RE: [meteorite-list] AD:Not a happy 'Campo'
Bob, 'Methylated Spirits' (at least in the UK) is available in every hardware store, used to fuel burners and heaters and clean glass etc (not to be confused with Kerosene), I am not sure what it is called in the US, maybe 'denatured Alcohol' which is another term for it. If you can get hold of pure Alcohol (Ethanol would be best, available from Lab supply firms) this would be far better, but over here we have to pay extortionate sales Tax on it! - so it's far cheaper to Methylated Spirits if your going to soak a large piece. Regards, Mark Ford -Original Message- From: Bob C. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 March 2004 03:44 To: mark ford Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD:Not a happy 'Campo' Hi Mark, I was wondering where i would be able to purchase methylated spirits to perform this procedure. Thanks for any help you can give. Bob C. - Original Message - From: mark ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 1:23 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] AD:Not a happy 'Campo' On that note: I have tried all sorts of exotic anti-rusting methods but definitely the best is : Brush off all the rust with a wire brush, mix some methylated spirits with Sodium Hydroxide (caustic soda) (about 3 Table spoons to 1 pint) mix and soak the iron in it for at least a couple of weeks. Seems to halt the oxidization nicely! Smaller Irons respond better than very large ones, probably because it takes time for the solution to penetrate. Mark -Original Message- From: Bob King [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 March 2004 14:09 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] AD:Not a happy 'Campo' Hi folks, I've got a rusting Campo del Cielo iron meteorite here that originally started off at 1050g but has been on the meteorite equivalent of the Atkins diet so now weighs closer to 1 kilo. After a wire brushing it still looks OK but plan on giving this one some TLC (or sodium hydroxide) if you want to arrest its condition and make it a fully-functioning member of your collection. Please make me an offer. I'll return all replies. Thanks for your intervention ;-) Bob __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] meteorites - money for terrorism
Hello Everybody, I'm forwarding this email on behalf of Bruno Carine who aren't able to get throught to the list directly. It contains important information, and I recommend everyone to read it since it's affecting most of us. Thanks. All the best, Norbert -Original Message- Dear List Members, as you all remind, the pelisson brothers tried to discredit all the meteoritic community by associating it to terrorists and al quaeda suppliers the 31 january (the opening day of Tucson show) We did bring them in court for defamation (a kind of felony), they already have been sentenced the 1st of March for that, they have a fine of 4200 Euros but we could take off only a few words in their pages as it was a referee, and express judgement due to urgency. (Official sentence paper is available by fax for who wants it) It's now several years that the Pelisson are trying to discredit all of us. This time it's really bad, they did use private and public emails of you guys! Dean Bessey, David Freeman, Michael Farmer, Bob Verish, Adam Greg Hupe, Labenne, Nelson Oakes and Habibi, as well as several very well known scientists. They are using parts out of context of your public and private communications to try to prove that we all are involved in an active islamic group ... we all know this is completly false and very close to delirium but they brought that as pieces for their defence in a public court in France. Now they are trying to have support of medias, they already sent press folder (witch is a full crap of 65 pages!) only two newspapers wrote on that. But the next step could be higher, they will say that we all finance drugs or worst They already said in a newspaper that ben Laden in person have been see in Morocco to organise personally the traffic !! This is too much, we all have to react or they will ruin the whole community image including the scientists as they declare to the judge that some of them are hiding traffics with al quaeda in exchange of money or rare samples. As we won the first part at the court of Lyon, now we are in a good position to bring them front of high justice, it should takes several months but they will be badly sentenced. This is a shame that such an interesting hobby involving origin of our Solar System, Earth and Life with so many scientifical works are now pointed as network funding horrible things. Please don't hesitate to react and say what you really think of these two people. Cheers from France, Bruno Carine www.meteorite.fr - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 7:35 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT- Our position regarding the IMCA
Hi Ron, You damn right , Screw E-bay and the J. O.'offs who created the entity. You are of no importance to them, and not getting e-mails back, what, are you crazy? that's not their problem, man. It's your problem as soon as you BID, regardless of what they tell you about proper complaint channels and crap. As I posted before, do your homework, and if your must have it now impulse is running on high current that should be a sign for you to get off the site and play with the kids, dog, fish, whatever your diversion- Oh yeah ,don't forget the eternal wife or girlfriend too. E-bay needs to get involved with taking out some of these scumbags that they in effect let represent E-bay, especially , what pisses me off the most is the lousy photo's of the item for sale. In my opinion, if you can't take a descent photo of the item for auction or Buy It Now then you should pay someone to do it for you or you can't sell- period ! No Lookie - No Selli. Usually they advertise, e.g., Look at the beautifull fusion crust, and the 20mm robins egg chondrules ,WOW , what a great bargain (The WOW 's are a definite sign of impending tragic loss of cashflow from your person . Stay away from the non- guaranteed, non - certified authentic, and unclassified and not- analyzed by a Meteoritics Lab stuff out there. There's some good guy's on our (I.M.C.A.) list here , and the World Class dealers off- list might give you a good deal too. For instance, Bob Haag has never done me wrong in the 12 yrs. that I've known him. I know him from telephone conversations over the years. Like a lot of us on the East Coast I hope to someday do the Tucson Show and visit at least 5 fair dealers worthy of the name fair, in Tucson. Another I have done deals with is Ron Farrell- New haven, CT.. U.S.A.. He cut me an Imilac slice 3mm thick X 5 in. X 4 in. and it is absolutely immaculate . I've had it now about 11yrs. . He sid it took time and effort to cut a jewel woth the money I dished out for it- it's a 123Gram Grade 1 50/50 gorgeous pale green Olivine and Ni-Fe. He did it like a jeweler would make you a custom piece of jewelry , except it was just another sale. He was building up his customer base. There are some mentally ill dealers who tell you that they know for a fact that it's a meteorite and all, but the impatient greedy bas...rds in fact do not know diddly squat about what they are trying to sell you, and they get ATITTUDE in the e-mails that they send you ( if you're lucky to get an e-mail at all) if the questions get too hard for their SUPER-DEALER EGO'S. If we are going to be paying dues , I'd like to know the ratio of Collectors ( International Meteorite Collectors Association- not dealers)to dealers. Please forgive the Java. That's It - I'm Out - Good Night All (IMCA # 0583) To: Ron DiIulio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT- Our position regarding the IMCA Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 10:17:24 -0600 Hi Adam (and the rest of the list). As one who was recently 'scammed' by a fraudulent dealer through ebay, I can only laud the efforts of the IMCA to notify its members of possible frauds. Although my ebay win was quite small, I discovered---much to my disappointment---that ebay is quite reluctant to get involved in any form of dispute. So...as has been said...buyer beware. If I had read some of this group's, and IMCA's threads, prior to my sale I would have seen all the warning flags and removed myself from the auction. Unfortunately, I was traveling and missed the threads. However, because of many emails from this list and IMCA members I chose to pay the fraudulent seller via an escrow service so I could have you guys examine the specimen. He never responded to any of my emails, nor to the escrow service. Consequently, I never sent any payment. As a result I have my first negative response which ebay will not consider removing! It's interesting to note, however, that the seller (glassface1) has a 100% negative rating already, but ebay wouldn't respond to my call to take a closer look at him. Oh well...it was an inexpensive learning experience--it only cost me my first negative feedback! Regards, Ron DiIulio Planetarium and Astronomy Lab Director Physics Department University of North Texas Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/08/04 04:53PM Dear List members, We recognize that the List and IMCA are two different entities. Since they cross over sometimes we thought we would state our position regarding the IMCA. If you are not interested please just delete this message and no harm will have been done. It was mentioned that my brother, Greg and I do not belong to the IMCA. We have been members since its inception and fully endorse the efforts of this group. We do not post often because the group is managing itself pretty well. In our opinion, the IMCA is evolving into a highly respected entity by
RE: [meteorite-list] meteorites - money for terrorism
Bruno, Carine, I congratulate you for your courage to stand up against these silly allegations. I sincerely hope that this trial will end this stupid thing once and forever. Bernhard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Norbert Classen Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 2:50 PM To: meteorite-list Cc: La Memoire de la Terre Subject: [meteorite-list] meteorites - money for terrorism Hello Everybody, I'm forwarding this email on behalf of Bruno Carine who aren't able to get throught to the list directly. It contains important information, and I recommend everyone to read it since it's affecting most of us. Thanks. All the best, Norbert -Original Message- Dear List Members, as you all remind, the pelisson brothers tried to discredit all the meteoritic community by associating it to terrorists and al quaeda suppliers the 31 january (the opening day of Tucson show) We did bring them in court for defamation (a kind of felony), they already have been sentenced the 1st of March for that, they have a fine of 4200 Euros but we could take off only a few words in their pages as it was a referee, and express judgement due to urgency. (Official sentence paper is available by fax for who wants it) It's now several years that the Pelisson are trying to discredit all of us. This time it's really bad, they did use private and public emails of you guys! Dean Bessey, David Freeman, Michael Farmer, Bob Verish, Adam Greg Hupe, Labenne, Nelson Oakes and Habibi, as well as several very well known scientists. They are using parts out of context of your public and private communications to try to prove that we all are involved in an active islamic group ... we all know this is completly false and very close to delirium but they brought that as pieces for their defence in a public court in France. Now they are trying to have support of medias, they already sent press folder (witch is a full crap of 65 pages!) only two newspapers wrote on that. But the next step could be higher, they will say that we all finance drugs or worst They already said in a newspaper that ben Laden in person have been see in Morocco to organise personally the traffic !! This is too much, we all have to react or they will ruin the whole community image including the scientists as they declare to the judge that some of them are hiding traffics with al quaeda in exchange of money or rare samples. As we won the first part at the court of Lyon, now we are in a good position to bring them front of high justice, it should takes several months but they will be badly sentenced. This is a shame that such an interesting hobby involving origin of our Solar System, Earth and Life with so many scientifical works are now pointed as network funding horrible things. Please don't hesitate to react and say what you really think of these two people. Cheers from France, Bruno Carine www.meteorite.fr - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 7:35 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT, Ebay sucks 2, sorry!
Whoa There Mr. Untouchable, You are not an (IMCA) member?. Since when? Can someone please tell me what I'm obviously not understanding here? Why are non-members alowed to disrupt what would normally be an enjoyable electronic conversation amongst friends from the list . Mike , Tell me why you are allowed to post on this list at all . What the hell kind of rules are we into now and what event changed them. I've been wondering how Matteo was getting on and now on the other side of the atlantic , another little devil is sneaking around stirring up crap with Tom, an you're not even a member. As far as I'm concerned you aint got no right to threaten people accross International time zones and you will find yourself incarcerrated one day Mike. Take and heed my word. If he know's where you're at and you're on his turf, Italia- you are bad word - bad word.If any list board members get this e-mail , please make it a short explanation of how a non-member is allowed to post on OUR LIST . Is he going to pay dues too, but that's besides the point really. It isn't right. Has this been going on from the start or something new. T H A N KY O U Roman Nakonechny (IMCA # 0583 ~* MACH15 From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tom aka James Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT, Ebay sucks 2, sorry! Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 13:06:28 -0700 Tom, for god's sake, you can choose to hide your feedback. Even a retarded monkey can figure out that someone using a hidden feedback must have some problems, and if they then choose to risk buying from that person, well, buyer beware. Can we please drop this garbage ebay crap. It is not my problem to read all day about things that anyone with the common sense of a rat turd can figure out on their own. If you hate ebay so much, DONT use it. This is exactly why I am not an IMCA member. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Tom aka James Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 1:02 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] OT, Ebay sucks 2, sorry! Hello List, I recieved a phone call while typing that last message, I can not type and talk at the same time! : ( Ebay says the feedback is there to protect the people using ebay, right? If ebay allows you to hide the comments left about you, does that not defeat the feedback's purpose? I know you can see the numbers, but numbers do not tell you what the problem is, why do they let bad people protect themselves? Thanks, Tom peregrineflier IMCA #6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Fast. Reliable. Get MSN 9 Dial-up - 3 months for the price of 1! (Limited-time Offer) http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT, Ebay sucks 2, sorry!
Roman et al, Is this the IMCA list or the Meteorite Central Mailing list? I suggest you figure out which list you are on there sir. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Roman Nakonechny [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 4:53 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT, Ebay sucks 2, sorry! Whoa There Mr. Untouchable, You are not an (IMCA) member?. Since when? Can someone please tell me what I'm obviously not understanding here? Why are non-members alowed to disrupt what would normally be an enjoyable electronic conversation amongst friends from the list . Mike , Tell me why you are allowed to post on this list at all . What the hell kind of rules are we into now and what event changed them. I've been wondering how Matteo was getting on and now on the other side of the atlantic , another little devil is sneaking around stirring up crap with Tom, an you're not even a member. As far as I'm concerned you aint got no right to threaten people accross International time zones and you will find yourself incarcerrated one day Mike. Take and heed my word. If he know's where you're at and you're on his turf, Italia- you are bad word - bad word.If any list board members get this e-mail , please make it a short explanation of how a non-member is allowed to post on OUR LIST . Is he going to pay dues too, but that's besides the point really. It isn't right. Has this been going on from the start or something new. T H A N KY O U Roman Nakonechny (IMCA # 0583 ~* MACH15 From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tom aka James Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT, Ebay sucks 2, sorry! Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 13:06:28 -0700 Tom, for god's sake, you can choose to hide your feedback. Even a retarded monkey can figure out that someone using a hidden feedback must have some problems, and if they then choose to risk buying from that person, well, buyer beware. Can we please drop this garbage ebay crap. It is not my problem to read all day about things that anyone with the common sense of a rat turd can figure out on their own. If you hate ebay so much, DONT use it. This is exactly why I am not an IMCA member. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Tom aka James Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 1:02 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] OT, Ebay sucks 2, sorry! Hello List, I recieved a phone call while typing that last message, I can not type and talk at the same time! : ( Ebay says the feedback is there to protect the people using ebay, right? If ebay allows you to hide the comments left about you, does that not defeat the feedback's purpose? I know you can see the numbers, but numbers do not tell you what the problem is, why do they let bad people protect themselves? Thanks, Tom peregrineflier IMCA #6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Fast. Reliable. Get MSN 9 Dial-up - 3 months for the price of 1! (Limited-time Offer) http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Fw: [meteorite-list] OT, Ebay sucks 2, sorry!
See why I am not a member? The members of the IMCA now think that the Meteorite Central mailing list is there list. Can some of you please edumacate this guy? Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Roman Nakonechny [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 4:53 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT, Ebay sucks 2, sorry! Whoa There Mr. Untouchable, You are not an (IMCA) member?. Since when? Can someone please tell me what I'm obviously not understanding here? Why are non-members alowed to disrupt what would normally be an enjoyable electronic conversation amongst friends from the list . Mike , Tell me why you are allowed to post on this list at all . What the hell kind of rules are we into now and what event changed them. I've been wondering how Matteo was getting on and now on the other side of the atlantic , another little devil is sneaking around stirring up crap with Tom, an you're not even a member. As far as I'm concerned you aint got no right to threaten people accross International time zones and you will find yourself incarcerrated one day Mike. Take and heed my word. If he know's where you're at and you're on his turf, Italia- you are bad word - bad word.If any list board members get this e-mail , please make it a short explanation of how a non-member is allowed to post on OUR LIST . Is he going to pay dues too, but that's besides the point really. It isn't right. Has this been going on from the start or something new. T H A N KY O U Roman Nakonechny (IMCA # 0583 ~* MACH15 From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tom aka James Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT, Ebay sucks 2, sorry! Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 13:06:28 -0700 Tom, for god's sake, you can choose to hide your feedback. Even a retarded monkey can figure out that someone using a hidden feedback must have some problems, and if they then choose to risk buying from that person, well, buyer beware. Can we please drop this garbage ebay crap. It is not my problem to read all day about things that anyone with the common sense of a rat turd can figure out on their own. If you hate ebay so much, DONT use it. This is exactly why I am not an IMCA member. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Tom aka James Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 1:02 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] OT, Ebay sucks 2, sorry! Hello List, I recieved a phone call while typing that last message, I can not type and talk at the same time! : ( Ebay says the feedback is there to protect the people using ebay, right? If ebay allows you to hide the comments left about you, does that not defeat the feedback's purpose? I know you can see the numbers, but numbers do not tell you what the problem is, why do they let bad people protect themselves? Thanks, Tom peregrineflier IMCA #6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Fast. Reliable. Get MSN 9 Dial-up - 3 months for the price of 1! (Limited-time Offer) http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT, Ebay sucksetc.
Dear Roman, You seem to be under the misguided impression that the list (meteorite newsletter) is sponsored by the IMCA? Well, it is sponsored by Art, who owns and operates Meteorite Central always has been and always will be. The IMCA is a Johnny come lately organization, the membership of which has nothing whatsoever to do with list membership. So, when you ask the question below, it is WAY off base. Sincerely, Michael on 3/12/04 3:53 AM, Roman Nakonechny at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: please make it a short explanation of how a non-member is allowed to post on OUR LIST . Is he going to pay dues too, but that's besides the point really. It isn't right. Has this been going on from the start or something new. T H A N KY O U Roman Nakonechny (IMCA # 0583 ~* MACH15 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT, Ebay sucks 2, sorry!
Edumacate? Well, I hope not in PUBLICK! Michael on 3/12/04 7:32 AM, Michael Farmer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can some of you please edumacate this guy? Mike Farmer -- When Jesus said Love your enemies I think he probably meant don't kill them. Anonymous -- For perspective, try THIS: http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/primer/java/scienceopticsu/powersof10/index.html -- cool message fro Ben Jerry: www.TrueMajority.org/oreo -- AMAZING photos of Aurora Borealis, etc. http://faculty.rmwc.edu/tmichalik/atmosphere.htm -- Hubble space telescope - AMAZING photos!: http://wires.news.com.au/special/mm/030811-hubble.htm -- http://www.costofwar.com/ -- SUPPORT OUR TROUPS: http://www.takebackthemedia.com/onearmy.html -- Worth Seeing: Earth at night from satellite: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg -- - Interactive Lady Liberty: http://doody36.home.attbi.com/liberty.htm -- Earth - variety of choices: http://www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/vplanet.html -- Michael Blood Meteorites: http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Madrid massacre
Hi List, Coincidence ? The 11th of March (eleventh) 912 days after 9/11 .Would have been 911 days if not a leap year this year. Didn't these atrocities occur at rush hour a.m. both locations , don't know the exact times ? Ken O'Neill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael Farmer Sent: 11 March 2004 15:50 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Madrid massacre I am not sure you have all seen the news, but a massive terrorist attack has occurred in Madrid. I always stay near the Atocha train station in Madrid, and some of the bombs went off there. I was there one week ago! It wakes you up a little to see that. What is this world coming too, every day nothing but bombings and terror attacks all over the place. Now I know why Bob Haag just wants to stay home with his kids. Mike Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT, Ebay sucks 2, sorry!
I said that on purpose if you can't figure that out Michael. Jeeez That was difficult. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 8:38 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT, Ebay sucks 2, sorry! Edumacate? Well, I hope not in PUBLICK! Michael on 3/12/04 7:32 AM, Michael Farmer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can some of you please edumacate this guy? Mike Farmer -- When Jesus said Love your enemies I think he probably meant don't kill them. Anonymous -- For perspective, try THIS: http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/primer/java/scienceopticsu/powersof10/index.html -- cool message fro Ben Jerry: www.TrueMajority.org/oreo -- AMAZING photos of Aurora Borealis, etc. http://faculty.rmwc.edu/tmichalik/atmosphere.htm -- Hubble space telescope - AMAZING photos!: http://wires.news.com.au/special/mm/030811-hubble.htm -- http://www.costofwar.com/ -- SUPPORT OUR TROUPS: http://www.takebackthemedia.com/onearmy.html -- Worth Seeing: Earth at night from satellite: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg -- - Interactive Lady Liberty: http://doody36.home.attbi.com/liberty.htm -- Earth - variety of choices: http://www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/vplanet.html -- Michael Blood Meteorites: http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] meteorites - money for terrorism
Great news. Although Bruno and I have had our differences, we both agree that the Pellisons are the scum of the earth. These pompous people give new meaning to the French stereotype. They are trying to trash every dealer but themselves and it is great that Bruno and Carine have the ability to take them to justice. I hope they get the death penalty!:) Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Norbert Classen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: La Memoire de la Terre [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 6:49 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] meteorites - money for terrorism Hello Everybody, I'm forwarding this email on behalf of Bruno Carine who aren't able to get throught to the list directly. It contains important information, and I recommend everyone to read it since it's affecting most of us. Thanks. All the best, Norbert -Original Message- Dear List Members, as you all remind, the pelisson brothers tried to discredit all the meteoritic community by associating it to terrorists and al quaeda suppliers the 31 january (the opening day of Tucson show) We did bring them in court for defamation (a kind of felony), they already have been sentenced the 1st of March for that, they have a fine of 4200 Euros but we could take off only a few words in their pages as it was a referee, and express judgement due to urgency. (Official sentence paper is available by fax for who wants it) It's now several years that the Pelisson are trying to discredit all of us. This time it's really bad, they did use private and public emails of you guys! Dean Bessey, David Freeman, Michael Farmer, Bob Verish, Adam Greg Hupe, Labenne, Nelson Oakes and Habibi, as well as several very well known scientists. They are using parts out of context of your public and private communications to try to prove that we all are involved in an active islamic group ... we all know this is completly false and very close to delirium but they brought that as pieces for their defence in a public court in France. Now they are trying to have support of medias, they already sent press folder (witch is a full crap of 65 pages!) only two newspapers wrote on that. But the next step could be higher, they will say that we all finance drugs or worst They already said in a newspaper that ben Laden in person have been see in Morocco to organise personally the traffic !! This is too much, we all have to react or they will ruin the whole community image including the scientists as they declare to the judge that some of them are hiding traffics with al quaeda in exchange of money or rare samples. As we won the first part at the court of Lyon, now we are in a good position to bring them front of high justice, it should takes several months but they will be badly sentenced. This is a shame that such an interesting hobby involving origin of our Solar System, Earth and Life with so many scientifical works are now pointed as network funding horrible things. Please don't hesitate to react and say what you really think of these two people. Cheers from France, Bruno Carine www.meteorite.fr - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 7:35 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT, Ebay sucks 2, sorry!
Hey, I can see where Roman got confused, I had wrote; Hello List, I recieved a phone call while typing that last message, I can not type and talk at the same time! : ( Ebay says the feedback is there to protect the people using ebay, right? If ebay allows you to hide the comments left about you, does that not defeat the feedback's purpose? I know you can see the numbers, but numbers do not tell you what the problem is, why do they let bad people protect themselves? Mike Farmer wrote; This is exactly why I am not an IMCA member. So beings this had nothing to do with the IMCA, Roman must have thought this was an IMCA topic on the IMCA list beings Mike brought the IMCA up, just a guess. : ) Thanks, Tom peregrineflier IMCA #6168 - Original Message - From: Roman Nakonechny [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 4:53 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT, Ebay sucks 2, sorry! Whoa There Mr. Untouchable, You are not an (IMCA) member?. Since when? Can someone please tell me what I'm obviously not understanding here? Why are non-members alowed to disrupt what would normally be an enjoyable electronic conversation amongst friends from the list . Mike , Tell me why you are allowed to post on this list at all . What the hell kind of rules are we into now and what event changed them. I've been wondering how Matteo was getting on and now on the other side of the atlantic , another little devil is sneaking around stirring up crap with Tom, an you're not even a member. As far as I'm concerned you aint got no right to threaten people accross International time zones and you will find yourself incarcerrated one day Mike. Take and heed my word. If he know's where you're at and you're on his turf, Italia- you are bad word - bad word.If any list board members get this e-mail , please make it a short explanation of how a non-member is allowed to post on OUR LIST . Is he going to pay dues too, but that's besides the point really. It isn't right. Has this been going on from the start or something new. T H A N KY O U Roman Nakonechny (IMCA # 0583 ~* MACH15 From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tom aka James Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT, Ebay sucks 2, sorry! Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 13:06:28 -0700 Tom, for god's sake, you can choose to hide your feedback. Even a retarded monkey can figure out that someone using a hidden feedback must have some problems, and if they then choose to risk buying from that person, well, buyer beware. Can we please drop this garbage ebay crap. It is not my problem to read all day about things that anyone with the common sense of a rat turd can figure out on their own. If you hate ebay so much, DONT use it. This is exactly why I am not an IMCA member. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Tom aka James Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 1:02 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] OT, Ebay sucks 2, sorry! Hello List, I recieved a phone call while typing that last message, I can not type and talk at the same time! : ( Ebay says the feedback is there to protect the people using ebay, right? If ebay allows you to hide the comments left about you, does that not defeat the feedback's purpose? I know you can see the numbers, but numbers do not tell you what the problem is, why do they let bad people protect themselves? Thanks, Tom peregrineflier IMCA #6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Fast. Reliable. Get MSN 9 Dial-up - 3 months for the price of 1! (Limited-time Offer) http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT, Ebay sucks 2, sorry!
Roman, You're greatly misinformed. The IMCA has nothing to do with the Meteorite Central email list other than some IMCA members are also on the Meteorite List. They are two separate entities. Meteorite Central's Meteorite List has been around for about seven years while the IMCA has been in existence for about two. If you want to shake a finger at someone shake it at the IMCA members that use the Meteorite List to communicate with each other. This isn't one of those hard to figure out chicken and the egg situations...anyone who has been on this List for a while can tell you who came first. You might even consider that the IMCA is somewhat of a remora to the Met List. Best, John Gwilliam At 06:53 AM 3/12/2004 -0500, Roman Nakonechny wrote: Whoa There Mr. Untouchable, You are not an (IMCA) member?. Since when? Can someone please tell me what I'm obviously not understanding here? Why are non-members alowed to disrupt what would normally be an enjoyable electronic conversation amongst friends from the list . Mike , Tell me why you are allowed to post on this list at all . What the hell kind of rules are we into now and what event changed them. I've been wondering how Matteo was getting on and now on the other side of the atlantic , another little devil is sneaking around stirring up crap with Tom, an you're not even a member. As far as I'm concerned you aint got no right to threaten people accross International time zones and you will find yourself incarcerrated one day Mike. Take and heed my word. If he know's where you're at and you're on his turf, Italia- you are bad word - bad word.If any list board members get this e-mail , please make it a short explanation of how a non-member is allowed to post on OUR LIST . Is he going to pay dues too, but that's besides the point really. It isn't right. Has this been going on from the start or something new. T H A N KY O U Roman Nakonechny (IMCA # 0583 ~* MACH15 From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tom aka James Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT, Ebay sucks 2, sorry! Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 13:06:28 -0700 Tom, for god's sake, you can choose to hide your feedback. Even a retarded monkey can figure out that someone using a hidden feedback must have some problems, and if they then choose to risk buying from that person, well, buyer beware. Can we please drop this garbage ebay crap. It is not my problem to read all day about things that anyone with the common sense of a rat turd can figure out on their own. If you hate ebay so much, DONT use it. This is exactly why I am not an IMCA member. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Tom aka James Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 1:02 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] OT, Ebay sucks 2, sorry! Hello List, I recieved a phone call while typing that last message, I can not type and talk at the same time! : ( Ebay says the feedback is there to protect the people using ebay, right? If ebay allows you to hide the comments left about you, does that not defeat the feedback's purpose? I know you can see the numbers, but numbers do not tell you what the problem is, why do they let bad people protect themselves? Thanks, Tom peregrineflier IMCA #6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Fast. Reliable. Get MSN 9 Dial-up - 3 months for the price of 1! (Limited-time Offer) http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT, Ebay sucks 2, sorry!
Hi Mike, I have to ask, You have great meteorites, great prices and the best shipping rates, bar none! Can I still buy meteorites from you? Thanks, Tom peregrineflier IMCA #6168 - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tom aka James Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT, Ebay sucks 2, sorry! Tom, for god's sake, you can choose to hide your feedback. Even a retarded monkey can figure out that someone using a hidden feedback must have some problems, and if they then choose to risk buying from that person, well, buyer beware. Can we please drop this garbage ebay crap. It is not my problem to read all day about things that anyone with the common sense of a rat turd can figure out on their own. If you hate ebay so much, DONT use it. This is exactly why I am not an IMCA member. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Tom aka James Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 1:02 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] OT, Ebay sucks 2, sorry! Hello List, I recieved a phone call while typing that last message, I can not type and talk at the same time! : ( Ebay says the feedback is there to protect the people using ebay, right? If ebay allows you to hide the comments left about you, does that not defeat the feedback's purpose? I know you can see the numbers, but numbers do not tell you what the problem is, why do they let bad people protect themselves? Thanks, Tom peregrineflier IMCA #6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] North Carolina IMPACT meteor-wrong
Mystery object hits home Sean Olson , STAFF WRITER 03/11/2004 High Point Enterprise No one was home when the object hit Joanie Stumpf's Westgate Drive home in north High Point. Sometime between 8:30 a.m. and 2:30 p.m. Tuesday, a metal, egg-shaped object fell from the sky, pierced Stumpf's roof and ceiling, smashed a dent into her hardwood floor and ricocheted more than six feet, breaking a candle holder on the nearby entertainment center. My daughter is the one who found it when she came home from school at about 2:30, Stumpf said. She said something fell onto the roof, and I thought it was a tree and came right home. Given the circumstances, Stumpf and others thought it could be a piece of a plane, a meteorite or a piece of space garbage that's fallen to earth after orbiting the planet's atmosphere. Objects can fall from space, said Tom English, director of the Cline Observatory at Guilford Technical Community College. There are thousands of objects that orbit the earth. As those orbits decay, they can re-enter the atmosphere. It happens fairly frequently. It's more likely that the object came from a place closer than a galaxy far, far away. While it may have been tempting or exciting to think of the object as a meteorite or piece of space trash, David Butler, a meteorite collector and member of the Greensboro Astronomy Club, and Roger Joyner, planetarium curator at the Greensboro Natural Science Center, went to Stumpf's house to take a look at the object, and both believe that the object was likely man-made. It looks like it could have some machine heating, Joyner said as he pointed to small, bluish spots on the object. And there are facets or planes where it looks like it's been cut, he added, pointing to the jagged edges on the surface of the metal. I'd say it's certainly man-made, Butler said after looking at the object under a stereoscope. Joyner theorizes the metal object could have come off a large, industrial shredder like those used in the nearby Ingleside Composting Yard. The piece could have been shot off a piece of their equipment, Joyner thinks. This is probably a piece of their equipment, he said. These striations look like something a machine makes, and it looks blue from heating. The more I look at it, the more this looks like it came off of a piece of machinery. The facility uses large shredders to mulch trees and other debris into mulch. Sean Olson can be contacted at 888-3627 or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ©High Point Enterprise 2004 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT, Ebay alternative?
Dear Listees: Instead of playing the ebay game why doesn`t someone in this community create an online auction system? There are many computer talented persons on this list and some with capital. Maybe the IMCA could consider a new path? Doable? Consider all of the capital that xyzbay creates. Just my two yen. Dirk Ross...Tokyo Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster.
Re: [meteorite-list] OT, Ebay alternative?
Or...lets recall the days of no auctions... Matt drtanuki wrote: Dear Listees: Instead of playing the ebay game why doesn`t someone in this community create an online auction system? There are many computer talented persons on this list and some with capital. Maybe the IMCA could consider a new path? Doable? Consider all of the capital that xyzbay creates. Just my two yen. Dirk Ross...Tokyo Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster. http://search.yahoo.com/?fr=ad-mailsig-home __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NPA 07-1925 Early Nininger paper, Kansas Meteorites
Paper: Appleton Post Crescent City: Appleton, Wisconsin Date: Monday Evening, July 20, 1925 Page: 5 KANSAS KNOWN AS LANDING STATION FOR METOERITES Scientist Asserts Middle State Has No Undue Attraction for Stars By Assiciated Press McPherson, Kan. - Kansas has attained a reputation beyond this planet as a landing field for stray meteorites, but that reputation would not stand the test of science, declared Prof. H. H. Nininger of McPherson college, past president of the Lansas Academy of Science, in an address on the subject of meteorites. The belief that Kansas, center of the United States, exerts some unexplained influence on the heavenly wanderes, is without foundation in fact, the professor asserted. A chart of recorded meteoritic falls disclosed that one-fifth of the significant finds in the world have been in Kansas and this has led, according to Professor Nininger, to the popular and failacious impression that this state is peculiarly attractive to meteorites. Two explanations he offered for the apparent monopoly Kansas has maintained: the character fo the soil and the interest aroused in the science. "The finding of stony meteorites." Professor Nininger pointed out, "which have not been seen to fall, may be considered among the rarest events in the annals of meteorites. In only two localities on this continent have such finds occurred in numberd - western Kansas and the coastal plains of Texas. In both of these regions the soil is comparatively free from terrestrial rocks" This, he said, facilititates distinguishing meteoric stones from the earth. A series of witnessed falls of now famous iron and stone meteorites also had kept scientific circles, the public and the press interested in Kansas for long periods, he said, with the result that farmers began to believe that the heavy stones with which they were weighing down fences and roofs were in fact meteorites. Thus were the discoveries multiplied. Scientists have never satifactority acconted for the concentration of iron meteorites in large showers. Professor Niniger told his audience. One theory is that such showers are remnants of dinintegrating comets which have "side-swiped" the earth. This, he said, may explain the huge crater in northest Arizona, devoid of volcanic rock and surrounded by traces of iron meteoritic fals, which geologists believe marks the entrance into the earth of a monster meteorite. Hello list, PDF file is available for this and about 1/4 of the newspapers currently archived on my website, www.meteoritearticles.com. Finding, transcrbing, getting PDF copies and archiving on my website, besides (sometimes) posting them to the list, takes quite a bit of time so my personal archives will always be a lot larger then what is on the website. I have also avoided archiving a lot of the recent newspaper articles on my site to concentrate on the older ones. I do my best to provide a (free) research service in this department and will start making attempts to be able ot share PDF copies from now on. Requests may take a couple days and to be honest it will be a few years before I see myself being of any great service. Mark Bostick
Re: [meteorite-list] meteorites - money for terrorism
Bruno, Carine and list, Nice to hear about you legal victory...or our legal victory should I say. I think most of us tip our hats to you for your time and money put into this effort. Please keep us informed. Other people mentioned by the Peilsson'scould nowconsider the option of riding Bruno and Carine's case in other courtrooms. Mark Bostick www.meteoritearticles.com PS: If I could get a transcript or a photocopy of the newspaper article, re: Ben Laden, you have referred to I would be interested in it. - Original Message - From: Norbert Classen Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 7:56 AM To: meteorite-list Cc: La Memoire de la Terre Subject: [meteorite-list] meteorites - money for terrorism Hello Everybody,I'm forwarding this email on behalf of Bruno Carine whoaren't able to get throught to the list directly. It containsimportant information, and I recommend everyone to read itsince it's affecting most of us. Thanks.All the best,Norbert -Original Message-Dear List Members,as you all remind, the pelisson brothers tried to discredit all the meteoritic community by associating it to terroristsand al quaeda suppliers the 31 january (the opening day of Tucson show)We did bring them in court for defamation (a kind of felony),they already have been sentenced the 1st of March for that, they have a fine of 4200 Euros but we could take off only a few words in their pages as it was a "referee", and express judgement due to urgency. (Official sentence paper is available by fax for who wants it)It's now several years that the Pelisson are trying to discredit all of us. This time it's really bad, they did use private and public emails of you guys! Dean Bessey, David Freeman, Michael Farmer, Bob Verish, Adam Greg Hupe, Labenne, Nelson Oakes and Habibi, as well as several very well known scientists. They are using parts out of context of your public and private communications to try to prove that we all are involved in an "active islamic group" ... we all know this is completly false and very close to delirium but they brought that as pieces for their defence in a public court in France.Now they are trying to have support of medias, they already sent press folder (witch is a full crap of 65 pages!) only two newspapers wrote on that. But the next step could be higher, they will say that we all finance drugs or worst They already said in a newspaper thatben Laden in person have been see in Morocco to organise personally the traffic !!This is too much, we all have to react or they will ruin the whole community image including the scientists as they declare to the judge that some of them are hiding traffics with al quaeda in exchange ofmoney or rare samples.As we won the first part at the court of Lyon, now we are in a good position to bring them front of high justice, it should takes several months but they will be badly sentenced. This is a shame that such an interesting hobby involving origin of our Solar System, Earth and Life with so many scientifical works are now pointed as network funding horrible things.Please don't hesitate to react and say what you really think of these two people.Cheers from France,Bruno Carinewww.meteorite.fr - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 7:35 PMSubject: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? __Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlistnet/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NPA, 04-1889 Meteorite Almost Hits Steamship During Hurricane (?)
Paper: Trenton Times City: Trenton, New Jersey Date: Saturday, April 13, 1889 MORE ABOUT THE GREAT STORM. The Story Told by the Captai of the Steamship Trople. NEW YORK, April 13. - The British steamship Tropic, Captain Barber, from Pregreso, which place she left March 31, had a remarkable experience during the voyage. The first six days out was uneventful, but when off Hatteras on Saturday, April 6, she encountered a gale. It set in at 8 a.m. and two hours later it took the form of an electrical storm. the lightning was almost incessant, while deafening peals of thunder followed in quick succession. The storm lasted nearly ten hours. At nightfall the sea was running mountain high. It was found necessary to resort to the use of oil to ride out the hurricane, which had become one of the most furious kind. The Tropic lay at the mercy of the elements all night. At 5 o'clock Sunday morning a remarkable brilliant flash of lightning illuminated the sky, followed by a deafening thunder clap. Immediately the sea became fiery red and then darkened to a hue of blood. This phenomenon was attended by a hissing sound which apparently came from overhead. The noise grew in volume and the illumination swiftly increased. The light became so brilliant that none of the crew could distinguish anything but sparks of fire. A large ball of fire was described overhead. It was as large as a good sized balloon. It came slanting toward the steamer and fell into the sea only a few yards from the vessel, filling the air with flakes of fire. Millions of sparks fell in the wake of the fire ball, illuminated the steamer for several minutes. Capt. Barber believes it was a meteor. For some minutes after the ball had sunk into the sea the faces and eyes of the sailors squinted with pain, and the side of the steamer nearest the fire ball was warm. During the disturbance the barometer vibrated 1-10 each way, indicating that it was of metallic substance. Two hours after the meteor fell the Trople's engines gave out under the strain of buffeting the waves the steamer rolled over into the trough of the she, where she lay helpless for nearly forty-eight hours and the sea breaking over her fore and aft. The weather chains were carried away, the bridge smashed. On Wednesday the storm ceased, and the engines and rails were patched up sufficiently to reach this port.Please visit, www.MeteoriteArticles.com, a free on-line archive of meteor and meteorite articles.
Re: [meteorite-list] Nininger Moment #18
Hello Al and list, Al wrote "P.S. Mark Bostick Please include this in your archives. Best!" No problem Al. Thank you for taking the time to add another chapter, I will have it added to my website shortly. Nininger Moments webpage: http://www.meteoritearticles.com/mitterlingmain.html Mark Bostick www.meteoritearticles.com
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RE: [meteorite-list] OT, Ebay alternative?
Hi List, Lets not get carried away here, I think, and would reckon most would agree, Ebay works 99.9% of the time. Do we have to reinvent the wheel for the .1% ? Ken O'Neill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Matt Morgan Sent: 12 March 2004 16:29 To: drtanuki Cc: Tom aka James Knudson; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT, Ebay alternative? Or...lets recall the days of no auctions... Matt drtanuki wrote: Dear Listees: Instead of playing the ebay game why doesn`t someone in this community create an online auction system? There are many computer talented persons on this list and some with capital. Maybe the IMCA could consider a new path? Doable? Consider all of the capital that xyzbay creates. Just my two yen. Dirk Ross...Tokyo Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster. http://search.yahoo.com/?fr=ad-mailsig-home __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] North Carolina IMPACT meteor-wrong
Bernhard . ?? Wouldnt it be something for you ? :-) Lars Pedersen - Original Message - From: John Sinclair [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 5:03 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] North Carolina IMPACT meteor-wrong Mystery object hits home Sean Olson , STAFF WRITER 03/11/2004 High Point Enterprise No one was home when the object hit Joanie Stumpf's Westgate Drive home in north High Point. Sometime between 8:30 a.m. and 2:30 p.m. Tuesday, a metal, egg-shaped object fell from the sky, pierced Stumpf's roof and ceiling, smashed a dent into her hardwood floor and ricocheted more than six feet, breaking a candle holder on the nearby entertainment center. My daughter is the one who found it when she came home from school at about 2:30, Stumpf said. She said something fell onto the roof, and I thought it was a tree and came right home. Given the circumstances, Stumpf and others thought it could be a piece of a plane, a meteorite or a piece of space garbage that's fallen to earth after orbiting the planet's atmosphere. Objects can fall from space, said Tom English, director of the Cline Observatory at Guilford Technical Community College. There are thousands of objects that orbit the earth. As those orbits decay, they can re-enter the atmosphere. It happens fairly frequently. It's more likely that the object came from a place closer than a galaxy far, far away. While it may have been tempting or exciting to think of the object as a meteorite or piece of space trash, David Butler, a meteorite collector and member of the Greensboro Astronomy Club, and Roger Joyner, planetarium curator at the Greensboro Natural Science Center, went to Stumpf's house to take a look at the object, and both believe that the object was likely man-made. It looks like it could have some machine heating, Joyner said as he pointed to small, bluish spots on the object. And there are facets or planes where it looks like it's been cut, he added, pointing to the jagged edges on the surface of the metal. I'd say it's certainly man-made, Butler said after looking at the object under a stereoscope. Joyner theorizes the metal object could have come off a large, industrial shredder like those used in the nearby Ingleside Composting Yard. The piece could have been shot off a piece of their equipment, Joyner thinks. This is probably a piece of their equipment, he said. These striations look like something a machine makes, and it looks blue from heating. The more I look at it, the more this looks like it came off of a piece of machinery. The facility uses large shredders to mulch trees and other debris into mulch. Sean Olson can be contacted at 888-3627 or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ©High Point Enterprise 2004 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT, Ebay alternative? Bernhard :-)
Bernhard . ??Wouldnt it be something for you ?:-)Lars Pedersen - Original Message - From: drtanuki To: Tom aka James Knudson Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT, Ebay alternative? Dear Listees: Instead of playing the ebay game why doesn`t someone in this community create an online auction system? There are many computer talented persons on this list and some with capital. Maybe the IMCA could consider a new path? Doable? Consider all of the capital that xyzbay creates. Just my two yen. Dirk Ross...Tokyo Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster.
[meteorite-list] NWA 869 help! please. : )
Hello List, I think NWA 869 is a pretty nice meteorite, but the slice in the linked picture below seem a little too nice for NWA 869, at least from what I have seen. Does this look like 869 to you? http://www.frontiernet.net/~knudson911/nwa869114gfusion2.jpg Thanks, Tom peregrineflier IMCA #6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Amgala updates and auctions ending tonight
Dear List members, Thank you to all who purchased the recent fall called Amgala from us as we put a tremendous amount of effort into this event. We devoted a great deal of energy and resources acquiring the largest stockpile of this new witnessed fall in the world. Our latest shipment consisted of only five stones so very little more is being found meaning the TKW will probably peak somewhere around 12 Kg, a very small fall indeed. Initial microprobe analysis indicates that this is an H classed chondrite. Additional study is underway because this meteorite is a polymict breccia and is heterogeneous. We donated another slice that has many clasts to science so that unique features can be identified soon. It is being studied collaboratively in two laboratories so that a solid classification will be assigned. We are paying for these studies so that a classification can be done quickly rather than wait year. Some notes of interest: So far 158 specimens have been located including pieces we did not acquire. Of the 158 specimens only four are oriented (2.5%) Only one stone was found displaying Slick-and-Slide The average sized stone is 63.49 grams The average amount of crust is ~76% Only one other fall has been reported in history for the Western Sahara region Only a few finds have ever been made in this region (Maybe because of mine-fields) These numbers are preliminary and will be updated when cataloging is complete. We currently have 43 Amgala meteorite auctions ending tonight on ebay. These are among the best specimens available, many with 100% crust so check them out! To see these and another 100 plus auctions check out the link below: http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/meteoritelab/ For those who do not use ebay contact us with your wishes and we will be pleased to try and satisfy your order. Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck. Wishing everybody the best, Adam and Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection IMCA 2185 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] meteorites - money for terrorism
Can someone make an effort to get the documents concerning this case digitized and uploaded to the Web? A lot of work, I know. But I think a lot of us with computers, and without Faxes, would like to read them in French... Cheers, Nick __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fw: blueberry triplets?
From: chris sharp To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 9:50 PM Subject: blueberry triplets? Hi List, I was surfing the Mar's rover sites and stumbled across this image. http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/1/m/046/1M132266828EFF05AMP2937M2M1.HTML cheers to all chris sharp __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] glassface1 giving wrong info
Hi List, This was a glassface auction? Forgive my previous comments in in defense of Maganesse nodules. I wonder now if they are really oceanic nodules knowing this guys reputation.Who is this guy anyhow? Howard Wu Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
[meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images - March 8-12, 2004
MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES March 8-12, 2004 o South Polar Cap (Released 8 March 2004) http://themis.la.asu.edu/zoom-20040308a.html o South-Pole Swiss Cheese (Released 9 March 2004) http://themis.la.asu.edu/zoom-20040309a.html o Korolev Crater in Infrared (Released 10 March 2004) http://themis.la.asu.edu/zoom-20040310a.html o Northern Polar Spring in IR (Released 11 March 2004) http://themis.la.asu.edu/zoom-20040311a.html o Southern Spring in False Color (Released 12 March 2004) http://themis.la.asu.edu/zoom-20040312a.html All of the THEMIS images are archived here: http://themis.la.asu.edu/latest.html NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University, Tempe, in collaboration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD:Not a happy 'Campo'
Hi Howard, et. al., Most Pure ethanol still has 4% water. Why not use 99% isopropanol, for the money probably the best buy. I think denatured alcohol is higher than 96% ethyl alcohol; however, the impurities put into make it undrinkable (and thus comparatively cheap since it isn't taxed like liquor) remind me that I should look into what those impurities ARE. Could be that when denatured alcohol evaporates, it leaves behind the sticky residue of whatever those impurities happen to be, and that might not be so good for meteorites. I'd be surprised if isopropanol was any cheaper per gallon than denatured alcohol -- always seems pretty expensive at the drugstore. And if you're using either ethanol or isopropanol as a soaking solution with sodium hydroxide, you're going to have to add water anyway -- I don't think NaOH is very soluble in either one. --Rob
[meteorite-list] Valera Affidavit
Can someone tell me where I can get a copy of the affidavit that pertains to the Valera meteorite (aka cow killer)? Thanks, Tom Kingery __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] TSCHERMAK G. (1885)
TSCHERMAK G. (1885) Die mikroskopische Beschaffenheit der Meteoriten (Stuttgart E. Schweizerbart'sche Verlags- handlung, E. Koch, 23 pp.). English Translation: The Microscopic Properties of Meteorites, Vol. 4, No. 6 (Smithsonian Contributions to Astrophysics, Washington, D.C., 1964). General Characteristics of Meteorites Exterior form Meteorites are irregular in shape, being bounded by the surfaces that are produced by chance in the breaking of massive rock. Thus, they have the form of fragments. However, their edges are frequently rounded off, and uneven surfaces are smoothed. Nearly all meteorites are coated with a dark crust, showing evidence, of melting and sometimes also of fluid flow; this is usually called a fusion crust. The crust, on iron meteorites has the appearance and characteristics of hammer scale, being, like the latter, an oxidation layer. The rounding off of meteorites and the formation of crusts and flow structures are understood as the effects of air resistance and heat formed by the compression of air when objects enter the atmosphere at planetary velocities. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Canyon Diablo knives?
Hello list, I know knives have been made of meteoritic irons. Is it possible to make one with a Canyon Diablo, can you forge it ? Thanks for your help. Peter M. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] TSCHERMAK G. (1885) - Part 2
TSCHERMAK G. (1885) Die mikroskopische Beschaffenheit der Meteoriten (Stuttgart E. Schweizerbart'sche Verlagshandlung, E. Koch, 23 pp.). English Translation: The Microscopic Properties of Meteorites, Vol. 4, No. 6 (Smithsonian Contributions to Astrophysics, Washington, D.C., 1964). Translation by J.A. Wood and E.M. Wood General Characteristics of Meteorites Textures Several different coarse textures or structures are observed in meteorites. Many irons have no structure. They consist of a single crystal (e.g., Braunau) or a pattern of oriented crystals (Hraschina, Toluca). Others are granular (Zacatecas, Santa Rosa). The meteorites that are transitional between irons and stones often have a porphyritic appearance, with the silicate grains and crystals apparently floating in a groundmass of iron (e.g., the mass discovered by Pallas at Krasnojarsk). Some stony-irons contain numerous silicate grains in a delicate iron network (Hainholz). Some irons have the character of a breccia, enclosing silicate rock fragments (Netschaevo, Copiapo). Breccias of gray fragments cemented together by a darker groundmass are common among the stony meteorites (Shytal, St. Mesmin, Pulsora). Occasionally this structure is indistinct (Juvinas), and only an alter- nation between coarse-grained and fine-grained areas can be observed. The groundmass between fragments is occasionally black and semivitreous; it shows traces or distinct evidence of fluid flow, as can be seen in sections of Orvinio and Chantonnay. All gradations exist between obviously brecciated structures and homogeneous rock; in section, the groundmasses of these may show only as fine, dark lines running in disarray, or as areas with a cloudy texture or a marbled appearance. Haidinger has called attention to these brecciated and tuffaceous structures. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Canyon Diablo knives?
I think most of the knife makers who forge blades out of meteorites prefer to use Gibeon iron due to its tight structure and high nickel content. There is an Arizona knife maker in the Tucson area by the name of Tai Goo who forges damascus blades using iron meteorites. You might want to check with him to find out Canyon Diablos can be used in this process. www.taigoo.com Best, John Gwilliam At 11:33 PM 3/12/2004 +0100, Peter Marmet wrote: Hello list, I know knives have been made of meteoritic irons. Is it possible to make one with a Canyon Diablo, can you forge it ? Thanks for your help. Peter M. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD:Not a happy 'Campo'
Usually Methanol is an impurity. It is poisonous if taken internally. Rosie - Original Message - From: Matson, Robert To: 'Howard Wu' ; mark ford ; Bob C. ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 12:57 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] AD:Not a happy 'Campo' Hi Howard, et. al., Most Pure ethanol still has 4% water. Why not use 99% isopropanol, for the money probably the best buy. I think denatured alcohol is higher than 96% ethyl alcohol; however, the impurities put into make it undrinkable (and thus comparatively cheap since it isn't taxed like liquor) remind me that I should look into what those impurities ARE. Could be that when denatured alcohol evaporates, it leaves behind the sticky residue of whatever those impurities happen to be, and that might not be so good for meteorites. I'd be surprised if isopropanol was any cheaper per gallon than denatured alcohol -- always seems pretty expensive at the drugstore. And if you're using either ethanol or isopropanol as a soaking solution with sodium hydroxide, you're going to have to add water anyway -- I don't think NaOH is very soluble in either one. --Rob
Re: [meteorite-list] Canyon Diablo knives?
Hello Peter and List I have several knifes made with iron meteorite in the blade and have showed them around at the Tucson show this year. These knifes are made with iron meteorite and forge with tool steel on the cutting edge, meteorite iron only knifes will not hold an edge and will rust. There made by a great Swedish knife craftsman, A. Andersson, one of the top knife makers around, you can see for yourself his work with knifes is great. The meteorite knifes I have are with Campo, Chinga. and a Odessa come soon, all made with a exploding patter Damascus steel cutting edge and very sharp. He's known for his Exploding patter. Here's a link to the photo's Early stage of the Campo knife http://www.geocities.com/arizonaviking2000/meteoriteblade.jpg Finished knife with Mammoth Ivory Handle and Campo Bolster http://www.geocities.com/arizonaviking2000/fallingstarknife.jpg There's an early stage Chinga Blade. http://www.geocities.com/arizonaviking2000/Chingaviking.jpg You can order these direct from the knife make, he makes meteorite knifes on a custom orders only, give your requirements, type of handle and blade type and meteorite to be used, prices runs from $500 to $800, depending on the Handle and type. Also all knifes come with a custom hand tooled leather sheath. His attention to every detail, makes it well worth the price. Here A link to the knife makers home page. http://www.northland.nu/ Thanks again for your time Keith V Chandler AZ - Original Message - From: Peter Marmet [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 3:33 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Canyon Diablo knives? Hello list, I know knives have been made of meteoritic irons. Is it possible to make one with a Canyon Diablo, can you forge it ? Thanks for your help. Peter M. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Alcohol denaturing agents
Hi All, I did a little poking around on line and I was surprised by the variety of denaturing agents that are used to render ethanol undrinkable. Perhaps someone with more chemistry knowledge can assess how bad any of the following might be to meteorites: 1. methanol (as Rosie pointed out) -- shouldn't be too bad, given that it's just wood alcohol. 2.ethyl acetate 3. kerosene 4. gasoline 5. benzene 6. methyl isobutyl ketone 7. acetone 8. diethyl phthalate 9. crotonaldehyde 10. brucine sulfate There are others, but these are the most common ones. --Rob
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: blueberry triplets?
Reminds be of budding yeast. Rosie - Original Message - From: chris sharp [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 12:37 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: blueberry triplets? From: chris sharp To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 9:50 PM Subject: blueberry triplets? Hi List, I was surfing the Mar's rover sites and stumbled across this image. http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/1/m/046/1M132266828EFF05AMP2937M2M1.HTML cheers to all chris sharp __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] VCI Emitter Pre-Sale Rust Prevention
Start preparing your meteorite displays and containers for the humidity around the corner. Hi List.. I am currently taking pre-orders for VCI Emitters. VCI's (vapor corrosion inhibitors) emitters give off vapors which deposit a molecular layer of corrosion protection on all exposed metal surfaces of your specimens. Each emitter protects one cubic foot of enclosed space for up to two years. These emitters are especially nice for protecting H-chondrites, irons, pallasites, and mesosiderites. VCI emitters are FDA and USDA approved, non-toxic, safe to handle, and give off very little to no scent when the enclosed space is open for specimen removal. The best thing is..the layer of protection on each specimen will NOT be immediately disturbed while the protection area is open. As soon as you re-close the space the VCI's being emitted will vaporize within the enclosed space and replenish the protection on the surfaces of your iron-bearing meteorites. I have been using these emitters in each of my displays for over 6 months and they seem to be working very nicely. Each emitter will be US$4.75, postage included. However, actual international postage may be necessary. Please email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the quantity that you would be interested in purchasing. I only have about 6 of these currently remaining on a first come, first served basis; all other requests will be put on a pre-order to be filled within the next week or so. Once I receive the emitters, I will email you with your total and payment info. I will be accepting cash (at your own risk), money order, personal check, and Paypal (to [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Thank You. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Madrid massacre, (OT)
ETA (the armed basque separatist group) denied responsibility for these attacks on Friday. But let´s see... http://www.madridpost.com/ http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsPackageArticle.jhtml?type=topNewsstoryID=474856section=news pekka s [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi List, Coincidence ? The 11th of March (eleventh) 912 days after 9/11 .Would have been 911 days if not a leap year this year. Didn't these atrocities occur at rush hour a.m. both locations , don't know the exact times ? Ken O'Neill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael Farmer Sent: 11 March 2004 15:50 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Madrid massacre I am not sure you have all seen the news, but a massive terrorist attack has occurred in Madrid. I always stay near the Atocha train station in Madrid, and some of the bombs went off there. I was there one week ago! It wakes you up a little to see that. What is this world coming too, every day nothing but bombings and terror attacks all over the place. Now I know why Bob Haag just wants to stay home with his kids. Mike Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Pekka Savolainen Jokiharjuntie 4 FIN-71330 Rasala FINLAND + 358 400 818 912 Group Home Page: http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/eurocoin Group Email Address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD:Not a happy 'Campo'
So using 96% Ethanol is much safer and much more fun... worth to pay the taxes...;- sorry, just some finnish "weekend thoughts"... pekka s Rosemary Hackney wrote: Usually Methanol is an impurity. It is poisonous if taken internally. Rosie - Original Message - From: Matson, Robert To: 'Howard Wu' ; mark ford ; Bob C.; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 12:57PM Subject: [meteorite-list] AD:Not a happy'Campo' HiHoward, et. al., Most Pure ethanol still has 4% water. Why not use 99%isopropanol, for the money probably the best buy. Ithink denatured alcohol is higher than 96% ethyl alcohol; however,the impurities put into make it undrinkable (and thus comparativelycheap since it isn't taxed like liquor) remind me that I should look intowhat those impurities ARE. Could be that when denatured alcoholevaporates, itleaves behind the sticky residue of whatever those impuritieshappen tobe, and that might not be so good for meteorites. I'dbe surprised if isopropanol was any cheaper per gallon thandenatured alcohol -- always seems pretty expensive at the drugstore. And ifyou're using either ethanol or isopropanol as a soaking solution withsodium hydroxide, you're going to have to add water anyway -- I don'tthink NaOHis very soluble in either one. --Rob -- Pekka Savolainen Jokiharjuntie 4 FIN-71330 Rasala FINLAND + 358 400 818 912 Group Home Page: http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/eurocoin Group Email Address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [meteorite-list] Alcohol denaturing agents
Hi Rob and List, According to Bob Haag's Field Guide of Meteorites, 12th Anniversary Edition, 1997 [Thanks Roman Jurasik!], Bob cut his Pena Blanca Springs, Texas (Ca-poor aubrite) with ...kerosene as a lubricant, in order to preserve the rare, water-soluble minerals inside (Pg. 27, #69). Yes, there is a question of damage as well as how do you now clean the meteorite of the kerosene? Regards, Maria Original Message Follows From: Matson, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Alcohol denaturing agents Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 17:25:28 -0800 Hi All, I did a little poking around on line and I was surprised by the variety of denaturing agents that are used to render ethanol undrinkable. Perhaps someone with more chemistry knowledge can assess how bad any of the following might be to meteorites: 1. methanol (as Rosie pointed out) -- shouldn't be too bad, given that it's just wood alcohol. 2. ethyl acetate 3. kerosene 4. gasoline 5. benzene 6. methyl isobutyl ketone 7. acetone 8. diethyl phthalate 9. crotonaldehyde 10. brucine sulfate There are others, but these are the most common ones. --Rob _ Store more e-mails with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage 4 plans to choose from! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Alcohol denaturing agents
Having done museum conservation, I would say acetone would be safe to meteorites. -- no smoking please -- Nick __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
