[meteorite-list] AD: TONS OF UNCLASSIFIED NWA's LOADED ONTO EBAY
I took advantage of today's half price ebay listing day and listed more than 400 new ebay auctions - just over half are meteorites. Many are discounted dramatically as I am trying to raise some money and the sheer number of auctions flooding the market all at once means you might get some good deals. An excellent time to add to your NWA collection. I would also like to point out my auction #190083377354 for a classification (although you can get your meteorites classified at the same auction price by just emailing me). See my ebay user id AMUNRE http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewListedItemssince=1userid=amunreinclude=0rows=200sort=3completed=1 Sincerely DEAN www.meteoriteshop.com 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - Ebay Auctions ending tonght Plus Pallasites
Good Morning Meteorite Lovers I have auctions ending tonight, ebay ID catchafallingstar.com. Most started at 99 Cents!!!: http://members.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPageuserid=catchafallingstar.com In addition there are some killer Imilac and Seymchan slices available. 250 gram Imilac complete slice: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200079258654 104 gram Imilac complete slice: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200079581042 123 gram Seymchan complete slice: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200079575043 134 gram Seymchan etched slice: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200079576711 207 gram Seymchan endcut: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200079578238 Full recap with photos on Paul and Jim's website: http://www.meteorite.com/meteorites/ebay/catch_a_falling_star_meteorites.htm Thanks for looking Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] eBay Hassles
Mark, A company such as eBay (which I hate) has a right to make money. After all that is as you say capitalism. However it strikes at least half of my brain as strange that an auction house also has a bank. And that bank, PayPal such as Gary reported, sends him back to eBay for the resolution of his complaint, then eBay sends him back to Paypal. All the while BOTH are one and the same company, and BOTH have charged a fee for the service of dealing with his auction. (BTW: I don't think that doctors own banks, but maybe hospitals, and the services of each are quite different.) The few non meteorite items, Civil War artillery shells and such, that I have sold on eBay, then had funds deposited in PayPal it was an auction related sale. I think that the person that buys the item in an eBay auction is asked by PayPal that question when they transfer the funds. eBay INC gets funds from both ends, but does not recognize each other's hand (eBay=PayPal) in simple transaction? Since eBay is also PayPal, they should give eBay sellers a break. And more importantly, resolve a person's complaints. That is just my opinion. Steve Schoner IMCA #4470 P.S. I don't know about SKYPE. But since it is owned by eBay, I will be looking for the hitch. There always is when something appears to be free. -- Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve, Ebay also owns Skype, the largest VOIP company going. Skype at any given time has over 8 MILLION users either on the phone or on a chat conference. My company uses Skype for international communication within our company and to interact with some of the biggest telecommunication/IP providers in the industry and it is 100% FREE. In fact shortly after Ebay bought Skype they opened up by allowing VOIP calls from any computer to ANY Land phone, unlimited calling to anywhere in the US and Canada for free. Thanks to ebays purchase of Skype, you can also buy an account to allow VOIP calls from any computer, to any phone in the US and or Canada for only $29.95 a YEAR and that is a year, not a month like Vonage. The free calling started last April and went through the end of the year and I can tell you that I personally spent hours on the phone to all of my relative during that time. I also use the Yearly service and have not paid for a long distance call in almost a year. Skype is also integrated into Ebay now and bidders can actually use it to contact you if they have questions. We have used it for a few expensive auctions and it was great. We had alot of calls and I think did better on those auctions because of skype but have no real hard evidence, just experience. Paypal may have its flaws and if used with reckless abandon it can be troublesome, follow the rules and do not keep too much money in paypals possession and you are fine. I have used paypal since it began and I personally have had absolutely no problems and have had to deal with some disputes via paypal, not all went my way but all were handled fairly. Paypal is not the end all but it is still safer and cheaper than accepting credit cards any other way. So not everything ebay is about or does is part of the axis of evil. Everything comes at a price, sometimes monetary sometimes in intangibles. Gary's situation is not unique. And ebay does not take sides, they do provide ways of dealing with bidders such as Gary's. Seven days after the auction he can file a dispute for non-payment. If the bidder replies to the dispute, good or bad at that point the seller can void the sale and instantly get all the fees back. Or the seller can wait to hear from a bidder and then decide. Ebay allows sellers to receive the bidders contact info as soon as the auction ends, Gary could have called the bidder the day the auction ended. On any auction over $300.00 we call the person the next business day and ask if they have any questions, tell them about how the item will be shipped and when. A few have found it intiimidating but the rest thought it to be above average service, and guess what, ANY seller can do that and should if they think they are not going to get paid. If the info is bad, report it to ebay and if ebay finds the info bad they suspend the bidder. One has to take the time to protect themselves if they are going to sell on ebay. It would be a great world if the concept of ebay worked perfectly, but there is that part of our society that has to steal, lie and otherwise f*ck things up for everyone else. That is why when we got into selling seriously we went to a lawyer and said this is what we want to do, HOW DO WE protect OURSELVES. That is the key Steve, too many people want everyone else to look out for them, protect them, and they want to blame everything and everyone else for their lack of responsibility and lack of planning. I deal with it everyday, my company is in collections, I hear a million reasons why someone lese is at fault for the debtor not being able to pay. Gee
[meteorite-list] Allan, Iris
Dear List, Allan Lang and his lovely wife Iris are wonderful people. They are hospitable and as forthright as anyone I've ever met. They are also honest and trustworthy people. It is unfortunate that things can and often go astray in any auction or event where masses of people are under time (and money) stress, but I find it truly sad when I see fellow human beings in the meteorite community bickering, calling one another names, being downright ugly creatures- when is the human race going to mature??? __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Allan, Iris
Where are the lovely Iris and Allen going to explain why they lied to myself and Achim about his stolen and then resold for more money pieces? That is not an accusation, that is proven fact, as seen by all on this list. Michael Farmer --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear List, Allan Lang and his lovely wife Iris are wonderful people. They are hospitable and as forthright as anyone I've ever met. They are also honest and trustworthy people. It is unfortunate that things can and often go astray in any auction or event where masses of people are under time (and money) stress, but I find it truly sad when I see fellow human beings in the meteorite community bickering, calling one another names, being downright ugly creatures- when is the human race going to mature??? __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Allan, Iris
Hello Nelson, If Allen and Iris are so trustworthy and honest, why did they clearly go astray and rip off the bidders at their auction (as proven by Achim and others). When humans act like the Lang's, with a severe lack of business ethics, then this kind of topic will occur and be made public. If they did not want this kind of attention, they should not have pulled this garbage in the first place, not to mention the numerous other bad dealings they created in the past with other unsuspecting people. Typically the meteorite community (or any other community) does not want to hear about the dirty laundry. This airing of dirt is long over due! Like it or not, we are not going to ignore this and stick our heads in the sand like the Lang's, hoping it all goes away. They need to man-up and settle all current and past deals they are so good at ignoring. Best regards, Greg - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 11:59 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Allan, Iris Dear List, Allan Lang and his lovely wife Iris are wonderful people. They are hospitable and as forthright as anyone I've ever met. They are also honest and trustworthy people. It is unfortunate that things can and often go astray in any auction or event where masses of people are under time (and money) stress, but I find it truly sad when I see fellow human beings in the meteorite community bickering, calling one another names, being downright ugly creatures- when is the human race going to mature??? __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Bassikounou - a meteorite that blows your socks off
Hello Hanno, Hello List, I got my Bassikounou specimen today. Thank you very, very much, Hanno! If you ever thought you were holding an absolutely fresh meteorite in your hands, you haven't seen Bassikounou! I have an absolutely fresh piece of the Peekskill chondrite (from David New right after it fell!), I have Bensour, I have NWA 3045, I have a 258-gram individual of Hanno's super-fresh NWA 4021, but Bassikounou beats them all: - Velvety, black fusion crust - not the slightest trace of weathering - delicate shock veinlets - brecciation - shiny, silvery NiFe seems to show clustering and - preferred, parallel orientation (some kind of banding) (as if half-way toward what we see in metal-rich parts of Portales Valley) - radionuclides so fresh they are consistent with its recent fall: Oct 12 2006. - totally fresh, silvery FeNi specks are even visible within the fusion crust !!! http://www.strufe.net/special_bassi.htm Best Bassi regards, Bernd (trying to find his socks ;-) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] www.venusmeteorite.com - what are your opinions on this claim
Hi Randall: I will try to answer one of your questions. I wish I could give you details on how to get meteorites off of Mars, but this is something that I would have to talk to Jay Melosh about (if I can keep him in place long wnough). However, I can address the issue of asteroid/meteroid temperatures: The temperature of an asteroid depends on: distance from the Sun, how fast it is rotating, the nature of the surface material (rocky, dusty, high or low albedo, composition [at some level]). The closer it is to the Sun, the warmer. The dustier it is, the hotter it gets, but cools down at night. The slower it rotates, the hotter it gets at noon and the colder it gets at night. The dustier it is, the less the heat of the Sun can penetrate into the inrerior and so the cooler the inside stays. Typical main-belt asteroids can get up to about 250 K at noon at the sub-solar point, but will cool down to 125 K or so at night. Near-Earth asteroids will get warmer as they approach the Sun, but they tend to be rockier, which reduces the max temperature, but can still get warm to hot depending on how close to the Sun the asteroid gets. However, the average temperature will still be fairly low since the interior is usually well insulated and the asteroid still probably spends much of its time far from the Sun. I hope this helps. Larry On Wed, February 14, 2007 11:13 am, Randall Gregory wrote: Mr. Webb,McCafferty and others. If you don't mind, I have a few more questions. Do you know of a facility that could perform 187Os/186Os ratios testing at a reasonable price? Would element variations and ratios in the fusion crust be indicative of extraterrestrial origin. In other words, would the capture and melting of space dust into the fusion crust, thus causing elemental variances be a good indicator? Do you know of any comparative analysis of the fusion crust/matrix that could be identified as high versus low atmospheric heating? Does rapid atmospheric heating alter the fusion crust differently than terrestrial heating? Do you know if artificial ablation has been compared to natural ablation on meteorites? I tried different types of heat on a sample that I fractured and found that an artificially heated sample created a very different type of fusion crust. The artificial crust was glassy and somewhat brittle. In the vacuum of space, all meteorids would receive solar radiation in varying degrees and cooled by space itself. Could the temperature of a near-earth meteroid be projected from it's mineral characteristics? In other words, we know meteorites are cold, but the question is how cold are they before they reach the Earth's atmosphere? Thanks, Randall - Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit.__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Allan, Iris
Hi fellow list members, While I have no personal knowledge about the Achim accusation, stating that it is proven fact does remind me that Mike Farmer posted a list of final sale prices (as proven fact). In fact, I was, understandably, concerned that I had paid far more than twice the amount listed for the piece I bought as an absentee bidder. I contacted Allan about it and he provided me with the information of the person who was the second highest bidder and I contacted that person to confirm that, in fact he had placed a maximum bid just under what I was charged. So much for that half of the story. Clearly Allan Iris would have served themselves much better had they made the highest absentee bid known at the live auction, and I suspect they will not make that error again. However, it is entirely understandable - especially for a first time live auction and in no way whatsoever constituted the fraud they were accused of in this regard. That is a fact. As for the Achim incident, Achim is the only person who is appropriate to address this issue and if it is not resolved to his satisfaction he can take legal action, post his grievances, etc. The list members clearly no longer wish to hear from other than Achim continually banging this drum on the list. Of course, I could be wrong. I cannot speak for everyone on the list, only to the part of the brew-ha-ha that affected me - and that proved to be spurious. Best wishes, Michael on 2/15/07 9:08 AM, Michael Farmer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where are the lovely Iris and Allen going to explain why they lied to myself and Achim about his stolen and then resold for more money pieces? That is not an accusation, that is proven fact, as seen by all on this list. Michael Farmer --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear List, Allan Lang and his lovely wife Iris are wonderful people. They are hospitable and as forthright as anyone I've ever met. They are also honest and trustworthy people. It is unfortunate that things can and often go astray in any auction or event where masses of people are under time (and money) stress, but I find it truly sad when I see fellow human beings in the meteorite community bickering, calling one another names, being downright ugly creatures- when is the human race going to mature??? __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- The best thing to give to your enemy is forgiveness; to an opponent, tolerance; to a friend, your heart! - Benjamin Franklin -- __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD Holbrook Reminder + Others
Good Afternoon Everyone... Just a reminder, for those of you interested in obtaining one of Larry's great Holbrook fragments, bidding will close at 8pm ET.. so be sure to contact him at [EMAIL PROTECTED] to get your bids in. Photos of the fragments can be viewed at www.fallingfusion.com I also have a few spectacular (paper-thin) slices of Fukang posted on the site, so take a look and let me know if one of them interests you. Remember, like most dealer sites.. the prices arent set in stone ; ) Thank you! Ryan __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NASA Mars Orbiter Sees Effects of Ancient Underground Fluid (MRO)
NASA MARS ORBITER SEES EFFECTS OF ANCIENT UNDERGROUND FLUIDS (From Lori Stiles, University Communications, 520-626-4402) Thursday, February 15, 2007 SUMMARY: Liquid or gas flowed through cracks penetrating underground rock on ancient Mars, University of Arizona scientists on the High Resolution Imaging Experiment team report today in Science. These fluids may have produced conditions to support possible habitats for microbial life. Contact information is listed at the end of the following NASA news release. Liquid or gas flowed through cracks penetrating underground rock on ancient Mars, according to a report based on some of the first observations by NASA's Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter. These fluids may have produced conditions to support possible habitats for microbial life. These ancient patterns were revealed when the most powerful telescopic camera ever sent to Mars began examining the planet last year. The camera showed features as small as approximately 3 feet across. Mineralization took place deep underground, along faults and fractures. These mineral deposits became visible after overlying layers eroded away throughout millions of years. Chris Okubo, a geologist at The University of Arizona, Tucson, discovered the patterns in an image of exposed layers in a Martian canyon named Candor Chasma. The image was taken in September 2006 from the High Resolution Imaging Science Experiment camera aboard the orbiter. What caught my eye was the bleaching or lack of dark material along the fracture. That is a sign of mineral alteration by fluids that moved through those joints, said Okubo. ³It reminded me of something I had seen during field studies in Utah, that is light-tone zones, or 'haloes,' on either side of cracks through darker sandstone.² This result shows how orbital observations can identify features of particular interest for future exploration on the surface or in the subsurface or from sample return, said Alfred McEwen, principal investigator for the camera at The University of Arizona, Tucson. The alteration along fractures, concentrated by the underground fluids, marks locations where we can expect to find key information about chemical and perhaps biologic processes in a subsurface environment that may have been habitable, McEwen said. The haloes visible along fractures seen in the Candor Chasma image appear to be slightly raised relative to surrounding, darker rock. This is evidence that the circulating fluids hardened the lining of the fractures, as well as bleaching it. The harder material would not erode away as quickly as softer material farther from the fractures. The most likely origin for these features is that minerals that were dissolved in water came out of solution and became part of the rock material lining the fractures. Another possibility is that the circulating fluid was a gas, which may or may not have included water vapor in its composition, Okubo said. Similar haloes adjacent to fractures show up in images that the high-resolution camera took of other places on Mars after the initial Candor Chasma image. We are excited to be seeing geological features too small to have been noticed previously, Okubo said. This publication is just the first of many, many to come. The analysis is based on test observations taken even before the start of our main science phase. Since then, Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter has returned several terabits of science data, sustaining a pace greater than any other deep space mission. This flood of data will require years of study to exploit their full value, forever increasing our understanding of Mars and its history of climate change, said Richard Zurek, project scientist for the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. Okubo and McEwen report these findings in the Feb. 16 edition of the journal Science. Images showing the haloes along fractures are available on the Web at: http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/MRO/news/20070215.html and at http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/publications/Okubo_McEwen_2007 The Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the orbiter mission for NASA¹s Science Mission Directorate, Washington. Lockheed Martin Space Systems, Denver, is the prime contractor for the project and built the spacecraft. The University of Arizona operates the High Resolution Imaging Science Experiment camera. Ball Aerospace and Technologies Corp., Boulder, Colo. built the camera. -- Science Contact Information Chris H. Okubo 520-626-1458 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Alfred S. McEwen 520-621-4573 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Media Contact Information Tabatha Thompson, NASA Headquarters, Washington 202-358-3895 Guy Webster, Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena 818-354-6278 Lori Stiles, University of Arizona, Tucson 520-626-4402 Images
[meteorite-list] Langs' Auction - I Hope This Is The Last Time
Dear Michael, Mike, Greg, Charlie, Ryan and others: Please be advised that Iris Lang is seriously ill and had to be hospitalized following the auction. She is with her doctors in Florida at the moment. I spoke with her two days ago and advised her to rest and to try and not worry about all this hubbub. I consider you all friends, and anyone who knows me also knows that the Langs are close friends of mine and we've worked together for many years. That being said, I hope you will consider the following comments to be accurate and impartial. I really don't want to waste more of the List's time, but somebody has to step up and put all this nonsense to rest. I was a volunteer (non-paid) helper at the Langs' auction. The auction is a fun event and I like to help my friends. I bought the champagne. I invited my friend Lisa Marie to be the hostess. I helped describe some of the lots, and assisted with spotting bids. I was also there long before the auction started and was still there long after it closed. Here's what happened. Mike Farmer: YOU posted to the List and said those three meteorites had been stolen, not Al. I know other meteorites were stolen during the Tucson show and you were only trying to help, but Al had said they could not be accounted for. A silly and embarrassing error was made during the auction. I'll try to explain it simply and clearly: - Some absentee bids were not shouted out during the live auction. It was crowded, people were drinking, there was a lot of excitement -- including a TV cameraman filming in the room for K-OLD Tucson news -- and a very few bids just plain got missed. Only a small number of lots were affected. Embarrassing mistake but not fraud or a rip-off. - There was only one master list of final bids. The evening following the auction, Iris took that list and sent out email notifications to all the top bidders. On that list were absentee bids for some of Achim's lots that were higher than Achim's actual in-room bids. Iris just automatically contacted every highest bidder, not realizing some of those bids hadn't been shouted out at the Auction. Embarrassing mistake but not fraud or a rip-off. - When the lots were packed up and taken home by bidders, Al noticed that three were missing. They were all lots that had been won by Achim. At that point, Mike Farmer -- trying to help his colleague -- posted to the List that they'd been stolen. - Achim didn't come by to pick up his winnings UNTIL THE NEXT DAY. Nobody realized an error had been made until then. The three pieces couldn't be found but Iris had -- the day before -- already accidentally notified absentee bidders that they had won those lots. Embarrassing mistake but not fraud or a rip-off. - Later, the three lots turned up in a box in the kitchen and they are now ON THEIR WAY TO ACHIM. Allan telephoned the people who had made higher absentee bids on those lots, apologized, explained what had happened and everything is cool with everyone. People, listen up: Allan is not going to risk ruining his business relationship with Achim or other serious collectors for fifty bucks, or whatever the total discrepancy was. Now please, read the above again carefully, and hear what I'm saying. There was nothing shady going on at the auction. I know you guys are all perfect and have never made a mistake with math, but please show a little charity for those who have : ) I apologize to the 750 people on this List who were not at the auction and don't care about any of this. Al has to personally contact just one more high bidder and then everyone is happy except Mike and Greg, and Greg you weren't even at the auction, and Mike I know you have a strong sense of justice, but this whole thing has been blown WAY out of proportion. I am really busy following the Tucson show, so can we PLEASE avoid another long drawn-out discussion about every detail in this post. I am really fed up with auctions and would like to take some nice Sikhote-Alin photos for Michael Johnson's Pic of the Day. Thanks for listening. Sincerely, Geoff N. Aerolite Meteorites Tucson, AZ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rosetta Correctly Lined Up for Critical Mars Swingby
http://www.esa.int/esaCP/SEMKRCO2UXE_index_0.html Rosetta correctly lined up for critical Mars swingby European Space Agency 15 February 2007 ESA mission controllers have confirmed Rosetta is on track for a critical 250-km Mars swingby on 25 February. Engineers have started final preparations for the delicate operation, which includes an eclipse, a signal blackout, precise navigation and complex ground tracking. Rosetta is scheduled to make its closest approach to Mars at 02:57 CET on Sunday, 25 February, using the Red Planet as a gravitational brake to reduce speed and alter trajectory as part of the spacecraft's complex, 10-year, 7.1-thousand-million-kilometre journey to comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko. Last Friday's engine firing went well. On Tuesday, we confirmed the spacecraft is on nominal track for the swingby. There is currently no need for additional engine burns, so the next manoeuvre slot, planned for the weekend, has been cancelled, said Paolo Ferri, Rosetta Flight Director, speaking at ESOC, ESA's Space Operations Centre in Darmstadt, Germany. Communications blackout, eclipse as Rosetta passes behind Mars Later today, the Flight Control Team is scheduled to begin charging Rosetta's batteries for the planned 25-minute eclipse during the swingby. During the eclipse, Rosetta's solar panels will be shadowed from sunlight by Mars, and all but essential systems will be turned off or placed into low-power modes. Rosetta's original trajectory and engineering design did not include an eclipse, but unavoidable launch delays forced the trajectory to be replanned. Mission controllers working on Rosetta have spent months carefully planning and testing a low-power configuration which will allow the spacecraft to safely operate on batteries. Further, ground controllers expect to lose contact with Rosetta for a tense 15-minute occultation, or blackout, starting at 03:14 CET on 25 February, as Rosetta passes behind Mars with respect to ground stations on Earth. At closest approach, Rosetta will skim by Mars in a spectacular passage, a mere 250 km above the Red Planet. At this time, ESA's Mars Express will be some 11 042 kms away from Rosetta, while NASA's Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter will be about 7172 kms distant. ESA-NASA cooperation for deep-space tracking The intensive swing-by activities at ESOC have included a comprehensive tracking campaign to carefully plot Rosetta's position and trajectory. Ranging and Doppler measurements from DSA 1, ESA's deep-space tracking station at New Norcia, Australia, have been augmented by data from NASA's DSN deep-space network. Both networks are using Delta DOR (Delta Differential One-Way Ranging) technology to precisely locate and track the spacecraft. Delta DOR uses two widely separated ground antennas to simultaneously track a spacecraft and measure the time difference between signals arriving at the two stations. ESA first used the sophisticated technique to track Venus Express in 2006. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Loud Bang In Ohio Might Be A Sonic Boom From A Meteor
http://www.newarkadvocate.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070215/NEWS01/70215015/1002 UPDATE: Last night's 'big bang' might be a meteor By JIM SABIN The Advocate (Ohio) Fbruary 25, 2007 NEWARK - Something happened at around 9 p.m. Wednesday that a lot of people heard. But nobody seems to have any idea what it was. It was a loud bang, something loud enough to be heard all over the county, and loud enough to make small objects move in houses. Reports have rolled into The Advocate from Hanover to Heath, from Buckeye Lake to Granville. Rumors range from an earthquake to a meteor strike, a sonic boom to something ice-related. While we may never know for sure, at least one scientist believes the meteor could be the answer. Mike Hansen, director of the Ohio Seismic Network, said there's no evidence to suggest an earthquake could have caused the bang, especially not over the range specified. NBC-4 has fielded calls from Fairfield, Muskingum and Pickaway counties, and the National Weather Service heard similar tales from Cincinnati, Wilmington and Lebanon. Jeff Gill, of Granville, said he saw a meteor with a relatively long trail, with red, green and gold coloration. It was headed east to west and lasted about three seconds; after it faded, the sonic boom washed over him, he said. I saw it first. It was the most eerie, cool, scary, wonderful thing. You just see this dragon tail going across the sky, said Gill, who also writes a religion column for The Advocate. All of a sudden, everything goes boom. He said he checked his watch and thought it said 9:42 p.m., but now he can't be certain. A seismograph at the Ohio Seismic Network's office in Alum Creek picked up something that Hansen said was more than likely something noise-related, but other seismographs, including a more sensitive machine in the same building, didn't catch anything. That report was at 8:42 p.m., which is more consistent with the other reports. His description there of the colors of it are consistent with a meteorite, said Hansen, who has also studied meteorites. That would be an explanation of a sonic boom-type phenomenon. A sonic boom travels across terrain behind the aircraft - or meteorite - creating it, he said. The speed of an average meteorite, 25,000 miles per hour, would certainly allow for similar reports across the state, and if the object was at a low trajectory, it could be heard literally far and wide. The Licking County Sheriff's Office reported about 10 calls between 8:35 p.m. and 3:48 a.m. from residents hearing loud noises. Five of the calls came between 8:51 and 9:43 p.m. Hansen said he hears similar time discrepancies all the time when dealing with earthquakes, which often are also noticed as loud bangs. People are notoriously bad at reporting the times, he said. You have to look at these peoples' reports with a bit of skepticism on timing. Most reported the bang at or near 9 p.m. or a few minutes before the Ohio State basketball game was ending on TV. The type of waves that I see is not earthquake-type stuff. What bothers me is we don't see it anywhere else,' Hansen said. Right now this is mysterious to me. The National Weather Service's station in Wilmington is equally lost, especially after hearing calls from the Cincinnati area. The only common factor is that each area was affected by Tuesday's ice storm. It definitely wasn't thunder, a meteorologist there said. We're kind of stumped on that ourselves. Readers of NewarkAdvocate.com reported similar stories - a bang loud enough to shake houses, but with nothing apparently wrong afterward. We live in Indian Hills (west of Granville off Ohio 16) and the explosion at approximately 9 p.m. was so loud it shook our house! one reader wrote. We thought a sheet of ice came off of our roof onto the deck or our roof had collapsed, but after further investigation we could find nothing amiss. Not everyone agreed that it's a meteor, however. NBC4 meteorologist Jym Ganahl said every contact he's heard about the bang was writing from an area that got some layer of ice earlier this week. I'm 100 percent certain that it's ice, he said. It's only the areas that had a lot of ice. None have been from areas with just snow. Hansen did offer one idea, but not one that would explain the noise over such a large area. He described a phenomenon called a frostquake, in which water seeping into the ground and freezing can cause the earth to break up and create localized bangs. But at least one other reader thought the sound came from above. We live just outside Jacksontown. We heard them several times starting at around 8:30. We looked outside. The stars were unusually bright. Sounded like the sonic booms I used to hear all the time when I was a kid. You don't hear much about those any more, one reader wrote. An NBC 4 reporter contacted Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, which reported it wasn't running any exercises Wednesday night that could account for a sonic boom
[meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION SCENE.
Dear List; As many of you who know me already know, I quit drinking a long time ago (20 years come August) as I couldn't remember crap, or conduct business, or personal affairs when drunk, 1/4 full of beer, or plowed. MAYBE THERE MAY BE A TIME WHEN SOME INDIVIDUALS, or certain or all auctions should consider offering sober auctions to sober people. How many people at an auction, and how many have had over 2 drinks per hour? 2 drinks per hour is too much to drive a car in Wyoming-you go to jail. My point exactly. You wouldn't go to your banker drunk, you shouldn't go buy a new car drunk, why would you intend on spending serious money at an auction and have a snoot full? I personally think if you intend on bidding to leave the bottle alone, and if you are there to just watch to sit in the back and shut up. I realize the Tucson show is a big party but the money changing hands maybe should take place in a more sobering daytime environment and let the partying be for after the money/auctions are done. Just my 2 cents on all the lost and lost track of meteorite, meteorite prices, all the garbage being thrown, Just grow up a little and lay off the booze when doing business. Seems really sensible to me. Dave F. . __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Langs' Auction - I Hope This Is The Last Time
Sorry Geoff, but I beg to differ. you imply that I made up the fact that AL told myself, many people in the room, and Achim that his pieces were stolen. HE TOLD ME THAT. I never said that Al reported it to the list, indeed, I did that. I am pissed off that I was lied to, and Achim was lied to. You also left out that fact that Al went off on Achim for having the gaul to demand the pieces he won. Al did not just nicely tell Achim the pieces were stolen, he had a huge fight with Achim. I know that you are close to the Langs, but please do not try to imply that all this is one big misunderstanding. It is not, we were lied to. Trying to pretend that al and Iris are the nicest people in the world and bad'ol Farmer, Hupe, Achim, and others are ganging up on them is not correct Geoff. I suggest you ask Steve Arnold about a similar situation about 9 years ago when Steve was working hand in hand with Michael and Cathy Casper, he said the same thing to me, that they were the nicest and best people in the world, until they SCREWED him over and I believe you as well? Steve apologized to me later that I was right. Al and Iris got caught. I have a great many private emails from other buyers confirming that. Now I have other things to do than worry about something that actually did not affect me or my pocketbook, so I also will drop all this unless I am called names again like Charlie Devine and now Nelson Oaks did. I will leave the rest to those who were wronged to deal with it now. Michael Farmer --- Notkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Michael, Mike, Greg, Charlie, Ryan and others: Please be advised that Iris Lang is seriously ill and had to be hospitalized following the auction. She is with her doctors in Florida at the moment. I spoke with her two days ago and advised her to rest and to try and not worry about all this hubbub. I consider you all friends, and anyone who knows me also knows that the Langs are close friends of mine and we've worked together for many years. That being said, I hope you will consider the following comments to be accurate and impartial. I really don't want to waste more of the List's time, but somebody has to step up and put all this nonsense to rest. I was a volunteer (non-paid) helper at the Langs' auction. The auction is a fun event and I like to help my friends. I bought the champagne. I invited my friend Lisa Marie to be the hostess. I helped describe some of the lots, and assisted with spotting bids. I was also there long before the auction started and was still there long after it closed. Here's what happened. Mike Farmer: YOU posted to the List and said those three meteorites had been stolen, not Al. I know other meteorites were stolen during the Tucson show and you were only trying to help, but Al had said they could not be accounted for. A silly and embarrassing error was made during the auction. I'll try to explain it simply and clearly: - Some absentee bids were not shouted out during the live auction. It was crowded, people were drinking, there was a lot of excitement -- including a TV cameraman filming in the room for K-OLD Tucson news -- and a very few bids just plain got missed. Only a small number of lots were affected. Embarrassing mistake but not fraud or a rip-off. - There was only one master list of final bids. The evening following the auction, Iris took that list and sent out email notifications to all the top bidders. On that list were absentee bids for some of Achim's lots that were higher than Achim's actual in-room bids. Iris just automatically contacted every highest bidder, not realizing some of those bids hadn't been shouted out at the Auction. Embarrassing mistake but not fraud or a rip-off. - When the lots were packed up and taken home by bidders, Al noticed that three were missing. They were all lots that had been won by Achim. At that point, Mike Farmer -- trying to help his colleague -- posted to the List that they'd been stolen. - Achim didn't come by to pick up his winnings UNTIL THE NEXT DAY. Nobody realized an error had been made until then. The three pieces couldn't be found but Iris had -- the day before -- already accidentally notified absentee bidders that they had won those lots. Embarrassing mistake but not fraud or a rip-off. - Later, the three lots turned up in a box in the kitchen and they are now ON THEIR WAY TO ACHIM. Allan telephoned the people who had made higher absentee bids on those lots, apologized, explained what had happened and everything is cool with everyone. People, listen up: Allan is not going to risk ruining his business relationship with Achim or other serious collectors for fifty bucks, or whatever the total discrepancy was. Now please, read the above again carefully, and hear what I'm saying. There was nothing shady going on at the auction. I know you guys
Re: [meteorite-list] Langs' Auction - I Hope This Is The Last Time
Thanks again Geoff for satisfying my curiosity about the cause of the errors. Allan has called me already and offered me another piece of the meteorite that I should have won by my absentee bid of $375 which he sold to another live bidder for $325. I doubt he was trying to lose money, and can imagine that things were a bit disorganized there with the champagne and all the fun. Since I've known him and Iris for so long I told him to forget it and not worry about my lost piece. No biggie. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. David __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Interpretive Trail Set in Oregon (Willamette Meteorite)
http://www.westlinntidings.com/news/story.php?story_id=117148655011243900 Meteorite interpretive trail set for Fields Bridge Park By Cliff Newell The West Linn Tidings February 15, 2007 After blazing from outer space to land in West Linn thousands of years ago, the Willamette Meteorite still generates excitement today. Fields Bridge Park will soon house an interpretive trail, located almost exactly where the meteorite was found originally. The Ice Age Trail project costs $125,000, and a majority of that is already raised. Donors are now asked to fill in the gap of $6,000. As founder of the Lower Columbia Floods Chapter, the Ice Age Floods Institute and president of the West Linn Chamber of Commerce, Mark Buser is heading up the effort to build a trail at Fields Bridge Park that will neatly combine two things he likes: boosting the city's economy and improving people's appreciation of history. For most people, their knowledge of Oregon history only goes back to the 1840s, Buser said. Or maybe Lewis and Clark. Buser hopes to push those boundaries back a bit farther. About 18,000 years - a time when the worry wasn't about global warming but about global freezing due to the Ice Age - a time when there was water everywhere thanks to the Missoula Floods. From its fiery entrance onto earth, the meteorite settled into a version of meteor hibernation. The Willamette Meteorite is uniquely West Linn, Buser said. It was probably found first by the Clackamas Indians, and in 1902 it was found here by Ellis Hughs. Hughs thought his discovery was a great way to make a fast buck. This was followed by several lawsuits to settle who actually owned the beloved object, before finally landing in its dignified current setting at the American Museum of Natural History in New York City. Buser has a model of the Willamette Meteorite proudly on display at his office in Lake Oswego. The purpose of the Ice Age Floods Institute is to educate people about the cataclysmic Missoula Ice Age Flood, Buser said, both as a natural and heritage phenomenon. Tracing a long past Buser could have waited for current federal legislation that will create an Ice Age Flood trail in the Northwest. He said he expects the ball to start rolling in less than two years. However, his chapter decided to take things in (their) own hands and create a trail on the Tualatin River, where the iceberg would have stranded the meteor. The trail at Fields Bridge will consist of three interpretative areas, including natural walls and panels, and built off of a path. Panels, art and maps will depict this ancient story. The team for this project includes Buser as project manager; West Linn's Glendon Smith of Mainline Design, who has designed previous interpretive areas; and creative director Steve H. Ominski. They are being greatly aided by the city of West Linn, which suggested adding a life-size replica of the Willamette Meteorite - suitable for climbing on by children. Now it's something even better than the project I was planning, Buser said. A cultural, financial draw The trail will make West Linn residents and visitors richer in a cultural and historical sense. It will also make them richer in a financial sense. Buser expects the trail to be a great boon to tourism in West Linn. West Linn is ideally situated between Lake Oswego and Oregon City to benefit from spillover visitors, Buser said. It's important for West Linn to identify its 'brand' to show people why they should visit West Linn. 'This is an opportunity to draw people in with a unique story. People who are retired, highly educated, have disposable income, and desire to experience a community. Contributions to the project have come from the Clackamas County Tourism and Development Council, the Ice Age Flood Institute and the Cultural Coalition of Clackamas County (from the Oregon Cultural Trust). The city of West Linn will be paying $40,000, plus in-kind landscaping work. In five years, I would like to see all of the children in the West Linn-Wilsonville School District climbing on that rock, he said. I also anticipate people learning a piece of history that is very unique. I see a tour operated with a charter bus that will pull into a parking lot, and a high school senior will take them on the interpretive trail. Then they'll go back to dine and shop in Willamette. According to Buser, work on The Ice Age Floods Trail will begin soon, and could be the biggest thing to hit West Linn since, well, the Willamette Meteorite. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Langs' Auction - I Hope This Is The Last Time
Dear Mike: You're a good friend and a good neighbor. I've always respected your sense of justice and I sure don't want to get into an argument with you on the List. I'm not making any implications. I'm being very direct and straightforward. You have a right to voice your opinions and concerns about the auction, and I have a right to say I have a problem with the way you did it. It's uncool of you and others to be using words like fraud and rip-off when describing what were -- in my opinion as an observer -- honest mistakes and I'm calling you on it. I'm reporting what I saw and heard, before, during and after the auction. If your memory of events contradicts mine, we'll have to agree to differ. I've made my public statement and I'm sticking by it. My friendly suggestion is that you and I now let everyone else draw their own conclusions. You say Al told you those pieces were stolen. I remember him saying they were lost and could not be accounted for. I'm sure you'll agree that it's very easy for such a thing to happen in a busy showroom. I gather you yourself unfortunately had a meteorite stolen during the show. Sorry to hear that. Anyway, Al found the missing pieces a few days later and sent them on to Achim. WHAT'S THE BIG DEAL? You say Al and Iris got caught, but would it really be worth selling Achim's winnings on to somebody else for an extra $25 apiece? We're taking about pieces in the hundreds and thousands of dollars here, and no it wouldn't. Al wouldn't do something like that anyway. The meteorite field is a small place and anyone can see word of such a thing would get out. Since everyone who participated in the auction now seems to be happy -- except you -- please tell me who was wronged. I think you won a couple of pieces, and you got them for the hammer price, right? Achim got his, right? Al spoke to everyone else and made sure they were happy, so where's the problem? I cannot comment on any fight between Achim and Allan, because I wasn't there and neither were you. I did hear a very different version of the story which I'm certainly not going to repeat. I do know Achim is a highly respected professional, has always been extremely courteous to me, and that he is your friend. I appreciate that you're looking out for his interests. I'm glad his pieces were found and I gather from Allan that Achim is satisfied with the way things turned out. Achim, if that's true, perhaps you'd be kind enough to make a comment to that effect. In light of Iris' sudden and serious illness, it's even more understandable that she made some mistakes and accidentally emailed some of the wrong bidders, as she was already not feeling too well during the Tucson show. I think a little compassion and understanding for a seriously ill colleague wouldn't be out of order at this point. I have no idea why you -- of all people Mike -- would bring up the wretched M. Casper. Everyone I know who had dealings with Casper (including you and me) ended up being very sorry they'd ever met the man. Mentioning Allan and Casper in the same paragraph is evil, has absolutely nothing to do with anything we're discussing, and is really a cheap shot by you. I will state that in my career as an art director, writer, and a meteorite person I've never worked with kinder or more honest people than the Langs. I can only judge someone's character from my own personal experience, and in my experience Allan has always been an exemplary friend and professional. I really can't think of anything else to say. Respectfully, Geoff N. Aerolite Meteorites Tucson, AZ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Langs' Auction - I Hope This Is The Last Time
Again Geoff, I must completely disagree. I am not arguing, not fighting, nothing but speaking the simple truth about what I was told. Geoff, I had a discussion with Iris and Al on Monday morning, the day I came back up to the Westward Look to buy more items from al before he closed. He told me and Iris told me point blank that the items had been stolen. We had a long discussion about suggestions for next year, among them that the cases would be locked and after the auction, everyone would line up outside and one at a time be allowed in the room and Al would get the items out one at a time to prevent THEFT since the items had been stolen. We discused the theft for a time, and I told them about thefts that has occurred at the Inn suites and Days Inn. Geoff, I do not recall you being in the room at that time, but I was told in no uncertain terms that the items had been stolen and they were angry about it. I went back to the hotel the next morning when Achim came back and told me that Al had again told him the items were STOLEN, reported it to the list. NEVER were the words misplaced or lost used to myself or Achim about his items, only STOLEM. Geoff, it is easy after a week of controversy to come out and say that it was all a simple misunderstanding, but the timeline suggest that it was not. I know that Peter Marmet and the other buyer (you know who it is I assume) had been told Monday that they won the items, the same day that the items had been reported to me as stolen, and the day BEFORE they were reported to Achim as stolen. A little too much for me to believe. Now, since you were not there, perhaps you could stay out of it, and not just repeat the version you heard after the fact. That is why I jumped into this, I was used and embarrassed to report the items stolen to both help Al and Achim, only to learn that they were not stolen, only sold to other people. Again, this is pretty easy stuff, I agree, people should make their own minds on this one. Michael Farmer By the way, even friends disagree from time to time, no big deal. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Holbrook Auction - AD
Hello List, Yes, I know the rules about one 'AD' post per week, sorry, won't happen again, but I have to tell you that there are 2 pieces without bids yet! This is a no reserve auction, right now they could be had for a penny! I pay shipping. This is a great opportunity to get a chunk of the biggest Holbrook found in about 40 years, for dirt cheap. http://www.fallingfusion.com/ Thanks, Larry __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Increased Activity- Has anyone else noticed?
I signed up some time ago to the daily Google news alerts covering the keywords of: Meteorite; Meteor; Bolide; Tunguska and UFO. Just in the last couple of weeks- the daily responses have increased greatly of fireballs, booms and UFO's (most of which I relate to meteors). Does anyone else think we could we be entering a wave of increasing activity? It sure seems like something is starting to me. Everyone have a good night. Mike Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Holbrook Auction
Hello List, A sincere thanks to the bidders and congratulations to the winners! It was great fun! Larry __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] eBay Hassles
Steve, Paypal probably sent Gary to Ebay as they may not have understood the situation, either way if Gary knew about the bidders contact info sooner it may have all been resolved sooner. If it were me I certainly would have called the bidder the day his payment was late. I am not a set it and forget it seller. I scrutnize any bidder I have and often cancel bids from bidders with lots of negative feedback or bid withdrawls. But I digress. I have been here long enough to know you are an anti-ebay person and I respect your points, which are valid and figured I give the pitch a try. As for skype as I type this there are only 5,013,605 users onlin3e using skype. During the day that number almost doubles. I have not found the hitch yet in over a year of use. Anyways it was nice exchanging points with youstay safe. Mark M. Phoenix, AZ - Original Message - From: Steve Schoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 9:11 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] eBay Hassles Mark, A company such as eBay (which I hate) has a right to make money. After all that is as you say capitalism. However it strikes at least half of my brain as strange that an auction house also has a bank. And that bank, PayPal such as Gary reported, sends him back to eBay for the resolution of his complaint, then eBay sends him back to Paypal. All the while BOTH are one and the same company, and BOTH have charged a fee for the service of dealing with his auction. (BTW: I don't think that doctors own banks, but maybe hospitals, and the services of each are quite different.) The few non meteorite items, Civil War artillery shells and such, that I have sold on eBay, then had funds deposited in PayPal it was an auction related sale. I think that the person that buys the item in an eBay auction is asked by PayPal that question when they transfer the funds. eBay INC gets funds from both ends, but does not recognize each other's hand (eBay=PayPal) in simple transaction? Since eBay is also PayPal, they should give eBay sellers a break. And more importantly, resolve a person's complaints. That is just my opinion. Steve Schoner IMCA #4470 P.S. I don't know about SKYPE. But since it is owned by eBay, I will be looking for the hitch. There always is when something appears to be free. -- Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve, Ebay also owns Skype, the largest VOIP company going. Skype at any given time has over 8 MILLION users either on the phone or on a chat conference. My company uses Skype for international communication within our company and to interact with some of the biggest telecommunication/IP providers in the industry and it is 100% FREE. In fact shortly after Ebay bought Skype they opened up by allowing VOIP calls from any computer to ANY Land phone, unlimited calling to anywhere in the US and Canada for free. Thanks to ebays purchase of Skype, you can also buy an account to allow VOIP calls from any computer, to any phone in the US and or Canada for only $29.95 a YEAR and that is a year, not a month like Vonage. The free calling started last April and went through the end of the year and I can tell you that I personally spent hours on the phone to all of my relative during that time. I also use the Yearly service and have not paid for a long distance call in almost a year. Skype is also integrated into Ebay now and bidders can actually use it to contact you if they have questions. We have used it for a few expensive auctions and it was great. We had alot of calls and I think did better on those auctions because of skype but have no real hard evidence, just experience. Paypal may have its flaws and if used with reckless abandon it can be troublesome, follow the rules and do not keep too much money in paypals possession and you are fine. I have used paypal since it began and I personally have had absolutely no problems and have had to deal with some disputes via paypal, not all went my way but all were handled fairly. Paypal is not the end all but it is still safer and cheaper than accepting credit cards any other way. So not everything ebay is about or does is part of the axis of evil. Everything comes at a price, sometimes monetary sometimes in intangibles. Gary's situation is not unique. And ebay does not take sides, they do provide ways of dealing with bidders such as Gary's. Seven days after the auction he can file a dispute for non-payment. If the bidder replies to the dispute, good or bad at that point the seller can void the sale and instantly get all the fees back. Or the seller can wait to hear from a bidder and then decide. Ebay allows sellers to receive the bidders contact info as soon as the auction ends, Gary could have called the bidder the day the auction ended. On any auction over $300.00 we call the person the next business day and ask if they have any questions, tell them about how the item will be shipped
Re: [meteorite-list] Langs' Auction - I Hope This Is The Last Time
Hello Geoff, First, I consider you a friend and respect your personal opinions and feeling for your long time clients (Allan and Iris). I may not have been at the Lang's auction personally but was brought in to this discussion by people who were. Yes, I am affected, as YOU very well know, by how the Lang's perform their business practices against their partners and clients. They are willing to ruin their reputation for an extra buck, I have seen it first hand! They do not act in a fair manner and change agreements mid-stream to suit their own financial desires, thus, Ripping Off or attempting to rip-off their business partners. There are many people who have come forward privately but do not wish to go public, for several reasons. I have tried to settle with the Lang's for nearly four years, but have always been jerked around, lied to and at one point settle than have them go sideways and decide they want more, then more and always more... They are NOT the honorable and ethical professionals you and a couple others talk about (maybe you and those are lucky?). They do not honor agreements, they interfere with other's business affairs and, in my opinion, should not be trusted. They seem to think that if they ignore or sugar coat their self-made problems, they will just magically go away. Not this time! It seems the mistakes have been mounting over the years, not just during their auction. Embarrassing mistakes indeed! As I stated before, dirty or not, it is time to clean the laundry! This is not going away until the dirt is gone and the laundry is clean. Best regards, Greg - Original Message - From: Notkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 3:59 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Langs' Auction - I Hope This Is The Last Time Dear Michael, Mike, Greg, Charlie, Ryan and others: Please be advised that Iris Lang is seriously ill and had to be hospitalized following the auction. She is with her doctors in Florida at the moment. I spoke with her two days ago and advised her to rest and to try and not worry about all this hubbub. I consider you all friends, and anyone who knows me also knows that the Langs are close friends of mine and we've worked together for many years. That being said, I hope you will consider the following comments to be accurate and impartial. I really don't want to waste more of the List's time, but somebody has to step up and put all this nonsense to rest. I was a volunteer (non-paid) helper at the Langs' auction. The auction is a fun event and I like to help my friends. I bought the champagne. I invited my friend Lisa Marie to be the hostess. I helped describe some of the lots, and assisted with spotting bids. I was also there long before the auction started and was still there long after it closed. Here's what happened. Mike Farmer: YOU posted to the List and said those three meteorites had been stolen, not Al. I know other meteorites were stolen during the Tucson show and you were only trying to help, but Al had said they could not be accounted for. A silly and embarrassing error was made during the auction. I'll try to explain it simply and clearly: - Some absentee bids were not shouted out during the live auction. It was crowded, people were drinking, there was a lot of excitement -- including a TV cameraman filming in the room for K-OLD Tucson news -- and a very few bids just plain got missed. Only a small number of lots were affected. Embarrassing mistake but not fraud or a rip-off. - There was only one master list of final bids. The evening following the auction, Iris took that list and sent out email notifications to all the top bidders. On that list were absentee bids for some of Achim's lots that were higher than Achim's actual in-room bids. Iris just automatically contacted every highest bidder, not realizing some of those bids hadn't been shouted out at the Auction. Embarrassing mistake but not fraud or a rip-off. - When the lots were packed up and taken home by bidders, Al noticed that three were missing. They were all lots that had been won by Achim. At that point, Mike Farmer -- trying to help his colleague -- posted to the List that they'd been stolen. - Achim didn't come by to pick up his winnings UNTIL THE NEXT DAY. Nobody realized an error had been made until then. The three pieces couldn't be found but Iris had -- the day before -- already accidentally notified absentee bidders that they had won those lots. Embarrassing mistake but not fraud or a rip-off. - Later, the three lots turned up in a box in the kitchen and they are now ON THEIR WAY TO ACHIM. Allan telephoned the people who had made higher absentee bids on those lots, apologized, explained what had happened and everything is cool with everyone. People, listen up: Allan is not going to risk ruining his business relationship with Achim or other
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I have 10 super nice slices of Seymchan available. I am asking 50 cents per gram in the cut but un-polished and un-etched condition and 75 cents per gram for a fully etched slice. I cut these with a new process (I think) and the finish is amazing for having just come off the saw. There is very little work required to polish and etch the slices and Seymchan is very easy to etch so these would be perfect if you wanted to try etching. You can email me for additional pictures if your interested in a particular slice You can see the slices at http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p298/BobaDebt/Meteorites/Slices.jpg You can see some pictures of etched slices in my PhotoBucket at http://s131.photobucket.com/albums/p298/BobaDebt/Meteorites/ And you can visit my website athttp://home.ec.rr.com/bobadebt/50mil.htm__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] ID help, meteorwrong meteorite galleries, my collection, meteorite forum, field museum pics
Hello list, Once again I have added many photo and discriptions to me webpage. My meteorwrong page now has description fro each wrong. I have also added a new photo gallery page. In a day or so I will be addin at least a hundred new meteorites, slices, individuals, fragments, and micros. Also I am going to be adding a how toc etch section, there will be many photos and a short video, I will be using two methods, the normal one and one my wife found on her first etch by making a mistake. These should all be done by friday, but many new photos have been added in the past few days. Awsome new pieces in my collection, I have been buying irons and stony iron mostly. I have posted links to a few of the links to some pages on my website. Take a look: Homepage: http://illinoismeteorites.com/ My Collection: http://illinoismeteorites.com/collection.htm Meteorwrong gallery: http://illinoismeteorites.com/meteorwrongs.htm Field mesuem collection: http://illinoismeteorites.com/field_museum_collection_page.htm Meteorite id help: http://illinoismeteorites.com/meteorite_identification.htm Photo Gallery: http://illinoismeteorites.com/gallery_page_1.htm Meteorite Forum http://illinoismeteorites.com/yabb/YaBB.pl Thanks, I hope you all enjoy these photos, Joe Kerchner Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Hope Iris is
Hello Geoff, I had a great time at the Lang auction. The champagne was free, your lady friend is lovely, and the meteorites, many one of a kind! Iris answered all of my questions with grace, both before and after the auction. I thank you, Al, Iris and the other cheerful help that made the auction so much a wonderful part of my yearly Tucson adventure. I am sorry to hear that Iris is ill. Hope she gets well soon. Regards, Fred Hall __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] anyone interested in a holbrook expidition?
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[meteorite-list] www.venusmeteorite.com - Let the experts decide
Ken, You said not to rely on your own conclusions but let the experts decide. I am inclosing a e-mail I send 10 months ago to another forum. Please look at the bold text. It was my intention from the very start to have experts evaluate my claim. http://www.nuggetshooter.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=6757st=0gopid=70581#entry70581 Dated April 7, 2006 I have been searching for the impact site for about a year. I searched in remote and inhospitable areas. I've searched and camped out in the desert with a professor from the geology department from the National University here in Arequipa, Peru. And a short time ago, I found the impact site and a very large strewn field. I used satellite photos, eyewitness accounts, seismic data, and what really helped was the time difference between when the people saw the fireball and heard the impact. Knowing that the speed of sound in dry air travels at about 330 meters per second gave me a relative distance. I have collected quite a few samples and have had some testing at the National University here in Arequipa, Peru and some of my own testing. I'm sorry if I implied that I witnessed the fall. I only wish I had seen this incredible event, but soon, my wife and I will interview people that did witness the huge fireball that fell at 12:00 in the afternoon. My wife and I will be filming all the interviews and translating them into English. I hope to come close to experiencing this event through their descriptions. I hope this fall, the impact zone, and the meteorites collected will contribute a little more to science and our understanding of our universe. For my own curiosity, I did some crude testing on the meteorites when I first found them. The meteorites I found are composed of a very very hard black basalt type of rock with small crystalline structures. The fusion crust looks like melted shiny black plastic but is incredibly hard. A tested sample contains Nickel, Iron, and Manganese. I´ll go into more composition when further detailed scientific testing is completed, but I can say that their relative hardness exceeds 8.0. I can cut large quartz rocks all day long, but I wore out a industrial diamond coated stone cutting saw blade spining at 12,000 r.pm. trying to cut through a large fragment. A fragment will fracture when hit with a small sledge hammer. I also tried to duplicate the fusion crust by taking a chip and heating it with a oxy-acetylene torch until melting point but found that it produced a more glassy and thicker crust. I tried putting it in a blacksmith's furnace for various lengths of time without success. I seriously doubt that anyone could reproduce this type of fusion crust using any kind of heating methods. I have videos of my temperature and hardness testing. Some people I sent pictures to said my samples didn't look like known meteorites. I completely agree. I have looked at hundreds of photos of rights and wrongs. I really don't want to speculate but they are not like the meteorites I've seen on other web sites with the exception of one that I ran across recently. There is a fellow that claims to have found a meteorite from Venus.(www.venusmeteorite.com) His web site has a lot of information and I was almost convinced that this was another Spaceslag type of story. That was until I seen the first picture of the claimed basaltic meteorite. It is virtually identical to the meteorites that I am finding within the impact elipse. He found his in North America and I found mine in South America. As for the other pictures on his site I don't know if they are meteorites or not. I have seen alot of junk claims concerning meteorites. Spaceslag, Emerald Meteorite, it looks like a meteorite so it must be, etc. I am very cautious about releasing any detailed information and samples. I want my proof to be irrefutable and don't want to release any meteorites until they have been verified and cataloged. I suspect that this road may be longer and more difficult than actually finding the impact site. I'm sure that many people believe the possibility that one day, someone will find a meteorite that falls out of normal classification. I suspect many years ago that nobody believed we would find meteorites from the Moon or Mars. Concerning my meteorites, it is not for me to guess where they came from but up to professional planetary geologists to determine their origin once they have been verified. I can send you pictures of some samples I collected. What I can truthfully and positively say is that they are basaltic type (igneous) of rocks with a unreproduceable melted surface layer collected on a massive sedimentary plain with no traces of any other igneous rocks in a computed fall zone from an area where more than 300 people witnessed a massive fireball, saw a huge dust cloud form thousands of feet into the air, felt the ground shake, and heard a deafening explosion. At
[meteorite-list] www.venusmeteorite.com - Peruvian meteorite impact - additional information
The beginning of the story... Google language tools will help to translate from Spanish to English. I hope you enjoy the history of one of the largest witnessed and seismically recorded falls in recent history. http://www.geocities.com/astroycpa/meteoritoaqp2feb2004.html http://olkhov.siteburg.com/gr1997.htm#20040202 http://www.geocities.com/astroycpa/astroalertas.html http://wikimapia.org/1171712/ http://www.graphicmail.de/rwcode/default.asp?SiteID=3691Section=13234 http://www.particle.kth.se/~lindblad/Beijing.pdf http://www.frecuencialatina.com.pe/90segundos/detalle.asp?Catid=88NewsId=2981 http://www.arequipanoticias.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=456 Randall - Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited. - Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates.__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Cast of the flight oriented meteorite Villalbeto de la Pena #25
Hello List, i offer an absolutely perfect cast of the flight of oriented meteorite Villalbeto de la Pena #25. Some European museums used its chance and bought themselves such a perfect cast. And now also the chance exists to receive one of these perfect copies for collectors and collections worldwide. Only two pieces are for sale!!! http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemih=020sspagename=STRK%3AMESC%3AITviewitem=item=300082027782rd=1rd=1 Best Regards Mirko Graul - Keine Lust auf Tippen? Rufen Sie Ihre Freunde einfach an. Yahoo! Messenger. Jetzt installieren . __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] www.venusmeteorite.com - Let the experts decide
Is this legitimate? Sorry, but it reads like Boggy Creek. Why don't you just send something to Dr. R. Korotev and end the speculating. http://www.meteorites.wustl.edu/what_to_do.htm http://www.meteorites.wustl.edu/what_to_do.htm Cheers, Pete By the way, jpegs attached to a List posting ist verboten ;) From: Randall Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ken newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] www.venusmeteorite.com - Let the experts decide Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:06:48 -0800 (PST) Ken, You said not to rely on your own conclusions but let the experts decide. I am inclosing a e-mail I send 10 months ago to another forum. Please look at the bold text. It was my intention from the very start to have experts evaluate my claim. http://www.nuggetshooter.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=6757st=0gopid=70581#entry70581 Dated April 7, 2006 I have been searching for the impact site for about a year. I searched in remote and inhospitable areas. I've searched and camped out in the desert with a professor from the geology department from the National University here in Arequipa, Peru. And a short time ago, I found the impact site and a very large strewn field. I used satellite photos, eyewitness accounts, seismic data, and what really helped was the time difference between when the people saw the fireball and heard the impact. Knowing that the speed of sound in dry air travels at about 330 meters per second gave me a relative distance. I have collected quite a few samples and have had some testing at the National University here in Arequipa, Peru and some of my own testing. I'm sorry if I implied that I witnessed the fall. I only wish I had seen this incredible event, but soon, my wife and I will interview people that did witness the huge fireball that fell at 12:00 in the afternoon. My wife and I will be filming all the interviews and translating them into English. I hope to come close to experiencing this event through their descriptions. I hope this fall, the impact zone, and the meteorites collected will contribute a little more to science and our understanding of our universe. For my own curiosity, I did some crude testing on the meteorites when I first found them. The meteorites I found are composed of a very very hard black basalt type of rock with small crystalline structures. The fusion crust looks like melted shiny black plastic but is incredibly hard. A tested sample contains Nickel, Iron, and Manganese. I´ll go into more composition when further detailed scientific testing is completed, but I can say that their relative hardness exceeds 8.0. I can cut large quartz rocks all day long, but I wore out a industrial diamond coated stone cutting saw blade spining at 12,000 r.pm. trying to cut through a large fragment. A fragment will fracture when hit with a small sledge hammer. I also tried to duplicate the fusion crust by taking a chip and heating it with a oxy-acetylene torch until melting point but found that it produced a more glassy and thicker crust. I tried putting it in a blacksmith's furnace for various lengths of time without success. I seriously doubt that anyone could reproduce this type of fusion crust using any kind of heating methods. I have videos of my temperature and hardness testing. Some people I sent pictures to said my samples didn't look like known meteorites. I completely agree. I have looked at hundreds of photos of rights and wrongs. I really don't want to speculate but they are not like the meteorites I've seen on other web sites with the exception of one that I ran across recently. There is a fellow that claims to have found a meteorite from Venus.(www.venusmeteorite.com) His web site has a lot of information and I was almost convinced that this was another Spaceslag type of story. That was until I seen the first picture of the claimed basaltic meteorite. It is virtually identical to the meteorites that I am finding within the impact elipse. He found his in North America and I found mine in South America. As for the other pictures on his site I don't know if they are meteorites or not. I have seen alot of junk claims concerning meteorites. Spaceslag, Emerald Meteorite, it looks like a meteorite so it must be, etc. I am very cautious about releasing any detailed information and samples. I want my proof to be irrefutable and don't want to release any meteorites until they have been verified and cataloged. I suspect that this road may be longer and more difficult than actually finding the impact site. I'm sure that many people believe the possibility that one day, someone will find a meteorite that falls out of normal classification. I suspect many years ago that nobody believed we would find meteorites from the Moon or Mars. Concerning my meteorites, it is not for me to guess where they came from but up to professional planetary geologists
