Re: [meteorite-list] Largest stony meteorites
You forgot about Kunya-Urgench (Turkmenistan) - 900kg (?) - Original Message - From: Sociedad Meteoritica Argentina [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 3:54 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Largest stony meteorites What about the largest stony meteorites? This is my list: Jilin (China) - 1,770kg Norton County (U.S.A.) - 1,070Kg Paragould (U.S.A.) - 373kg Hugoton (U.S.A.) - 325kg Knyahinya (Ukraine) - 293kg Estacado (U.S.A.) - 290kg Tsarev (Russia) - 284kg Morland (U.S.A.) - 283kg Clovis I (U.S.A.) - 283kg Río Limay (Argentina) - 280kg Alfianello (Italy) - 228kg Moshesh (South Africa) - 200kg Djati-Pengilon (Indonesia) - 166kg Garabato (Argentina) - 160kg Saratov (Russia) - 159kg Glasatovo (Russia) - 150kg Dhurmsala (India) - 150kg Montferre (France) - 149kg Bluff (U.S.A.) - 145kg Molina (Spain) - 144kg Oscar A. Turone -- Sociedad Meteorítica Argentina Pizarro 5674 - (1440) Buenos Aires - Argentina Telefax: 4642 3799 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://webs.sinectis.com.ar/oaturone http://www.geocities.com/hatumpampa/Boletin.html http://www.geocities.com/funmetar/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Largest stony meteorites
and also Saint-Severin (France) : 271kg Pierre-Marie Pele www.meteor-center.com Vous manquez despace pour stocker vos mails ? Yahoo! Mail vous offre GRATUITEMENT 100 Mo ! Créez votre Yahoo! Mail sur http://fr.benefits.yahoo.com/ Le nouveau Yahoo! Messenger est arrivé ! Découvrez toutes les nouveautés pour dialoguer instantanément avec vos amis. A télécharger gratuitement sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture Of The Day - October 27, 2004
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[meteorite-list] cancun
hi from sunny cancun people.95 and sunny here.hope all is well with my fellow follow collecters.Isee proud tom is having a field day again at my expence.Oh well life goes on down here.It is really great. I found some great looking shells, no meteorites.Oh well, take care all.I will check to see if I have another 300 emails when I get home.Ans as always proud tom, keep up the good work.Live from cancun,mexico.Have a good day all!! steve arnold, cancun, mexico, via chicago, usa ! = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Messenger - Communicate in real time. Download now. http://messenger.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NPA 10-15-1941 Nininger Finds Tiny Holbrook Meteorites
Paper: Hopewell Herald City: Hopewell, New Jersey Date: Wednesday, October 15, 1941 Page: 3 Discover Tiniest Meteorites Discovery of the three tiniest meteorites on record, with a total weight of less than a tenth of a gram, has been claimed by three western scientists. Making the announcement were Dr. Frederick C. Leonard, professor of astronomy at the University of California at Los Angeles, and Dr. and Mrs. H. H. Nininger of the Colorado Museum of Natural History. The minute meteorites were found as the result of dragging alnico magnets through a number of ant hills near Holbrook, Ariz. In the process evidence were discovered that falling meteorites are accompanied usually by showers of meteoritic dust and sand-like particles, which, according to the scientists, may mark the beginning of a new and important phase in the study of meteorites. (end) Clear Skies, Wichita, Kansas Mark Bostick http://www.meteoritearticles.com http://www.kansasmeteoritesociety.com http://www.imca.cc __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NPA 11-04-2001 Haag Hunters Portales Valley
Paper: Star Herald City: Scottsbluff, Nebraska Date: Sunday, November 4, 2001 Page: 2B Meteorite hunters scour the Southwest for space rocks PHOENIX (AP) - The sunshine sparking on his meteorite-encrusted wedding ring and Van Halen blaring from his car stereo, Bob Haag rolled into Portales, N.M., looking for space rocks. He had heard the news less than 24 hours earlier. Rare iron-rich stone meteorites had landed near the eastern New Mexico town. Armed with a pocket full of $100 bills and banking on another big score, the self-styled long-haired hippy kid from Tucson hit the road. He was in town before the stones had time to cool. This the world of the meteorite hunter, where a handful of pros like Haag and legions of metal detector-toting amateurs comb the Southwest in search of celestial tidbits more valuable than gold. Without a doubt, I have the best job in the galaxy, Haag said. But you don't have to be a rocket scientist. You do a little research find where meteorites have fallen, and just go there and look. That's it. There's no magic. In 25 years of hunting meteorites, Haag has followed million-dollar falls, multiple meteorite drops that happen about every 1,000 days, to Egypt, Russia, Japan and more than 50 other countries. He has built an extensive collection, which he said has been appraised at $25 million. These are pieces of stars that have never been seen on Earth before, Haag said. It's so 2001 Space Odyssey, so Buck Rogers spaceman, so Marvin the Martina. These are today's new treasures, and we don't even have to leave the planet to get them. During his search for Portales in 1998, Haag started working the residents immediately, handing out pictures of the meteorite and posting Wanted!' posters at the town's barber shop and Wal-Mart promising a reward. Soon, a crew of housewives, teen-agers and retired men were scouring the desert scrub behind their homes. Haag, shelled out about $15,000 for three of the 60 meteorites that were eventually recovered - including $5,000 to a child on a bike. He guesses that the three rocks are worth at least twice what he paid though he hasn't sold them. Most hunters agree there's more to the quest than money. (end) Clear Skies, Wichita, Kansas Mark Bostick http://www.meteoritearticles.com http://www.kansasmeteoritesociety.com http://www.imca.cc __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NPA 03-16-1983 Scientists believe meteorite comes from Mars
Paper: Syracuse Herald Journal City: Syracuse, New York Date: Tuesday, March 16, 1983 Page: A-2 Scientists believe meteorite comes from Mars By John Noble Wilford New York Times Service MINNEAPOLIS - A grayish-brown chunk of rock, a meteorite found on the ice of Antarctica four years ago, has sent a shock wave of excitement through the laboratories of planetary science Its drab appearance belies its apparently exotic province. The rock very likely comes from Mars. If scientists are right about this, and the evidence is becoming more and more persuasive, the meteorite would assume an importance in the history of science comparable to that of the first moon rocks returned by the Apollo astronauts. IT would be the first known object from another planet to reach the Earth. It would afford scientists their first chance to study in detail the chemistry and geology of Mars. Tests on pieces of the meteorite recently have erased most uncertainty about its Martian origin. After an analysis of gases trapped in the meteorite, Dr. Robert O. Pepin, a University of Minnesota physicists, emerged from his laboratory last week and exclaimed: It's from Mars. I don't think there's any doubt. Later, checking his enthusiasm, Pepin modified his assessment, saying: The evidence is extremely strong, but still not conclusive. That seems to be the attitude of most scientists who have examined the meteorite and we be comparing notes Thursday at the annual Lunar and Planetary Conference in Houston. The rock's volcanic history, age and chemistry all suggest it originated on Mars. The only serious problem, according to scientists, is the question of how the rock could have escaped Mars. Dr. Donald D. Bogard, a geologist at the Johnson Space Center in Houston, custodian for this and other rare meteorites, said impressive geochemical evidence had now moved physicists to think hard about circumstances in which you can get fragments off Mars. One promising idea is that an asteroid hit Mars with such force that it not only tore rocky fragments out of the surface but it also turned permafrost to steam, and that helped it propel the rocks to velocities that enabled them to break free of Martian gravity. Such imaginative thinking follows several years of detective work in which scientists followed a trail of clues extracted from the meteorite itself to make a case for a likely Martian connection. At first they were sure only that this was a most unusual meteorite. The 17.5 pound rock, eight inches in diameter, was picked up in 1979 at the Elephant Moraine near Antarctica's McMurdo Sound by a team of American scientists. They were there under the auspices of the National Science Foundation, the Smithsonian Institution and the National Aeronautics and Space Administration. (end) Clear Skies, Mark Bostick Wichita, Kansas http://www.meteoritearticles.com http://www.kansasmeteoritesociety.com http://www.imca.cc Reminder: The NPA in the subject line, stands for Newspaper Article. I have been doing this to for use of the meteorite-list search engine at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/maillist.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NPA 01-17-1996 Big Bucks paid for meteorites, Steve Arnold (IMB)
Paper: The Valley Independent City: Monessen, Pennsylvania Date: Wednesday, January 17, 1996 Page: 8A (Valley Life Section) Pennies from Heaven Big bucks paid for meteorites By DOUG BAKER Thomson News Service MARION, Ohio - If you have a big, shiny rock in the back yard or on your farm, it may be worth thousands of dollars. Steve Arnold, director of the American Meteorite Institute, is in search of meteorites. Arnold's Oklahoma-based organization will pay landowners about $50 per pound, up to 100 pounds, for meteorites on their property. The type of meteorite also impacts the price per pound. The price per pound for rocks over 100 pounds goes down, but if the rock is big enough it could net its owner up to $10,000. Thousands of meteorites are plowed up each year but few are recognized. Arnold is especially encouraging farmers to be on the lookout for rocks with these characteristics: *extremely heavy, *smooth exterior, like lava; *rounded corners; *black, brown or rusty to color; *magnets will usually attract to them, *surface may have indentations resembling thumb prints; *filing a corner of the rock with an emery board will reveal small metal specks. Of these indicators, weight is one of the most telling. A rock the size of a cantaloupe weighs 10 pounds, but a meteor of the same size would weigh 25 pounds. Arnold will be in Ohio next week to speak with people who believe they have found meteorites. With a little luck something new might turn up, Arnold said. In Hale County, Texas, there have been 15 different meteorites found. A farmer who had a watermelon-sized rock in his garden for 15 years discovered it was actually a 100-pound meteorite worth $5,000. Meteorites are valuable to scientists since they contain materials that have remained basically unchanged since the formation of the universe, Arnold said. Since each meteorite is unique, the possibilities for valuable new information exist with each newly discovered meteorite. That is why it is important to get the rocks identified and made available to researchers. Arnold said there have been seven meteorites found in Ohio ranging from two pounds to more than 100. In Kansas, more than 130 meteorites have been found. You guys (Ohioans) should have 70 meteorites,: Arnold said. There's a heck of a lot of them ot there that haven't been found. Some studies suggest there should be an average of one meteorite for every 5.5 acres, Arnold said. If a meteorite is located, Arnold will then contact the neighbors living in a four- or five-mile radius of the property where it was found. (You're) typically looking at about a 50-50 chance that when one comes in it will break up into pieces. Arnold said. Most meteor showers which have taken place during the past 150 years are logging in one scientific journal or another. Those who think they may have a meteorite in their possession should chip off a walnut-sized piece of the rock and send it to Arnold at: American Meteorite Institute. 8177 S. Harvard 610, Tulsa, Okla., 74137. Arnold urges those who suspect, a meteor to go ahead and send the rock, even though it might be a meteorwrong. My attitude is if 50 people send me 'meteorwrongs' and one turns out to be a 'right', then that is better than getting none of them, Arnold said. (end) PDF copes, via e-mail, are available of all newspaper articles posted today upon request. Clear Skies, Mark Bostick Wichita, Kansas http://www.meteoritearticles.com http://www.kansasmeteoritesociety.com http://www.imca.cc __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NPA 01-17-1996 Big Bucks paid for meteorites, Steve Arnold (IMB)
Paper: The Valley Independent City: Monessen, Pennsylvania Date: Wednesday, January 17, 1996 Page: 8A (Valley Life Section) Pennies from Heaven Big bucks paid for meteorites By DOUG BAKER Thomson News Service MARION, Ohio - If you have a big, shiny rock in the back yard or on your farm, it may be worth thousands of dollars. Steve Arnold, director of the American Meteorite Institute, is in search of meteorites. Arnold's Oklahoma-based organization will pay landowners about $50 per pound, up to 100 pounds, for meteorites on their property. The type of meteorite also impacts the price per pound. The price per pound for rocks over 100 pounds goes down, but if the rock is big enough it could net its owner up to $10,000. Thousands of meteorites are plowed up each year but few are recognized. Arnold is especially encouraging farmers to be on the lookout for rocks with these characteristics: *extremely heavy, *smooth exterior, like lava; *rounded corners; *black, brown or rusty to color; *magnets will usually attract to them, *surface may have indentations resembling thumb prints; *filing a corner of the rock with an emery board will reveal small metal specks. Of these indicators, weight is one of the most telling. A rock the size of a cantaloupe weighs 10 pounds, but a meteor of the same size would weigh 25 pounds. Arnold will be in Ohio next week to speak with people who believe they have found meteorites. With a little luck something new might turn up, Arnold said. In Hale County, Texas, there have been 15 different meteorites found. A farmer who had a watermelon-sized rock in his garden for 15 years discovered it was actually a 100-pound meteorite worth $5,000. Meteorites are valuable to scientists since they contain materials that have remained basically unchanged since the formation of the universe, Arnold said. Since each meteorite is unique, the possibilities for valuable new information exist with each newly discovered meteorite. That is why it is important to get the rocks identified and made available to researchers. Arnold said there have been seven meteorites found in Ohio ranging from two pounds to more than 100. In Kansas, more than 130 meteorites have been found. You guys (Ohioans) should have 70 meteorites,: Arnold said. There's a heck of a lot of them ot there that haven't been found. Some studies suggest there should be an average of one meteorite for every 5.5 acres, Arnold said. If a meteorite is located, Arnold will then contact the neighbors living in a four- or five-mile radius of the property where it was found. (You're) typically looking at about a 50-50 chance that when one comes in it will break up into pieces. Arnold said. Most meteor showers which have taken place during the past 150 years are logging in one scientific journal or another. Those who think they may have a meteorite in their possession should chip off a walnut-sized piece of the rock and send it to Arnold at: American Meteorite Institute. 8177 S. Harvard 610, Tulsa, Okla., 74137. Arnold urges those who suspect, a meteor to go ahead and send the rock, even though it might be a meteorwrong. My attitude is if 50 people send me 'meteorwrongs' and one turns out to be a 'right', then that is better than getting none of them, Arnold said. (end) PDF copes, via e-mail, are available of all newspaper articles posted today upon request. Clear Skies, Mark Bostick Wichita, Kansas http://www.meteoritearticles.com http://www.kansasmeteoritesociety.com http://www.imca.cc __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Largest single Pallasite?
Geetings and salutations, I am in agreement with Al Mitterling, concerning the Port Orford Meteorite. If anyone would read carefully Plotkins book put out by the Smithsonian, check all of his references, and then look at the information he does not quote from, or refer to, they would get a completely different picture. Plotkin refers to a series of letters, or correspondence from two gentlemen, who were on a steamboat with Evans going up the Missouri river, towards a point that they intended to get off and proceed to the Bad Lands. Before they got on the boat, in the correspondence that Plotkin does not quote or refer to, they say how Evans loaned them money so that they could buy the supplies they needed for their trip. They were on a fixed budget, with no idea as to how much anything would cost, in the then frontier state of Missouri. They didn't know about the cost of mules, horses, food, camping gear, or even the fees for getting on board the steamboat. But Plotkin, leads us to believe that Evans could not manage money. That is a recurring theme throughout his work. But that theme is unfounded. He says that Evans concocted the hoax so as to pay off debts incurred sometime between 1856 and 1858. However, he does not mention how in 1858, there was a world wide economic panic, or what we would call today, a depression. He does not mention how one gentleman in California, at the same time, was asked by his superiors in St. Louis, as to what he thought should be done with the bank they owned, a branch that he was the manager of, in San Francisco? His response was to close it, which they did. They transferred him to New York City, where the same thing happened. That gentlemans name was William Tecumseh Sherman, of Sherman's march to the sea fame during the civil war. Plotkin makes it sound as if Evans was the only one in financial trouble. Yet if anyone reads through a history of Geology in the United States, he would find instance after instance, where almost everyone contracted by the U. S. Government for a period of over one hundred years, starting in the 1830's and going into the 1940's, has been short changed, by not being paid enough for their efforts, and in some cases they never recieved payment at all, even though they had a contract for doing the work and being paid for it. One such case is of a gentleman, who was contracted to survey the State of Michigan, in the 1830's. He hired a couple of men to help him. They were at work, when one of those men decided he knew more about what was going on, and he told both his boss, as well as the government. The goverment decided to listen to that man, and did not pay the man in charge. He quit in disqust, and always held a grudge against the government until he died. That man was C. T. Jackson, the very same chemist that Evans sent the samples to around 1858-1859. It was he who found the sample that he said was a meteorite. By the way, why in 1860, when he wrote the first paper about the Port Orford meteorite, why did he use the word specimens, plural, not singular. This would imply that he had more than one piece. Why is it that he himself had been collecting meteorites since the 1830's and nobody mentions that in relation to the suppossed hoax. He himself put out a 3-6 page catalogue of meteorites in his own collection. How do we not know that he kept the original Port Orford specimen (s), and substituted a piece of Imilac, which has made it down to us today, and history. This would explain why Lincoln La Paz back in the 1930's during the course of his searches for the Port Orford, he was told by the Museum in Boston that they still had the Port Orford in their collection, which by that time, the SMithsonian claims to have already purchased it from them. The long and the short of it, is simply this. There are too many questions about Plotkin's work that does not correlate with the historical record. I suggest everyone should get out and research it, and not take the word of Plotkin, just because he has the Smithsonian behind them. Bob Warren _ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: Fw: [meteorite-list] Meteorite postcards
Sorry if you received this one already. Hi Jose Actually several meteorites have been shown on postcards. I went through mine (125 cards) and my brothers (200 cards) collections. Here are the ones I found including; Published before 1995 1 Cape York Ahnighto several different 2 Willamette several different...this is probably the first meteorite on a post card. Bill has two different cards cancelled on 1908. 3 Navajoby Chicago FM 4 Springwater by Am Met Mus ASU 5 Brenham several 6 Canyon Diablo several 7 Red River by Peabody 8 Allende by ASU 9 pseudo meteorite Ridgley County Maryland 10 several unidentified from photos inside museums including Am Met Mus and a German Museum. Published after 1995 1 NWA 482 from Jim Strope two types 2 NWA 998 from Jim Strope two types 3 all from Mark Bostick NWA 869, Gold Basin, Park Forest, NWA 998, Millbillillie, Bilanga and Wichita 4 Ghubara by D Pitt 5 Gibeon by D Pitt 6 Esquel by French museum 7 Hoba (I don't have this one..anyone with some extras?) 8 Cool set published by TCU (I don't have a set yet) 9 I'm sure there are lots more. Any one know of any others? Any for sale??? Mike Mike Jensen IMCA 4264 Bill Jensen IMCA 2359 Jensen Meteorites 16730 E Ada PL Aurora, CO 80017-3137 303-337-4361 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Largest stony meteorites
Hello Martin, Pierre list, As Martin said I forgot the Kunya-Urgench main mass. Respect the St. Severin mentioned by Pierre, 271kg was the total mass (8 stones), it is not the weight of the largest single mass of this meteorite. But if the information in the Blue Book is correct, a mass of 197kg remain in the MHN of París. Please may somebody in France confirm this information? So, at the moment the list could be: Jilin (China) - 1,770kg Norton County (U.S.A.) - 1,070kg Kunya-Urgench (Turkmenistan) 900kg Paragould (U.S.A.) - 373kg Hugoton (U.S.A.) - 325kg Knyahinya (Ukraine) - 293kg Estacado (U.S.A.) - 290kg Tsarev (Russia) - 284kg Morland (U.S.A.) - 283kg Clovis I (U.S.A.) - 283kg Río Limay (Argentina) - 280kg Alfianello (Italy) - 228kg Moshesh (South Africa) - 200kg St. Severin (France) 197kg Djati-Pengilon (Indonesia) - 166kg Garabato (Argentina) - 160kg Saratov (Russia) - 159kg Glasatovo (Russia) - 150kg Dhurmsala (India) - 150kg Montferre (France) - 149kg Bluff (U.S.A.) - 145kg Molina (Spain) - 144kg Oscar A. Turone -- Sociedad Meteorítica Argentina Pizarro 5674 - (1440) Buenos Aires - Argentina Telefax: 4642 3799 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://webs.sinectis.com.ar/oaturone http://www.geocities.com/hatumpampa/Boletin.html http://www.geocities.com/funmetar/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite postcards
Hi Mike et. al., I had some postcards of two Washington state meteorites a while ago, but I sold them possibly to someone on this list. I believe they were of Waterville, and maybe Withrow (but I am not sure on this one). I'll keep thinking. Cheers, Martin On Oct 27, 2004, at 8:52 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry if you received this one already. Hi Jose Actually several meteorites have been shown on postcards. I went through mine (125 cards) and my brothers (200 cards) collections. Here are the ones I found including; Published before 1995 1 Cape York Ahnighto several different 2 Willamette several different...this is probably the first meteorite on a post card. Bill has two different cards cancelled on 1908. 3 Navajoby Chicago FM 4 Springwater by Am Met Mus ASU 5 Brenham several 6 Canyon Diablo several 7 Red River by Peabody 8 Allende by ASU 9 pseudo meteorite Ridgley County Maryland 10 several unidentified from photos inside museums including Am Met Mus and a German Museum. Published after 1995 1 NWA 482 from Jim Strope two types 2 NWA 998 from Jim Strope two types 3 all from Mark Bostick NWA 869, Gold Basin, Park Forest, NWA 998, Millbillillie, Bilanga and Wichita 4 Ghubara by D Pitt 5 Gibeon by D Pitt 6 Esquel by French museum 7 Hoba (I don't have this one..anyone with some extras?) 8 Cool set published by TCU (I don't have a set yet) 9 I'm sure there are lots more. Any one know of any others? Any for sale??? Mike Mike Jensen IMCA 4264 Bill Jensen IMCA 2359 Jensen Meteorites 16730 E Ada PL Aurora, CO 80017-3137 303-337-4361 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The misplaced Murray Meteorite
Great specimen of Rose City but I think the caption is a bit understated. It says: Rose City, Michigan, ordinary chondrite. Photo by Charles F. Lewis. At the very least it should have stated (in part): ..extraordinary, ordinary chondrite.. A very cool specimen to say the least. Thanks. Frank Below is a link to a gallery of meteorite images at Arizona State University. There is a picture of the Murray meteorite here. While you're there, take the time to look at their wonderful Rose City specimen. http://meteorites.asu.edu/gallery.htm Best, JKGwilliam __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: Fw: [meteorite-list] Meteorite postcards, Wanted
Hello everyone again, There are a few advertisement postcards sent by meteorite dealers that some of you might have, that I would be interested in. Mike Farmer made one on the Bilanga meteorite I think, or I read reference to such on the list once. Also Blaine Reed made two different postcards when lunar meteorites first came up for sale. If any of the list members that were collectors during this time, has them and would part with them, please let me know. Mark Bostick www.meteoritearticles.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Day From Hell May Have Killed Off Dinosaurs
http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsPackageArticle.jhtml?type=topNewsstoryID=610337 Day from hell may have killed off dinosaurs By Alistair Bell Reuters October 27, 2004 YAXCOPOIL, Mexico - One minute you're a big T-Rex, the next you're toast. Challenging conventional theory, new scientific research suggests the dinosaurs may have been scorched into extinction by an asteroid collision 65 million years ago that unleashed 10 billion times more power than the Hiroshima nuclear bomb. Earth's temperatures soared, the sky turned red and trees all over the planet burst into flames, said atmospheric physicist Brian Toon of the University of Colorado. Among the few survivors would have been animals living in water or burrowed in the ground like turtles, small mammals and crocodiles. Essentially, if you were exposed you were broiled alive. That is probably what happened to the dinosaurs. They were big creatures that didn't have anywhere to hide, said Toon. Scholarly debate over how the dinosaurs died is fierce and the theory put forward by Toon and others adds one more twist to the greatest forensic mystery of all time. Despite opposition from some scientists, the idea that the dinosaurs were killed by an asteroid that slammed into Mexico's Yucatan peninsula has won general acceptance since it was first mooted in the early 1990s. Under that argument, academics say the giant reptiles mostly froze or starved to death when a huge cloud of particles kicked up by the meteorite blocked the world's sunlight for months. But Toon, the co-author of a study published in the Geological Society of America Bulletin in May, reckons the dinosaurs' end was even more dramatic. Creatures living near ground zero would have been vaporized immediately while those in the Caribbean area and southern United States would have drowned in 330-feet-high (100-metre) tsunamis when the asteroid impacted near today's Gulf of Mexico shoreline at a speed of 33,750 mph (54,000 kph). Then, a column of red-hot steam and dust soared thousands of miles (km) into space and most of it fell back toward Earth within a few hours, turning the heavens into hell. GIANT FIRE The entire sky would be radiating at you. It would be like standing next to a giant fire; you'd be burned very severely, Toon said, whose research is based on mathematical and computer models. Land dinosaurs all around the world perished from the intense heat of several hundred degrees Fahrenheit, said Toon. He agrees with other scientists that the dust cloud later cooled and blocked out the sun, but says the land dinosaurs were already history by that time. The darkness finished off many of the remaining marine reptiles and fish by killing plankton and disrupting the food chain, said Toon. But those views are being challenged by some researchers who say the Yucatan meteorite was not as great a catastrophe as first thought. A theory gaining ground is that global warming combined with another asteroid collision in an unknown location other than the Yucatan was what cut short the dinosaurs' reign. The academics are unlikely to agree soon on what caused the demise of the Triceratops, Sauropods and their kin but in the jungly Yucatan peninsula, locals are in no doubt. Everyone knows that the asteroid here killed the dinosaurs. They teach it in the schools, said Isabel Lopez, a shop owner in the village of Yaxcopoil. It's a shame what happened, said schoolboy Daniel Tzeu, 11, lamenting the dinosaurs' end. He was standing near a bore hole in the village dug by University of Arizona scientists probing for rock samples in a crater caused by the asteroid. The crater, around 100 miles (160 km) in radius is now buried 1/2 mile (1 km) underground, partly beneath the sea. The University of Arizona has found shocked rocks it says could only have been damaged by an asteroid collision. David Kring, one of the University of Arizona scientists who proved the Yucatan crater was the asteroid crash site, agrees the catastrophe killed off the land dinosaurs but doubts they all burned to death. Many starved when plants were destroyed by fires, a subsequent period of global darkness and acid rain. If you knock out the vegetation you really have undermined the food chain, he said. WRONG ASTEROID? But Princeton University geologist Gerta Keller disagrees that the asteroid put paid to the dinosaurs. She says asteroid debris, known as ejecta, found embedded in ancient rocks shows the Yucatan meteorite hit Earth many millennial before the dinosaurs vanished. The ejecta everywhere is in sediment layers that pre-date the mass extinction by about 300,000 years, she said. Global warming caused by 400,000 years of repeated volcanic eruptions in western India weakened the dinosaurs and then another asteroid struck earth, although scientists have yet to find its crater, Keller said. It's a double whammy at that point, she said. A combination of the two disasters deprived the Earth of oxygen and the
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[meteorite-list] Fw: Meteorite Sale 40% OFF Biggest Sale ever...
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[meteorite-list] Mars Global Surveyor Images - October 21-27, 2004
MARS GLOBAL SURVEYOR IMAGES October 21-27, 2004 The following new images taken by the Mars Orbiter Camera (MOC) on the Mars Global Surveyor spacecraft are now available: o Degraded Crater (Released 21 October 2004) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2004/10/21/index.html o Mid-latitude Dune Field (Released 22 October 2004) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2004/10/22/index.html o Arsinoes Chaos Landforms (Released 23 October 2004) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2004/10/23/index.html o Alba Patera Valleys (Released 24 October 2004) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2004/10/24/index.html o Sinus Sabaeus Scene (Released 25 October 2004) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2004/10/25/index.html o Autumn in Argyre (Released 26 October 2004) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2004/10/26/index.html o Arnus Vallis (Released 27 October 2004) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2004/10/27/index.html All of the Mars Global Surveyor images are archived here: http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/index.html Mars Global Surveyor was launched in November 1996 and has been in Mars orbit since September 1997. It began its primary mapping mission on March 8, 1999. Mars Global Surveyor is the first mission in a long-term program of Mars exploration known as the Mars Surveyor Program that is managed by JPL for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, DC. Malin Space Science Systems (MSSS) and the California Institute of Technology built the MOC using spare hardware from the Mars Observer mission. MSSS operates the camera from its facilities in San Diego, CA. The Jet Propulsion Laboratory's Mars Surveyor Operations Project operates the Mars Global Surveyor spacecraft with its industrial partner, Lockheed Martin Astronautics, from facilities in Pasadena, CA and Denver, CO. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
FW: Re: [meteorite-list] Largest single Pallasite?
From: Robert Warren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Largest single Pallasite? Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 14:40:43 + MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [66.205.162.11] X-Originating-Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from mc3-f34.hotmail.com ([64.4.50.170]) by mc3-s20.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Wed, 27 Oct 2004 07:42:56 -0700 Received: from six.pairlist.net ([209.68.2.254]) by mc3-f34.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Wed, 27 Oct 2004 07:42:13 -0700 Received: from six.pairlist.net (localhost [127.0.0.1])by six.pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTPid 03C5D8D3D3; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 10:41:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mu.pair.com (mu.pair.com [209.68.1.23])by six.pairlist.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2905D8C2DEfor [EMAIL PROTECTED];Wed, 27 Oct 2004 10:41:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 39118 invoked by uid 7111); 27 Oct 2004 14:41:10 - Received: (qmail 39114 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2004 14:41:09 - Received: from bay16-f35.bay16.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.186.85)by mu.pair.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2004 14:41:09 - Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC;Wed, 27 Oct 2004 07:41:06 -0700 Received: from 66.205.162.11 by by16fd.bay16.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP;Wed, 27 Oct 2004 14:40:43 GMT X-Message-Info: GQXpnklFM/deOXuyugSvCUXqHBUoZUf7+q1kK3elMAQ= X-Original-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: arthur-meteoritecentral:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Oct 2004 14:41:06.0290 (UTC)FILETIME=[FDA2AD20:01C4BC32] X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Meteorite Discussion Forum meteorite-list.meteoritecentral.com List-Unsubscribe: http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list,mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list,mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Geetings and salutations, I am in agreement with Al Mitterling, concerning the Port Orford Meteorite. If anyone would read carefully Plotkins book put out by the Smithsonian, check all of his references, and then look at the information he does not quote from, or refer to, they would get a completely different picture. Plotkin refers to a series of letters, or correspondence from two gentlemen, who were on a steamboat with Evans going up the Missouri river, towards a point that they intended to get off and proceed to the Bad Lands. Before they got on the boat, in the correspondence that Plotkin does not quote or refer to, they say how Evans loaned them money so that they could buy the supplies they needed for their trip. They were on a fixed budget, with no idea as to how much anything would cost, in the then frontier state of Missouri. They didn't know about the cost of mules, horses, food, camping gear, or even the fees for getting on board the steamboat. But Plotkin, leads us to believe that Evans could not manage money. That is a recurring theme throughout his work. But that theme is unfounded. He says that Evans concocted the hoax so as to pay off debts incurred sometime between 1856 and 1858. However, he does not mention how in 1858, there was a world wide economic panic, or what we would call today, a depression. He does not mention how one gentleman in California, at the same time, was asked by his superiors in St. Louis, as to what he thought should be done with the bank they owned, a branch that he was the manager of, in San Francisco? His response was to close it, which they did. They transferred him to New York City, where the same thing happened. That gentlemans name was William Tecumseh Sherman, of Sherman's march to the sea fame during the civil war. Plotkin makes it sound as if Evans was the only one in financial trouble. Yet if anyone reads through a history of Geology in the United States, he would find instance after instance, where almost everyone contracted by the U. S. Government for a period of over one hundred years, starting in the 1830's and going into the 1940's, has been short changed, by not being paid enough for their efforts, and in some cases they never recieved payment at all, even though they had a contract for doing the work and being paid for it. One such case is of a gentleman, who was contracted to survey the State of Michigan, in the 1830's. He hired a couple of men to help him. They were at work, when one of those men decided he knew more about what was going on, and he told both his boss, as well as the government. The goverment decided to listen to that man, and did not pay the man in charge. He quit in
Re: [meteorite-list] Day From Hell May Have Killed Off Dinosaurs
Hi, Not to nitpick at the Reuters man, but... The killer asteroid theory was proposed by Luis W. Alvarez (and his son Walter) in 1980. The gravity data which identifies Chicxulub was gathered beginning in 1948. Despite a lot of Googling, I can't establish the date when two was added to two to produce four, but it was in the early-mid-eighties, before Luis Alvarez's death in 1988. For a really nice link to a Chicxulub page (Alan Hildebrand's) with great pictures, try: http://miac.uqac.ca/MIAC/chicxulub.htm Sterling K. Webb -- Ron Baalke wrote: http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsPackageArticle.jhtml?type=topNewsstoryID=610337 ...Despite opposition from some scientists, the idea that the dinosaurs were killed by an asteroid that slammed into Mexico's Yucatan peninsula has won general acceptance since it was first mooted in the early 1990s... __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Largest single Pallasite?
Hi Robert and list members, Good to see that there are others out there who have seen through some of the discrepancies. I am glad you brought up the money issue as there are other items that were left out of the booklet. One item was a gold rush along the Oregon coast and John Evans ran into far greater expenses than predicted as supplies were being sold for many times their worth due to high demand. Back then you couldn't wire home every time you were faced with difficulties (you were out in the middle of nowhere) . I am sure they expected him (explorers) to act in the best interests of the states and I am sure this is what he did adding to a higher debt to do the exploring as he was expected to do. Evans was also married to a woman whose father was the designer of the Washington Monument. In other words they were probably well to do coming from influential families. After Evan's death, his wife made efforts to have his journals published but for what ever reasons (civil war) the moneys were never made available and much valuable information no doubt lost and perhaps that is the real tragedy. Some of the surveying that Evans did is still in use today and a basis of locations of Federal land and lands that were sold to settlers back then. So some things remain intact of his work. --AL __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Octahedrite formation and Mars
I was just reading Meteorites and the Origin of Planets, by John A. Wood. In it, I found a statement that octahedrites are formed by exceptionally slow cooling over millions of years, such as might be found in the insulated center of a planetoid. We already know that Mars has a very weak magnetic field and negligible vulcanism, leading some scientists to believe that its core has largely cooled. Might this mean that, if we were able to extract a chunk of Martian core, it would exhibit an octahedral pattern? Anyone care to speculate on the nickel content of the Martian core? Mars is one big Wiedmanstatten pattern! Tracy Latimer _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
