[meteorite-list] AD: Eugene Cornelius Meteorite Collection
Specimens from the Eugene Cornelius Meteorite Collection for sale: Norton County, Kansas Coldwater (stone) Kansas Holbrook, Arizona Wellman (c), Texas Odessa, Texas Canyon Diablo, Arizona Hello List, Eugene Cornelius was a contemporary of H.O. Stockwell back in the 1950's. As many of you know, Stockwell became famous when his home made metal detector found the (now not so) big 1,000 pound Brenham meteorite in 1949. (Note to Notkin, maybe next year we should give Stockwell a Harvey for that detector he invented?) Even back then, Stockwell was starting to get up in years and so he got help in digging holes. Cornelius was Stockwells digging man at Odessa and Canyon Diablo. Stockwell would hunt with his detector one weekend, and he would flag his targets so that Cornelius could come in the next week and dig them up. Cornelius also had a favorite hunting ground near Wellman, Texas where he was able to personally locate some specimens as well as be able to purchase some from the local land owners. This hunting and working with Stockwell allowed Cornelius to build a small collection of other specimens during that time. Below are the remaining specimens I am offering now. Photos and further description is available upon request. A signed C.O.A. from both Eugene Cornelius' son and myself will come with each specimen. Norton County Kansas Aubrite, achondrite Fell: February 18, 1948. 16:56 hrs 28.2g http://members.aol.com/meteorhntr/norton1.jpg H.O. Stockwell, a native of Hutchison, KS invented a homemade metal detector the 1940s that was very successful at recovering iron meteorites from locati ons such is Odessa, TX, Brenham, KS, Trenton, WI etc. His hunting at the Brenham strewnfield was done mostly from 1947 to 1949. In the middle of this time a huge bolide flew over several central states and over western Kansas. The main mass of this specimen crossed just over the state line and landed in Furnas County, NE. But there were more stones recovered from the strewnfield back in Norton County, KS. Harvey Nininger and Stockwell headed for the strewnfield. They quickly teamed up to do a massive amount of field work to attempt to locate the specimens. The fireball passed over at a few minutes before 5pm, and with the community a farming one, most everyone was outside at the time to witness what was at that time the largest stone meteorite ever to have been a witnessed fall, go over head. I have done field work in the Norton County strewnfield, and it is amazing, everyone, and I mean almost everyone over the age of 65 (now) vividly remembers what they were doing and what they saw that afternoon. One woman told me she was a young girl sitting in a ditch with a bunch of schoolmates beside their school bus as the driver was changing flat tire, when she said it sounded like a freight train coming over head. She witnessed the meteor exploding and breaking up into many peices. While it is reported that many stones were recovered, most all the attention had been on the 1 ton main mass that was found many months later in a field that Nininger predicted it likely should have been in. Nininger and Stockwell (and probably along with some other private investors) attempted to purchase it, but they were out bid at an auction beside the unexcavated impact pit by a consortium of Lincoln LaPaz from the University of New Mexico and the University of Nebraska (who both currently co-own the rock that is now on display at the Museum at UNM.) Most all of the Norton County that I have ever seen for sale on the market has come from trades with UNM. I have seen very little of this available on the market from the Nininger-Stockwell source. Cornelius acquired this from Stockwell, and it comes in the original shipping box with the remnants of Cornelius's address on the shipping sticker on the box. http://members.aol.com/meteorhntr/norton2.jpg The specimen is a fragment, with tiny hints of rust, indicating that it might have been on the ground for a little while before recovered. It is an amazing specimen in both beauty as well as historically, in it's provenance. A signed certificate of authenticity from both me and Eugene Cornelius's son comes with this specimen. In all this discussion, it should not be forgotten that Norton County is in a very rare class of Achondrite Aubrite consisting of only 8 other fall/finds (outside of Antartica). There have been NO Aubrites found in NWA or Oman. In a field where the word Rare gets overused, Aubrites really are Rare. Price $35/g x 28.2g = $987 *** Coldwater (stone) Comanche County, Kansas H5 Find 1924 TKW 11kg Part slice 48.2g Nininger's first strewnfield! Everyone in the meteorite field is grateful for that walk Harvey Nininger was taking when he personally witnessed a great fireball go over
Re: [meteorite-list] Water fun
Indeed...and you are right, totally right. I would never openly market such things but I have taken special orders out of the public eye. Do as I say, not as I do. I still believe that openly selling trinkets is going to get us shut down. Rob Wesel http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 - Original Message - From: stan . [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 1:53 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Water fun Had a customer who wanted to trim his Hum-V with Gibeon so he sent the specs and the waterjet took care of business. I didn't calculate losses as money wasn't an object but you can get the jet very narrow. Rob, i dont mean to be a prick, but didnt you just very recently post to the list saying that turning meteorites into bunnies and other trinkets was 'just asking for trouble' and was the sort of thing that would get institutions leading an effort to ban private collecting? __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Carnegie Scientists Fine-Tuning Methods for Stardust Analysis
Public release date: 22-Mar-2006 Contact: Larry R. Nittler [EMAIL PROTECTED] 202-478-8460 Carnegie Institution Carnegie scientists fine-tuning methods for Stardust analysis On Sunday, January 15, NASA's Stardust mission landed safely with the first solid comet fragments ever brought back to Earth. Members of the mission's Preliminary Examination Team, including several from the Carnegie Institution's Geophysical Laboratory and Department of Terrestrial Magnetism, are among the first to analyze these precious samples. The researchers are refining methods to zero in on organic molecules--the ingredients of life--contained in the grains captured from the coma of comet Wild-2. The team is already generating preliminary data. For the latest news on Stardust, as well as other studies on interstellar dust particles and meteorites, see a series of talks and posters at the NASA Astrobiology Science Conference (AbSciCon) 2006 at the Ronald Reagan Building in Washington, D.C. March 26-30. See http://abscicon2006.arc.nasa.gov/ for details. Scientists believe comets like Wild-2 are the oldest solid bodies in the solar system. Yet until now, no one has seen a piece of a comet up close. Researchers expect to retrieve less than one thousandth of an ounce of material from Stardust's collection grid, but this tiny puff of dust might yield scientific gold: by comparing the structure and chemistry of Stardust grains to interstellar dust and rare meteorites rich in organic material, researchers hope to fill in some significant holes in what we know about the evolution and history of our solar system. It is likely that some of the carbon in our bodies was originally bound up in comets and delivered to the early Earth through impacts, explained Marc Fries of Carnegie's Geophysical Laboratory, a member of the Preliminary Examination Team. So when we say that 'we are stardust' we are literally talking about the type of material that Stardust has returned to our laboratories for analysis. Carnegie's researchers are studying their first Stardust sample with a brand new, $2.8 million NanoSIMS ion probe. This instrument can reveal the chemical makeup of a sample by vaporizing tiny target areas with a stream of ions, allowing an accurate count of the atoms emitted; the NanoSIMS is an ideal tool for analyzing minuscule Stardust grains because it has greater sensitivity than previous ion probes. The team also plans to study the physical and chemical details of Stardust grains using two different spectroscopic techniques. First, by analyzing laser light reflected from a sample, Raman spectroscopy can reveal both the structure of minerals and the forms of carbon present. Second, a unique soft X-ray microscope at Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory's Advanced Light Source facility in California enables a technique called XANES spectroscopy, which can help characterize the carbon, nitrogen, and oxygen species in organic matter. Since the carbon-containing materials from Wild-2 are likely to be little changed since the birth of the solar system, these analyses are especially important. Carnegie researchers from the Geophysical Laboratory and the Department of Terrestrial Magnetism will discuss the analysis of interstellar matter, including early isotopic and spectroscopic results from Stardust, in several talks and posters at AbSciCon 2006. ### Talk and poster schedule subject to change. See http://abscicon2006.arc.nasa.gov/agenda.php for the latest information. 1Henner Busemann et al., Comparative Isotope and Micro-Raman Analyses of Meteoritic Organic Matter and Interplanetary Dust Particles Wednesday, March 29, 2006, 10:45am Reagan Center, Horizon AB conference room, Session 22: Extraterrestrial Prebiotic Chemistry II 2Hikaru Yabuta et al., Extracting Building Blocks of Insoluble Organic Matter in Meteorites by CuO-NaOH Degradation Technique: Search of Biomolecule Precursors Wednesday, March 29, 2006, 11:05am Reagan Center, Horizon AB conference room, Session 22: Extraterrestrial Prebiotic Chemistry II 3George Cody et al., Extraterrestrial Organics and the Chemical History They Reveal Poster displayed throughout the conference. Poster session Monday night, March 27, 2006, 6-8pm Reagan Center, Atrium Hall 4Larry Nittler et al., Microscale Isotopic Heterogeneity in Extraterrestrial Carbon Poster displayed throughout the conference. Poster session Monday night, March 27, 2006, 6-8pm Reagan Center, Atrium Hall 5Conel Alexander et al., Spectroscopic Studies of Meteoritic Organic Matter Poster displayed throughout the conference. Poster session Monday night, March 27, 2006, 6-8pm Reagan Center, Atrium Hall NASA provided funds in support of this work through the Stardust Participating Scientist Program. NASA's Sample Return Laboratory Instrument and Data Analysis Program (SRLIDAP) funded both the Raman instrument and a portion of the cost of the NanoSIMS ion probe. NASA also provided partial support for work at the Advanced
[meteorite-list] AD - ebay auctions: Calliham, Bells, Gujba, Quijingue, Seminole, ...
Hello All, I have a few auctions ending in about one day: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZpema9 - Calliham, 56 g w. Huss number - Bells, 0.05 g w. Monnig label - Gujba, 4.3 g nice thin slice - Quijingue, 10.36 g - Maralinga, 2.75 g w. SML label - NWA 725, 1.0 g (Tissemoumine), Acapulcoite (or primitive Winonaite?!) - Seminole, 4.1 g w. Huss number - Heredia, Costa Rica 1857, 0.25 g, ..and a few more: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZpema9 Thank you! Peter __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] ataxites needed
Dear List, My friend from the University of St.Petersburg, Russia is looking for the following irons: Dermbach Ni 42% Lime CreekNi 29% Santa Catharina Ni 29% San CristobalNi 25% Twin CityNi 30% Willow GroveNi 29% WedderburnNi 23% FredaNi 23% Yamato 791694Ni 36% Oktibbeha CountyNi 62% He needs a small amount of whatever possible for his scientific work. Please contact me off list if you have some. Thanks! Sergey - Sergey Vasiliev U Dalnice 839, Prague 5, 15500 Czech Republic -- http://www.sv-meteorites.com http://impactites.net __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mars Meteorite Similar to Bacteria-Etched Earth Rocks
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2006-03/osu-mms032306.php Public release date: 23-Mar-2006 Contact: Martin Fisk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 541-737-5208 Oregon State University Mars meteorite similar to bacteria-etched earth rocks A new study of a meteorite that originated from Mars has revealed a series of microscopic tunnels that are similar in size, shape and distribution to tracks left on Earth rocks by feeding bacteria. And though researchers were unable to extract DNA from the Martian rocks, the finding nonetheless adds intrigue to the search for life beyond Earth. Results of the study were published in the latest edition of the journal Astrobiology. Martin Fisk, a professor of marine geology in the College of Oceanic and Atmospheric Sciences at Oregon State University and lead author of the study, said the discovery of the tiny burrows do not confirm that there is life on Mars, nor does the lack of DNA from the meteorite discount the possibility. Virtually all of the tunnel marks on Earth rocks that we have examined were the result of bacterial invasion, Fisk said. In every instance, we've been able to extract DNA from these Earth rocks, but we have not yet been able to do that with the Martian samples. There are two possible explanations, he added. One is that there is an abiotic way to create those tunnels in rock on Earth, and we just haven't found it yet. The second possibility is that the tunnels on Martian rocks are indeed biological in nature, but the conditions are such on Mars that the DNA was not preserved. More than 30 meteorites that originated on Mars have been identified. These rocks from Mars have a unique chemical signature based on the gases trapped within. These rocks were blasted off the planet when Mars was struck by asteroids or comets and eventually these Martian meteorites crossed Earth's orbit and plummeted to the ground. One of these is Nakhla, which landed in Egypt in 1911, and provided the source material for Fisk's study. Scientists have dated the igneous rock fragment from Nakhla - which weighs about 20 pounds - at 1.3 billion years in age. They believe that the rock was exposed to water about 600 million years ago, based on the age of clay found inside the rocks. It is commonly believed that water is a necessary ingredient for life, Fisk said, so if bacteria laid down the tunnels in the rock when the rock was wet, they may have died 600 million years ago. That may explain why we can't find DNA - it is an organic compound that can break down. Other authors on the paper include Olivia Mason, an OSU graduate student; Radu Popa, of Portland State University; Michael Storrie-Lombardi, of the Kinohi Institute in Pasadena, Calif.; and Edward Vicenci, from the Smithsonian Institution. Fisk and his colleagues have spent much of the past 15 years studying microbes that can break down igneous rock and live in the obsidian-like volcanic glass. They first identified the bacteria through their signature tunnels then were able to extract DNA from the rock samples - which have been found in such diverse environments on Earth as below the ocean floor, in deserts and on dry mountaintops. They even found bacteria 4,000 feet below the surface in Hawaii that they reached by drilling through solid rock. In all of these Earth rock samples that contain tunnels, the biological activity began at a fracture in the rock or the edge of a mineral where the water was present. Igneous rocks are initially sterile because they erupt at temperatures exceeding 1,000 degrees C. - and life cannot establish itself until the rocks cool. Bacteria may be introduced into the rock via dust or water, Fisk pointed out. Several types of bacteria are capable of using the chemical energy of rocks as a food source, he said. One group of bacteria in particular is capable of getting all of its energy from chemicals alone, and one of the elements they use is iron - which typically comprises 5 to 10 percent of volcanic rock. Another group of OSU researchers, led by microbiologist Stephen Giovannoni, has collected rocks from the deep ocean and begun developing cultures to see if they can replicate the rock-eating bacteria. Similar environments usually produce similar strains of bacteria, Fisk said, with variable factors including temperature, pH levels, salt levels, and the presence of oxygen. The igneous rocks from Mars are similar to many of those found on Earth, and virtually identical to those found in a handful of environments, including a volcanic field found in Canada. One question the OSU researchers hope to answer is whether the bacteria begin devouring the rock as soon as they are introduced. Such a discovery would help them estimate when water - and possibly life - may have been introduced on Mars. ### By Mark Floyd, 541-737-0788 Source: Martin Fisk, 541-737-5208 Note to Editors: An image of the tiny tunnels is available on the News and Communication Services Web site at:
[meteorite-list] Loud Explosion in Canada
http://www.cknw.com/news/news_local.cfm?cat=7428218912rem=33775red=80121823aPBInywids=410gi=1gm=news_local.cfm Nah. It couldn't have been a meteorite. Could it? CKNW News Talk 980 (Canada) March 23, 2006 BURNABY/CKNW(AM980) - A loud explosion in Burnaby late last night has authorities scratching their heads. About 11:05 the blast rattled windows and awakened neighbours near the Chaffey Burke Elementary School on Abbey Avenue. Police responded with officers and a dog but came up empty handed. All they could find was a small hole in the ground. No damage has been reported and there were no injuries. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Tiny tunnels in Mars rock hint a t lifes traces (Nakhla)
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[meteorite-list] New Class of Comets May Be the Source of Earth's Water
http://www.ifa.hawaii.edu/%7Ehsieh/mbc-release.html Embargoed until Thursday, March 23, 2006, at 2:00 PM EST (9:00 AM HST) Contacts: Mr. Henry Hsieh Institute for Astronomy University of Hawaii 2680 Woodlawn Drive Honolulu, Hawaii 96822 1-808-778-6943 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dr. David Jewitt Institute for Astronomy University of Hawaii 2680 Woodlawn Drive Honolulu, Hawaii 96822 1-808-956-7682 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ms. Karen Rehbock Assistant to the Director Institute for Astronomy University of Hawaii 1-808-956-6829 [EMAIL PROTECTED] New Class of Comets May Be the Source of Earth's Water Three icy comets orbiting among the rocky asteroids in the main asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter may hold clues to the origin of Earth's oceans. The newly discovered group of comets, dubbed main-belt comets by University of Hawaii graduate student Henry Hsieh and Professor David Jewitt, has asteroid-like orbits and, unlike other comets, appears to have formed in the warm inner solar system inside the orbit of Jupiter rather than in the cold outer solar system beyond Neptune. The existence of these main-belt comets suggests that asteroids and comets are much more closely related than previously thought and supports the idea that icy objects from the main asteroid belt could be a major source of Earth's present-day water. This work appears in the March 23 edition of Science Express http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/1125150 (pdf http://www.ifa.hawaii.edu/~hsieh/HJ06.pdf) and will also appear in an April print edition of Science. The crucial observations were made on November 26, 2005, using the 8-meter Gemini North Telescope on Mauna Kea. Hsieh and Jewitt found that an object designated as Asteroid 118401 was ejecting dust like a comet. Together with a mysterious comet (designated 133P/Elst-Pizarro) known for almost a decade but still poorly understood, and another comet (designated P/2005 U1) discovered by the Spacewatch project in Arizona just a month earlier, Asteroid 118401 forms an entirely new class of comets. The main-belt comets are unique in that they have flat, circular, asteroid-like orbits, and not the elongated, often tilted orbits characteristic of all other comets, said Hsieh. At the same time, their cometary appearance makes them unlike all other previously observed asteroids. They do not fit neatly in either category. http://www.ifa.hawaii.edu/~hsieh/mbcs6a.gif http://www.ifa.hawaii.edu/~hsieh/mbcs6c.gif Orbits of the 3 known main-belt comets (red lines), the 5 innermost planets (black lines; from the center outward, Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, and Jupiter), a sample of 100 main-belt asteroids (orange lines), and 2 typical comets (Halley's Comet, and Tempel 1, target of the recent Deep Impact mission) as blue lines. Positions of the main-belt comets and planets on March 1, 2006, are plotted with black dots. [click each image to enlarge] Image courtesy of Pedro Lacerda (Univ. Hawaii; Univ. Coimbra, Portugal) In both 1996 and 2002, the original main-belt comet, 133P/Elst-Pizarro (named after its two discoverers), was seen to exhibit a long dust tail typical of icy comets, despite having the flat, circular orbit typical of presumably dry, rocky asteroids. As the only main-belt object ever observed to take on a cometary appearance, however, 133P/Elst-Pizarro's true nature remained controversial. Until now. The discovery of the other main-belt comets shows that 133P/Elst-Pizarro is not alone in the asteroid belt, Jewitt said. Therefore, it is probably an ordinary (although icy) asteroid, and not a comet from the outer solar system that has somehow had its comet-like orbit transformed into an asteroid-like one. This means that other asteroids could have ice as well. The Earth is believed to have formed hot and dry, meaning that its current water content must have been delivered after the planet cooled. Possible candidates for supplying this water are colliding comets and asteroids. Because of their large ice content, comets were leading candidates for many years, but recent analysis of comet water has shown that comet water is significantly different from typical ocean water on Earth. Asteroidal ice may give a better match to Earth's water, but until now, any ice that the asteroids may have once contained was thought to either be long gone or so deeply buried inside large asteroids as to be inaccessible for further analysis. The discovery of main-belt comets means that this ice is not gone and is still accessible (right on the surfaces of at least some objects in the main belt, and at times, even venting into space). Spacecraft missions to the main-belt comets could provide new, more detailed information on their ice content and in turn give us new insight into the origin of the water, and ultimately life, on Earth. As conventionally defined, comets and asteroids are very different. Both are objects a few to a few hundred miles across that orbit throughout our solar system. Comets,
[meteorite-list] Kabira Crater Story on NPR
Hi, National Public Radio ran a segment today on the discovery of the Kabira crater by Farouk El Baz, with an interview with him. It's 3 min 39 sec and doesn't contain too many errors. It refers to desert glass but not by its technical name (Libyan Desert Glass), and says it was discovered 70 years ago, which is silly, since it was described scientifically in 1850 and has been known since paleolithic times. You can listen to the segment at: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5297311 Click the Listen button. Sterling K. Webb __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - Ebay Auctions
Hello My auctions go to the end, if you want look here http://members.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPageuserid=mcomemeteorite Matteo M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] martin horeshi
anybody got his contact info? i will be gradually switching over to yahoo mail (it has 100 FREE megs of storage). please cc to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite living database
Hi list, I would like to propose the development online, with all your help and input, A living upadatedable database for our collections and items for sale. The database would of couse have to have live ONLINE on someones server that has 24/7 online access. I suggest that it be in a format that allows a personal copy for each meteorite collector to be run on their own machine. That the copy on each collectors machine maintain a valid database of their own collection,. It should allow for media files of specimens to be displayed., BMP, JPG, MPEG, whatever. And that their database, occassioanally, or at will, update the main database server. The intention of updating the database server is so that all other users databases are also updated with the latest information, which should include, New additions to personal collections, New additions to items for sale, New additions to the Met Bull, etc. I am somewhat fluent in Borland Delphi, but help is always appreciated. This may be above me in the world these days, I don't know, unless we try. I know that there are a lot of programmers out there, and lots of languages, maybe we can get something together? I think this would be a serious contribution towards the study, specimen location, and availability of specimens on the internet and indeed the world, once completed and operational. If the collector does not wish their items to be displayed to the world, the program should run in, PERSONAL MODE. (but that anyone running in personal mode be displayed to other users as such) I posess, a personal Borland Delphi license, which means that any software that I develop, must be totally free to users. (which has always been the case, see Ford Decoding, google) If I purchase a commercial license, I can sell it. About $ 1500 USD At the moment, everything is free. All your suggestions are welcome. A thought I had. :-) Cheers all, Kevin, VK3UKF. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
