Re: [meteorite-list] a few other auction surprises
Hello Peter, List, Yes, all this needs a serious clearing-up. With you and me (and others ?) there are (at least) 7 examples where the max bid was higher than the hammer price (for Vernon County, there was a typo on the hammer in my post. Read $ 255 instead of $ 266). The Khohar case was resolved by Mike (another typo). For the stolen meteorites and the Achim affair, I am just not competent to intervene. What I wanted to say is that, despite all the above mentioned facts, I would also give the Langs the benefit of doubt. I know them personally for years, never had problems with them in business and I still feel they are fundamentally honest and serious in business. Oh yes, just feel and this does not mean know. My feeling is often right (not always though). In this case, feel means to me I wish it being so. It does not matter if this is a naive behavior. Benefit of doubt means to me that perhaps one should not exclude a huge mixing-up of the lots and prices or anything alike, that resulted in the final confusion we know. Lack of professionalism in running the auction, yes, maybe, but perhaps less likely an intentional cheating. And, indeed, all the hammer prices as reported by Mike should be confirmed from other sources. The theft ramains a serious problem for sure but who knows what is behind? At least I don't want to conclude nor to suppose before more facts are reported. As for me, I appreciate having winning Khohar, regret a little Marilia and Gorlovka (I love - among others - Brasilian and Russian significant meteorites) but I am not frustrated. There will always be meteorites available here and there and their chasing is at least as exciting as their acquisition. I hope all this will not spoil the friendly spirit and funny atmosphere that currently characterize the gathering of all the meteorite afficionados in major shows. Oh, by the way: we don't envisage to program any Auction in Ensisheim Best wishes to all, Zelimir A 23:44 08/02/2007 +0100, Peter Marmet a écrit : Hello Zelimir, the same here! Millbillillie went for 1100.00 USD, our maximum bid: 1300.00 USD!!! Sylacauga went for 1525.00 USD, our maximum bid: 2250.00 USD!! Tenham went for 800.00 USD, our maximum bid: 1200.00 USD!!! I made this bids for a friend of mine. We both are very frustrated! Cheers, Peter Zelimir Gabelica wrote: Hi Mike, list, Mike's reported hammer prices will probably shed more shadow than light on that famous auction. While we are at trying to clear all points, here are some of my own amazements. I have put 11 absentee bids and four of them turned to be above the hammer prices. These are: Itemhammer ($) my bid ($) 19 Gorlovka 160 (Achim) 210 35 Marilia 610 710 52 Quenggouk180 260 60 Vernon Co266 260 1) Shouldn't have I been the winner or ??? (badly missing something!) 2) For other 6 items, my bids were logically lower than hammers. This is OK (at least on my side) 3) But for the last item, here is the other surprise. Iris Lang sent me the same letter as to Peter, about item N° 29, Khohar. Here it is Dear Zelimir Gabelica, You won Lot # 29 Khohar for $495 Allan will be home within a week. Please contact him by e-mail to make arrangment for payment. You can pay by check or credit card. Please add shipping and handling cost. Best regards Iris Lang Now Mike reports that this item was sold to Achim in room for $ 495 (which is exactly my bid). If Mike is corect, something really wrong here. Who is the winner ? I dare hoping that Mike mixed the two winers but his statement seems so strong. Any thoughts? Unless I missed many rules or facts (not excluded), things are far from being clear. Are there other cases ? Best, Zelimir A 09:55 08/02/2007 -0800, Michael Farmer a écrit : Mike and everyone else, I do not want to be in the middle of this. I am running a business at the show. I did Al and Achim a favor (I thought) by reporting stolen pieces. I did not know the firestorm that would follow. I have had at least 50 requests for prices from 50 people, I don't have time to deal with these emails, so by taking the last 30 minutes to posts the hammer prices should release me from any more emails to me. Others in the room can compare prices they wrote down. the rest is between the interested parties and the Langs. Michael Farmer This should end my involvement in the dispute I hope. Perhaps next year, people could just come to my room, and pay the fixed price listed, it would be less painfull! Michael Farmer --- Mike Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike Farmer, This so much really needed to be done. Thanks for stepping up to the plate, even though you may receive vocal criticism from some. I'm sure those that are
Re: [meteorite-list] [Tucson-list] Lang Auction - Chain of Events
Shoot me down if you want, but do we really need to have all these nasty auction related postings on this list? It's really not showing anyone in a good light, fair enough people want to defend themselves etc but do we actually need a witch hunt in public over something like this? [If] there was a potential fraud phone or any wrong doing then surely just phone up the police, - speculation and rumour will only cause more and more arguments. So (RESPECTFULLY) maybe everyone should maybe just take a deep breath and calm down a bit!? To be honest I'm quite glad I wasn't at Tucson jeez - what a bunch. M. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] list of Ensisheim repositories
Hello list, As answers from private collectors regarding their Ensisehim sample weights in collection slowed down, I have decided to quench the compilation list for now. I am ready to send my compilation list as such, corrected, updated with reports received from many of you and more clearly printed, to anyone of you, on request (off list). I will gradually continue its updating and especially try to inquire for samples held in museums, not at all an easy task. Every help in that direction from those who are living far away France and are in some contact with a local museum in your country, will be very appreciated. The recent deleting from the compilation of the 177 grams of Ensisheim sample supposedly held in Modena university but that turned to be a fake (terrestrial rock) is just an example of what can be done to move towards a more realistic official recording. Thanks Matteo. Have a pleasent day, Zelimir Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Université de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC, 3, Rue A. Werner, F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94 Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] French Meteorite Hunters Article
Dear Gary and All, I just wish to add a small correction. I did mention that this article is about our first expedition to the Algerian Sahara during the winter 2001/2002 but forgot to mention in which issue of Meteorite magazine it was published. It was actually within the Volume 10., No1, February 2004. Best wishes, Frederic Beroud http://www.meteoriteshow.com IMCA member # 2491 (http://www.imca.cc/) - Original Message - From: Gary K. Foote [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 2:41 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] French Meteorite Hunters Article With the permission of Frederic Beroud I have included his article on his first trip to Reg Acfer on a meteorite hunting trip. This article was first published in Meteorite Magazine in 2001. Thank you Frederic! http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/frenchhuntersontrack.html Gary __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] French Meteorite Hunters Article
Thank you Frederic, I have added that information tot he article's header. Best, Gary Dear Gary and All, I just wish to add a small correction. I did mention that this article is about our first expedition to the Algerian Sahara during the winter 2001/2002 but forgot to mention in which issue of Meteorite magazine it was published. It was actually within the Volume 10., No1, February 2004. Best wishes, Frederic Beroud http://www.meteoriteshow.com IMCA member # 2491 (http://www.imca.cc/) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] meteorite collection sale
My husband has about 30 meteorites ranging from 10-100 pounds. The largest has been verified by Virginia Tech. University . All meteorites were found at the same site in Pulaski County, Virginia. We would like for any interested person to come to our home to see them.We would appreciate any advice concerning this sale. Thank You. Bonnie McCoy-Appomattox, Va. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] [Tucson-list] Lang Auction - Chain of Events
No, Non, No!!! it was really great I think something went wrong at the Lang's auction - Michael Blood's was great! I stayed until the tables were cleared and only saw happy faces! I heard no complains. This is a great event and specially for me going there for the first time, I would have picked up if there was pickering going on. All the people enjoyed themselves, even the wives! ;-) So come on and find out for yourself! Its worth a trip from the GB. With best regards, Moni From: mark ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [Tucson-list] Lang Auction - Chain of Events Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 08:49:17 - Shoot me down if you want, but do we really need to have all these nasty auction related postings on this list? It's really not showing anyone in a good light, fair enough people want to defend themselves etc but do we actually need a witch hunt in public over something like this? [If] there was a potential fraud phone or any wrong doing then surely just phone up the police, - speculation and rumour will only cause more and more arguments. So (RESPECTFULLY) maybe everyone should maybe just take a deep breath and calm down a bit!? To be honest I'm quite glad I wasn't at Tucson jeez - what a bunch. M. _ Search for grocery stores. Find gratitude. Turn a simple search into something more. http://click4thecause.live.com/search/charity/default.aspx?source=hmemtagline_gratitudeFORM=WLMTAG __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Enceladus is a 'Cosmoc Graffiti Artist', Astronomers Discover
Media Relations University of Virginia Charlottesville, Virginia Contact: Fariss Samarrai, Senior News Officer (434) 924-3778 Anne Verbiscer (434) 243-8940 Feb. 8, 2007 Enceladus, A Moon of Saturn, is a Cosmic Graffiti Artist, Astronomers Discover Astronomers from the University of Virginia and other institutions have found that Enceladus, the sixth-largest moon of Saturn, is a cosmic graffiti artist, pelting the surfaces of at least 11 other moons of Saturn with ice particles sprayed from its spewing surface geysers. This ice sandblasts the other moons, creating a reflective surface that makes them among the brightest bodies in the solar system (Enceladus, itself a ball of mostly ice, is the single most reflective body in our solar system). Enceladus' art is a work-in-progress, constantly altering the surfaces of other moons orbiting within this moon's beautiful swirl of ice particles, said Anne Verbiscer, a research scientist in the astronomy department at the University of Virginia and the study's lead investigator. We've dubbed Enceladus a graffiti artist because of its ability to alter the appearance of the other moons. A paper about her and her colleagues' findings appears in the Feb. 9 issue of the journal Science. The ring of ice particles Enceladus forms around Saturn is known as the E-ring. At least 11 other moons orbit within the E-ring and are constantly subjected to high velocity collisions with Enceladus's icy wake. A series of geysers at Enceladus's south pole continually erupt, ejecting ice particles, spewing a swirling wispy trail in the moon's wake and ultimately forming a cloudy ring of ice particles. The ring is added to over and over as Enceladus repeats its orbit. The particles may persist for thousands of years, until they collide with one of the embedded moons, including Enceladus as it flows through its own emissions. We asked ourselves why those other moons in the E-ring are so bright, though they are not geologically active like Enceladus? The answer, we now know, is that the other moons are being 'sand-blasted', so to speak, by the ice particles ejected from Enceladus, Verbiscer said. These are physical characteristics not previously known. Verbiscer added that Enceladus is of great interest to astrobiologists who believe primitive microorganisms could, in theory, exist beneath the surface of that moon because of the existence of liquid water below the surface. Planetary astronomers are particularly interested in Enceladus because of its geological activity. At 314 miles in diameter, Enceladus is nearly seven times smaller than the Earth's moon. But unlike our moon, Enceladus is continually changing as its geysers spew ice and liquid water, the likely result of heat and pressure deep within. The surface of Enceladus is quite young, possibly less than 100 million years. It is the sixth largest moon of the more than thirty known moons that orbit Saturn. Because of its icy surface, Enceladus has the highest albedo, or surface reflectivity of any body in the solar system. Astronomer William Herschel discovered the moon in 1789. The satellite's surface of ice includes smooth areas of plains, ice vents, ridges and long lines of cracks at its south pole. The cracks are the source of the ice plumes released from the body that escape into its orbit, trailing and accumulating in its path, creating a highly visible cloudy ring around Saturn. Enceladus is named for a Roman and Greek mythological giant who was considered responsible for volcanic fires on Mt. Etna in Sicily. That analogy certainly holds true with the realization that Enceladus is geologically active and spraying ice particles out of its south pole, Verbiscer said. But we've extended the gigantic influence that it has, because of its ability to alter the appearance of its neighboring moons. Verbiscer's co-investigators are Richard French of Wellesley College, Mark Showalter of the SETI Institute and Paul Helfenstein of Cornell University. Audio: Anne Verbiscer discusses findings on the cosmic graffiti artist, http://www.virginia.edu/uvapodcast/newspopup.php?submit=trueid=367 IMAGE CAPTION: [http://www.virginia.edu/uvatoday/photoPopup.php?seq=1id=1461] Wispy fingers of bright, icy material reach tens of thousands of kilometers outward from Saturn's moon Enceladus into the E-ring, while the moon's active south polar jets continue to fire away. Photo courtesy NASA/JPL/Space Science Institute __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: February 7-9, 2007
MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES February 7-9, 2007 o Dunes Swirls (Released 07 February 2007) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20070207a o Tiu Vallis (Released 08 February 2007) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20070208a o Yardangs (Released 09 February 2007) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20070209a All of the THEMIS images are archived here: http://themis.asu.edu/latest.html NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University, Tempe, in co.oration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Phobos Could Be A Key Test for Mars Sample Return
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6324923.stm Martian moon 'could be key test' By Jonathan Amos BBC News February 9, 2007 Mars' moon Phobos could be the target for a technology trial that would seek to return rock samples to Earth. A UK team is developing a concept mission that aims to land a spacecraft on the potato-shaped object and grab material off its surface. These small rock fragments would then be despatched to Earth in a capsule. It is being seen as a technological demonstrator for an eventual Mars sample return, said Dr Andrew Ball from the Open University. Those aspects of the mission that worked well could be incorporated into a full-scale assault on the Red Planet. Both Europe and the US have made the objective of bringing back Martian rocks to Earth laboratories a top priority for their space programmes. A joint venture is likely to occur within the next 15-20 years. But getting on and off a large planet will be extremely difficult, and the British satellite manufacturer Astrium is proposing to test the required technologies on the low-gravity target of Phobos first. It would be a three-year mission. We're looking at a 2016 launch, said Marie-Claire Perkinson, a principal mission systems engineer at the Stevenage company. Many links Even so, the Phobos concept has a number of challenging steps, all of them capable of killing the mission if a single element goes wrong. It is envisaged that a mothership, powered by an ion engine, would fly into orbit around Mars where it would release a lander craft down on to the surface of the moon. It's challenging because it requires a lot of new technology development Marie-Claire Perkinson, Astrium This robot vehicle might do some in-situ experiments but its main task would be to core, drill, or scoop up surface soil into a sealed vessel. Then, it would lift off from Phobos using chemical thrusters to attempt to dock with, or be captured by, the passing mothership. If that succeeds, the sample vessel would be transferred across and packaged inside an additional bio-secure sealed-container ready for the trip home. Close to Earth, this capsule would be jettisoned into the atmosphere to make a hard landing; it would need no parachute assistance. It's really the sample transfer chain which is the critical issue - right from landing on Phobos and taking the sample, and then passing it through the various vehicles to return to Earth, explained Ms Perkinson. It's challenging because it requires a lot of new technology development, and it's reliant on a lot of mechanisms, which is something we usually try to avoid. -- HOW THE PHOBOS SAMPLE RETURN MISSION MIGHT LOOK Mission architecture (BBC) (1) The spacecraft could leave in 2016 when Earth and Mars are in a favourable alignment, reducing the mission length to three years (2) Cruise phase would use a solar-electric engine. This relies on solar power to accelerate xenon ions to produce forward thrust (3) The mothership would go into orbit around Mars; the lander would be ejected to make its own way down to the surface of Phobos (4) The lander could do some in-situ experiments, but its primary objective would be to package away surface material (5) After lift-off, the lander would dock with, or be captured by, the mothership - a key test for Mars sample return technology (6) The Phobos samples will be transferred to a sealed and bio-secure re-entry capsule for the journey home: (7) After ejection and Earth re-entry, the capsule would crash-land; no parachute would be used to slow its fall -- The concept is being considered by the European Space Agency (Esa) under its Aurora programme for Solar System exploration. Already approved and in development is a robot rover that will trundle across the surface of the Red Planet to look for signs of past or present life; and Astrium is working on the vehicle's chassis. A precursor Mars-sample-return mission could get the go-ahead from Esa in the next couple of years. French industry is interested in leading this project and is preparing its own, competing concept. Whoever is chosen may well have to watch the Russians give it a go first. They are currently working on a project known as Phobos-Grunt, which could fly as early as 2009. But leading out of the box is not a guarantee of success. Getting down on to a small low-gravity body has its own difficulties. The wrong approach could crush landing legs or even result in the vehicle bouncing straight back off into space. Such problems were amply demonstrated by the recent Japanese attempts to grab samples off the surface of an asteroid. It is still not clear whether the Hayabusa spacecraft managed to capture any material and the probe's return to Earth is still haunted by uncertainty. Moon 'death' For Dr Ball, a consultant on the Astrium proposal, Phobos
Re: [meteorite-list] Auction update
1) I am pleased to announce that Moni Waiblinger-Seabridge will be checking people out early at my auction starting 2008. Those of you who are privileged to know Moni know she is a person of high character. She will also assist at the end to make final payments go twice as fast. 2) I have heard from numerous collectors regarding posting auction prices. However, I have never questioned whether collectors were interested in seeing price results. on the other hand, I have heard from only 3 dealers on the matter. If I do not hear from at least 10 dealers one way or the other, my policywill remain unchanged for the following reasons: A) I have, in the past, heard from dealers at the show that they felt the auction prices were being irrationally used by collectors as a reason not to buy from them. B) Most buyers are dealers who wish to resell the items purchased. What they paid is their own business However, Tucson is becoming more of the Wholesale show it used to be, in spite of clearly rising prices for nearly every category of meteorite and my auction has become nearly exclusively a wholesale auction. Therefore, I am open to hearing from dealers their attitude about posted sale prices. So, bring it on, boys. I need input to make a well considered decision. Best wishes to all, and thanks again to Moni (I was only teasing Jim Strope yesterday, for those of you who didn't get it). Michael __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Auction update: Moni
I am pleased to announce that Moni Waiblinger-Seabridge will be checking people out early at my auction starting 2008. Those of you who are privileged to know Moni know she is a person of high character. Moni is such a worthy, reliable, enthusiastic, and competent person! Cheers and kudos from her mother country! Sincere congratulations Moni and Michael! Bernd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Nininger Speaks on Bondoc Meteorite, 1962 NPA
Paper: Arizona Daily Sun City: Flagstaff, Arizona Date: Thursday, August 9, 1962 Page: 3 (of 16) Tells of Luzon Find Meteorite Expert Nininger Speaks at Flagstaff Rotary Dr. H. H. Nininger, world-famous authority on meteorites, told Rotarians this week that a huge meteorite, recovered from the jungles of Luzon, R.I., is enroute here from Long Beach and will be on display at Sedona for several weeks. It will then be taken to the University of Arizona, Tucson, to be placed in the permanent display there. Nininger said that a trip to the Philippines he was given a small piece of the meteorite by the department of mines. He made a trip to the site but failed in efforts to remove the main mass of the huge chunk of nickel and iron. The meteorite has since been excavated and shipped to the U.S. It weighs several tons. The study of meteorites is no longer an amateur affair, he said. There are now many highly trained scientists devoting their time to this study. Much important information has been developed relating to outer space. Nininger was presented by Jack Wetmore, program chairman. We will never get to the end of the learning in any science, he said. We only become aware of new conditions and new facts which have entered our scope since our last investigations. The continued study of meteorites will undoubtedly lead to even wider knowledge of outer space, he concluded. (end) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] 1st Nininger-ASU Grant, C. Moore, 1961 NPA
Paper: Arizona Daily Sun City: Flagstaff, Arizona Date: Saturday, October 28, 1961 Page: 2 (of 10) Dr. Nininger Seeks Research Sedona Man Presents ASU $1,000 Meteorite Grant TEMPE (Special) - Dr. H. H. Nininger of Sedona has award a $1,000 grant to Arizona State University to stimulate meteoritic research. Dr. Nininger, one of the world's foremost authorities on meteorites, presented the $1,000 in the form of one or more awards to students submitting the best papers describing their original meteorite research. The papers must be submitted to Dr. Carleton Moore, director of the Nininger collection at ASU, according to President G. Homer Durham. The Nininger meteorite collection at ASU, one of the largest in the world, contains 1,220 catalogued specimens, in addition to several thousand small particles, from 684 if the 1,600 meteoritic falls known to world scientists. The university purchased the collection with the assistance of a private donor, the National Science Foundation - which provided a grant of $240,000 - and the ASU Foundation. A national meteorite symposium was held at ASU March 10 in connection with the inauguration of Dr. Durham of the university. (end) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Carleton Moore, Collectors Helped by....1985 NPA
Paper: The Frederick Post City: Frederick, Maryland Date: Monday, September 9, 1985 Page: C-9 Collectors of meteorites helped by farmers, animals, children TEMPE, Ariz. (AP) Thank heaven for cows, farmers and children, says Arizona State University geochemist Carleton Moore. Without animals and people, Tempe would not be home to the world's third-largest collection of meteorites, according to Moore, who directs the ASU Center for Meteorite Studies. Case in point: In the 1840s, a meteorite now No. 202sb in an ASU file fell in New Concord, Ohio. It hit and killed a cow. The incident drew attention to a rock that otherwise might have been part of 10,000 unnoticed tons of meteorite material which fell on the Earth that day. A farmer, probably upset over his dead cow, turned the rock in to local scientists, who in turn have passed it on to ASU, Moore says. We get a lot of our meteorites this way, Moore says. Usually, some professor will go out to some farmer's home and ask him i£ he has any interesting rocks. The farmer usually will say, 'Nope,' and the professor will ask, 'Well, what's that thing over there holding the trashcan lid down?' Drawing his thumbs up to his chest to hold imaginary suspenders, Moore completes the tale: The farmer usually comes back with, 'Well, don't know. Dug it up plowing a while back. Sometimes it's a meteorite, Moore says. Finding meteorites is a human aspect, by Moore's accounts. In 1969, the same year ASU researchers were analyzing 200 moon rocks brought back by Apollo 9, impoverished youngsters in northern Mexico found a way to make a year's wages in a day scouring the desert for unusual rocks. What they found was one of the oldest meteorites known, containing ash thought to have come from the theoretical Big Bang, which supposedly set formation of the universe in motion. ASU paid the children about $500 for the find, enough to feed their entire family for a year. The university continues to pay for some meteorites researchers consider valuable. . Other meteorites in Moore's cluttered collection are in the shape of anvils, knives and crow bars some fashioned by ancient Indians, others fashioned by poor people in South America, eager to make use of a metal they would not be able to buy. Today, ASU houses 1,300 meteorites worth between $4 million and $5 million, Moore says. Many meteorites are kept in unmarked rooms. They are snipped worldwide to researchers hoping to learn more about the universe. Inside, their chemical composition hasn't changed in millions of years, giving scientists clues to the origin of the universe and planets. Rocks from Mars share a chemical composition similar to ancient Earth. Other meteorites have carried amino acids from outer space, giving some scientists reason to believe the basis for life was spawned in outer space. (end) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Littlerock Meteorite, Wasson, 1980 NPA
Paper: Temple City Times City: Temple City, California Date: Thursday, January 17, 1980 Page: A2 (2 of 24) Museum is home for 42-pound meteorite The second meteorite ever to be found in Los Angeles County has gone on display in the foyer of the Natural History Museum in Exposition Park. Found near Palmdale in April of this year, the blackened 42-pound mass has been identified, as a stony meteorite. According to Dr. John Wasson of UCLA, the black crust appears quite fresh indicating that this meteorite probably landed within the last 100 years. This new treasure from outer space is known as the Little Rock Meteorite. The museum is located in Exposition Park and is open from 10 to 5 every day except Mondays, Christmas and New Year's Day. (end) Speaking of Los Angeles County meteoritesthe coolest thing I picked up in Tucson, via a trade with Robert Verish, a piece of Los Angeles big enough to actually see the matrix. Verish just got a new printer so it came with a neat certificate. http://www.meteoritearticles.com/collosangeles.html (PDF's of all articles posted available upon request as usual.) Clear Skies, Mark Bostick www.meteoritearticles.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] looking for hidden valley and arrabury micromount
Listoids I am looking for a micromount of Hidden Valley and Arrabury to purchase Please contact me off-list if you are able to assist Cheers __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION REALIZATIONS
I hope I dont put myself in the middle of recent spats with this email but here goes anyway so I hope that I dont offend anybody here (But no apologies if I do). I am a dealer (Not much of a collector anymore - almost anything I own is for sale at the right price). I have been attending auctions of various sort (Coin, stamp, artifact, liquadation, ect) since I was 14 and so am very familiar with auctions so I am giving the opinion of a dealer who has attended or bid on many hundreds of auctions. Everybody knows that I sell lots of stuff other than meteorites. Just looking at my ebay auctions shows that. While I think that I do a good job of taking care of my customers it is all business to me. And my opinion is that the price realizations should be made public. (1)For one the meteorite auctions are an anomoly in that they dont get the price realized being publicly distributed. There might be laws concerning this also depending on where the auction is being administered. But most places freely give their prices realizes (Well, they might charge a small fee in a lot of cases - many auctions offer subscriptions which are similar priced as a magazine subscription) (2)You lose potentially valuable marketing. If you read coin and stamp newspapers they will cover the auctions and they highlight top lots. No newspaper will cover your auction if they cant list some realization highlights. They need to make their articles exciting. It wouldent look nice if the auctioneer said I dont want people to know what everybody paid). (3)Bloods auctions has become an important part of meteorite world. His first couple were growing pains with people sticking anything in as he was worried that the bidders would be happy and return next year but it has now evolved into an important auction with significant items being auctioned and an important part of the meteorite world (And meteorite history). I know people with collections (Whole libraries really) of old stamp and coin auctions and realizations going back decades. Its part of his reference material (And on exceptional material gives a possible chain of ownership - which might help find stolen items for example). There are not many meteorite auctions and in almost any type of collectible, auctions give an idea of what the market has been like over a peroid of time. This cannot be done without the prices realized. It is a general guide but also a source of newsworthy material. (4)Potential revenue loss. Large auction houses from christies to small mom and pop places often sell supscriptions that includes price realized. This probably will never apply to bloods auction but something in general (Especially for people who cant go to tucson) might be interested in a printed catalog. (5)Legalities and rip offs (No comparison to recent list postings intended). I have personally been ripped off in auctions before by auctioneers just selling me stuff at my top bid when it was supposed to be one increment over the high bidder. I would never have known without prices realized. I think bidders would have more confidence in the integrity of an auction with prices realized. Since blood dont own anything in his auction he dont have much incentive to scam bidders but as an auctioneer he is a part of the auctioneering community and knowledgable potential bidders are always on the lookout for scams. Switzerland has a law that it is illegal to do anything that might might in any way keep from maximun prices being attained in an auction. As a result switzerland is a major place for serious art and other type of auctions. Its well regulated and bidders trust the auctions that are there (As a funny example the philippine government has kilos and kilos of jewelry worth many millions of dollars from a former first lady that they want to auction off and they want a rule in place that she cant bid in an auction - but christies told them that this is illegal if they want the auction in switzerland as it might prevent getting the highest possible price). (6)Finally, the reason everybody is against showing price realizations. That it will drive prices down. Not sure why people have this attitude. Poor knowledge of auctions I guess. Auctions certainly dont drive down the price of picassos or other rare items. I always hear people telling me that they got the deal of a lifetime at some stamp or coin auction. They dont feel that the price has crashed and use it as a bargaining ply for other purchases. More of a bragging thing than anybody else. For example, assume a 10 gram piece of zagami fell through the cracks and somehow went in the tucson auction for $500. I doubt to many dealers would then seriously entertain $50 offers even though there is a recent record at that price. You only have to look at ebay for all the proof you need that auctions dont drive or reflect the market. I regularly get $2 for items then the next week get $25. On many occasions I list stuff 4 or 5 times at $5 or $10 and get sick
Re: [meteorite-list] Legal?? Lang AUCTION RESULTS
on 2/8/07 9:10 AM, Greg Hupe at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dirk brings up a very good question, since the Lang's held a live public auction, are they licensed? A couple people have stated in the last 12 hours that there was some confusion during the Lang auction, which makes sense if one were to hold a public auction without proper and ethical training. --- The state of AZ, like most states, does not require an Auctioneer's license. Proper training, on the other hand, is invaluable. I went to the Missouri Auction School (the most highly recognized Auction School in the US) where I was exposed to 5 days and nights of training followed by both oral and written exams the passing of which were required to be issued certification by the school. It was a very intensive and demanding experience. So, I have my training and Darryl Pitt hires a professional auctioneer and a panel of clerks. I would like to point out that even though I am mightily concerned about the difference in the sale price reported on the Sylacauga I purchased vs what I paid ($3,200 - which I considered an absolute steal, even at that price) that does not mean I consider Al Lang to have engaged in purposeful fraud, even if the reported sale price of $1,525- proves to be accurate. There is a HUGE difference between running a silent auction and the leap to a live auction and I would like to believe Al's failure to appreciate the complications involved is the entire cause of the discrepancies reported. BTW, not only is the posting of sales prices NOT required, some types of auctions are conducted in secret. The most interesting example (to me) is the Tobacco Auctions - some of you might be old enough to remember a TV cigarette add that concluded with an auction cant (with no distinguishable numbers) ending with, SOLD, American! This was in reference to The American Tobacco Company, one of only 4 or 5 tobacco companies in the US among which all the various brand name cigarettes are created and sold. Auctioneers conducting this auction (of all of the tobacco grown in the US) to these tobacco companies tend to number ONE auctioneer in the country. He teaches others, and, upon his death or retirement, one of those who have received training from him takes over until his death or retirement. I took one of my afternoon seminars with the current reigning Tobacco Auctioneer and the most fascinating aspect of the tobacco auction is that each and every number has been replaced with an English word which sounds nothing like the number, with the exception of semen being the word which represents the number seven. All the other numbers are replaced with words entirely unlike the numbers they represent. The purpose of this is to prevent ANYONE from knowing at what price a given lot of tobacco sold for, other than the auctioneer and the 4 or 5 representatives of the major tobacco companies. Best wishes, Michael __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Al Lang's auction
To All List Members, Please be advised of the following note I received from a fellow list member who attended Al's auction: -- $1525 was not the hammer price, just that highest amount bid live. There were numerous absentee bidders with higher bids. Al was going to sort those out after the auction. -- I would like to encourage all list members to immediately stop forming judgments about Al's auction and allow him time to get home and sort everything out and communicate with the people involved directly. If those involved do not then feel they were treated fairly, then they can make a big brew-ha-ha out of it. Until then, as Geoff pointed out, it make better sense to extend Al the benefit of the doubt. In keeping with this theme, assuming this new information I was given is accurate (and I have no reason to believe it isn't) readers should logically recognize that reported sales prices are NOT BEING ACCURATELY REPORTED. Best wishes, Michael __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] 17 gm Kainsaz CO3 meteorite AD
While the auction discussion keeps boiling I may kindly bring to your minds that there are still auctions with public pricing. For example the fine 17 gm fullslice of the historic 1937 CO3 fall from Tartarstan that we are currently offering. You may also want to take a look at the really amazing 175gm crusted meteorite with roll over rim that ends on Sunday. http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZwerffroenneQQhtZ-1 thanks for your interest Svend www.niger-meteorite-recon.de __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Provenance
Looking at some of the big prices for small chips of rock from the auctions makes me wonder-- how much provenance do you bidders look for before you bid on a high-dollar item? Do you look for a chain of possession stretching back to the fall (or when the piece was cut from the fall) or is a collection card from an established collection enough, even if that card is years past the fall/cutting date? I ask because I, personally, would always wonder in the back of my mind if what is supposed to be X actually was X if there were gaps in it's history, at least for meteorites not distinctive enough to be visually recognizable as being the real deal. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mars Exploration Rovers Update - February 9, 2007
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status.html SPIRIT UPDATE: It's Officially Spring on Mars - sol 1097-1103, February 09, 2007: Spring is in the thin, Martian atmosphere once again as NASA's Mars Exploration Rover Spirit scans the local terrain for dust devils expected this time of year. The rover remains healthy and has completed remote sensing studies of a soil target known as Tyrone, conducted from a distance of about 10 meters (33 feet) away. Tyrone has bright soil upturned in wheel tracks. Because Spirit is now limited to driving on five wheels, Spirit's handlers did not feel comfortable sending the rover any closer to the soft soil surrounding Tyrone. On the rover's 1,102nd Martian day, or sol, of exploration (Feb. 7, 2007), the rover turned and retraced its tracks toward the layered rock exposure known as Montalva en route to the circular plateau known as Home Plate. Engineers planned to have Spirit drive approximately 8 meters (26 feet) early on sol 1103 (Feb. 8, 2007). Planned weekend activities included remote sensing observations in addition to the long drive back to Home Plate. Estimated dust levels, known as Tau measurements, appeared to be holding steady at around 0.55. Scientists are hopeful that Martian winds will clear dust from Spirit's solar panels and boost the rover's power levels as they did at around this time last year. Sol-by-sol summary: In addition to daily observations that included using the panoramic camera to measure atmospheric opacity, using the navigation camera to scan the sky for clouds, and using the miniature thermal emission spectrometer to survey the sky and ground, Spirit completed the following activities: Sol 1097 (Feb. 2, 2007): Spirit used the miniature thermal emission spectrometer to acquire data on Tyrone and a rock target known as Korolev. Spirit placed the alpha-particle X-ray spectrometer on an exposure of white soil known as Mount Darwin and collected compositional data. Spirit also acquired images of Tyrone using the panoramic camera. Sol 1098: Spirit continued to gather miniature thermal emission spectrometer data from Tyrone and alpha-particle X-ray spectrometer data from Mount Darwin. Sol 1099: Spirit acquired microscopic images of Mount Darwin, scanned a target known as Russkaya with the miniature thermal emission spectrometer, and acquired more panoramic camera images of Tyrone. Sol 1100: Spirit studied Mount Darwin with the Moessbauer spectrometer, continued to acquire data from Tyrone using the miniature thermal emission spectrometer, and acquired panoramic camera images of a sinuous feature in the dirt called Hermite and of the distant El Dorado dune field. Sol 1101: Spirit acquired microscopic images of Punta Arenas, a pebble in one of the rover's tracks. The panoramic camera photographed Tyrone. The miniature thermal emission spectrometer scanned distant McCool Hill. Spirit also used the panoramic camera for images of Mount Darwin and Puenta Arenas. Sol 1102: Spirit acquired images of McCool Hill with the panoramic camera. Then it turned to drive back toward Home Plate and updated the rover's knowledge of its position relative to the sun. Sol 1103 (Feb. 8, 2007): Plans called for Spirit to take images of Tyrone Vista (the rover's view of the upturned soil known as Tyrone along with the surrounding terrain) and drive toward Montalva. Odometry: As of sol 1102 (Feb. 7, 2007), Spirit's total odometry was 6,926.42 meters (4.3 miles). OPPORTUNITY UPDATE: Opportunity Flips 10 Kilometers and Tests New Drive Software - sol 1077-1083, February 09, 2007: Opportunity has completed a remote sensing campaign at Cape Desire and is on the move to the next promontory, called Cabo Corrientes. Opportunity's odometer rolled past 10 kilometers (6.2 miles) during the 50.51-meter (166 feet) drive on sol 1080. By contrast, the NASA Level 1 requirements for the mission called for achieving at least 600 meters (1,969 feet) with one rover, and the mission design requirement was for 1,000 meters (3,281 feet). This is another significant milestone for Opportunity, and yet another testimony to the outstanding work done by the development and operations teams. Sol-by-sol summary: Each sol, the panoramic camera assesses atmospheric opacity (tau) at the beginning of the sol's sequence of activities and again before the afternoon Mars Odyssey pass. The miniature thermal emission spectrometer scans sky and ground during the Odyssey pass. That instrument also observes sky and ground each morning as part of the preceding sol's activity plan, just prior to Spirit beginning the current sol's sequence. In addition to these regular activities, Opportunity also completed the following: Sol 1077: Opportunity conducted panoramic camera 13-filter targeting on Cabo Anonimo. The rover then used its miniature thermal emission spectrometer to stare at: rover tracks, at scuffed soil, at the
Re: [meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION REALIZATIONS
Dear Dean; I read your post top to bottom. I really enjoyed your comentary and agree with you completely. My experience and thoughts point toward your point of why hide the figures when they would boost the next auctions attendance and prices regardless of what the former hammer prices were. thanks for a very entertaining post, Dave F. dean bessey wrote: I hope I dont put myself in the middle of recent spats with this email but here goes anyway so I hope that I dont offend anybody here (But no apologies if I do). I am a dealer (Not much of a collector anymore - almost anything I own is for sale at the right price). I have been attending auctions of various sort (Coin, stamp, artifact, liquadation, ect) since I was 14 and so am very familiar with auctions so I am giving the opinion of a dealer who has attended or bid on many hundreds of auctions. Everybody knows that I sell lots of stuff other than meteorites. Just looking at my ebay auctions shows that. While I think that I do a good job of taking care of my customers it is all business to me. And my opinion is that the price realizations should be made public. (1)For one the meteorite auctions are an anomoly in that they dont get the price realized being publicly distributed. There might be laws concerning this also depending on where the auction is being administered. But most places freely give their prices realizes (Well, they might charge a small fee in a lot of cases - many auctions offer subscriptions which are similar priced as a magazine subscription) (2)You lose potentially valuable marketing. If you read coin and stamp newspapers they will cover the auctions and they highlight top lots. No newspaper will cover your auction if they cant list some realization highlights. They need to make their articles exciting. It wouldent look nice if the auctioneer said I dont want people to know what everybody paid). (3)Bloods auctions has become an important part of meteorite world. His first couple were growing pains with people sticking anything in as he was worried that the bidders would be happy and return next year but it has now evolved into an important auction with significant items being auctioned and an important part of the meteorite world (And meteorite history). I know people with collections (Whole libraries really) of old stamp and coin auctions and realizations going back decades. Its part of his reference material (And on exceptional material gives a possible chain of ownership - which might help find stolen items for example). There are not many meteorite auctions and in almost any type of collectible, auctions give an idea of what the market has been like over a peroid of time. This cannot be done without the prices realized. It is a general guide but also a source of newsworthy material. (4)Potential revenue loss. Large auction houses from christies to small mom and pop places often sell supscriptions that includes price realized. This probably will never apply to bloods auction but something in general (Especially for people who cant go to tucson) might be interested in a printed catalog. (5)Legalities and rip offs (No comparison to recent list postings intended). I have personally been ripped off in auctions before by auctioneers just selling me stuff at my top bid when it was supposed to be one increment over the high bidder. I would never have known without prices realized. I think bidders would have more confidence in the integrity of an auction with prices realized. Since blood dont own anything in his auction he dont have much incentive to scam bidders but as an auctioneer he is a part of the auctioneering community and knowledgable potential bidders are always on the lookout for scams. Switzerland has a law that it is illegal to do anything that might might in any way keep from maximun prices being attained in an auction. As a result switzerland is a major place for serious art and other type of auctions. Its well regulated and bidders trust the auctions that are there (As a funny example the philippine government has kilos and kilos of jewelry worth many millions of dollars from a former first lady that they want to auction off and they want a rule in place that she cant bid in an auction - but christies told them that this is illegal if they want the auction in switzerland as it might prevent getting the highest possible price). (6)Finally, the reason everybody is against showing price realizations. That it will drive prices down. Not sure why people have this attitude. Poor knowledge of auctions I guess. Auctions certainly dont drive down the price of picassos or other rare items. I always hear people telling me that they got the deal of a lifetime at some stamp or coin auction. They dont feel that the price has crashed and use it as a bargaining ply for other purchases. More of a bragging thing than anybody else. For example, assume a 10 gram piece of zagami fell through the cracks and somehow went in the tucson
[meteorite-list] auction terminology
folks, i've got to briefly weigh-in here: auction terms are being bandied about incorrectly, and it would be helpful to all concerned to use the correct terminology so as to not create further confusion: the hammer price is what a consignment sells for---irrespective of whether it happens to be a live, absentee or phone bid. the hammer price is announced at the conclusion of a successful sale---that is, when a consignment exceeds the reserve. (there are no winning bids...there are successful bids and unsuccessful bids.) when the media announces that a picasso sold for $12,000,000 (or when bonhams or chait provides meteorite sales figures) the amount quoted is the sum of the hammer price and buyer's commission, in effect, what the buyer ultimately has to pay. absentee bids are typically logged in advance of a sale (auction) such that an accurate hammer price of any given lot can be announced before continuing to the next lot. having said the previousrunning a smooth, transparent auction is a very large undertaking and mistakes are made---even by the largest auction houses. all best / darryl auction On Feb 9, 2007, at 6:00 PM, Michael L Blood wrote: To All List Members, Please be advised of the following note I received from a fellow list member who attended Al's auction: -- $1525 was not the hammer price, just that highest amount bid live. There were numerous absentee bidders with higher bids. Al was going to sort those out after the auction. -- I would like to encourage all list members to immediately stop forming judgments about Al's auction and allow him time to get home and sort everything out and communicate with the people involved directly. If those involved do not then feel they were treated fairly, then they can make a big brew-ha-ha out of it. Until then, as Geoff pointed out, it make better sense to extend Al the benefit of the doubt. In keeping with this theme, assuming this new information I was given is accurate (and I have no reason to believe it isn't) readers should logically recognize that reported sales prices are NOT BEING ACCURATELY REPORTED. Best wishes, Michael __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite kills two nomads in India
A jingoist spoke. India is gaining on us. Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 09:22:51 -0500, you wrote: Wow! How accurate this news can be? Is The Hindu newspaper a serious paper or something like The Inquierer? Whenever a science-related article is googled up from an Indian newspaper, I get the feeling that all of their newspapers are like The Inquirer. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list - Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta.__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] meteorwrong stories
Hi List: I love meteorwrong stories. As the director of the planetarium in Little Rock, Arkansas - I've seen my share of wrongs. I've had approximately 10 submissions - and one I was sure was a pretty little iron. I offered to send it for testing, but the young man didn't want to - he said he was going to keep it either way because he liked it, and if it wasn't he didn't want to know. I had an older couple that called and said they had a meteorite that weighed about 20 pounds. In about 30 minutes - they arrived with a nice sized flat rock, that had been spray painted silver (complete with paint drips down the sides). Trying to be tactful - I told them it didn't have any of the usual characteristics, however, if they wanted, I would be glad to consult a local meteorite expert (Robert Woolard), as well as a geologist at the University. They insisted that they didn't have time for all that fal-de-rall - but, they would let me have it for $500, but only if I gave them cash. I declined. But, my favorite story comes out of Louisiana. Two men contacted a local planetarium and said they found a meteorite. The director asked them a few questions, and from their description it really didn't sound like a meteorite. Still the men insisted they were positive. Finally, the planetarium director had to ask - What makes you so sure it is a meteorite? Because when we stick our tongues to it - and it tingles. The planetarium director choked back the giggles and invited them to bring it in - he had to see what it was. They arrived some time later - with what appeared to be hardened poop. The director's best guess was deer or dog. The men looked a bit green around the gills when they left. The director kept the poop on his desk for years as his favorite example of a meteorwrong. Pamela Shireman, Director EpiSphere Digital Planetarium 3301 East Roosevelt Road Little Rock, Arkansas 72206 501-838-2252 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New Meteorwrong Photo Gallery, 100s of photos
Very nice page. I enjoyed reading the various descriptions. I have saved it to my favorites so I can keep referring to it. Good job! Suzi Joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, I have just updated the page with descriptions. I seperated each stone and gave a description of each, where I found it, why I think it is a meteorwrong, explanations. I hope this helps everyone, it is much easier to look at and see each one, I have also added a few more pictures, and will be doing so every few days. http://illinoismeteorites.com/meteorwrongs.htm Enjoy, Happy Hunting, Joe Kerchner illinoismeteorites.com - Original Message From: Mark Grossman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Joe [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, February 2, 2007 10:52:58 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Meteorwrong Photo Gallery, 100s of photos Yes, for a beginner, it would be useful to have captions to indicate the problems. Mark - Original Message - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Joe [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 1:21 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Meteorwrong Photo Gallery, 100s of photos yes but you have to put a name of what is it the meteorwrongs: slgas, nodules etc... Matteo --- Joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Hello list, I have been taking, editing, and uploading many many meteorite and meteorwrong photos. In doing so I have created one of the biggest meteorwrong photo collection that I have ever seen. These are all good meteorwrongs, I have tossed all of the ones that do not really resemble a meteorite. Some of these may actually be meteorites, but for now they will stay in the meteorwrong collection. I have found almost all of these in Illinois, USA. Some have been purchased on EBay, both as meteorites and meteorwrongs. I put this page togather to help people figure out what meteorites look like, and alos what meteorwrong look like, this way people will not waste thier time picking up and analyzing terrestrial stone that look like meteorites. I have also done this because I enjoy collecting meteorwrong for a couple of reasons, one is that it reminds me of all of the time I have put in hunting and soo few meteorite finds to show for it, It also helps me recognise a meteorite/meteorwrong in the field so I do not waste my time. Also I just like to see lots of photos of meteorites and meteorwrongs. I hope that all of you enjoy this gallery as much as I do. I also hope that this works as an educational tool for some people who are starting out hunting meteorites, or even experienced hunters. Here is a link to the Meteorwrong Photo Gallery: http://illinoismeteorites.com/meteorwrongs.htm Happy Hunting!!! Enjoy, Joe Kerchner illinoismeteorites.com Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on www.Answers.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30173 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Vinci i biglietti per FIFA World Cup in Germania! yahoo.it/concorso_messenger __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list - Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games.__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list - TV dinner still cooling? Check out Tonight's Picks on Yahoo! TV.__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] www.venusmeteorite.com - what are your opinions on this claim
Has anyone seen this website and if so, what are your opinions as to the validity of his claims that the meteorites found are from Venus. And how would anyone know if a meteorite came from one of the inner planets? Would cosmic ray exposure and oxygen isotope be useful. What tests would be definitive? Randall - Have a burning question? Go to Yahoo! Answers and get answers from real people who know.__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Sharing a positive
List, Just a brief note to temper recent topics. I made a deal a while back to trade for a tektite from a deep jungle location. My contact had never attempted an international shipment before, so I agreed to send my part of the trade first. Both of us were nervous whether it would make it through the mail. Finally, it did. Today I received the following: Im very happy right now because the meteorite and meteoritic glasses have been arrived this saturday. I will send the tektite and some unknown material that chapadmalal-like material. Im in hurry to send the items to you this day.. Thanks 'cause made me happy! (name) This note made me happy too, so I thought I'd pass it along. Newbies might wonder about some of the negative emotions visible on the list from time to time, but there's some heart-warming good stuff that more than makes up for it. Along that line, part of the fun of Tucson is shaking hands with people we know from the list but are meeting face to face for the first time. This is a very unique community! Thanks to all! Cheers, Norm (http://TektiteSource.com) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Sharing a positive
Right! Here my Tucson-Pic: Check-Out after the Lang Auction http://www.follow-me-now.de/assets/images/Metropolis-Aufstand.jpg (what about letting him arrive home first?). Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Norm Lehrman Gesendet: Samstag, 10. Februar 2007 05:49 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Sharing a positive List, Just a brief note to temper recent topics. I made a deal a while back to trade for a tektite from a deep jungle location. My contact had never attempted an international shipment before, so I agreed to send my part of the trade first. Both of us were nervous whether it would make it through the mail. Finally, it did. Today I received the following: Im very happy right now because the meteorite and meteoritic glasses have been arrived this saturday. I will send the tektite and some unknown material that chapadmalal-like material. Im in hurry to send the items to you this day.. Thanks 'cause made me happy! (name) This note made me happy too, so I thought I'd pass it along. Newbies might wonder about some of the negative emotions visible on the list from time to time, but there's some heart-warming good stuff that more than makes up for it. Along that line, part of the fun of Tucson is shaking hands with people we know from the list but are meeting face to face for the first time. This is a very unique community! Thanks to all! Cheers, Norm (http://TektiteSource.com) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Sharing a positive - The Hungry Mob
The Hungry Mob (what about letting him arrive home first?). Best thing I have heard so far Tim - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 11:19 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sharing a positive Right! Here my Tucson-Pic: Check-Out after the Lang Auction http://www.follow-me-now.de/assets/images/Metropolis-Aufstand.jpg (what about letting him arrive home first?). Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Norm Lehrman Gesendet: Samstag, 10. Februar 2007 05:49 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Sharing a positive List, Just a brief note to temper recent topics. I made a deal a while back to trade for a tektite from a deep jungle location. My contact had never attempted an international shipment before, so I agreed to send my part of the trade first. Both of us were nervous whether it would make it through the mail. Finally, it did. Today I received the following: Im very happy right now because the meteorite and meteoritic glasses have been arrived this saturday. I will send the tektite and some unknown material that chapadmalal-like material. Im in hurry to send the items to you this day.. Thanks 'cause made me happy! (name) This note made me happy too, so I thought I'd pass it along. Newbies might wonder about some of the negative emotions visible on the list from time to time, but there's some heart-warming good stuff that more than makes up for it. Along that line, part of the fun of Tucson is shaking hands with people we know from the list but are meeting face to face for the first time. This is a very unique community! Thanks to all! Cheers, Norm (http://TektiteSource.com) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
