Re: [meteorite-list] What is this?

[Sterling K. Webb]

Hi,

This is a strictly "two-cents-worth" opinion,
since I have a stone that is a twin to this one (at
least, photographically) except that it is only the
size of a very small ostrich egg: same shape, same
smooth finish, shiny black and dense, not native
to this limestone country I live in.

It is no mystery. The glaciers brought it here,
but then finished it off in the immense and violent
outflow that poured forth when the Wisconsin
glaciation melted rapidly. The prolate spheroid
shape is produced by the stone "spinning" around
its longest axis in the high-speed flow and grinding
against everything else in the flow. River cobbles
are just as smooth but irregular, even polygonal.

But if you spin it fast enough, as the Mississippi
must have flowed when it carved a 25-mile wide
channel with 200-foot cliffs on either side, this is
the shape you get. I found my little one in a gully
about ten miles down from where the face of the
glacier that sat on Illinois was. This gully wasn't
any Mississippi, but I bet it was cut through the
limestone in an hour or a day, like a Scablands
channel.

Or, maybe, it's a Thunderbird egg...


Sterling K. Webb

- Original Message - 
From: "E.P. Grondine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 11:53 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What is this?


> Hi Jim -
>
> The remains at Moundsville are covered in my book "Man
> and Impact in the Americas", and I have visited there
> several times, inclusing tracing the Grave Creek trade
> path. There was extensive Native American settlement
> in the entire area (map page 133 Man and Impact in the
> Americas).
>
> Most of the mounds were pretty well leveled by 1894,
> excepting the Main mound.  I have not visited the
> other mound which you mention still exists.
>
> I'm sure that maps from 1894 would show active
> European cemeteries. These could be compared against
> Schoolcraft's map.
>
> The area was also very heavily industrialized by 1894,
> so some industrial object can not be excluded.
>
> Perhaps a buisness directory or town directory or some
> such would allow identification of the individual in
> the initials. Check with the genealogical section of
> the library in Moundsville. (PS - They have a copy of
> my book, available for free loan.)
>
> As I mentioned before, I've never seen anything like
> it.  The WVA archaeologists someimes meet at the
> museum at the big mound, so you could stop by there
> and check when they will be meeting. Or you might try
> contacting them through the internet.
>
> What material is the object composed of?
>
> Ed
>
> --- Jim Strope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Hi Ed..
>>
>> I don't know how to take the name "grave digger".  I
>> am guessing that is a
>> polite way of saying that he dug into indian burrial
>> mounds in the area.
>> The initials, I am guessing, are  of the finder
>> since the 1894 corresponds
>> to the year that it was supposedly found.  There are
>> no river rocks like
>> that in this area.  However, it has been suggested
>> by another list member
>> that it could be transported glacial rock.  The
>> glaciers stopped their
>> advance along a line in Northern Ohio which is
>> probably about 100 miles
>> north of where this was found.Moundsville
>> WV.   There were several adena
>> burial mounds in this area.  Still are two.
>>
>> Jim Strope
>> 421 Fourth Street
>> Glen Dale, WV  26038
>>
>> http://www.catchafallingstar.com
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite novels -gifts II

[Sterling K. Webb]

 Hi, Doug,

   Hijacking your nice thread again...

   The tektites in Tikal didn't "find their way" there
by any other means than falling out of the sky. They
have been found in the temples, anciently collected,
and one much more degraded one has been found
in the forests surrounding.

   Alan Hildebrandt dated them and they fall right
into the upper end of the dating spread for Australite/
Indochinite tektites, which, surprise! they look just
exactly like. Grab your globe and give it a twirl.
Tikal's "antipodal point" is on the western edge of
the Australo-Asian strewn field. Likewise, an Ivorite
was recovered from off shore of the Australian coast.
equally antipodal to Ivory Coast, unless you think
"the currents" carried it there -:) laughing...

 Casa Grande was found in 1867: "A mass of 3407lb
was found in an ancient tomb, E.G. Tarayre (1867).
L. Fletcher (1890) implies that this mass was presented
to the Smithsonian Institution in 1876. First Description,
W. Tassin (1902). Analysis, 7.74 %Ni, G.P. Merrill (1913).
Historical note, O.E. Monnig (1939)..."

Somebody asked for referrences on meteorite collecting
by early American cultures (Maybe Ed). Here's one about
Hopewell meteorite collecting, except it goes on to discuss
dozens of other cultures, locales, and meteorites including Casa
Grandes. It's a nice piece of work by Olaf Prufer:
https://kb.osu.edu/dspace/bitstream/1811/4817/1/V61N06_341.pdf

No surprize, H. H. Nininger wrote "METEORITE COLLECTING
AMONG ANCIENT AMERICANS" in 1938. That paper can be
found at:
http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0002-7316(193807)4%3A1%3C39%3AMCAAA%3E2.0.CO%3B2-W
but it's where no mere mortal without official access can view it...
You can read the first page, though, which is enough to see that
it covers much the same ground as the paper previously cited
(up above this one) which you can get to see (and download).

Handing the thread back to you, Doug.


 Sterling K. Webb
> -
> - Original Message - 
> From: "MexicoDoug" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Martin Altmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: 
> Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 4:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite novels -gifts II
>
>
> Whe, Martin, thanks for the kind comments  -- I re-read my post,  your
> words and by all means did take one comment very much to heart.  I'm 
> guilty
> as charged for not giving further consideration to other meteoritically
> interested cultures between those Germanic and ancients.  I think Ed would
> be the better expert in that department on this side of the Atlantic. You
> speak of the Aztecs as a culture with as rich of a treatment of things
> meteoritic as the medieval traditions in your lands... I'd like to know 
> more
> about that.
>
> I'd be interested in knowing what meteorites the Aztecs venerated, feared,
> deified, or imbued with magical qualities.  Are you perhaps thinking of
> Xocotl the Aztec god of fire and Dark and occult side of planet Venus?  I
> think he was more likey born spewn from a volcano, of which there are many
> in his territory, or as legend goes, a ball of feathers fell in a temple 
> his
> virgin mother then bore him and others.  So Xocotl's mother may have been
> fertilized by a meteorite in a stretch of faith (the feathers could be
> thought of as cometary)...but these are much further musings than others
> I've made:-)
>
> Maybe your reference is meant to consider the over 1.5 ton Casas Grandes
> Iron meteorite mummy found in the ruins of the temple of a mysterious
> peoples of Mexico and carted out to Philadelphia, USA.  I say mysterious
> peoples as I don't think you can call them Aztecs with certainty, and they
> may actually be somewhat Navajo.  Unfortunately, the information on that
> culture is so scant, circumstantial and too inconclusive.  But the Casas
> Grandes meteorite had fallen tens of thousands of years before that region
> was populated.  Thus, at best, one can imagine that it was appreciated for
> its heft and unique nearly indestructable properties.
>
> The reason I'm not sure we can call that culture Aztec, is because the
> business end of the great Aztec empire was generally disconnected and
> geographically no where near the southern limits of that mysterious 
> culture,
> to make tribute payments to the empire.  In fact, it seems to just
> mysteroiusly vanished without battle before the Spanish first appeared
> anywhere on the scene.  There is contentious speculaion that that 
> particular
> culture was from northern New Mexico near Colorado, and Ed may be able to
> add more on that subject.  It seems to me they were their own independent
> culture eventually centered in Paquimé, Chihuahua, very close to El Paso
> TX - Juarez MX, where the meteorite was dug up.  Hopefully we can learn
> more, but anything new will be an uphill battle the way the evidence is so
> limited and thus dominated more by speculations.  I am 

Re: [meteorite-list] The ultimate meteorite tester

[Mr EMan]

--- mark ford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
talk about complete misconception after misconception!

 Now show me where you can buy a 700GBq Po-210 source
(without any'questions asked') and I will be worried,
until then...

PssstMark  c'mere

Opening rain coat to expose a shop's worth of trinkets

Rolex Replica Watches?  French Postcards? Transuranic
isotopes?

It was laughable but no real surprise that the press
was reporting this was  "a miniature "atomic bomb"
inside the body".  Talking empty heads are all that is
left in journalist ranks.  

Few folks realize that most of the heavy metal
radioactive elements are chemically poisonous in
addition to their radiation dangers.  Polonium is a
neutron source used to ensure a runaway fission event
aka atomic explosion, and like plutonium and thallium
they are chemically at the top of inorganic toxins.
Slippery stuff too.  When the package of polonium
arrived at the Trinity Site in July 45 the Dewar flask
had failed and was empty.  In the New Mexico heat the
polonium had liquefied.  After a brief search it was
found puddled in the bottom of the shipping crate.

Actually about 10-15 years back you COULD purchase
most everything except plutonium isotopes across the
counter. In the 80's some folks did indirectly
purchase plutonium in scrap reactor steel.  It was
recycled by Border Steel in El Paso,TX into chair and
table legs and sold throughout the US. Interesting
story on how it was discovered.

Now shall we talk about radioactive meteorites?  I do
recommend a Geiger scan for unusual "falls" on the out
chance that it is space debris from a Topaz Plutonium
powered thermocouple power unit that the "Soviets"
launched and failed to keep track of.

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Re: [meteorite-list] What is this?

[E.P. Grondine]

Hi Jim - 

The remains at Moundsville are covered in my book "Man
and Impact in the Americas", and I have visited there
several times, inclusing tracing the Grave Creek trade
path. There was extensive Native American settlement
in the entire area (map page 133 Man and Impact in the
Americas).  

Most of the mounds were pretty well leveled by 1894,
excepting the Main mound.  I have not visited the
other mound which you mention still exists.

I'm sure that maps from 1894 would show active
European cemeteries. These could be compared against
Schoolcraft's map.

The area was also very heavily industrialized by 1894,
so some industrial object can not be excluded.

Perhaps a buisness directory or town directory or some
such would allow identification of the individual in
the initials. Check with the genealogical section of
the library in Moundsville. (PS - They have a copy of
my book, available for free loan.)

As I mentioned before, I've never seen anything like
it.  The WVA archaeologists someimes meet at the
museum at the big mound, so you could stop by there
and check when they will be meeting. Or you might try
contacting them through the internet.

What material is the object composed of?

Ed

--- Jim Strope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi Ed..
> 
> I don't know how to take the name "grave digger".  I
> am guessing that is a 
> polite way of saying that he dug into indian burrial
> mounds in the area. 
> The initials, I am guessing, are  of the finder
> since the 1894 corresponds 
> to the year that it was supposedly found.  There are
> no river rocks like 
> that in this area.  However, it has been suggested
> by another list member 
> that it could be transported glacial rock.  The
> glaciers stopped their 
> advance along a line in Northern Ohio which is
> probably about 100 miles 
> north of where this was found.Moundsville
> WV.   There were several adena
> burial mounds in this area.  Still are two.
> 
> Jim Strope
> 421 Fourth Street
> Glen Dale, WV  26038
> 
> http://www.catchafallingstar.com
> 
> 



 

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Re: [meteorite-list] A probable new Bencubbinite?

[Mr EMan]

That is my assessment!

Some guys have all the luck.

Please let us know the results.
Elton 


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> Hello
> 
> a my friend have give to me this item for analyzed.
> He
> have buy in a mineral shop years ago. In the label
> its
> write arrive from Antartica. The surface its many
> strange, here you seen the face before the cut
> 
> http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/318/1zu0.jpg
> 
> and here the behind
> 
> http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/158/2ce7.jpg
> 
> here the same face after the cut
> 
> http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/5795/3uf9.jpg
> 
> and here a particular
> 
> http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/5795/4vd9.jpg
> 
> the nichel text give a 100% confirm the piece have
> nichel, but if after the analysis the resoult is not
> meteorite, sinceraly I do not what is it
> 
> Matteo
> 
> 
> M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato
> Via Triestina 126/A - 30173 - TESSERA, VENEZIA,
> ITALY
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it 
> Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info
> MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite novels -gifts II

[MexicoDoug]

Whe, Martin, thanks for the kind comments  -- I re-read my post,  your 
words and by all means did take one comment very much to heart.  I'm guilty 
as charged for not giving further consideration to other meteoritically 
interested cultures between those Germanic and ancients.  I think Ed would 
be the better expert in that department on this side of the Atlantic. You 
speak of the Aztecs as a culture with as rich of a treatment of things 
meteoritic as the medieval traditions in your lands... I'd like to know more 
about that.

I'd be interested in knowing what meteorites the Aztecs venerated, feared, 
deified, or imbued with magical qualities.  Are you perhaps thinking of 
Xocotl the Aztec god of fire and Dark and occult side of planet Venus?  I 
think he was more likey born spewn from a volcano, of which there are many 
in his territory, or as legend goes, a ball of feathers fell in a temple his 
virgin mother then bore him and others.  So Xocotl's mother may have been 
fertilized by a meteorite in a stretch of faith (the feathers could be 
thought of as cometary)...but these are much further musings than others 
I've made:-)

Maybe your reference is meant to consider the over 1.5 ton Casas Grandes 
Iron meteorite mummy found in the ruins of the temple of a mysterious 
peoples of Mexico and carted out to Philadelphia, USA.  I say mysterious 
peoples as I don't think you can call them Aztecs with certainty, and they 
may actually be somewhat Navajo.  Unfortunately, the information on that 
culture is so scant, circumstantial and too inconclusive.  But the Casas 
Grandes meteorite had fallen tens of thousands of years before that region 
was populated.  Thus, at best, one can imagine that it was appreciated for 
its heft and unique nearly indestructable properties.

The reason I'm not sure we can call that culture Aztec, is because the 
business end of the great Aztec empire was generally disconnected and 
geographically no where near the southern limits of that mysterious culture, 
to make tribute payments to the empire.  In fact, it seems to just 
mysteroiusly vanished without battle before the Spanish first appeared 
anywhere on the scene.  There is contentious speculaion that that particular 
culture was from northern New Mexico near Colorado, and Ed may be able to 
add more on that subject.  It seems to me they were their own independent 
culture eventually centered in Paquimé, Chihuahua, very close to El Paso 
TX - Juarez MX, where the meteorite was dug up.  Hopefully we can learn 
more, but anything new will be an uphill battle the way the evidence is so 
limited and thus dominated more by speculations.  I am not aware of too much 
shared divinity evidence though a minimal amount is no doubt common.

The the next meteoritic thing in my neck of the desert, sitting above the 
northern tip of Mesoamerica, I can mention are the few tektites found way 
down in the ancient Mayan city of Tikal - but that would be in Guatemala 
already.  These unique chards which are mysteries themselves as no more 
paired have been found after extensive scientific field work and study, and 
they are generally Chicxulub era mintage.

What surprises me, is not the great deal of evidence of meteorites in the 
Aztec and Mayan cities, but rather the lack of it.  I really would have 
thought more references, stonework or carvings could have been passed along. 
We're talking about a culture with debatably sophistiated astronomers and 
celestial timekeepers rivaling the Europeans and Arabs during periods in 
their history.  I'd be very interested to be reminded if I have missed any 
mythology here even with the destruction here that has ensued there has been 
a great deal of stoneworks preserved and I am unaware of meteorites and 
comets showing on any of them despite the observatories and sophistication.

Martin, I appreciate your kind humility regarding the historical record of 
Germanic accomplishments.  I wasn't referring to your Grimms' tale, but 
rather the Grimms' "Star Money" which I posted the other day.  On the other 
hand the accomplishments of Chinese, Arab, and Japanese, among others 
certainly survived in some shapes and forms and deserve a more important 
mention than I foolishly brushed by at 4:00 AM.  I think though you've 
assumed a bit too much about my thoughts of rites and legend and today's 
Germany as a nation.  My use of German- and Germanic was intended to cover 
everyone from King Arthur to the Vikings, I hope Gauls (not sure are they 
Germanic?), as well as the Barvarians...Am I wrong with this?  The qualities 
of these peoples and their attraction to these metals for weapons, Excalibur 
itself I mentioned, the sword legend would have pulled from a stone...etc... 
Perhaps the Romans with the push for de-paganization most effectively 
stiffled throughout the empire idolization of metals and weapons and that is 
the simple reason - I don't know.

But, since you mention the enlightenment to Chladni's 

[meteorite-list] Test...Please Delete.

[Jerry A. Wallace]

Test...Please Delete.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Dig Turns Up Little At Mysterious Newport Tower *except for a meteorite)

[Mr EMan]

--- Charlie Devine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Here are the 2 photos I posted last week, should
anyone care to comment based on photos alone:


Yeah I'll bite. The photos don't exclude this from
being a meteorite and the empty depressions might be
missing condrules. This doesn't look like an iron.

Yet again a little knowledge is dangerous. 

"We don't know what it is so it must be a meteorite",
implying we on the dig are all knowing except for what
we don't know otherwise.

"We don't know what kind of meteorite it is so  u 
 a IT is A NICKEL IRON..." (I read that somewhere
in Popular Science). I guess we should give a little
more slack to those who's knowledge is limited to
Hollywood. 

Today I saw a common concretion on EBay from Australia
that was identified as a meteorite by the local
Archeology Department. I understand that--When I find
a shard of Indian pottery I always consult a home
economics professor for identification.

This is a "nickel-iron" meteorite???-- Don't think so,
if you adhere to the definitions of the meteoritical
community.

Thanks for checking this out Charlie but a point of
caution. The Academic types don't like (ahem..)
Amateurs telling them anything that could threaten
their proclamations. When you got to the part of about
cutting and donating the 20% part I am sure they tuned
you out.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Ruben and Son find 425 meteorite specimens in one day!!

[Pat Brown]

Hi Ruben, 

This is awsome! Quite a score! 12+ pounds!

Pat Brown 

A Nevada meteorite hunter living in Spokane Valley, WA

--- Ruben Garcia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi all,
> Some time ago a couple of expert Meteorite hunting
> friends had told me about a particular area in
> California where they had been finding meteorites.
> When I expressed interest in finding a California
> Meteorite they unselfishly offered coordinates. 
> 
> Last Saturday 11/18/06 my Son and I attempted to go
> there. About 5 miles from the coordinates they gave
> I
> made a discovery of my own. It seemed to be a micro
> strewn field, together my son and I picked up 405
> fragments and 20 or so whole individuals totaling
> 425
> for the day! I'm not sure but I think we came home
> with between 12 and 18 lbs! (I gave a lot away)
>  
> My Son and I initially thought that our finds would
> pair with our two friends. But when we compared
> them,
> there were many differences in color, magnetic pull
> and of course location. Today we're just not sure.
> 
> Be sure to watch next week when I post pictures of
> what happened this weekend as I took my friends back
> to try and find more.
> 
> The full story will be in published in Meteorite Mag
> Feb 2007.
>  
> Take a look at a few of the pictures.
>
http://new.photos.yahoo.com/mr.meteorite/album/576460762353387524#page1
> 
> Ruben Garcia
> Phoenix, Arizona
> http://www.mr-meteorite.com
> 
> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite novels -gifts II

[MexicoDoug]

Bucklebo Martin, thanks for the kind comments  -- I re-read my post,
your words and by all means did take one comment very much to heart.
I'm guilty for not giving further consideration to other meteoritically
interested cultures between those Germanic and ancients.  I think Ed
would be the better expert in that department on this side of the
Atlantic. You speak of the Aztecs as a culture with as rich of a
treatment of things meteoritic as the medieval traditions in your lands...
I'd like to know more about that!

I'd be interested in knowing what meteorites the Aztecs venerated, feared,
deified, or imbued with magical qualities.  Are you perhaps thinking of
Xocotl the Aztec god of fire and Dark and occult side of planet Venus?  I
think he was more likey born spewn from a volcano, of which there are many
in his territory, or as legend goes, a ball of feathers fell in a temple his
virgin mother then bore him and others.  So Xocotl's mother may have been
fertilized by a meteorite in a stretch of faith (the feathers could be
thought of as cometary)...but these are much further musings than others
I've made:-)

Maybe your reference is meant to consider the over 1.5 ton Casas Grandes
mummified Iron meteorite found in the ruins of the temple of a mysterious
peoples of Mexico and carted out to Philadelphia, USA.  I say mysterious
peoples as I don't think you can call them Aztecs with certainty, and they
may actually be somewhat Navajo.  Unfortunately, the information on that
culture is so scant, circumstantial and too inconclusive.  But the Casas
Grandes meteorite had fallen tens of thousands of years before that region
was populated.  Thus, at best, one can imagine that it was appreciated for
its heft and unique nearly indestructable properties.

The reason I'm not sure we can call that culture Aztec, is because the
business end of the great Aztec empire was generally disconnected and
geographically no where near the southern limits of that mysterious culture,
to make tribute payments to the empire.  In fact, it seems to just
mysteroiusly vanished without battle before the Spanish first appeared
anywhere on the scene.  There is contentious speculaion that that particular
culture was from northern New Mexico near Colorado, and Ed may be able to
add more on that subject.  It seems to me they were their own independent
culture eventually centered in Paquime, Chihuahua, very close to El Paso
Texas, where the meteorite was dug up.  Hopefully we can learn
more, but anything new will be an uphill battle the way the evidence is so
limited and thus dominated more by speculations.  I am not aware of too much
shared divinities as evidence of closeness between frescos of Aztecs and 
this
culture though a minimal amount is no doubt in-common.

The the next meteoritic thing in my neck of the desert, sitting above the
northern tip of Mesoamerica, I can mention are the few tektites found way
down in the ancient Mayan city of Tikal - but that would be in Guatemala
already.  These unique chards which are mysteries themselves as no more
paired have been found after extensive scientific field work and study, and
they are generally Chicxulub era mintage.

What surprises me, is not the great deal of evidence of meteorites in the
Aztec and Mayan cities, but rather the lack of it.  I really would have
thought more references, stone monuments and mozaics, carvings could
have been passed along.  We're talking about a culture with debatably
as sophistiated astronomers and celestial timekeepers rivaling the
Europeans and Arabs during periods in their history.  I'd be very
interested to be reminded if I have missed any mythology here even
with the destruction here that has ensued there has been a great deal
of stoneworks preserved and I am unaware of meteorites and comets
showing on any of them despite the observatories and sophistication.

Martin, I appreciate your kind humility regarding the historical record of
Germanic accomplishments.  I wasn't referring to your Grimms' tale, but
rather the Grimms' "Star Money" which I posted the other day.  On the other
hand the accomplishments of Chinese, Arab, and Japanese, among others
certainly survived in some shapes and forms and deserve a more important
mention than I foolishly brushed by at 4:00 AM.  I think though you've
assumed a bit too much about my thoughts of rites and legend and today's
Germany as a nation.  My use of German- and Germanic was intended to cover
everyone from King Arthur to the Vikings, I hope Gauls (not sure are they
Germanic?), as well as the Barvarians...Am I wrong with this?  The qualities
of these peoples and their attraction to these metals for weapons, Excalibur
itself I mentioned, the sword legend would have pulled from a stone...etc...
Perhaps the Romans with the push for de-paganization most effectively
stiffled throughout the empire idolization of metals and weapons and that is
the simple reason - I don't know - that sounds like an Ed question..

But, since you

Re: [meteorite-list] Ruben and Son find 425 meteorite specimens in oneday!!

[Art]

Congratulations Ruben;

I can only imagine your (and your son's!) excitement when you happened
upon that area!  That's the stuff that dreams are made of (especially
for us desert meteorite hunters)!

Best, Art

On 11/27/06, Ruben Garcia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Thanks Matthias,
> We had a blast!
> Thanks,
> Ruben
>
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[meteorite-list] FW: Another Batch of Great Auctions Ending Soon....

[michael cottingham]

From: michael cottingham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 7:28 PM
To: 'michael cottingham'
Subject: AD: Another Batch of Great Auctions Ending Soon

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Re: [meteorite-list] website GONE

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Matteo-
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someone that should be trying to build some respect on
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Re: [meteorite-list] Ruben and Son find 425 meteorite specimens in oneday!!

[Ruben Garcia]

Thanks Matthias,
We had a blast!
Thanks,
Ruben

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Re: [meteorite-list] Ruben and Son find 425 meteorite specimens in oneday!!

[Matthias Bärmann]

Hello Ruben, list,

worldfamous American painter Mark Tobey once created an etching entitled
'After harvest': That's the last of your fotos. Great sequence and report,
thank you for sharing with us, and: congratulation!

Particularly nice picture: your son with the meteorites, the young one
inclining towards the old wanderers, now arrived.

Best, Matthias Baermann


- Original Message - 
From: "Ruben Garcia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: ; "moni"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 11:37 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ruben and Son find 425 meteorite specimens in
oneday!!


> Hi all,
> Some time ago a couple of expert Meteorite hunting
> friends had told me about a particular area in
> California where they had been finding meteorites.
> When I expressed interest in finding a California
> Meteorite they unselfishly offered coordinates.
>
> Last Saturday 11/18/06 my Son and I attempted to go
> there. About 5 miles from the coordinates they gave I
> made a discovery of my own. It seemed to be a micro
> strewn field, together my son and I picked up 405
> fragments and 20 or so whole individuals totaling 425
> for the day! I'm not sure but I think we came home
> with between 12 and 18 lbs! (I gave a lot away)
>
> My Son and I initially thought that our finds would
> pair with our two friends. But when we compared them,
> there were many differences in color, magnetic pull
> and of course location. Today we're just not sure.
>
> Be sure to watch next week when I post pictures of
> what happened this weekend as I took my friends back
> to try and find more.
>
> The full story will be in published in Meteorite Mag
> Feb 2007.
>
> Take a look at a few of the pictures.
> http://new.photos.yahoo.com/mr.meteorite/album/576460762353387524#page1
>
> Ruben Garcia
> Phoenix, Arizona
> http://www.mr-meteorite.com
>
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Green LASER Pointers

[Darren Garrison]

On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 17:23:24 -0500, you wrote:

>Greetings, all,
>
>Does anyone on the List have a link or info for reasonably priced 5-10 mW 
>green laser pointers?

Forget green-- go for a Blu-Ray laser.  Only $1999!

http://www.wickedlasers.com/sonar.php
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Re: [meteorite-list] Green LASER Pointers

[Pete Pete]

Gracias, Doug,

This will give me the confidence for a Chinese Ebay purchase with one of 
their more scrupulous dealers.

Cheers,
Pete


From: "MexicoDoug" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Pete Pete" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CC: 
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Green LASER Pointers
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 17:32:11 -0500

Hi Pete,

The ones from China are the same ones that are imported here at the low 
price end through middlemen who will need their $ cut.  They are less 
expensive and all you have to do is wait two weeks, but I don' know anyone 
who's had a problem and many of us have ordered.  If you do buy one here, 
expect to pay $7 to $10 more if you are lucky on the least expensive ones, 
and in a month you will forget you ever had to wait with your pointer in 
hand.

Best wishes, Doug


- Original Message - From: "Pete Pete" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 5:23 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Green LASER Pointers


>Greetings, all,
>
>Does anyone on the List have a link or info for reasonably priced 5-10 mW
>green laser pointers?
>
>I see ads for them in the various astronomy magazines, but I'm hoping
>there's a connection for cheaper ones.
>I'm reluctant to buy one on Ebay that will be shipped from China.
>
>Cheers,
>Pete
>
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[meteorite-list] Ruben and Son find 425 meteorite specimens in one day!!

[Ruben Garcia]

Hi all,
Some time ago a couple of expert Meteorite hunting
friends had told me about a particular area in
California where they had been finding meteorites.
When I expressed interest in finding a California
Meteorite they unselfishly offered coordinates. 

Last Saturday 11/18/06 my Son and I attempted to go
there. About 5 miles from the coordinates they gave I
made a discovery of my own. It seemed to be a micro
strewn field, together my son and I picked up 405
fragments and 20 or so whole individuals totaling 425
for the day! I'm not sure but I think we came home
with between 12 and 18 lbs! (I gave a lot away)
 
My Son and I initially thought that our finds would
pair with our two friends. But when we compared them,
there were many differences in color, magnetic pull
and of course location. Today we're just not sure.

Be sure to watch next week when I post pictures of
what happened this weekend as I took my friends back
to try and find more.

The full story will be in published in Meteorite Mag
Feb 2007.
 
Take a look at a few of the pictures.
http://new.photos.yahoo.com/mr.meteorite/album/576460762353387524#page1

Ruben Garcia
Phoenix, Arizona
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Re: [meteorite-list] Green LASER Pointers

[MexicoDoug]

Hi Pete,

The ones from China are the same ones that are imported here at the low 
price end through middlemen who will need their $ cut.  They are less 
expensive and all you have to do is wait two weeks, but I don' know anyone 
who's had a problem and many of us have ordered.  If you do buy one here, 
expect to pay $7 to $10 more if you are lucky on the least expensive ones, 
and in a month you will forget you ever had to wait with your pointer in 
hand.

Best wishes, Doug


- Original Message - 
From: "Pete Pete" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 5:23 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Green LASER Pointers


> Greetings, all,
>
> Does anyone on the List have a link or info for reasonably priced 5-10 mW
> green laser pointers?
>
> I see ads for them in the various astronomy magazines, but I'm hoping
> there's a connection for cheaper ones.
> I'm reluctant to buy one on Ebay that will be shipped from China.
>
> Cheers,
> Pete
>
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[meteorite-list] Green LASER Pointers

[Pete Pete]

Greetings, all,

Does anyone on the List have a link or info for reasonably priced 5-10 mW 
green laser pointers?

I see ads for them in the various astronomy magazines, but I'm hoping 
there's a connection for cheaper ones.
I'm reluctant to buy one on Ebay that will be shipped from China.

Cheers,
Pete

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[meteorite-list] Hit-and-Run as Planets Formed

[Ron Baalke]

http://www.psrd.hawaii.edu/Nov06/hit-and-run.html  

Hit-and-Run as Planets Formed
Planetary Science Research Discoveries
November 27, 2006

--- Collisions between large protoplanets as the planets formed may have
ripped some of them to shreds, producing molten asteroid-sized bodies,
driving off water and other volatiles, and scrambling partially molten
protoplanets.

Written by G. Jeffrey Taylor 
Hawai'i Institute of Geophysics and Planetology

Planet formation involved collisions between Moon-sized or larger
protoplanets to make even bigger ones. However, planet growth is not the
only result of the collisions. Erik Asphaug, Craig Agnor, and Quentin
Williams (University of California, Santa Cruz) point out that many
protoplanet interactions were what they call "hit-and-run" collisions,
causing substantial effects on the bodies, particularly on the smaller
one. The effects might have included widespread melting, disruption, and
formation of an assortment of metal-rich objects that might be found
among asteroids and meteorites. Their ideas give cosmochemists a whole
new way of looking at asteroid formation and planetary differentiation.

Reference:

* Asphaug, E., C. B. Agnor, and Q. Williams (2006) Hit-and-run
  planetary collisions. Nature, v. 439, p. 155-160.



Giant Impacts as Planets Formed

Planet formation was rough, messy, and complicated. Dust grains did not
settle gently onto slowly-growing rocky bodies. Instead, bodies a few
hundred kilometers across grew fast and then accreted into larger
objects that ranged in size from 1000 km across to the size of Mars.
These protoplanets smashed into each other over a period of about 50
million years to form the terrestrial planets and one such collision, a
slightly off-centered one, resulted in formation of Earth's Moon.
Computer simulations of the process of planet formation generally assume
that most of the collisions result in accretion. That is, the smaller
protoplanet becomes part of the larger one, and the now larger object
has taken another step towards planethood.

[painting of two body collision]
The current view of formation of the terrestrial planets involves
collisions between growing protoplanets. In this painting by James Garry
an object larger than the Moon is hit by a smaller one, resulting in
growth of the larger protoplanet.

Erik Asphaug and his colleagues point out that not all protoplanetary
encounters result in accretion. In many cases the smaller object barely
hits the bigger one, but ends up greatly affected by the close
encounter. It may even be ripped apart. Part of the reason for this
destruction is that the gravity field of the larger protoplanet extends
well beyond the surface of the object. There is a zone of interaction
from the center out to about 2.5 times the radius of the target that is
strong enough to exert tidal forces on solid or molten objects, even if
the smaller protoplanet does not make physical contact with the larger
one. The outer limit of this zone is called the Roche limit, named after 
Edouard Albert Roche, a French mathematician. (The Roche limit is the 
smallest distance at which a planetary object that has no internal 
strength can orbit another body without being torn apart by the larger 
body's gravitational force.)

The UC Santa Cruz researchers used computer models of planetary
interactions to examine what happens during close encounters that do not
lead to accretion. In the calculations, both the impactor and the larger
target protoplanet are differentiated into metallic core and silicate
(rocky) mantle, with the core making up 30 weight percent of the volume.



Sudden Pressure Decrease

Large protoplanets would have been compressed because gravity pulls
everything towards the center of the body. There is considerable energy
tied up in this compression. For a Mars-sized protoplanet, Asphaug and
coworkers calculate that decompression of the planet's mantle releases
about the same amount of energy per gram as does TNT. This energy is
available for heating the entire body, including considerable melting of
the rocky mantle. This happens because the melting temperature of rock
increases with increasing pressure. If the pressure drops without
cooling, melting ensues. The hit-or-miss team calculates that the
pressure inside the smaller protoplanet could decrease 30 to 50% for
about an hour during a non-impact close approach (see graph below),
resulting in a permanent decrease of 20% because of mass loss and
increase in the protoplanet's rate of rotation. The pressure drop could
cause widespread melting or, if the body is already partly molten,
widespread increase in the percentage of the interior that is molten.

[graph of pressures vs. time]
This graph depicts how a non-impacting close approach of a Moon-sized
protoplanet with a body the size of Mars wou

[meteorite-list] Need Metal Detector Please

[justin weippert]

Does Anyone want to sell there metal detector to a meteorite hunter. I could go 
to a store but I would like to save some money. Nothing To Expensive. Maybe in 
the 200-300$ range. I would appreciate it. Thanks justin!
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Classification of new iron meteorites

[D. Hill]

Greetings Sven & Meteorite List!

I am sorry to hear that the presitgious German facilities are no longer 
available.  However, I am happy to report that we can do neutron 
activation analysis and ICP-MS here at the UA Southwest Meteorite Center 
of the Lunar & Planetary Laboratory.  Please contact us before sending 
any specimens.


Thank you,
Dolores Hill
Lunar & Planetary Lab/SWMC
University of Arizona


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Dear List,

we have been told that J.T. Wasson at UCLA currently is the only scientist who 
takes in new irons for analysis and classification. Regarding Germany it seems 
that our country has no longer any capacity for instrumental neutron activation 
analysis of iron meteorites. What about other European countries or the 
Vernadsky institute for example?

We are interested to learn if there are any adept followers stepping into the footsteps of the Grandmaster of irons. 


Thanks for your efforts in advance

Svend

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[meteorite-list] List Member Derek Yoost in the News

[Notkin]

Dear Listees:

Greetings from Tucson.

Meteorite List member, and my long-time friend from New Jersey, Derek  
Yoost is featured in a news article about meteorites and meteorite  
collecting:

http://www.dailyrecord.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061127/ 
COMMUNITIES/611270323/1203/NEWS01

Derek is an accomplished paleontologist and discovered an entirely new  
species of mosquito in fossil amber, some years ago. Derek and I have  
spent many happy days in the field together and he is also an expert  
preparator of fossils and meteorites. Some of the high-end meteorites  
you've seen featured in auctions in New York and California were  
prepared by Derek. Good to see him getting some well-deserved  
recognition.

Nice going Derek!


Sincerely,

Geoff N.
www.aerolite.org

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[meteorite-list] AD - NWA 869 and Unclassified Ending

[Greg Hupe]

Dear List Members,

I have a number of NWA 869 Individuals and 1-kilo lots ending today and 
Wednesday, the largest is 18 kilos! There are also 1-kilo Unclassified lots 
and Individuals that I reduced the price on. All these can be seen under my 
eBay seller name, NaturesVault. All have the "Buy it Now" feature so you do 
not have to sit and bid, just click away and they are yours.

Best regards and Thanks for the bids,
Greg


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[meteorite-list] Fireball Shoots Across Australian Sky

[Ron Baalke]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/items/200611/1798687.htm?southeastsa

'Fireball' shoots across SA sky
Australian Broadcasting Corporation
November 27, 2006

There have been reports of at least one large fireball 
in the sky over south-eastern South Australia.

The Bureau of Meteorology (BOM) says the fireball was 
most likely a meteor.

It shot across the sky soon after 8:00pm ACDT and was 
followed by what sounded like a large explosion.

BOM and police say they have received dozens of phone 
calls from residents in Adelaide and as far away as 
the Victorian border.

One Riverland resident, Dennis Schiller, was 
travelling in his car when he saw it.

"We were looking to the south and this massive 
fireball came out of the sky and it seemed to 
increase as it come down," he said.

"We were absolutely amazed with what we saw ... and 
we were there discussing it and it would have been 
a good two minutes later that we heard a massive 
explosion."

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http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,20832210-1702,00.html

Sunset 'comet' reported across state
news.com.au (Australia)
November 27, 2006 

RESIDENTS in central and western Victoria have reported seeing a bright
light, possibly a comet, streaking across the sky just before sunset.

Callers to ABC Radio reported seeing the bright green coloured object
shooting westward in the sky from Bendigo to Horsham in the state's
northwest down to Colac in the southwest.

One caller, Jeff, said he saw what he thought was a comet about 8.30pm
(AEDT) as he was driving into Horsham.

"It was green like a meteorite or shooting star," he told ABC Radio.

"It was really pretty bright and you could see something else coming
down as well, but what it was I don't know.

"It more or less came across the west as you were coming into Horsham
from the Melbourne side."

Monty from Kaniva, near the South Australia border, said the object was
bright and appeared to debris trailing behind it.

"It was before sunset and normally you only see those things in the
dark," Monty said.

"The trail hung in the sky for at least 15 minutes afterward like a jet
stream.

Allen at Colac said he was sitting at a service station when he noticed
what he thought was a comet.

"I was sitting at the Shell servo at Colac and I was looking to the
north and you could see the green light with the tail thing behind it."

Brian, who owns a farm at Laanecoorie (Laanecoorie) west of Bendigo said
he and his wife were outside when they saw the comet-like object streak
across the sky.

"We looked up and there was a green comet like thing dropping out of the
western sky," Brian said.

"It dropped over the trees at the back of our property and it was making
a tail as it went down."

Victoria Police said they had received calls from residents across the
state's west, but were unsure what the object was.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite novels -gifts II

[E.P. Grondine]

Hi Doug, list - 

If you're trying to get a grasp on different peoples
attitudes towards meteorites, you have to go back and
examine the impact events which affected them.

For the Germanic peoples, the Kali impact appears to
have been a major influence.

For the areas further west, formerly part of the Roman
Empire, pretty much all impact lore was first
suppresed with the establishment of the Empire, when
the Etruscan   religious institutions associated with
the Republic were suppressed.  Later, the Church
pretty much enforced Platonic doctrine, in which
meteorites were suppressed, as they would show a less
than perfect creation.

The French lead in modern meteoritics may probably
best be viewed as a reflection of their attempts to
lessen the power of the Church in their lives.

As far as colonial American (English) attitudes went,
you need to consider Newton as "platonic" to some
degree.  Meteorites don't fit into Newton's
"clockwork" universe, and thus we have Jefferson's
famous statement. 

Where this affected me was in the lack of colonial
reporting on Native American attitudes.  So far, and
please don't ask me for the dead citation on this, as
it would take several hours to find, Mooney (1890's)
reported on the Cherokee trade in meteorites, and that
the Cherokee generally valued them like money for
trade.  The list knows of the excavated meteorites,
and I can tell you that they generally have religious
use by the peoples. 

In closing, I would also like to thank Piper Holier
for his trade of the Canyon Diablo for the copy of
"Man and Impact in the Americas", (now available
through amazon.com).  It would be nice if it were
possible to make North American irons available, but
the need for religious items to be acquired by trade
makes this difficult.  Let me close this note by
stating that your North American iron meteorites will
fetch extremely good value in handcrafted art if
traded at powwow, particularly if they are prepared
for fire starting or as mirrored surfaces. 

good hunting,
Ed


--- MexicoDoug <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi Sterling,
> 
> 1-The fact that the French army wanted to enrage the
> Bohemians by tossing 
> the Elbogen iron meteorite in the well is
> indisputable.  This meteorite is 
> Grade A Prime cultural heritage for Bohemia where
> many ethnic Germans lived 
> and was ethnically a contested territory in my
> understanding.  The French 
> actions were part of the hostilities kicked off by
> the War of Jenkins' Ear 
> which morphed into that of Austrian Succession
> there.  The exciting point 
> being that Germans/Bohemians had a cultural
> appreciation of meteorites which 
> truly raptures my imagination with pride, cultural
> curiousity and a transfer 
> of a certain degree of magic in my mind's eye, due
> to my own fascination 
> with steel from space.
> 
> 2- My mention of the then Governer of Georgia, Gen.
> Oglethorpe's bellicose 
> expedition of Georgians and Carolinians was to bring
> to your attention this 
> large American campaign in the War of Jenkins' Ear,
> intended to correct your 
> statement that Americans never had the odd pleasure
> of partaking in that 
> euphonious war (Soundly put!).
> 
> Nothing much I can do about wars despite my heart's
> desires, other than hope 
> I would not be called to participate in them.  I
> really have absolutely no 
> opinions or desire to think about human
> intraspecies' inhumanity.
> 
> I'll tender a request for a favor that my kindly
> hijacked thread be returned 
> to romantic, fantasy and other fictional books on
> meteorites.  I have to 
> admit to believing that anything goes in a
> discussion group, but was unhappy 
> that a thread on romantic and adventure novels with
> meteorites in their 
> plots turned into a discussion of how Europe had
> more and longer wars than 
> the USA. :-( !
> 
> .  ... to imagine the relationship between
> Caledfwlch, Gram, Hrunting, 
> Naegling, the Magical Giant Sword that slew
> Grendel's mother, so difficult 
> to hoist or lift up is a recurring theme, and
> meteorites, which held a 
> special fascination in Germanic cultures and
> craftmanships is very amazing, 
> though.  The stone Ensisheim, which fell in German
> territory at the time was 
> recognized by the German Emperor in 1492 to have
> come from the sky, and 
> ordered conserved thanks to him.  It is interesting
> that the "civilized 
> world" didn't really "accept" that rock fell from
> space until L'Aigle 
> pummeled the last holdouts in France more than 300
> years later, like a 
> thunder fromThor's hammer.  With the greatest
> respect to France, who seem to 
> have been ahead of the Americans (one can easily
> imagine that the Americans 
> followed the French lead), I believe the
> Franco-Germanic relationship 
> strongly colored the French acceptance of
> meteoritical phenomena and gets to 
> the heart of meteorite status in the milieu.  I.e.,
> I bet in the 1740's part 
> of the reason the Elbogen meteorite got s

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Re: [meteorite-list] ACID FOR ETCHING: QUESTION

[mark ford]

Hi Charles,

 

The strength of the ferric Chloride solution is quite important, it
needs to be a reasonably concentrated solution, (too slow and it doesn't
give such good results, because the reaction slows after a few minutes,
presumably because the surface becomes less 'clean' and doesn't react as
quickly, so you need to etch it within a minute or so.).

 

 Personally, I have directly compared Nitric Acid etching to Ferric
Chloride etching, and found Ferric to be noticeably superior (This is
consistent with (I think) 'O' Richard Norton's article in Meteorite
magazine some years back, he also discussed tint etching, which uses
various chemicals to bring out features by coloring them.

 

No too falls are the same however and I have not tried it on anything
other that Gibeon, Campo, Sikhote, Brahin (and a couple of others). I
expect the differing Nickel contents will produce varying results with
both methods, experimentation is the best policy! ...

 

Best

Mark

 

 

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Charles Viau
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While Ferric Chloride is safer, it is much slower... and it seems (to me
anyway) that the etched definition is much lower

 

I have found a good source for small quantities of nitric acid to be
jewelers, especially those that plate gold.

They mix hydrochloric with nitric to make aqua regia, an acid powerful
enough to dissolve gold. Very dangerous stuff and certainly not an acid
that you would ever use on a meteorite, unless you want to see it
disappear... however many will sell you a small amount of nitric if you
ask. Again, they use the pure stuff so be real careful... take it home
wrapped in lots of paper in a box.  Dilute it!  Typical is a 5% Nitric
solution using 100% denatured ethyl alcohol  (not the isopropyl type in
water) or 1 part pure nitric in 19 parts alcohol. 

Standard chem. 101 safety statement : Add acid into alcohol!, not
alcohol into acid! , wear goggles, use latex gloves and do it in the
garage, not the house...

 

CharlyV

 

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ford
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Try Ferric Chloride much better and safer.  - Available from electronics
stores

 

 

 

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Subject: [meteorite-list] ACID FOR ETCHING: QUESTION

 

Hi to all list members!

 It has been a long time since I have needed a new bottle of nitric
acid.  So long that the last time I bought a bottle, it was at a drug
store.  Really!  Short of going 25 miles to a collage chem store, where
would be the best place to get a bottle of acid?  No one around my town
has any!  Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks,  Jim Balister


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[meteorite-list] A probable new Bencubbinite?

[M come Meteorite Meteorites]

Hello

a my friend have give to me this item for analyzed. He
have buy in a mineral shop years ago. In the label its
write arrive from Antartica. The surface its many
strange, here you seen the face before the cut

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/318/1zu0.jpg

and here the behind

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/158/2ce7.jpg

here the same face after the cut

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/5795/3uf9.jpg

and here a particular

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/5795/4vd9.jpg

the nichel text give a 100% confirm the piece have
nichel, but if after the analysis the resoult is not
meteorite, sinceraly I do not what is it

Matteo


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Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info
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Re: [meteorite-list] Is this Libyan Desert Glass?

[M come Meteorite Meteorites]

for me is LSDG but the photo have a horrible light...

Matteo

--- Norbert Classen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha scritto:

> Peter wrote:
> 
> > the LDG of this seller looks a bit strange. Is it
> real or fake?
> > 
> > What do the experts think?
> >
> >
> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZcommon_murreQQhtZ-1
> 
> I'm certainly no expert for LDG, but this looks much
> like hyalithe to me,
> i.e. opal, and not like LDG. The last piece on his
> list is surely no LDG,
> either. Adding to that, this is a new seller from
> the land of fakes (China)
> with minimal feedback - so buyers beware!
> 
> Best,
> Norbert
> 
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Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info
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[meteorite-list] Warning fake emails from Meteorite Classified

[M come Meteorite Meteorites]

hello

I have received the IIth fake email from the site
meteorite times/classified, this a example

A visitor has a question about an ad you placed at
Meteorites for Sale - Meteorite Classifieds,
http://www.meteorite-times.com/classifieds/ . The ad
in question is titled Holbrook from ACU Collection.

You may reply back directly to this email to contact
the viewer.

The question was:

Hello,
Am interested in purchased your item without no delay
of purchased the item , i will mind purchasing the
item with the final prices of the item and get back to
me if the item price is firm. So i want you to know
that the item will be purchased at a final price and
before i proceeding to purchase the item , i will like
to ask you little question about the item .


[1.] Do you accept a ( Cashier Check / Money Order )
as a mode of payment?

[ 2. ] What is the final asking prize you can go at
last? 

[3] Will you let our shipping company to come to you
house for the pick up of the item cos we don't want
you to worry yourself about the shipping of the item .


[4 ] You are to send your NAME,ADDRESS,TEL # to mail
out the payment today.

[ 5. ] Will you be able to send the excess fund back
to the shipping company via western union money
transfer same day you recieve and cash the check for
the arrangement of the home pick up from your house
down to my client.shippment. i'll like this
transaction to be kept in utmost trust
Thanks

NB: if you have sold the item you can get back to me
with another item which i will purchase it with out
any further delay.


first, the item its been sold, second the 2 emails
have the same text, only the item different, 3th if
you answer not arrive any answer from who have sent
email. Strange is I not have put any email address
visible in the site...warning

Matteo


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Re: [meteorite-list] website GONE

[M come Meteorite Meteorites]

Deo Gratias...for who not know latin its Thanks God...

Matteo

--- steve arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha
scritto:

> To all who purchased from my last meteorite sale,a
> huge thanks.The website is GONE,like I said it
> would.All purchases and trades are all going out
> today,so again thanks.Also a HUGE apology to all on
> this list for the misgivings of all this posts to
> advertise my sales.There is nothing left to sell.The
> rest of anything else is on ebay.And just a side
> note,I wish anyone who likes to do PUBLIC  attacks
> on
> this list please keep it private.NO ONE LIKES PUBLIC
> ATTACKS.For some reason some people think that
> everything here needs to be aired.NO MORE!!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!!
>   Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999!!
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Dig Turns Up Little At Mysterious Newport Tower *except for a meteorite)

[Charlie Devine]

I spent 2 days at the dig, but was unable to view the "meteorite", as by
then it was in "safe keeping" in the Mayor's office and the mayor was
not to be found.  Whether it turns out meteorite or meteorwrong, it
belongs to the city of Newport.  I did make sure that Ron and Jan
Barsted, the organizers of the dig, understood the steps necessary to
get it classified and officially recognized if it is the real thing.  As
a result, they will be taking it for identification to Arizona State
University, where Jan Barsted is a faculty member. Here are 2 photos I
posted a week ago, if anyone cares to comment based on photos alone:

http://www.chronognostic.org/photo_tour.php?date=20061018&id=26

http://www.chronognostic.org/photo_tour.php?date=20061018&id=27

C.Devine

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http://www.turnto10.com/news/10392157/detail.html

NEWPORT, R.I. -- An archaeological dig at a mysterious Newport Tower turns up --
not much.

Archeologists spent a month digging at a structure called the Old Stone Mill.
The tower's origins are uncertain -- leading amateur historians to speculate it
was built by Nordic Vikings, Irish monks or even stranded Chinese sailors.

Archaeologists said the excavation yielded buttons, pottery and glass fragments
-- but none dated later than the late 1600s.

However, the team believes it found part of a small meteorite that fell more
than 2,000 years ago.

Many in Newport believe the tower has more local origins. They said it was built
under the direction of colonial Governor Benedict Arnold, the great-grandfather
of the Revolutionary War traitor.

Joyce Clements, an archaeologist involved in the dig, said colonial Rhode Island
had craftsmen skilled enough to build it.

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Re: [meteorite-list] United Nuclear (meteorites, magnets, elements, etc.)

[Matson, Robert]

Hi Darren,

> Interesting note-- I just saw this web site featured on CBS news
> tonight.  Included a brief interview with the site operator.  It
> was on because other than magnets, the site sells radioactive
> materials, including [polonium] 210 (and lists a few meteorites,
> but all show as "sold")

> http://www.unitednuclear.com/magnets.htm

This has been one of my favorite sites for years, as there are
metals/chemicals that you can buy here that you can't find
anywhere else.  Anyone trying to build an element collection
will be able to do quite a bit of one-stop-shopping at United
Nuclear (e.g. metallic uranium, thorium, polonium, beryllium,
potassium and sodium being among the more difficult).

--Rob
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Re: [meteorite-list] Hector Servadec

[VisualThinker7]

I read this book with the title translated as 'Off on a Comet'. 
As I understood the story at the time, the comet passed so close to Earth  
that people, animals and even a ship were sucked up by it's gravity. At the 
end, 
 they returned to Earth when the comet returned, and they all piled into a  
homemade balloon which was captured by Earth's gravity. 
I seem to remember the Jewish character being simpy referred to as 'the  
jew', though he did have a name. Pretty repulsive, by modern  standards. For 
example: 
 
"Oh, your Excellency, my lord, I did not know that it "was you," whined the  
Jew, but without emerging any farther from his cabin. 
and
"After considerable hesitation, but still keeping his hold upon the  
cabin-door, the Jew made up his mind to step outside. "What do you want?" he  
inquired, timorously."
and
"Imagining that at least half his property was to be confiscated, the Jew  
began to break out into his usual formula about being a poor man and having  
nothing to spare; but Servadac, without heeding his complainings, went on: "We  
are not going to ruin you, you know." 
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Re: [meteorite-list] What is this?

[Thaddeus Besedin]

If this is associated with a burial, I would imagine that it may represent an 
oomorphic effigy - a ceremonial object. It is much too large to be used as a 
handstone. Does it have any concave surface features? Was it found polished? 
Perhaps you can send the photo to a local archaeologist.
  -Thaddeus

Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  grind stone for black walnuts?
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To: "Meteorite Central" 
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 8:57 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] What is this?


> Anybody have any ideas?
>
> Obviously not a meteorite but here is the story.
>
> "I have a friend who has what he thinks is a metorite which was 
> disccovered
> near an adena indian burial mound by a grave digger in 1894 and given to a
> doctor for a medical bill. This possible metorite weighs about 75 lbs. and
> is black in color like the one you have for same but it is more 
> symmetrical
> and water melon shaped."
>
> Here is the photo:
>
> http://www.catchafallingstar.com/000.jpg
>
>
> Jim Strope
> 421 Fourth Street
> Glen Dale, WV 26038
>
> http://www.catchafallingstar.com
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[meteorite-list] Comet attacks Australia!

[Darren Garrison]

http://www.thewest.com.au/aapstory.aspx?StoryName=336477

Residents report comet sighting
27th November 2006, 18:54 WST

Residents in central and western Victoria have reported seeing a bright light,
possibly a comet, streaking across the sky just before sunset.

Callers to ABC Radio reported seeing the bright green coloured object shooting
westward in the sky from Bendigo to Horsham in the state's north-west down to
Colac in the south-west.

One caller, Jeff, said he saw what he thought was a comet about 8.30pm (AEDT) as
he was driving into Horsham.

"It was green like a meteorite or shooting star," he told ABC Radio.

"It was really pretty bright and you could see something else coming down as
well, but what it was I don't know.

"It more or less came across the west as you were coming into Horsham from the
Melbourne side."

Monty from Kaniva, near the South Australia border, said the object was bright
and appeared to debris trailing behind it.

"It was before sunset and normally you only see those things in the dark," Monty
said.

"The trail hung in the sky for at least 15 minutes afterward like a jet stream.

Allen at Colac said he was sitting at a service station when he noticed what he
thought was a comet.

"I was sitting at the Shell servo at Colac and I was looking to the north and
you could see the green light with the tail thing behind it."

Brian, who owns a farm at Laanecoorie west of Bendigo, said he and his wife were
outside when they saw the comet-like object streak across the sky.

"We looked up and there was a green comet like thing dropping out of the western
sky," Brian said.

"It dropped over the trees at the back of our property and it was making a tail
as it went down."

Victoria Police said they had received calls from residents across the state's
west, but were unsure what the object was.
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[meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - November 27, 2006

[SPACEROCKSINC]

http://www.spacerocksinc.com/November_27.html  

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Re: [meteorite-list] Dig Turns Up Little At MysteriousNewport Tower *except for a meteorite)

[mark ford]

Hi Charlie.

Good work there, well done for taking the time to go see the site. 

Hopefully common sense will prevail, and it will be looked at by a lab.
Seems at the moment they just have a brown rock and nothing more. As for
them visually seeing 'evidence of melting', after 3000 years in damp
soil??? I would think this must be a mistake?

Do you know if they do any kind of tests than a visual, like a streak
test, magnet test etc etc?

We had a similar thing here in England UK, in the 1970's with the
Danebury meteorite, it was found buried in a Neolithic pit at Danebury
hillfort, it was supposedly classified by Oxford University as a
weathered chondrite, but no photos or write-ups can be found and the
original mass is missing, so not sure if it was a 'mistake' or not -
(The whole event Just has striking similarities to what you have been
looking at...)

Best
Mark Ford
BIMS


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Tower *except for a meteorite)

I spent 2 days at the Newport Tower dig, but was unable to examine the
"meteorite", as by then it was in the mayor's office for "safe keeping",
and the mayor was nowhere to be found.  Whether it be meteorite or
meteorwrong, it belongs to the city of Newport.
I did explain to Jan and Ron Barsted, the directors of the dig, the
steps necessary to get it classified and officially recognized, should
it be the real thing.  As a result it will be taken to Arizona State
University for identification.  Jan Barsted is a faculty member at ASU.
Here are the 2 photos I posted last week, should anyone care to comment
based on photos alone:
http://www.chronognostic.org/photo_tour.php?date=20061018&id=26

http"//www.chronognostic.org/photo_tour.php?date=20061018&id=27

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[meteorite-list] (AD) ebay auctions

[steve arnold]

Good morning list.1 post only on this.I have 6 ebay
auctions ending today and tomorrow.I have a 81 gram
sikote-alin/w/a hole in the middle,I also have a 14
gram NWA 4431 (COSMIC ONION 2),a 1948 arizona highways
magazine,with a 4 page article with nininger and
pics,an 88 gram completely crusted unclassified
stone,a 18 gram slice of nwa 2826,and a 16 gram
individual of GAO.They are all with buy it nows.Thanks
for looking.You can look under the ebay id,ILLINOISMETEORITES.

Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!!
  Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999!!



 

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Re: [meteorite-list] Dig Turns Up Little At Mysterious Newport Tower *except for a meteorite)

[Charlie Devine]

I spent 2 days at the Newport Tower dig, but was unable to examine the
"meteorite", as by then it was in the mayor's office for "safe keeping",
and the mayor was nowhere to be found.  Whether it be meteorite or
meteorwrong, it belongs to the city of Newport.
I did explain to Jan and Ron Barsted, the directors of the dig, the
steps necessary to get it classified and officially recognized, should
it be the real thing.  As a result it will be taken to Arizona State
University for identification.  Jan Barsted is a faculty member at ASU.
Here are the 2 photos I posted last week, should anyone care to comment
based on photos alone:
http://www.chronognostic.org/photo_tour.php?date=20061018&id=26

http"//www.chronognostic.org/photo_tour.php?date=20061018&id=27

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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite novels -gifts II

[Martin Altmann]

Oops Doug,

Thou shalt not over-interpret.
I can't find any increased interest in nor any cultural reception of
meteorites in German history, transcending those in other countries.
Meteorites were vulgar superstition, in best case they were kept in cabinets
as curiosities (and later after Enlightment thrown to trash).
In the Grimm collection of folk tales, the Elbogen chunk isn't mentioned as
felt from sky and it's only one story of a metamorphosis of many others (in
this case an addendum of the tale, where some dwarves were turned into
stones).
Nor aren't there many stones left from pre-1800, nor was meteoritics a
monopole of german scientists. There were many more from French, Poland,
Russia...
And if you want to ride the nationalistic horse, "Chladni" is a Slovak (or
was it Slovene name), hehe.
Science always was international, always. Remember the times of the islamic
occupation in Spain, where for centuries people bashed their heads in, but
on the other hand, the Islamic scientists were authorities in the christian
literature like the old Greeks and the Church Fathers.

Perhaps a difference is, that Chladni collected reports from old falls,
naturally a lot from German sources too, but I'm sure, that if one would
study the chronicles in other languages and countries, there are also a lot
to be found. (recently someone sent me a cool fireball report from a local
Church's chronicle from 17th century).

And if you refer to the Ensisheim stone, remember the pamphlets following
the fall, where that fall was taken for an evil omen. 
Thus following the hysterical tradition, that all uncommon phenomena in
nature would be bad signs of God's wrath - and in this respect, Europe is
quite unique, because, as far as I know, in all other cultures, where
meteorites are mentioned (or found), meteorites never had bad connotations.

" and that Generally that Germans attributed mystical 
powers to meteorites like no other culture since the ancients".

See above and certainly not: Indonesia, Mongolia, Japan, the Inuit, the
American Indians, for the Aztecs, Inka ect, you have to look, Arabia and so
on I guess quite everywhere meteorites were venerated or at least used for
tools or jewellery. Would be a nice new thread!

Has anyone pictures of the bracelets of meteoritic iron from 7th-5th century
b.C. in the museum of Czestochowa Rakow in Poland, Marcin?

Eh and Doug, there wasn't any German national "identity" until 19th century.
And go a little bit back, Charlemagne, were where there the French, where
the Germans? It was always multi-ethnical. The racism, if I let the history
of colonisation aside and the exaggerated nationalism was rather an
invention of the 19th century. And thus I guess Sterling and me didn't want
to depress you, as there is hope, for at least some parts on the globe.
Meanwhile we are living in a much more communicative, mobile (and
hedonistic?) world, in Europe people remember the high price they had to pay
for nationalistic insanity, a little bit bad is, that the principle of Cold
War had worked well...
At least Doug, the preconditions are somewhat better, than they were ever
before.

Let's have new thread. Pre A.D. 1800 meteoritics!
Dirk tell us about Asia!
Norbert, Australia?
Marie-Pelé France?
Serguej, Russia?
Andrzej Poland.
Rob, da Commonwealth?
Christian K&K meteorites.
Manjoi - India!
Joern Germany.
Africa?
Doug - Middle America
And so on!

Buckleboo!
Martin








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MexicoDoug
Gesendet: Montag, 27. November 2006 11:54
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Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite novels -gifts II

Hi Sterling,

1-The fact that the French army wanted to enrage the Bohemians by tossing 
the Elbogen iron meteorite in the well is indisputable.  This meteorite is 
Grade A Prime cultural heritage for Bohemia where many ethnic Germans lived 
and was ethnically a contested territory in my understanding.  The French 
actions were part of the hostilities kicked off by the War of Jenkins' Ear 
which morphed into that of Austrian Succession there.  The exciting point 
being that Germans/Bohemians had a cultural appreciation of meteorites which

truly raptures my imagination with pride, cultural curiousity and a transfer

of a certain degree of magic in my mind's eye, due to my own fascination 
with steel from space.

2- My mention of the then Governer of Georgia, Gen. Oglethorpe's bellicose 
expedition of Georgians and Carolinians was to bring to your attention this 
large American campaign in the War of Jenkins' Ear, intended to correct your

statement that Americans never had the odd pleasure of partaking in that 
euphonious war (Soundly put!).

Nothing much I can do about wars despite my heart's desires, other than hope

I would not be called to participate in them.  I really have absolutely no 
opinions or desire to think about human intraspecies' inhumanity.

I'll ten

Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite novels -gifts II

[MexicoDoug]

Hi Sterling,

1-The fact that the French army wanted to enrage the Bohemians by tossing 
the Elbogen iron meteorite in the well is indisputable.  This meteorite is 
Grade A Prime cultural heritage for Bohemia where many ethnic Germans lived 
and was ethnically a contested territory in my understanding.  The French 
actions were part of the hostilities kicked off by the War of Jenkins' Ear 
which morphed into that of Austrian Succession there.  The exciting point 
being that Germans/Bohemians had a cultural appreciation of meteorites which 
truly raptures my imagination with pride, cultural curiousity and a transfer 
of a certain degree of magic in my mind's eye, due to my own fascination 
with steel from space.

2- My mention of the then Governer of Georgia, Gen. Oglethorpe's bellicose 
expedition of Georgians and Carolinians was to bring to your attention this 
large American campaign in the War of Jenkins' Ear, intended to correct your 
statement that Americans never had the odd pleasure of partaking in that 
euphonious war (Soundly put!).

Nothing much I can do about wars despite my heart's desires, other than hope 
I would not be called to participate in them.  I really have absolutely no 
opinions or desire to think about human intraspecies' inhumanity.

I'll tender a request for a favor that my kindly hijacked thread be returned 
to romantic, fantasy and other fictional books on meteorites.  I have to 
admit to believing that anything goes in a discussion group, but was unhappy 
that a thread on romantic and adventure novels with meteorites in their 
plots turned into a discussion of how Europe had more and longer wars than 
the USA. :-( !

.  ... to imagine the relationship between Caledfwlch, Gram, Hrunting, 
Naegling, the Magical Giant Sword that slew Grendel's mother, so difficult 
to hoist or lift up is a recurring theme, and meteorites, which held a 
special fascination in Germanic cultures and craftmanships is very amazing, 
though.  The stone Ensisheim, which fell in German territory at the time was 
recognized by the German Emperor in 1492 to have come from the sky, and 
ordered conserved thanks to him.  It is interesting that the "civilized 
world" didn't really "accept" that rock fell from space until L'Aigle 
pummeled the last holdouts in France more than 300 years later, like a 
thunder fromThor's hammer.  With the greatest respect to France, who seem to 
have been ahead of the Americans (one can easily imagine that the Americans 
followed the French lead), I believe the Franco-Germanic relationship 
strongly colored the French acceptance of meteoritical phenomena and gets to 
the heart of meteorite status in the milieu.  I.e., I bet in the 1740's part 
of the reason the Elbogen meteorite got such harsh treatment was due to the 
memory of Ensisheim having been declared a favorable German icon to unite in 
the war against France, and that Generally that Germans attributed mystical 
powers to meteorites like no other culture since the ancients.  I think the 
French were strongly influenced by the widespread meteorite reverance 
thoughout Germanic cultures (take Grimms' tales and Martin's stories of the 
converted burgrave on Elbogen, and German fascination with hammers, axes and 
metal in general and a its possible relationship to meteoritic iron), which 
provided resistance to recognizing that meteorites really did come from 
heaven as their competing Germanic neighbors believed...

Best wishes,
Doug





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From: "Sterling K. Webb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Meteorite List" 
Cc: "MexicoDoug" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Martin Altmann" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite novels -gifts II


> Hi, Doug, Martin, List,
>
>Operating on the principle that the longer I talk,
> the more likely my chance to really annoy someone
> becomes, I snipped a lot of sentences out of what
> I originally wrote.
>
>The history of the USA up until 1900-1910 is best
> described as a kind of "ongoing conflict," somewhat
> short of formal war. I was going to say that, so no
> disagreement there. In fact, the history of most nations
> can be so described with some accuracy.
>
>Even with Martin's addition of a few hundred more
> wars for Europe, there's a background of conflict that
> generates them. The Serbian obsession with Kosovo,
> its ancient "homeland," dates from a conquest late in
> the first millennium AD of the people who still live there,
> the Illyrians, or rather their descendents, who were there
> before the first millennium BC, which makes the Serbian
> "historical" claim look a little silly.
>
>But these ethnic histories solve nothing; one has only
> to look at the Middle East to have that demonstrated.
> Such arguments over who is exclusively entitled to the
> "land" are endless, unending, and productive of nothing
> but carnage, even between folks as completely and
> totally indistinguishable a

[meteorite-list] Classification of new iron meteorites

[info]

Dear List,

we have been told that J.T. Wasson at UCLA currently is the only scientist who 
takes in new irons for analysis and classification. Regarding Germany it seems 
that our country has no longer any capacity for instrumental neutron activation 
analysis of iron meteorites. What about other European countries or the 
Vernadsky institute for example?

We are interested to learn if there are any adept followers stepping into the 
footsteps of the Grandmaster of irons. 

Thanks for your efforts in advance

Svend

www.niger-meteorite-recon.de
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[meteorite-list] Moon Meteorite on eBay

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Hello
list :-)I have a nice moon metoerite  partslice with crust
on ebay :http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180053858476Still at 1 US$ThomasIMCA #0298


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Re: [meteorite-list] The ultimate meteorite tester

[mark ford]

This whole 'spy poisoned by Polonium 210' thing; whilst clearly tragic
for those concerned, it was interesting reading the reports in the press
over the weekend, talk about complete misconception after misconception!


The revelation that 'you can actually buy a radioactive source in the
internet!' Erm, well actually you can buy a powerful Alpha source in
your local supermarket (in a smoke alarm). (Key detail is the activity
<1uCi!, which the press decided to 'overlook' in their reports) 

Now show me where you can buy a 700GBq Po-210 source (without any
'questions asked') and I will be worried, until then 


Dave said:
> I think I'm gonna start a new hobby. collecting radioactive
isotopes.

.. As HAL from '2001' would say: 'Im sorry Dave, I'm afraid you can't do
that!' :)


Mark





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Sent: 27 November 2006 04:49
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As they say in their web site:  "If you're looking for a clean,
accurate,
certified radiation sources, here they are..."

I think I'm gonna start a new hobby. collecting radioactive
isotopes.

Dave

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> Interesting note-- I just saw this web site featured on CBS news
tonight.
> Included a brief interview with the site operator.  It was on because
other than
> magnets, the site sells radioactive materials, including Palodium 210
(and
lists
> a few meteorites, but all show as "sold")
>
>
> On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 16:30:29 -0500, you wrote:
>
> >Take a look at the "supermagnets" near the bottom of the page.
Massive
> >rare-earth magnets.
> >
> >http://www.unitednuclear.com/magnets.htm
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite novels -gifts II

[E.P. Grondine]

Hi all - 

I considered labeling this OT or AD, but...

Sterling - 

I cover the Native American epidemics in "Man and
Impact in the Americas".  While there was a major
epidemic ca. 1200 C.E. (A.D.) it does not appear to
have been Black Death, which occured 1347 CE and
following years. The symptoms of the ca. 1200 CE
epidemic seem to have been different than Black Death.

If you have any info otherwise, Sterling, please share
it with me for the second edition.

Ed

--- "Sterling K. Webb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Hi, Doug, Martin, List,
> 
> Operating on the principle that the longer I
> talk,
> the more likely my chance to really annoy someone
> becomes, I snipped a lot of sentences out of what
> I originally wrote.
> 
> The history of the USA up until 1900-1910 is
> best
> described as a kind of "ongoing conflict," somewhat
> short of formal war. I was going to say that, so no
> disagreement there. In fact, the history of most
> nations
> can be so described with some accuracy.
> 
> Even with Martin's addition of a few hundred
> more
> wars for Europe, there's a background of conflict
> that
> generates them. The Serbian obsession with Kosovo,
> its ancient "homeland," dates from a conquest late
> in
> the first millennium AD of the people who still live
> there,
> the Illyrians, or rather their descendents, who were
> there
> before the first millennium BC, which makes the
> Serbian
> "historical" claim look a little silly.
> 
> But these ethnic histories solve nothing; one
> has only
> to look at the Middle East to have that
> demonstrated.
> Such arguments over who is exclusively entitled to
> the
> "land" are endless, unending, and productive of
> nothing
> but carnage, even between folks as completely and
> totally indistinguishable as two Irishmen.
> 
> United Statesians (so as to avoid the over-broad
> usage
> of "Americans") mostly have what is so often called
> a
> "naive" view: "Why doesn't everybody just forget
> about
> settling the score for the past and try to work on
> solving
> the problems that exist NOW?"
> 
> The scorn of the sophisticated not withstanding,
> there
> is a another name for this: SANITY. If the price of
> this
> mental health is to be achieved by, say, modern
> Europeans,
> acting as if THEY never had a war, being morally
> superior
> to those so backward as to get stuck in conflicts,
> well,
> sanity is worth that. That IS the idea -- to dump
> the past.
> "History," said James Joyce a century ago, "is a
> nightmare
> I'm trying to wake up from."
> 
> > does Europe have a "Battle of Little Bighorn",
> which...
> > was the fight leading to the demise of a race of
> people?
> 
> Duh. Yeah! And the Sioux (and all the other
> tribes
> that participated in an INDIAN victory there) still
> exist,
> no thanks to General Custer, just as Jews still
> exist, no
> thanks to... We weren't going to drag up the past,
> were we?
> 
> > if the Indians had caught on quicker...
> 
> American natives caught on right away. They each
> and all sat in council about what to do about the
> odd
> newcomers from the very year they first showed up!
> Every strategy you can imagine was tried. It's
> common-
> place to present these centuries of native
> statecraft as
> if they all sat there like idiots until the late
> 1800's, but
> that notion is what is really demeaning. A delay of
> a
> potential annihilation for centuries is a major
> achievement;
> there are innumerable spots around the globe where
> indigenous peoples have been destroyed in a decade
> or three. As for uniting scores, even hundreds, of
> nations with no common language, belief, or culture,
> ask Tecumseh about how that worked out...
> 
> The real "war" was epidemiological. The "Black
> Death" made its way into North America ahead of the
> Europeans, in the 15th century, and was followed
> shortly by a flood of new European diseases in the
> next century. Europeans, in person, were entering
> devastated and de-populated lands everywhere in
> the "New World," north and south. Not that they
> weren't trying to kill the locals, just that their
> efforts
> were puny compared to what the microbes (whose
> existence both sides were unaware of) accomplished.
> It's hard to slow down an invasion when your own
> population is reduced by up to 90%!
> 
> I'm sorry you were so upset by General
> Oglethorpe
> and the Battle of Bloody Marsh, Doug, but I will
> remind
> you that it took place after Jerkins carted his
> ear-in-a-jar
> up to the British Parliment and got Walpole to
> declare
> the Ear War. Had the fortunes of war fallen
> differently,
> why, you would be walking the picturesque calles de
> Neuvo Atlanta, capitol of Las Floridas del Norte,
> while
> avoiding the camera-toting USian tourists in their
> garish
> shirts and plastic flip-flops...
> 
> I would love to "kick around" the causes of the
> five-day "Football War" with you, Doug, but I think
> that it breaks the tenuous chai

Re: [meteorite-list] What is this?

[E.P. Grondine]

Hi Jim, list - 

In all of my Adena and Hopewell reading and site
visits I have never seen anything like this object or
read a description which might match it.

The object was reported "near" an Adena site, but
since all of those sites were prime real estate which
was re-occupied by colonists, it is likely that this
object is modern.

Where exactly was the location?  I note the surface
revealed by the carved initials - Could it be water
rounded coal? A stream boulder blackened by fire? The
symmetry is baffling.

no joy this time, so 
good hunting, 
Ed


 






--- Jim Strope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Anybody have any ideas?
> 
> Obviously not a meteorite but here is the story.
> 
> "I have a friend who has what he thinks is a
> metorite which was disccovered 
> near an adena indian burial mound by a grave digger
> in 1894 and given to a 
> doctor for a medical bill. This possible metorite
> weighs about 75 lbs. and 
> is black in color like the one you have for same but
> it is more symmetrical 
> and water melon shaped."
> 
> Here is the photo:
> 
> http://www.catchafallingstar.com/000.jpg
> 
> 
> Jim Strope
> 421 Fourth Street
> Glen Dale, WV  26038
> 
> http://www.catchafallingstar.com 
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