[meteorite-list] On Stretch Tektites

[Email from Chinaren76]

Hi listees,

On tektites, especially unusual tektites, for example,
stretch tektites, i have several questions.
1. what's the definition of stretch tektites from the
points of science?
2. How were the stretch tektites created?
3. How many are there the known stretch tektites found
by meteorite/tektite collectors nowdays?

In addition, i found one piece of tektite, with
characteristics very similar to that of stretch-types,
but i'm not sure. Please view photos from the link
below:

http://www.esnips.com/web/TektitefromChina

4. Is this piece a stretch one?

Any tips will be deeply appreciated.

Regards

Miss Ma Lan
Beijng, China




 

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Re: [meteorite-list] A first timers view of Tucson so far

[Pat Brown]

Hi Azaware, 

The Tucson Electric Park show is at the corner of Ajo
and Kino Parkway. This is about 5 miles south and 5
miles east of downtown. I was there today and there
are were 4 or 5 faceting machines on display with
stonecutters working on stones on each machine. 

With Best Regards, 
Pat Brown

--- Desert Tours <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > I will go to the Tucson Electric Park show
> tomorrow to
> > check out the lapidary saws and laps etc.
> 
> 
> Hi Pat
> 
> Where is the Tucson Electric Park show? Would I also
> be able to find like a 
> Faceting Machine that is for gemstone cutting. Any
> dealers here or anyone 
> have or know where I could look at some in Tucson?
> 
> thanks 
> 
> 

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[meteorite-list] Video 3 - Tucson 2007

[mccartney]

More Video clips of Tucson rooms!  Yes, they are short ... 5 seconds is 
average. And they are big, like 10-20 Megs each... but hey, its on the fly live 
from Tucson!

This is Geoff Notkin displaying his Brenham Siderite found during the Wired 
Magazine show for a photo shoot by Keith. To the left is Anne Black (11 megs)
http://www.outofabluesky.com/tucson2007/notkin_shoot.avi

This is Mike Farmer's room without Mike. (He was off shopping)  The huge 
oriented stone on  the bottom shelf received a $100,000 offer that was 
declined. (24 megs)
http://www.outofabluesky.com/tucson2007/farmerless.avi

THis is Edwin Thompson's room (aka ET) You will first see his son (with the 
spiked blond hair) talking with Evelyn. In the background next to the booze is 
Mike and Bill Jensen talking with Mexico Doug.  The background behind ET is his 
phenomenal book collection. (15 megs)
http://www.outofabluesky.com/tucson2007/et.avi

best,
mt
INN SUITES Room 230
http://www.outofabluesky.com/tucson2007/et.avi 





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[meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day

[Darren Garrison]

http://www.spacerocksinc.com/February_1.html
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[meteorite-list] The NJO/science project

[tracy latimer]

I like the term "entuberated".  I will have to pass that along to one of my 
friends who, like those teens, is fascinated by archaic and unconventional 
armament.  He has built a spud gun, a ballista, a trebuchet, several Tesla 
projects, and is active in the SCA; while he always practices as much safety 
as possible, some of his experimental weapons have equally unconventional 
results.  One of the more notorious stories involves a homemade cannon, New 
Year's Eve, and 3 slightly drunk friends involved in loading said cannon.  
The end result, while non-damaging, hurled the cannon off its truck and 
deafened at least a block radius.

I can easily see someone who, while experimenting with a homemade rail gun 
or some such, "lost" a projectile and is reluctant to 'fess up, especially 
when property damage is involved.

Tracy Latimer
>
> Of course, it could be thrown by many other means
>than explosive ones. A nine second fall in the Earth's
>gravitational field will yield a 200 mph velocity after
>falling from 1300 feet. And, frankly, a six-second fall
>(570 feet, 130 mph) is enough to puncture that roof
>and ceiling.
> It is reported to be an 11-ounce object. Shall we
>have a contest to see how many ways we can think
>of to lob an 11-ounce chunk 600 feet high? Or maybe
>just turn the job over to some bored teen-agers? (I
>have an otherwise sane friend fascinated by potato
>cannons; he can lob a near-kilogram Idaho more
>than a kilometer! By some miracle, he has never
>entuberated a living target...)

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[meteorite-list] Stllen meteorites Photos

[sryfjnstryj tsyjhdteyjh]

Dear list,
Here are the photos of the stollen Meteorites by Rob Elliott.
http://stollennwameteor.skyblog.com/
Here Rob's site.
http://fernlea.tripod.com/nwa2.html
It's the same story as Matteo Chinellato had with Mohamed Ait Ouzrou,he stole 
280 Euros.I will write the complete story later.
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[meteorite-list] Stollen NWA meteorites-Photo

[sryfjnstryj tsyjhdteyjh]

Dear list,
Here are the photos of the stollen Meteorites by Rob Elliott.
http://stollennwameteor.skyblog.com/
Here Rob's site.
http://fernlea.tripod.com/nwa2.html
It's the same story as Matteo Chinellato had with Mohamed, he stole 280 Euros.I 
will write the complete story later.
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[meteorite-list] New Meteorwrong Photo Gallery, 100s of photos

[Joe]

Hello list,
  I have been taking, editing, and uploading many many meteorite and 
meteorwrong photos. In doing so I have created one of the biggest meteorwrong 
photo collection that I have ever seen. These are all good meteorwrongs, I have 
tossed all of the ones that do not really resemble a meteorite. Some of these 
may actually be meteorites, but for now they will stay in the meteorwrong 
collection. I have found almost all of these in Illinois, USA. Some have been 
purchased on EBay, both as meteorites and meteorwrongs.  
   I put this page togather to help people figure out what meteorites look 
like, and alos what meteorwrong look like, this way people will not waste thier 
time picking up and analyzing terrestrial stone that look like meteorites. I 
have also done this because I enjoy collecting meteorwrong for a couple of 
reasons, one is that it reminds me of all of the time I have put in hunting and 
soo few meteorite finds to show for it, It also helps me recognise a 
meteorite/meteorwrong in the field so I do not waste my time. Also I just like 
to see lots of photos of meteorites and meteorwrongs. 
   I hope that all of you enjoy this gallery as much as I do. I also hope that 
this works as an educational tool for some people who are starting out hunting 
meteorites, or even experienced hunters.

Here is a link to the Meteorwrong Photo Gallery:
http://illinoismeteorites.com/meteorwrongs.htm

Happy Hunting!!!
Enjoy,
Joe Kerchner
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[meteorite-list] Faceting Machine any in Tucson

[Desert Tours]

Hi list

Faceting Machine is for gemstone cutting. Any dealers here or anyone have or 
know where I could look at some in Tucson? 

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[meteorite-list] Etching Iron Meteorites

[David & Kitt Deyarmin]

You said it was incorrect to state that only meteorites exhibited a 
Widmanstatten pattern.

What other materials exhibit a Widmanstatten pattern?

Do you have pictures?


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[meteorite-list] Fwd: The New Jersey Object

[Jason Utas]

Guess this didn't go through last time...in any case, better late than
never.

-- Forwarded message --
From: Jason Utas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Jan 31, 2007 10:43 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The New Jersey Object
To: Meteorite-list 

Hello Darren, All,
By right-clicking the photos, clicking properties, and going directly to the
picture URL, I was able to get these:

http://www.njfossils.net/meteorite/DVC01306.JPG

http://www.njfossils.net/meteorite/DVC01291.JPG

http://www.njfossils.net/meteorite/DVC01288.JPG

http://www.njfossils.net/meteorite/DVC01308.JPG

http://www.njfossils.net/meteorite/DVC01293.JPG

http://www.njfossils.net/meteorite/DVC01307.JPG

http://www.njfossils.net/meteorite/DVC01310.JPG

http://www.njfossils.net/meteorite/DVC01311.JPG

Hope this helpsI'm still of the opinion that it's a wrong in any case.
Regards,
Jason

On 1/31/07, Darren Garrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 23:27:34 + (GMT), you wrote:

>For anybody intersted in seeing the pictures that I took of the NJO, I
created a short webpage  of the images.
>They are raw from the camera, so they might take a little time to
load.  Thanks, Derek.
>
>www.njfossils.net/newjerseyobject.html

Thanks for poting them, but unless you only took 269x202 pictures, these
are
just small thumbnail images.  Do you have full sized ones?  And do you
have an
opinion on meteorite or not?
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[meteorite-list] Sikhote-Alin Picture of the Day

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[meteorite-list] Sikhote-Alin Picture of the Day

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Re: [meteorite-list] The New Jersey Object

[Jason Utas]

Hello Darren, All,
By right-clicking the photos, clicking properties, and going directly to the
picture URL, I was able to get these:

http://www.njfossils.net/meteorite/DVC01306.JPG

http://www.njfossils.net/meteorite/DVC01291.JPG

http://www.njfossils.net/meteorite/DVC01288.JPG

http://www.njfossils.net/meteorite/DVC01308.JPG

http://www.njfossils.net/meteorite/DVC01293.JPG

http://www.njfossils.net/meteorite/DVC01307.JPG

http://www.njfossils.net/meteorite/DVC01310.JPG

http://www.njfossils.net/meteorite/DVC01311.JPG

Hope this helpsI'm still of the opinion that it's a wrong in any case.
Regards,
Jason

On 1/31/07, Darren Garrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 23:27:34 + (GMT), you wrote:

>For anybody intersted in seeing the pictures that I took of the NJO, I
created a short webpage  of the images.
>They are raw from the camera, so they might take a little time to
load.  Thanks, Derek.
>
>www.njfossils.net/newjerseyobject.html

Thanks for poting them, but unless you only took 269x202 pictures, these
are
just small thumbnail images.  Do you have full sized ones?  And do you
have an
opinion on meteorite or not?
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Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay Buyer Bewares

[John Exarhou]

Hello all,

I am writing this Email to notify that that Ebay meteorite :

_http://cgi.ebay.com/New-BOUSE-Meteorite-SLICE-L4-6-chondrite-very-limited_W0QQitemZ230080307115QQihZ013QQcategoryZ3239QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
_

Looks identical to all of my NWA 869 meteorites ( and I have a few in all
forms polished, sliced, spheres, individuals with a window ! ).

 Well it still is a meteorite !  :-)



On 1/30/07, D. Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Dear Meteorite_List,
Thanks for the heads up, Jason.

FYI - Yes. This meteorite came to the UA for examination.  Based on the *
initial* description of the find location and circumstances, it appeared
to be a new meteorite.  Casts were made, at our expense, to preserve the
interesting shape.  The recovery circumstances became less reliable with
time.  The meteorite was not cut or analyzed in any way.  So we cannot
confirm classification or pairing.

Best regards,
Dolores Hill
Lunar & Planetary Laboratory
University of Arizona

Jason Utas wrote:

Hello All,
Just a heads up - if you couldn't tell from the description, this one's a
scam.

_http://cgi.ebay.com/Meteorite-3-229-Grams-Solid-Iron-Meteorite-WOW_W0QQitemZ230084232264QQihZ013QQcategoryZ3239QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
_



While at the U of Az this summer, I was told a bit of info about this
piece, it's visual characteristics, and the hesitance of the owner to get it
chemically tested.  It looks like a pretty flaky Canyon Diablo in person,
and the owner claims to have found it...in its already wire-brushed form ;)
I don't know about the crap they said regarding molds that have been put
on display - none were.
$.30/g for a biggish CD is a bit high for meI think most would agree.

Oh - and have a look at what's quite possibly the most expensive Nantan
(by weight anyways) to ever hit Ebay...

_http://cgi.ebay.com/Meteorite-Stoney-Meteor-Extraterrestrial-Troilite_W0QQitemZ320074247924QQihZ011QQcategoryZ3239QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
_



To voice another of my suspicions, does anyone notice a similarity to NWA
869?

_http://cgi.ebay.com/New-BOUSE-Meteorite-SLICE-L4-6-chondrite-very-limited_W0QQitemZ230080307115QQihZ013QQcategoryZ3239QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
_



Just wondering - after all, the individual that went a few weeks ago on
Ebay looked identical to countless beautifully desert varnished individuals
of NWA 869 that I've seen in Moroccans' trays - and laying about my desk.
The fact that this slice is also visually indistinguishable from 869 makes
me somewhat more sure of my suspicions.
Mind you, I have no evidence to prove that it isn't a new Arizona find.
In my personal opinion, however, if it looks and smells like a particular
meteorite, odds are...
Well, you know what I mean - always use your noggin with Ebay.

Regards,
Jason

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Re: [meteorite-list] Green MOON OVER TUCSON-photo

[M come Meteorite Meteorites]

Another confirm of how many is few honest the
moroccans, I was in negotiation with a italian museum
for buy this lunar meteorite, the moroccan have say:
yes yes no problem is on hold for youoh yes, I
have seennow what I say to the museum? For sure I
never buy any other meteorite from moroccans

Matteo


--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto:

> Please enjoy the follow photo from Tucson today at
> this link - but 
> there is no substitute for seeing in up and close in
> person:
> http://www.diogenite.com/luna606.jpg
> 


M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato
Via Triestina 126/A - 30173 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it 
Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info
MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com
EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/






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[meteorite-list] Impossible to go ahead

[M come Meteorite Meteorites]

its impossible to go ahead with this list where the
messagges arrive after days they were written, create
only chaos. And from what I seen I am not the unique
to have problems. When change all

Matteo


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> Yes, thaks to horrible old trades many italian
> material its go lost forever, seen Renazzo know only
> 1
> kg. on 10 is fallen, major italian material return
> home better it is
> 
> Matteo
> 
> 
> > 
> > >So does this mean, Matteo, that you are returning
> > all
> > >historical meteorites all other countries, THEIR
> > REAL
> > >HOMES?
> > 
> 
> 
> M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato
> Via Triestina 126/A - 30173 - TESSERA, VENEZIA,
> ITALY
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it 
> Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info
> MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com
>
EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/
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Via Triestina 126/A - 30173 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it 
Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info
MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com
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[meteorite-list] Sikhote-Alin Picture of the Day

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[meteorite-list] Tucson Finds

[Norm Lehrman]

Gang,

I just posted a page on our website with pics of some
of our Tucson acquisitions that will be of interest to
some of you. Its biased towards tektites, but includes
some NWAs and a Sikhote.  Be sure to check out the
little shatter cone we found in a box of NWAs.

http://tektitesource.com/Tucson2007.htm

There's a bit of verbiage regarding the supply-side
status and pricing included.  

There are some very noticeable changes this year. 
Libyan Desert glass and Besednice moldavites were in
short supply and mostly inferior quality.  I saw two
Aussie flanged buttons at an asking price of $2300 or
$2500 each.  No Billitons, Malaysians, Borneos, Ivory
Coasts, Javans, Tibetans, Georgians, or Bediasites
that I saw.  Only a handful of Rizalites.  One dealer
had a couple of little Wabars and Irghizites. I saw
one small lot each of Aouelloul, Darwin, and
Monturaqui.  Still good supplies of Indochinites.

With the Moroccans, unclassified NWA stoneys were in
greatly diminished abundance and general quality.  I
turned down one lot at $25/kg, and if they had been
free I would've picked out one or two bits and left
the rest!  There was still some good stuff though(see
pictures).  One guy had three big stoneys over 25
kilos each.

There were about half as many Sikhotes as last year,
and bullets are now individually specimen priced. 
Last year I bought them by weight.

I'll leave commentary regarding the fancier meteorites
for those who know them better.

Cheers,
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Re: [meteorite-list] The New Jersey Object

[Sterling K. Webb]

Hi, All


> if it is something thrown by some sort of explosion...

Of course, it could be thrown by many other means
than explosive ones. A nine second fall in the Earth's
gravitational field will yield a 200 mph velocity after
falling from 1300 feet. And, frankly, a six-second fall
(570 feet, 130 mph) is enough to puncture that roof
and ceiling.
It is reported to be an 11-ounce object. Shall we
have a contest to see how many ways we can think
of to lob an 11-ounce chunk 600 feet high? Or maybe
just turn the job over to some bored teen-agers? (I
have an otherwise sane friend fascinated by potato
cannons; he can lob a near-kilogram Idaho more
than a kilometer! By some miracle, he has never
entuberated a living target...)
And yes, the FAA said it isn't one of theirs, but...
Couldn't that merely mean it isn't recognizably one
of theirs? They're not going to take responsibility unless
you can prove it's aircraft related (obvious shape, or
maybe a part number).


> Are the owners forbidding the object cut and
> tested or etched?

They have yet to be persuaded to do so. So, we
are speculating. Speculation is what happens when you
don't know anything at all or not enough or not anything
conclusive. The only definitive element is the object
itself; it's the sole piece of actual evidence of anything.
The NJO will either be a worthless conversation
piece, or it will be a meteorite. It won't BE a meteorite
until you hack off twenty grams and send it to a
certified lab. (Or, in the case of an iron, have it done.)
That's the price of existence... for a meteorite.
Opinion has no place in it. It's a physical determination.
That's all that counts.


> How was the nickel presence confirmed?

Delaney of Rutgers, who has published on meteoritic
topics, was allow to test for nickel; it was positive. As I
understand it, he has not been allowed to cut, slice, window
or etch. He also measured the density, which was in the
range for an iron. (Knowing the dimensions, shape, and
weight from early articles you could calculate the density,
which I did and posted here, at 7.0 to 8.0 gm/cm^2).


> seeing bigger pictures makes it look odder and odder...

Very odd. If the NJO is real, it has a lot of 'splaining to do.


> I wholly agree with tabling this topic for a month or so...

Oh, Pish! Darryl; we're talking about meteorites. Isn't
that what the List is for? Or is it reserved exclusively for
Sale Announcements and Dealer Braggadocio? We know
that you like only pretty meteorites, so this one is not really
your provence, being, as it is, Butt Ugly.
It may not be tested in a month, a year, or ever, given
the owner's reluctance. I like the exercise of Observation,
Deduction, Calculation, and Hypothesis, while waiting for
actual testing and some real data, if that ever happens. (Isn't
there a name for that process?)


> ...if it is outright fraud

The neighborhood is a well-to-do, somewhat cloistered
one, according to local papers; the owners of the meteorite
are the owners of the property where it fell. They seem to
be puzzled and uncertain about what to do, it appears, and
not overjoyed by the attention they're getting.


Darryl says:

> I'm informed the object will undergo appropriate analysis.

If that is the True Skinny, the Inside Dope, wonderful!
But until that event emerges from the vast darkness and deep
womb of Futurity, we'll probably keep testing our powers of
observation against the as-yet unspoken definitive word.
Or, maybe, we're just grumpy because we can't in Tucson
looking at REAL metorites.


Sterling K. Webb

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To: 
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The New Jersey Object


On Thu, 01 Feb 2007 18:08:51 -0500, you wrote:

>
>It would be cool if it were genuine, but personally, I see much to be
>skeptical about.
>

I agree, seeing bigger pictures makes it look odder and odder.  But the 
question
is, if it is something thrown by some sort of explosion, shouldn't there be 
more
debris other places, and reports of the explosion?  Or if it is outright 
fraud,
could they really be determined enough to drill a hole through their roof, 
their
ceiling, and puch a hole in the wall?
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Re: [meteorite-list] A first timers view of Tucson so far

[Desert Tours]

> I will go to the Tucson Electric Park show tomorrow to
> check out the lapidary saws and laps etc.


Hi Pat

Where is the Tucson Electric Park show? Would I also be able to find like a 
Faceting Machine that is for gemstone cutting. Any dealers here or anyone 
have or know where I could look at some in Tucson?

thanks 

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[meteorite-list] I found in mojave dessert

[Metorman46]

Hello hbobo; I have misinformed you on getting  your suspect meteorite 
verified.Actually it is Arizona State University at Tempe  Arizona and Larry 
Lebofsky so kindly informed me that the University of Arizona  at Tucson 
Arizona also 
verifys meteorites.They are on the web.again,good luck,  and again i hope you 
have found a meteorite.

Best of luck;Herman Archer.  

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[meteorite-list] Why does the Moon look like this? Here it is in black and white ...

[Gary K. Foote]

http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=166052007

Why does the Moon look like this? Here it is in black and white ...

EBEN HARRELL
 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 

SCIENTISTS in Edinburgh have recreated Moon rock in a laboratory and simulated 
the 
conditions of an asteroid explosion to learn why the lunar body has its 
distinctive black 
and white colouration. 

The Moon was formed 4.5 billion years ago after the Earth collided with a 
massive comet 
and a large chunk of the debris was trapped in the earth's gravitational pull. 

But the collision released a huge amount of energy, in the form of heat, which 
turned 
much of the Moon's surface into a lunar ocean of magma, or lava. The lava then 
cooled and 
solidified. To investigate the effect this cooling had on the Moon's surface, 
geologists 
at Edinburgh University created artificial pieces of Moon rock based on the 
chemical 
compositions of samples brought back from the Apollo space missions. They then 
used a 
special furnace to heat the artificial rock to 1,500C, turning it to magma, and 
then 
watched it cool. 

White crystals were the first to form in the magma, floating on top of the 
black liquid, 
suggesting that during its original formation, the Moon was covered by a 
perfect white 
sheen. 

But the centre of the scientists' sample - and the Moon - was black. 

This all but proves the long-held theory that some 2.5 billion years ago, an 
asteroid 
shower must have hit the Moon, rupturing its white exterior and causing 
volcanic 
explosions of black lava. The lava - dark in colour because of its high 
concentration of 
iron - was slowly pulled by the Moon's weak gravity into valleys, exposing dark 
craters 
and white "lunar highlands". 

This is why the Moon is white and black. 

Dr Stephan Klemme, the lead researcher, said: "When you look at rocks from the 
Moon and 
from the Earth, they are very similar. The black rock on Arthur's Seat [in 
Edinburgh], 
for example, is not much different from black Moon rock. However, there are 
crucial 
differences that have baffled scientists. 

"Our experiments have shown that the minerals creating the white rock - seen in 
the lunar 
highlands - would have crystallised first, whereas the dark and heavy iron-rich 
minerals 
would have sunk in the magma oceans, creating darker rock that would have been 
buried 
deep inside the Moon. 

"The reason that the darker rocks are now visible on the surface of the Moon is 
proof of 
a later period of intensive meteorite showers. The iron-rich minerals that were 
deep 
inside the Moon proved to be especially high in hafnium and low in tungsten, 
and would 
have erupted to the surface as molten rock, filling the valleys on the Moon and 
leaving a 
darker shade we observe today." 

Dr Klemme, of the university's school of geosciences, said the research was 
carried out 
in Edinburgh because of a specialised furnace that allowed scientists to not 
only heat 
the Moon rock, but do so in atmospheric conditions that mimicked the low-oxygen 
conditions found on the lunar surface. 

The research comes during renewed interest in manned exploration of Earth's 
only 
satellite. Last month, NASA, the US space agency, outlined plans for a 
permanent base on 
the Moon as part of preparation for a voyage to Mars. Construction of the base 
is 
scheduled to take about five years, with the first preliminary missions 
beginning by 
2020. 

The latest findings serve as another confirmation of the giant-impact 
hypothesis for the 
formation of the Earth-Moon system. In this theory, the impact of a Mars-sized 
body, 
which has been referred to as Theia or Orpheus, into the proto-Earth is thought 
to have 
put enough material into the planet's orbit to create the Moon. Computer 
simulations can 
account for the angular momentum of the Earth-Moon system, as well as the small 
size of 
the lunar core.

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Re: [meteorite-list] The New Jersey Object

[Darryl Pitt]

i'm informed the object will undergo appropriate analysis.

as previously expressed, i highly doubt this is a new meteorite---and  
i wholly agree
with the tabling this topic for a month or so or until such time  
there is news.

as it regards the media's turn with this event, consider the dictum  
"reality ultimately doesn't
matterit's only how things are perceived."

have fun in tucson---or wherever you are.  /d

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Re: [meteorite-list] The New Jersey Object

[Darren Garrison]

On Thu, 01 Feb 2007 18:08:51 -0500, you wrote:

>
>It would be cool if it were genuine, but personally, I see much to be 
>skeptical about.
>

I agree, seeing bigger pictures makes it look odder and odder.  But the question
is, if it is something thrown by some sort of explosion, shouldn't there be more
debris other places, and reports of the explosion?  Or if it is outright fraud,
could they really be determined enough to drill a hole through their roof, their
ceiling, and puch a hole in the wall?
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Re: [meteorite-list] The New Jersey Object

[Pete Pete]

Yes, I recall that discussion, too - the parallel lines were attributed to 
the metallic crystal composition...or something like that.


Are the owners forbidding the object cut and tested or etched? They seem to 
be proponents of the object furthering education and understanding of 
meteorites, and this procedure would be an obvious boost. I don't understand 
why they don't say, "go for it!"

There has been mention of a "nickel/iron" composition. How was the nickel 
presence confirmed? A "field test" kit?
(The Shirokovsky non-meteorite has a nickel presence, right?)

There has also been mention of the object meeting the proper expected 
density of an iron meteorite.
Are there specifics available from these findings?

Has this "confirmation" been strictly by Rutgers' personnel?
Does anyone on the List have knowledge of their crediblility regarding 
meteoritics?

I've tried to keep up with the news for this object, but there seems to be 
few facts repeated often, and I may have missed some of this information.

One further question: has trajectory from the holes in the roof and ceiling 
been considered for possible calculation of searching for additional 
associated objects to this "fall/find"?
Forensics can do it with fired bullets (Back, and to the left) (Apologies) - 
you'd think it would be pertinent for such a touted rare occasion.

It would be cool if it were genuine, but personally, I see much to be 
skeptical about.

Cheers,
Pete




From: Darren Garrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The New Jersey Object
Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 10:58:44 -0500

On Thu, 01 Feb 2007 10:10:51 -0500, you wrote:

 >Here's another observation pertaining to the unusual surface marks of this
 >unidentified fallen? object.
 >I'm seeing sets of parallel lines that appear to have been gouged into 
this
 >thing. They are inset horizontally and vertically, Perpendicular to each
 >other. Could this have happened while crashing through the roof, ceiling,
 >floor,tile, sheetrock, etc ..., or perhaps up in space? I'm trying to
 >imagine how a freshly falling iron meteorite could have managed to obtain
 >these ="=  damage signatures.
 >

This makes me think of a thread on the list a year or two back discussing 
some
Sikhote-Alin individuals with parallel grooves in the surface.  Anyone 
remember
that subject/those meteorites?
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[meteorite-list] Fw: Green MOON OVER TUCSON-photo

[Jose Campos]

Hey Doug,
Thats quite some rock you are holding in that picture! Thank you to you and 
to all at Chladni's Heir's there,  for sharing it with us.
Enjoy your 2007 Tucson Show, I wish I coukd be there!
José Campos
Portugal

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Subject: [meteorite-list] Green MOON OVER TUCSON-photo


> Hello List, with such a brilliant moon above us these evenings, Tucson
> a.k.a., "The Old Pueblo" is the METEORITICALLY ENDOWED city to be,
> which such a tradition of attracting the most fabulous planetary
> specimens every February.  This year is no exception!
>
> Please enjoy the follow photo from Tucson today at this link - but
> there is no substitute for seeing in up and close in person:
> http://www.diogenite.com/luna606.jpg
>
> For those not so fortunate to peruse the fantastic selection in the
> dealers' hotel rooms, I wanted to pass along this picture which I feel
> on top of the world to have been fortunate to get thanks to the very
> gracious group in Chladni´s Heir´s (room 334 on the second floor of the
> InnSuites Hotel 2nd floor).
>
> In it you can see me grinning like possum holding the 606 GRAM BIG
> GREEN REGMAGLYPTED LUNAR NWA 3163/4483.  Like in years before when Bob
> Haag was so kind to let me hold his Calcalong Creek and Mike his Holy
> Grail (Sadly I missed Greg´s main mass an Tucson last year), this year
> I must extend my congratulations to Stefan, Martin and Andi for a
> mind-bogglingly attractive new recovery of this lunar beauty.
>
> The weather is a bit nippy in the evenings and has drizzled a bit
> during the last two days, but we look forward to a warm and Sunny
> weekend.
>
> Rubbing elbows with the grande dame of meteoritika, the editor of
> Meteorite Magazine, the TV stars, and all of the famous meteorite
> hunting desert vacuum cleaners, stone cutter and iron sculpters, Rusty
> Bill and the Russians who have made it against all odds, and the many
> Moroccan friends - we are fortunate to have, Best health,
> Doug
> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] The New Jersey Object

[Sterling K. Webb]

Hi, Jeff,

> drag the image to the URL address bar...

Thanks for what is, to me, a new trick. Works
fine and makes the pictures big enough and clear
enough to see the surface features, which makes
it clear that the chances this is a meteorite very
small indeed.
For example, it seems that the edges of those
depressions that might be regmaglypts are very
sharp. Atmospheric ablation never produces a
sharp edge anywhere and never around a
depression it's ablating out.
There are "parallel" grooves, but they're
oriented in patches which show no general
orientation to each other. Some adjacent sets
of grooves met at right angles to each other.
There's one double groove that makes an
angled turn!
The Universe is surprising, but for this to
be a real meteorite is too much of a surprise
to ask for.

Sterling K. Webb

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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: 
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 6:45 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The New Jersey Object


Hey Darren,

The pics are larger but just shrunk to fit on the page. You can either save
the image and view it normally on your computer as you might any other pic
or even drag the image to the URL address bar which will enlarge it.

Cheers,

Jeff

P.S. I remain unconvinced at this stage until someone "meteoritically
qualified" says different! ;-)


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Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 3:52 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The New Jersey Object


On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 23:27:34 + (GMT), you wrote:

>For anybody intersted in seeing the pictures that I took of the NJO, I
created a short webpage  of the images.
>They are raw from the camera, so they might take a little time to load.
Thanks, Derek.
>
>www.njfossils.net/newjerseyobject.html

Thanks for poting them, but unless you only took 269x202 pictures, these are
just small thumbnail images.  Do you have full sized ones?  And do you have
an
opinion on meteorite or not?
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Re: [meteorite-list] Anyone else sick of the New Jersey object?

[Dave Freeman mjwy]

Might be in another world, a GREAT PLACE FOR IMCA TO GO OFFER ASSISTANCE 
WITH CLASSIFICATION.
Since I am no longer an IMCA member, I wouldn't even suggest it to the 
others.
Dave F.

Michael Farmer wrote:

>I don't know about the rest of the list, but I am sick
>of hearing about this "meteorite". It has not been
>cut, not been anylized, and not been confirmed, yet
>the whole world is calling it a meteorite. To me this
>thing stinks. Something is fishy about the whole
>story.
>What amazes me is that when a real meteorite falls,
>like MOSS in in Norway, a little chatter occurs, then
>silence. But now that some probable fake meteorite
>hits a house, it keeps going for weeks on end. 
>Until this supposed meteorite is cut, and classified,
>can we please drop it?
>Michael Farmer
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[meteorite-list] Anyone else sick of the New Jersey object?

[Michael Farmer]

I don't know about the rest of the list, but I am sick
of hearing about this "meteorite". It has not been
cut, not been anylized, and not been confirmed, yet
the whole world is calling it a meteorite. To me this
thing stinks. Something is fishy about the whole
story.
What amazes me is that when a real meteorite falls,
like MOSS in in Norway, a little chatter occurs, then
silence. But now that some probable fake meteorite
hits a house, it keeps going for weeks on end. 
Until this supposed meteorite is cut, and classified,
can we please drop it?
Michael Farmer
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Re: [meteorite-list] The New Jersey Object

[Darren Garrison]

On Thu, 01 Feb 2007 10:10:51 -0500, you wrote:

>Here's another observation pertaining to the unusual surface marks of this 
>unidentified fallen? object.
>I'm seeing sets of parallel lines that appear to have been gouged into this 
>thing. They are inset horizontally and vertically, Perpendicular to each 
>other. Could this have happened while crashing through the roof, ceiling, 
>floor,tile, sheetrock, etc ..., or perhaps up in space? I'm trying to 
>imagine how a freshly falling iron meteorite could have managed to obtain 
>these ="=  damage signatures.
>

This makes me think of a thread on the list a year or two back discussing some
Sikhote-Alin individuals with parallel grooves in the surface.  Anyone remember
that subject/those meteorites?  
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Re: [meteorite-list] The New Jersey Object

[Darren Garrison]

On Thu, 1 Feb 2007 23:45:58 +1100, you wrote:

>Hey Darren,
>
>The pics are larger but just shrunk to fit on the page. You can either save
>the image and view it normally on your computer as you might any other pic
>or even drag the image to the URL address bar which will enlarge it.

Okay, that's weird.  Why can't IE expand them when you hover over them, like
with most browser resized images?
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Re: [meteorite-list] The New Jersey Object

[Gary K. Foote]

Mike,

I observed the same thing and was struck by the way this chunk of metal looks 
more like 
it passed through some kind of grinder or other machinery.  That kind of damage 
just 
doesn't seem consistent with falling iron.  It looks more like slag that got 
caught up in 
some machinery than a meteoreite to me.

'Course I'm no expert, so my comments are worth just that - comments.  I'll be 
interested 
to read the results when/if this object is finally tested properly.  

I feel strongly that displaying it as it is now, with all kinds of info about 
meteorites 
is very misleading and if any $$$ are being made it could come back on those 
involved as 
fraud.

Gary
http://www.meteorite-dealers.com

On 1 Feb 2007 at 10:10, Mike Reynolds wrote:

> Here's another observation pertaining to the unusual surface marks of this 
> unidentified fallen? object.
> I'm seeing sets of parallel lines that appear to have been gouged into this 
> thing. They are inset horizontally and vertically, Perpendicular to each 
> other. Could this have happened while crashing through the roof, ceiling, 
> floor,tile, sheetrock, etc ..., or perhaps up in space? I'm trying to 
> imagine how a freshly falling iron meteorite could have managed to obtain 
> these ="=  damage signatures.
> 
> Mike



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[meteorite-list] The New Jersey Object

[Mike Reynolds]

Here's another observation pertaining to the unusual surface marks of this 
unidentified fallen? object.
I'm seeing sets of parallel lines that appear to have been gouged into this 
thing. They are inset horizontally and vertically, Perpendicular to each 
other. Could this have happened while crashing through the roof, ceiling, 
floor,tile, sheetrock, etc ..., or perhaps up in space? I'm trying to 
imagine how a freshly falling iron meteorite could have managed to obtain 
these ="=  damage signatures.

Mike


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[meteorite-list] test -delete

[gian paolo gallo gallo]

testing ony
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Re: [meteorite-list] The New Jersey Object

[Jeff Kuyken]

Hey Darren,

The pics are larger but just shrunk to fit on the page. You can either save
the image and view it normally on your computer as you might any other pic
or even drag the image to the URL address bar which will enlarge it.

Cheers,

Jeff

P.S. I remain unconvinced at this stage until someone "meteoritically
qualified" says different! ;-)


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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The New Jersey Object


On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 23:27:34 + (GMT), you wrote:

>For anybody intersted in seeing the pictures that I took of the NJO, I
created a short webpage  of the images.
>They are raw from the camera, so they might take a little time to load.
Thanks, Derek.
>
>www.njfossils.net/newjerseyobject.html

Thanks for poting them, but unless you only took 269x202 pictures, these are
just small thumbnail images.  Do you have full sized ones?  And do you have
an
opinion on meteorite or not?
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Re: [meteorite-list] Is this a FAKE pallasite, why?

[ken newton]

My thanks to you and Jeff Kuyken who kindly informed me of this.
"Minsk (In NHM Cat)" is one of 8 synonyms listed for Brahin,
"the only approved meteorite from Gomel', Belarus"
http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?code=5130
Best,
Ken Newton


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> I thought Barhin was found in Belarus, Russia?
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Re: [meteorite-list] Etching Iron Meteorites

[Drake]

You must have misread my post. I did not say high carbon steels had
Widmanstatten structures. To the contrary, the alloys I listed do not
have any carbon at all. The only steel I listed was HSLA and I mentioned
that it is difficult to get Widmanstatten patterns in them. 

Pearlite is not the same as Widmanstatten, nor is martensite or bainite.
Pearlite is a structure made of iron and iron carbide and only found in
heat treated steels with carbon contents over 0.20% by weight.

To confirm this, all you need to do is ask a professional metallurgist,
but then that’s what I am. 

Drake

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> To: Gerald Flaherty; Sterling K. Webb; Drake; meteorite-
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> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Etching Iron Meteorites
> 
> Dear Jerry, Why do you say "WOW!"? just WOW?  I enjoy
> a good discussion like everyone else so imagine my
> disappointment in opening posts that just say Wow or
> Cool or Gosh... It is better to interact like this is
> a message board and not a chat room, in my opinion. If
> we all do so it will knock my mailbox down to under
> 200 messages a day. Thank you. Now to the discussion
> at hand.
> 
> So while some were moved to awe at this alleged
> revelation, the fact remains to be proven that the
> pearlite/ferrite/cementite patterns in high carbon
> steel are correctly identified as Widmanstatten
> patterns proper. They are micro structures and not
> visible ASAIK to the naked eye. Plus they are
> artifacts of human industry. We have yet to have Drake
> confirm that these are other occurrences of
> Widmanstatten patterns found in other than meteorites.
> 
> Elton
> 
> --- Gerald Flaherty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > WOW!
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[meteorite-list] A first timers view of Tucson so far

[Pat Brown]

Hi to all the List Members, 

Perhaps I can share a bit of my first Tucson
experience with those not at the show this year

This is my first time to the Tucson show. This is also
my first time to any meteorite show of any size. The
experience has been almost overwhelming (to my bank
roll at least) There is much said about the lack of
NWA material, but my own experience is that there is
still a reasonable supply to be had. I have paid
between $70USD per kilo to $277USD per kilo for nice
fully crusted stones. I have purchased some larger
stones with nice fresh crust at the high end of that
range. I did find some supprisingly (sp?) nice smaller
stones at the low to midpoint end of that range. 

There are many of the well known, big name dealers
here mind blowing stuff like the Park Forest stone in
ET's room and the 'dug up live on TV Brennams' in Jeff
and Anne Black's room. There is a lot of Lunar and SNC
material to be had if you have a water cooled credit
card. And you don't even want to look to close at the
mineral specimins for fear of starting another
under-funded expensive hobby..

There are Gao's at 0.5 to $1 per gram and some fully
oriented ones for a little more. There are several
really big classified NWAs for a reasonable price per
gram.

There are lots of Moroccan fossil dealers with a box
of meteorites, some rattier looking than others. Some
caution is required, as I have seen several stones
that sure don't look like meteorties to my eye.

I will go to the Tucson Electric Park show tomorrow to
check out the lapidary saws and laps etc.

The degree of fellowship with other meteorite
collectors is really great. This is a most enjoyable
experience. 

With Best Regards, 
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