[meteorite-list] Meso Origins...was Mesosiderite?

2007-02-18 Thread Mr EMan
Hello Gary,List

As to the question of why  mesosiderites don't contain
chondrules...

Mesosiderites are almost identical chemically. So much
so, we believe they came from a single incident; that
being the collision of two asteroids,  at least one of
them (if not both) was differentiated to the extent
of having an iron core. The iron composition is that
of the IIIAB group of iron meteorites.

Being differentiated means they had sufficient size to
accumulate heat through the decay of isotopic Al26 and
hold that temperature high enough and long enough to
melt the original chondritic material. Over time this
separated into denser iron and lighter silicates, thus
the term differentiate. This process is the origin
of asteroidal achondrites as well.

In the case of mesosiderites, current wisdom holds
this was a ballistic mixing of the silicates from one
or both asteroids into the probably molten core of the
target body. The disruption of the target body likely
stripped away the insulating layer (or induced a
centrifugal spin)which cooled too quickly to
completely rediffernetate.  

Simple photo identification is dicey for there can be
round/oval blebs of iron similar to what is found in
the bencubbenites, but the silicate content shouldn't
have any identifiable chondrites.  I have  noticed
some NWA H-Chondrites which so much iron it covers as
much as 25-30% of the cut surface, and on casual
inspection looks not unlike some mesosiderites. On the
other hand the most mesos seem to have an irregular
surface which doesn't show the typical smoothness
typical of chondrites.  I assume that Steve and I,
when we called your specimen an H, were going by the
apparent chondrules.  

Elton

 
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2007-02-18 Thread Gary K. Foote
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[meteorite-list] SIKHOTE-ALIN

2007-02-18 Thread SPACEROCKSINC
Dear list members,

After posting several  photos of list members sikhote-alin specimens I wanted 
to share this with all of  you.

http://spacerocksinc.com/SA10400.html

Sincerely,
Michael  Johnson
SPACE ROCKS, INC.
http://www.spacerocksinc.com  

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Re: [meteorite-list] SIKHOTE-ALIN

2007-02-18 Thread Gary K. Foote
Beautiful!  I love the fresh look of this SA.

Gary
http://www.meteorite-dealers.com

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 Dear list members,
 
 After posting several  photos of list members sikhote-alin specimens I wanted 
 to share this with all of  you.
 
 http://spacerocksinc.com/SA10400.html
 
 Sincerely,
 Michael  Johnson
 SPACE ROCKS, INC.
 http://www.spacerocksinc.com  
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] SIKHOTE-ALIN

2007-02-18 Thread Gerald Flaherty
Absolutely Superior. Enjoy your marvelous good shopping fortune. I'm sure 
you'll gain continued pleasure possessiing and ponderiing this georgous 
specimen now and forever as it adorns your collection.
I hope this supplements the ongoing discussion as to whether Irons enjoy a 
Fusion Crust.
Jerry Flaherty
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 Dear list members,

 After posting several  photos of list members sikhote-alin specimens I 
 wanted
 to share this with all of  you.

 http://spacerocksinc.com/SA10400.html

 Sincerely,
 Michael  Johnson
 SPACE ROCKS, INC.
 http://www.spacerocksinc.com

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Re: [meteorite-list] SIKHOTE-ALIN

2007-02-18 Thread bernd . pauli
Michael Johnson:

Dear list members, After posting several  photos of list members
Sikhote-Alin specimens I wanted to share this with all of you:

http://spacerocksinc.com/SA10400.html

Gary: Beautiful! I love the fresh look of this SA.
Jerry: Absolutely superior.
Bernd: Absolutely gorgeous.

Sincere congratulations!

Bernd - proud owner of 21 SA specimens
with a total weight of 1869.7 grams

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Re: [meteorite-list] SIKHOTE-ALIN

2007-02-18 Thread Timothy Heitz
Hello Michael,

I very cool looking piece, NICE.

Tim Heitz



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 Dear list members,

 After posting several  photos of list members sikhote-alin specimens I 
 wanted
 to share this with all of  you.

 http://spacerocksinc.com/SA10400.html

 Sincerely,
 Michael  Johnson
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 http://www.spacerocksinc.com

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[meteorite-list] Sikhote-Alin details and thumbprints

2007-02-18 Thread bernd . pauli
SA specialist and photographic artist Geoff N. wrote:

As we know, the average size of thumbprints on Sikhote-Alin
individuals increases in proportion to the size of the individual.

In other words: if you have a piece in your collection whose regmaglypt
size correlates with the specimen's size, you can be relatively sure that
you have a piece that was not spalled off a larger mass. If the thumbprints
are too large with regard to the specimen size, it fragmented from a larger
mass.

But how do you know? Well, just divide the average regmaglypt diameter
by the size (length) of your specimen. According to Buchwald, you should
get this:

The ratio between the diameter of the regmaglypts and of the fragments ranges 
from
0.05 to 0.25, with the majority giving 0.08-0.10, for specimens 5-45 cm in 
size.

Reference:

BUCHWALD V.F. (1975) Iron Meteorites (UCLA, 1975, Vol.3, pp. 1123-1130).


BUCHWALD V.F. (1975) Iron Meteorites
(Univ. of California, 1975, Vol.1 , p. 18 / Vol. 3, p. 1126):

Date of fall:   Feb 12, 1947
Time:   10.38 a.m. (local time)
Direction:  N = S (10-15° east of north)
Initial inclination:41°
The initial declination had increased to 60-70° at the time
of impact (zenith angle about 49°).
Apparent diameter of the bolide:600m (with its luminous envelope).
Length of smoke trail:  33 ± 9 km
Dust trail observed for several hours.
Brightness of bolide:   exceeded that of the sun (about - 26)
Point of complete breakup:  4 - 6 km  (Hemmungspunkt)
Initial velocity:   14.5 km/s
Geocentric velocity: 9.2 km/s
Heliocentric velocity:37  km/s
Preatmospheric mass:1000 t
Radius of light and sound phenomena:300 - 400 km
Largest fragment:   1.745 kg
Specimens collected:8.500
Total weight:23 tons
It is estimated that a total of 70 tons fell, including dust.
Impact holes:   122 (¢ 0.5 - 26 m/ 1 - 12 m)
Scatter ellipse:1.6 km^2 ( N = S = 2.1 km /E = W = 1.0 km )
A smaller ellipse of 0.75 x 0.30 km was found to exist.
Final velocities:   0.1 - 1 km/s


Best wishes,

Bernd

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Re: [meteorite-list] Sikhote-Alin details and thumbprints

2007-02-18 Thread Gary K. Foote
I had not noticed the relational size between regs and specimen sizes, but now 
that you 
point them out it seems obvious.  I wonder what else I miss that is obvious?  :)

Gary

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 As we know, the average size of thumbprints on Sikhote-Alin
 individuals increases in proportion to the size of the individual.
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[meteorite-list] AD - Martian NWA 4527 Ending Monday Morning

2007-02-18 Thread Greg Hupe
Dear List Members,

At about 10:00 AM Monday morning Florida time, I have the remaining pieces 
of NWA 4527, a new Shergottite, ending on eBay under my seller name 
NaturesVault.

Here are the direct links to these eight auctions:

NWA 4527 Martian Shergorttite (Very Low TKW):
438mg Complete Slice (Largest Available)
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416mg Complete Slice
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemih=008sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITviewitem=item=180085893543rd=1rd=1
298mg Part Slice
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemih=008sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITviewitem=item=180085893894rd=1rd=1
248mg Part Slice
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemih=008sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITviewitem=item=180085894209rd=1rd=1
92mg Part End Cut
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemih=008sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITviewitem=item=180085894587rd=1rd=1
74mg Part End Cut
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemih=008sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITviewitem=item=180085895227rd=1rd=1
34mg of Pieces
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemih=008sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITviewitem=item=180085895919rd=1rd=1
644mg of Cutting Material
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemih=008sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITviewitem=item=180085896635rd=1rd=1

Have fun looking, and if you are bidding, Good Luck!

Best regards,
Greg


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[meteorite-list] www.venusmeteorite.com - What is a meteoroid?

2007-02-18 Thread Randall Gregory
  MeteoriteKid,
   
  You wrote:

  With 'meteoroids,' however, (the definition of which tends to mean 
dust-sized,
   
  That implied my using the term meteoroid was incorrect, however that was not 
what I found searching for the actual definition.
   
   
  Wikipedia:
  The current International Astronomical Union (IAU) definition dates back to 
the XIth General Assembly, held in 1961:

   A solid object moving in interplanetary space, of a size considerably 
smaller than an asteroid and considerably larger than an atom or molecule.   
As a result of the inexorable progress of instrumentation, this definition is 
now deemed by many as unacceptably vague. The most common definition was 
proposed in 1995 [1] and sets the size limits of meteoroids to between 100 µm 
and 10 m across. Larger than that, the object is an asteroid; smaller than 
that, it is interplanetary dust.
   
  #2 NASA website How do you get so much energy out of a 3-inch meteoroid? 
Leonids travel fast—about 144,000 mph, he explains. At that speed, even a 
3-inch rock packs tremendous energy.
   
  I believe I was correct in using the term meteoroid.
   
  Randall

 
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Re: [meteorite-list] www.venusmeteorite.com - what are your opinions on this claim

2007-02-18 Thread Randy Korotev
Dear Mr. Gregory:

At 02:34 13-02-07 Tuesday, you wrote:
Simply put, what testing can definitively differentiate a rock from 
space and a rock from the earth?

Answer: The presence of nuclides that are the products of reactions 
with cosmic-rays - nuclides that can only be produced in space (that 
is, on a body with no atmosphere).  Do a Google search on cosmic ray 
exposure age and there's lots of info.

If anyone can provide me with photos of rocks with identical 
characteristics to the photos on the venusmeteorite.com website or 
the photos I'm enclosing, I will gladly transfer $250 to your 
account. Trust me, you'll be saving me a ton of money and we can put 
this baby to bed.

I don't want the $250, but I have seen photos of rocks (one in 
particular) that look remarkably (!) like the alleged Venusian meteorites:

http://meteorites.wustl.edu/meteorwrongs/m079.htm



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Re: [meteorite-list] www.venusmeteorite.com - what are your opinions on this claim

2007-02-18 Thread Randall Gregory
Jason,
   
  Thank you for responding to my questions. I am also trying to gain a 
self-meteoriticized education. I was unaware of the attachment rule. 
   
   
  PS - Attachments aren't supposed to be posted to the list, per list 
guidelines - you ask people if they want them and then send out privately... 
  And if that pic's of a 'Venusian meteorite,' you should head out to Ludlow, 
CA, because there's a hell of a big area out there covered in beautiful 
desert-varnished basalt - I mean Venusian meteorites - just like that, with 
some pieces weighing a good few hundred pounds..downflow from Amboy Crater, 
a beautiful cindercone
   
  Unfortunately, I can not head out to Ludlow, CA to see the desert-varnish 
basalt, but I can assure you that it is not desert varnish.
   
  Wikipedia definintion of desert varnish
Originally scientists thought that desert varnish was made from substances 
drawn out of the rocks it coats. Microscopic and microchemical observations, 
however, show that a major part of varnish is clay (which could only arrive by 
wind). Clay, then, acts as a substrate to catch additional substances that 
chemically react together when the rock reaches high temperatures in the desert 
sun. Wetting by dew is also important in the process. The varnish is primarily 
composed of particles of clay along with iron and manganese oxides.
  Another important characteristic of desert varnish is that it has an 
unusually high concentration of manganese. Manganese is relatively rare in the 
earth's crust, making up only 0.12% of its weight. In desert varnish, however, 
manganese is 50 to 60 times more abundant. This significant enrichment is 
thought to be caused by biochemical processes (many species of bacteria use 
manganese).
   
  I've already had basic mineralogical testing on my samples. (Remember, I have 
been working with the geologists at the National University of Peru). The 
mineralogical composition of the fusion crust is identical to the composition 
of the matrix. The analysis of the matrix, whole rock, and a cut/slice of the 
fusion crust show a very low concentration of Fe and Mn. The actual values are: 
Fe 4.93%, Mg 1.48%, Mn .23%, and Ni 69 ppm.
   
  The samples I have and the samples on venusmeteorite.com are not desert 
varnish. I know what desert varnish looks like. I've spent a great deal of time 
in the desert and have seen many rocks with desert varnish. With the 
cooperation of the UNSA geologist, it was ruled-out early in the analysis.  
Varnish is additive to the underlying matrix.
   
  One volcanologist said that it may be possible that my samples could be 
wind-polished basalt. This is a real possibility that I am currently pursuing 
beside the fact that the samples came from a prehistoric alluvial plain and 
showed evidence that there was an impact.
   
  Is it possible that a basaltic rock bubbled up and subsequently polished by 
the wind. Yes, it might be possible. I view it as unlikely due to the extreme 
hardness of this particular basalt (8 mohs), but it is a possibility, and I 
will not rule out ANY possibility. He has requested a sample which I will be 
sending out when I travel to Lima in the next few weeks. 
   
  The extreme hardness of my samples has been puzzling to myself and the 
geologists at UNSA. My sample exceeds the natural hardness of basalt. In fact, 
it exceeds the hardness of quartz, which is considered to be the hardest 
naturally occurring mineral. Quartz hardness is 8.0, and my samples exceed 8.0 
on the Mohs scale. Currently, the only known method of creating basalt harder 
than quartz is to grind it, apply a special heat treatment at 1300°C where it 
re-crystallises, giving it extreme Hardness: 8-9 on the Mohs scale. This 
process is known as cast-basalt. Where you would normally expect basalt to 
streak on quartz I have a picture showing how quartz streaks on my basaltic 
sample and I also have a video of the area showing the natural state 
(baby-powder fine sand)  If you're interested, I'll send them off-topic.
   
   
  Best Regards,
   
  Randall
   
   

   
   
   
  

Jason Utas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hell, here are a few more of some random ones.
  Jason

 
  On 2/15/07, Jason Utas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a pair of pics 
of my favorite cratered Sikhote.
  Jason

 
On 2/15/07, Jason Utas [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote: Hello Randall, 
  With my self-meteoriticized education, I might be able to help with at least 
a few of your questions...

 
  On 2/14/07, Randall Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:
Mr. Webb,McCafferty and any interested parties on the list.
   
  If you don't mind, coud you please answer a couple of questions?
   
  Could your Martian impact scenario apply to ejecta from Mercury?
  http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2003/pdf/1933.pdf
   
  The spatial density (number per unit volume) of meteoroids varies as a 
function of distance from the sun, distance from a planet, ecliptic 

Re: [meteorite-list] ID help, meteorwrong meteorite galleries, my collection, meteorite forum, field museum pics

2007-02-18 Thread Joe
Hello all,
   Lately in the SkyRock Cafe Meteorite Forum there has been lots of talk on 
etching meteorites and the different ways in doing so. I decided to do a 
demonstration of the way that I etch, I hope this helps someone.
http://illinoismeteorites.com/etching%20odessa.htm
Here is the link to the page with many photos and descriptions of what I am 
doing.

Enjoy,
Joe Kerchner
illinoismeteorites.com

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Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 1:10:33 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] ID help, meteorwrong  meteorite galleries, my 
collection, meteorite forum, field museum pics

Hello list,
 Once again I have added many photo and discriptions to me webpage. My 
meteorwrong page now has description fro each wrong. I have also added a new 
photo gallery page. In a day or so I will be addin at least a hundred new 
meteorites, slices, individuals, fragments, and micros. Also I am going to be 
adding a how toc etch section, there will be many photos and a short video, I 
will be using two methods, the normal one and one my wife found on her first 
etch by making a mistake. These should all be done by friday, but many new 
photos have been added in the past few days. Awsome new pieces in my 
collection, I have been buying irons and stony iron mostly. I have posted links 
to a few of the links to some pages on my website.
Take a look:

Homepage:
http://illinoismeteorites.com/
My Collection:
http://illinoismeteorites.com/collection.htm
Meteorwrong gallery:
http://illinoismeteorites.com/meteorwrongs.htm
Field mesuem collection:
http://illinoismeteorites.com/field_museum_collection_page.htm
Meteorite id help:
http://illinoismeteorites.com/meteorite_identification.htm
Photo Gallery:
http://illinoismeteorites.com/gallery_page_1.htm
Meteorite Forum
http://illinoismeteorites.com/yabb/YaBB.pl

Thanks, I hope you all enjoy these photos,
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[meteorite-list] AD - New NWA 4679, Carbonaceous CK4, Special Sale

2007-02-18 Thread gipometeorites
Hello List,

we would like to introduce our new Meteorite NWA 4679.
It's an rare CK4, very interesting and beautiful material. The classification
of it is in progress, but it's for sure that it's an CK4.

Here are the data we have:

Name: NWA 4679 (provisional)
Class CK4
Shockgrade: S2
Weathering: W3
TKW: 735g.

More data will follow, we will publish them later at our website.

The meteorite shows nice big clasts, probably of a higher petrological type, 
CK5.
Some slices we offer show big barred chondrules, not often seen in carbonaceous 
chondrites!

Today we start a special sale of this rare material, the price is between 
$15-$18/g. This is only for this 
special sale.

All slices are cut very thin, big surface in relation to the weight!

Take a look here:

http://www.gi-po.de/ebayfolder/shop/carbopre/carbo.htm

Don't miss this one!


Thanks for looking.

Carsten.




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Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Illinois Meteorites

2007-02-18 Thread Joe
Hello all,
   I like Bill am having trouble finding Illinois Meteorites on the market for 
collectors. If anybody has extra, after taking care of Bill of coarse, I would 
be very happy to purchase some. contact off list if you can help.
Thanks,
Joe Kerchner
illinoismeteorites.com

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Hi all,

Interesting for those of us that care about Illinois meteorites. Joe certainly 
works hard. I never really thought about how difficult it is to buy a specimen 
from Illinois until I tried. I can't find any offerings for anything other than 
PF.

The latest fireworks in SW Central got me all worked up.

Anybody got a piece? Offline of course ;)

Bill



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[meteorite-list] the lunar meeorite from morocco

2007-02-18 Thread adrar fossile
there all members of list .
   
  i'm mohamed ait ouzrou , from morocco i think that majorite of list know me , 
  so in the link below are some wonder  pieces if some one like them can 
contact me ,
  in the adress email  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
   
   
  http://www.4shared.com/file/10828031/925d185c/lunar_meteorites_for_sale.html
   
  good health to all list ,
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[meteorite-list] www.venusmeteorite.com - attachments

2007-02-18 Thread Randall Gregory
I apologize for sending attachments. I was unaware of the rule.
   
   
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Re: [meteorite-list] Just a thought about NWA classification numbers

2007-02-18 Thread STARSANDSCOPES
Hi Howard, What we have is a can of worms!Tom
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[meteorite-list] wanted - micromount of whitula creek and maroo

2007-02-18 Thread Bob WALKER
Listoids

I am trying to track down where to purchase a micro of Maroo and Whitula Creek

Please contact me off-list if you are able to assist

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Re: [meteorite-list] Suspected meteorite. Basaltic rock with a fusion crust. Your opinion please, terrestrial origin?

2007-02-18 Thread Randall Gregory
Aloha,
   
  Thank you for your reply and taking the time to look at my photos. I remember 
Hawaii very well having spent a great deal of time on the Big Island. Most of 
my in-laws live in Hawaii. Some on the Big Island (Kona area),  Honolulu (Mott 
Smith Dr.) and McCandless Ranch (Keith Unger). I married his sister Jenine 
Unger.
   
  Anyway, what I can tell you is that they are not obsidian related due to the 
total lack of glass. Right now I am in Arequipa, Peru and as you are well 
aware, is volcanically active (Ubinas) and seismically active (Of which I am 
occassionally reminded) Trust me, tremblors are not fun. :(
   
  Obsidian is relatively common and professors at the National University here 
in Arequipa have examined the stone. Obsidian and desert varnish have been 
ruled-out. Wind-polished lava is a distinct possibility at this time. My 
understanding is wind-polishing is a removal process and would tend to smooth 
out the surface.
   
  Would it be possible to send you a sample (whole rock and cut slice)  when I 
return to the United States? If so, what are the requirements for a thin 
section. You will be free to keep both for your collection if you desire as the 
rocks are quite beautiful and unique.
   
  Randall
  

John Lockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi!

I can't be sure from photos.  I have seen wind-abraded obsidian 
ventifacts in desert environments that look like this, but their compositions 
would be very fifferent from any possible meteorite.   They would also show 
glass composition in thin section or x-ray.  Pretty easy to tell difference in 
a lab.  They well could be meteorites - direct inspection is needed..

Aloha,

Jack


At 02:55 PM 02/15/2007, you wrote:
  I found this black basaltic rock close to a documented fall in the Peruvian 
desert but far from any volcanos. Could I have your opinion as to whether you 
have seen this exact type of rock in any of your field expeditions?
 
 
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[meteorite-list] AD: New Temporary Website

2007-02-18 Thread David Kitt Deyarmin
I like the basic set up but the site logo is hard to read, the yellow on gray 
has very little contrast.

In the gallery section I would also make the pictures link to the page of the 
For Sale Items.

What are the dimensions of the 125 gram Estherville?

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Re: [meteorite-list] Suspected meteorite. Basaltic rock with a fusion crust. Your opinion please, terrestrial origin?

2007-02-18 Thread Randall Gregory
Aloha,
   
  Thank you for your reply and taking the time to look at my photos. I remember 
Hawaii very well having spent a great deal of time on the Big Island. Most of 
my in-laws live in Hawaii. Some on the Big Island (Kona area),  Honolulu (Mott 
Smith Dr.) and McCandless Ranch (Keith Unger). I married his sister Jenine 
Unger.
   
  Anyway, what I can tell you is that they are not obsidian related due to the 
total lack of glass. Right now I am in Arequipa, Peru and as you are well 
aware, is volcanically active (Ubinas) and seismically active (Of which I am 
occassionally reminded) Trust me, tremblors are not fun. :(
   
  Obsidian is relatively common and professors at the National University here 
in Arequipa have examined the stone. Obsidian and desert varnish have been 
ruled-out. Wind-polished lava is a distinct possibility at this time. My 
understanding is wind-polishing is a removal process and would tend to smooth 
out the surface.
   
  Would it be possible to send you a sample (whole rock and cut slice)  when I 
return to the United States? If so, what are the requirements for a thin 
section. You will be free to keep both for your collection if you desire as the 
rocks are quite beautiful and unique.
   
  Randall
  

John Lockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi!

I can't be sure from photos.  I have seen wind-abraded obsidian 
ventifacts in desert environments that look like this, but their compositions 
would be very fifferent from any possible meteorite.   They would also show 
glass composition in thin section or x-ray.  Pretty easy to tell difference in 
a lab.  They well could be meteorites - direct inspection is needed..

Aloha,

Jack


At 02:55 PM 02/15/2007, you wrote:
  I found this black basaltic rock close to a documented fall in the Peruvian 
desert but far from any volcanos. Could I have your opinion as to whether you 
have seen this exact type of rock in any of your field expeditions?
 
 
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Iiwi, Volcano, Hawaii, 96785]
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Re: [meteorite-list] Suspected meteorite. Basaltic rock with a fusion crust. Your opinion please, terrestrial origin?

2007-02-18 Thread Randall Gregory
John,
   
  Thank you for your prompt reply and offer of assistance,
   
  All I can say is, WOW. It is indeed a small world. I'm sorry you never had 
the opportunity to view Misti and the other dormant ring volcanoes here in 
Arequipa. In the early morning when the air is clear, it is truly an amazing 
sight. I also hope that when you were in Cusco that you had a chance to visit 
Machu Picchu and Sacred Valley. My wife and I asked the park director for 
special permission to spend the night in Machu Picchu since park closes around 
dusk. I made a little donation to his Annual Machu Picchu Christmas Party Fund 
;)  The informal system here in Peru. I love it!!
   
  Needless to say, it was a very moving and somewhat spiritual experience. Part 
of the night was spent in the arena where the Inca's sacrificed children to 
their Gods. We tried to imagine what their night-time ceremonies were like. 
Quite tragic.
   
  The Incan architecture is mind-boggling in its scope and precision, and how 
they have fresh flowing water on top of that mountain is still somewhat of a 
mystery to me. We had Machu Picchu totally to ourselves for an entire night. 
I'll never forget it. Like the night Manta dives in Kona...  memories to last a 
lifetime.
   
  Whoops, digressing here. Back to the problem. I'm a layperson with no formal 
training in Geology, Volcanology, or Cosmo-chemistry. I am searching for the 
truth about these rocks and so far, nobody in the meteorite community can 
positively identify them as meteorites. Most of them have very little field 
experience and have attempted to offer opinions as to what they might be. Alot 
of the responders have said desert varnish and obsidian type of rocks. Both of 
these have been ruled-out by the geologists here in Peru at the National 
University of San Augustin.
   
  I'll give you a brief background. I love to collect minerals and fossils. I 
was looking for nice but inexpensive piece of native Peruvian jewelry for my 
wife when I noticed this very unique stone. I asked the dealer from what area 
this rock came from and he told me the Aplao area. Just out of curiosity, I 
asked a friend where Aplao was. He said that's where the big meteorite fell. 
After investigated further, I found that this was not just a fall, but one of 
the largest falls in recent history. It registered 4.0 Richter at multiple 
seismic stations. 
   
  More of the story can be found at:
   
  http://www.geocities.com/astroycpa/meteoritoaqp2feb2004.html
   
  After some time, people stopped looking for the crater. Since there is only 
around 160 known craters I felt the information on this fresh fall could 
provide the scientific community with very valuable information. To make a very 
long story short, I spent months organizing expeditions into the Peruvian 
desert and finally found the crater. Some geologists, who are now close 
friends, have accompanied me on these expeditions. They taught me a great deal 
about the desert environment.
   
  I also found the same type of rocks in the general area of the crater as the 
one I purchased in the jewelry store. During that time, I researched the 
Internet on meteorites, looked at hundreds of meteorite images, consulted with 
geologists and seismologists, and solicited opinions of respect people in the 
meteorite community. Unfortunately, the meteorite community has a tainted eye. 
Some have been very nice and offered genuine advice and opinions. Others have 
ridiculed me and had me run the gauntlet. To date, nobody has yet identified 
this rocks as terrestrial or non-terrestrial. 
   
  One very unusual characterize of my samples is that they are absolutely 
identical to the first few images on www.venusmeteorite.com . The author of 
this website claims his rocks have a Venusian origin. I don't make any claims. 
I just want to find the truth.
   
  Since, I am unable to prove my samples are meteorites, I've decided to take 
the opposite approach and try to prove they're terrestrial. This is why I asked 
for your help.
   
  I hope you've had the experience of going to Green Sand Beach at South Point. 
If you have then you'll remember the wind farm. I talked to the supervisor of 
the wind farm one day and he told me that when digging the cables for the wind 
turbines, the contractor almost went bankrupt because the lava was so extremely 
hard. 
   
  Preliminary testing has shown my samples exceed 8.0 (Mohs). In your 
experience, can lava exceed 8.0 (mohs) ? I know special heat treatments to 
basalt can raise their hardness level. In your estimation, what kind of heat is 
needed to raise the hardness of basalt. Could volcanic reheating of existing 
basalt accomplish this?
   
  I'm still in Peru, but as soon as I return to the United States, I'll send 
you what I have. What would cover your total costs?
   
  Just out of curiosity, do you live on the Big Island? I hope on the dry side!
   
  Aloha,
   
  Randall
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
  


[meteorite-list] Sikhote-Alin Picture of the Day - February 17, 2007

2007-02-18 Thread SPACEROCKSINC
http://www.spacerocksinc.com/February_17.html
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Re: [meteorite-list] www.venusmeteorite.com - what are youropinions on this claim

2007-02-18 Thread Randall Gregory
Mr. Gallo,
   
  Thank you for your prompt reply and for also taking the time and effort to 
have your friend look at the photos. 
   
  Maybe it's the glassy apperance of my samples that misleads a person to think 
they are obsidian related. My samples contain absolutely no glass and are not 
glassy like obsidian is. Peruvian geologists ruled-out obsidian and 
obsidian-related minerals very early in this analysis.
   
   If you look at the caption on the bottom of the picture, it reads: This dark 
well-exposed glassy unit can also be found on other locations miles away, 
Vitrophyre is another name for phenocryst-bearing obsidian. 
   
  I now refer you to the the recent post where I have contacted a volcanologist 
in Hawaii. As you know, volcanologists are geologist that specialize in the 
study of lava, magma, and anything related to volcanos. I am looking now to 
volcanologists for terrestrial establishment.
   
  Unfortunately, I do not have as yet, whole rock analysis. When I return to 
the United States I will procure whole rock testing using INNA.
   
  Again, thank you for your reply.
   
  Randall
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
  
gian paolo gallo gallo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hola again. Here some pictures of the Shoshone Mountain .
   
  
   Location: State Highway 178, ~ 4 miles east of Shoshone. 
Different colored (yellowish) strata are displayed but all of it is just tuff. 
Lake basin sediments top different flavors of tuff. The biggest crack in the 
wall is a nice example of normal faulting. 
 
 Dense, west-dipping Dense, west-dipping vitrophyre (black 
band) drags students’ attention. This dark, well-exposed glassy unit can be 
also found on other locations for miles away. Vitrophyre is another name for 
phenocryst-bearing 
obsidian-


  Hola Mr. Randall . We sent your case to a geologist venezuelan friend and he 
said that both stones are a basaltic rich potassium magma stones, named 
SHOSHONITE, and they can be found in Mount Shoshone in Montana, USA, and 
central Andes cordillera Mountains, that is in Perù. Bolivia and Chile, Hope 
this help you and us to clear the subjet, because the geologist profesor 
friend, says that they are of terrestrial origin.
  Our best regards,
  Poalo Gallo

  
  
  
  

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From:  Randall Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To:  gian paolo gallo gallo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC:  meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject:  Re: [meteorite-list] www.venusmeteorite.com - what are youropinions 
on this claim
Date:  Thu, 15 Feb 2007 07:26:50 -0800 (PST)
  

  Mr. Gallo,
  
 Thank you for your reply. I am very anxious to see the pictures of the 
rock that you found. If you could please provide a few good close-ups taken in 
both natural (sunlight) and indoor flash showing details in the fusion crust 
and the internal matrix. I will take into account color variations. The picture 
on venusmeteorite.com apparently was shot indoors and mine outdoors. I used a 
Nikon F100 with Fuji Provia professional film. I don't expect professional 
photos, but I would like them to be of high quality. I am enclosing another 
picture of my rock and the picture in venusmeteorite.com to help you in your 
assessment of your rock. Please compare the two pictures noting the fusion 
crust and internal matrix. If at all possible, could you also provide 
information as to where the rock was found, why this particular rock was 
collected, and what do you believe it is. I will gladly hold 
true to my offer if indeed the rock is identical to the one on 
venusmeteorite.com and my rock. The $250 bucks will be immediately sent to you 
upon confirmation. But, I also want you to understand that your rock can't be 
somewhat similar, it has to be identical. If we should disagree, I will ask 
other members of this forum for their assessment.. My sample is absolutely 
identical to the first few pictures in venusmeteorite.com. He found his in 
Utah, I found mine in Peru.   
  
 Sincerely,
  
 Randall

gian paolo gallo gallo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   


  



 Saludos , Mr Randall. Greetings from Venezuela. We have found a stone here 
in our State, that 
looks like somewhat the basalt looking stone of venusmeteorites.com. We are 
sending you a picture of it, hope it will help you and you will help us with 
the 250 bucks.
 Best regards,
 Paolo Gallo, M.V.
 
 
 
 
  
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Date:  Tue, 

[meteorite-list] AD for 3 meteorites

2007-02-18 Thread Jake Pelletier
Hi List Members,

This is the first time I have posted a Ad on the met list but my collecting 
focus has changed somewhat so I have decided to sell some of my specimens. I am 
starting with the 3 below and I am also considering selling my full slice of 
NWA 1929 and a few others as well. I have no website so if you are interested 
please contact me off list for pictures.

1) 87.7 gram NWA 2224 CV3 slice for $375.00 
2) 20.7 gram Unclassified Euc or How complete slice for 
$125.00
3) 5.4 gram Abee EH4 slice for $375.00

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Re: [meteorite-list] Eastern Oregon Meteorite on Ebay

2007-02-18 Thread GREG LINDH
   Yeah, a Canyon Diablo with whiteout.


Regards,
 Geeg


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  From: Norm Lehrmanmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: Martin Altmannmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ; 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.commailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
  Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 4:52 PM
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Eastern Oregon Meteorite on Ebay


  Martin,

  For an extra thousand dollars, rocks in Arizona could
  crawl to Oregon!  Maybe this is the beginning of a
  migration!

  Regards,
  Norm
  http://TektiteSource.comhttp://tektitesource.com/

  --- Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:

   But how did that Canyon Diablo found its way to
   Oregon??
   
   Buckleboo!
   
   -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
   Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Im Auftrag von Norm
   Lehrman
   Gesendet: Samstag, 17. Februar 2007 23:11
   An: Mike Fowler; 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.commailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
   Cc: Mike Fowler
   Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Eastern Oregon
   Meteorite on Ebay
   
   Mike  all,
   
   That did look like a winner, but too bad about the
   crumby documentation.  The seller didn't seem very
   interested in providing anything but platitudes. 
   The
   caliche crusts were right for eastern Oregon.
   
   Cheers,
   Norm
   
   --- Mike Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
Hi List,

Did any of you see this meteorite on ebay?  23 oz
sold for $1026 to  
peterutas.

   
  
  
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200077988565http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200077988565

I  bid, but not that much.

Mike Fowler

Chicago
ebay--starsandrocks
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Re: [meteorite-list] Adding a new impact site to the database

2007-02-18 Thread Randall Gregory
Mr. Cormier,
   
  Thank you for your reply. Specifically, what documentation do you require?
   
  Background information on the fall can be found at:
   
  http://www.geocities.com/astroycpa/meteoritoaqp2feb2004.html
   
  www.geocities.com/astroycpa/astroalertas.html 
   
  and can be translated from Spanish to English using Google language tools.
   
  Additionally, a Russian scientist investigating what he calls Geometeor 
events did a very good job of collecting information shortly after the fall. I 
have been in contact with him and after presenting the evidence, he agrees this 
was not a Geometeor event but an actual fall.
   
  The information he collected can be found at:
   
  http://olkhov.siteburg.com/gr1997.htm#20040202
   
  Search for February 2, 2004 Peruvian geometeor event. 
   
  The impact registered almost 4.0 Richter across the Chilean and Peruvian 
seismic station network. I have seismic data for the event from both 
UNSA(University National San Augustin)  and IGP (Geophysical Institute of 
Peru). Chilean data is in-process.
   
  Initially, people thought it might have been a airplane that crashed and 
flooded the local police with calls. The police then called the military. After 
everyone calmed down, they contacted the National University in Arequipa. 
Hastily organized searches were undertaken, but and they were unsucessful (they 
never went far enough into the desert). My father-in-law is a retired professor 
and with his assistance, I was able to consult with geologists at the National 
University of Peru (San Augustin). I helped organize the first real scientific 
expedition with scientists and students into the area, but we were unsuccessful 
in finding the impact site. It was kind of a crude search but it gave me 
valuable experience. Learning from mistakes...
   
  I subsequently organized additional expeditions after contacting and 
interviewing eyewitnesses to the fall. One of the most important pieces of 
information I gathered from these interviews was, sound measurements. I asked 
each witness to recall the amount of time from when they seen the impact to 
when they heard the explosion. With this information and the relative speed of 
sound in dry air, I was able to estimate the distance.
   
  I now had the direction and also the distance. With GPS, satellite photos and 
maps supplied by the University, I was able to launch a more directed 
scientific expedition. Each of the previous expeditions helped to narrow down 
the location. On the 6th expedition, we found the crater. There were times when 
we literally risked our lives, walking along ridges less than 18 inches wide, 
with a drop-off of several hundred meters. We roped ourselves and traversed 
very very slowly.
   
  As a matter of fact, I lived for a time with a family where both the mother 
and father eye-witnessed the event. She was washing dishes at the time when she 
heard a sonic boom, saw the fireball trail, the flash of light when the 
meteorite hit, felt the ground shake, heard the resulting explosion, and 
watched a column of dust rise thousands of meters into the air. She was about 
30 kilometers from the impact. Her husband was out in the field, but didn't see 
the  actual fall, but witnessed the effects after the meteorite hit. My wife 
and I became close friends with this family and I was recently asked to be the 
Godfather for their son's newborn baby! One of the other witnesses, from a 
different vantage point close to the Majes river was tending his herd of cows, 
having lunch with his son and looked up to comment about the weather, when he 
heard the sonic boom and watched something streak from the sky. He said it 
was extremely fast and fell close to vertical. His eyewitness
 account was extremely helpful due to the fact that there were small mountains 
in front of him which gave us a good ground-based reference. His picture is on 
the first web-link (Astro-CPA) pointing to the mountains. His name is Julio 
Rocco, a poor farmer with a large family.
   
  You asked for coordinates for the crater. I will send them to you if I can be 
assured that they will not be published until my paperwork has been approved 
and I have paid for rights. I want to protect the crater and have paperwork 
filed with the Peruvian government to grant me a mining concession to the 
crater and 100 hectares surrounding. There have already been scientists from 
Paraguay searching for the crater. People have cautioned me about giving out to 
much information until I have secured legal rights to the crater. I want to 
keep it in it's pristine state until scientists have fully studied it. I hope 
you understand. At the current time, I can give you seismic coordinates and 
general coordinates within 30 kilometers of the crater. I will start to send 
you information as you request it. Pictures, videos, reports, everything.  
   
   
  Randall
   
   
   
   
  

Gaetan Cormier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hello Mr.Gregory,


[meteorite-list] AD - 3 meteorites for sale

2007-02-18 Thread Jake Pelletier
Hi List Members,

This is the first time I have posted a AD on the met list but my collecting 
focus has changed somewhat so I have decided to sell some of my specimens. I am 
starting with the 3 below and I am also considering selling my full slice of 
NWA 1929 and a few others as well. I have no website so if you are interested 
please contact me off list for pictures.

1) 87.7 gram NWA 2224 CV3 slice for $375.00 
2) 20.7 gram Unclassified Euc or How complete slice for 
$125.00
3) 5.4 gram Abee EH4 slice for $375.00

Thanks,
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Re: [meteorite-list] Adding a new impact site to the database

2007-02-18 Thread Randall Gregory
Gaetan,
   
  http://wikimapia.org/1171712
   
   
  UNSA recorded epicenter: 7237'08.16w - 1600'01.71s  
  IGPrecorded epicenter: 1620?59.77w - 7246'5707s
  Julio Rocco vantage point: 7229.37.86w - 1559'18.66s
  Condor Rock  : 7235.08.82w - 1556'46.61s
   
   
  I have pictures and videos. 
  

Gaetan Cormier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Very interesting Randall...

The reason why I asked for the coordinates is just that I wanted to check out 
on Google earth thearea of impact. But if there's a crater, somebody probably 
took photos of it? you have any? 

  2007/2/17, Randall Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED]:Mr. Cormier,
   
  Thank you for your reply. Specifically, what documentation do you require?
   
  Background information on the fall can be found at:
   
  http://www.geocities.com/astroycpa/meteoritoaqp2feb2004.html
   
  www.geocities.com/astroycpa/astroalertas.html 
   
  and can be translated from Spanish to English using Google language tools.
   
  Additionally, a Russian scientist investigating what he calls Geometeor 
events did a very good job of collecting information shortly after the fall. I 
have been in contact with him and after presenting the evidence, he agrees this 
was not a Geometeor event but an actual fall. 
   
  The information he collected can be found at:
   
  http://olkhov.siteburg.com/gr1997.htm#20040202
   
  Search for February 2, 2004 Peruvian geometeor event. 
   
  The impact registered almost 4.0 Richter across the Chilean and Peruvian 
seismic station network. I have seismic data for the event from both 
UNSA(University National San Augustin)  and IGP (Geophysical Institute of 
Peru). Chilean data is in-process. 
   
  Initially, people thought it might have been a airplane that crashed and 
flooded the local police with calls. The police then called the military. After 
everyone calmed down, they contacted the National University in Arequipa. 
Hastily organized searches were undertaken, but and they were unsucessful (they 
never went far enough into the desert). My father-in-law is a retired professor 
and with his assistance, I was able to consult with geologists at the National 
University of Peru (San Augustin). I helped organize the first real scientific 
expedition with scientists and students into the area, but we were unsuccessful 
in finding the impact site. It was kind of a crude search but it gave me 
valuable experience. Learning from mistakes... 
   
  I subsequently organized additional expeditions after contacting and 
interviewing eyewitnesses to the fall. One of the most important pieces of 
information I gathered from these interviews was, sound measurements. I asked 
each witness to recall the amount of time from when they seen the impact to 
when they heard the explosion. With this information and the relative speed of 
sound in dry air, I was able to estimate the distance. 
   
  I now had the direction and also the distance. With GPS, satellite photos and 
maps supplied by the University, I was able to launch a more directed 
scientific expedition. Each of the previous expeditions helped to narrow down 
the location. On the 6th expedition, we found the crater. There were times when 
we literally risked our lives, walking along ridges less than 18 inches wide, 
with a drop-off of several hundred meters. We roped ourselves and traversed 
very very slowly. 
   
  As a matter of fact, I lived for a time with a family where both the mother 
and father eye-witnessed the event. She was washing dishes at the time when she 
heard a sonic boom, saw the fireball trail, the flash of light when the 
meteorite hit, felt the ground shake, heard the resulting explosion, and 
watched a column of dust rise thousands of meters into the air. She was about 
30 kilometers from the impact. Her husband was out in the field, but didn't see 
the  actual fall, but witnessed the effects after the meteorite hit. My wife 
and I became close friends with this family and I was recently asked to be the 
Godfather for their son's newborn baby! One of the other witnesses, from a 
different vantage point close to the Majes river was tending his herd of cows, 
having lunch with his son and looked up to comment about the weather, when he 
heard the sonic boom and watched something streak from the sky. He said it 
was extremely fast and fell close to vertical. His eyewitness
 account was extremely helpful due to the fact that there were small mountains 
in front of him which gave us a good ground-based reference. His picture is on 
the first web-link (Astro-CPA) pointing to the mountains. His name is Julio 
Rocco, a poor farmer with a large family. 
   
  You asked for coordinates for the crater. I will send them to you if I can be 
assured that they will not be published until my paperwork has been approved 
and I have paid for rights. I want to protect the crater and have paperwork 
filed with the Peruvian government to grant me a mining concession to the 
crater 

[meteorite-list] venusmeteorite - Space slag, Boggy creek, Alien gems, Frass marble traders. What a circus

2007-02-18 Thread Randall Gregory
I would like to thank those people that responded to my questions. I am 
thinking of retiring from the list for short time to finish my research and 
have the impact crater registered. I need to devote my time elsewhere.To the 
people that have provided encouragement, support and would like further 
updates, Email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I'll send them off-list.
   
  I will keep my promise of payment for identical photos of my samples, but I 
am now not actively soliciting them. I am growing increasingly frustrated and 
need to regain my composure. So far, nobody has ever answered my basic question 
What definitive testing will prove space weathering.
   
  Recently, a meteorite dealer told me that pictures of my samples were 
sandstone covered by desert varnish even after I told him that the rocks were 
basaltic and geologists at the National University in Peru have never seen 
rocks like this. I've seen desert varnish many many times on my searches for 
fossilized Megalodon teeth in the Peruvian desert. Peruvian geologists are 
highly trained and well respected.
   
  This and other insults from meteorite dealers made me realize that alot of 
people are just marble traders and have little scientific knowledge or formal 
training. Some found meteorite trading profitable and others it's just an 
off-shoot of their main business of minerals and fossils. Some took their 
weekend excursions into strewn fields armed with metal detectors and found some 
meteorites to sell on e-bay. I mean no disrespect to any collectors with a 
genuine interest and appreciation of meteorites. I find them fascinating. 
   
  You can sense my frustration. I agree that most know their marbles. Hey, I 
have a steelie, wanna trade. Yo, I have a peral-lie for sale. Wanna see a 
picture of a shooter? ooohhh I've got a cat's eye. So, along comes a guy 
with something a bit unusual. Hey, I found something and I'll call it a 
spark-lie for now. It looks like your marbles, rolls like your marbles, but I 
can't prove that it's a marble. Can you help me find out what it is? I'll even 
give you one for free. And alot of the marble players say sorry you can't play 
in our game with your unknown marbles and we're too busy buying and trading to 
help you. Buzz off.
   
  There has been speculation resulting from artificial ablation studies on 
terrestrial rocks that some meteorites may have a clear or transparent fusion 
crust. Hey, we now have a clear-rie! What marble dealer would recognize this as 
a marble? 
   
  You know, I even offered to send (post-paid) a free sample to some dealers 
and never received a reply. I've read enough, and I'm done with dealers. 
Dealers reporting stolen meteorites then selling the missing meteorites to 
absentee bidders. The eBay scams, alien gemstones, space slag, dishonest 
dealers, and people looking only to profit has tainted my view somewhat of the 
people involved in the meteorite field. Some of you might recall the story of a 
well-known meteorite dealer that was accused of stealing a very valuable 
meteorite (considered to be a national treasure) from a museum in Brazil. He 
was apprehended at the airport with the meteorite in his luggage...
   
  Other people have e-mailed me and said my website www.venusmeteorite.com was 
very nice. IT IS NOT MY WEBSITE!!! and I never claimed my samples were from 
Venus. I repeat, my samples are identical to the ones found on 
venusmeteorite.com. That's all. I don't have a website.  What a circus.
   
  I realized that the people that I should be talking to are volcanologists 
(neck-deep in lava, so to speak). They can give me a real expert opinion on 
basaltic rocks. So I am now taking the opposite approach. If volcanologists 
have never seen rocks like this and geologists have never seen rocks like this, 
then... guess what? If it can't be found on Earth then ...
   
  The response I've received from the people in the field of volcanology has 
been fantastic. They've requested samples, and will make 40 micron slices. They 
will be sending samples to other universities and another to friends at the 
Smithsonian Institution for further analysis and expert opinion. This is the 
type of response I was hoping from the meteorite community but never received. 
I received a great deal of ridicule. The exception are the few scientists that 
helped answer some of my questions. To them, my thanks and appreciation.
   
  As of this moment, only a few samples are know to exist, the author of 
venusmeteorite.com and myself thus making them even more rare than Martian 
meteorites. Score 34 for the Martians and approximately 18 for the ___? You 
fill in the blank. (Venusians, Mercurians, nut-bags, idiots, Space slaggers, 
whatever...) 
   
  My wife suggested that I auction one to help with our costs. Let me 
reiterate, I am not in this to make money, folks. I will be incuring 
significant costs for very expensive private testing when I return to the 
United States.

[meteorite-list] Looking for a good picture of an Etched Nantan Slice

2007-02-18 Thread David Kitt Deyarmin
If anyone has one please send it to me via email or if it's on the web send me 
the URL

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Re: [meteorite-list] SIKHOTE-ALIN

2007-02-18 Thread M come Meteorite Meteorites

this some particulars from SA

flow lines in a 7.5 gr. bullett

http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/4360/sikhote3amitx9.jpg

bed eye in a 144 gr. SA

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/1333/sikhote4minhw3.jpg

troilite nodule

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/9066/sikhote1amidt6.jpg

Matteo


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Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it 
Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info
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[meteorite-list] AD - Ebay auctions ended

2007-02-18 Thread M come Meteorite Meteorites

only for inform the 3 auctions on ebay ended at 1 day

http://members.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPageuserid=mcomemeteorite

Matteo


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Via Triestina 126/A - 30173 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it 
Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info
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[meteorite-list] Martian and Lunar Cuttings

2007-02-18 Thread E.P. Grondine
Hello all - 

I finally delivered the lunar and martian cuttings
which I purchased ftom Greg Hupe earlier this year to
the recipients' mother - a very belated Christmas
gift.  I gave them to her at a fund raising event for
their father, who is in very serious condition. She
was very pleased (Fantastic! - From Mars? You have to
be kidding! and many smiles) , and I think that they
will bring a little badly needed cheer to their
children.

My thanks to Greg once again, and I am sorry that we
did not meet in Tuscon.

good hunting, 
Ed




 

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[meteorite-list] 31 kilo Ghubara for sale or trade

2007-02-18 Thread Dennis Beatty

Hello,

I have a very nice 31 kilo Ghubara (whole stone) which I am interested in 
selling or trading.  I am looking for a nice whole Murchison, a whole slice of 
metal rich Portales Valley or??  

Thanks,

Dennis Beatty
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Re: [meteorite-list] venusmeteorite - Space slag, Boggy creek, Alien gems, Frass marble traders. What a circus

2007-02-18 Thread Bill




I'm glad I never bothered to follow this thread.

Bill



-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 09:35:43 -0800 (PST)To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comSubject: [meteorite-list] venusmeteorite - Space slag, Boggy creek, Alien gems, Frass  marble traders. What a circus


I would like tothank those people that responded to my questions. I am thinking of retiring from thelist for short time to finish my research and have the impact crater registered.I need to devote my time elsewhere.To the people that have provided encouragement, support and would likefurther updates, Email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I'll send them off-list.

I will keepmy promise of payment for identical photos of my samples, but I am now not actively soliciting them. I am growing increasingly frustrated and need to regain my composure. So far, nobody has ever answered my basic question "What definitive testing willprove space weathering".

Recently, a meteorite dealer told me that pictures ofmy sampleswere sandstone covered bydesert varnish even after I told him that the rocks were basaltic and geologists at the National University in Peruhave never seen rocks like this.I've seen desert varnish many many times on my searches for fossilizedMegalodon teeth in the Peruvian desert.Peruvian geologists are highly trained and well respected.

This and other insults frommeteorite dealers made me realize thatalot of people are just marble traders and have little scientific knowledge or formal training.Some found meteorite trading profitable andothers it's just an off-shoot of their main business of minerals and fossils. Some took their weekend excursions into strewn fields armed with metal detectors and found some meteorites to sell on e-bay. I mean no disrespect toany collectors with agenuineinterest and appreciation of meteorites. I find them fascinating. 

You cansensemy frustration. I agree thatmost know their marbles. Hey, I have a steelie, wanna trade. Yo, I have a peral-lie for sale.Wanna see a picture of a shooter? ooohhh I've got a cat's eye.So, along comes a guy with something a bit unusual. Hey, I found something and I'll call it a spark-lie for now. It looks like your marbles, rolls like your marbles, but I can't prove that it's a marble. Can you help me find out what it is? I'll even give you one for free. And alot of the marble players say "sorry you can't play in our game with your unknown marbles and we're too busy buying and trading to help you". Buzz off.

There has been speculation resulting from artificial ablation studies on terrestrial rocksthat some meteorites may have a clear or transparent fusion crust. Hey, we now have a clear-rie! What marble dealer would recognize this as a marble? 

You know, I even offered to send (post-paid) a free sample to some dealers and never received a reply. I've read enough, and I'm done with dealers. Dealers reporting stolen meteorites then selling the "missing" meteorites to absentee bidders. The eBay scams, alien gemstones, space slag, dishonest dealers, and people looking only to profit has tainted my view somewhat of thepeople involved in the meteorite field. Some of you might recall the story of a well-known meteorite dealer that was accused of stealing a very valuable meteorite (considered to be a national treasure) from a museum in Brazil. He wasapprehended at the airport with the meteorite in his luggage...

Otherpeople have e-mailed me and said my website www.venusmeteorite.com was very nice. IT IS NOT MY WEBSITE!!!and I never claimed my samples were from Venus. I repeat, my samples are identical to the ones found on venusmeteorite.com. That's all. I don't have a website. What a circus.

I realized that the people that I should be talking to arevolcanologists (neck-deep in lava, so to speak). They cangive me a real expert opinion on basaltic rocks.So I am now taking the opposite approach. If volcanologists have never seen rocks like this and geologists have never seen rocks like this,then... guess what? If it can't be found on Earth then ...

The response I've received from the people in the field of volcanology has been fantastic. They've requested samples, and will make 40 micron slices. They will be sending samples to other universities and anotherto friends at the Smithsonian Institution for further analysis andexpert opinion.This is the type of response I was hoping from the meteorite community but never received. I received a great deal of ridicule. The exceptionare the few scientists that helped answer some of my questions. To them,my thanks and appreciation.

As of this moment,only a few samples are know to exist,the author of venusmeteorite.com and myself thus making themeven more rare than Martianmeteorites. Score 34 for the Martians and approximately 18for the ___? You fill in the blank. (Venusians, Mercurians, nut-bags, idiots, Spaceslaggers, whatever...)

My wife suggested that I auction one to help with our costs.Let me 

[meteorite-list] Lost on the way to Mike's auction

2007-02-18 Thread E.P. Grondine
Hi Mike - 

I don't want to opine about posting the prices, but I
did loose Stefan from Chladni's Heirs on the way to
your auction - how about flyers with a nice large
simple map on the back next year? 

good hunting,
Ed

--- Darryl Pitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 
 the macovich auction---where there was always staff
 to accommodate  
 immediate payment  property pick-up---is returning
 to tucson next year.
 
 
 
 On Feb 8, 2007, at 3:54 PM, Jim Strope wrote:
 
  I did NOT volunteer to offer my services for $100-
 to be your check  
  out
  person but I am sure you can find some intelligent
 college student  
  at the U
  of A that would be happy to do the service for a
 Hundred Bucks and  
  free
  beer.  (Beer to be consumed after the auction, of
 course).
 
 
  Jim Strope
  421 Fourth Street
  Glen Dale, WV  26038
 
  http://www.catchafallingstar.com
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Jim Strope [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite
 List
  meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
  Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 3:45 PM
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS -
 Blood and Lang
 
 
 
  Hi All,
 Just got back from the big one.
 Haven't come close to reading all my 473
 emails, but I am more
  convinced than ever that the lack of an
 additional check out person
  at my auction is, indeed, a situation in need of
 correcting. My plan
  for this year fell through at the last minute but
 I am now more
  determined than ever to correct this problem once
 and for all.
 Imagine my delight in hearing Jim Strope
 is willing to
  perform that duty for only $100! Yippie! You're
 hired, Jim!
  Please, everyone, let Jim know how grateful you
 are for being
  willing to take care of this for us all. It will
 make the final buy
  outs go twice as quickly, as well.
 I also read that people are increasingly
 wanting auction  
  prices
  listed and even show dealers are chiming in in
 favor of this (at  
  least
  in one instance - haven't been able to read all
 posts, as mentioned -
  and I do see that as another appropriate list
 topic) and I am,  
  therefore,
  reconsidering this, as my major issue in the past
 has been regarding
  the feelings of the show dealers on this issue. I
 will make a  
  decision
  in the next day or two and, if in favor of
 posting prices, will do so
  via the on-line catalog. I am currently leaning
 in favor of doing so,
  but if I do, the list will remain posted for like
 30 days, not all  
  year.
  I would like to hear PRIVATELY from any and all
 dealers on this
  issue in the next 24 hrs. Please contact me
 directly via email with
  POSTING AUCTION PRICES in the subject box so
 that I read
  your opinion immediately. While I am not stating
 I will automatically
  go with the majority opinion on this, it will be
 the major  
  determining
  factor in making up my mind on this particular
 issue - and there is
  no need for this particular topic to be bantered
 about on the list.

 
 As for all other details (timing of
 sellers being paid,  
  buyers'
  credit card processing, absentee bidders being
 notified, etc) will be
  handled one on one,  as per announcements prior
 to the auction - not
  via the Meteorite List newsletter where these are
 not appropriate
  topics.
 Best wishes to all, Michael
  (PS: My name is not Blood, it is Michael Blood.
 If you do not  
  choose
  to use my first name it is then appropriate to
 place Mr. in  
  front of
  my family name. We are not raw recruits in the
 military nor High
  School jerks - though some times I wonder about
 the latter)
 
 
 
 
 
  on 2/8/07 8:41 AM, Jim Strope at
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
  Obviously, a lack of staff results in less than
 optimum customer  
  service.
  Perhaps spending an extra $100- to hire someone
 to check out  
  bidders who
  want to leave would have a positive impact on
 the auction results  
  as a
  whole.  I personally know of at least two
 collectors who refused to
  attend
  an auction because of lack of customer service. 
 I also  
  personally know
  of
  one collector who left without paying because he
 got tired of  
  waiting.
 
  Hopefully, next year will be a more pleasant
 experience.
 
  Jim Strope
  421 Fourth Street
  Glen Dale, WV  26038
 
  http://www.catchafallingstar.com
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Moni Waiblinger-Seabridge
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED];
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
  Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 11:31 AM
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS -
 Blood and Lang
 
 
 
  Hi Jim and All,
 
  I also go to an auction and it is the same as
 you describe.
  I think if you have to wait until all the
 auction is done, it is  
  simply
  because there isn't enough staff.
  At the auction I attend, there is two
 auctioneers that take  
  turns and
  then
  about three 

Re: [meteorite-list] ID help, meteorwrong meteorite galleries, my collection, meteorite forum, field museum pics

2007-02-18 Thread Christian Anger
Hi Joe,

you have to use gloves. The acid ruins your fingers !!

take care,

Christian



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 11:31 PM
To: meteorite list
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ID help, meteorwrong  meteorite galleries,my 
collection, meteorite
forum, field museum pics

Hello all,
   Lately in the SkyRock Cafe Meteorite Forum there has been lots of talk on 
etching meteorites and
the different ways in doing so. I decided to do a demonstration of the way that 
I etch, I hope this
helps someone.
http://illinoismeteorites.com/etching%20odessa.htm
Here is the link to the page with many photos and descriptions of what I am 
doing.

Enjoy,
Joe Kerchner
illinoismeteorites.com
- Original Message 
From: Joe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: meteorite list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 1:10:33 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] ID help, meteorwrong  meteorite galleries, my 
collection, meteorite
forum, field museum pics
Hello list,
 Once again I have added many photo and discriptions to me webpage. My 
meteorwrong page now has
description fro each wrong. I have also added a new photo gallery page. In a 
day or so I will be
addin at least a hundred new meteorites, slices, individuals, fragments, and 
micros. Also I am going
to be adding a how toc etch section, there will be many photos and a short 
video, I will be using
two methods, the normal one and one my wife found on her first etch by making 
a mistake. These
should all be done by friday, but many new photos have been added in the past 
few days. Awsome new
pieces in my collection, I have been buying irons and stony iron mostly. I have 
posted links to a
few of the links to some pages on my website.
Take a look:

Homepage:
http://illinoismeteorites.com/
My Collection:
http://illinoismeteorites.com/collection.htm
Meteorwrong gallery:
http://illinoismeteorites.com/meteorwrongs.htm
Field mesuem collection:
http://illinoismeteorites.com/field_museum_collection_page.htm
Meteorite id help:
http://illinoismeteorites.com/meteorite_identification.htm
Photo Gallery:
http://illinoismeteorites.com/gallery_page_1.htm
Meteorite Forum
http://illinoismeteorites.com/yabb/YaBB.pl

Thanks, I hope you all enjoy these photos,
Joe Kerchner


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Re: [meteorite-list] Eastern Oregon Meteorite on Ebay

2007-02-18 Thread Edwin Thompson


There have been many rock shops in Oregon over the years that have sold fragments of Canyon Diablo and Odessa iron meteorites. Many of these irons where purchased in Tucson by rock shop owners and Oregon collectors who encountered one of the many old timey meteorite dealers in Tucson like the Schultz brothers or Glenn Huss or HH Nininger or the Sullivans. Lots of mineral dealers also featured the Arizona irons because they were fairly easy to get by stopping at the Meteorite Museum in Sedona on the way to or from The Tucson Show where many rock shop owners go to stop up for the year. Of course there were and still are lots of other ways to come across an old classic iron like Canyon Diablo.
This iron featured on Ebay is obviously a transported C.D. Probably a family heirloom from great grandpa's rock collection. It looks like an older surface found specimen with classic Coconino County, northern Arizona Caliche on it just like most of the specimens collected in the early days by Nininger.
There are only four meteorites found so far in Oregon; Klamath Falls - iron, Sam's Valley - iron, Salem - stone (witnessed fall) and last but not least, Willamette - iron.
Many ofwe Oregon residents have spent years searching for Oregon meteorite number five. Unfortunately, if a piece of this specimen is sent to UCLA or Cascadia Meteorite Laboratory for testing, it will no doubt be classified as yetanother transported Canyon Diablo.
I would like for this to be Oregon's next find. Sadly, it looks like another hoax much like the Port Orford meteorite which turned out to be a transported piece of Imilac brought here to generate a bit of excitement and ended up created what is now considered to be the most sought after (and as yet unfound) meteorite in recorded history. For those of you that don't know the story, it is said to pe a pallasite the size of a prairie schooner!

Cheers, Edwin



From: "GREG LINDH" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "Norm Lehrman" [EMAIL PROTECTED]CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] Eastern Oregon Meteorite on EbayDate: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 17:07:39 -0700




 Yeah, a Canyon Diablo with "whiteout".


 Regards,
 Geeg



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To: Martin Altmann ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 4:52 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Eastern Oregon Meteorite on Ebay
Martin,For an extra thousand dollars, rocks in Arizona couldcrawl to Oregon! Maybe this is the beginning of amigration!Regards,Normhttp://TektiteSource.com--- Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: But how did that Canyon Diablo found its way to Oregon??  Buckleboo!  -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Norm Lehrman Gesendet: 
Samstag, 17. Februar 2007 23:11 An: Mike Fowler; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Mike Fowler Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Eastern Oregon Meteorite on Ebay  Mike  all,  That did look like a winner, but too bad about the crumby documentation. The seller didn't seem very interested in providing anything but platitudes.  The caliche crusts were right for eastern Oregon.  Cheers, Norm  --- Mike Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   Hi List,Did any of you see this meteorite on ebay? 23 oz  sold for 
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[meteorite-list] AD: Presidents Day Sale 10% Off

2007-02-18 Thread RYAN PAWELSKI
Good Evening List..

As many of you may already know, I just put together a temporary website and 
(..low and behold) I'm already looking to clear out the remaining inventory 
before I post some new stuff. So, I would like to offer 10% off whatever is 
left on the site for the next 24 hours, beginning at midnight (cst). FREE USPS 
Priority Mail postage as well.

Just go to www.fallingfusion.com and let me know what interests you. Paypal 
accepted. 

Also, I believe this post puts me over my ad limit for the week.. so I do 
apologize for that.

Thanks everyone..

Ryan


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