[meteorite-list] Meso Origins...was Mesosiderite?
Hello Gary,List As to the question of why mesosiderites don't contain chondrules... Mesosiderites are almost identical chemically. So much so, we believe they came from a single incident; that being the collision of two asteroids, at least one of them (if not both) was differentiated to the extent of having an iron core. The iron composition is that of the IIIAB group of iron meteorites. Being differentiated means they had sufficient size to accumulate heat through the decay of isotopic Al26 and hold that temperature high enough and long enough to melt the original chondritic material. Over time this separated into denser iron and lighter silicates, thus the term differentiate. This process is the origin of asteroidal achondrites as well. In the case of mesosiderites, current wisdom holds this was a ballistic mixing of the silicates from one or both asteroids into the probably molten core of the target body. The disruption of the target body likely stripped away the insulating layer (or induced a centrifugal spin)which cooled too quickly to completely rediffernetate. Simple photo identification is dicey for there can be round/oval blebs of iron similar to what is found in the bencubbenites, but the silicate content shouldn't have any identifiable chondrites. I have noticed some NWA H-Chondrites which so much iron it covers as much as 25-30% of the cut surface, and on casual inspection looks not unlike some mesosiderites. On the other hand the most mesos seem to have an irregular surface which doesn't show the typical smoothness typical of chondrites. I assume that Steve and I, when we called your specimen an H, were going by the apparent chondrules. Elton __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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[meteorite-list] SIKHOTE-ALIN
Dear list members, After posting several photos of list members sikhote-alin specimens I wanted to share this with all of you. http://spacerocksinc.com/SA10400.html Sincerely, Michael Johnson SPACE ROCKS, INC. http://www.spacerocksinc.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] SIKHOTE-ALIN
Beautiful! I love the fresh look of this SA. Gary http://www.meteorite-dealers.com On 18 Feb 2007 at 15:08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear list members, After posting several photos of list members sikhote-alin specimens I wanted to share this with all of you. http://spacerocksinc.com/SA10400.html Sincerely, Michael Johnson SPACE ROCKS, INC. http://www.spacerocksinc.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] SIKHOTE-ALIN
Absolutely Superior. Enjoy your marvelous good shopping fortune. I'm sure you'll gain continued pleasure possessiing and ponderiing this georgous specimen now and forever as it adorns your collection. I hope this supplements the ongoing discussion as to whether Irons enjoy a Fusion Crust. Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 3:08 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] SIKHOTE-ALIN Dear list members, After posting several photos of list members sikhote-alin specimens I wanted to share this with all of you. http://spacerocksinc.com/SA10400.html Sincerely, Michael Johnson SPACE ROCKS, INC. http://www.spacerocksinc.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] SIKHOTE-ALIN
Michael Johnson: Dear list members, After posting several photos of list members Sikhote-Alin specimens I wanted to share this with all of you: http://spacerocksinc.com/SA10400.html Gary: Beautiful! I love the fresh look of this SA. Jerry: Absolutely superior. Bernd: Absolutely gorgeous. Sincere congratulations! Bernd - proud owner of 21 SA specimens with a total weight of 1869.7 grams __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] SIKHOTE-ALIN
Hello Michael, I very cool looking piece, NICE. Tim Heitz - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 2:08 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] SIKHOTE-ALIN Dear list members, After posting several photos of list members sikhote-alin specimens I wanted to share this with all of you. http://spacerocksinc.com/SA10400.html Sincerely, Michael Johnson SPACE ROCKS, INC. http://www.spacerocksinc.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Sikhote-Alin details and thumbprints
SA specialist and photographic artist Geoff N. wrote: As we know, the average size of thumbprints on Sikhote-Alin individuals increases in proportion to the size of the individual. In other words: if you have a piece in your collection whose regmaglypt size correlates with the specimen's size, you can be relatively sure that you have a piece that was not spalled off a larger mass. If the thumbprints are too large with regard to the specimen size, it fragmented from a larger mass. But how do you know? Well, just divide the average regmaglypt diameter by the size (length) of your specimen. According to Buchwald, you should get this: The ratio between the diameter of the regmaglypts and of the fragments ranges from 0.05 to 0.25, with the majority giving 0.08-0.10, for specimens 5-45 cm in size. Reference: BUCHWALD V.F. (1975) Iron Meteorites (UCLA, 1975, Vol.3, pp. 1123-1130). BUCHWALD V.F. (1975) Iron Meteorites (Univ. of California, 1975, Vol.1 , p. 18 / Vol. 3, p. 1126): Date of fall: Feb 12, 1947 Time: 10.38 a.m. (local time) Direction: N = S (10-15° east of north) Initial inclination:41° The initial declination had increased to 60-70° at the time of impact (zenith angle about 49°). Apparent diameter of the bolide:600m (with its luminous envelope). Length of smoke trail: 33 ± 9 km Dust trail observed for several hours. Brightness of bolide: exceeded that of the sun (about - 26) Point of complete breakup: 4 - 6 km (Hemmungspunkt) Initial velocity: 14.5 km/s Geocentric velocity: 9.2 km/s Heliocentric velocity:37 km/s Preatmospheric mass:1000 t Radius of light and sound phenomena:300 - 400 km Largest fragment: 1.745 kg Specimens collected:8.500 Total weight:23 tons It is estimated that a total of 70 tons fell, including dust. Impact holes: 122 (¢ 0.5 - 26 m/ 1 - 12 m) Scatter ellipse:1.6 km^2 ( N = S = 2.1 km /E = W = 1.0 km ) A smaller ellipse of 0.75 x 0.30 km was found to exist. Final velocities: 0.1 - 1 km/s Best wishes, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Sikhote-Alin details and thumbprints
I had not noticed the relational size between regs and specimen sizes, but now that you point them out it seems obvious. I wonder what else I miss that is obvious? :) Gary On 18 Feb 2007 at 22:09, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As we know, the average size of thumbprints on Sikhote-Alin individuals increases in proportion to the size of the individual. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - Martian NWA 4527 Ending Monday Morning
Dear List Members, At about 10:00 AM Monday morning Florida time, I have the remaining pieces of NWA 4527, a new Shergottite, ending on eBay under my seller name NaturesVault. Here are the direct links to these eight auctions: NWA 4527 Martian Shergorttite (Very Low TKW): 438mg Complete Slice (Largest Available) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemih=008sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITviewitem=item=180085893073rd=1rd=1 416mg Complete Slice http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemih=008sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITviewitem=item=180085893543rd=1rd=1 298mg Part Slice http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemih=008sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITviewitem=item=180085893894rd=1rd=1 248mg Part Slice http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemih=008sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITviewitem=item=180085894209rd=1rd=1 92mg Part End Cut http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemih=008sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITviewitem=item=180085894587rd=1rd=1 74mg Part End Cut http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemih=008sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITviewitem=item=180085895227rd=1rd=1 34mg of Pieces http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemih=008sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITviewitem=item=180085895919rd=1rd=1 644mg of Cutting Material http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemih=008sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITviewitem=item=180085896635rd=1rd=1 Have fun looking, and if you are bidding, Good Luck! Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] www.venusmeteorite.com - What is a meteoroid?
MeteoriteKid, You wrote: With 'meteoroids,' however, (the definition of which tends to mean dust-sized, That implied my using the term meteoroid was incorrect, however that was not what I found searching for the actual definition. Wikipedia: The current International Astronomical Union (IAU) definition dates back to the XIth General Assembly, held in 1961: A solid object moving in interplanetary space, of a size considerably smaller than an asteroid and considerably larger than an atom or molecule. As a result of the inexorable progress of instrumentation, this definition is now deemed by many as unacceptably vague. The most common definition was proposed in 1995 [1] and sets the size limits of meteoroids to between 100 µm and 10 m across. Larger than that, the object is an asteroid; smaller than that, it is interplanetary dust. #2 NASA website How do you get so much energy out of a 3-inch meteoroid? Leonids travel fastabout 144,000 mph, he explains. At that speed, even a 3-inch rock packs tremendous energy. I believe I was correct in using the term meteoroid. Randall - Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out.__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] www.venusmeteorite.com - what are your opinions on this claim
Dear Mr. Gregory: At 02:34 13-02-07 Tuesday, you wrote: Simply put, what testing can definitively differentiate a rock from space and a rock from the earth? Answer: The presence of nuclides that are the products of reactions with cosmic-rays - nuclides that can only be produced in space (that is, on a body with no atmosphere). Do a Google search on cosmic ray exposure age and there's lots of info. If anyone can provide me with photos of rocks with identical characteristics to the photos on the venusmeteorite.com website or the photos I'm enclosing, I will gladly transfer $250 to your account. Trust me, you'll be saving me a ton of money and we can put this baby to bed. I don't want the $250, but I have seen photos of rocks (one in particular) that look remarkably (!) like the alleged Venusian meteorites: http://meteorites.wustl.edu/meteorwrongs/m079.htm ~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+ Randy L. Korotev Research Associate Professor Washington University in Saint Louis Department of Earth Planetary Sciences __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] www.venusmeteorite.com - what are your opinions on this claim
Jason, Thank you for responding to my questions. I am also trying to gain a self-meteoriticized education. I was unaware of the attachment rule. PS - Attachments aren't supposed to be posted to the list, per list guidelines - you ask people if they want them and then send out privately... And if that pic's of a 'Venusian meteorite,' you should head out to Ludlow, CA, because there's a hell of a big area out there covered in beautiful desert-varnished basalt - I mean Venusian meteorites - just like that, with some pieces weighing a good few hundred pounds..downflow from Amboy Crater, a beautiful cindercone Unfortunately, I can not head out to Ludlow, CA to see the desert-varnish basalt, but I can assure you that it is not desert varnish. Wikipedia definintion of desert varnish Originally scientists thought that desert varnish was made from substances drawn out of the rocks it coats. Microscopic and microchemical observations, however, show that a major part of varnish is clay (which could only arrive by wind). Clay, then, acts as a substrate to catch additional substances that chemically react together when the rock reaches high temperatures in the desert sun. Wetting by dew is also important in the process. The varnish is primarily composed of particles of clay along with iron and manganese oxides. Another important characteristic of desert varnish is that it has an unusually high concentration of manganese. Manganese is relatively rare in the earth's crust, making up only 0.12% of its weight. In desert varnish, however, manganese is 50 to 60 times more abundant. This significant enrichment is thought to be caused by biochemical processes (many species of bacteria use manganese). I've already had basic mineralogical testing on my samples. (Remember, I have been working with the geologists at the National University of Peru). The mineralogical composition of the fusion crust is identical to the composition of the matrix. The analysis of the matrix, whole rock, and a cut/slice of the fusion crust show a very low concentration of Fe and Mn. The actual values are: Fe 4.93%, Mg 1.48%, Mn .23%, and Ni 69 ppm. The samples I have and the samples on venusmeteorite.com are not desert varnish. I know what desert varnish looks like. I've spent a great deal of time in the desert and have seen many rocks with desert varnish. With the cooperation of the UNSA geologist, it was ruled-out early in the analysis. Varnish is additive to the underlying matrix. One volcanologist said that it may be possible that my samples could be wind-polished basalt. This is a real possibility that I am currently pursuing beside the fact that the samples came from a prehistoric alluvial plain and showed evidence that there was an impact. Is it possible that a basaltic rock bubbled up and subsequently polished by the wind. Yes, it might be possible. I view it as unlikely due to the extreme hardness of this particular basalt (8 mohs), but it is a possibility, and I will not rule out ANY possibility. He has requested a sample which I will be sending out when I travel to Lima in the next few weeks. The extreme hardness of my samples has been puzzling to myself and the geologists at UNSA. My sample exceeds the natural hardness of basalt. In fact, it exceeds the hardness of quartz, which is considered to be the hardest naturally occurring mineral. Quartz hardness is 8.0, and my samples exceed 8.0 on the Mohs scale. Currently, the only known method of creating basalt harder than quartz is to grind it, apply a special heat treatment at 1300°C where it re-crystallises, giving it extreme Hardness: 8-9 on the Mohs scale. This process is known as cast-basalt. Where you would normally expect basalt to streak on quartz I have a picture showing how quartz streaks on my basaltic sample and I also have a video of the area showing the natural state (baby-powder fine sand) If you're interested, I'll send them off-topic. Best Regards, Randall Jason Utas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hell, here are a few more of some random ones. Jason On 2/15/07, Jason Utas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a pair of pics of my favorite cratered Sikhote. Jason On 2/15/07, Jason Utas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Randall, With my self-meteoriticized education, I might be able to help with at least a few of your questions... On 2/14/07, Randall Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mr. Webb,McCafferty and any interested parties on the list. If you don't mind, coud you please answer a couple of questions? Could your Martian impact scenario apply to ejecta from Mercury? http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2003/pdf/1933.pdf The spatial density (number per unit volume) of meteoroids varies as a function of distance from the sun, distance from a planet, ecliptic
Re: [meteorite-list] ID help, meteorwrong meteorite galleries, my collection, meteorite forum, field museum pics
Hello all, Lately in the SkyRock Cafe Meteorite Forum there has been lots of talk on etching meteorites and the different ways in doing so. I decided to do a demonstration of the way that I etch, I hope this helps someone. http://illinoismeteorites.com/etching%20odessa.htm Here is the link to the page with many photos and descriptions of what I am doing. Enjoy, Joe Kerchner illinoismeteorites.com - Original Message From: Joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 1:10:33 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] ID help, meteorwrong meteorite galleries, my collection, meteorite forum, field museum pics Hello list, Once again I have added many photo and discriptions to me webpage. My meteorwrong page now has description fro each wrong. I have also added a new photo gallery page. In a day or so I will be addin at least a hundred new meteorites, slices, individuals, fragments, and micros. Also I am going to be adding a how toc etch section, there will be many photos and a short video, I will be using two methods, the normal one and one my wife found on her first etch by making a mistake. These should all be done by friday, but many new photos have been added in the past few days. Awsome new pieces in my collection, I have been buying irons and stony iron mostly. I have posted links to a few of the links to some pages on my website. Take a look: Homepage: http://illinoismeteorites.com/ My Collection: http://illinoismeteorites.com/collection.htm Meteorwrong gallery: http://illinoismeteorites.com/meteorwrongs.htm Field mesuem collection: http://illinoismeteorites.com/field_museum_collection_page.htm Meteorite id help: http://illinoismeteorites.com/meteorite_identification.htm Photo Gallery: http://illinoismeteorites.com/gallery_page_1.htm Meteorite Forum http://illinoismeteorites.com/yabb/YaBB.pl Thanks, I hope you all enjoy these photos, Joe Kerchner Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited.__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - New NWA 4679, Carbonaceous CK4, Special Sale
Hello List, we would like to introduce our new Meteorite NWA 4679. It's an rare CK4, very interesting and beautiful material. The classification of it is in progress, but it's for sure that it's an CK4. Here are the data we have: Name: NWA 4679 (provisional) Class CK4 Shockgrade: S2 Weathering: W3 TKW: 735g. More data will follow, we will publish them later at our website. The meteorite shows nice big clasts, probably of a higher petrological type, CK5. Some slices we offer show big barred chondrules, not often seen in carbonaceous chondrites! Today we start a special sale of this rare material, the price is between $15-$18/g. This is only for this special sale. All slices are cut very thin, big surface in relation to the weight! Take a look here: http://www.gi-po.de/ebayfolder/shop/carbopre/carbo.htm Don't miss this one! Thanks for looking. Carsten. *** gipometeorites http://www.gi-po.de Carsten Giessler [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Illinois Meteorites
Hello all, I like Bill am having trouble finding Illinois Meteorites on the market for collectors. If anybody has extra, after taking care of Bill of coarse, I would be very happy to purchase some. contact off list if you can help. Thanks, Joe Kerchner illinoismeteorites.com - Original Message From: Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 12:29:15 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad Illinois Meteorites Hi all, Interesting for those of us that care about Illinois meteorites. Joe certainly works hard. I never really thought about how difficult it is to buy a specimen from Illinois until I tried. I can't find any offerings for anything other than PF. The latest fireworks in SW Central got me all worked up. Anybody got a piece? Offline of course ;) Bill __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] the lunar meeorite from morocco
there all members of list . i'm mohamed ait ouzrou , from morocco i think that majorite of list know me , so in the link below are some wonder pieces if some one like them can contact me , in the adress email [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.4shared.com/file/10828031/925d185c/lunar_meteorites_for_sale.html good health to all list , Mohamed ait ouzrou - Découvrez une nouvelle façon d'obtenir des réponses à toutes vos questions ! Profitez des connaissances, des opinions et des expériences des internautes sur Yahoo! Questions/Réponses.__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] www.venusmeteorite.com - attachments
I apologize for sending attachments. I was unaware of the rule. Randall - Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Just a thought about NWA classification numbers
Hi Howard, What we have is a can of worms!Tom __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] wanted - micromount of whitula creek and maroo
Listoids I am trying to track down where to purchase a micro of Maroo and Whitula Creek Please contact me off-list if you are able to assist Thanx__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Suspected meteorite. Basaltic rock with a fusion crust. Your opinion please, terrestrial origin?
Aloha, Thank you for your reply and taking the time to look at my photos. I remember Hawaii very well having spent a great deal of time on the Big Island. Most of my in-laws live in Hawaii. Some on the Big Island (Kona area), Honolulu (Mott Smith Dr.) and McCandless Ranch (Keith Unger). I married his sister Jenine Unger. Anyway, what I can tell you is that they are not obsidian related due to the total lack of glass. Right now I am in Arequipa, Peru and as you are well aware, is volcanically active (Ubinas) and seismically active (Of which I am occassionally reminded) Trust me, tremblors are not fun. :( Obsidian is relatively common and professors at the National University here in Arequipa have examined the stone. Obsidian and desert varnish have been ruled-out. Wind-polished lava is a distinct possibility at this time. My understanding is wind-polishing is a removal process and would tend to smooth out the surface. Would it be possible to send you a sample (whole rock and cut slice) when I return to the United States? If so, what are the requirements for a thin section. You will be free to keep both for your collection if you desire as the rocks are quite beautiful and unique. Randall John Lockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! I can't be sure from photos. I have seen wind-abraded obsidian ventifacts in desert environments that look like this, but their compositions would be very fifferent from any possible meteorite. They would also show glass composition in thin section or x-ray. Pretty easy to tell difference in a lab. They well could be meteorites - direct inspection is needed.. Aloha, Jack At 02:55 PM 02/15/2007, you wrote: I found this black basaltic rock close to a documented fall in the Peruvian desert but far from any volcanos. Could I have your opinion as to whether you have seen this exact type of rock in any of your field expeditions? Randall Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. John P. (Jack) Lockwood, Ph.D.. Consulting Volcanologist --- CPG-9806 P.O. Box 479, Volcano, Hawaii 96785 USA [Physical Address: 19-4260 Alanui Iiwi, Volcano, Hawaii, 96785] Tel: 1-808-967-8579, FAX: 1-808-967-8525 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Web Pages: http://www.volcanologist.com - Check out the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster.__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: New Temporary Website
I like the basic set up but the site logo is hard to read, the yellow on gray has very little contrast. In the gallery section I would also make the pictures link to the page of the For Sale Items. What are the dimensions of the 125 gram Estherville? __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Suspected meteorite. Basaltic rock with a fusion crust. Your opinion please, terrestrial origin?
Aloha, Thank you for your reply and taking the time to look at my photos. I remember Hawaii very well having spent a great deal of time on the Big Island. Most of my in-laws live in Hawaii. Some on the Big Island (Kona area), Honolulu (Mott Smith Dr.) and McCandless Ranch (Keith Unger). I married his sister Jenine Unger. Anyway, what I can tell you is that they are not obsidian related due to the total lack of glass. Right now I am in Arequipa, Peru and as you are well aware, is volcanically active (Ubinas) and seismically active (Of which I am occassionally reminded) Trust me, tremblors are not fun. :( Obsidian is relatively common and professors at the National University here in Arequipa have examined the stone. Obsidian and desert varnish have been ruled-out. Wind-polished lava is a distinct possibility at this time. My understanding is wind-polishing is a removal process and would tend to smooth out the surface. Would it be possible to send you a sample (whole rock and cut slice) when I return to the United States? If so, what are the requirements for a thin section. You will be free to keep both for your collection if you desire as the rocks are quite beautiful and unique. Randall John Lockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! I can't be sure from photos. I have seen wind-abraded obsidian ventifacts in desert environments that look like this, but their compositions would be very fifferent from any possible meteorite. They would also show glass composition in thin section or x-ray. Pretty easy to tell difference in a lab. They well could be meteorites - direct inspection is needed.. Aloha, Jack At 02:55 PM 02/15/2007, you wrote: I found this black basaltic rock close to a documented fall in the Peruvian desert but far from any volcanos. Could I have your opinion as to whether you have seen this exact type of rock in any of your field expeditions? Randall Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. John P. (Jack) Lockwood, Ph.D.. Consulting Volcanologist --- CPG-9806 P.O. Box 479, Volcano, Hawaii 96785 USA [Physical Address: 19-4260 Alanui Iiwi, Volcano, Hawaii, 96785] Tel: 1-808-967-8579, FAX: 1-808-967-8525 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Web Pages: http://www.volcanologist.com - We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list.__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Suspected meteorite. Basaltic rock with a fusion crust. Your opinion please, terrestrial origin?
John, Thank you for your prompt reply and offer of assistance, All I can say is, WOW. It is indeed a small world. I'm sorry you never had the opportunity to view Misti and the other dormant ring volcanoes here in Arequipa. In the early morning when the air is clear, it is truly an amazing sight. I also hope that when you were in Cusco that you had a chance to visit Machu Picchu and Sacred Valley. My wife and I asked the park director for special permission to spend the night in Machu Picchu since park closes around dusk. I made a little donation to his Annual Machu Picchu Christmas Party Fund ;) The informal system here in Peru. I love it!! Needless to say, it was a very moving and somewhat spiritual experience. Part of the night was spent in the arena where the Inca's sacrificed children to their Gods. We tried to imagine what their night-time ceremonies were like. Quite tragic. The Incan architecture is mind-boggling in its scope and precision, and how they have fresh flowing water on top of that mountain is still somewhat of a mystery to me. We had Machu Picchu totally to ourselves for an entire night. I'll never forget it. Like the night Manta dives in Kona... memories to last a lifetime. Whoops, digressing here. Back to the problem. I'm a layperson with no formal training in Geology, Volcanology, or Cosmo-chemistry. I am searching for the truth about these rocks and so far, nobody in the meteorite community can positively identify them as meteorites. Most of them have very little field experience and have attempted to offer opinions as to what they might be. Alot of the responders have said desert varnish and obsidian type of rocks. Both of these have been ruled-out by the geologists here in Peru at the National University of San Augustin. I'll give you a brief background. I love to collect minerals and fossils. I was looking for nice but inexpensive piece of native Peruvian jewelry for my wife when I noticed this very unique stone. I asked the dealer from what area this rock came from and he told me the Aplao area. Just out of curiosity, I asked a friend where Aplao was. He said that's where the big meteorite fell. After investigated further, I found that this was not just a fall, but one of the largest falls in recent history. It registered 4.0 Richter at multiple seismic stations. More of the story can be found at: http://www.geocities.com/astroycpa/meteoritoaqp2feb2004.html After some time, people stopped looking for the crater. Since there is only around 160 known craters I felt the information on this fresh fall could provide the scientific community with very valuable information. To make a very long story short, I spent months organizing expeditions into the Peruvian desert and finally found the crater. Some geologists, who are now close friends, have accompanied me on these expeditions. They taught me a great deal about the desert environment. I also found the same type of rocks in the general area of the crater as the one I purchased in the jewelry store. During that time, I researched the Internet on meteorites, looked at hundreds of meteorite images, consulted with geologists and seismologists, and solicited opinions of respect people in the meteorite community. Unfortunately, the meteorite community has a tainted eye. Some have been very nice and offered genuine advice and opinions. Others have ridiculed me and had me run the gauntlet. To date, nobody has yet identified this rocks as terrestrial or non-terrestrial. One very unusual characterize of my samples is that they are absolutely identical to the first few images on www.venusmeteorite.com . The author of this website claims his rocks have a Venusian origin. I don't make any claims. I just want to find the truth. Since, I am unable to prove my samples are meteorites, I've decided to take the opposite approach and try to prove they're terrestrial. This is why I asked for your help. I hope you've had the experience of going to Green Sand Beach at South Point. If you have then you'll remember the wind farm. I talked to the supervisor of the wind farm one day and he told me that when digging the cables for the wind turbines, the contractor almost went bankrupt because the lava was so extremely hard. Preliminary testing has shown my samples exceed 8.0 (Mohs). In your experience, can lava exceed 8.0 (mohs) ? I know special heat treatments to basalt can raise their hardness level. In your estimation, what kind of heat is needed to raise the hardness of basalt. Could volcanic reheating of existing basalt accomplish this? I'm still in Peru, but as soon as I return to the United States, I'll send you what I have. What would cover your total costs? Just out of curiosity, do you live on the Big Island? I hope on the dry side! Aloha, Randall
[meteorite-list] Sikhote-Alin Picture of the Day - February 17, 2007
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Re: [meteorite-list] www.venusmeteorite.com - what are youropinions on this claim
Mr. Gallo, Thank you for your prompt reply and for also taking the time and effort to have your friend look at the photos. Maybe it's the glassy apperance of my samples that misleads a person to think they are obsidian related. My samples contain absolutely no glass and are not glassy like obsidian is. Peruvian geologists ruled-out obsidian and obsidian-related minerals very early in this analysis. If you look at the caption on the bottom of the picture, it reads: This dark well-exposed glassy unit can also be found on other locations miles away, Vitrophyre is another name for phenocryst-bearing obsidian. I now refer you to the the recent post where I have contacted a volcanologist in Hawaii. As you know, volcanologists are geologist that specialize in the study of lava, magma, and anything related to volcanos. I am looking now to volcanologists for terrestrial establishment. Unfortunately, I do not have as yet, whole rock analysis. When I return to the United States I will procure whole rock testing using INNA. Again, thank you for your reply. Randall gian paolo gallo gallo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hola again. Here some pictures of the Shoshone Mountain . Location: State Highway 178, ~ 4 miles east of Shoshone. Different colored (yellowish) strata are displayed but all of it is just tuff. Lake basin sediments top different flavors of tuff. The biggest crack in the wall is a nice example of normal faulting. Dense, west-dipping Dense, west-dipping vitrophyre (black band) drags students attention. This dark, well-exposed glassy unit can be also found on other locations for miles away. Vitrophyre is another name for phenocryst-bearing obsidian- Hola Mr. Randall . We sent your case to a geologist venezuelan friend and he said that both stones are a basaltic rich potassium magma stones, named SHOSHONITE, and they can be found in Mount Shoshone in Montana, USA, and central Andes cordillera Mountains, that is in Perù. Bolivia and Chile, Hope this help you and us to clear the subjet, because the geologist profesor friend, says that they are of terrestrial origin. Our best regards, Poalo Gallo - From: Randall Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gian paolo gallo gallo [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] www.venusmeteorite.com - what are youropinions on this claim Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 07:26:50 -0800 (PST) Mr. Gallo, Thank you for your reply. I am very anxious to see the pictures of the rock that you found. If you could please provide a few good close-ups taken in both natural (sunlight) and indoor flash showing details in the fusion crust and the internal matrix. I will take into account color variations. The picture on venusmeteorite.com apparently was shot indoors and mine outdoors. I used a Nikon F100 with Fuji Provia professional film. I don't expect professional photos, but I would like them to be of high quality. I am enclosing another picture of my rock and the picture in venusmeteorite.com to help you in your assessment of your rock. Please compare the two pictures noting the fusion crust and internal matrix. If at all possible, could you also provide information as to where the rock was found, why this particular rock was collected, and what do you believe it is. I will gladly hold true to my offer if indeed the rock is identical to the one on venusmeteorite.com and my rock. The $250 bucks will be immediately sent to you upon confirmation. But, I also want you to understand that your rock can't be somewhat similar, it has to be identical. If we should disagree, I will ask other members of this forum for their assessment.. My sample is absolutely identical to the first few pictures in venusmeteorite.com. He found his in Utah, I found mine in Peru. Sincerely, Randall gian paolo gallo gallo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Saludos , Mr Randall. Greetings from Venezuela. We have found a stone here in our State, that looks like somewhat the basalt looking stone of venusmeteorites.com. We are sending you a picture of it, hope it will help you and you will help us with the 250 bucks. Best regards, Paolo Gallo, M.V. - From: Randall Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED],meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Randall Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED],Andrei Olkhovatov [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] www.venusmeteorite.com - what are youropinions on this claim Date: Tue,
[meteorite-list] AD for 3 meteorites
Hi List Members, This is the first time I have posted a Ad on the met list but my collecting focus has changed somewhat so I have decided to sell some of my specimens. I am starting with the 3 below and I am also considering selling my full slice of NWA 1929 and a few others as well. I have no website so if you are interested please contact me off list for pictures. 1) 87.7 gram NWA 2224 CV3 slice for $375.00 2) 20.7 gram Unclassified Euc or How complete slice for $125.00 3) 5.4 gram Abee EH4 slice for $375.00 Thanks, Jake__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Eastern Oregon Meteorite on Ebay
Yeah, a Canyon Diablo with whiteout. Regards, Geeg - Original Message - From: Norm Lehrmanmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin Altmannmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.commailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Eastern Oregon Meteorite on Ebay Martin, For an extra thousand dollars, rocks in Arizona could crawl to Oregon! Maybe this is the beginning of a migration! Regards, Norm http://TektiteSource.comhttp://tektitesource.com/ --- Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But how did that Canyon Diablo found its way to Oregon?? Buckleboo! -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Norm Lehrman Gesendet: Samstag, 17. Februar 2007 23:11 An: Mike Fowler; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.commailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Mike Fowler Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Eastern Oregon Meteorite on Ebay Mike all, That did look like a winner, but too bad about the crumby documentation. The seller didn't seem very interested in providing anything but platitudes. The caliche crusts were right for eastern Oregon. Cheers, Norm --- Mike Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi List, Did any of you see this meteorite on ebay? 23 oz sold for $1026 to peterutas. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200077988565http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200077988565 I bid, but not that much. Mike Fowler Chicago ebay--starsandrocks __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.commailto:Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-listhttp://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.commailto:Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-listhttp://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.commailto:Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-listhttp://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.commailto:Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-listhttp://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Adding a new impact site to the database
Mr. Cormier, Thank you for your reply. Specifically, what documentation do you require? Background information on the fall can be found at: http://www.geocities.com/astroycpa/meteoritoaqp2feb2004.html www.geocities.com/astroycpa/astroalertas.html and can be translated from Spanish to English using Google language tools. Additionally, a Russian scientist investigating what he calls Geometeor events did a very good job of collecting information shortly after the fall. I have been in contact with him and after presenting the evidence, he agrees this was not a Geometeor event but an actual fall. The information he collected can be found at: http://olkhov.siteburg.com/gr1997.htm#20040202 Search for February 2, 2004 Peruvian geometeor event. The impact registered almost 4.0 Richter across the Chilean and Peruvian seismic station network. I have seismic data for the event from both UNSA(University National San Augustin) and IGP (Geophysical Institute of Peru). Chilean data is in-process. Initially, people thought it might have been a airplane that crashed and flooded the local police with calls. The police then called the military. After everyone calmed down, they contacted the National University in Arequipa. Hastily organized searches were undertaken, but and they were unsucessful (they never went far enough into the desert). My father-in-law is a retired professor and with his assistance, I was able to consult with geologists at the National University of Peru (San Augustin). I helped organize the first real scientific expedition with scientists and students into the area, but we were unsuccessful in finding the impact site. It was kind of a crude search but it gave me valuable experience. Learning from mistakes... I subsequently organized additional expeditions after contacting and interviewing eyewitnesses to the fall. One of the most important pieces of information I gathered from these interviews was, sound measurements. I asked each witness to recall the amount of time from when they seen the impact to when they heard the explosion. With this information and the relative speed of sound in dry air, I was able to estimate the distance. I now had the direction and also the distance. With GPS, satellite photos and maps supplied by the University, I was able to launch a more directed scientific expedition. Each of the previous expeditions helped to narrow down the location. On the 6th expedition, we found the crater. There were times when we literally risked our lives, walking along ridges less than 18 inches wide, with a drop-off of several hundred meters. We roped ourselves and traversed very very slowly. As a matter of fact, I lived for a time with a family where both the mother and father eye-witnessed the event. She was washing dishes at the time when she heard a sonic boom, saw the fireball trail, the flash of light when the meteorite hit, felt the ground shake, heard the resulting explosion, and watched a column of dust rise thousands of meters into the air. She was about 30 kilometers from the impact. Her husband was out in the field, but didn't see the actual fall, but witnessed the effects after the meteorite hit. My wife and I became close friends with this family and I was recently asked to be the Godfather for their son's newborn baby! One of the other witnesses, from a different vantage point close to the Majes river was tending his herd of cows, having lunch with his son and looked up to comment about the weather, when he heard the sonic boom and watched something streak from the sky. He said it was extremely fast and fell close to vertical. His eyewitness account was extremely helpful due to the fact that there were small mountains in front of him which gave us a good ground-based reference. His picture is on the first web-link (Astro-CPA) pointing to the mountains. His name is Julio Rocco, a poor farmer with a large family. You asked for coordinates for the crater. I will send them to you if I can be assured that they will not be published until my paperwork has been approved and I have paid for rights. I want to protect the crater and have paperwork filed with the Peruvian government to grant me a mining concession to the crater and 100 hectares surrounding. There have already been scientists from Paraguay searching for the crater. People have cautioned me about giving out to much information until I have secured legal rights to the crater. I want to keep it in it's pristine state until scientists have fully studied it. I hope you understand. At the current time, I can give you seismic coordinates and general coordinates within 30 kilometers of the crater. I will start to send you information as you request it. Pictures, videos, reports, everything. Randall Gaetan Cormier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Mr.Gregory,
[meteorite-list] AD - 3 meteorites for sale
Hi List Members, This is the first time I have posted a AD on the met list but my collecting focus has changed somewhat so I have decided to sell some of my specimens. I am starting with the 3 below and I am also considering selling my full slice of NWA 1929 and a few others as well. I have no website so if you are interested please contact me off list for pictures. 1) 87.7 gram NWA 2224 CV3 slice for $375.00 2) 20.7 gram Unclassified Euc or How complete slice for $125.00 3) 5.4 gram Abee EH4 slice for $375.00 Thanks, Jake__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Adding a new impact site to the database
Gaetan, http://wikimapia.org/1171712 UNSA recorded epicenter: 7237'08.16w - 1600'01.71s IGPrecorded epicenter: 1620?59.77w - 7246'5707s Julio Rocco vantage point: 7229.37.86w - 1559'18.66s Condor Rock : 7235.08.82w - 1556'46.61s I have pictures and videos. Gaetan Cormier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very interesting Randall... The reason why I asked for the coordinates is just that I wanted to check out on Google earth thearea of impact. But if there's a crater, somebody probably took photos of it? you have any? 2007/2/17, Randall Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED]:Mr. Cormier, Thank you for your reply. Specifically, what documentation do you require? Background information on the fall can be found at: http://www.geocities.com/astroycpa/meteoritoaqp2feb2004.html www.geocities.com/astroycpa/astroalertas.html and can be translated from Spanish to English using Google language tools. Additionally, a Russian scientist investigating what he calls Geometeor events did a very good job of collecting information shortly after the fall. I have been in contact with him and after presenting the evidence, he agrees this was not a Geometeor event but an actual fall. The information he collected can be found at: http://olkhov.siteburg.com/gr1997.htm#20040202 Search for February 2, 2004 Peruvian geometeor event. The impact registered almost 4.0 Richter across the Chilean and Peruvian seismic station network. I have seismic data for the event from both UNSA(University National San Augustin) and IGP (Geophysical Institute of Peru). Chilean data is in-process. Initially, people thought it might have been a airplane that crashed and flooded the local police with calls. The police then called the military. After everyone calmed down, they contacted the National University in Arequipa. Hastily organized searches were undertaken, but and they were unsucessful (they never went far enough into the desert). My father-in-law is a retired professor and with his assistance, I was able to consult with geologists at the National University of Peru (San Augustin). I helped organize the first real scientific expedition with scientists and students into the area, but we were unsuccessful in finding the impact site. It was kind of a crude search but it gave me valuable experience. Learning from mistakes... I subsequently organized additional expeditions after contacting and interviewing eyewitnesses to the fall. One of the most important pieces of information I gathered from these interviews was, sound measurements. I asked each witness to recall the amount of time from when they seen the impact to when they heard the explosion. With this information and the relative speed of sound in dry air, I was able to estimate the distance. I now had the direction and also the distance. With GPS, satellite photos and maps supplied by the University, I was able to launch a more directed scientific expedition. Each of the previous expeditions helped to narrow down the location. On the 6th expedition, we found the crater. There were times when we literally risked our lives, walking along ridges less than 18 inches wide, with a drop-off of several hundred meters. We roped ourselves and traversed very very slowly. As a matter of fact, I lived for a time with a family where both the mother and father eye-witnessed the event. She was washing dishes at the time when she heard a sonic boom, saw the fireball trail, the flash of light when the meteorite hit, felt the ground shake, heard the resulting explosion, and watched a column of dust rise thousands of meters into the air. She was about 30 kilometers from the impact. Her husband was out in the field, but didn't see the actual fall, but witnessed the effects after the meteorite hit. My wife and I became close friends with this family and I was recently asked to be the Godfather for their son's newborn baby! One of the other witnesses, from a different vantage point close to the Majes river was tending his herd of cows, having lunch with his son and looked up to comment about the weather, when he heard the sonic boom and watched something streak from the sky. He said it was extremely fast and fell close to vertical. His eyewitness account was extremely helpful due to the fact that there were small mountains in front of him which gave us a good ground-based reference. His picture is on the first web-link (Astro-CPA) pointing to the mountains. His name is Julio Rocco, a poor farmer with a large family. You asked for coordinates for the crater. I will send them to you if I can be assured that they will not be published until my paperwork has been approved and I have paid for rights. I want to protect the crater and have paperwork filed with the Peruvian government to grant me a mining concession to the crater
[meteorite-list] venusmeteorite - Space slag, Boggy creek, Alien gems, Frass marble traders. What a circus
I would like to thank those people that responded to my questions. I am thinking of retiring from the list for short time to finish my research and have the impact crater registered. I need to devote my time elsewhere.To the people that have provided encouragement, support and would like further updates, Email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I'll send them off-list. I will keep my promise of payment for identical photos of my samples, but I am now not actively soliciting them. I am growing increasingly frustrated and need to regain my composure. So far, nobody has ever answered my basic question What definitive testing will prove space weathering. Recently, a meteorite dealer told me that pictures of my samples were sandstone covered by desert varnish even after I told him that the rocks were basaltic and geologists at the National University in Peru have never seen rocks like this. I've seen desert varnish many many times on my searches for fossilized Megalodon teeth in the Peruvian desert. Peruvian geologists are highly trained and well respected. This and other insults from meteorite dealers made me realize that alot of people are just marble traders and have little scientific knowledge or formal training. Some found meteorite trading profitable and others it's just an off-shoot of their main business of minerals and fossils. Some took their weekend excursions into strewn fields armed with metal detectors and found some meteorites to sell on e-bay. I mean no disrespect to any collectors with a genuine interest and appreciation of meteorites. I find them fascinating. You can sense my frustration. I agree that most know their marbles. Hey, I have a steelie, wanna trade. Yo, I have a peral-lie for sale. Wanna see a picture of a shooter? ooohhh I've got a cat's eye. So, along comes a guy with something a bit unusual. Hey, I found something and I'll call it a spark-lie for now. It looks like your marbles, rolls like your marbles, but I can't prove that it's a marble. Can you help me find out what it is? I'll even give you one for free. And alot of the marble players say sorry you can't play in our game with your unknown marbles and we're too busy buying and trading to help you. Buzz off. There has been speculation resulting from artificial ablation studies on terrestrial rocks that some meteorites may have a clear or transparent fusion crust. Hey, we now have a clear-rie! What marble dealer would recognize this as a marble? You know, I even offered to send (post-paid) a free sample to some dealers and never received a reply. I've read enough, and I'm done with dealers. Dealers reporting stolen meteorites then selling the missing meteorites to absentee bidders. The eBay scams, alien gemstones, space slag, dishonest dealers, and people looking only to profit has tainted my view somewhat of the people involved in the meteorite field. Some of you might recall the story of a well-known meteorite dealer that was accused of stealing a very valuable meteorite (considered to be a national treasure) from a museum in Brazil. He was apprehended at the airport with the meteorite in his luggage... Other people have e-mailed me and said my website www.venusmeteorite.com was very nice. IT IS NOT MY WEBSITE!!! and I never claimed my samples were from Venus. I repeat, my samples are identical to the ones found on venusmeteorite.com. That's all. I don't have a website. What a circus. I realized that the people that I should be talking to are volcanologists (neck-deep in lava, so to speak). They can give me a real expert opinion on basaltic rocks. So I am now taking the opposite approach. If volcanologists have never seen rocks like this and geologists have never seen rocks like this, then... guess what? If it can't be found on Earth then ... The response I've received from the people in the field of volcanology has been fantastic. They've requested samples, and will make 40 micron slices. They will be sending samples to other universities and another to friends at the Smithsonian Institution for further analysis and expert opinion. This is the type of response I was hoping from the meteorite community but never received. I received a great deal of ridicule. The exception are the few scientists that helped answer some of my questions. To them, my thanks and appreciation. As of this moment, only a few samples are know to exist, the author of venusmeteorite.com and myself thus making them even more rare than Martian meteorites. Score 34 for the Martians and approximately 18 for the ___? You fill in the blank. (Venusians, Mercurians, nut-bags, idiots, Space slaggers, whatever...) My wife suggested that I auction one to help with our costs. Let me reiterate, I am not in this to make money, folks. I will be incuring significant costs for very expensive private testing when I return to the United States.
[meteorite-list] Looking for a good picture of an Etched Nantan Slice
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Re: [meteorite-list] SIKHOTE-ALIN
this some particulars from SA flow lines in a 7.5 gr. bullett http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/4360/sikhote3amitx9.jpg bed eye in a 144 gr. SA http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/1333/sikhote4minhw3.jpg troilite nodule http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/9066/sikhote1amidt6.jpg Matteo M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30173 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ L'email della prossima generazione? Puoi averla con la nuova Yahoo! Mail: http://it.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - Ebay auctions ended
only for inform the 3 auctions on ebay ended at 1 day http://members.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPageuserid=mcomemeteorite Matteo M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30173 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ L'email della prossima generazione? Puoi averla con la nuova Yahoo! Mail: http://it.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Martian and Lunar Cuttings
Hello all - I finally delivered the lunar and martian cuttings which I purchased ftom Greg Hupe earlier this year to the recipients' mother - a very belated Christmas gift. I gave them to her at a fund raising event for their father, who is in very serious condition. She was very pleased (Fantastic! - From Mars? You have to be kidding! and many smiles) , and I think that they will bring a little badly needed cheer to their children. My thanks to Greg once again, and I am sorry that we did not meet in Tuscon. good hunting, Ed Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] 31 kilo Ghubara for sale or trade
Hello, I have a very nice 31 kilo Ghubara (whole stone) which I am interested in selling or trading. I am looking for a nice whole Murchison, a whole slice of metal rich Portales Valley or?? Thanks, Dennis Beatty __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] venusmeteorite - Space slag, Boggy creek, Alien gems, Frass marble traders. What a circus
I'm glad I never bothered to follow this thread. Bill -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 09:35:43 -0800 (PST)To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comSubject: [meteorite-list] venusmeteorite - Space slag, Boggy creek, Alien gems, Frass marble traders. What a circus I would like tothank those people that responded to my questions. I am thinking of retiring from thelist for short time to finish my research and have the impact crater registered.I need to devote my time elsewhere.To the people that have provided encouragement, support and would likefurther updates, Email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I'll send them off-list. I will keepmy promise of payment for identical photos of my samples, but I am now not actively soliciting them. I am growing increasingly frustrated and need to regain my composure. So far, nobody has ever answered my basic question "What definitive testing willprove space weathering". Recently, a meteorite dealer told me that pictures ofmy sampleswere sandstone covered bydesert varnish even after I told him that the rocks were basaltic and geologists at the National University in Peruhave never seen rocks like this.I've seen desert varnish many many times on my searches for fossilizedMegalodon teeth in the Peruvian desert.Peruvian geologists are highly trained and well respected. This and other insults frommeteorite dealers made me realize thatalot of people are just marble traders and have little scientific knowledge or formal training.Some found meteorite trading profitable andothers it's just an off-shoot of their main business of minerals and fossils. Some took their weekend excursions into strewn fields armed with metal detectors and found some meteorites to sell on e-bay. I mean no disrespect toany collectors with agenuineinterest and appreciation of meteorites. I find them fascinating. You cansensemy frustration. I agree thatmost know their marbles. Hey, I have a steelie, wanna trade. Yo, I have a peral-lie for sale.Wanna see a picture of a shooter? ooohhh I've got a cat's eye.So, along comes a guy with something a bit unusual. Hey, I found something and I'll call it a spark-lie for now. It looks like your marbles, rolls like your marbles, but I can't prove that it's a marble. Can you help me find out what it is? I'll even give you one for free. And alot of the marble players say "sorry you can't play in our game with your unknown marbles and we're too busy buying and trading to help you". Buzz off. There has been speculation resulting from artificial ablation studies on terrestrial rocksthat some meteorites may have a clear or transparent fusion crust. Hey, we now have a clear-rie! What marble dealer would recognize this as a marble? You know, I even offered to send (post-paid) a free sample to some dealers and never received a reply. I've read enough, and I'm done with dealers. Dealers reporting stolen meteorites then selling the "missing" meteorites to absentee bidders. The eBay scams, alien gemstones, space slag, dishonest dealers, and people looking only to profit has tainted my view somewhat of thepeople involved in the meteorite field. Some of you might recall the story of a well-known meteorite dealer that was accused of stealing a very valuable meteorite (considered to be a national treasure) from a museum in Brazil. He wasapprehended at the airport with the meteorite in his luggage... Otherpeople have e-mailed me and said my website www.venusmeteorite.com was very nice. IT IS NOT MY WEBSITE!!!and I never claimed my samples were from Venus. I repeat, my samples are identical to the ones found on venusmeteorite.com. That's all. I don't have a website. What a circus. I realized that the people that I should be talking to arevolcanologists (neck-deep in lava, so to speak). They cangive me a real expert opinion on basaltic rocks.So I am now taking the opposite approach. If volcanologists have never seen rocks like this and geologists have never seen rocks like this,then... guess what? If it can't be found on Earth then ... The response I've received from the people in the field of volcanology has been fantastic. They've requested samples, and will make 40 micron slices. They will be sending samples to other universities and anotherto friends at the Smithsonian Institution for further analysis andexpert opinion.This is the type of response I was hoping from the meteorite community but never received. I received a great deal of ridicule. The exceptionare the few scientists that helped answer some of my questions. To them,my thanks and appreciation. As of this moment,only a few samples are know to exist,the author of venusmeteorite.com and myself thus making themeven more rare than Martianmeteorites. Score 34 for the Martians and approximately 18for the ___? You fill in the blank. (Venusians, Mercurians, nut-bags, idiots, Spaceslaggers, whatever...) My wife suggested that I auction one to help with our costs.Let me
[meteorite-list] Lost on the way to Mike's auction
Hi Mike - I don't want to opine about posting the prices, but I did loose Stefan from Chladni's Heirs on the way to your auction - how about flyers with a nice large simple map on the back next year? good hunting, Ed --- Darryl Pitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the macovich auction---where there was always staff to accommodate immediate payment property pick-up---is returning to tucson next year. On Feb 8, 2007, at 3:54 PM, Jim Strope wrote: I did NOT volunteer to offer my services for $100- to be your check out person but I am sure you can find some intelligent college student at the U of A that would be happy to do the service for a Hundred Bucks and free beer. (Beer to be consumed after the auction, of course). Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com - Original Message - From: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jim Strope [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 3:45 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang Hi All, Just got back from the big one. Haven't come close to reading all my 473 emails, but I am more convinced than ever that the lack of an additional check out person at my auction is, indeed, a situation in need of correcting. My plan for this year fell through at the last minute but I am now more determined than ever to correct this problem once and for all. Imagine my delight in hearing Jim Strope is willing to perform that duty for only $100! Yippie! You're hired, Jim! Please, everyone, let Jim know how grateful you are for being willing to take care of this for us all. It will make the final buy outs go twice as quickly, as well. I also read that people are increasingly wanting auction prices listed and even show dealers are chiming in in favor of this (at least in one instance - haven't been able to read all posts, as mentioned - and I do see that as another appropriate list topic) and I am, therefore, reconsidering this, as my major issue in the past has been regarding the feelings of the show dealers on this issue. I will make a decision in the next day or two and, if in favor of posting prices, will do so via the on-line catalog. I am currently leaning in favor of doing so, but if I do, the list will remain posted for like 30 days, not all year. I would like to hear PRIVATELY from any and all dealers on this issue in the next 24 hrs. Please contact me directly via email with POSTING AUCTION PRICES in the subject box so that I read your opinion immediately. While I am not stating I will automatically go with the majority opinion on this, it will be the major determining factor in making up my mind on this particular issue - and there is no need for this particular topic to be bantered about on the list. As for all other details (timing of sellers being paid, buyers' credit card processing, absentee bidders being notified, etc) will be handled one on one, as per announcements prior to the auction - not via the Meteorite List newsletter where these are not appropriate topics. Best wishes to all, Michael (PS: My name is not Blood, it is Michael Blood. If you do not choose to use my first name it is then appropriate to place Mr. in front of my family name. We are not raw recruits in the military nor High School jerks - though some times I wonder about the latter) on 2/8/07 8:41 AM, Jim Strope at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Obviously, a lack of staff results in less than optimum customer service. Perhaps spending an extra $100- to hire someone to check out bidders who want to leave would have a positive impact on the auction results as a whole. I personally know of at least two collectors who refused to attend an auction because of lack of customer service. I also personally know of one collector who left without paying because he got tired of waiting. Hopefully, next year will be a more pleasant experience. Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com - Original Message - From: Moni Waiblinger-Seabridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang Hi Jim and All, I also go to an auction and it is the same as you describe. I think if you have to wait until all the auction is done, it is simply because there isn't enough staff. At the auction I attend, there is two auctioneers that take turns and then about three
Re: [meteorite-list] ID help, meteorwrong meteorite galleries, my collection, meteorite forum, field museum pics
Hi Joe, you have to use gloves. The acid ruins your fingers !! take care, Christian I.M.C.A. #2673 at www.imca.cc website: www.austromet.com Ing. Christian Anger Korngasse 6 2405 Bad Deutsch-Altenburg AUSTRIA email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 11:31 PM To: meteorite list Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ID help, meteorwrong meteorite galleries,my collection, meteorite forum, field museum pics Hello all, Lately in the SkyRock Cafe Meteorite Forum there has been lots of talk on etching meteorites and the different ways in doing so. I decided to do a demonstration of the way that I etch, I hope this helps someone. http://illinoismeteorites.com/etching%20odessa.htm Here is the link to the page with many photos and descriptions of what I am doing. Enjoy, Joe Kerchner illinoismeteorites.com - Original Message From: Joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 1:10:33 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] ID help, meteorwrong meteorite galleries, my collection, meteorite forum, field museum pics Hello list, Once again I have added many photo and discriptions to me webpage. My meteorwrong page now has description fro each wrong. I have also added a new photo gallery page. In a day or so I will be addin at least a hundred new meteorites, slices, individuals, fragments, and micros. Also I am going to be adding a how toc etch section, there will be many photos and a short video, I will be using two methods, the normal one and one my wife found on her first etch by making a mistake. These should all be done by friday, but many new photos have been added in the past few days. Awsome new pieces in my collection, I have been buying irons and stony iron mostly. I have posted links to a few of the links to some pages on my website. Take a look: Homepage: http://illinoismeteorites.com/ My Collection: http://illinoismeteorites.com/collection.htm Meteorwrong gallery: http://illinoismeteorites.com/meteorwrongs.htm Field mesuem collection: http://illinoismeteorites.com/field_museum_collection_page.htm Meteorite id help: http://illinoismeteorites.com/meteorite_identification.htm Photo Gallery: http://illinoismeteorites.com/gallery_page_1.htm Meteorite Forum http://illinoismeteorites.com/yabb/YaBB.pl Thanks, I hope you all enjoy these photos, Joe Kerchner Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Eastern Oregon Meteorite on Ebay
There have been many rock shops in Oregon over the years that have sold fragments of Canyon Diablo and Odessa iron meteorites. Many of these irons where purchased in Tucson by rock shop owners and Oregon collectors who encountered one of the many old timey meteorite dealers in Tucson like the Schultz brothers or Glenn Huss or HH Nininger or the Sullivans. Lots of mineral dealers also featured the Arizona irons because they were fairly easy to get by stopping at the Meteorite Museum in Sedona on the way to or from The Tucson Show where many rock shop owners go to stop up for the year. Of course there were and still are lots of other ways to come across an old classic iron like Canyon Diablo. This iron featured on Ebay is obviously a transported C.D. Probably a family heirloom from great grandpa's rock collection. It looks like an older surface found specimen with classic Coconino County, northern Arizona Caliche on it just like most of the specimens collected in the early days by Nininger. There are only four meteorites found so far in Oregon; Klamath Falls - iron, Sam's Valley - iron, Salem - stone (witnessed fall) and last but not least, Willamette - iron. Many ofwe Oregon residents have spent years searching for Oregon meteorite number five. Unfortunately, if a piece of this specimen is sent to UCLA or Cascadia Meteorite Laboratory for testing, it will no doubt be classified as yetanother transported Canyon Diablo. I would like for this to be Oregon's next find. Sadly, it looks like another hoax much like the Port Orford meteorite which turned out to be a transported piece of Imilac brought here to generate a bit of excitement and ended up created what is now considered to be the most sought after (and as yet unfound) meteorite in recorded history. For those of you that don't know the story, it is said to pe a pallasite the size of a prairie schooner! Cheers, Edwin From: "GREG LINDH" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "Norm Lehrman" [EMAIL PROTECTED]CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] Eastern Oregon Meteorite on EbayDate: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 17:07:39 -0700 Yeah, a Canyon Diablo with "whiteout". Regards, Geeg - Original Message - From: Norm Lehrman To: Martin Altmann ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Eastern Oregon Meteorite on Ebay Martin,For an extra thousand dollars, rocks in Arizona couldcrawl to Oregon! Maybe this is the beginning of amigration!Regards,Normhttp://TektiteSource.com--- Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: But how did that Canyon Diablo found its way to Oregon?? Buckleboo! -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Norm Lehrman Gesendet: Samstag, 17. Februar 2007 23:11 An: Mike Fowler; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Mike Fowler Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Eastern Oregon Meteorite on Ebay Mike all, That did look like a winner, but too bad about the crumby documentation. The seller didn't seem very interested in providing anything but platitudes. The caliche crusts were right for eastern Oregon. Cheers, Norm --- Mike Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi List,Did any of you see this meteorite on ebay? 23 oz sold for $1026 to peterutas. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200077988565I bid, but not that much.Mike FowlerChicago ebay--starsandrocks __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comhttp://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comhttp://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __Meteorite-list mailing listMeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comhttp://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __Meteorite-list mailing listMeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comhttp://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: Presidents Day Sale 10% Off
Good Evening List.. As many of you may already know, I just put together a temporary website and (..low and behold) I'm already looking to clear out the remaining inventory before I post some new stuff. So, I would like to offer 10% off whatever is left on the site for the next 24 hours, beginning at midnight (cst). FREE USPS Priority Mail postage as well. Just go to www.fallingfusion.com and let me know what interests you. Paypal accepted. Also, I believe this post puts me over my ad limit for the week.. so I do apologize for that. Thanks everyone.. Ryan __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
