[meteorite-list] FW: Lunar and Martian meteorites

2006-06-06 Thread Mike Fowler

anyone familiar with the Meteorite Market
(http://www.alaska.net/~meteor/mmhome.htm )? Are they reputable,
trustworthy, etc.? I'd like to acquire Lunar and Martian meteorites  
and

they have some for sale. Your thoughts? Are there other sources?

Anita Westlake


Hi Anita,

Eric Twelker and Meteorite Market is well known for fair pricing, and  
is very reputable.  I've bought many pieces from him, most recently a  
part slice of the Milton Pallasite!  No one else even has it!


Last year Eric had some large size pieces of Tagish Lake with crust  
on them.  They were pieces to die for.  Unfortunately, my funds were  
low at the time, and I let that one get away.


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Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Lunar and Martian meteorites

2006-06-06 Thread Eric Twelker
Title: Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Lunar and Martian meteorites



I think theyre pretty good. ;)
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[meteorite-list] Meteorite-Times Up soon.

2006-06-06 Thread Paul Harris

Dear List,

With the Memorial Day Holiday we have had some delay in receiving articles
but hope to have the magazine up soon.

Thank you,

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Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Lunar and Martian meteorites

2006-06-06 Thread tett



Anita,

Mr. Eric Twelker has been in the 
meteoritebusiness for many years. He is trustworthy and you will not 
go wrong in dealing with him.

Cheers,

Mike Tettenborn
Owen Sound, Ontario

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  thoughts? Are there other sources?
  
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[meteorite-list] It's a star, it's a planet, it's a 'planemo'

2006-06-06 Thread Sterling K. Webb

Hi,


It's a star, it's a planet, it's a 'planemo'
http://news.com.com/Its+a+star,+its+a+planet,+its+a+planemo/2100-11397_3-6080197.html

Too lightweight to be stars but bigger than most planets, a handful of hot, 
young, free-floating objects have the raw materials to make their own 
miniplanetary systems, astronomers reported on Monday.


Just like some young stars, these so-called planemos have discs of cosmic 
dust and gas circling them. These kinds of discs contain the ingredients for 
planets; astronomers believe Earth and the other planets in our solar system 
were forged from such a disc.


But planemos--short for planetary mass objects--are unlike normal planets 
because they do not orbit stars, said Ray Jayawardhana of the University of 
Toronto. He and other researchers presented their findings at a meeting of 
the American Astronomical Society in Calgary, Alberta.
These things are not orbiting a star. They're by themselves, Jayawardhana 
said in a telephone interview.


The researchers detected four newborn planemos, just a few million years 
old, in a star-forming region about 450 light-years from Earth, a relative 
stone's throw in cosmic terms. A light-year is about 6 trillion miles, the 
distance light travels in a year.


All four of these objects had dust discs around them, the astronomers 
reported.
Scientists also found a disc-skirted planemo interacting with a brown 
dwarf--a failed star--even closer to Earth, just 170 light-years away.


Such a planet-sized object might have been expected to be pulled into orbit 
around the brown dwarf, but instead the two revolve around each other, and 
both have the makings for more satellites.


These objects, with several times the mass of the giant planet Jupiter but 
100 times less massive than our sun, are cosmic infants only a few million 
years old.


Even Jupiter had a disc when it was young, and its dozens of moons were 
formed from the dust and gas it contained. However, Earth's rocky moon 
probably was born when our world collided with another heavenly body early 
on, and Mars' moons were asteroids captured by the planet's gravity.


But planemos are a relatively new player on the cosmic scene, filling the 
gap between the least massive stars and the most massive planets, 
Jayawardhana said.


These are the lowest-mass brown dwarfs or really big giant planets, 
especially when they're young, he said.


When young, planemos are still warmed by the heat of formation and are more 
like stars, he said. But as they age, these planet-esque objects shrink and 
cool.


Other researchers do not use the term planet to describe any satellites 
that might be formed around a planemo, referring to these as moons or 
moonlets.


If such bodies do form, they would be inhospitable to Earth-type life. If a 
satellite formed very close to a young planemo, it might be temporarily warm 
enough for liquid water to exist, and water is a requirement for earthly 
life.


But Jayawardhana acknowledged that in the long run, life would have dim 
prospects: Any kind of planet that forms around them is committed to an 
eternal freeze.


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Re: [meteorite-list] Kerala Red Rain Was From A Comet, Study Suggests

2006-06-06 Thread Sterling K. Webb

Hi,


   One of the debunkers of the bat theory as regards the
Red Rain in Kerala said that he calculated that 50 tons of
bat blood would be required to create the Red Rain, an
impossible amount, he said.

   That is 100,000 pounds or 1.6 million ounces, which
amounts to roughly 50 million cc's. If you assume a blood
loss in flight over a week or so as 10 cc's, that would
require 5,000,000 bats to be sick (or 1 cc from
50,000,000 bats if you prefer, or 5 cc from 10,000,000
bats...)

   The bat population of one large cave, Carlsbad Cavern,
in the American Southwest was estimated at 8,700,000 in
1936. (It is presently reduced to a million or so, due to
agricultural pesticides and environmental changes.)

   Kerala State is heavily (entirely) forested (jungle). 22.5%
of Kerala is nature preserves. It has many bat species, both
micro-chiropterae and mega-chiropterae, including Pteropus
giganteus with its four-foot wingspan. No shortage of bats
in Kerala, I'm thinking. How much blood in Pteropus
giganteus, which has a body the size of a small cat or
monkey or a big rat?

   From red rain to yellow: The older among us may recall the
Yellow Rain controversy at the end of the Vietnam War.
Hmung villages (allies of US) were subject to a yellow rain that
left a yellow residue behind. Sickness was reported. The U.S.,
after analyzing soil samples, accused the Soviets of supplying
the Vietnamese with chemical warfare agents in the form of
synthesized mycotoxins. Antiwar groups accused the U.S.
of spraying Sarin nerve gas on its former allies as an evil
experiment. Entomologists tried to point out that yellow
rain was just bee feces and pollen from vast migrated flocks
of bees and quite common in SE Asia. They were quickly
hooted down as trying to perpetuate a cover-up on behalf
of... well, somebody. It couldn't be bees. It HAD to be a
conspiracy! How simple-minded... See:
http://cns.miis.edu/pubs/week/020805.htm

   The yellow rains continue to fall throughout SE Asia,
of course. There was a big flap about colored rains
in Kerala at the time because in addition to the Red
Rain, there was Green Rain, Yellow Rain, Brown Rain,
and Black Rain those weeks. Here's the original news
story before the Red Rain was singled out as Alien Spores:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1465036.stm

   The following year, in mid-June 2002, a yellow-green
rain fell from the sky on the town of Sangrampur, near
Calcutta, India. Rumors spread that the rain might be
contaminated with toxins or chemical warfare agents.
Shortly after the attack, however, Deepak Chakraborty,
chief pollution scientist for the Indian state of West Bengal,
reported that the yellow-green droplets were in fact
bee feces containing pollen from local mangoes and
coconuts. He concluded that the colored rain may
have been caused by the migration of a giant swarm
of Asian honeybees, which are known to produce
golden showers.
http://cns.miis.edu/pubs/week/020805.htm#fn1
and reported in Fred Pearce, Green rain over India
evokes memories of cold war paranoia, New Scientist,
Vol. 174 (June 22, 2002), p. 13.

   Googling india red rain currently yields more than
11,000,000 hits, almost all of which are alien life oriented.
The silly notion has acquired a vigorous life of its own now
and I'm sure it will pop up over and over again in the decades
to come. But didn't they find alien spores in some weird rain
somewhere...? I think I read about it on the Internet.

   Martin asks, if they loose so much blood, wouldn't be
there lying a lot dead bats down and we would have read,
Toxic-Alien-Rain caused mass mortatility among bats...?

   Few would die in flight. Eventually blood loss would
make them so weak they couldn't fly and they would die
in their caves or secluded roosts, places which humans
(wisely) avoid entering, a private chiropteran tragedy.

   Martin concludes, Hmm, there isn't bad science,
only bad thing in this story was, that there was this
publications spread, before the case was sufficient
investigated.

   Publishing before you investigate is not bad science.
It's no science.


Sterling K. Webb
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Hi Sterling, Kevin,

well, I'm not insisting on that meconium-theory, I only thought, that it
would be a possibility very well worth to be checked, simply because such
red meconial rains were observed before and together with the rain, swarms
of insects were observed and the cells are looking similar,
so that this in my eyes, if I were a Louis, would try to exclude this
possibility as one of the firsts.

I by my own am even not totally convinced, that necessarily the red liquid
fell from sky.
Funny enough a few weeks ago we could 

Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Lunar and Martian meteorites

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Re: [meteorite-list] It's a star, it's a planet, it's a 'planemo'

2006-06-06 Thread Larry Lebofsky
Hi Sterling:

1. According to the IAU, there are no free floating planets. Their official 
name is sub-brown dwarf. This is probably to avoid people trying to name them 
or run into problems when you really do not know their mass acurately and so 
they may just be on the smallish end of brown dwarves. 

2. What is the difference between an object orbiting another and the two 
revolving around each other? Thanks to Newton, any two objects revolve around 
their center of mass. So, for example, the center of mass of the Jupiter/Sun 
system is 46,000 km OUTSIDE the surface of the Sun. So does Jupiter orbit the 
Sun or do they revolve around one another?

Larry


Quoting Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Hi,
 
 
 It's a star, it's a planet, it's a 'planemo'
 http://news.com.com/Its+a+star,+its+a+planet,+its+a+planemo/2100-11397_3-
6080197.html
 
 Too lightweight to be stars but bigger than most planets, a handful of hot, 
 young, free-floating objects have the raw materials to make their own 
 miniplanetary systems, astronomers reported on Monday.
 
 Just like some young stars, these so-called planemos have discs of cosmic 
 dust and gas circling them. These kinds of discs contain the ingredients for
 
 planets; astronomers believe Earth and the other planets in our solar system
 
 were forged from such a disc.
 
 But planemos--short for planetary mass objects--are unlike normal planets 
 because they do not orbit stars, said Ray Jayawardhana of the University of 
 Toronto. He and other researchers presented their findings at a meeting of 
 the American Astronomical Society in Calgary, Alberta.
 These things are not orbiting a star. They're by themselves, Jayawardhana 
 said in a telephone interview.
 
 The researchers detected four newborn planemos, just a few million years 
 old, in a star-forming region about 450 light-years from Earth, a relative 
 stone's throw in cosmic terms. A light-year is about 6 trillion miles, the 
 distance light travels in a year.
 
 All four of these objects had dust discs around them, the astronomers 
 reported.
 Scientists also found a disc-skirted planemo interacting with a brown 
 dwarf--a failed star--even closer to Earth, just 170 light-years away.
 
 Such a planet-sized object might have been expected to be pulled into orbit 
 around the brown dwarf, but instead the two revolve around each other, and 
 both have the makings for more satellites.
 
 These objects, with several times the mass of the giant planet Jupiter but 
 100 times less massive than our sun, are cosmic infants only a few million 
 years old.
 
 Even Jupiter had a disc when it was young, and its dozens of moons were 
 formed from the dust and gas it contained. However, Earth's rocky moon 
 probably was born when our world collided with another heavenly body early 
 on, and Mars' moons were asteroids captured by the planet's gravity.
 
 But planemos are a relatively new player on the cosmic scene, filling the 
 gap between the least massive stars and the most massive planets, 
 Jayawardhana said.
 
 These are the lowest-mass brown dwarfs or really big giant planets, 
 especially when they're young, he said.
 
 When young, planemos are still warmed by the heat of formation and are more 
 like stars, he said. But as they age, these planet-esque objects shrink and 
 cool.
 
 Other researchers do not use the term planet to describe any satellites 
 that might be formed around a planemo, referring to these as moons or 
 moonlets.
 
 If such bodies do form, they would be inhospitable to Earth-type life. If a 
 satellite formed very close to a young planemo, it might be temporarily warm
 
 enough for liquid water to exist, and water is a requirement for earthly 
 life.
 
 But Jayawardhana acknowledged that in the long run, life would have dim 
 prospects: Any kind of planet that forms around them is committed to an 
 eternal freeze.
 
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[meteorite-list] DNA Discovered, Algae Cultured From 'Red Rain'

2006-06-06 Thread Ron Baalke

http://www.newscientistspace.com/article/mg19025453.100-red-rain-puzzle-is-still-up-in-the-air.html

'Red Rain Puzzle is Still Up in the Air'
by Hazel Muir
New Scientist
March 31, 2006

When red rain fell over southern India in 2001 it was
sensationally suggested that the red particles in the rain could
be alien microbes. Now, after weeks of analysis at two labs in
the UK, microbiologists are still struggling to identify them.
It sounds like an episode of The X-Files, but a down-to-Earth
explanation is looking the more likely outcome.

Astronomer Chandra Wickramasinghe is studying the cells with
microbiologists at Cardiff University. As the days pass, I'm
getting more and more convinced that these are exceedingly
unusual biological cells, he says.

The red rain fell sporadically over Kerala during two months in
2001. Godfrey Louis, a physicist at Mahatma Gandhi University in
Kottayam in Kerala, examined the red particles and, unable to
find DNA, suggested that they might be alien microbes that had
fallen to Earth on a comet (New Scientist, 4 March, p 34).

If so, they would be the best evidence to date of panspermia,
the theory that primitive life forms fly around interplanetary
space on chunks of rock and ice. However, other scientists who
read Louis's report thought the red particles could be
terrestrial cells that had somehow blown up into the rain
clouds. Suggestions included fungal spores, red algae and
mammalian red blood cells.

At the end of February, Louis sent samples of the red rain to
Wickramasinghe, a champion of the panspermia theory. His team
has analysed the samples, as has a second team led by Milton
Wainwright, a microbiologist at the University of Sheffield.

Both teams say microscopy confirms that the particles are
biological cells. They are not red blood cells because they do
not contain haemoglobin. It's unlikely that they are fungal
spores or red algae. They don't contain chitin, a key component
of fungal cell walls. Nor do they contain the chloroplasts, the
organelles in which photosynthesis takes place, that are typical
of red algae.

But they do, after all, contain DNA. A simple DNA stain test in
Sheffield came back positive. However, more rigorous tests in
Cardiff that try to amplify specific DNA sequences have so far
failed. That doesn't mean there's no DNA, it means that the DNA
is probably unusual, Wickramasinghe suggests.

The red cells have unusually thick, sturdy walls, and some
contain daughter cells that Wainwright says are puzzling. He
stresses, though, that the cells could be ordinary, terrestrial
organisms he is not familiar with.

Something like the Trentepohlia alga, perhaps? That's the
conclusion of microbiologists at the Tropical Botanic Garden and
Research Institute in Kerala, who say they have cultured the
cells and grown Trentepohlia, an alga common in Kottayam, where
the first report of the red rain originated. Formal DNA
identification awaits.

Both UK teams will continue DNA tests and say they will not
release full details of their results until they have been peer
reviewed. Sadly for X-Files fans, a terrestrial origin is
looking more likely. How the cells fell as rain, that's the
mystery.
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[meteorite-list] FW: Lunar and Martian meteorites

2006-06-06 Thread Pelé Pierre-Marie
Eric Twelker is one of the best meteorite dealer I know.

I bought and still buy really nice meteorites from him. He's one of the most 
reliable.

Best regards,

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Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Lunar and Martian meteorites

2006-06-06 Thread Gerald Flaherty
Title: Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Lunar and Martian meteorites



Come on Eric, you KNOW they're good!

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  I think 
  they’re pretty good. ;)Eric Twelker
  Is anyone 
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Lunar and Martian meteorites and they have some for sale. Your 
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[meteorite-list] FW: Lunar and Martian meteorites

2006-06-06 Thread Metorman46
Hello Anita;
 
  I am very familiar with Eric Twelker and the Meteorite  Market.Extremely 
honest,fair and great people.You will not go wrong dealing with  them.I have 
for 
years and never a problem.And they always sell well prepared  specimens.They 
always answer inquiries too.
 
Best Regards;Herman.
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Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Lunar and Martian meteorites

2006-06-06 Thread Walter Branch



Hi Anita,

Absolutely no problems. One of the finest 
dealers. Just received a package last week. I have bought plenty of 
Lunar and Martian material from Eric and he is THE source for Tagish 
Lake.Been doing business with Eric for years and will continue to do 
so.

-Walter Branch


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  Subject: [meteorite-list] FW: Lunar and 
  Martian meteorites
  
  
  
  
  
  
  Is anyone familiar with the Meteorite Market (http://www.alaska.net/~meteor/mmhome.htm 
  )? Are they reputable, trustworthy, etc.? I’d like to acquire 
  Lunar and Martian meteorites and they have some for sale. Your 
  thoughts? Are there other sources?
  
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[meteorite-list] Re: Does a Giant Crater Lie Beneach the Antarctic Ice?

2006-06-06 Thread Paul
On June 4, 2006, Ron Baalke quoted

“http://www.nature.com/news/2006/060529/full/060529-11.html 

Does a giant crater lie beneath the Antarctic ice? 
Signs of an ancient impact could help to explain a mass 
extinction. by Mark Peplow, nature.com,June 2, 2006 

In part, the article stated:

“An impact of that size should also have melted and 
twisted nearby rock. Yet rocks in the Transantarctic 
Mountains of the same age show no evidence of the 
collision, says Jane Francis, a geologist also at the 
University of Leeds. That sequence has been worked 
on before, and no one has found evidence to support 
a massive impact like this, she says.”

This is an excellent point as there are complete stratigraphic
sections across the Permian-Triassic boundary exposed in
the Transantarctic Mountains and undisputed impact ejecta
and other evidence of a nearby impact of such a size is 
completely lacking. The reports of shocked quartz from
these outcrops have been retracted and the reports of helium-
filled fullerenes, meteorite fragments, and other impact-
related debris are highly disputed. A full description of the 
Permian-Triassic boundary and a discussion of the impact 
ejecta reported from it can be found in:

Collinson, J. W., Hammer, W. R., Askin, R. A., and Elliot,
D. E., 2006, Permian-Triassic boundary in the central 
Transantarctic Mountains, Antarctica. Geological Society
of America Bulletin. vol. 118, no. 5, pp. 747–763.
doi: 10.1130/B25739.1

http://www.gsajournals.org/gsaonline/?request=get-abstractdoi=10.1130%2FB25739.1

Yours, 

Paul

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2006-06-06 Thread Bob Evans

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Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Lunar and Martian meteorites

2006-06-06 Thread Impactika
In a message dated 6/6/2006 10:08:57 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,  
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I think they’re pretty good. ;)
Eric  Twelker
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What a shy person:-)
You are one of the very best, Eric!
 
Anne M. Black
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Is anyone  familiar with the Meteorite Market 
(http://www.alaska.net/~meteor/mmhome.htm  )?  Are they reputable, trustworthy, 
etc.?  I’d like to acquire 
Lunar  and Martian meteorites and they have some for sale.  Your thoughts?   
Are 
there other sources?

Anita  Westlake


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