Re: [meteorite-list] MegaThanks to Gary Fujihara
Aloha Fred, It was my pleasure to meet you and Larry and both your wives during your visit to the BIg Island. I'm glad you enjoyed the scopes, and I was enthralled by your and Larry's stories of the Elbert fall and other adventures. Maybe I'll come visit you guys on your home turf, perhaps during the Denver show. Here is a picture of you guys posing in front of the summit ridge with (l-r) Canada-France-Hawaii Telescope, Gemini Observatory, UH88 Telescope, United Kingdom Infrared Telescope. http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/Images/FredOlson-LarryJohnson.jpg gary On Apr 29, 2010, at 10:40 AM, debf...@att.net wrote: Gary, I want to take this opportunity to try to thank you for arranging tours last month of the NASA and Subaru Telescopes on top of Mauna Kea. I was astounded by the incredible engineering and construction of these beautiful instruments. Larry Johnson, Carol Johnson and my wife Debbie and I can't thank you enough for arraigning for us to join another group on a scheduled tour of these facilities! It made feel very humble and also very proud to be a human and supporter of these endeavors. It was great to hear of the discovery of water ice on the asteroid, perhaps the very day we were there. Again words are insufficient to express my gratitude for your kindness. Mahalo! Big Kahuna, Mahalo! Fred Olsen, Denver __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html (808) 640-9161 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Opinions on this... whatever it is.
G'day Greg, This photo has been sent to me at least 2 or 3 times over the past few years. I have replied to their inquiries but never gotten a response. It doesn't seem quite right to me but I've suggested taking a sample and getting it looked at by a scientist. No response! Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 2:36 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Opinions on this... whatever it is. One of the many emails I have been getting from people wanting to know if they have a meteorite or not... Not sure just what this thing is, but its Strange looking. As always, this also comes with a story behind it. http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/DSC02157.jpg Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Wisconsin Prices
Hello Steve, All, I'm going to say that this is no longer about Joe's find, but about meteorites in general...Martin's message is replied to below this post. The scientific value in a meteorite is in the information it contains. To obtain most of this information, a rock has to be cut, sometimes to the extreme of having thin sections made. True. That doesn't necessitate the dicing of a meteorite, though. It's one thing to say that a sample has to be removed for study, and another matter entirely to completely section a meteorite. For centuries, scientists and institutions have been breaking and cutting meteorites to both study AND to exchange. Sometimes with negligible scientific gains. It's one thing to say that a piece was removed for study, but...hell, I'll say right now that I don't think that all of the trading that many museums did in the past was the best possible thing for the science of meteoritics. In many cases, museums were trying to build collections, and to get samples of various meteorites forteh sake of having a piece. I disagree with that sort of mentality. Trading a piece of this for a piece of that, or a slice of that for a slice of this has worked great since the start of collecting these great specimens. It didn't take a rocket scientist 200 years ago to learn that it is much more cost efficient to make an exchange and then ship a portion of a specimen around the world to be researched, than it is to ship a researcher around the globe to study the specimen located at one collection. Well, yes they were great specimens, but...look at what happened to beautiful meteorites like N'Goureyma, and many others -- just flip through Buchwald's handbook for *countless* examples. Negligible scientific gain came from the complete sectioning of those irons, but it happened anyways. Scores of beautiful iron meteorites now...slices sitting in collections. Not only that, I think there is a valid argument to be made that it is scientifically responsible to part out specimens as far and wide as possible. The more pieces that get to different collections, the better, I would think. That makes sense if you're planning on a disaster destroying valuable samples, but...that doesn't happen too often. And even if such an event were to occur, how could it be more destructive than what dealers do to meteorites today, when cutting turns 1/3 of a given stone into dust, and the rest into small slices and fragments. It's about as destructive as you can get. And while I'm at it, I want to stand up for the private collectors as well. As a whole, I would say private collectors actually do a better job of curating and preserving their collections than, as a whole, all the different institutions. Sometimes yes, sometimes no. Very mixed bag, and I wouldn't say that private collectors do a better job in general. Of course there are bad private collectors and there are great institutional collectors. Most private collectors keep horrible records and don't even have comprehensive collection lists. I honestly don't understand why you think this. But it is funny how when someone spends some of their own hard earned cash, how they appreciate what they have acquired. It is sad in some (not in all, but in some) cases when a hired employee (often a government employee) will not respect what is entrusted to him or her because it is just part of the job. Oh, such people appreciate them, but in not keeping good records, the moment they die, their entire collection is rendered worthless, because they didn't keep labels with most specimens and didn't keep a thorough catalog. Or in some cases an institution will have a great curator who will acquire and go to great extremes to preserve a collection, only for that person to retire, or move to a new employer leaving a great collection behind to be curated by someone else who cares far less for it. Even when that happens, it's the odd university collection that 'disappears.' Private collections do so all the time, and more to their detriment since a large number of private collectors don't paint collection numbers on their specimens of keep a record of what they have (and where each specimen is). I have the utmost respect for most all of the private collectors I have met. I feel when meteorites are spread out amongst dozens if not hundreds of BOTH private collections and institutional collections, it is a great thing. Well, it means people are buying them, if that's a good thingI suppose it is for you. Yes, of course as an entrepreneur trying to make a buck, it would be wonderful if there were far more collectors that had the desire and the funds to pay a premium for whole stones as they were found. My job would be far easier to only have to make one sale as opposed to many. Right...except you can't find too many buyers for a $30k rock, and you can get more out of it if you sell it in
Re: [meteorite-list] Opinions on this... whatever it is.
That line is interesting. I personally lean towards a slag. There are actually quite a few vesicles through the surface and if you have a look near the top-right corner there is a broken spot on the exterior revealing what appears to be a vesicle-filled and non-metallic interior. But it is hard to tell for sure from such a small pic. Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com To: Jeff Kuyken i...@meteorites.com.au Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 7:32 PM Subject: Fwd: [meteorite-list] Opinions on this... whatever it is. -- Forwarded message -- From: Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com Date: Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 10:16 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Opinions on this... whatever it is. To: star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com I've seen this before, too. A close look revealed a very strange texturing on its top left surface -- and take a look at that nice horizontal seam running all the way around it. Regards, Jason On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 9:36 PM, Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com wrote: One of the many emails I have been getting from people wanting to know if they have a meteorite or not... Not sure just what this thing is, but its Strange looking. As always, this also comes with a story behind it. http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/DSC02157.jpg Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Wisconsin Prices
Jason I spoke to your criticism of Joe---and what was his difficult decision whether or not to subdivide his specimen---as being overly judgmental and condescending. Your very first words in response to my thoughts were I wouldn't expect anything less from a dealer, and you later added you weren't trying to be condescending. Well, I have a question---was your statement to me condescending? I just want to be clear, because if you are going appoint yourself as the arbiter as to what constitutes a stone so beautiful it shouldn't be cut, I'm curious as to what you mean by beauty---because I don't believe we agree on what constitutes condescension. I wouldn't expect anything less from a dealer. You've got to be kidding. Major figures in meteorites (e.g., Haag, Zeitschel, etc.) have stated that this dealer started the first collection based on the aesthetics of complete specimens---a collection which I believe is the most widely regarded of its kind today---and now you're coming after me for disagreeing with you? Unlike yourself, my professional life has been devoted to the arts. Rudolf Arnheim was my advisor and my work has appeared in museums--- and no, Jason, I did not find Joe's specimen to be particularly aesthetic (and should you be interested, I can privately explain why). Was it nice? Sure. Do I appreciate your passion for complete specimens--fragmented or otherwise? You better believe it. Absolutely. Do I believe you have the right to put anyone in your crosshairs because they disagree with your sense of aesthetics? Absolutely not. No one has that right. One becomes an arbiter by example, not by railing against those who they believe trample their concept of pretty. If you truly enjoyed Joe's specimen as much as you seem to suggest, you would have acquired it. I feel you made some terrific points as well as specious arguments (neither of which will be cited as I do not have the patience). All the best / Darryl On Apr 30, 2010, at 5:12 PM, Jason Utas wrote: I wouldn't expect anything less from a dealer, with few exceptions. The point, Darryl, is that I wouldn't care if it's the largest stone or the smallest one - and I know for a fact that there are larger stones from this fall that have already been found. Just...look at those photos. It's a beautiful stone. --Meteorites are necessarily subdivided to assist researchers in their work; --No true meteorite lover would thwart such research by preventing the subdivision of their specimen; Broken side or not, it's a beautiful stone, and it's a shame to see it cut. Yes, samples of falls are always required for analysis and study, and I'm always willing to give up that share. You imply that we're against it. And there's a hell of a big difference between giving 20 grams (or more) to science and slicing up a stone to sell to collectors. --Joe's stone was already subdivided by atmospheric forces. It was incomplete and I do not comprehend why the supposed largest stone needs to be preserved as found; The main justification that I've seen so for for cutting it is that 'it's a broken stone - it should be cut anyways.' Two or three people have brought this up. Practically all meteorites are subdivided by atmospheric forces. You seem to be implying that a complete fusion crust would be enough to warrant not cutting it. Look at the photographs, Darryl. It's a beautiful stone. I used to be of the mentality that 'if it's not complete, it's not worth getting.' But lately, I've been seeing larger fragments of beautiful fresh falls, and I've stopped caring so much. A broken side on a meteorite is a window into the interior of what's likely a four and a half billion year old time capsule. Especially with a breccia like this stone...a broken side doesn't detract. Yes, you might get a few dollars less per gram. As a collector, that makes it all the more appealing to me. The comparison of Mineral Point to the Mona Lisa (chasing the alliteration) does not hold up to scrutiny. Meteorites are not paintings---which are typically not cut apart, except by art critics. The only place I see the analogy actually failing is with regards to the fact that science always needs a piece of a given meteorite, so you always have to 'cut that corner off.' I would argue that we should cut meteorites up about as often as paintings are shredded, with few exceptions. If there's scientific work to be done, great, cut it. If not...cutting up stones for money and so that 'everyone can have a piece'... Darryl, you say that cutting stones up for science is a good thing - but that's such a vague statement. I agree - samples should be available for science, but that's not what happens. Science gets what science gets, and the rest gets sold. You can't justify the dicing up of large meteorites with science, because cutting a meteorite doesn't mean that more will go to an
Re: [meteorite-list] Opinions on this... whatever it is.
Hello, Yes, my first instinct on looking at that thing is to fire up a portable wet saw and cut the crap out of it. It almost looks like a prob from a B movie. Warren Sansoucie From: i...@meteorites.com.au To: star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 17:28:50 +1000 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Opinions on this... whatever it is. G'day Greg, This photo has been sent to me at least 2 or 3 times over the past few years. I have replied to their inquiries but never gotten a response. It doesn't seem quite right to me but I've suggested taking a sample and getting it looked at by a scientist. No response! Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: Greg Catterton To: Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 2:36 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Opinions on this... whatever it is. One of the many emails I have been getting from people wanting to know if they have a meteorite or not... Not sure just what this thing is, but its Strange looking. As always, this also comes with a story behind it. http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/DSC02157.jpg Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Pricing drama
If I wanted my inbox filled with drama every day I would have subscribed to the Old ladies at the beauty parlor forum or the yapping circus dog forum. How did this space devolve from a pseudo scientific bent into the land of drama? You know what they say about opinions. Let's get back to the core of intent for this space, furthering our knowledge and enjoyment of meteorites. I am pleading for a stop to all the snarky comments and senseless drivel that has reached my inbox of late. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Opinions on this... whatever it is.
Very impressive-are you guys sure that its not the real McCoy?? WOW! Kirk...:-) - Original Message - From: Warren Sansoucie warren3...@hotmail.com To: METEORITE LIST meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 8:24 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Opinions on this... whatever it is. Hello, Yes, my first instinct on looking at that thing is to fire up a portable wet saw and cut the crap out of it. It almost looks like a prob from a B movie. Warren Sansoucie From: i...@meteorites.com.au To: star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 17:28:50 +1000 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Opinions on this... whatever it is. G'day Greg, This photo has been sent to me at least 2 or 3 times over the past few years. I have replied to their inquiries but never gotten a response. It doesn't seem quite right to me but I've suggested taking a sample and getting it looked at by a scientist. No response! Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: Greg Catterton To: Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 2:36 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Opinions on this... whatever it is. One of the many emails I have been getting from people wanting to know if they have a meteorite or not... Not sure just what this thing is, but its Strange looking. As always, this also comes with a story behind it. http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/DSC02157.jpg Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Opinions on this... whatever it is.
Hi All, The regmaglypts on the trailing end are flaring in directions contrary the leading edge of entry and they do not match the majority of the other regmglypts. This is a man-made object - probably yard art or some kind of prop. Best regards, MikeG On 5/1/10, Becky and Kirk ba...@chorus.net wrote: Very impressive-are you guys sure that its not the real McCoy?? WOW! Kirk...:-) - Original Message - From: Warren Sansoucie warren3...@hotmail.com To: METEORITE LIST meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 8:24 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Opinions on this... whatever it is. Hello, Yes, my first instinct on looking at that thing is to fire up a portable wet saw and cut the crap out of it. It almost looks like a prob from a B movie. Warren Sansoucie From: i...@meteorites.com.au To: star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 17:28:50 +1000 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Opinions on this... whatever it is. G'day Greg, This photo has been sent to me at least 2 or 3 times over the past few years. I have replied to their inquiries but never gotten a response. It doesn't seem quite right to me but I've suggested taking a sample and getting it looked at by a scientist. No response! Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: Greg Catterton To: Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 2:36 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Opinions on this... whatever it is. One of the many emails I have been getting from people wanting to know if they have a meteorite or not... Not sure just what this thing is, but its Strange looking. As always, this also comes with a story behind it. http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/DSC02157.jpg Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Opinions on this... whatever it is.
Sounds good. Thanks for the explanation Mike. Kirk. - Original Message - From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com To: Becky and Kirk ba...@chorus.net Cc: METEORITE LIST meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 9:18 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Opinions on this... whatever it is. Hi All, The regmaglypts on the trailing end are flaring in directions contrary the leading edge of entry and they do not match the majority of the other regmglypts. This is a man-made object - probably yard art or some kind of prop. Best regards, MikeG On 5/1/10, Becky and Kirk ba...@chorus.net wrote: Very impressive-are you guys sure that its not the real McCoy?? WOW! Kirk...:-) - Original Message - From: Warren Sansoucie warren3...@hotmail.com To: METEORITE LIST meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 8:24 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Opinions on this... whatever it is. Hello, Yes, my first instinct on looking at that thing is to fire up a portable wet saw and cut the crap out of it. It almost looks like a prob from a B movie. Warren Sansoucie From: i...@meteorites.com.au To: star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 17:28:50 +1000 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Opinions on this... whatever it is. G'day Greg, This photo has been sent to me at least 2 or 3 times over the past few years. I have replied to their inquiries but never gotten a response. It doesn't seem quite right to me but I've suggested taking a sample and getting it looked at by a scientist. No response! Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: Greg Catterton To: Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 2:36 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Opinions on this... whatever it is. One of the many emails I have been getting from people wanting to know if they have a meteorite or not... Not sure just what this thing is, but its Strange looking. As always, this also comes with a story behind it. http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/DSC02157.jpg Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Wisconsin Prices
David's point is well-taken and I apologize. I went for the bait and wish I didn't. I should have just stated that no one has the right to impose their aesthetic on others---or slam those who might disagree. Moving on... __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Opinions on this... whatever it is.
Greg, Did you post what the story behind it is? Because if this guy has reason to believe it is a meteorite it would help to know why. Did it fall through his roof or was it found at a space movie sound stage? Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax Becky and Kirk ba...@chorus.net wrote: Sounds good. Thanks for the explanation Mike. Kirk. - Original Message - From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com To: Becky and Kirk ba...@chorus.net Cc: METEORITE LIST meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 9:18 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Opinions on this... whatever it is. Hi All, The regmaglypts on the trailing end are flaring in directions contrary the leading edge of entry and they do not match the majority of the other regmglypts. This is a man-made object - probably yard art or some kind of prop. Best regards, MikeG On 5/1/10, Becky and Kirk ba...@chorus.net wrote: Very impressive-are you guys sure that its not the real McCoy?? WOW! Kirk...:-) - Original Message - From: Warren Sansoucie warren3...@hotmail.com To: METEORITE LIST meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 8:24 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Opinions on this... whatever it is. Hello, Yes, my first instinct on looking at that thing is to fire up a portable wet saw and cut the crap out of it. It almost looks like a prob from a B movie. Warren Sansoucie From: i...@meteorites.com.au To: star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 17:28:50 +1000 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Opinions on this... whatever it is. G'day Greg, This photo has been sent to me at least 2 or 3 times over the past few years. I have replied to their inquiries but never gotten a response. It doesn't seem quite right to me but I've suggested taking a sample and getting it looked at by a scientist. No response! Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: Greg Catterton To: Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 2:36 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Opinions on this... whatever it is. One of the many emails I have been getting from people wanting to know if they have a meteorite or not... Not sure just what this thing is, but its Strange looking. As always, this also comes with a story behind it. http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/DSC02157.jpg Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Opinions on this... whatever it is.
Hi Gang, The problem with a photo like this, it's just one angle and one photo. For all we know, the object is hollow with a cavity facing away from the camera. There could be a piece of scrap iron attached to the inside surface that the magnet is attracted to through the non-ferrous surface. Or, the attached magnet could be a fake, screwed in place to the object. I lived near an eccentric artist in Louisiana who had a yard full of weird metal art that he had welded together. I could see someone making something like this out of plaster, concrete, or paper mache over a wire frame. Without additional photos and some back story, one has to go strictly by what we see. The regmaglypts look decent, until you come to the trailing end of orientation - there we see regmaglypts facing off in multiple directions that are contrary to the other regmaglypts elsewhere on the mass. Whoever made this had some idea of what thumbprints look like, but they didn't understand aerodynamics and the forces at work which create them. Since a natural object like this is clearly impossible based on the thumbprinting alone, I'd wager that this is an artificial creation. Best regards, MikeG On 5/1/10, cdtuc...@cox.net cdtuc...@cox.net wrote: Greg, Did you post what the story behind it is? Because if this guy has reason to believe it is a meteorite it would help to know why. Did it fall through his roof or was it found at a space movie sound stage? Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax Becky and Kirk ba...@chorus.net wrote: Sounds good. Thanks for the explanation Mike. Kirk. - Original Message - From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com To: Becky and Kirk ba...@chorus.net Cc: METEORITE LIST meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 9:18 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Opinions on this... whatever it is. Hi All, The regmaglypts on the trailing end are flaring in directions contrary the leading edge of entry and they do not match the majority of the other regmglypts. This is a man-made object - probably yard art or some kind of prop. Best regards, MikeG On 5/1/10, Becky and Kirk ba...@chorus.net wrote: Very impressive-are you guys sure that its not the real McCoy?? WOW! Kirk...:-) - Original Message - From: Warren Sansoucie warren3...@hotmail.com To: METEORITE LIST meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 8:24 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Opinions on this... whatever it is. Hello, Yes, my first instinct on looking at that thing is to fire up a portable wet saw and cut the crap out of it. It almost looks like a prob from a B movie. Warren Sansoucie From: i...@meteorites.com.au To: star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 17:28:50 +1000 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Opinions on this... whatever it is. G'day Greg, This photo has been sent to me at least 2 or 3 times over the past few years. I have replied to their inquiries but never gotten a response. It doesn't seem quite right to me but I've suggested taking a sample and getting it looked at by a scientist. No response! Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: Greg Catterton To: Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 2:36 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Opinions on this... whatever it is. One of the many emails I have been getting from people wanting to know if they have a meteorite or not... Not sure just what this thing is, but its Strange looking. As always, this also comes with a story behind it. http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/DSC02157.jpg Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Re: [meteorite-list] Opinions on this... whatever it is
It looks like the rocks I saw while visiting the plant Zeurtron back in 1587. They often piled them up in their yards and took crystals and placed them on top. Spheres were also popular since they sat well in the thumbprints on top. Of course the people of Zeurtron had much bigger specimens of these. The Zeurtrons were closer to Venus and Neptune and often gathered artifacts from those ancient civilizations that were worshipped long ago by other cultures. I did see many of the cultures represented from the Earth from Old Europe and their paranoid objects represented there. I believe the Zeurtrons used to fly to Earth on weekend get-a-ways to have a good time and scare the earthlings and make them even more paranoid then they were in the 13th and 14th centuries and the objects they worshipped, much like the Earthlings are now. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Wisconsin Prices
Good morning Jason, I don't know. Ward's collection ended in Chicago and New York. The DuPont collection in Chicago too. Nininger's collection in London and Flagstaff. Zeitschel's collection in Tokyo and many examples more. So we can't be sure, that once the Hupé- , the Farmer-, the Utas-collection will have a similar fate :-) They sit at home until a new fall happens within driving distance, and then rush to the scene -- not in the hopes of finding a collection piece, but with the hope of finding a stone to sell. Really? I think that is somewhat exaggerated. Only cause Joe sliced his stone. Look we saw just with the WI-fall so many happy finders. I don't think, that Jim Baxter (and his third stone, the oriented one, is in my opinion prettier than Joe's find) will ever slice one of his finds. Neither I believe that Terry ever will sell a stone (note that he even donated some), nor Ward, nor most of the other finders. I think that is a similar pseudo problem, like the overestimated number of meteorite hunters. Observed falls happen simply too rarely that many collectors would travel to the places of action, and most falls yield to few stones, that they would find one to dice. And with mass finds, it is less tragic if some stones are cut. (And btw. the more hunters, the more finds, the higher the tkw, the cheaper the fall, the easier to save a stone from being cut.. isn't it?) It's a new generation of quasi-dealers who *don't* traverse the world for new falls. I don't understand, if not, then they don't have any stones for dicing? Most private collectors keep horrible records Really? Or guesswork? I've rather an opposite impression. Also regarding the curation it seems to me that all in all private collectors take somewhat more care. No wonder, as they paid their hard-earned money for their pieces, so that most of them are highly alerted, if the first small spot of rust appears on a surface of a stone. In many universities there are kept some interesting historic specimens, but unfortunately meteorites are such an exotic niche of mineralogy and geology, that in such places they rot forgotten in some drawers, after the scientist, who once acquired them had left the stage. And unfortunately due to the cutback of funds, several of the very well-known museums can't care for their meteorites as it would be good or minimal standard. So let's be more constructive. Jason, what do you suggest, how entire and remarkable specimens could be better preserved uncut? Let's check the initial position: Today institutes often have somewhat limited means. Anyway for research, due to the better techniques, they need only small amounts of material. For thin sections and the analyses in general only a very few grams, to do their work completely. Therefore they tend to acquire only minor amounts. Understandable, because instead to buy one large lump, they can work on dozens of different meteorites for the same money. And today the museums, which hoarded meteorites for the posterity, aren't able to buy meteorites anymore, often even not tiny slices. (Uuh, I remember that once it was for me much more easier to repatriate a quite rare and historic US-iron-fullslice to the tiny local museum in the village, where it was found nearby, than to sell to or to swap it with one of the large institutional US-collections, which hadn't that iron yet.) Additionally the market for specialized private collectors isn't capable enough, to take over most of the entire specimens. Plus - the efforts to find meteorites outside of Antarctica of the public sector are extremely marginal. So marginal, that by far most meteoritic finds of our times are produced by private hunters, collectors, dealers. A researcher is paid by the state, for doing his research on meteorites and sometimes also for hunting them. A private person isn't paid by the public, so he's forced to make money with a part of his finds, to be able to continue to produce all these new meteorites. So what do you suggest? I think, perhaps a simple solution would be, that the meteorite budgets of the institutes and museums should be partially restored again. Talking of meteorites doesn't mean to talk of catastrophic sums. I recently read some prices from the Fine Arts Fair in Maastricht, Where also museums are buying and collecting art is also a public task. I found there, that a single Gauguin, and he painted quite a lot of pictures, would buy all lunaites of the private sector, hence 90% of the Non-Apollo lunar material in existence. Huh and an old master from the Netherlands, the name not known among those, who are not interested that much in art, would buy all HEDs ever found on Earth, except Millbillillie. I read some days ago in the Antarctic Sun that the annual budget of NSF to maintain the Antarctic facilities and for all research projects there, is 420 million USD. Dunnoh if the salaries of the meteorite people there are included there or paid by the
[meteorite-list] Speaking of Wisconsin Prices
http://www.thonline.com/article.cfm?id=281422 Meteorite hunters find fragments People look for pieces across southwest Wisconsin. The going rate appears to be about $5 to $10 per gram. BY CRAIG D. REBER TH STAFF WRITER LIVINGSTON, Wis. -- Livingston Village President Tom Brown found a small piece of a meteorite earlier this week, according to a local businessman. I offered him a buck for it, said Tim Loeffelholz, of The Friendly Place, a convenience store and popular hangout. Brown turned him down. Shortly after a meteor exploded April 14 over southwest Wisconsin, hundreds of people descended on the area, searching for fragments. Meteorite pieces now join morels and turkeys as the objects of hunters, said the sales crew at Rural Route 1 Sales Shop in nearby Montfort. Spring turkey hunting season is under way, and given favorable weather, morel mushrooms will soon sprout. The going rate appears to be about $5 to $10 per gram, according to Tim T.J. Boldt, general manager of Pioneer Ford Mercury in Platteville, who found two fragments on his farm. He also said an Iowa-Grant Elementary School student found a fragment and sold it for $1,500. It's been very interesting and very exciting, he said. So have been the stories -- whether they've been told at Friendly's or Rural Route 1, a popcorn retailer. 9/11 -- people can remember where they Advertisement were then, said Janet Stecklein, Rural Route 1 manager. Now you can say, 'Where were you when the meteor hit?' It gives you something to talk about besides the weather. It's been a once-in-a-lifetime thing. Brynne Nodolf put a piece of the meteorite she found on her property on display at Rural Route 1, and it's attracting attention. People bring their children and grandchildren in to view a piece of history. I can't believe nobody got hit in the head, Stecklein said. Money is luring the hunters. Midweek, Madison's WISC-TV Channel 3 was in the area, doing a story about speculators buying fragments and reselling them on eBay for profit. Loeffelholz said there are still some meteorite hunters coming and going. The real serious guys had to get back to work, he said. But at one time, it was crazy. People were all over the place. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Opinions on this...
The piece in question looks a lot like a stem/fragment from a Carboniferous period plant. Cycadeoids from as late as the Cretaceous have similar looking stems. Just a thought... Brian __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] ISO - Iron meteorite slice 1/4x4 x16 needed
I need a slice 1/4x4 x16 or better of widmanstatten pattern for a customer of mine, does anyone have something that can fit this? I can do the etching myself. Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites --- On Sat, 5/1/10, brian burrer brim...@gmail.com wrote: From: brian burrer brim...@gmail.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Opinions on this... To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Saturday, May 1, 2010, 1:49 PM The piece in question looks a lot like a stem/fragment from a Carboniferous period plant. Cycadeoids from as late as the Cretaceous have similar looking stems. Just a thought... Brian __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fw: Opinions on this... whatever it is.
Just looking at the picture only without knowing any history. It looks to me like a real iron meteorite, thumb prints and all. It even has a magnet stuck to it. Next have it checked by an expert. - Forwarded Message From: Becky and Kirk ba...@chorus.net To: METEORITE LIST meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sat, May 1, 2010 8:57:59 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Opinions on this... whatever it is. Very impressive-are you guys sure that its not the real McCoy?? WOW! Kirk...:-) - Original Message - From: Warren Sansoucie href=mailto:warren3...@hotmail.com;warren3...@hotmail.com To: METEORITE LIST href=mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com;meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 8:24 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Opinions on this... whatever it is. Hello, Yes, my first instinct on looking at that thing is to fire up a portable wet saw and cut the crap out of it. It almost looks like a prob from a B movie. Warren Sansoucie From: ymailto=mailto:i...@meteorites.com.au; href=mailto:i...@meteorites.com.au;i...@meteorites.com.au To: href=mailto:star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com;star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com; href=mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com;meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 17:28:50 +1000 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Opinions on this... whatever it is. G'day Greg, This photo has been sent to me at least 2 or 3 times over the past few years. I have replied to their inquiries but never gotten a response. It doesn't seem quite right to me but I've suggested taking a sample and getting it looked at by a scientist. No response! Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: Greg Catterton To: Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 2:36 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Opinions on this... whatever it is. One of the many emails I have been getting from people wanting to know if they have a meteorite or not... Not sure just what this thing is, but its Strange looking. As always, this also comes with a story behind it. http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/DSC02157.jpg Greg Catterton href=http://www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com;www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list ymailto=mailto:Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; href=mailto:Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com;Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at target=_blank http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list ymailto=mailto:Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; href=mailto:Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com;Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at href=http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html; target=_blank http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list ymailto=mailto:Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; href=mailto:Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com;Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at target=_blank http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list href=mailto:Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com;Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com href=http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list; target=_blank http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] find Rob
If anyone around Livingston sees Rob Reisner please tell him to give me a call. I am at the same place. 262-284-3926. Thanks! __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Wisconsin Prices
Martin, Your last post has convinced me to nominate you for a Harvey Award this next year. Are you coming to Tucson by any chance in 2011? Steve Arnold of Meteorite Men Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel -Original Message- From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 19:29:01 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Wisconsin Prices Good morning Jason, I don't know. Ward's collection ended in Chicago and New York. The DuPont collection in Chicago too. Nininger's collection in London and Flagstaff. Zeitschel's collection in Tokyo and many examples more. So we can't be sure, that once the Hupé- , the Farmer-, the Utas-collection will have a similar fate :-) They sit at home until a new fall happens within driving distance, and then rush to the scene -- not in the hopes of finding a collection piece, but with the hope of finding a stone to sell. Really? I think that is somewhat exaggerated. Only cause Joe sliced his stone. Look we saw just with the WI-fall so many happy finders. I don't think, that Jim Baxter (and his third stone, the oriented one, is in my opinion prettier than Joe's find) will ever slice one of his finds. Neither I believe that Terry ever will sell a stone (note that he even donated some), nor Ward, nor most of the other finders. I think that is a similar pseudo problem, like the overestimated number of meteorite hunters. Observed falls happen simply too rarely that many collectors would travel to the places of action, and most falls yield to few stones, that they would find one to dice. And with mass finds, it is less tragic if some stones are cut. (And btw. the more hunters, the more finds, the higher the tkw, the cheaper the fall, the easier to save a stone from being cut.. isn't it?) It's a new generation of quasi-dealers who *don't* traverse the world for new falls. I don't understand, if not, then they don't have any stones for dicing? Most private collectors keep horrible records Really? Or guesswork? I've rather an opposite impression. Also regarding the curation it seems to me that all in all private collectors take somewhat more care. No wonder, as they paid their hard-earned money for their pieces, so that most of them are highly alerted, if the first small spot of rust appears on a surface of a stone. In many universities there are kept some interesting historic specimens, but unfortunately meteorites are such an exotic niche of mineralogy and geology, that in such places they rot forgotten in some drawers, after the scientist, who once acquired them had left the stage. And unfortunately due to the cutback of funds, several of the very well-known museums can't care for their meteorites as it would be good or minimal standard. So let's be more constructive. Jason, what do you suggest, how entire and remarkable specimens could be better preserved uncut? Let's check the initial position: Today institutes often have somewhat limited means. Anyway for research, due to the better techniques, they need only small amounts of material. For thin sections and the analyses in general only a very few grams, to do their work completely. Therefore they tend to acquire only minor amounts. Understandable, because instead to buy one large lump, they can work on dozens of different meteorites for the same money. And today the museums, which hoarded meteorites for the posterity, aren't able to buy meteorites anymore, often even not tiny slices. (Uuh, I remember that once it was for me much more easier to repatriate a quite rare and historic US-iron-fullslice to the tiny local museum in the village, where it was found nearby, than to sell to or to swap it with one of the large institutional US-collections, which hadn't that iron yet.) Additionally the market for specialized private collectors isn't capable enough, to take over most of the entire specimens. Plus - the efforts to find meteorites outside of Antarctica of the public sector are extremely marginal. So marginal, that by far most meteoritic finds of our times are produced by private hunters, collectors, dealers. A researcher is paid by the state, for doing his research on meteorites and sometimes also for hunting them. A private person isn't paid by the public, so he's forced to make money with a part of his finds, to be able to continue to produce all these new meteorites. So what do you suggest? I think, perhaps a simple solution would be, that the meteorite budgets of the institutes and museums should be partially restored again. Talking of meteorites doesn't mean to talk of catastrophic sums. I recently read some prices from the Fine Arts Fair in Maastricht, Where also museums are buying and collecting art is also a public task. I found there, that a single Gauguin, and he painted quite a lot of pictures, would buy all lunaites of the private sector, hence 90% of the Non-Apollo lunar material in existence. Huh and an
Re: [meteorite-list] Opinions on this...
Here is the story that came with it: I will tell you about the stone,late 35 years ago my brother worked as a mine buisness up north on the border of Thailand and Burmar in the forest,one day Kalieng hill tribe [Kalieng hill tribe are some small people lived on the border]came to my brother office in the forest and changed the stone with my brother shot gun and walked away,now my brother dead with cancer already,so I have the stone. when you see the analysis do you think what it was?Have you been to Bangkok. The owner is not willing to provide a sample to be testing or inspected first hand, that always worries me. Also, its almost like the classic x died and left me with billions and I want to give it to you if you send me x amount to help Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites --- On Sat, 5/1/10, brian burrer brim...@gmail.com wrote: From: brian burrer brim...@gmail.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Opinions on this... To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Saturday, May 1, 2010, 1:49 PM The piece in question looks a lot like a stem/fragment from a Carboniferous period plant. Cycadeoids from as late as the Cretaceous have similar looking stems. Just a thought... Brian __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Opinions on this...
Maybe it's a cast of a meteorite sculpture done by the lost wax process. I would say it could be a cast of a real meteorite, but the regs just don't look quite right. It's been pointed out they don't flow correctly. I get the same feeling from this I get from looking at a Picasso or Van Gogh forgery, (lots of them on eBay), it's sort of like the real thing, but you know it's not authentic. It looks like someone's idea of what an iron meteorite should look like. Apart from the overall bad first impression, I think the effect would have been better if they had sanded down the ridges of the questionable regmaglypts and plugged all the popped bubble holes! After hearing the story, I think the guy's a scammer. It is, however one of the more interesting meteorwrongs (meteoforgery, pseudosiderite, ersatzeroid, facsimilite, replicaerolite, cosmocounterfeit ), that I've seen in awhile. Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Wisconsin Prices
He surely deserves a Harvey, Steve, not just by virtue of this single post alone! So let the idea roll. One of the real Oldies and Goodies imho... Alex Berlin/Germany Original-Nachricht Datum: Sat, 1 May 2010 18:49:57 + Von: meteorh...@aol.com An: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de, meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Wisconsin Prices Martin, Your last post has convinced me to nominate you for a Harvey Award this next year. Are you coming to Tucson by any chance in 2011? Steve Arnold of Meteorite Men Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel -Original Message- From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 19:29:01 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Wisconsin Prices Good morning Jason, I don't know. Ward's collection ended in Chicago and New York. The DuPont collection in Chicago too. Nininger's collection in London and Flagstaff. Zeitschel's collection in Tokyo and many examples more. So we can't be sure, that once the Hupé- , the Farmer-, the Utas-collection will have a similar fate :-) They sit at home until a new fall happens within driving distance, and then rush to the scene -- not in the hopes of finding a collection piece, but with the hope of finding a stone to sell. Really? I think that is somewhat exaggerated. Only cause Joe sliced his stone. Look we saw just with the WI-fall so many happy finders. I don't think, that Jim Baxter (and his third stone, the oriented one, is in my opinion prettier than Joe's find) will ever slice one of his finds. Neither I believe that Terry ever will sell a stone (note that he even donated some), nor Ward, nor most of the other finders. I think that is a similar pseudo problem, like the overestimated number of meteorite hunters. Observed falls happen simply too rarely that many collectors would travel to the places of action, and most falls yield to few stones, that they would find one to dice. And with mass finds, it is less tragic if some stones are cut. (And btw. the more hunters, the more finds, the higher the tkw, the cheaper the fall, the easier to save a stone from being cut.. isn't it?) It's a new generation of quasi-dealers who *don't* traverse the world for new falls. I don't understand, if not, then they don't have any stones for dicing? Most private collectors keep horrible records Really? Or guesswork? I've rather an opposite impression. Also regarding the curation it seems to me that all in all private collectors take somewhat more care. No wonder, as they paid their hard-earned money for their pieces, so that most of them are highly alerted, if the first small spot of rust appears on a surface of a stone. In many universities there are kept some interesting historic specimens, but unfortunately meteorites are such an exotic niche of mineralogy and geology, that in such places they rot forgotten in some drawers, after the scientist, who once acquired them had left the stage. And unfortunately due to the cutback of funds, several of the very well-known museums can't care for their meteorites as it would be good or minimal standard. So let's be more constructive. Jason, what do you suggest, how entire and remarkable specimens could be better preserved uncut? Let's check the initial position: Today institutes often have somewhat limited means. Anyway for research, due to the better techniques, they need only small amounts of material. For thin sections and the analyses in general only a very few grams, to do their work completely. Therefore they tend to acquire only minor amounts. Understandable, because instead to buy one large lump, they can work on dozens of different meteorites for the same money. And today the museums, which hoarded meteorites for the posterity, aren't able to buy meteorites anymore, often even not tiny slices. (Uuh, I remember that once it was for me much more easier to repatriate a quite rare and historic US-iron-fullslice to the tiny local museum in the village, where it was found nearby, than to sell to or to swap it with one of the large institutional US-collections, which hadn't that iron yet.) Additionally the market for specialized private collectors isn't capable enough, to take over most of the entire specimens. Plus - the efforts to find meteorites outside of Antarctica of the public sector are extremely marginal. So marginal, that by far most meteoritic finds of our times are produced by private hunters, collectors, dealers. A researcher is paid by the state, for doing his research on meteorites and sometimes also for hunting them. A private person isn't paid by the public, so he's forced to make money with a part of his finds, to be able to continue to produce all these new
[meteorite-list] Wisconsin
Howdy all I've returned to my day job from a trip to the WI strewn field. I arrived with my boots worn in, and left with my boots worn out! Even though I left without finding a stone, I had a magnificent time and would gladly do it all again. I got to participate as other members of our field party found a couple of very nice meteorites and finally got to meet several folks from the list in person. Thanks to all of y'all for a wonderful trip, and may you find many more stones. Many thanks are due to the galactically friendly, patient locals who made me want to move up there. And Sonny, good luck selling that meteorite with the trilobite in it - you know, the one that hit the mailbox and bounced off of the cow. I hear they're not worth much if there's a chip in the fusion crust like that. Cheers, Marc Fries __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Re: [meteorite-list] Wisconsin vs Tamdakht and other NWA falls
Hello Adam, I'm not sure that I understand when you say that you no longer chase falls and haven't for years. Weren't you here in WI chasing down Livingston a week or so ago? Please don't take offence, as that is not my intention. Just wondering. Kind Regards, Ryan Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 22:04:39 To: Adammeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Wisconsin vs Tamdakht and other NWA falls Hi Aziz and List, Attempting to figure out meteorite pricing is a difficult challenge. The very best you can do is follow trends. In the case of new falls, hype will increase prices only temporarily then they tend to plunge dramatically. I stopped trying to figure out the hammer stone thing a long time ago. I can not figure out why, New Orleans which penetrated a house top to bottom only sells for between $25.00 to $40.00/gram when there was only a single stone in which very little was released. Claxton which weighs much less than Peekskill and hit a smaller target is currently selling for less than this new fall which is just an ordinary although beautiful chondrite. Completely crusted Pultusk peas only sell for about $40.00/gram at most and offer significant historical value. Although Moroccan meteorite falls sell for much less, they are none the less rare. I have done much better investing in Moroccan falls than North American falls, neither of which I invest in anymore. I no longer chase falls and haven't for years. These days, I usually pick up a single specimen of each for my collection after the hype has died down. I have lost money on nearly every recent fall I have ever invested in by jumping in too soon. I learned the hard way. I find it much more enjoyable pursuing cold finds with hopes of nailing down the first North American Lunar. I guess if a fall were to hit here in Nevada, I might chase some of it down but would get out before things turned ugly. A lot of Nevadans love their guns and it is not uncommon at all to run into people in the field wearing them on the the hip, cocked and ready to rock. I hear people shooting off guns in the desert all of the time here in Laughlin, Nevada. Even the local preacher can be found plinking cans out in the desert a few blocks from my house. Luckily everybody I have run into out in the field here has been friendly so far. I think this would change if they ever felt they were being ripped off. I am surpised with all this talk of big money and meteorites, nobody has been shot yet although I have heard of a few close calls. The dollar cost averaging statement that was recently made makes no sense at all to me. When did meteorites become commodities? Dollar cost averaging down doesn't seem like a sound investment. From a collector's standpoint, I think showing some restraint and waiting is a better move than paying when the hype is maximum. If you think of meteorites as mere commodities, you are missing the real value. Sometimes, things are worth more than just the price tag somebody has arbitrarily attached to them and I am not talking about monetary value. Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Wisconsin vs Tamdakht and other NWA falls
.. I just realized after sending my previous email that I had once again gotten the Hupe brothers mixed up. My sincere apologies. Ryan Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 22:04:39 To: Adammeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Wisconsin vs Tamdakht and other NWA falls Hi Aziz and List, Attempting to figure out meteorite pricing is a difficult challenge. The very best you can do is follow trends. In the case of new falls, hype will increase prices only temporarily then they tend to plunge dramatically. I stopped trying to figure out the hammer stone thing a long time ago. I can not figure out why, New Orleans which penetrated a house top to bottom only sells for between $25.00 to $40.00/gram when there was only a single stone in which very little was released. Claxton which weighs much less than Peekskill and hit a smaller target is currently selling for less than this new fall which is just an ordinary although beautiful chondrite. Completely crusted Pultusk peas only sell for about $40.00/gram at most and offer significant historical value. Although Moroccan meteorite falls sell for much less, they are none the less rare. I have done much better investing in Moroccan falls than North American falls, neither of which I invest in anymore. I no longer chase falls and haven't for years. These days, I usually pick up a single specimen of each for my collection after the hype has died down. I have lost money on nearly every recent fall I have ever invested in by jumping in too soon. I learned the hard way. I find it much more enjoyable pursuing cold finds with hopes of nailing down the first North American Lunar. I guess if a fall were to hit here in Nevada, I might chase some of it down but would get out before things turned ugly. A lot of Nevadans love their guns and it is not uncommon at all to run into people in the field wearing them on the the hip, cocked and ready to rock. I hear people shooting off guns in the desert all of the time here in Laughlin, Nevada. Even the local preacher can be found plinking cans out in the desert a few blocks from my house. Luckily everybody I have run into out in the field here has been friendly so far. I think this would change if they ever felt they were being ripped off. I am surpised with all this talk of big money and meteorites, nobody has been shot yet although I have heard of a few close calls. The dollar cost averaging statement that was recently made makes no sense at all to me. When did meteorites become commodities? Dollar cost averaging down doesn't seem like a sound investment. From a collector's standpoint, I think showing some restraint and waiting is a better move than paying when the hype is maximum. If you think of meteorites as mere commodities, you are missing the real value. Sometimes, things are worth more than just the price tag somebody has arbitrarily attached to them and I am not talking about monetary value. Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: ebay auctions ending in 1 day
Dear List, I have 20 ebay auctions ending in approx. 22 hours. Here is a list of items up for sale: - Bassikounou - Bencubbin - Cape York - Dar al Gani 400 lunar meteorite - Dhofar 007 Eucrite - Fukang Pallasite - Gibeon Sphere - Glorieta Mountain - Indarch - Millbillillie - 2 Mundrabilla slices - Murray (CM2) - NWA 869 Sphere - NWA 4024 Winonaite - St. Genevieve County - Tambo Quemado - Warburton Range If you are interested in any of the items please see them here: http://stores.ebay.com/mos-meteorites or through my website: http://www.m3t3orites.com Some auctions were started at $1.49 and some have starting bids. Good Luck to anyone bidding and thank you for viewing. Kind Regards Moritz Karl Germany Visit mo's meteorites at http://www.m3t3orites.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite hits 3 homes.
Here is the link. http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/city/blast-in-east-jakarta-believed-to-be-meteorite/372314 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite hits 3 homes.
What a crock. Story has so many holes and errors in it that you might think a tabloid put it out... Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites --- On Sat, 5/1/10, James Balister balisterja...@att.net wrote: From: James Balister balisterja...@att.net Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite hits 3 homes. To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Saturday, May 1, 2010, 6:05 PM Here is the link. http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/city/blast-in-east-jakarta-believed-to-be-meteorite/372314 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite hits 3 homes.
Thanks for that link. I needed a good laugh. I especially like the bit about not finding any fragments because it's dark inside the house! They don't have flashlights in Indonesia? What about all the light spilling through from the hole in the roof and second floor that was big enough for furniture to fall through? IMO this was published 30 days late. Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: James Balister balisterja...@att.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 4:05 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite hits 3 homes. Here is the link. http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/city/blast-in-east-jakarta-believed-to-be-meteorite/372314 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Opinions on this... whatever it is.
Looks like a made up fake to me, modeled out of some material such as groggy brick clay/iron oxides and fired. The ragmaglypts do not look natural. Graham, UK Jeff Kuyken i...@meteorites.com.au wrote: That line is interesting. I personally lean towards a slag. There are actually quite a few vesicles through the surface and if you have a look near the top-right corner there is a broken spot on the exterior revealing what appears to be a vesicle-filled and non-metallic interior. But it is hard to tell for sure from such a small pic. Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com To: Jeff Kuyken i...@meteorites.com.au Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 7:32 PM Subject: Fwd: [meteorite-list] Opinions on this... whatever it is. -- Forwarded message -- From: Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com Date: Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 10:16 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Opinions on this... whatever it is. To: star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com I've seen this before, too. A close look revealed a very strange texturing on its top left surface -- and take a look at that nice horizontal seam running all the way around it. Regards, Jason On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 9:36 PM, Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com wrote: One of the many emails I have been getting from people wanting to know if they have a meteorite or not... Not sure just what this thing is, but its Strange looking. As always, this also comes with a story behind it. http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/DSC02157.jpg Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Sean Murray Please Contact Me
Sean Murray Please Contact Me 760-522-2152 Regards. Eric __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Opinions on this... whatever it is.
I would like to see what the rest of it looks like! But even with out seeing the other side I will offer you $10. for it! - Original Message From: ensorama...@ntlworld.com ensorama...@ntlworld.com To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sat, May 1, 2010 6:27:52 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Opinions on this... whatever it is. Looks like a made up fake to me, modeled out of some material such as groggy brick clay/iron oxides and fired. The ragmaglypts do not look natural. Graham, UK Jeff Kuyken ymailto=mailto:i...@meteorites.com.au; href=mailto:i...@meteorites.com.au;i...@meteorites.com.au wrote: That line is interesting. I personally lean towards a slag. There are actually quite a few vesicles through the surface and if you have a look near the top-right corner there is a broken spot on the exterior revealing what appears to be a vesicle-filled and non-metallic interior. But it is hard to tell for sure from such a small pic. Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: Jason Utas ymailto=mailto:meteorite...@gmail.com; href=mailto:meteorite...@gmail.com;meteorite...@gmail.com To: Jeff Kuyken href=mailto:i...@meteorites.com.au;i...@meteorites.com.au Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 7:32 PM Subject: Fwd: [meteorite-list] Opinions on this... whatever it is. -- Forwarded message -- From: Jason Utas ymailto=mailto:meteorite...@gmail.com; href=mailto:meteorite...@gmail.com;meteorite...@gmail.com Date: Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 10:16 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Opinions on this... whatever it is. To: ymailto=mailto:star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com; href=mailto:star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com;star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com I've seen this before, too. A close look revealed a very strange texturing on its top left surface -- and take a look at that nice horizontal seam running all the way around it. Regards, Jason On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 9:36 PM, Greg Catterton ymailto=mailto:star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com; href=mailto:star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com;star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com wrote: One of the many emails I have been getting from people wanting to know if they have a meteorite or not... Not sure just what this thing is, but its Strange looking. As always, this also comes with a story behind it. http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/DSC02157.jpg Greg Catterton href=http://www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com;www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list ymailto=mailto:Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; href=mailto:Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com;Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at href=http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html; target=_blank http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list ymailto=mailto:Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; href=mailto:Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com;Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at href=http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html; target=_blank http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list href=mailto:Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com;Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com href=http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list; target=_blank http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
