landing on Jan. 3. Less than 24 hours ago, President Bush committed our nation to a sustained human and robotic program of exploration, said Charles Elachi, director of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif. But we at NASA, we move awfully fast, in less than 15 hours, by doing our first step. Spirit is now ready to start its mission of exploration and discovery. We have six wheels in the dirt. Mars now is our sandbox and we are ready to play and learn. I have to tell you, I've never seen so many people so excited by just seeing two tracks in the dirt. He was referring to the tread marks left in the martian soil behind Spirit's rear wheels. Last night ... I looked up in the sky and looked at Mars, Elachi said. And I'm still awed that we have a rover on that planet. And I was thinking to myself that for centuries, there were millions of people who looked up the same way I looked up and were wondering what's up there. But we know what is up there. Just think about that. ... Think of the endless possibilities that this generation is going to leave as a legacy for generations of the future. For mission manager Jennifer Trosper, who explained the roll off operation to Vice President Dick Cheney the day before, the moment called for a toast. At a 6 a.m. news conference attended by dozens of Spirit engineers and scientists, she pulled out a bottle of champagne and toasted all the people who contributed to getting us to six wheels on Mars. Your efforts are historical. Thank you very much. You know how you write your to-do list for the day? she asked. My to-day list for (Wednesday and Thursday) was get some images from Mars, meet with the Vice President, then drive the rover onto Mars. I think as a young girl growing up on a farm in Ohio, I probably never envisioned that that might be my to-do list for today! But I am very honored and privileged to be part of this team that was able to do that. The command ordering Spirit to roll off its lander was transmitted at 3:21:30 a.m. EST. Confirmation the rover had successfully negotiated its egress route and short drop to the surface came right at 5 a.m. as telemetry and then photographs showed Spirit's wheels in the dirt and the lander in the background (see earlier story for complete details). Is there life on Mars? The answer is absolutely yes. And we put it there today, said Joel Krajewski, chief engineer for impact and egress. Thank you to this whole team for helping us do that. For Kevin Burke, the engineer responsible for the rover's final egress onto the surface, the first grainy, black-and-white image confirming the successful maneuver was worth much more than a thousand words. I've gotta tell you, being the last person who has the last piece of hardware between sticking on the lander and being on the surface of Mars is very, very stressful, he said, prompting laughter from his colleagues. I'm really glad, I'm really glad that we're done. Flight director Chris Lewicki said the successful roll off opened a new chapter in Spirit's mission. So now it's the time where we kind of hand over the keys, he said. We get to drive the nice sports car but in the end, we're just valets bringing it around the front and handing the keys over to the science team. Spirit will remain where it is, close beside the no-longer-needed lander, for three to four days. Starting late tonight, engineers will begin putting the rover's robot arm through its paces, checking out its rock-eroding abrasion tool and taking the first microscope images of the rocky soil directly in front of the rover. Late Friday, the arm's two spectrometers will make measurements and then, if all goes well, Spirit will begin moving again late Saturday or Sunday night. Earlier today, principal Investigator Steve Squyres briefed the flight control team on the latest exploration strategy. We will do, I'm sure, magnificent things with this vehicle as time goes on, but we want the first drives, the first deployment of the IDD (instrument deployment device, or robot arm), the first-time activities to be clean, straight forward, as free of risk as they can be when you're operating a robot on Mars, he said. Ultimately, one of the things we want to do at this site is characterize the geological diversity. That means going and finding the unusual rocks, finding the unusual soils, finding the things that are not characteristic of the typical stuff around it. But
Re: [meteorite-list] Bush's Space Initiative
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RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Puzzle
Hahahah I just checked Marck Bostick's page of a meteorite puzzle and I know now what is exactly a meteorite puzzle, I thought it was an ordinary picture, Im sorry, hahahahahaha well at least my point is the same...matter of opinions. _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Images of Strange Achondrite Found In the Sahara
Dear List Members, We promised to provide images of the strange stone that was acquired on our December 2003 Sahara expedition. Sorry for the delay but it took time distribute the material to three laboratories and several team members. We wanted to give them a chance to savor the oddness of this piece for themselves before making images public. In the first image you can see what appears to be a lip-over rim, contraction-cracks and flow lines on jet black glassy crust covering 70% of the specimen. Two thirds stone image link: http://www.lunarrock.com/NewStone/achondrite2.jpg The second image displays several perfectly spherical vesicles and multiple colored crystals in a fragmental breccia. Close up of broken surface link: http://www.lunarrock.com/NewStone/achondrite1.jpg Several oddities have been observed in the initial study including the following: Elongated multi-colored glass objects that look like Pele's hairs imbedded in the matrix. Perfectly spherical vesicles present in matrix 2mm weathering rind under a very thin glass crust on the side with lip-over. Contain several highly refractive minerals never before observed in any meteorite. Is more friable than a Nahklite meaning it did not lay in the desert very long. Is definitely not related to the HED group judging from ratios measured in the minerals. We do not want to speculate about its origin until more testing is done. All the best, Adam and Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection IMCA 2185 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Bush's Space Initiative
It sure seems the a democrat is behind that site! Go republicans!!! Thanks, TomPeregrineflier IMCA 6168 - Original Message - From: Randy Mils To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bush's Space Initiative EVERYBODY read Howard's links. Do it now. Don't just read the Mars story, read them all. I can't wait until Nov. to vote (again) against this idiot Chimp some call the President of the US Randy From: Howard Wu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: meteorite-list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bush's Space Initiative Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 22:47:05 + (GMT) Haliburton and Mars? http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVFb=8473 Howard Wu - Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now Get a FREE online virus check for your PC here, from McAfee. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] FW: NAMN Fireball Report 2004-January-14, Dayton, Nevada USA
Hello List, Here is an example of a very well-prepared Fireball Report. Should you be lucky enough to observe a fireball (or better still, see HEAR a bolide;-), you should use the report below as a template and submit it to NAMN http://www.namnmeteors.org/reports.html: -- FWD Message -- Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 23:04:01 + From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: (meteorobs) NAMN Fireball Report 2004-January-14, Dayton, Nevada USA (fwd) --- Forwarded Message: -- From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Apache User) To: NAMN Fireball Reports [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Jon Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: NAMN Fireball Report 2004-January-14, Dayton, Nevada USA Date:Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:09:54 -0500 (EST) - DATE: 2004-January-14 TIME: 02:36:35 UT TOWN and STATE: Dayton, Nevada USA ELEVATION: 4450 ft. LONGITUDE: 119 33 26; LATITUDE: 39 14 15 - -- APPARENT PATH: BEGIN: RA = ; DEC = or AZIMUTH = 90; ELEVATION = 80 END: RA = ; DEC = or AZIMUTH = 90; ELEVATION = 8 (North=360, East=90) - -- FIREBALL DATA: APPARENT MAGNITUDE: -4 m DURATION: 4-5 sec. COLOR: White FRAGMENTATION: None PERSISTENT TRAIN DURATION: None sec. VELOCITY SCALE NUMBER: 1.8-2.5 (Note: 0=Stationary, 1=Very Slow, 2=Slow, 3=Medium, 4=Fast, 5=Very Fast) SOUNDS: none SOUND TIME LAPSE: N/A OBSERVER NAME: Jon Fox E-Mail Address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WAS FIREBALL SIGHTED DURING A METEOR OBSERVING WATCH? NO IF YES, THE OBSERVING PERIOD BEGAN AT: UT and ENDED AT: UT THE FIREBALL WAS A MEMBER OF WHAT SHOWER? Please put any additional remarks, sketches, drawings, etc. below: Facing due east, the meteor was seen to move nearly due east, disapearing about 8 degrees above the horizon. Tail extended about 5-6 diameters along path. No persistant train. No noticed sounds. -- The archive and Web site for Meteorobs list is at http://www.meteorobs.org To get email from the 'meteorobs' lists, use Webform: http://www.meteorobs.org/subscribe.html -- End of meteorobs-digest V4 #1315 __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the Signing Bonus Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Bush's Space Initiative
"MommyMommywhat are those?" "Don't stare sweetiethey're just angry liberals. They don't know any better." * EVERYBODY read Howard's links. Do it now. Don't just read the Mars story, read them all. I can't wait until Nov. to vote (again) against this idiot Chimp some call the President of the US Randy From: Howard Wu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: meteorite-list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bush's Space Initiative Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 22:47:05 + (GMT) Haliburton and Mars? http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVFb=8473 Howard Wu
Re: [meteorite-list] Images of Strange Achondrite Found In the Sahara
Adam and Greg, Congratulations on the beautiful meteorite. Gorgeous! The features you describe are interesting but don't show well in your image. Under 10x magnification the matrix from the Bilanga diogenite looks very similar to your second image. Cheers, tett Owen Sound, Ontario - Original Message - From: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 7:17 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Images of Strange Achondrite Found In the Sahara Dear List Members, We promised to provide images of the strange stone that was acquired on our December 2003 Sahara expedition. Sorry for the delay but it took time distribute the material to three laboratories and several team members. We wanted to give them a chance to savor the oddness of this piece for themselves before making images public. In the first image you can see what appears to be a lip-over rim, contraction-cracks and flow lines on jet black glassy crust covering 70% of the specimen. Two thirds stone image link: http://www.lunarrock.com/NewStone/achondrite2.jpg The second image displays several perfectly spherical vesicles and multiple colored crystals in a fragmental breccia. Close up of broken surface link: http://www.lunarrock.com/NewStone/achondrite1.jpg Several oddities have been observed in the initial study including the following: Elongated multi-colored glass objects that look like Pele's hairs imbedded in the matrix. Perfectly spherical vesicles present in matrix 2mm weathering rind under a very thin glass crust on the side with lip-over. Contain several highly refractive minerals never before observed in any meteorite. Is more friable than a Nahklite meaning it did not lay in the desert very long. Is definitely not related to the HED group judging from ratios measured in the minerals. We do not want to speculate about its origin until more testing is done. All the best, Adam and Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection IMCA 2185 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad - Multiple Uncut Meteorite Lots on eBay
Dear List Members, We are currently running 500g, 1,000g, 2,000g, 2,500g and 3,000g lots that put together represent thousands of meteorites. Most of the lots contain meteorites that are uncut and not cleaned as they were found in the desert. Here is an opportunity for those who do not want to go to the Sahara and deal in person to have a chance to search for interesting pieces among huge batches. We already searched through about 40 kilos and pulled over a dozen rarities which were submitted for classification. These lots were given a cursory glance to make sure everything is meteoritic and everything is guaranteed authentic. Most of the stones are probably common chondrites but are priced from 12 to 15 cents a gram. Most are in good condition, no W5s in these batches, definitely some W1 material making this material a bargain. You cannot even bring it out of the desert at these low prices. We just do not have the time to cut, classify or pair up these meteorites. To see these and about a hundred of our other auctions check the link below: http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/meteoritelab/ Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck. All the best, Adam and Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection IMCA 2185 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Bush's Space Initiative Spin
Hey, I just find this stuff. I don't write it. For example: http://www.markfiore.com/animation/rovers.html I put that article up as I thoughtmany of you would find thatof interestno matter which side you sit on. Though for different reasons.There's room in space for liberals and neocons. Please check your rayguns at the ionosphere. Anyhow about the Haliburton story,isn't that what many of us have been saying that space technologies have earth aplications. Maybe they can use some of their war profits tohelp finance the next shuttle. Then maybe they won't. I heard the troops loveHaliburton workers because they taken over latrine duty. That's real privitization. Howard Wu[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: "MommyMommywhat are those?" "Don't stare sweetiethey're just angry liberals. They don't know any better." * EVERYBODY read Howard's links. Do it now. Don't just read the Mars story, read them all. I can't wait until Nov. to vote (again) against this idiot Chimp some call the President of the US Randy From: Howard Wu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: meteorite-list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bush's Space Initiative Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 22:47:05 + (GMT) Haliburton and Mars? http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVFb=8473 Howard Wu Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
[meteorite-list] Catalog of Meterites Question.....
Can someone with a new copy of "the book" post the details under the entry for "Glatton" I only have the 1985 version, and since it fell in 1991, obviously it's not included. I just aquired a small fragment from Rob Elliott, and am curious about what, besides what's on his site, is known about it. Craig
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Puzzle
Hi, Thanks for all the great help and replies. I'll give it a try. Sonny
[meteorite-list] AD: Main Masses for Sale
Dear List, I am offering several main masses: Powelsville, Ozona, Potter, Hope Creek, Wiseman Alaska, Ross Canyon TX, Lemmon Eads and KEM KEM. If you have others on your want list please email me. Only serious buyers please. Thank You. Dirk RossTokyo IMCA __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the Signing Bonus Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD - A VERY RARE offer
In a auction of few days ago a slice of this material is go sold for $270/gr. when my slice of 1 gr. I have pay $700/gr. nice jokeafter many persons say ebay not created the market in meteorite prices... Matteo --- Rob Wesel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all - I hope the new year finds you well. I have available for sale a large fragment of the very rare NWA 1877 Olivine Diogenite. It is one of the largest samples of it in the world weighing 59.6 grams. As many of you know, this material has consistently traded for $750 per gram and retails for $500 per gram. I am opposed to cutting it for two reasons: The posterity of the piece The cut loss I would much rather save the piece and forward the cutting loss in savings to you. So, before I set of to destroy it, I would like to see what your interest is. Send me an offer, all reasonable offers will be seriously considered. I am looking to get cash in order to get me out from under the initial purchase but EXCEPTIONAL trade offers are welcomed as well. Furthermore, I am willing to discuss a significant finders fee for anyone able to find a buyer. Some facts about the piece: The Olivine Diogenite, NWA 1877, fragment I have for you to consider is the largest single piece currently available for sale in the world. It weighs 59.6 grams and is a bit larger than a golf ball and round in nature. It is the rarest class privately available in the world, one is Antarctic, GRA 98108, the other two NWA. The other, NWA 1459, was 49 grams and sold out for thousands of dollars per gram. This NWA has a TKW well under a kilo after a full year of searching the area. It is ~50% Olivine with huge crystals poking out everywhere, golden orange in color, the whole meteorite. It is the deepest sample to date from Vesta. It is very friable and I would be happy to stabilize it upon request and agreement to purchase. So much Olivine cleavage it is trying to break itself apart. This is rarest meteorite class, the deepest Vesta sample and no HED collection is complete without it. High resolution photo available to any interested buyer. Rob Wesel -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the Signing Bonus Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Catalog of Meterites Question.....
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Can someone with a new copy of "the book" post the details under the entry for "Glatton" Rob's description on his site was pretty comprehensive -buthere's the entry from the NHM Database on CD - not sure if the newer (print) copy has anything further: Glatton 52°27'36" N, 0°18'0" W Glatton, Cambridgeshire, England Fall 1991, May 5, 12.30 hrs Stone. Chondrite. Ordinary (L6) Approx. recovered weight: 767 g Reported: Met. Bull. No. 71, Meteoritics 26, 255-262 (1991) Following the sound of rushing wind, a single, crusted stone weighing 767g was recovered from a garden immediately after the fall. Despite a search in the area, no more material was recovered. Classification and analysis olivine Fa 24.5 . Report of fall and 60 Co, 26 Al determinations, R. Hutchison et al. (1991). Noble gas data compilation, L. Schultz H. Kruse (1989); L. Schultz pers. commun. (1998). Distribution: ... Specimen(s): [1991,M.3], 767g, main mass. Gregory
Re: [meteorite-list] AD - A VERY RARE offer
I would continue to hold on to your piece Matteo, two sales in the history of this material do not created the market. Rob Wesel -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 - Original Message - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 9:56 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD - A VERY RARE offer In a auction of few days ago a slice of this material is go sold for $270/gr. when my slice of 1 gr. I have pay $700/gr. nice jokeafter many persons say ebay not created the market in meteorite prices... Matteo --- Rob Wesel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all - I hope the new year finds you well. I have available for sale a large fragment of the very rare NWA 1877 Olivine Diogenite. It is one of the largest samples of it in the world weighing 59.6 grams. As many of you know, this material has consistently traded for $750 per gram and retails for $500 per gram. I am opposed to cutting it for two reasons: The posterity of the piece The cut loss I would much rather save the piece and forward the cutting loss in savings to you. So, before I set of to destroy it, I would like to see what your interest is. Send me an offer, all reasonable offers will be seriously considered. I am looking to get cash in order to get me out from under the initial purchase but EXCEPTIONAL trade offers are welcomed as well. Furthermore, I am willing to discuss a significant finders fee for anyone able to find a buyer. Some facts about the piece: The Olivine Diogenite, NWA 1877, fragment I have for you to consider is the largest single piece currently available for sale in the world. It weighs 59.6 grams and is a bit larger than a golf ball and round in nature. It is the rarest class privately available in the world, one is Antarctic, GRA 98108, the other two NWA. The other, NWA 1459, was 49 grams and sold out for thousands of dollars per gram. This NWA has a TKW well under a kilo after a full year of searching the area. It is ~50% Olivine with huge crystals poking out everywhere, golden orange in color, the whole meteorite. It is the deepest sample to date from Vesta. It is very friable and I would be happy to stabilize it upon request and agreement to purchase. So much Olivine cleavage it is trying to break itself apart. This is rarest meteorite class, the deepest Vesta sample and no HED collection is complete without it. High resolution photo available to any interested buyer. Rob Wesel -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the Signing Bonus Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Puzzle
Im not an expert in this subject, but here in my city there is a shop dedicated to puzzles and the owner is a great collector of puzzles and all sutff like that and when you enter to his stores you can see hug puzzles glued together but very carefully, they are truly art work!, they look beautiful glued together and set in a frame with a nice glass or a protective stuff, it looks just great to me, cuz you can see always thats its a puzzle. I guess its just a matter of opinons, some like them glued and some intact, is there a way you can get two of them???..that way you keep one original and youcan glue another to display, heheh I think that would be the best thing to do, but can you get two? 2001 Space Collection Rafael B. Torres _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
