date:20080117

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=230213780103ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:ITih=013

the seller continue to say this is a metorite and not a
fusion slag and continue to give no sense answers to who ask
who have analyzed the piece etc... write all to the seller
and say this is a fraud.

Matteo

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[meteorite-list] Happy Birthday Nininger

2008-01-17 Thread Arizona Keith


Hello List

Just wanted to say

Happy Birthday Harvey Harlow Nininger born on January 17, 1887
We owe him so much!

Keith V.
Chandler AZ.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Got Pics?

2008-01-17 Thread Gary K. Foote

Dave,

Wow!  Great colors in that crust - and superb rollover lipping as well.  Love 
the flowline detail 
on the leading face too.  Murchison is not in my collection yet, but someday...

Thanks for the link to your pics!

Gary

 Hi, Gary et al,
 
 If the photo category is cool oriented specimens, here's a fun
 little
 Murchison, per your request...note the rainbow-crusted trailing
 face...
 
 http://www.fallingrocks.com/Collections/Murchison.htm
 
 Best,
 
 Dave


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Re: [meteorite-list] Happy Birthday Nininger/Nininger Moment

2008-01-17 Thread AL Mitterling


Hi Arizona Keith and all,

Since you mentioned Nininger's Birthday thought I would run this 
Nininger Moment through the list. All my best to all!



--AL Mitterling
Mitterling Meteorites

Nininger Moment #26 The Bondoc Philippine Meteorite Recovery Story


One of the largest and best meteorites might have gone undiscovered in 
not for Nininger's effort and that of his friend John A.
Lednicky. Only 2 other Philippine specimens had been found prior to the 
Bondoc find. It started when Nininger and Addie were on their 5 month 
long tour and after the sale of the first part of their collection. 
Nininger had been seeking tektites from south east Asia and visited the 
National Bureau of Mines in 1959. There Nininger found a sample sent in 
as iron ore that was round and badly weathered. The Mass having stony 
material attached and testing positive for nickel set Nininger's mind 
into motion. After seeking Permission to hunt the material down he was 
given the name of Senator Tanada of the Filipino Congress who Nininger 
visited. The matter had been transferred to the Senator's Son a lawyer 
who shared the prospect with his friend
Mendoza another lawyer who lived closer to the site a remote jungle far 
down the Bondoc Peninsula.


The two young lawyers contacted two Japanese geologists who sought 
finding an iron mine. The two Japanese geologist
went to check out the possible iron deposit but returned discussed and 
disappointed as it was only something that had fallen
out of the sky and they sought an iron mine. Part of the state of mind 
of the geologists was due to the great effort to reach the
site. Several hours journey by slow train. Then waiting hours for a bus 
that ran on days the roads were passable and dry.
A full days journey 40 miles to a small village. Then from the small 
village by boat down the coast to the mouth of a river.
Down the River as far as the boat could go then trampling on foot ten 
hours through crocodile and snake infested jungle!
Nininger attempted to make the trip himself along with his wife Addie 
with guided help but twisted an ankle before they
were very far along. He then turned for help asking his friend John 
Lednicky who assisted in the hunt.


The process of locating, finding a way to extract, floating the specimen 
to the small village and finally getting it to Nininger
was a three and a half year process. Estimated recovery cost was 
$3750.00. Lednicky hired men who loaded it on to a wooden sled but three 
caribou were unable to move it. Neither was a small bulldozer. A larger 
bulldozer was then used to
bring the specimen to the mouth of the river. A raft was then 
constructed of bamboo to tow the specimen on to Manila. The
effort to float it to Manila was a nightmare with much risk involved. 
While transporting the specimen a typhoon hit the area
and huge waves rocked the raft and meteorite. Two fishing boats with 
motors were hired to help stabilized the cargo. One
sank in the process and four men nearly drowned. Difficulty in hiring a 
truck was the next problem after the storm, as roads
were washed out and dangerous and risked recovery of the specimen. 
Finally a truck was hired from a friend of the men who

were hired to bring the specimen to Manila.

After reaching Manila more red tape and delays plague the shipping of 
the specimen to Nininger. The specimen weighed
Just under one ton (1955 lbs) and was the second largest stony meteorite 
recovered at that time. Upon reaching Nininger's
newly built home in the hills, he placed the meteorite just inside a 
window where his shop was. Nininger studied the specimen's outside 
structure before attempting to cut a slab from it. Nininger invited 
about 60 friends and colleges over before the first slab was taken from 
it for an opening party. Nininger knew that the specimen was a unique 
one from the original sample and he was very curious as to the internal 
structure. At the party Nininger started the saw which ran for 162 hours 
and cut the first end piece off weighing 120 lbs. Of the distinguished 
guests Carleton Moore was there and carried the first slice back to the 
laboratory at Tempe Arizona for the University of Arizona as a gift from 
Nininger. Nininger stated the real hero as John Lednicky who's 
relentless effort brought about recovery of the specimen at great 
personal time and sacrifice. Only expenses and satisfaction of success 
were his requirements for payment. Nininger later sent him a special 
meteorite gift as an added thank you.



Source: Find A Falling Star By H.H. Nininger

The Nininger Moments are articles or books written originally by Harvey 
Nininger and put into a consolidated form by Al Mitterling. Some of the 
items written in the moments might be old out dated material and the 
reader is advised to keep this in mind.


--AL Mitterling



Arizona Keith wrote:


Hello List

Just wanted to say

Happy Birthday Harvey Harlow Nininger born on January 17, 1887
We owe him so much!

Keith V.

[meteorite-list] There we go again!!!! Warning.

2008-01-17 Thread Impactika


Hello everybody,

I just  received an email, Subject line: RE: January 77%OFF
Sender?   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
With an attachment.

Just one problem, I did NOT send  that email. 
I am very sorry, but apparently someone borrowed my name  Again!
Please do not open it, I have no idea what it is. And I will not send  any 
email with attachment to anyone unless it is something you specifically  
requested.
Again I am sorry for the problem.

Anne M.  Black
www.IMPACTIKA.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Vice-President, I.M.C.A.  Inc.
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Re: [meteorite-list] There we go again!!!! Warning.

2008-01-17 Thread Martin Altmann

Happened to me too, Anne, some weeks ago, but without attachments.
In those mails I was offering Viagra and Cialis.

I even tried to sell to myself.
But I wasn't at home, when I emailed me, but on the Baragan with no internet
access.

So I wasn't successful... :-(



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Hello everybody,

I just  received an email, Subject line: RE: January 77%OFF
Sender?   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
With an attachment.

Just one problem, I did NOT send  that email. 
I am very sorry, but apparently someone borrowed my name  Again!
Please do not open it, I have no idea what it is. And I will not send  any 
email with attachment to anyone unless it is something you specifically  
requested.
Again I am sorry for the problem.

Anne M.  Black
www.IMPACTIKA.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[meteorite-list] I will no longer ship to Italy using paypal

List members, I don't know about others, but myself
and Robert Ward have both been ripped off by
paypal/Italian buyers lately.

In the last few months, I have had 5 ebay items lost
on the way to Italy and claims filed, where paypal
took my money automatically. 
I will no longer ship anything to Italy using paypal,
any orders from Italy must be paid for with cash or
international postal money order. Then I will ship, so
that if the items are stolen by corrupt Italian postal
workers, that is not my problem.

This has become so common, that either all packages to
Italy are stolen, or Italian ebay buyers are on to the
paypal scam and get the items, then claim refunds. 
Anyone else having this problem lately?
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Re: [meteorite-list] Got Pics?

2008-01-17 Thread Dave Gheesling

Hi, Gary et al,

If the photo category is cool oriented specimens, here's a fun little
Murchison, per your request...note the rainbow-crusted trailing face...

http://www.fallingrocks.com/Collections/Murchison.htm

Best,

Dave

-Original Message-
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Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 10:52 AM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Got Pics?

Fellow Listoids,

Sorry if this post comes thru twice.  I sent it yesterday and it failed to
show up in the digest. 

G

-

My favorite meteorite in my 'never sell' collection is an unclassified NWA I
received in late 
2005 or early 2006.  It is half of an individual with exceptional primary
crust and spectacular 
oriented flowlines.  It also features a gigantic chondrule. 

The fractured face is lightly secondary melted and shows a lot of detail. 
The primary crust 
can be seen edge on in the fractured face.  It is quite thick.  I thought
about polishing the 
fractured face, but have pretty much decided against it as, to my eye, it is
spectacular to 
behold without polishing.  I may yet polish it but then again who knows. 
A...  the choices 
we have to make :)

The first pic [links below] is of the primary crusted half with the
chondrule and clearly shows 
the oriented flowlines.  The second pic is of the fractured face.  Pic #1 is
very large so the 
detail shows up clearly.  Pic #2 is of the fractured face and is a bit
smaller than pic #1.

http://www.webbers.com/meteorites/images/halfloaf5.jpg
http://www.webbers.com/meteorites/images/halfloaf-lipping.jpg

I look at this specimen closely almost every day and some new detail always
pops out to me.

What is your favorite meteorite in your collection?  Got Pics?

Gary Foote
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Re: [meteorite-list] Happy Birthday Nininger/Nininger Moment

2008-01-17 Thread Peter Marmet



 AL Mitterling wrote:

Since you mentioned Nininger's Birthday thought I would run this  
Nininger Moment through the list. All my best to all!


Nininger Moment #26 The Bondoc Philippine Meteorite Recovery Story


Hi AL and All,

great reading, AL, many thanks!

After reading your Nininger text, I remembered that I once bought a  
20.6 g end piece of Bondoc.
I even has a small number, painted with white ink (by H.H.  
Nininger?):  (2)684.255
In the Catalog of Meteorites in the Coll. of ASU (Arizona State  
University)

I found 550 kilos mentioned, the catalog number is 684...
The base of the ASU Meteorite Coll. is the Nininger Collection,  
purchased in 1965.


Further infos most welcome!

Peter

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Re: [meteorite-list] I will no longer ship to Italy using paypal

2008-01-17 Thread michael cottingham

YES. Over the last year the Italian postal service has caused much mayhem
and madness for me. I wonder if we have the same buyers making the same
claims? Same scams going down or just an extremely corrupt postal service in
Italy? I hate to lump the whole Italian Postal Service into a toilet
category, but NO other postal service has even come close to being so
corrupt. 
The next worse in my experience is the GERMAN CUSTOMS, who sometimes hold on
to packages for months! They don't seem to be corrupt, just after every
penny they can get for customs duty. They are very slow sometimes.

I too have thought about not sending to Italy anymore.

Best Wishes

Michael Cottingham

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael
Farmer
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 12:09 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] I will no longer ship to Italy using paypal

List members, I don't know about others, but myself
and Robert Ward have both been ripped off by
paypal/Italian buyers lately.

In the last few months, I have had 5 ebay items lost
on the way to Italy and claims filed, where paypal
took my money automatically. 
I will no longer ship anything to Italy using paypal,
any orders from Italy must be paid for with cash or
international postal money order. Then I will ship, so
that if the items are stolen by corrupt Italian postal
workers, that is not my problem.

This has become so common, that either all packages to
Italy are stolen, or Italian ebay buyers are on to the
paypal scam and get the items, then claim refunds. 
Anyone else having this problem lately?
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Re: [meteorite-list] I will no longer ship to Italy using paypal

2008-01-17 Thread dean bessey

I think the word lately dont belong in farmers
email. I always have problems with Italian postal
service. Interestingly I have a problem one this
morning that is supposedly lost that I mailed 6 weeks
ago and have had 3 customers inniating paypal
chargebacks from Italy (100% of my total) in the past
3 or 4 months - mostly for stamps.
Quite a few people will not ship to Italy. Maybe you
could say Fed Ex only. I have been toying with the
idea of refusing to send shipments to Italy but I have
the occasional customer in Italy and two very good
ones who will pay for fed ex shipping. 
Is there any way on ebay to block bidders from italy
but then allow individual bidders on a case by case
basis? Maybe I shoudl ask the ebay powerseller people
that question.
Cheers
DEAN
www.meteoriteshop.com



--- michael cottingham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 YES. Over the last year the Italian postal service
 has caused much mayhem
 and madness for me. I wonder if we have the same
 buyers making the same
 claims? Same scams going down or just an extremely
 corrupt postal service in
 Italy? I hate to lump the whole Italian Postal
 Service into a toilet
 category, but NO other postal service has even come
 close to being so
 corrupt. 
 The next worse in my experience is the GERMAN
 CUSTOMS, who sometimes hold on
 to packages for months! They don't seem to be
 corrupt, just after every
 penny they can get for customs duty. They are very
 slow sometimes.
 
 I too have thought about not sending to Italy
 anymore.
 
 Best Wishes
 
 Michael Cottingham
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of Michael
 Farmer
 Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 12:09 PM
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] I will no longer ship to
 Italy using paypal
 
 List members, I don't know about others, but myself
 and Robert Ward have both been ripped off by
 paypal/Italian buyers lately.
 
 In the last few months, I have had 5 ebay items lost
 on the way to Italy and claims filed, where paypal
 took my money automatically. 
 I will no longer ship anything to Italy using
 paypal,
 any orders from Italy must be paid for with cash or
 international postal money order. Then I will ship,
 so
 that if the items are stolen by corrupt Italian
 postal
 workers, that is not my problem.
 
 This has become so common, that either all packages
 to
 Italy are stolen, or Italian ebay buyers are on to
 the
 paypal scam and get the items, then claim refunds. 
 Anyone else having this problem lately?
 Michael Farmer
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Re: [meteorite-list] There we go again!!!! Warning.

2008-01-17 Thread Darren Garrison

On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 14:25:45 EST, you wrote:


Hello everybody,

I just  received an email, Subject line: RE: January 77%OFF
Sender?   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
With an attachment.

Just one problem, I did NOT send  that email. 

Spammers have ways of sending out spam where the address of the getter is shown
as the address of the sender.  Thus, if I got the spam, it would show as coming
from [EMAIL PROTECTED], etc.  That could be what happened to you.

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[meteorite-list] I will no longer ship to Italy using paypal

2008-01-17 Thread David Kitt Deyarmin


What mail service do you use?

Express, Priority, Registered First Class or First Class?
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Re: [meteorite-list] I will no longer ship to Italy using paypal

buhauhauahuhaI received all via registered mail or via
FedEx and all arrive. Its well know you never ship via
registered mail.

matteo

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A : 'M come Meteorite Meteorites' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Oggetto : RE: [meteorite-list] I will no longer ship to
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Data : Thu, 17 Jan 2008 13:44:04 -0700

 Matteo
 
 REGISTERED MAIL TO ITALY DISAPPEARS TOO!
 
 Michael Cottingham
 
 -Original Message-
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 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of M come Meteorite Meteorites
 Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 1:27 PM
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] I will no longer ship to
 Italy using paypal
 
 or why you have never sent pack with registered mail how
 had I asked in my case?  
 
 Matteo
 
 - Original Message -
 Da : michael cottingham [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 A : 'Michael Farmer' [EMAIL PROTECTED],
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Oggetto : Re: [meteorite-list] I will no longer ship to
 Italy using paypal
 Data : Thu, 17 Jan 2008 13:09:42 -0700
 
  YES. Over the last year the Italian postal service has
  caused much mayhem and madness for me. I wonder if we
  have the same buyers making the same claims? Same scams
  going down or just an extremely corrupt postal service
  in Italy? I hate to lump the whole Italian Postal
  Service into a toilet category, but NO other postal
  service has even come close to being so corrupt. 
  The next worse in my experience is the GERMAN CUSTOMS,
  who sometimes hold on to packages for months! They don't
  seem to be corrupt, just after every penny they can get
  for customs duty. They are very slow sometimes.
  
  I too have thought about not sending to Italy anymore.
  
  Best Wishes
  
  Michael Cottingham
  
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
  Behalf Of Michael Farmer
  Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 12:09 PM
  To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
  Subject: [meteorite-list] I will no longer ship to Italy
  using paypal
  
  List members, I don't know about others, but myself
  and Robert Ward have both been ripped off by
  paypal/Italian buyers lately.
  
  In the last few months, I have had 5 ebay items lost
  on the way to Italy and claims filed, where paypal
  took my money automatically. 
  I will no longer ship anything to Italy using paypal,
  any orders from Italy must be paid for with cash or
  international postal money order. Then I will ship, so
  that if the items are stolen by corrupt Italian postal
  workers, that is not my problem.
  
  This has become so common, that either all packages to
  Italy are stolen, or Italian ebay buyers are on to the
  paypal scam and get the items, then claim refunds. 
  Anyone else having this problem lately?
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Re: [meteorite-list] I will no longer ship to Italy using paypal

2008-01-17 Thread Andreas Gren


with Mark Bostik, and others here have problems with
this last person with packs never arrive

Matteo,
Facts please
You know here to state statements like this mean you are the one responsible
for proof.

Andi

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bah...I receive every day packs from outside Italy and from
USA with value declared and no and any of this go lost, only
in 2 cases here the pack is never arrive, one with
Cottingham why not have sent via registered letter and
another with Mark Bostik, and others here have problems with
this last person with packs never arrive

Matteo

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using paypal
Data : Thu, 17 Jan 2008 11:09:14 -0800 (PST)

 List members, I don't know about others, but myself
 and Robert Ward have both been ripped off by
 paypal/Italian buyers lately.
 
 In the last few months, I have had 5 ebay items lost
 on the way to Italy and claims filed, where paypal
 took my money automatically. 
 I will no longer ship anything to Italy using paypal,
 any orders from Italy must be paid for with cash or
 international postal money order. Then I will ship, so
 that if the items are stolen by corrupt Italian postal
 workers, that is not my problem.
 
 This has become so common, that either all packages to
 Italy are stolen, or Italian ebay buyers are on to the
 paypal scam and get the items, then claim refunds. 
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or why you have never sent pack with registered mail how had
I asked in my case?  

Matteo

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A : 'Michael Farmer' [EMAIL PROTECTED],
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
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Italy using paypal
Data : Thu, 17 Jan 2008 13:09:42 -0700

 YES. Over the last year the Italian postal service has
 caused much mayhem and madness for me. I wonder if we have
 the same buyers making the same claims? Same scams going
 down or just an extremely corrupt postal service in Italy?
 I hate to lump the whole Italian Postal Service into a
 toilet category, but NO other postal service has even come
 close to being so corrupt. 
 The next worse in my experience is the GERMAN CUSTOMS, who
 sometimes hold on to packages for months! They don't seem
 to be corrupt, just after every penny they can get for
 customs duty. They are very slow sometimes.
 
 I too have thought about not sending to Italy anymore.
 
 Best Wishes
 
 Michael Cottingham
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Michael Farmer
 Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 12:09 PM
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] I will no longer ship to Italy
 using paypal
 
 List members, I don't know about others, but myself
 and Robert Ward have both been ripped off by
 paypal/Italian buyers lately.
 
 In the last few months, I have had 5 ebay items lost
 on the way to Italy and claims filed, where paypal
 took my money automatically. 
 I will no longer ship anything to Italy using paypal,
 any orders from Italy must be paid for with cash or
 international postal money order. Then I will ship, so
 that if the items are stolen by corrupt Italian postal
 workers, that is not my problem.
 
 This has become so common, that either all packages to
 Italy are stolen, or Italian ebay buyers are on to the
 paypal scam and get the items, then claim refunds. 
 Anyone else having this problem lately?
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Re: [meteorite-list] I will no longer ship to Italy using paypal

2008-01-17 Thread dean bessey

I think the word lately dont belong in farmers
email. I always have problems with Italian postal
service. Interestingly I have a problem one this
morning that is supposedly lost that I mailed 6 weeks
ago and have had 3 customers inniating paypal
chargebacks from Italy (100% of my total) in the past
3 or 4 months - mostly for stamps.
Quite a few people will not ship to Italy. Maybe you
could say Fed Ex only. I have been toying with the
idea of refusing to send shipments to Italy but I have
the occasional customer in Italy and two very good
ones who will pay for fed ex shipping. 
Is there any way on ebay to block bidders from italy
but then allow individual bidders on a case by case
basis? Maybe I shoudl ask the ebay powerseller people
that question.
Cheers
DEAN
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--- michael cottingham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 YES. Over the last year the Italian postal service
 has caused much mayhem
 and madness for me. I wonder if we have the same
 buyers making the same
 claims? Same scams going down or just an extremely
 corrupt postal service in
 Italy? I hate to lump the whole Italian Postal
 Service into a toilet
 category, but NO other postal service has even come
 close to being so
 corrupt. 
 The next worse in my experience is the GERMAN
 CUSTOMS, who sometimes hold on
 to packages for months! They don't seem to be
 corrupt, just after every
 penny they can get for customs duty. They are very
 slow sometimes.
 
 I too have thought about not sending to Italy
 anymore.
 
 Best Wishes
 
 Michael Cottingham
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of Michael
 Farmer
 Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 12:09 PM
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] I will no longer ship to
 Italy using paypal
 
 List members, I don't know about others, but myself
 and Robert Ward have both been ripped off by
 paypal/Italian buyers lately.
 
 In the last few months, I have had 5 ebay items lost
 on the way to Italy and claims filed, where paypal
 took my money automatically. 
 I will no longer ship anything to Italy using
 paypal,
 any orders from Italy must be paid for with cash or
 international postal money order. Then I will ship,
 so
 that if the items are stolen by corrupt Italian
 postal
 workers, that is not my problem.
 
 This has become so common, that either all packages
 to
 Italy are stolen, or Italian ebay buyers are on to
 the
 paypal scam and get the items, then claim refunds. 
 Anyone else having this problem lately?
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Re: [meteorite-list] Got Pics?

2008-01-17 Thread STARSANDSCOPES

Well put John,  I can't say I always know  the answer.

I would like to hear stories of list members who cut into one  of their 
favorite rocks and had it classified.  How did it turn out?   Any treasures 
found?

Tom

In a message dated 1/17/2008 11:06:42  A.M. Central Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  writes:
Tom,

Interesting question - know v unknown.  Even more  interesting not knowing
your personal answer!

-  John

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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list]  Got Pics?

Gary,  Love that chondrule!!!  And  roll over  crust on the back!  That is a 
fine example of why even an   unclassified can be a treasure.

Do you find it of greater interest   because it is still an unknown or would 
you value it more if it was part of  a  named find?

Tom

In a message dated 1/17/2008 9:54:41 A.M.  Central  Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Fellow  Listoids,


My favorite meteorite in my 'never sell'  collection  is an unclassified NWA
I 
received in late 
2005 or early   2006.  It is half of an individual with exceptional primary 
crust  and  spectacular 
oriented flowlines.  It also features a gigantic  chondrule.  

The fractured face is lightly secondary melted and  shows a lot of  detail.  
The primary crust 
can be seen edge on  in the fractured  face.  It is quite thick.  I thought 
about  polishing the 
fractured  face, but have pretty much decided against it  as, to my eye, it
is 
spectacular  to 
behold without  polishing.  I may yet polish it but then again who  knows.   
A...  the choices 
we have to make :)

The first  pic  [links below] is of the primary crusted half with the 
chondrule and  clearly  shows 
the oriented flowlines.  The second pic is of the  fractured  face.  Pic #1
is 
very large so the 
detail shows  up clearly.  Pic  #2 is of the fractured face and is a bit 
smaller  than pic   #1.

http://www.webbers.com/meteorites/images/halfloaf5.jpg
http://www.webbers.com/meteorites/images/halfloaf-lipping.jpg

I   look at this specimen closely almost every day and some new detail  always

pops  out to me.

What is your favorite meteorite in  your collection?  Got  Pics?

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Re: [meteorite-list] I will no longer ship to Italy using paypal

The facts arrive, from another italian, my fact is pass over
1 year with a slice of Tenham, months and months never
arrive and after is strangly arrive when I have contact for
many times Bostick...probably not have sent? And after have
sent immediatly but only after he have say the faoult is of
the italian mail?

Matteo

- Original Message -
Da : Andreas Gren [EMAIL PROTECTED]
A : [EMAIL PROTECTED];
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Oggetto : Re: [meteorite-list] I will no longer ship to
Italy using paypal
Data : Thu, 17 Jan 2008 21:51:18 +0100

 with Mark Bostik, and others here have problems with
 this last person with packs never arrive
 
 Matteo,
 Facts please
 You know here to state statements like this mean you are
 the one responsible for proof.
 
 Andi
 
 -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
 Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im
 Auftrag von M come Meteorite Meteorites
 Gesendet: Donnerstag, 17. Januar 2008 21:24
 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] I will no longer ship to
 Italy using paypal
 
 bah...I receive every day packs from outside Italy and
 from USA with value declared and no and any of this go
 lost, only in 2 cases here the pack is never arrive, one
 with Cottingham why not have sent via registered letter
 and another with Mark Bostik, and others here have
 problems with this last person with packs never arrive
 
 Matteo
 
 - Original Message -
 Da : Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 A : meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Oggetto : [meteorite-list] I will no longer ship to Italy
 using paypal
 Data : Thu, 17 Jan 2008 11:09:14 -0800 (PST)
 
  List members, I don't know about others, but myself
  and Robert Ward have both been ripped off by
  paypal/Italian buyers lately.
  
  In the last few months, I have had 5 ebay items lost
  on the way to Italy and claims filed, where paypal
  took my money automatically. 
  I will no longer ship anything to Italy using paypal,
  any orders from Italy must be paid for with cash or
  international postal money order. Then I will ship, so
  that if the items are stolen by corrupt Italian postal
  workers, that is not my problem.
  
  This has become so common, that either all packages to
  Italy are stolen, or Italian ebay buyers are on to the
  paypal scam and get the items, then claim refunds. 
  Anyone else having this problem lately?
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Re: [meteorite-list] There we go again!!!! Warning.

2008-01-17 Thread Ruben Garcia

Hi Anne,
It happened to me too! I was trying to sell myself
replica watches. (I didn't buy any!!lol)

It may be that many from this list are having the same problem.

Ruben Garcia
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Re: [meteorite-list] I will no longer ship to Italy using paypal

bah...I receive every day packs from outside Italy and from
USA with value declared and no and any of this go lost, only
in 2 cases here the pack is never arrive, one with
Cottingham why not have sent via registered letter and
another with Mark Bostik, and others here have problems with
this last person with packs never arrive

Matteo

- Original Message -
Da : Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
A : meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Oggetto : [meteorite-list] I will no longer ship to Italy
using paypal
Data : Thu, 17 Jan 2008 11:09:14 -0800 (PST)

 List members, I don't know about others, but myself
 and Robert Ward have both been ripped off by
 paypal/Italian buyers lately.
 
 In the last few months, I have had 5 ebay items lost
 on the way to Italy and claims filed, where paypal
 took my money automatically. 
 I will no longer ship anything to Italy using paypal,
 any orders from Italy must be paid for with cash or
 international postal money order. Then I will ship, so
 that if the items are stolen by corrupt Italian postal
 workers, that is not my problem.
 
 This has become so common, that either all packages to
 Italy are stolen, or Italian ebay buyers are on to the
 paypal scam and get the items, then claim refunds. 
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Re: [meteorite-list] I will no longer ship to Italy using paypal

Matteo, registered items here starts at $7.00.
Do you want to pay $10.00 shipping for a $10.00 item?
I don't think so.  I am sick and tired of every item I
send to Italy being lost.
That is it, I am done, sorry Italians, but blame your
postal system.
Michael Farmer
--- M come Meteorite Meteorites
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 bah...I receive every day packs from outside Italy
 and from
 USA with value declared and no and any of this go
 lost, only
 in 2 cases here the pack is never arrive, one with
 Cottingham why not have sent via registered letter
 and
 another with Mark Bostik, and others here have
 problems with
 this last person with packs never arrive
 
 Matteo
 
 - Original Message -
 Da : Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 A : meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Oggetto : [meteorite-list] I will no longer ship to
 Italy
 using paypal
 Data : Thu, 17 Jan 2008 11:09:14 -0800 (PST)
 
  List members, I don't know about others, but
 myself
  and Robert Ward have both been ripped off by
  paypal/Italian buyers lately.
  
  In the last few months, I have had 5 ebay items
 lost
  on the way to Italy and claims filed, where paypal
  took my money automatically. 
  I will no longer ship anything to Italy using
 paypal,
  any orders from Italy must be paid for with cash
 or
  international postal money order. Then I will
 ship, so
  that if the items are stolen by corrupt Italian
 postal
  workers, that is not my problem.
  
  This has become so common, that either all
 packages to
  Italy are stolen, or Italian ebay buyers are on to
 the
  paypal scam and get the items, then claim refunds.
 
  Anyone else having this problem lately?
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Re: [meteorite-list] I will no longer ship to Italy using paypal

Hey, I was reading about how corrupt Italy is
yesterday on my flight from London, it seems that
Naples is buried under thousands of tons of trash for
the last few months, every street piled high in
stinking garbage, why, the MAFIA controls all garbage
collection there, and they want money to make new
landfills. How pathetic, one of Europe's great cities
filled with trash by corrupt government.
Ship to Italy at your own risk, as someone who has
sold thousands of items on ebay last year, I know what
I am talking about.
Michael Farmer


--- michael cottingham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I HAVE HAD TWO REGISTERD MAILS TO ITALY DISAPPEAR
 and One to GERMANY. ALL
 RECEIPTS KEPT AND PHOTOS SENT. NO TRACE.  I have
 mailed over 500 packages in
 the last 6 months... I believe I know my business.
 Don't tell me registered
 mails don't disappear.
 
 WHY is it that the US Postal System will not give
 insurance on packages to
 Italy?  Because that system is corrupt beyond
 understanding!  
 
 Michael Cottingham
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of M come
 Meteorite Meteorites
 Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 1:55 PM
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] I will no longer ship
 to Italy using paypal
 
 buhauhauahuhaI received all via registered mail
 or via
 FedEx and all arrive. Its well know you never ship
 via
 registered mail.
 
 matteo
 
 - Original Message -
 Da : michael cottingham [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 A : 'M come Meteorite Meteorites'
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Oggetto : RE: [meteorite-list] I will no longer ship
 to
 Italy using paypal
 Data : Thu, 17 Jan 2008 13:44:04 -0700
 
  Matteo
  
  REGISTERED MAIL TO ITALY DISAPPEARS TOO!
  
  Michael Cottingham
  
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On
  Behalf Of M come Meteorite Meteorites
  Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 1:27 PM
  To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] I will no longer
 ship to
  Italy using paypal
  
  or why you have never sent pack with registered
 mail how
  had I asked in my case?  
  
  Matteo
  
  - Original Message -
  Da : michael cottingham [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  A : 'Michael Farmer' [EMAIL PROTECTED],
  meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
  Oggetto : Re: [meteorite-list] I will no longer
 ship to
  Italy using paypal
  Data : Thu, 17 Jan 2008 13:09:42 -0700
  
   YES. Over the last year the Italian postal
 service has
   caused much mayhem and madness for me. I wonder
 if we
   have the same buyers making the same claims?
 Same scams
   going down or just an extremely corrupt postal
 service
   in Italy? I hate to lump the whole Italian
 Postal
   Service into a toilet category, but NO other
 postal
   service has even come close to being so corrupt.
 
   The next worse in my experience is the GERMAN
 CUSTOMS,
   who sometimes hold on to packages for months!
 They don't
   seem to be corrupt, just after every penny they
 can get
   for customs duty. They are very slow sometimes.
   
   I too have thought about not sending to Italy
 anymore.
   
   Best Wishes
   
   Michael Cottingham
   
   -Original Message-
   From:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On
   Behalf Of Michael Farmer
   Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 12:09 PM
   To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
   Subject: [meteorite-list] I will no longer ship
 to Italy
   using paypal
   
   List members, I don't know about others, but
 myself
   and Robert Ward have both been ripped off by
   paypal/Italian buyers lately.
   
   In the last few months, I have had 5 ebay items
 lost
   on the way to Italy and claims filed, where
 paypal
   took my money automatically. 
   I will no longer ship anything to Italy using
 paypal,
   any orders from Italy must be paid for with cash
 or
   international postal money order. Then I will
 ship, so
   that if the items are stolen by corrupt Italian
 postal
   workers, that is not my problem.
   
   This has become so common, that either all
 packages to
   Italy are stolen, or Italian ebay buyers are on
 to the
   paypal scam and get the items, then claim
 refunds. 
   Anyone else having this problem lately?
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Re: [meteorite-list] I will no longer ship to Italy using paypal

2008-01-17 Thread Mark Crawford

I imagine because for smaller orders it's not worth the hassle and extra 
cost?


M come Meteorite Meteorites wrote:

or why you have never sent pack with registered mail how had
I asked in my case?  


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Re: [meteorite-list] I will no longer ship to Italy using paypal

2008-01-17 Thread michael cottingham

I HAVE HAD TWO REGISTERD MAILS TO ITALY DISAPPEAR and One to GERMANY. ALL
RECEIPTS KEPT AND PHOTOS SENT. NO TRACE.  I have mailed over 500 packages in
the last 6 months... I believe I know my business. Don't tell me registered
mails don't disappear.

WHY is it that the US Postal System will not give insurance on packages to
Italy?  Because that system is corrupt beyond understanding!  

Michael Cottingham

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of M come
Meteorite Meteorites
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 1:55 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] I will no longer ship to Italy using paypal

buhauhauahuhaI received all via registered mail or via
FedEx and all arrive. Its well know you never ship via
registered mail.

matteo

- Original Message -
Da : michael cottingham [EMAIL PROTECTED]
A : 'M come Meteorite Meteorites' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Oggetto : RE: [meteorite-list] I will no longer ship to
Italy using paypal
Data : Thu, 17 Jan 2008 13:44:04 -0700

 Matteo
 
 REGISTERED MAIL TO ITALY DISAPPEARS TOO!
 
 Michael Cottingham
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of M come Meteorite Meteorites
 Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 1:27 PM
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] I will no longer ship to
 Italy using paypal
 
 or why you have never sent pack with registered mail how
 had I asked in my case?  
 
 Matteo
 
 - Original Message -
 Da : michael cottingham [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 A : 'Michael Farmer' [EMAIL PROTECTED],
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Oggetto : Re: [meteorite-list] I will no longer ship to
 Italy using paypal
 Data : Thu, 17 Jan 2008 13:09:42 -0700
 
  YES. Over the last year the Italian postal service has
  caused much mayhem and madness for me. I wonder if we
  have the same buyers making the same claims? Same scams
  going down or just an extremely corrupt postal service
  in Italy? I hate to lump the whole Italian Postal
  Service into a toilet category, but NO other postal
  service has even come close to being so corrupt. 
  The next worse in my experience is the GERMAN CUSTOMS,
  who sometimes hold on to packages for months! They don't
  seem to be corrupt, just after every penny they can get
  for customs duty. They are very slow sometimes.
  
  I too have thought about not sending to Italy anymore.
  
  Best Wishes
  
  Michael Cottingham
  
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
  Behalf Of Michael Farmer
  Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 12:09 PM
  To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
  Subject: [meteorite-list] I will no longer ship to Italy
  using paypal
  
  List members, I don't know about others, but myself
  and Robert Ward have both been ripped off by
  paypal/Italian buyers lately.
  
  In the last few months, I have had 5 ebay items lost
  on the way to Italy and claims filed, where paypal
  took my money automatically. 
  I will no longer ship anything to Italy using paypal,
  any orders from Italy must be paid for with cash or
  international postal money order. Then I will ship, so
  that if the items are stolen by corrupt Italian postal
  workers, that is not my problem.
  
  This has become so common, that either all packages to
  Italy are stolen, or Italian ebay buyers are on to the
  paypal scam and get the items, then claim refunds. 
  Anyone else having this problem lately?
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Re: [meteorite-list] I will no longer ship to Italy using paypal

Give me a break, 
Whatever, don't worry about it, Italy is off my
shipping list.
out of the last 10 chargebacks on paypal, 8 were from
Italy, one from france, one from Germany.
That is too many losses for me, paypal refunds all
their money, I am left with nothing. I will not do it
again.
Michael Farmer
--- M come Meteorite Meteorites
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The facts arrive, from another italian, my fact is
 pass over
 1 year with a slice of Tenham, months and months
 never
 arrive and after is strangly arrive when I have
 contact for
 many times Bostick...probably not have sent? And
 after have
 sent immediatly but only after he have say the
 faoult is of
 the italian mail?
 
 Matteo
 
 - Original Message -
 Da : Andreas Gren [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 A : [EMAIL PROTECTED];
 Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Oggetto : Re: [meteorite-list] I will no longer ship
 to
 Italy using paypal
 Data : Thu, 17 Jan 2008 21:51:18 +0100
 
  with Mark Bostik, and others here have problems
 with
  this last person with packs never arrive
  
  Matteo,
  Facts please
  You know here to state statements like this mean
 you are
  the one responsible for proof.
  
  Andi
  
  -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
  Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Im
  Auftrag von M come Meteorite Meteorites
  Gesendet: Donnerstag, 17. Januar 2008 21:24
  An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
  Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] I will no longer
 ship to
  Italy using paypal
  
  bah...I receive every day packs from outside Italy
 and
  from USA with value declared and no and any of
 this go
  lost, only in 2 cases here the pack is never
 arrive, one
  with Cottingham why not have sent via registered
 letter
  and another with Mark Bostik, and others here have
  problems with this last person with packs never
 arrive
  
  Matteo
  
  - Original Message -
  Da : Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  A : meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
  Oggetto : [meteorite-list] I will no longer ship
 to Italy
  using paypal
  Data : Thu, 17 Jan 2008 11:09:14 -0800 (PST)
  
   List members, I don't know about others, but
 myself
   and Robert Ward have both been ripped off by
   paypal/Italian buyers lately.
   
   In the last few months, I have had 5 ebay items
 lost
   on the way to Italy and claims filed, where
 paypal
   took my money automatically. 
   I will no longer ship anything to Italy using
 paypal,
   any orders from Italy must be paid for with cash
 or
   international postal money order. Then I will
 ship, so
   that if the items are stolen by corrupt Italian
 postal
   workers, that is not my problem.
   
   This has become so common, that either all
 packages to
   Italy are stolen, or Italian ebay buyers are on
 to the
   paypal scam and get the items, then claim
 refunds. 
   Anyone else having this problem lately?
   Michael Farmer
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Re: [meteorite-list] I will no longer ship to Italy using paypal

2008-01-17 Thread Adam Hupe

I agree 100% on this isssue,

I agree, Italy is a huge problem. I had to change
hundreds of descriptions because of lost packages,
mainly to Italy.  In my eBay descriptions, I now state
that I am no longer responsible for delays or lost
items if USPS Global Express is not opted for at at
cost $25.00 for those overseas. If you are from Italy,
be forewarned, I will no longer take responsibility
for delayed or lost packages and will demonstrate to
PayPal that I state this in every description if any
more claims are made.  I have lost thousands of
dollars in refunds and claims, almost to the point
eBay and PayPal are no longer worth it. 

Best Regards,

Adam

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[meteorite-list] MESSENGER: New Images Shed Light on Mercury's Geological History, Surface Textures

2008-01-17 Thread Ron Baalke


http://messenger.jhuapl.edu/news_room/status_report_01_17_08.html

MESSENGER Mission News
January 17, 2008

New Images Shed Light on Mercury's Geological History, Surface Textures
MESSENGER Reveals Mercury's Geological History

Shortly following MESSENGER's closest approach to Mercury on January 14,
2008, the spacecraft's Narrow Angle Camera (NAC) on the Mercury Dual
Imaging System (MDIS) instrument acquired this image
http://messenger.jhuapl.edu/gallery/sciencePhotos/image.php?gallery_id=2image_id=121
as part of a mosaic that covers much of the sunlit portion of the
hemisphere not viewed by Mariner 10. Images such as this one can be read
in terms of a sequence of geological events and provide insight into the
relative timing of processes that have acted on Mercury's surface in the
past.

The double-ringed crater pictured in the upper right of this image
appears to be filled with smooth plains material, perhaps volcanic in
nature. This crater was subsequently disrupted by the formation of a
prominent scarp (cliff), the surface expression of a major crustal fault
system, that runs alongside part of its southern rim and may have led to
the uplift seen across a portion of the crater's floor. A smaller crater
in the upper left of the image has also been cut by the scarp, showing
that the fault beneath the scarp was active after both of these craters
had formed.

The MESSENGER team is working to combine inferences about the timing of
events gained from this image with similar information from the hundreds
of other images acquired by MESSENGER to extend and refine the
geological history of Mercury previously defined on the basis only of
Mariner 10 images.

This MESSENGER image was taken from a distance of about 18,000
kilometers (11,000 miles) from the surface of Mercury, at 20:03 UTC,
about 58 minutes after the closest approach point of the flyby. The
region shown is about 500 kilometers (300 miles) across, and craters as
small as 1 kilometer (0.6 mile) can be seen in this image.



MESSENGER Views Mercury's Horizon

As the MESSENGER spacecraft drew closer to Mercury for its historic
first flyby, the spacecraft's Narrow Angle Camera (NAC) on the Mercury
Dual Imaging System (MDIS) acquired an image mosaic of the sunlit
portion of the planet. This image
http://messenger.jhuapl.edu/gallery/sciencePhotos/image.php?gallery_id=2image_id=122
is one of those mosaic frames and was acquired on January 14, 2008,
18:10 UTC, when the spacecraft was about 18,000 kilometers (11,000
miles) from the surface of Mercury, about 55 minutes before MESSENGER's
closest approach to the planet.

The image shows a variety of surface textures, including smooth plains
at the center of the image, many impact craters (some with central
peaks), and rough material that appears to have been ejected from the
large crater to the lower right. This large 200-kilometer-wide (about
120 miles) crater was seen in less detail by Mariner 10 more than three
decades ago and was named Sholem Aleichem for the Yiddish writer. In
this MESSENGER image, it can be seen that the plains deposits filling
the crater's interior have been deformed by linear ridges. The shadowed
area on the right of the image is the day-night boundary, known as the
terminator. Altogether, MESSENGER acquired over 1200 images of Mercury,
which the science team members are now examining in detail to learn
about the history and evolution of the innermost planet.



Additional information and features from MESSENGER's first flyby of
Mercury will be available online at
http://messenger.jhuapl.edu/mer_flyby1.html. Following the flyby, be
sure to check for the latest released images and science results!



MESSENGER (MErcury Surface, Space ENvironment, GEochemistry, and
Ranging) is a NASA-sponsored scientific investigation of the planet
Mercury and the first space mission designed to orbit the planet closest
to the Sun. The MESSENGER spacecraft launched on August 3, 2004, and
after flybys of Earth, Venus, and Mercury will start a yearlong study of
its target planet in March 2011. Dr. Sean C. Solomon, of the Carnegie
Institution of Washington, leads the mission as principal investigator. 
The Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory built and 
operates the MESSENGER spacecraft and manages this Discovery -class 
mission for NASA.


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Re: [meteorite-list] I will no longer ship to Italy using paypal

here a registered mail to USA cost 5 euro, but any my client
have say nothing on this price, and normaly a registered
mail to USA arrive in 10-15 days

matteo

- Original Message -
Da : Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
A : M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED],
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Oggetto : Re: [meteorite-list] I will no longer ship to
Italy using paypal
Data : Thu, 17 Jan 2008 13:34:57 -0800 (PST)

 Matteo, registered items here starts at $7.00.
 Do you want to pay $10.00 shipping for a $10.00 item?
 I don't think so.  I am sick and tired of every item I
 send to Italy being lost.
 That is it, I am done, sorry Italians, but blame your
 postal system.
 Michael Farmer
 --- M come Meteorite Meteorites
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  bah...I receive every day packs from outside Italy
  and from
  USA with value declared and no and any of this go
  lost, only
  in 2 cases here the pack is never arrive, one with
  Cottingham why not have sent via registered letter
  and
  another with Mark Bostik, and others here have
  problems with
  this last person with packs never arrive
  
  Matteo
  
  - Original Message -
  Da : Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  A : meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
  Oggetto : [meteorite-list] I will no longer ship to
  Italy
  using paypal
  Data : Thu, 17 Jan 2008 11:09:14 -0800 (PST)
  
   List members, I don't know about others, but
  myself
   and Robert Ward have both been ripped off by
   paypal/Italian buyers lately.
   
   In the last few months, I have had 5 ebay items
  lost
   on the way to Italy and claims filed, where paypal
   took my money automatically. 
   I will no longer ship anything to Italy using
  paypal,
   any orders from Italy must be paid for with cash
  or
   international postal money order. Then I will
  ship, so
   that if the items are stolen by corrupt Italian
  postal
   workers, that is not my problem.
   
   This has become so common, that either all
  packages to
   Italy are stolen, or Italian ebay buyers are on to
  the
   paypal scam and get the items, then claim refunds.
  
   Anyone else having this problem lately?
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[meteorite-list] 3.7 gram claxton, 1 dollar no reserve

2008-01-17 Thread mckinney trammell

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=290199396266


  

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Re: [meteorite-list] I will no longer ship to Italy using paypal

registered airmail or FedEx

matteo

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Oggetto : [meteorite-list]  I will no longer ship to Italy
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Data : Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:05:58 -0500

 What mail service do you use?
 
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[meteorite-list] 3.7 gram CLAXON, Ga one dollar no reserve

2008-01-17 Thread mckinney trammell

here it is - this UNHEARD of deal- 3.7 gram claxton
from fernlea for ONE DOLLAR NO RESERVE- NO STRINGS
ATTACHED.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=290199396266 


  

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Re: [meteorite-list] I will no longer ship to Italy using paypal

2008-01-17 Thread Mirko Graul

Hi Mike and list members,

when I started meteorite at ebay to sell me were also
two items lost. 
Since that day i send only registered! 
Since I have more than 2000 items shipped and not is
lost. 
If a buyer wants to save shipping costs and the risk
loves he can not buy me. 
I send all pices registered worldwide. 
It is so easy to prevent! 
It is not the Post Office and the Customs trust!
 

best wishes Mirko






--- Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:

 Give me a break, 
 Whatever, don't worry about it, Italy is off my
 shipping list.
 out of the last 10 chargebacks on paypal, 8 were
 from
 Italy, one from france, one from Germany.
 That is too many losses for me, paypal refunds all
 their money, I am left with nothing. I will not do
 it
 again.
 Michael Farmer
 --- M come Meteorite Meteorites
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  The facts arrive, from another italian, my fact is
  pass over
  1 year with a slice of Tenham, months and months
  never
  arrive and after is strangly arrive when I have
  contact for
  many times Bostick...probably not have sent? And
  after have
  sent immediatly but only after he have say the
  faoult is of
  the italian mail?
  
  Matteo
  
  - Original Message -
  Da : Andreas Gren [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  A : [EMAIL PROTECTED];
  Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
  Oggetto : Re: [meteorite-list] I will no longer
 ship
  to
  Italy using paypal
  Data : Thu, 17 Jan 2008 21:51:18 +0100
  
   with Mark Bostik, and others here have problems
  with
   this last person with packs never arrive
   
   Matteo,
   Facts please
   You know here to state statements like this mean
  you are
   the one responsible for proof.
   
   Andi
   
   -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
   Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Im
   Auftrag von M come Meteorite Meteorites
   Gesendet: Donnerstag, 17. Januar 2008 21:24
   An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
   Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] I will no longer
  ship to
   Italy using paypal
   
   bah...I receive every day packs from outside
 Italy
  and
   from USA with value declared and no and any of
  this go
   lost, only in 2 cases here the pack is never
  arrive, one
   with Cottingham why not have sent via registered
  letter
   and another with Mark Bostik, and others here
 have
   problems with this last person with packs never
  arrive
   
   Matteo
   
   - Original Message -
   Da : Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   A : meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
   Oggetto : [meteorite-list] I will no longer ship
  to Italy
   using paypal
   Data : Thu, 17 Jan 2008 11:09:14 -0800 (PST)
   
List members, I don't know about others, but
  myself
and Robert Ward have both been ripped off by
paypal/Italian buyers lately.

In the last few months, I have had 5 ebay
 items
  lost
on the way to Italy and claims filed, where
  paypal
took my money automatically. 
I will no longer ship anything to Italy using
  paypal,
any orders from Italy must be paid for with
 cash
  or
international postal money order. Then I will
  ship, so
that if the items are stolen by corrupt
 Italian
  postal
workers, that is not my problem.

This has become so common, that either all
  packages to
Italy are stolen, or Italian ebay buyers are
 on
  to the
paypal scam and get the items, then claim
  refunds. 
Anyone else having this problem lately?
Michael Farmer
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Re: [meteorite-list] I will no longer ship to Italy using paypal

2008-01-17 Thread Bob Evans

Geez,
Is there really any surprise that there is corruption in Italy ?
Isnt that the origin of the Mafia and organized crime ??
H ??
- Original Message - 
From: Mirko Graul [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 5:39 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] I will no longer ship to Italy using paypal

Mike,
oh,that i did not know.
I can understand.
Time is money.
More time for fill out the paperwork is more time.
Yes,that is difficult.
Here in Germany it is easy!
The same work and the same time for registered and not
registered airmail.

Many greetings Mirko

--- Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:

Mirko, I simply can not send a $10.00 item via
registered mail, here we must fill out paperwork for
that, not like Germany where they only scan a lable
and the number is on your receipt.
Mike
--- Mirko Graul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Mike and list members,

 when I started meteorite at ebay to sell me were
 also
 two items lost.
 Since that day i send only registered!
 Since I have more than 2000 items shipped and not
is
 lost.
 If a buyer wants to save shipping costs and the
risk
 loves he can not buy me.
 I send all pices registered worldwide.
 It is so easy to prevent!
 It is not the Post Office and the Customs trust!

 best wishes Mirko

 --- Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
schrieb:

  Give me a break,
  Whatever, don't worry about it, Italy is off my
  shipping list.
  out of the last 10 chargebacks on paypal, 8 were
  from
  Italy, one from france, one from Germany.
  That is too many losses for me, paypal refunds
all
  their money, I am left with nothing. I will not
do
  it
  again.
  Michael Farmer
  --- M come Meteorite Meteorites
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   The facts arrive, from another italian, my
fact
 is
   pass over
   1 year with a slice of Tenham, months and
months
   never
   arrive and after is strangly arrive when I
have
   contact for
   many times Bostick...probably not have sent?
And
   after have
   sent immediatly but only after he have say the
   faoult is of
   the italian mail?

   Matteo

   - Original Message -
   Da : Andreas Gren [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   A : [EMAIL PROTECTED];
   Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
   Oggetto : Re: [meteorite-list] I will no
longer
  ship
   to
   Italy using paypal
   Data : Thu, 17 Jan 2008 21:51:18 +0100

with Mark Bostik, and others here have
 problems
   with
this last person with packs never arrive

Matteo,
Facts please
You know here to state statements like this
 mean
   you are
the one responsible for proof.

Andi

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Im
Auftrag von M come Meteorite Meteorites
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 17. Januar 2008 21:24
An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] I will no
longer
   ship to
Italy using paypal

bah...I receive every day packs from outside
  Italy
   and
from USA with value declared and no and any
of
   this go
lost, only in 2 cases here the pack is never
   arrive, one
with Cottingham why not have sent via
 registered
   letter
and another with Mark Bostik, and others
here
  have
problems with this last person with packs
 never
   arrive

Matteo

- Original Message -
Da : Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
A : meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Oggetto : [meteorite-list] I will no longer
 ship
   to Italy
using paypal
Data : Thu, 17 Jan 2008 11:09:14 -0800 (PST)

 List members, I don't know about others,
but
   myself
 and Robert Ward have both been ripped off
by
 paypal/Italian buyers lately.

 In the last few months, I have had 5 ebay
  items
   lost
 on the way to Italy and claims filed,
where
   paypal
 took my money automatically.
 I will no longer ship anything to Italy
 using
   paypal,
 any orders from Italy must be paid for
with
  cash
   or
 international postal money order. Then I
 will
   ship, so
 that if the items are stolen by corrupt
  Italian
   postal
 workers, that is not my problem.

 This has become so common, that either all
   packages to
 Italy are stolen, or Italian ebay buyers
are
  on
   to the
 paypal scam and get the items, then claim
   refunds.
 Anyone else having this problem lately?
 Michael Farmer

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Re: [meteorite-list] I will no longer ship to Italy using paypal

Adam, if they pay via paypal, it does not matter what
you say or demand, if they py with paypal, and you do
not use FEDEX or DHL, or UPS, then they will refund
the money to the buyer.
What you say in your auction means nothing.
I have went round and round with Paypal over this, it
does not matter, if you, the shipper does not provide
a tracking number (registered mail does not count)
then they automatically refund the payment.
I am telling you from over $2000 lost money now.
NO MORE ITALY with paypal.
FINITO
Michael Farmer
--- Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I agree 100% on this isssue,
 
 I agree, Italy is a huge problem. I had to change
 hundreds of descriptions because of lost packages,
 mainly to Italy.  In my eBay descriptions, I now
 state
 that I am no longer responsible for delays or lost
 items if USPS Global Express is not opted for at at
 cost $25.00 for those overseas. If you are from
 Italy,
 be forewarned, I will no longer take responsibility
 for delayed or lost packages and will demonstrate to
 PayPal that I state this in every description if any
 more claims are made.  I have lost thousands of
 dollars in refunds and claims, almost to the point
 eBay and PayPal are no longer worth it. 
 
 Best Regards,
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] I will no longer ship to Italy using paypal

2008-01-17 Thread Mike Groetz

Matteo-
   Ref: hahahahah.Cottingham stop to say balls..

   I have to ask- why should Michael stop and say
balls?

   Will that change anything?

Mike


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 hahahahah.Cottingham stop to say balls, I have
 just
 received few days ago two Zeiss Luminar macro lens
 from USA
 with value declared of $850 and its arrive via
 registered
 mail via USPS, the same for a Nikon bellow of $250
 arrive
 the same in 1 week without any problem, I have buy a
 meteorite coin from Nakhladog and its arrive without
 any
 problem...etc.. etc... is well know you are not the
 first
 time you ship via odinary mail and the packs is
 normaly they
 go lost.
 
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] BBC Sky at night prog features meteorites( credits Mike Farmer) + Haag prog.

Graham, 
thanks for the link, I just watched the show. 
I gave them permission to use the photos, I like the
way it turned out.
Michael Farmer


--- ensoramanda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi again,
 
 First of all...thanks to all those that replied to
 my post Dirk, Ian, 
 Peter, Jason, etc. about the possible impact crater
 formation I 
 photographed whilst flying over  N China/Mongolia. 
 

http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o43/LaburnumStudio/Craters/Crater-.jpg
 
 I am still not convinced that I have identified it.
 
 Some of you helped by plotting the flight path from
 London to HongKong 
 to narrow down the search...but the most likely
 known craterTabun 
 Khara Obo crater..seems to be too far east of the
 flight path...although 
 it looks about right.
 
 Next..
 
 Interesting series on UKTV Documentary at the
 moment...Earthshock...last 
 nights was about earth impacts and featured Bob Haag
 for a while hunting 
 and in his strongroom.
 
 I seem to be having a great meteorite month. (Pity I
 cant cap it with a 
 Tucson Visit  :-(  ) This months BBC Sky at Night is
 on cosmic debris? I 
 just caught up with it online (after my trek around
 the Ozzy meteorite 
 museums and craters) at...
 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/space/spaceguide/skyatnight/proginfo.shtml
 
 worth a look...you can watch it online for a while.
 Mike is credited for 
 his Carancas pictures which feature prominently.
 
 It just so happens it features Dr Richard Greenwood
 whom Prof Colin 
 Pillinger referred me to when we met at a recent
 Flamsteed lecture.
 

http://www.open.ac.uk/science/pssri/about-the-department/news/news.php?article_id=12768
 
 
 
 Some nice info on their site about involvement in
 the Stardust, Rosetta 
 and other missions too.
 
 Quite a coincidence as Richard is showing me around
 their facilities and 
 collection tomorrow.
 He has just helped with the classification of
 Carancas...quote
 
 In terms of meteorite samples we have pretty much
 finished our work on
 Carancas. The Peruvian mineralogical survey were
 able to supply a sample
 for oxygen isotope analysis and we were able to
 confirm its
 classification as H4/5 ( Met. Bull
 http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/index.php 
 
 So looking forward to heading down to the OU with
 some unclassified 
 samples in the morning.
 
 Graham Ensor, Nr Barwell, UK
 
 
 
 
 
 Very best wishes
 
 Richard
 
 
 
 So tomorrow I am off with some of my space rocks to
 look around the 
 meteorite collection and classification facilities
 at the OU Planetary 
 and Space Sciences Research Institute in Milton
 Keynes.should be fun!
 
 G
 
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] I will no longer ship to Italy using paypal

Naples is another question, is well know the problems they
have. This is a OT with the argoument



- Original Message -
Da : Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
A : michael cottingham [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'M come
Meteorite Meteorites' [EMAIL PROTECTED],
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Oggetto : Re: [meteorite-list] I will no longer ship to
Italy using paypal
Data : Thu, 17 Jan 2008 13:50:28 -0800 (PST)

 Hey, I was reading about how corrupt Italy is
 yesterday on my flight from London, it seems that
 Naples is buried under thousands of tons of trash for
 the last few months, every street piled high in
 stinking garbage, why, the MAFIA controls all garbage
 collection there, and they want money to make new
 landfills. How pathetic, one of Europe's great cities
 filled with trash by corrupt government.
 Ship to Italy at your own risk, as someone who has
 sold thousands of items on ebay last year, I know what
 I am talking about.
 Michael Farmer
 
 
 --- michael cottingham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I HAVE HAD TWO REGISTERD MAILS TO ITALY DISAPPEAR
  and One to GERMANY. ALL
  RECEIPTS KEPT AND PHOTOS SENT. NO TRACE.  I have
  mailed over 500 packages in
  the last 6 months... I believe I know my business.
  Don't tell me registered
  mails don't disappear.
  
  WHY is it that the US Postal System will not give
  insurance on packages to
  Italy?  Because that system is corrupt beyond
  understanding!  
  
  Michael Cottingham
  
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  On Behalf Of M come
  Meteorite Meteorites
  Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 1:55 PM
  To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] I will no longer ship
  to Italy using paypal
  
  buhauhauahuhaI received all via registered mail
  or via
  FedEx and all arrive. Its well know you never ship
  via
  registered mail.
  
  matteo
  
  - Original Message -
  Da : michael cottingham [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  A : 'M come Meteorite Meteorites'
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Oggetto : RE: [meteorite-list] I will no longer ship
  to
  Italy using paypal
  Data : Thu, 17 Jan 2008 13:44:04 -0700
  
   Matteo
   
   REGISTERED MAIL TO ITALY DISAPPEARS TOO!
   
   Michael Cottingham
   
   -Original Message-
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  On
   Behalf Of M come Meteorite Meteorites
   Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 1:27 PM
   To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
   Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] I will no longer
  ship to
   Italy using paypal
   
   or why you have never sent pack with registered
  mail how
   had I asked in my case?  
   
   Matteo
   
   - Original Message -
   Da : michael cottingham [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   A : 'Michael Farmer' [EMAIL PROTECTED],
   meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
   Oggetto : Re: [meteorite-list] I will no longer
  ship to
   Italy using paypal
   Data : Thu, 17 Jan 2008 13:09:42 -0700
   
YES. Over the last year the Italian postal
  service has
caused much mayhem and madness for me. I wonder
  if we
have the same buyers making the same claims?
  Same scams
going down or just an extremely corrupt postal
  service
in Italy? I hate to lump the whole Italian
  Postal
Service into a toilet category, but NO other
  postal
service has even come close to being so corrupt.
  
The next worse in my experience is the GERMAN
  CUSTOMS,
who sometimes hold on to packages for months!
  They don't
seem to be corrupt, just after every penny they
  can get
for customs duty. They are very slow sometimes.

I too have thought about not sending to Italy
  anymore.

Best Wishes

Michael Cottingham

-Original Message-
From:
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  On
Behalf Of Michael Farmer
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 12:09 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] I will no longer ship
  to Italy
using paypal

List members, I don't know about others, but
  myself
and Robert Ward have both been ripped off by
paypal/Italian buyers lately.

In the last few months, I have had 5 ebay items
  lost
on the way to Italy and claims filed, where
  paypal
took my money automatically. 
I will no longer ship anything to Italy using
  paypal,
any orders from Italy must be paid for with cash
  or
international postal money order. Then I will
  ship, so
that if the items are stolen by corrupt Italian
  postal
workers, that is not my problem.

This has become so common, that either all
  packages to
Italy are stolen, or Italian ebay buyers are on
  to the
paypal scam and get the items, then claim
  refunds. 
Anyone else having this problem lately?
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Re: [meteorite-list] Answer re Auction Update

2008-01-17 Thread Michael L Blood

on 1/17/08 3:01 PM, Dave Mouat at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Michael
 
 So does this mean (paragraph 3, lines 2 to 4) that someone who bids and
 wins can check out before the end of the auction?  A lot of us have
 been lobbying for that, but it has not happened.
 
 Thanks
 
 Dave
Hi Dave and all,
That is exactly what it means. You can bid, buy and leave.
Best wishes, Michael 


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Re: [meteorite-list] I will no longer ship to Italy using paypal

2008-01-17 Thread Mirko Graul

Mike,
oh,that i did not know.
I can understand.
Time is money.
More time for fill out the paperwork is more time.
Yes,that is difficult.
Here in Germany it is easy!
The same work and the same time for registered and not
registered airmail.

Many greetings Mirko



 
--- Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:

 Mirko, I simply can not send a $10.00 item via
 registered mail, here we must fill out paperwork for
 that, not like Germany where they only scan a lable
 and the number is on your receipt. 
 Mike
 --- Mirko Graul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Hi Mike and list members,
  
  when I started meteorite at ebay to sell me were
  also
  two items lost. 
  Since that day i send only registered! 
  Since I have more than 2000 items shipped and not
 is
  lost. 
  If a buyer wants to save shipping costs and the
 risk
  loves he can not buy me. 
  I send all pices registered worldwide. 
  It is so easy to prevent! 
  It is not the Post Office and the Customs trust!
   
  
  best wishes Mirko
  
  
  
  
  
  
  --- Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 schrieb:
  
   Give me a break, 
   Whatever, don't worry about it, Italy is off my
   shipping list.
   out of the last 10 chargebacks on paypal, 8 were
   from
   Italy, one from france, one from Germany.
   That is too many losses for me, paypal refunds
 all
   their money, I am left with nothing. I will not
 do
   it
   again.
   Michael Farmer
   --- M come Meteorite Meteorites
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
The facts arrive, from another italian, my
 fact
  is
pass over
1 year with a slice of Tenham, months and
 months
never
arrive and after is strangly arrive when I
 have
contact for
many times Bostick...probably not have sent?
 And
after have
sent immediatly but only after he have say the
faoult is of
the italian mail?

Matteo

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A : [EMAIL PROTECTED];
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Oggetto : Re: [meteorite-list] I will no
 longer
   ship
to
Italy using paypal
Data : Thu, 17 Jan 2008 21:51:18 +0100

 with Mark Bostik, and others here have
  problems
with
 this last person with packs never arrive
 
 Matteo,
 Facts please
 You know here to state statements like this
  mean
you are
 the one responsible for proof.
 
 Andi
 
 -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
 Von:
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

   
  
 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Im
 Auftrag von M come Meteorite Meteorites
 Gesendet: Donnerstag, 17. Januar 2008 21:24
 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] I will no
 longer
ship to
 Italy using paypal
 
 bah...I receive every day packs from outside
   Italy
and
 from USA with value declared and no and any
 of
this go
 lost, only in 2 cases here the pack is never
arrive, one
 with Cottingham why not have sent via
  registered
letter
 and another with Mark Bostik, and others
 here
   have
 problems with this last person with packs
  never
arrive
 
 Matteo
 
 - Original Message -
 Da : Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 A : meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Oggetto : [meteorite-list] I will no longer
  ship
to Italy
 using paypal
 Data : Thu, 17 Jan 2008 11:09:14 -0800 (PST)
 
  List members, I don't know about others,
 but
myself
  and Robert Ward have both been ripped off
 by
  paypal/Italian buyers lately.
  
  In the last few months, I have had 5 ebay
   items
lost
  on the way to Italy and claims filed,
 where
paypal
  took my money automatically. 
  I will no longer ship anything to Italy
  using
paypal,
  any orders from Italy must be paid for
 with
   cash
or
  international postal money order. Then I
  will
ship, so
  that if the items are stolen by corrupt
   Italian
postal
  workers, that is not my problem.
  
  This has become so common, that either all
packages to
  Italy are stolen, or Italian ebay buyers
 are
   on
to the
  paypal scam and get the items, then claim
refunds. 
  Anyone else having this problem lately?
  Michael Farmer
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Auction Update (AD Info)

2008-01-17 Thread Michael L Blood

Hi all List members,
If you go to

http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/TucsonAuction08.html

You will see I now have all the entries up to date. However,
That is only 48 lots and the auction will be over quite  quickly
If no one else enters items soon.
To that end - I am offering a 5 day, original 10% commission
To any entries of value with no minimum. If you get your goodies
Listed and jpgs to me by Sunday, you will get the same 10% rate
As those that got in early. After that, the increases stand. I know
I can rustle up some entries at the Show that will be quite worth
While.
Also, Moni Waiblinger had something come up that will prevent
Her from attending, but  Floyd Griffith has stepped up to do checkout
During the auction, so, if anyone wants to bid on a specific item, then
Leave, they can do so. Griff will also be helping me check out people
After the auction, so  that will go twice as fast as in the past.
I still need 2 more volunteers to help out to make things go
Smoothly. I pay a paltry $100. So, I know it is volunteer work, but at
Least you get a little to buy with - and helpers are entirely welcome
To bid. All the remaining positions are easy as pie, but I do need people
I can count on. 
Please contact me off list for a position or to enter pieces for
the auction.
Thanks, Michael




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2008-01-17 Thread mckinney trammell

tyest


  

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[meteorite-list] BBC Sky at night prog features meteorites( credits Mike Farmer) + Haag prog.

2008-01-17 Thread ensoramanda


Hi again,

First of all...thanks to all those that replied to my post Dirk, Ian, 
Peter, Jason, etc. about the possible impact crater formation I 
photographed whilst flying over  N China/Mongolia. 


http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o43/LaburnumStudio/Craters/Crater-.jpg

I am still not convinced that I have identified it.

Some of you helped by plotting the flight path from London to HongKong 
to narrow down the search...but the most likely known craterTabun 
Khara Obo crater..seems to be too far east of the flight path...although 
it looks about right.


Next..

Interesting series on UKTV Documentary at the moment...Earthshock...last 
nights was about earth impacts and featured Bob Haag for a while hunting 
and in his strongroom.


I seem to be having a great meteorite month. (Pity I cant cap it with a 
Tucson Visit  :-(  ) This months BBC Sky at Night is on cosmic debris? I 
just caught up with it online (after my trek around the Ozzy meteorite 
museums and craters) at...


http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/space/spaceguide/skyatnight/proginfo.shtml

worth a look...you can watch it online for a while. Mike is credited for 
his Carancas pictures which feature prominently.


It just so happens it features Dr Richard Greenwood whom Prof Colin 
Pillinger referred me to when we met at a recent Flamsteed lecture.


http://www.open.ac.uk/science/pssri/about-the-department/news/news.php?article_id=12768 



Some nice info on their site about involvement in the Stardust, Rosetta 
and other missions too.


Quite a coincidence as Richard is showing me around their facilities and 
collection tomorrow.

He has just helped with the classification of Carancas...quote

In terms of meteorite samples we have pretty much finished our work on
Carancas. The Peruvian mineralogical survey were able to supply a sample
for oxygen isotope analysis and we were able to confirm its
classification as H4/5 ( Met. Bull
http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/index.php 

So looking forward to heading down to the OU with some unclassified 
samples in the morning.


Graham Ensor, Nr Barwell, UK





Very best wishes

Richard



So tomorrow I am off with some of my space rocks to look around the 
meteorite collection and classification facilities at the OU Planetary 
and Space Sciences Research Institute in Milton Keynes.should be fun!


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Re: [meteorite-list] I will no longer ship to Italy using paypal

hahahahah.Cottingham stop to say balls, I have just
received few days ago two Zeiss Luminar macro lens from USA
with value declared of $850 and its arrive via registered
mail via USPS, the same for a Nikon bellow of $250 arrive
the same in 1 week without any problem, I have buy a
meteorite coin from Nakhladog and its arrive without any
problem...etc.. etc... is well know you are not the first
time you ship via odinary mail and the packs is normaly they
go lost.


Matteo

- Original Message -
Da : michael cottingham [EMAIL PROTECTED]
A : 'M come Meteorite Meteorites'
[EMAIL PROTECTED],
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Oggetto : RE: [meteorite-list] I will no longer ship to
Italy using paypal
Data : Thu, 17 Jan 2008 14:32:21 -0700

 I HAVE HAD TWO REGISTERD MAILS TO ITALY DISAPPEAR and One
 to GERMANY. ALL RECEIPTS KEPT AND PHOTOS SENT. NO TRACE. 
 I have mailed over 500 packages in the last 6 months... I
 believe I know my business. Don't tell me registered mails
 don't disappear.
 
 WHY is it that the US Postal System will not give
 insurance on packages to Italy?  Because that system is
 corrupt beyond understanding!  
 
 Michael Cottingham
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of M come Meteorite Meteorites
 Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 1:55 PM
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] I will no longer ship to
 Italy using paypal
 
 buhauhauahuhaI received all via registered mail or via
 FedEx and all arrive. Its well know you never ship via
 registered mail.
 
 matteo
 
 - Original Message -
 Da : michael cottingham [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 A : 'M come Meteorite Meteorites'
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oggetto : RE: [meteorite-list] I
 will no longer ship to Italy using paypal
 Data : Thu, 17 Jan 2008 13:44:04 -0700
 
  Matteo
  
  REGISTERED MAIL TO ITALY DISAPPEARS TOO!
  
  Michael Cottingham
  
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
  Behalf Of M come Meteorite Meteorites
  Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 1:27 PM
  To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] I will no longer ship to
  Italy using paypal
  
  or why you have never sent pack with registered mail how
  had I asked in my case?  
  
  Matteo
  
  - Original Message -
  Da : michael cottingham [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  A : 'Michael Farmer' [EMAIL PROTECTED],
  meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
  Oggetto : Re: [meteorite-list] I will no longer ship to
  Italy using paypal
  Data : Thu, 17 Jan 2008 13:09:42 -0700
  
   YES. Over the last year the Italian postal service has
   caused much mayhem and madness for me. I wonder if we
   have the same buyers making the same claims? Same
   scams going down or just an extremely corrupt postal
   service in Italy? I hate to lump the whole Italian
   Postal Service into a toilet category, but NO other
   postal service has even come close to being so
   corrupt.  The next worse in my experience is the
   GERMAN CUSTOMS, who sometimes hold on to packages for
   months! They don't seem to be corrupt, just after
   every penny they can get for customs duty. They are
   very slow sometimes. 
   I too have thought about not sending to Italy anymore.
   
   Best Wishes
   
   Michael Cottingham
   
   -Original Message-
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   On Behalf Of Michael Farmer
   Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 12:09 PM
   To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
   Subject: [meteorite-list] I will no longer ship to
   Italy using paypal
   
   List members, I don't know about others, but myself
   and Robert Ward have both been ripped off by
   paypal/Italian buyers lately.
   
   In the last few months, I have had 5 ebay items lost
   on the way to Italy and claims filed, where paypal
   took my money automatically. 
   I will no longer ship anything to Italy using paypal,
   any orders from Italy must be paid for with cash or
   international postal money order. Then I will ship, so
   that if the items are stolen by corrupt Italian postal
   workers, that is not my problem.
   
   This has become so common, that either all packages to
   Italy are stolen, or Italian ebay buyers are on to the
   paypal scam and get the items, then claim refunds. 
   Anyone else having this problem lately?
   Michael Farmer
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Re: [meteorite-list] I will no longer ship to Italy using paypal

at $200 of material is not smaller order

matteo

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Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
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Data : Thu, 17 Jan 2008 21:02:11 +

 I imagine because for smaller orders it's not worth the
 hassle and extra  cost?
 
 M come Meteorite Meteorites wrote:
  or why you have never sent pack with registered mail how
  had I asked in my case?  
 
  Matteo
 

 
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] I will no longer ship to Italy using paypal

2008-01-17 Thread Matthias Bärmann


As Matteo mentioned Michael Cottingham:

Just two weeks ago I bought a beautiful NWA 3118 from him - it was his own 
decision to pay more for the shipping as announced (and paid by me) and send 
the package via Global Express. Eight days later I received it here in 
Germany. Perfect service.


Only for balancing thze statements ...

Matthias Baermann

- Original Message - 
From: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 11:40 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] I will no longer ship to Italy using paypal



I agree 100% on this isssue,

I agree, Italy is a huge problem. I had to change
hundreds of descriptions because of lost packages,
mainly to Italy.  In my eBay descriptions, I now state
that I am no longer responsible for delays or lost
items if USPS Global Express is not opted for at at
cost $25.00 for those overseas. If you are from Italy,
be forewarned, I will no longer take responsibility
for delayed or lost packages and will demonstrate to
PayPal that I state this in every description if any
more claims are made.  I have lost thousands of
dollars in refunds and claims, almost to the point
eBay and PayPal are no longer worth it.

Best Regards,

Adam

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[meteorite-list] Canyon Diablo for sale CHEAP - .18 cents per gram!

2008-01-17 Thread Ruben Garcia

Check it out.
http://www.mr-meteorite.com/canyondiablometeorite.htm

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Re: [meteorite-list] Asteroid Impacts May Have Triggered PlateTectonics(OT)

Hi Elton, thanks for the input. I regret that I may have been too parochial 
in my presentation.
I merely used what I know about the geology of my locale, New England 
[which, as you aptly pointed out, needs considerable refinement] to present 
a fanciful possibility that meteorite chains impacting with enough force in 
strategic areas [hot spots, etc.] punching through the crust, might initiate 
separation of continental masses, creating new plate boundaries.
Thanks for the links. Unfortunately for me, they are familiar. Too much for 
me to retain and integrate but I keep trying. I figure in another 20 years 
or so, if I keep recognizing them I may be a step closer to understanding.
P.S. It is not impossible for rift valleys to exist at the foot of mountain 
ranges.

Jerry Flaherty
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PlateTectonics(OT)




There is no evidence-- direct or inferred-- that the trace of the
eastern shoreline of North America is impact influenced.  While much of
what you relate is sequentially correct it co-mingles 700+ million
years of geological history into a related event.  The Connecticut
River  Valley is a rift valley and not a collision boundary--Otherwise
it wouldn't be a Valley but the Connecticut River Mountains


Perhaps you would like to Muse this: Avalonia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avalonia

And this link for the origins of the CRV Lava flows
http://vulcan.wr.usgs.gov/LivingWith/VolcanicPast/Places/volcanic_past_massachusetts.html

The lava flow, now seen as prominent ridgelines overlooking the valley
lowlands, formed as basalt oozed out of faults associated with the
Eastern Border Fault ...  the Connecticut Valley sequence is determined
to be early Mesozoic -- from late Triassic through early Jurassic
Periods. Between 190 and 194 my North America and Baltica rifted and
basalt erupted from where Patterson NJ lies now, through The Pallasides
on the Hudson up through the Conneticut River Valley on through the
Berkshires. This rift zone accumulated several hundred feet of basalt.
Here is what is said by the USGS CVO page:

Elton
--- Jerry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...My musing only takes into account the fact that the Connecticut
River Valley, 100 miles from the coast, is thought to be the result a
collision of ancient plate boundaries. The fact the the much later
break-up occurred not there, at the Berkshire Mountains margin, but
100+ miles from the CRV, just made me wonder if another mechanism might
be at work. Granted, the coastal region, at least where glacial debris
has not cover it up, is host to a string of ancient extinct volcanoes
30 miles south of Boston through the Canadian Provinces across the
Atlantic through the Celtic isles into Scandinavia. And the brittle
nature of these lavas may be provide sufficient explanation for the
modern continental configuration given appropriate stresses applied
through the mechanism of tectonics. But musing doesn't cost much and
cataclysm of the mind doesn't hurt.

Jerry Flaherty

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[meteorite-list] Meteor Shower Origin Traced To 1490 Event

2008-01-17 Thread Ron Baalke

http://space.newscientist.com/article/dn13152-meteors-mysterious-origin-traced-to-1490-event.html

Meteors' mysterious origin traced to 1490 event
Stephen Battersby
New Scientist
07 January 2008

Last week's Quadrantid meteor shower was probably debris from a
deep-space explosion that went off in the late 15th century, new
observations reveal.

The meteors, which return every January, were observed more closely than
ever before when a group of 14 astronomers tracked them for nine hours
on a flight from California, US, to the North Pole.

They found that the shower peaked at around 0200 GMT on Friday, matching
a prediction made by Peter Jenniskens of NASA.

He based his prediction on the theory that the shower originated in
1490, when observers in China, Japan and Korea saw a comet following a
path similar to that of the Quadrantids. Apparently a sudden event
caused the dormant comet to flare up - like Comet Holmes
in October 2007 - leaving behind a stream of debris.

Jenniskens calculated that such a young stream should be narrow, and
thus easily deflected by Jupiter's gravity. That would make it arrive a
few hours earlier than if it were an older, more diffuse stream.

Friday's observations confirm the story. A closer analysis of the new
data might also give astronomers some clues about what caused the outburst.

The 1490 event left behind at least one larger remnant, a near-Earth
asteroid called 2003 EH1.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - January 17, 2008

That's either Superman or Batman. What a great piece.
Jerry Flaherty
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2008

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/January_17_2008.html

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[meteorite-list] Does this sound like possible bolide breaking up?

2008-01-17 Thread Michael Murray


 http://www.empiretribune.com/articles/2008/01/10/news/news02.txt 


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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteor Shower Origin Traced To 1490 Event

HUMM.
Jerry Flaherty
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Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 8:19 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteor Shower Origin Traced To 1490 Event

http://space.newscientist.com/article/dn13152-meteors-mysterious-origin-traced-to-1490-event.html

Meteors' mysterious origin traced to 1490 event
Stephen Battersby
New Scientist
07 January 2008

Last week's Quadrantid meteor shower was probably debris from a
deep-space explosion that went off in the late 15th century, new
observations reveal.

The meteors, which return every January, were observed more closely than
ever before when a group of 14 astronomers tracked them for nine hours
on a flight from California, US, to the North Pole.

They found that the shower peaked at around 0200 GMT on Friday, matching
a prediction made by Peter Jenniskens of NASA.

He based his prediction on the theory that the shower originated in
1490, when observers in China, Japan and Korea saw a comet following a
path similar to that of the Quadrantids. Apparently a sudden event
caused the dormant comet to flare up - like Comet Holmes
in October 2007 - leaving behind a stream of debris.

Jenniskens calculated that such a young stream should be narrow, and
thus easily deflected by Jupiter's gravity. That would make it arrive a
few hours earlier than if it were an older, more diffuse stream.

Friday's observations confirm the story. A closer analysis of the new
data might also give astronomers some clues about what caused the 
outburst.

The 1490 event left behind at least one larger remnant, a near-Earth
asteroid called 2003 EH1.

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[meteorite-list] Ad - Holbrook Sale, Park Forest

2008-01-17 Thread Thetoprok


Hello List,
I hope all of you are doing  well and off to a good start in the New Year.
I'm trying to raise a few extra  dollars to help fund my yearly Tucson show/ 
meteorite hunting trip so I've put  some of last years bounty on ebay and a 
small PF from a few years  back.
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[meteorite-list] Thumrayt 001 Pallasite is now official

This is good news, the Pallasite I found last year is
now approved.
It is called Thumrayt 001
It is the only Pallasite ever found in Oman, among the
thousands of meteorites found. 
Those of you who bought pieces, I am glad to now get
you the official information.
http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?sea=sfor=namesants=falls=stype=lrec=50map=gebrowse=country=Allsrt=categ=Pallasitesmblist=93phot=snew=0pnt=code=45958

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Re: [meteorite-list] Canyon Diablo for sale CHEAP - .SOLD!

Figures!
Jerry Flaherty
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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Canyon Diablo for sale CHEAP - .SOLD!

Thanks everyone it is sold

Ruben Garcia
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Re: [meteorite-list] Thumrayt 001 Pallasite is now official

That is outstanding news, Mike. The ONLY of anything from Oman is special, 
the only pallasite is outstanding. Unfortunately I didn't get a piece. Did 
you purchase of find it.

Jerry Flaherty
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Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 8:50 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Thumrayt 001 Pallasite is now official

This is good news, the Pallasite I found last year is
now approved.
It is called Thumrayt 001
It is the only Pallasite ever found in Oman, among the
thousands of meteorites found.
Those of you who bought pieces, I am glad to now get
you the official information.
http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?sea=sfor=namesants=falls=stype=lrec=50map=gebrowse=country=Allsrt=categ=Pallasitesmblist=93phot=snew=0pnt=code=45958

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Re: [meteorite-list] Does this sound like possible bolide breaking up?


HI mike, I took the liberty to inform the reporter of our suspicions
Jerry Flaherty
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Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 8:36 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Does this sound like possible bolide breaking up?



 http://www.empiretribune.com/articles/2008/01/10/news/news02.txt 


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Re: [meteorite-list] Does this sound like possible bolide breaking up?


Whoops, it bounced.
Jerry Flaherty
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Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 9:38 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Does this sound like possible bolide breaking 
up?




HI mike, I took the liberty to inform the reporter of our suspicions
Jerry Flaherty
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To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 8:36 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Does this sound like possible bolide breaking 
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 http://www.empiretribune.com/articles/2008/01/10/news/news02.txt 


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Re: [meteorite-list] Thumrayt 001 Pallasite is now official

Jerry, I found the meteorite myself and my parter and
I later found more pieces with two weeks of searching.
To find a new Pallasite as a cold find is a feeling I
can't describe.
Over 2000 meteorites known from Oman and this was the
only pallasite ever found there. It was a great day. I
have more pieces, and will display great slices at the
Tucson show.
Michael Farmer
--- Jerry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 That is outstanding news, Mike. The ONLY of anything
 from Oman is special, 
 the only pallasite is outstanding. Unfortunately I
 didn't get a piece. Did 
 you purchase of find it.
 Jerry Flaherty
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 From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 8:50 PM
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Thumrayt 001 Pallasite is
 now official
 
 
  This is good news, the Pallasite I found last year
 is
  now approved.
  It is called Thumrayt 001
  It is the only Pallasite ever found in Oman, among
 the
  thousands of meteorites found.
  Those of you who bought pieces, I am glad to now
 get
  you the official information.
 

http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?sea=sfor=namesants=falls=stype=lrec=50map=gebrowse=country=Allsrt=categ=Pallasitesmblist=93phot=snew=0pnt=code=45958
 
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[meteorite-list] New meteorites to be on display in Tucson two new Lunar meteorites

Ok, I was just hunting meteorites on the other side of
the world, and we found 107 in the last three weeks.

I found a large Eucrite, TWO new Lunar meteorites, and
Robert Ward found a very nice Ureilite. 
A few other goodies lurk in the batch no doubt, but
unfortunately, my baggage (and most of the meteorites)
is still missing. 

We plan to display some of the meteorites at the
Tucson show, and the newest Lunar meteorites on the
planet will be on display, intact. How do I know they
are Lunar meteorites you might ask, well, come to
Tucson and see for yourselves, I think they will make
a big splash, especially since they were in the sand
10 days ago. I found them both, 2 and a half hours
apart on January 7th, 2008.

The tents are up in Tucson, and people will begin
arriving at my house next week already! It is that
magical time of the year.
We plan to have a special display case dedicated to
these new finds, and last year's amazing meteorite
haul, from Cali, to Carancas, to Puerto Lapice Spain,
all will be on display with photos.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Thumrayt 001 Pallasite is now official

Congratulations Mike. Everyone has to be as impressed by your continued 
progress toward the western hemisphere's Meteorite Hunter unparalleled 
across the world as am I. How on earth do you keep it together. Success 
breeds success and success is satisfacion and motivation in itself.

Jerry Flaherty
- Original Message - 
From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Jerry [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 9:50 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Thumrayt 001 Pallasite is now official



Jerry, I found the meteorite myself and my parter and
I later found more pieces with two weeks of searching.
To find a new Pallasite as a cold find is a feeling I
can't describe.
Over 2000 meteorites known from Oman and this was the
only pallasite ever found there. It was a great day. I
have more pieces, and will display great slices at the
Tucson show.
Michael Farmer
--- Jerry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


That is outstanding news, Mike. The ONLY of anything
from Oman is special,
the only pallasite is outstanding. Unfortunately I
didn't get a piece. Did
you purchase of find it.
Jerry Flaherty
- Original Message - 
From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 8:50 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Thumrayt 001 Pallasite is
now official


 This is good news, the Pallasite I found last year
is
 now approved.
 It is called Thumrayt 001
 It is the only Pallasite ever found in Oman, among
the
 thousands of meteorites found.
 Those of you who bought pieces, I am glad to now
get
 you the official information.



http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?sea=sfor=namesants=falls=stype=lrec=50map=gebrowse=country=Allsrt=categ=Pallasitesmblist=93phot=snew=0pnt=code=45958


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[meteorite-list] AD: Auctions running this week, nice stuff and sweet, sweet rarities listed in my ebay store.

2008-01-17 Thread michael cottingham

Hello, 

Sweet, sweet rarities listed in my ebay store... however, not cheap. They
are rare.

http://stores.ebay.com/Voyage-Botanica-Natural-History


Thanks and Best Wishes

Michael Cottingham


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Re: [meteorite-list] Answer re Auction Update

2008-01-17 Thread Notkin


Michael L Blood wrote:


That is exactly what it means. You can bid, buy and leave.


That's how it's been *every* year. It's just that the part where we get 
to leave doesn't happen until 12:30 am. Lucky there was a bar on 
premises!  : )


Reminds me a bit of Hotel California:

You can check out any time you like
But you can never leave

Just kidding you Cap'n Blood. As everyone knows, Michael does a great 
job and his auction is one of the top meteorite events of the year. Any 
first-timers to Tucson this year should attend. And I do believe I 
finally have something fabulous to consign with Michael for the '08 
auction.


As Mike Farmer noted, the big tents are already being hoisted at the 
Electric Park. The Tucson contingent will be looking forward to 
welcoming many of you here over the next two to three weeks, and I 
shall have a couple of very special announcements before then.


Stay tuned.


Geoff N.
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Semi-Official Tucson Show Countdown Meter:
14 days, 12 hours, 59 minutes   (based on actual InnSuites time)

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Re: [meteorite-list] Does this sound like possible bolide breaking up?

2008-01-17 Thread Mr EMan


Doesn't SOUND like a bolide. It sounds like NOTHING as in NO SOUND
was reported ergo, it fails to meet the criteria for bolide. 

The report of lights turning into flames is very weak evidence of a
meteor entry.

These UFO reports rarely talk about sounds such as sonic booms even
thought they claim to be going at mach5!

Elton

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Re: [meteorite-list] I will no longer ship to Italy using paypal

the problem here in Italy its the Custom, Why in some case I
have say not put the value declared? Why they stop the pack
for control for many months, at 2 months.

Matteo

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Italy using paypal
Data : Thu, 17 Jan 2008 14:40:38 -0800 (PST)

 I agree 100% on this isssue,
 
 I agree, Italy is a huge problem. I had to change
 hundreds of descriptions because of lost packages,
 mainly to Italy.  In my eBay descriptions, I now state
 that I am no longer responsible for delays or lost
 items if USPS Global Express is not opted for at at
 cost $25.00 for those overseas. If you are from Italy,
 be forewarned, I will no longer take responsibility
 for delayed or lost packages and will demonstrate to
 PayPal that I state this in every description if any
 more claims are made.  I have lost thousands of
 dollars in refunds and claims, almost to the point
 eBay and PayPal are no longer worth it. 
 
 Best Regards,
 
 Adam
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] I will no longer ship to Italy using paypal

for me is not a problem and the same for others here

matteo

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Data : Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:20:23 -0800 (PST)

 NO MORE ITALY with paypal.
 FINITO
 Michael Farmer
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Re: [meteorite-list] I will no longer ship to Italy using paypal

If I remember the mafia its many present the same in USA

Matteo

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Data : Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:50:40 -0600

 Geez,
 Is there really any surprise that there is corruption in
 Italy ? Isnt that the origin of the Mafia and organized
 crime ?? H ??
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 Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 5:39 PM
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] I will no longer ship to
 Italy using paypal
 
 
 Mike,
 oh,that i did not know.
 I can understand.
 Time is money.
 More time for fill out the paperwork is more time.
 Yes,that is difficult.
 Here in Germany it is easy!
 The same work and the same time for registered and not
 registered airmail.
 
 Many greetings Mirko
 
 
 
 
 --- Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
 
  Mirko, I simply can not send a $10.00 item via
  registered mail, here we must fill out paperwork for
  that, not like Germany where they only scan a lable
  and the number is on your receipt.
  Mike
  --- Mirko Graul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   Hi Mike and list members,
  
   when I started meteorite at ebay to sell me were
   also
   two items lost.
   Since that day i send only registered!
   Since I have more than 2000 items shipped and not
  is
   lost.
   If a buyer wants to save shipping costs and the
  risk
   loves he can not buy me.
   I send all pices registered worldwide.
   It is so easy to prevent!
   It is not the Post Office and the Customs trust!
  
  
   best wishes Mirko
  
  
  
  
  
  
   --- Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  schrieb:
  
Give me a break,
Whatever, don't worry about it, Italy is off my
shipping list.
out of the last 10 chargebacks on paypal, 8 were
from
Italy, one from france, one from Germany.
That is too many losses for me, paypal refunds
  all
their money, I am left with nothing. I will not
  do
it
again.
Michael Farmer
--- M come Meteorite Meteorites
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 The facts arrive, from another italian, my
  fact
   is
 pass over
 1 year with a slice of Tenham, months and
  months
 never
 arrive and after is strangly arrive when I
  have
 contact for
 many times Bostick...probably not have sent?
  And
 after have
 sent immediatly but only after he have say the
 faoult is of
 the italian mail?

 Matteo

 - Original Message -
 Da : Andreas Gren [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 A : [EMAIL PROTECTED];
 Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Oggetto : Re: [meteorite-list] I will no
  longer
ship
 to
 Italy using paypal
 Data : Thu, 17 Jan 2008 21:51:18 +0100

  with Mark Bostik, and others here have
   problems
 with
  this last person with packs never arrive
 
  Matteo,
  Facts please
  You know here to state statements like this
   mean
 you are
  the one responsible for proof.
 
  Andi
 
  -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
  Von:
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

   
  
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Im
  Auftrag von M come Meteorite Meteorites
  Gesendet: Donnerstag, 17. Januar 2008 21:24
  An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
  Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] I will no
  longer
 ship to
  Italy using paypal
 
  bah...I receive every day packs from outside
Italy
 and
  from USA with value declared and no and any
  of
 this go
  lost, only in 2 cases here the pack is never
 arrive, one
  with Cottingham why not have sent via
   registered
 letter
  and another with Mark Bostik, and others
  here
have
  problems with this last person with packs
   never
 arrive
 
  Matteo
 
  - Original Message -
  Da : Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  A : meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
  Oggetto : [meteorite-list] I will no longer
   ship
 to Italy
  using paypal
  Data : Thu, 17 Jan 2008 11:09:14 -0800 (PST)
 
   List members, I don't know about others,
  but
 myself
   and Robert Ward have both been ripped off
  by
   paypal/Italian buyers lately.
  
   In the last few months, I have had 5 ebay
items
 lost
   on the way to Italy and claims filed,
  where
 paypal
   took my money automatically.
   I will no longer ship anything to Italy
   using
 paypal,
   any orders from Italy must be paid for
  with
cash
 or
   international postal money order. Then I
   will
 ship, so
   that if the items are stolen by corrupt
Italian
 postal
   workers, that is not my problem.
  
   This has become so common, that either all
 packages to

Re: [meteorite-list] I will no longer ship to Italy using paypal

Of course, but none of our cities are buried under
trash because of it.
Michael Farmer
--- M come Meteorite Meteorites
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 If I remember the mafia its many present the same in
 USA
 
 Matteo
 
 - Original Message -
 Da : Bob Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 A : Mirko Graul [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Oggetto : Re: [meteorite-list] I will no longer ship
 to
 Italy using paypal
 Data : Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:50:40 -0600
 
  Geez,
  Is there really any surprise that there is
 corruption in
  Italy ? Isnt that the origin of the Mafia and
 organized
  crime ?? H ??
  - Original Message - 
  From: Mirko Graul [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
  Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 5:39 PM
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] I will no longer
 ship to
  Italy using paypal
  
  
  Mike,
  oh,that i did not know.
  I can understand.
  Time is money.
  More time for fill out the paperwork is more time.
  Yes,that is difficult.
  Here in Germany it is easy!
  The same work and the same time for registered and
 not
  registered airmail.
  
  Many greetings Mirko
  
  
  
  
  --- Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 schrieb:
  
   Mirko, I simply can not send a $10.00 item via
   registered mail, here we must fill out paperwork
 for
   that, not like Germany where they only scan a
 lable
   and the number is on your receipt.
   Mike
   --- Mirko Graul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
Hi Mike and list members,
   
when I started meteorite at ebay to sell me
 were
also
two items lost.
Since that day i send only registered!
Since I have more than 2000 items shipped and
 not
   is
lost.
If a buyer wants to save shipping costs and
 the
   risk
loves he can not buy me.
I send all pices registered worldwide.
It is so easy to prevent!
It is not the Post Office and the Customs
 trust!
   
   
best wishes Mirko
   
   
   
   
   
   
--- Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   schrieb:
   
 Give me a break,
 Whatever, don't worry about it, Italy is off
 my
 shipping list.
 out of the last 10 chargebacks on paypal, 8
 were
 from
 Italy, one from france, one from Germany.
 That is too many losses for me, paypal
 refunds
   all
 their money, I am left with nothing. I will
 not
   do
 it
 again.
 Michael Farmer
 --- M come Meteorite Meteorites
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  The facts arrive, from another italian, my
   fact
is
  pass over
  1 year with a slice of Tenham, months and
   months
  never
  arrive and after is strangly arrive when I
   have
  contact for
  many times Bostick...probably not have
 sent?
   And
  after have
  sent immediatly but only after he have say
 the
  faoult is of
  the italian mail?
 
  Matteo
 
  - Original Message -
  Da : Andreas Gren
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  A :
 [EMAIL PROTECTED];
  Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
  Oggetto : Re: [meteorite-list] I will no
   longer
 ship
  to
  Italy using paypal
  Data : Thu, 17 Jan 2008 21:51:18 +0100
 
   with Mark Bostik, and others here have
problems
  with
   this last person with packs never
 arrive
  
   Matteo,
   Facts please
   You know here to state statements like
 this
mean
  you are
   the one responsible for proof.
  
   Andi
  
   -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
   Von:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
 

   
  
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Im
   Auftrag von M come Meteorite Meteorites
   Gesendet: Donnerstag, 17. Januar 2008
 21:24
   An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
   Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] I will no
   longer
  ship to
   Italy using paypal
  
   bah...I receive every day packs from
 outside
 Italy
  and
   from USA with value declared and no and
 any
   of
  this go
   lost, only in 2 cases here the pack is
 never
  arrive, one
   with Cottingham why not have sent via
registered
  letter
   and another with Mark Bostik, and others
   here
 have
   problems with this last person with
 packs
never
  arrive
  
   Matteo
  
 
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