[meteorite-list] Moroccan business meteorite is suffering
hello all price are high very high, , there is no more meteorite found like old time; you want to have meteorite in sahara desert you have to pay more ; and more and more so simpley and so sadly ; the field are drying , so simple aziz h __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] POP QUIZ ANSWER
Hello Listers I would like to say thank you for all that submitted their answers. Question: T or F IDPs stand for Interplanetary displacement particles? Answer: F IPDs stands for interplanetary dust particles which are complex assemblages of primitive solar system materials. Source:http://presolar.wustl.edu/ref/2010_MAPS45_1889.pdf The winner is Richard S and he will win this http://www.flickr.com/photos/48262799@N03/5794168303/in/photostream 30x metal LED Loupe Thank you and till next time, keep looking up or down. Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBaystore http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html [meteorite-list] POP QUIZ FRIDAYSShawn Alan photophlow at yahoo.com Fri Jun 3 16:48:10 EDT 2011 Previous message: [meteorite-list] Aquarius/Juno/GRAIL/MSL Update - June 3, 2011 Next message: [meteorite-list] Thunder stone Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Hello Listerites, Another POP QUIZ Name of the game Be the 10th Listerite to email me off the List with the correct answer and you will win a free 30x metal LED Loupe http://www.flickr.com/photos/48262799@N03/5794168303/in/photostream Question T or F IDPs stand for Interplanetary displacement particles? Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBaystore http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html Previous message: [meteorite-list] Aquarius/Juno/GRAIL/MSL Update - June 3, 2011 Next message: [meteorite-list] Thunder stone Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] More information about the Meteorite-list mailing list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re : Moroccan business meteorite is suffering
al if the meteorite are intersting or unique or new unpaired material we pay a good price , we gamble this is the proper term in hope to find planetary meteorite: we are lately more gambling than buying meteorite or earth rock that look like meteorite,we call those suspecious meteorite and many martian and lunar come from those, but to the fact that some old fall are in sales now for more than what they were when found this is also true; most of the nomade keep there stone because we can't pay the price they are asking, take care aziz h The question is will dealers pay more if they can't make any money on specimens? Seems like you can buy old falls for as much or less than the new stuff coming out of the Sahara. Unless it is something like lunar, martain or ultra rare material specimens. Best! --AL Mitterling - Original Message - From: habibi abdelaziz azizhab...@yahoo.com To: meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2011 8:22 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Moroccan business meteorite is suffering hello all price are high very high, , there is no more meteorite found like old time; you want to have meteorite in sahara desert you have to pay more ; and more and more so simpley and so sadly ; the field are drying , so simple aziz h __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD Whetstone Mountains end cut.
Good morning List Members. I have an E-bay auction ending this afternoon on the last endcut from my 204 gram Whetstone Mountains stone. Once this endcut is gone i only have available two slices left of this stone. Feel free to contact me offlist in interested in either of the two remaining slices. Have a great day and thanks for looking...Todd http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=170648068075ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: Aldsworth ebay auctions finish in a few hours
Hi all, I have 2 auctions of specimens of Aldsworth finishing on ebay soon. If interested dont let these get away as Aldsworth is almost never seen for sale anywhere. These specimens come from my personal collection piece whic comes from the NHM via Rob Elliott. Links to the auctions are below: 30mg of super rare historic Aldsworth fell England 1835 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=250829326420ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT) 15mg of super rare historic Aldsworth fell England 1835 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=250829326418ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT) Cheers Martin -- Martin Goff www.msg-meteorites.co.uk IMCA #3387 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD- Summer Sale - 15% off many hard to find specimens!
Hello, Everyone! We are having a summer sale - 15% off many items on our website, many of which are hard to find specimens. Here are the items and their weights: Glorieta Slice - 1065 grams Cape York - 494.4 gms Bassikounou - 16.7 gm Huaytiquina - 195 gms Wolsey - 318 gm Little Spring Creek - 86.5 gm NWA 1222 - 149 gm Abee - 236 gm Libyan Desert Glass - 1096 gm Libyan desert Glass - 454 gm Chergach - 770.9 gm Sikhote Alin- 726 gm Sikhote Alin - 6358 gm Winona - 10.35 gm Winona - 3.91 gm Stannern - 7 gm Dhofar 125 - 125.5 gm NWA 2932 - 49.4 gm Billygoat Donga - 12.93 gm Faith - 15.35 gm Faith - 11.9gm Lemmon- 43.4 gm D'Orbigny - 63.74 gm NWA 4473 - 8.8 gm Bandong - 17.4 gm Kingfisher - 39.5 gm La Criolla - 11.34 gm Kunashak - 33.4 gm Prices are updated on the website. This is a great opportunity to add that piece to your collection! http://kdmeteorites.com/ChondriteMeteoritesForSale.html http://kdmeteorites.com/EtchedMeteoriteSlicesForSale.html Thanks for looking and have a great weekend! Dana -- KD Meteorites kdmeteorites.com admiremeteorites.com Keith and Dana Jenkerson 4596 N. Vickie Lane Kingman, AZ., 86409 928-399-0140 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Moroccan business meteorite is suffering
Hi Habibi, The question is will dealers pay more if they can't make any money on specimens? Seems like you can buy old falls for as much or less than the new stuff coming out of the Sahara. Unless it is something like lunar, martain or ultra rare material specimens. Best! --AL Mitterling - Original Message - From: habibi abdelaziz azizhab...@yahoo.com To: meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2011 8:22 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Moroccan business meteorite is suffering hello all price are high very high, , there is no more meteorite found like old time; you want to have meteorite in sahara desert you have to pay more ; and more and more so simpley and so sadly ; the field are drying , so simple aziz h __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Moroccan business meteorite is suffering
we seen when any person buy meteorites from morocco if the prices not go down. Me its from over 3 years I not buy any. Matteo M come Meteorite Meteoriti i...@mcomemeteorite.it http://www.mcomemeteorite.it http://www.mcomemeteorite.eu Mindat Gallery http://www.mindat.org/gallery-5018.html ChinellatoPhoto Servizi Fotografici http://www.chinellatophoto.com Da: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com A: meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Data: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 05:22:41 -0700 (PDT) Oggetto: [meteorite-list] Moroccan business meteorite is suffering hello all price are high very high, , there is no more meteorite found like old time; you want to have meteorite in sahara desert you have to pay more ; and more and more so simpley and so sadly ; the field are drying , so simple aziz h __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Looking to buy - Sudbury Impactite
Hi Mike, Well, my friend, you're about 6 years too late on my Sudbury Impactite. I had several large slabs of it and sold half, but it didn't go for enough and then one day I was transplanting one of 30 plants, I don't even remember which one it was now, and I needed something to put in the bottom for drainage. I didn't feel like going out to the True-value to get a clay pot to break up and had several 1-2 by 4-5 pieces of Sudbury Impactite around and just put them over the drainage hole. IF I knew which plant it was I would dump it upside down, but it must have been one of my 8 foot tall plants that weighs 250 pounds in a 2 foot x 2 foot pot. If I ever transplant them in the future and find them, I will certainly contact you. ;-) ) All the best. Brian Message: 6 Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 22:12:10 -0400 From: Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com Subject: To: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: BANLkTinnHMj=x299xa9irn_uj-im37a...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Folks, I'm asking around trying to find a nice-sized chunk of Sudbury impact material - something roughly baseball sized for display. If you have something available, contact me off-list. I also still looking for micros of NWA 2999 angrite and etched Gibeon iron. Thanks in advance! MikeG - Galactic Stone Ironworks - Meteorites Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/pages/Galactic-Stone-Ironworks/218849894809686 News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - awesome meteorite sale with cant miss prices
Hi to all, hope everyone is doing well. I have a few items to offer for sale - pictures and more info on request. Carancas recovered by Bob Haag - $30 per gram - 1 gram minimum. Tatahouine - $10 per gram - 10g minimum and stones under 2g each Camel Donga - $15 per gram - 1 gram minimum. NWA 6658 Mesosiderite - $5 per gram with 1 gram minimum. Sikhote-Alin individuals - $2 per gram with 10g minimum. NWA 5363 (paired with NWA 5400) $30 per gram (BEST PRICE I HAVE SEEN ON THIS MATERIAL!) Orgueil - 70mg for $105 NWA 6550 (LL3.7) $3 per gram 115g NWA Ureilite (currently being classified) make offers NWA CC tkw1950 (currently being classified) complete stones - $5.00 per gram Buy a lot, I will offer even better prices. Thanks for looking! Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Moroccan business meteorite is suffering
The only thing that keeps me from buying directly from Morocco is the lack of PayPal and USPS there. The majority of my purchases are under $100, and by the time you include the fee for wiring a payment and FedEx's inflated shipping charges, it's just not cost effective for me to purchase directly from the source. If PayPal and USPS started serving Morocco, I'd start buying. Best regards, MikeG On 6/5/11, al mitt alm...@kconline.com wrote: Hi Habibi, The question is will dealers pay more if they can't make any money on specimens? Seems like you can buy old falls for as much or less than the new stuff coming out of the Sahara. Unless it is something like lunar, martain or ultra rare material specimens. Best! --AL Mitterling - Original Message - From: habibi abdelaziz azizhab...@yahoo.com To: meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2011 8:22 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Moroccan business meteorite is suffering hello all price are high very high, , there is no more meteorite found like old time; you want to have meteorite in sahara desert you have to pay more ; and more and more so simpley and so sadly ; the field are drying , so simple aziz h __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- - Galactic Stone Ironworks - Meteorites Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/pages/Galactic-Stone-Ironworks/218849894809686 News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Looking to buy - Sudbury Impactite
LOL. That has to be the most unorthodox use for impactite that I have ever heard! - Galactic Stone Ironworks - Meteorites Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/pages/Galactic-Stone-Ironworks/218849894809686 News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - On 6/5/11, Brian Cox searchingfor...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Hi Mike, Well, my friend, you're about 6 years too late on my Sudbury Impactite. I had several large slabs of it and sold half, but it didn't go for enough and then one day I was transplanting one of 30 plants, I don't even remember which one it was now, and I needed something to put in the bottom for drainage. I didn't feel like going out to the True-value to get a clay pot to break up and had several 1-2 by 4-5 pieces of Sudbury Impactite around and just put them over the drainage hole. IF I knew which plant it was I would dump it upside down, but it must have been one of my 8 foot tall plants that weighs 250 pounds in a 2 foot x 2 foot pot. If I ever transplant them in the future and find them, I will certainly contact you. ;-) ) All the best. Brian Message: 6 Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 22:12:10 -0400 From: Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com Subject: To: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: BANLkTinnHMj=x299xa9irn_uj-im37a...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Folks, I'm asking around trying to find a nice-sized chunk of Sudbury impact material - something roughly baseball sized for display. If you have something available, contact me off-list. I also still looking for micros of NWA 2999 angrite and etched Gibeon iron. Thanks in advance! MikeG - Galactic Stone Ironworks - Meteorites Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/pages/Galactic-Stone-Ironworks/218849894809686 News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: E.L. Krinov / Principles Of Meteoritics (International series of monographs on earth sciences)
Dear listmembers: Author is E.L. Krinov Title is Principles Of Meteoritics Book is written in English Hardcover Publisher: Pergamon Press, NY, 1960 PP xi + 535 with 7 plates; 154 bw figures. Contains a broad exposition of problems dealt with in meteoritics, covering the study of material composition, structure, morphological and physical properties, together with the study of conditions under which meteoric bodies move through the earth's atmosphere and in interplanetary space. Many pictures about Sikhote Alin. Used, very good. Ex-library copy. DJ is missing. Rare I am asking for 450 $ Shipping Handling: Shipping is free. If you are in doubt please email with questions. cu, Gegenschein -- NEU: FreePhone - kostenlos mobil telefonieren! Jetzt informieren: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freephone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re : Moroccan business meteorite is suffering
That's how markets evolve. When suppliers realize the fact that their unrealistic prices aren't getting them anywhere, they'll loosen up. It's the same everywhere. Bill Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 07:34:29 -0700 From: azizhab...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com CC: alm...@kconline.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Re : Moroccan business meteorite is suffering al if the meteorite are intersting or unique or new unpaired material we pay a good price , we gamble this is the proper term in hope to find planetary meteorite: we are lately more gambling than buying meteorite or earth rock that look like meteorite,we call those suspecious meteorite and many martian and lunar come from those, but to the fact that some old fall are in sales now for more than what they were when found this is also true; most of the nomade keep there stone because we can't pay the price they are asking, take care aziz h The question is will dealers pay more if they can't make any money on specimens? Seems like you can buy old falls for as much or less than the new stuff coming out of the Sahara. Unless it is something like lunar, martain or ultra rare material specimens. Best! --AL Mitterling - Original Message - From: habibi abdelaziz To: meteorite list Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2011 8:22 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Moroccan business meteorite is suffering hello all price are high very high, , there is no more meteorite found like old time; you want to have meteorite in sahara desert you have to pay more ; and more and more so simpley and so sadly ; the field are drying , so simple aziz h __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: Invitation to RockFest 2011 / June 1112 / Cartersville, Georgia
Hey List Members! Big news! A great show coming up at the Tellus Museum in beautiful Cartersville, Georgia. And our move is complete! First, the show! If you have not visited the Tellus Museum, you are in for a wonderful treat! The museum is WORLD CLASS! It may be a bit smaller than some, but it is second to none in quality. The mineral and fossil collection has to be experienced to be believed! My favorite display is that of Georgia gold. I could go on and on but would surely leave something out. I encourage you to visit the museum website and look at the various galleries, http://www.tellusmuseum.org/index.htm ! The museum location is great. As we used to say in East Tennessee, you can throw a rock from I-75 and hit the museum (seriously, you can see the museum from the interstate and the exit)! The museum is about 30 miles north of Atlanta at Exit 293 on I-75. There will be dealers outside and, this year for the first time, inside the museum! We were lucky enough to secure an indoor space! Next, our move! Our business has been located in Knoxville, Tennessee for over twenty years. A couple of months ago, I retired from my 'real' job of teaching chemistry (30 years at the same school!) and moved to Florida. The move is now complete! I will now have more time for the business and shows. Living on the beach is a 'bit' different from being in East Tennessee, to say the least! We will be at Tellus/Rockfest, inside the museum, with a wide assortment of minerals, fossils, meteorites, Native American jewelry, and related gift items. We have something for every taste and price range! We are not hard to find. Look for the booth with the ORANGE table covers! We will be insider the museum with several other wonderful dealers. Stop by! Say, Hi! Introduce yourself as a member of the list. It is always nice to be able to put a face with a name! And if there is something we have that you just cannot live without, we would appreciate the business! There are scheduled to be several great dealers, both inside and outside the museum, representing all phases of the rock, mineral, and jewelry hobby! More information can be found at the museum website, http://www.tellusmuseum.org/events/rockfest2011.html Hours for the show are: Saturday, June 11 10 am to 5 pm Sunday, June 12 10 noon to 4 pm If you have any other questions, send me an e-mail and maybe I can help! Hope to see you there! John Teague Cookie Young Volunteer Gems Melbourne, Florida __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re : Re : Moroccan business meteorite is suffering
bill this is not a good theories, at all, offer and demand make the rules of prices in the market , there is an equation of equilibre between offer and demand , and also rarity, plusieurs facteurs sont responsable de l'equation des prix , offre demande , rarete , type luxe ou nessecite, besoin anssi de suite, a plus aziz h - Message d'origine De : bill kies parkforest...@hotmail.com À : azizhab...@yahoo.com Cc : meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Envoyé le : Dim 5 juin 2011, 23h 20min 38s Objet : RE: [meteorite-list] Re : Moroccan business meteorite is suffering That's how markets evolve. When suppliers realize the fact that their unrealistic prices aren't getting them anywhere, they'll loosen up. It's the same everywhere. Bill Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 07:34:29 -0700 From: azizhab...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com CC: alm...@kconline.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Re : Moroccan business meteorite is suffering al if the meteorite are intersting or unique or new unpaired material we pay a good price , we gamble this is the proper term in hope to find planetary meteorite: we are lately more gambling than buying meteorite or earth rock that look like meteorite,we call those suspecious meteorite and many martian and lunar come from those, but to the fact that some old fall are in sales now for more than what they were when found this is also true; most of the nomade keep there stone because we can't pay the price they are asking, take care aziz h The question is will dealers pay more if they can't make any money on specimens? Seems like you can buy old falls for as much or less than the new stuff coming out of the Sahara. Unless it is something like lunar, martain or ultra rare material specimens. Best! --AL Mitterling - Original Message - From: habibi abdelaziz To: meteorite list Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2011 8:22 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Moroccan business meteorite is suffering hello all price are high very high, , there is no more meteorite found like old time; you want to have meteorite in sahara desert you have to pay more ; and more and more so simpley and so sadly ; the field are drying , so simple aziz h __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: Zagora, NWA 6145 Rumurutiite W0, Whitecourt, 2x Seymchan, NWA 5549 silicated iron, LL3 block of NWA 5931
Dear list members, New sunday new great collection pieces! I have listed 7 great meteoritic collectors' items on ebay. All start at only $ 1.99 and the auctions have no reserve price! Do not miss the chance for these great pieces. Nice large perfect etched Endcut of ZAGORA - 154.2g http://cgi.ebay.com/Meteorite-ZAGORA-iron-large-perfect-etched-half-154-2g-/230631332988?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item35b2b2dc7c Large polished block of NWA 5931 - LL3 - 63.6g http://cgi.ebay.com/Meteorite-NWA-5931-nice-LL3-large-polished-block-63-6g-/230631333796?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item35b2b2dfa4 Best SEYMCHAN pallasite uncleaned individual 453.8g http://cgi.ebay.com/Meteorite-SEYMCHAN-pallasite-BEST-Individual-453-8g-/230631334599?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item35b2b2e2c7 WHITECOURT - crater forming canadian iron - perfect etched full slice 12.1g http://cgi.ebay.com/Meteorite-WHITECOURT-perfect-etched-full-slice-12-1g-/230631335565?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item35b2b2e68d NWA 6145 - the W0 freshest Rumurutiite R5 - fresh cursted endcut 14.7g http://cgi.ebay.com/Meteorite-NWA-6145-NEW-R5-S4-W0-Rumuruti-endpiece-/370516603111?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item564482b0e7 SEYMCHAN - large etched slice with the Highlight of a Olivine crystal with a thickness of 8mm - nice clear green - 273g slice http://cgi.ebay.com/Meteorite-SEYMCHAN-pallasite-etched-slice-273g-/230631272709?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item35b2b1f105 NWA 5549 - Full slice of this nice silicated iron - perfect etched 155g http://cgi.ebay.com/Meteorite-NWA-5549-silic-iron-large-etched-slice-155g-/370516555471?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item564481f6cf Thank you for looking at my auctions. Good luck bidding. Best regards Mirko Mirko Graul Meteorite Quittenring.4 16321 Bernau GERMANY Phone: 0049-1724105015 E-Mail: m_gr...@yahoo.de WEB: www.meteorite-mirko.de Member of The Meteoritical Society (International Society for Meteoritics and Planetery Science) IMCA-Member: 2113 (International Meteorite Collectors Association) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re : Re : Moroccan business meteorite is suffering
Exactly. When the seller demands more than the buyer is willing to pay, the seller either adjusts his prices or keeps his merchandise. Supply and demand is more applicable to necessities than extravagances. None of us can eat meteorites, well, most of us can't or won't. Extremely rare material is an exception I suppose. Bill Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 15:08:34 -0700 From: azizhab...@yahoo.com Subject: Re : [meteorite-list] Re : Moroccan business meteorite is suffering To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com CC: parkforest...@hotmail.com bill this is not a good theories, at all, offer and demand make the rules of prices in the market , there is an equation of equilibre between offer and demand , and also rarity, plusieurs facteurs sont responsable de l'equation des prix , offre demande , rarete , type luxe ou nessecite, besoin anssi de suite, a plus aziz h - Message d'origine De : bill kies À : azizhab...@yahoo.com Cc : meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Envoyé le : Dim 5 juin 2011, 23h 20min 38s Objet : RE: [meteorite-list] Re : Moroccan business meteorite is suffering That's how markets evolve. When suppliers realize the fact that their unrealistic prices aren't getting them anywhere, they'll loosen up. It's the same everywhere. Bill Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 07:34:29 -0700 From: azizhab...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com CC: alm...@kconline.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Re : Moroccan business meteorite is suffering al if the meteorite are intersting or unique or new unpaired material we pay a good price , we gamble this is the proper term in hope to find planetary meteorite: we are lately more gambling than buying meteorite or earth rock that look like meteorite,we call those suspecious meteorite and many martian and lunar come from those, but to the fact that some old fall are in sales now for more than what they were when found this is also true; most of the nomade keep there stone because we can't pay the price they are asking, take care aziz h The question is will dealers pay more if they can't make any money on specimens? Seems like you can buy old falls for as much or less than the new stuff coming out of the Sahara. Unless it is something like lunar, martain or ultra rare material specimens. Best! --AL Mitterling - Original Message - From: habibi abdelaziz To: meteorite list Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2011 8:22 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Moroccan business meteorite is suffering hello all price are high very high, , there is no more meteorite found like old time; you want to have meteorite in sahara desert you have to pay more ; and more and more so simpley and so sadly ; the field are drying , so simple aziz h __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re : Re : Moroccan business meteorite is suffering
Carl, your analogy is so flawed it isn't worth debate. When profits dwindle it's time to find another business. Welcome to free trade and capitalism Aziz. Bill Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 19:43:16 -0400 From: cdtuc...@cox.net To: parkforest...@hotmail.com; azizhab...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re : Re : Moroccan business meteorite is suffering CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Bill, Aziz's worries are very real here. Yes, in an ideal world you are correct. But, Aziz and others make their living buying and selling meteorites. No. you cannot eat them but, the same can be said about oil and energy in general. These dealers are no better off than oil investors. When hedge funds or anyone else corners a market as they have. The market gets controlled by them and if you want to stay in business you have to pay the price. Remember these hedge funds types have a lot of money. They CAN afford to sit on the material until a willing buyer comes along. It is a lose , lose situation. Market manipulation is very real and until outlawed it will continue to put undue pressure on the smaller dealers like Aziz and others. They must either pay the asking price or go out of business. Very sad but true. So, Aziz must pay the price and hope he can convince others to pay his new and inflated asking price. In America the opposite is happening with meteorites. EBay has forced the prices down. So, if you make a living with eBay you must adjust . If you make a living with Nomads you must adjust. Carl -- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.” bill kies wrote: Exactly. When the seller demands more than the buyer is willing to pay, the seller either adjusts his prices or keeps his merchandise. Supply and demand is more applicable to necessities than extravagances. None of us can eat meteorites, well, most of us can't or won't. Extremely rare material is an exception I suppose. Bill Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 15:08:34 -0700 From: azizhab...@yahoo.com Subject: Re : [meteorite-list] Re : Moroccan business meteorite is suffering To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com CC: parkforest...@hotmail.com bill this is not a good theories, at all, offer and demand make the rules of prices in the market , there is an equation of equilibre between offer and demand , and also rarity, plusieurs facteurs sont responsable de l'equation des prix , offre demande , rarete , type luxe ou nessecite, besoin anssi de suite, a plus aziz h - Message d'origine De : bill kies À : azizhab...@yahoo.com Cc : meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Envoyé le : Dim 5 juin 2011, 23h 20min 38s Objet : RE: [meteorite-list] Re : Moroccan business meteorite is suffering That's how markets evolve. When suppliers realize the fact that their unrealistic prices aren't getting them anywhere, they'll loosen up. It's the same everywhere. Bill Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 07:34:29 -0700 From: azizhab...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com CC: alm...@kconline.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Re : Moroccan business meteorite is suffering al if the meteorite are intersting or unique or new unpaired material we pay a good price , we gamble this is the proper term in hope to find planetary meteorite: we are lately more gambling than buying meteorite or earth rock that look like meteorite,we call those suspecious meteorite and many martian and lunar come from those, but to the fact that some old fall are in sales now for more than what they were when found this is also true; most of the nomade keep there stone because we can't pay the price they are asking, take care aziz h The question is will dealers pay more if they can't make any money on specimens? Seems like you can buy old falls for as much or less than the new stuff coming out of the Sahara. Unless it is something like lunar, martain or ultra rare material specimens. Best! --AL Mitterling - Original Message - From: habibi abdelaziz To: meteorite list Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2011 8:22 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Moroccan business meteorite is suffering hello all price are high very high, , there is no more meteorite found like old time; you want to have meteorite in sahara desert you have to pay more ; and more and more so simpley and so sadly ; the field are drying , so simple aziz h
Re: [meteorite-list] Re : Re : Moroccan business meteorite is suffering
I've been saying it for years - buy low as possible, sell high. Go on open market, buy a $10 micromount. Cut that 1-inch square micro into 10 smaller squares and sell each square for $5. If you cannot afford a saw, whack the micro with a hammer and sell each piece for $5. Bingo, you have just quintupled your money before expenses and overhead. Do this on 50-100 micros a month and your rent is paid. Lather rinse repeat. There is so much profit potential in meteorites - even with the wholesale prices climbing. The key is adjusting one's business model. The old-school business model says to take that 1-inch square micro you bought for $10 and resell it (intact) to a single buyer for $20 or $25. That same business model also says to do it on eBay where now give almost 30% of your gross revenue to a multi-billion-dollar corporation. If people cling to that business model, they will watch their profits dwindle to the level they could make selling stamps, Pokemon cards, or anything other collectible. Embrace the Bessey Speck! ;) Best regards, MikeG On 6/5/11, bill kies parkforest...@hotmail.com wrote: Carl, your analogy is so flawed it isn't worth debate. When profits dwindle it's time to find another business. Welcome to free trade and capitalism Aziz. Bill Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 19:43:16 -0400 From: cdtuc...@cox.net To: parkforest...@hotmail.com; azizhab...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re : Re : Moroccan business meteorite is suffering CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Bill, Aziz's worries are very real here. Yes, in an ideal world you are correct. But, Aziz and others make their living buying and selling meteorites. No. you cannot eat them but, the same can be said about oil and energy in general. These dealers are no better off than oil investors. When hedge funds or anyone else corners a market as they have. The market gets controlled by them and if you want to stay in business you have to pay the price. Remember these hedge funds types have a lot of money. They CAN afford to sit on the material until a willing buyer comes along. It is a lose , lose situation. Market manipulation is very real and until outlawed it will continue to put undue pressure on the smaller dealers like Aziz and others. They must either pay the asking price or go out of business. Very sad but true. So, Aziz must pay the price and hope he can convince others to pay his new and inflated asking price. In America the opposite is happening with meteorites. EBay has forced the prices down. So, if you make a living with eBay you must adjust . If you make a living with Nomads you must adjust. Carl -- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.” bill kies wrote: Exactly. When the seller demands more than the buyer is willing to pay, the seller either adjusts his prices or keeps his merchandise. Supply and demand is more applicable to necessities than extravagances. None of us can eat meteorites, well, most of us can't or won't. Extremely rare material is an exception I suppose. Bill Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 15:08:34 -0700 From: azizhab...@yahoo.com Subject: Re : [meteorite-list] Re : Moroccan business meteorite is suffering To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com CC: parkforest...@hotmail.com bill this is not a good theories, at all, offer and demand make the rules of prices in the market , there is an equation of equilibre between offer and demand , and also rarity, plusieurs facteurs sont responsable de l'equation des prix , offre demande , rarete , type luxe ou nessecite, besoin anssi de suite, a plus aziz h - Message d'origine De : bill kies À : azizhab...@yahoo.com Cc : meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Envoyé le : Dim 5 juin 2011, 23h 20min 38s Objet : RE: [meteorite-list] Re : Moroccan business meteorite is suffering That's how markets evolve. When suppliers realize the fact that their unrealistic prices aren't getting them anywhere, they'll loosen up. It's the same everywhere. Bill Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 07:34:29 -0700 From: azizhab...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com CC: alm...@kconline.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Re : Moroccan business meteorite is suffering al if the meteorite are intersting or unique or new unpaired material we pay a good price , we gamble this is the proper term in hope to find planetary meteorite: we are lately more gambling than buying meteorite or earth rock that look like meteorite,we call those suspecious meteorite and many martian and lunar come from those, but to the fact
Re: [meteorite-list] Re : Re : Moroccan business meteorite is suffering
Hi All, Gentlemen and Ladies...I doubt that the increase in price American and European dealers are being asked to pay has anything to do with the nomads developing a heightened sense of value, or an increased skill in bargainingor a paucity of meteorites. I believe what has happened to cause the increase in price and the lack of availabilty in your dealings with North West African wholesalers is that they have discovered that they can market directly to retail buyers all over the world with a stroke of a finger.. The Internet makes it easy and cheap for them to find collectors and sell retail. The result is that they no longer need to sell material, especially choice items, at wholesale to you retail dealers. As all who know me are aware, I am a collector/buyer and have never sold a meteorite. I hadn't bought my first half dozen meteorites online before I was contacted directly by wholesale dealers out of Africa wishing to sell me specimens. I received several offers in the past couple of days.. Folks, The wholesalers have become retailers by just cutting out you, the middlemen. The nomads are, and have always been, the real wholesalers. The Moroccon's just took awhile to smarten up and learn to use the technology. Best to all, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- From: bill kies parkforest...@hotmail.com Sent: Jun 5, 2011 5:13 PM To: cdtuc...@cox.net Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re : Re : Moroccan business meteorite is suffering Carl, your analogy is so flawed it isn't worth debate. When profits dwindle it's time to find another business. Welcome to free trade and capitalism Aziz. Bill Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 19:43:16 -0400 From: cdtuc...@cox.net To: parkforest...@hotmail.com; azizhab...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re : Re : Moroccan business meteorite is suffering CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Bill, Aziz's worries are very real here. Yes, in an ideal world you are correct. But, Aziz and others make their living buying and selling meteorites. No. you cannot eat them but, the same can be said about oil and energy in general. These dealers are no better off than oil investors. When hedge funds or anyone else corners a market as they have. The market gets controlled by them and if you want to stay in business you have to pay the price. Remember these hedge funds types have a lot of money. They CAN afford to sit on the material until a willing buyer comes along. It is a lose , lose situation. Market manipulation is very real and until outlawed it will continue to put undue pressure on the smaller dealers like Aziz and others. They must either pay the asking price or go out of business. Very sad but true. So, Aziz must pay the price and hope he can convince others to pay his new and inflated asking price. In America the opposite is happening with meteorites. EBay has forced the prices down. So, if you make a living with eBay you must adjust . If you make a living with Nomads you must adjust. Carl -- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.” bill kies wrote: Exactly. When the seller demands more than the buyer is willing to pay, the seller either adjusts his prices or keeps his merchandise. Supply and demand is more applicable to necessities than extravagances. None of us can eat meteorites, well, most of us can't or won't. Extremely rare material is an exception I suppose. Bill Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 15:08:34 -0700 From: azizhab...@yahoo.com Subject: Re : [meteorite-list] Re : Moroccan business meteorite is suffering To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com CC: parkforest...@hotmail.com bill this is not a good theories, at all, offer and demand make the rules of prices in the market , there is an equation of equilibre between offer and demand , and also rarity, plusieurs facteurs sont responsable de l'equation des prix , offre demande , rarete , type luxe ou nessecite, besoin anssi de suite, a plus aziz h - Message d'origine De : bill kies À : azizhab...@yahoo.com Cc : meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Envoyé le : Dim 5 juin 2011, 23h 20min 38s Objet : RE: [meteorite-list] Re : Moroccan business meteorite is suffering That's how markets evolve. When suppliers realize the fact that their unrealistic prices aren't getting them anywhere, they'll loosen up. It's the same everywhere. Bill Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 07:34:29 -0700 From: azizhab...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com CC: alm...@kconline.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Re : Moroccan business
Re: [meteorite-list] Re : Re : Moroccan business meteorite issuffering
Hi List, Aside from finding meteorites, the BEST way to aquire them (same goes for gold)...I realized as late as five years ago that the best, rare and quality specimens don't come from eBay [For a number of years, way back, eBay was the only place I knew of them for sale. Then I slowly added web-sites from all of you.] While a free market is an essential, knowledge is THE driving force! My best to all, Richard Montgoemry - Original Message - From: Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com To: bill kies parkforest...@hotmail.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2011 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re : Re : Moroccan business meteorite issuffering I've been saying it for years - buy low as possible, sell high. Go on open market, buy a $10 micromount. Cut that 1-inch square micro into 10 smaller squares and sell each square for $5. If you cannot afford a saw, whack the micro with a hammer and sell each piece for $5. Bingo, you have just quintupled your money before expenses and overhead. Do this on 50-100 micros a month and your rent is paid. Lather rinse repeat. There is so much profit potential in meteorites - even with the wholesale prices climbing. The key is adjusting one's business model. The old-school business model says to take that 1-inch square micro you bought for $10 and resell it (intact) to a single buyer for $20 or $25. That same business model also says to do it on eBay where now give almost 30% of your gross revenue to a multi-billion-dollar corporation. If people cling to that business model, they will watch their profits dwindle to the level they could make selling stamps, Pokemon cards, or anything other collectible. Embrace the Bessey Speck! ;) Best regards, MikeG On 6/5/11, bill kies parkforest...@hotmail.com wrote: Carl, your analogy is so flawed it isn't worth debate. When profits dwindle it's time to find another business. Welcome to free trade and capitalism Aziz. Bill Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 19:43:16 -0400 From: cdtuc...@cox.net To: parkforest...@hotmail.com; azizhab...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re : Re : Moroccan business meteorite is suffering CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Bill, Aziz's worries are very real here. Yes, in an ideal world you are correct. But, Aziz and others make their living buying and selling meteorites. No. you cannot eat them but, the same can be said about oil and energy in general. These dealers are no better off than oil investors. When hedge funds or anyone else corners a market as they have. The market gets controlled by them and if you want to stay in business you have to pay the price. Remember these hedge funds types have a lot of money. They CAN afford to sit on the material until a willing buyer comes along. It is a lose , lose situation. Market manipulation is very real and until outlawed it will continue to put undue pressure on the smaller dealers like Aziz and others. They must either pay the asking price or go out of business. Very sad but true. So, Aziz must pay the price and hope he can convince others to pay his new and inflated asking price. In America the opposite is happening with meteorites. EBay has forced the prices down. So, if you make a living with eBay you must adjust . If you make a living with Nomads you must adjust. Carl -- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.” bill kies wrote: Exactly. When the seller demands more than the buyer is willing to pay, the seller either adjusts his prices or keeps his merchandise. Supply and demand is more applicable to necessities than extravagances. None of us can eat meteorites, well, most of us can't or won't. Extremely rare material is an exception I suppose. Bill Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 15:08:34 -0700 From: azizhab...@yahoo.com Subject: Re : [meteorite-list] Re : Moroccan business meteorite is suffering To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com CC: parkforest...@hotmail.com bill this is not a good theories, at all, offer and demand make the rules of prices in the market , there is an equation of equilibre between offer and demand , and also rarity, plusieurs facteurs sont responsable de l'equation des prix , offre demande , rarete , type luxe ou nessecite, besoin anssi de suite, a plus aziz h - Message d'origine De : bill kies À : azizhab...@yahoo.com Cc : meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Envoyé le : Dim 5 juin 2011, 23h 20min 38s Objet : RE: [meteorite-list] Re : Moroccan business meteorite is suffering That's how markets evolve. When suppliers realize the fact that their unrealistic prices aren't getting them anywhere, they'll loosen up. It's the same everywhere. Bill
Re: [meteorite-list] Re : Re : Moroccan business meteorite is suffering
This is not entirely true. First of all retail sales from Morocco to the US or European markets do not make sense for most collectors who only look to buy one stone from a particular fall or find. Because Morocco has no paypal or easy method of funds transfer, a buyer must either wire funds from one's bank to the seller's bank or use Western Union - both incur high fees that drive the cost of the single item purchase substantially higher. Add to that the fact that Chronopost is not dependable or secure, meteorites are usually shipped by Fedex or UPS courier service, again at a premium price, which drives the up end cost of the meteorite. Its only viable if buying in bulk quantities. So, I do not believe direct marketing of meteorites from Moroccan dealers to retail buyers (collectors) are a primary cause of increased prices that we are seeing in the marketplace. gary (sorry if this gets posted more than once, third time I'm trying to get this posted) On Jun 5, 2011, at 2:55 PM, Count Deiro wrote: Hi All, Gentlemen and Ladies...I doubt that the increase in price American and European dealers are being asked to pay has anything to do with the nomads developing a heightened sense of value, or an increased skill in bargainingor a paucity of meteorites. I believe what has happened to cause the increase in price and the lack of availabilty in your dealings with North West African wholesalers is that they have discovered that they can market directly to retail buyers all over the world with a stroke of a finger.. The Internet makes it easy and cheap for them to find collectors and sell retail. The result is that they no longer need to sell material, especially choice items, at wholesale to you retail dealers. As all who know me are aware, I am a collector/buyer and have never sold a meteorite. I hadn't bought my first half dozen meteorites online before I was contacted directly by wholesale dealers out of Africa wishing to sell me specimens. I received several offers in the past couple of days.. Folks, The wholesalers have become retailers by just cutting out you, the middlemen. The nomads are, and have always been, the real wholesalers. The Moroccon's just took awhile to smarten up and learn to use the technology. Best to all, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- From: bill kies parkforest...@hotmail.com Sent: Jun 5, 2011 5:13 PM To: cdtuc...@cox.net Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re : Re : Moroccan business meteorite is suffering Carl, your analogy is so flawed it isn't worth debate. When profits dwindle it's time to find another business. Welcome to free trade and capitalism Aziz. Bill Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 19:43:16 -0400 From: cdtuc...@cox.net To: parkforest...@hotmail.com; azizhab...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re : Re : Moroccan business meteorite is suffering CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Bill, Aziz's worries are very real here. Yes, in an ideal world you are correct. But, Aziz and others make their living buying and selling meteorites. No. you cannot eat them but, the same can be said about oil and energy in general. These dealers are no better off than oil investors. When hedge funds or anyone else corners a market as they have. The market gets controlled by them and if you want to stay in business you have to pay the price. Remember these hedge funds types have a lot of money. They CAN afford to sit on the material until a willing buyer comes along. It is a lose , lose situation. Market manipulation is very real and until outlawed it will continue to put undue pressure on the smaller dealers like Aziz and others. They must either pay the asking price or go out of business. Very sad but true. So, Aziz must pay the price and hope he can convince others to pay his new and inflated asking price. In America the opposite is happening with meteorites. EBay has forced the prices down. So, if you make a living with eBay you must adjust . If you make a living with Nomads you must adjust. Carl -- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.” bill kies wrote: Exactly. When the seller demands more than the buyer is willing to pay, the seller either adjusts his prices or keeps his merchandise. Supply and demand is more applicable to necessities than extravagances. None of us can eat meteorites, well, most of us can't or won't. Extremely rare material is an exception I suppose. Bill Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 15:08:34 -0700 From: azizhab...@yahoo.com Subject: Re : [meteorite-list] Re : Moroccan business meteorite is suffering To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com CC: parkforest...@hotmail.com bill this
Re: [meteorite-list] Re : Re : Moroccan business meteorite is suffering
I see Bessey specks this way - almost any speck or crumb of a classified meteorite is not going to hurt science because science already has the 20/20 type sample. Depending on the size of the type sample, that can be enough to last indefinitely for study. For the larger type samples (20g or 40g for a generous main mass holder like NWA 5000), you can make a ton of thin sections with that much material. You can also run a lot of destructive analysis with 20-40g of material on deposit. On the other hand, take NWA 6696 for example. That is my little LL3.6 that was classified at UCLA. The TKW is only 10g and UCLA received 8g of that. I retained 2g. I traded one 1g slice to a friend. I kept a 1g slice which I still have. I could turn that 1g slice into 100+ Bessey specks and make a tidy sum from the sales, I would never do it because on the off chance that something unexpected is found in that meteorite, I want the available material to be of use to science. If science demanded it, I would gladly surrender my last gram of it. So, not every specimen I obtain is destined for the saw or hammer. It depends on the rarity, scientific interest, and historical value (if any) of the piece. Best regards, MikeG - Galactic Stone Ironworks - Meteorites Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/pages/Galactic-Stone-Ironworks/218849894809686 News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - On 6/5/11, Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com wrote: But that there is the very dangerous and terrible downside to meteorite selling. Eventually most will be crumbs and sub gram samples that offer little to no scientific value. So many forget that while this is a hobby for some, scientists and researchers have made careers out of studying these wonderful rocks from space. Its not always about the dollar and thats the one ingredient of the Meteorite men that is so troubling. I know if there is no money values viewers may not tune in, but its more like a cash for treasures show then a science show with so much $$ flashing around after every find. (not a jab at the show, I think its great to draw in new collectors) Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites --- On Sun, 6/5/11, Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: From: Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re : Re : Moroccan business meteorite is suffering To: bill kies parkforest...@hotmail.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sunday, June 5, 2011, 8:46 PM I've been saying it for years - buy low as possible, sell high. Go on open market, buy a $10 micromount. Cut that 1-inch square micro into 10 smaller squares and sell each square for $5. If you cannot afford a saw, whack the micro with a hammer and sell each piece for $5. Bingo, you have just quintupled your money before expenses and overhead. Do this on 50-100 micros a month and your rent is paid. Lather rinse repeat. There is so much profit potential in meteorites - even with the wholesale prices climbing. The key is adjusting one's business model. The old-school business model says to take that 1-inch square micro you bought for $10 and resell it (intact) to a single buyer for $20 or $25. That same business model also says to do it on eBay where now give almost 30% of your gross revenue to a multi-billion-dollar corporation. If people cling to that business model, they will watch their profits dwindle to the level they could make selling stamps, Pokemon cards, or anything other collectible. Embrace the Bessey Speck! ;) Best regards, MikeG On 6/5/11, bill kies parkforest...@hotmail.com wrote: Carl, your analogy is so flawed it isn't worth debate. When profits dwindle it's time to find another business. Welcome to free trade and capitalism Aziz. Bill Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 19:43:16 -0400 From: cdtuc...@cox.net To: parkforest...@hotmail.com; azizhab...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re : Re : Moroccan business meteorite is suffering CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Bill, Aziz's worries are very real here. Yes, in an ideal world you are correct. But, Aziz and others make their living buying and selling meteorites. No. you cannot eat them but, the same can be said about oil and energy in general. These dealers are no better off than oil investors. When hedge funds or anyone else corners a market as
[meteorite-list] volunteers needed for web search MeteorRATs
Dear List, I am seeking volunteers for web search and compilation for MeteorRATs (Meteorite Rapid Action Teams). If anyone has time for a 30min to 1hour task and will carry through with the task please contact me offlist. Needed ASAP for Ill and WV and future meteor events Thank you. Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Moroccan business meteorite is suffering
Why would they have USPS in Morocco? They don't have it in any other country in the world either. That is why is is the united states postal service.. Michael Farmer Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Jun 5, 2011, at 12:07 PM, Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: The only thing that keeps me from buying directly from Morocco is the lack of PayPal and USPS there. The majority of my purchases are under $100, and by the time you include the fee for wiring a payment and FedEx's inflated shipping charges, it's just not cost effective for me to purchase directly from the source. If PayPal and USPS started serving Morocco, I'd start buying. Best regards, MikeG On 6/5/11, al mitt alm...@kconline.com wrote: Hi Habibi, The question is will dealers pay more if they can't make any money on specimens? Seems like you can buy old falls for as much or less than the new stuff coming out of the Sahara. Unless it is something like lunar, martain or ultra rare material specimens. Best! --AL Mitterling - Original Message - From: habibi abdelaziz azizhab...@yahoo.com To: meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2011 8:22 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Moroccan business meteorite is suffering hello all price are high very high, , there is no more meteorite found like old time; you want to have meteorite in sahara desert you have to pay more ; and more and more so simpley and so sadly ; the field are drying , so simple aziz h __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- - Galactic Stone Ironworks - Meteorites Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/pages/Galactic-Stone-Ironworks/218849894809686 News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re : Re : Moroccan business meteorite is suffering
But that there is the very dangerous and terrible downside to meteorite selling. Eventually most will be crumbs and sub gram samples that offer little to no scientific value. So many forget that while this is a hobby for some, scientists and researchers have made careers out of studying these wonderful rocks from space. Its not always about the dollar and thats the one ingredient of the Meteorite men that is so troubling. I know if there is no money values viewers may not tune in, but its more like a cash for treasures show then a science show with so much $$ flashing around after every find. (not a jab at the show, I think its great to draw in new collectors) Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites --- On Sun, 6/5/11, Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: From: Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re : Re : Moroccan business meteorite is suffering To: bill kies parkforest...@hotmail.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sunday, June 5, 2011, 8:46 PM I've been saying it for years - buy low as possible, sell high. Go on open market, buy a $10 micromount. Cut that 1-inch square micro into 10 smaller squares and sell each square for $5. If you cannot afford a saw, whack the micro with a hammer and sell each piece for $5. Bingo, you have just quintupled your money before expenses and overhead. Do this on 50-100 micros a month and your rent is paid. Lather rinse repeat. There is so much profit potential in meteorites - even with the wholesale prices climbing. The key is adjusting one's business model. The old-school business model says to take that 1-inch square micro you bought for $10 and resell it (intact) to a single buyer for $20 or $25. That same business model also says to do it on eBay where now give almost 30% of your gross revenue to a multi-billion-dollar corporation. If people cling to that business model, they will watch their profits dwindle to the level they could make selling stamps, Pokemon cards, or anything other collectible. Embrace the Bessey Speck! ;) Best regards, MikeG On 6/5/11, bill kies parkforest...@hotmail.com wrote: Carl, your analogy is so flawed it isn't worth debate. When profits dwindle it's time to find another business. Welcome to free trade and capitalism Aziz. Bill Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 19:43:16 -0400 From: cdtuc...@cox.net To: parkforest...@hotmail.com; azizhab...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re : Re : Moroccan business meteorite is suffering CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Bill, Aziz's worries are very real here. Yes, in an ideal world you are correct. But, Aziz and others make their living buying and selling meteorites. No. you cannot eat them but, the same can be said about oil and energy in general. These dealers are no better off than oil investors. When hedge funds or anyone else corners a market as they have. The market gets controlled by them and if you want to stay in business you have to pay the price. Remember these hedge funds types have a lot of money. They CAN afford to sit on the material until a willing buyer comes along. It is a lose , lose situation. Market manipulation is very real and until outlawed it will continue to put undue pressure on the smaller dealers like Aziz and others. They must either pay the asking price or go out of business. Very sad but true. So, Aziz must pay the price and hope he can convince others to pay his new and inflated asking price. In America the opposite is happening with meteorites. EBay has forced the prices down. So, if you make a living with eBay you must adjust . If you make a living with Nomads you must adjust. Carl -- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.” bill kies wrote: Exactly. When the seller demands more than the buyer is willing to pay, the seller either adjusts his prices or keeps his merchandise. Supply and demand is more applicable to necessities than extravagances. None of us can eat meteorites, well, most of us can't or won't. Extremely rare material is an exception I suppose. Bill Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 15:08:34 -0700 From: azizhab...@yahoo.com Subject: Re : [meteorite-list] Re : Moroccan business meteorite is suffering To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com CC: parkforest...@hotmail.com bill this is not a good theories, at all, offer and demand make the rules of prices in the market , there is an equation of equilibre between offer
Re: [meteorite-list] Re : Re : Moroccan business meteorite is suffering
Bill, Aziz's worries are very real here. Yes, in an ideal world you are correct. But, Aziz and others make their living buying and selling meteorites. No. you cannot eat them but, the same can be said about oil and energy in general. These dealers are no better off than oil investors. When hedge funds or anyone else corners a market as they have. The market gets controlled by them and if you want to stay in business you have to pay the price. Remember these hedge funds types have a lot of money. They CAN afford to sit on the material until a willing buyer comes along. It is a lose , lose situation. Market manipulation is very real and until outlawed it will continue to put undue pressure on the smaller dealers like Aziz and others. They must either pay the asking price or go out of business. Very sad but true. So, Aziz must pay the price and hope he can convince others to pay his new and inflated asking price. In America the opposite is happening with meteorites. EBay has forced the prices down. So, if you make a living with eBay you must adjust . If you make a living with Nomads you must adjust. Carl -- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. bill kies parkforest...@hotmail.com wrote: Exactly. When the seller demands more than the buyer is willing to pay, the seller either adjusts his prices or keeps his merchandise. Supply and demand is more applicable to necessities than extravagances. None of us can eat meteorites, well, most of us can't or won't. Extremely rare material is an exception I suppose. Bill Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 15:08:34 -0700 From: azizhab...@yahoo.com Subject: Re : [meteorite-list] Re : Moroccan business meteorite is suffering To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com CC: parkforest...@hotmail.com bill this is not a good theories, at all, offer and demand make the rules of prices in the market , there is an equation of equilibre between offer and demand , and also rarity, plusieurs facteurs sont responsable de l'equation des prix , offre demande , rarete , type luxe ou nessecite, besoin anssi de suite, a plus aziz h - Message d'origine De : bill kies À : azizhab...@yahoo.com Cc : meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Envoyé le : Dim 5 juin 2011, 23h 20min 38s Objet : RE: [meteorite-list] Re : Moroccan business meteorite is suffering That's how markets evolve. When suppliers realize the fact that their unrealistic prices aren't getting them anywhere, they'll loosen up. It's the same everywhere. Bill Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 07:34:29 -0700 From: azizhab...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com CC: alm...@kconline.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Re : Moroccan business meteorite is suffering al if the meteorite are intersting or unique or new unpaired material we pay a good price , we gamble this is the proper term in hope to find planetary meteorite: we are lately more gambling than buying meteorite or earth rock that look like meteorite,we call those suspecious meteorite and many martian and lunar come from those, but to the fact that some old fall are in sales now for more than what they were when found this is also true; most of the nomade keep there stone because we can't pay the price they are asking, take care aziz h The question is will dealers pay more if they can't make any money on specimens? Seems like you can buy old falls for as much or less than the new stuff coming out of the Sahara. Unless it is something like lunar, martain or ultra rare material specimens. Best! --AL Mitterling - Original Message - From: habibi abdelaziz To: meteorite list Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2011 8:22 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Moroccan business meteorite is suffering hello all price are high very high, , there is no more meteorite found like old time; you want to have meteorite in sahara desert you have to pay more ; and more and more so simpley and so sadly ; the field are drying , so simple aziz h __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NEOs Mitigation and National Academy of Science Free PDF Book Downloads
Dear List Members, The NAS has announced that they will provide free .pdf books for some 4000 titles: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/06/05/nas-makes-4000-science-books-free-for-download/ National Academies Press (NAP) Link: Bookmark this. The NAP website with available books … http://www.nap.edu/ NEOs Mitigation Book: Defending Planet Earth:Near-Earth Object Surveys and Hazard Mitigation Strategies The United States spends approximately $4 million each year searching for near-Earth objects (NEOs). The objective is to detect those that may collide with Earth. The majority of this funding supports the operation of several observatories that scan the sky ... http://books.nap.edu/catalog.php?record_id=12842 .PDF Free! Take a look. Many books on astronomy related topics Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re : Re : Moroccan business meteorite is suffering
This is not entirely true. First of all retail sales from Morocco to the US or European markets do not make sense for most collectors who only look to buy one stone from a particular fall or find. Because Morocco has no paypal or easy method of funds transfer, a buyer must either wire funds from one's bank to the seller's bank or use Western Union - both incur high fees that drive the cost of the single item purchase substantially higher. Add to that the fact that Chronopost is not dependable or secure, meteorites are usually shipped by Fedex or UPS courier service, again at a premium price, which drives the up end cost of the meteorite. Its only viable if buying in bulk quantities. So, I do not believe direct marketing of meteorites from Moroccan dealers to retail buyers (collectors) are a primary cause of increased prices that we are seeing in the marketplace. gary On Jun 5, 2011, at 2:55 PM, Count Deiro wrote: Hi All, Gentlemen and Ladies...I doubt that the increase in price American and European dealers are being asked to pay has anything to do with the nomads developing a heightened sense of value, or an increased skill in bargainingor a paucity of meteorites. I believe what has happened to cause the increase in price and the lack of availabilty in your dealings with North West African wholesalers is that they have discovered that they can market directly to retail buyers all over the world with a stroke of a finger.. The Internet makes it easy and cheap for them to find collectors and sell retail. The result is that they no longer need to sell material, especially choice items, at wholesale to you retail dealers. As all who know me are aware, I am a collector/buyer and have never sold a meteorite. I hadn't bought my first half dozen meteorites online before I was contacted directly by wholesale dealers out of Africa wishing to sell me specimens. I received several offers in the past couple of days.. Folks, The wholesalers have become retailers by just cutting out you, the middlemen. The nomads are, and have always been, the real wholesalers. The Moroccon's just took awhile to smarten up and learn to use the technology. Best to all, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- From: bill kies parkforest...@hotmail.com Sent: Jun 5, 2011 5:13 PM To: cdtuc...@cox.net Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re : Re : Moroccan business meteorite is suffering Carl, your analogy is so flawed it isn't worth debate. When profits dwindle it's time to find another business. Welcome to free trade and capitalism Aziz. Bill Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 19:43:16 -0400 From: cdtuc...@cox.net To: parkforest...@hotmail.com; azizhab...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re : Re : Moroccan business meteorite is suffering CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Bill, Aziz's worries are very real here. Yes, in an ideal world you are correct. But, Aziz and others make their living buying and selling meteorites. No. you cannot eat them but, the same can be said about oil and energy in general. These dealers are no better off than oil investors. When hedge funds or anyone else corners a market as they have. The market gets controlled by them and if you want to stay in business you have to pay the price. Remember these hedge funds types have a lot of money. They CAN afford to sit on the material until a willing buyer comes along. It is a lose , lose situation. Market manipulation is very real and until outlawed it will continue to put undue pressure on the smaller dealers like Aziz and others. They must either pay the asking price or go out of business. Very sad but true. So, Aziz must pay the price and hope he can convince others to pay his new and inflated asking price. In America the opposite is happening with meteorites. EBay has forced the prices down. So, if you make a living with eBay you must adjust . If you make a living with Nomads you must adjust. Carl -- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.” bill kies wrote: Exactly. When the seller demands more than the buyer is willing to pay, the seller either adjusts his prices or keeps his merchandise. Supply and demand is more applicable to necessities than extravagances. None of us can eat meteorites, well, most of us can't or won't. Extremely rare material is an exception I suppose. Bill Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 15:08:34 -0700 From: azizhab...@yahoo.com Subject: Re : [meteorite-list] Re : Moroccan business meteorite is suffering To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com CC: parkforest...@hotmail.com bill this is not a good theories, at all, offer and demand make the rules of prices in the
[meteorite-list] Re : Re : Moroccan business meteorite is suffering
This is not entirely true. First of all retail sales from Morocco to the US or European markets do not make sense for most collectors who only look to buy one stone from a particular fall or find. Because Morocco has no paypal or easy method of funds transfer, a buyer must either wire funds from one's bank to the seller's bank or use Western Union - both incur high fees that drive the cost of the single item purchase substantially higher. Add to that the fact that Chronopost is not dependable or secure, meteorites are usually shipped by Fedex or UPS courier service, again at a premium price, which drives the up end cost of the meteorite. Its only viable if buying in bulk quantities. So, I do not believe direct marketing of meteorites from Moroccan dealers to retail buyers (collectors) are a primary cause of increased prices that we are seeing in the marketplace. gary On Jun 5, 2011, at 2:55 PM, Count Deiro wrote: Hi All, Gentlemen and Ladies...I doubt that the increase in price American and European dealers are being asked to pay has anything to do with the nomads developing a heightened sense of value, or an increased skill in bargainingor a paucity of meteorites. I believe what has happened to cause the increase in price and the lack of availabilty in your dealings with North West African wholesalers is that they have discovered that they can market directly to retail buyers all over the world with a stroke of a finger.. The Internet makes it easy and cheap for them to find collectors and sell retail. The result is that they no longer need to sell material, especially choice items, at wholesale to you retail dealers. As all who know me are aware, I am a collector/buyer and have never sold a meteorite. I hadn't bought my first half dozen meteorites online before I was contacted directly by wholesale dealers out of Africa wishing to sell me specimens. I received several offers in the past couple of days.. Folks, The wholesalers have become retailers by just cutting out you, the middlemen. The nomads are, and have always been, the real wholesalers. The Moroccon's just took awhile to smarten up and learn to use the technology. Best to all, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- From: bill kies parkforest...@hotmail.com Sent: Jun 5, 2011 5:13 PM To: cdtuc...@cox.net Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re : Re : Moroccan business meteorite is suffering Carl, your analogy is so flawed it isn't worth debate. When profits dwindle it's time to find another business. Welcome to free trade and capitalism Aziz. Bill Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 19:43:16 -0400 From: cdtuc...@cox.net To: parkforest...@hotmail.com; azizhab...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re : Re : Moroccan business meteorite is suffering CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Bill, Aziz's worries are very real here. Yes, in an ideal world you are correct. But, Aziz and others make their living buying and selling meteorites. No. you cannot eat them but, the same can be said about oil and energy in general. These dealers are no better off than oil investors. When hedge funds or anyone else corners a market as they have. The market gets controlled by them and if you want to stay in business you have to pay the price. Remember these hedge funds types have a lot of money. They CAN afford to sit on the material until a willing buyer comes along. It is a lose , lose situation. Market manipulation is very real and until outlawed it will continue to put undue pressure on the smaller dealers like Aziz and others. They must either pay the asking price or go out of business. Very sad but true. So, Aziz must pay the price and hope he can convince others to pay his new and inflated asking price. In America the opposite is happening with meteorites. EBay has forced the prices down. So, if you make a living with eBay you must adjust . If you make a living with Nomads you must adjust. Carl -- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.” bill kies wrote: Exactly. When the seller demands more than the buyer is willing to pay, the seller either adjusts his prices or keeps his merchandise. Supply and demand is more applicable to necessities than extravagances. None of us can eat meteorites, well, most of us can't or won't. Extremely rare material is an exception I suppose. Bill Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 15:08:34 -0700 From: azizhab...@yahoo.com Subject: Re : [meteorite-list] Re : Moroccan business meteorite is suffering To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com CC: parkforest...@hotmail.com bill this is not a good theories, at all, offer and demand make the rules of prices in the
[meteorite-list] Small Mass of Mars Could be Due to Planetary Orbital Migration
Small Mass of Mars Could be Due to Planetary Orbital Migration Planetary Science Institute June 5, 2011 A long-ago inward migration by Jupiter during the formation of our Solar System could explain why Mars is small in relation to Earth and Venus, according to a paper published in Nature. Researchers have long sought to explain the small mass of Mars, which has remained an outstanding problem in terrestrial planet formation, said David P. O'Brien, a Research Scientist at the Planetary Science Institute and co-author of A low mass for Mars from Jupiter's early gas-driven migration that appears in Nature. This work not only solves a difficult problem in Solar System formation, O'Brien said, it shows that the solution lies in the giant planets of our Solar System undergoing significant early migration, which was generally thought to only have occurred in extrasolar planetary systems. Simulations of the formation process of the four inner planets in the Solar System - Mercury, Venus, Earth and Mars - generally produced a version of Mars far more massive than the real planet. We tried a large variety of simulation parameters to solve this problem, but nothing seemed to work, O'Brien said. A 2009 paper by Brad Hansen from UCLA offered a new clue: Hansen showed that if the initial distribution of solid material in the solar system was assumed to have an outer boundary at 1 Astronomical Unit (1 AU being the current distance from the sun to Earth), a smaller Mars could form. The presence of a sharp outer boundary at 1 AU required in Hansen's work was hard to explain, given the existence of the asteroid belt between 2 and 4 AU, the giant planets between 5 and 30 AU and the Kuiper Belt beyond that. However, it has been shown in numerical simulations over the past decade that Jupiter and Saturn could migrate in the early Solar System when gas was still present, and in some cases could move inwards and then back outwards to roughly their current locations. Rapidly the pieces of the story came together, said Kevin J. Walsh, lead author of the paper who began work on the project at the Observatoire de la Cote d'Azur in Nice, France and is now at the Southwest Research Institute in Bounder, CO. If Jupiter had moved inwards from its birth place down to 1.5 AU from the sun and then had turned around because of the formation of Saturn, eventually migrating outwards towards its current location, it would have truncated the distribution of solids in the inner Solar System at about 1 AU, as required to explain the small mass of Mars. Jupiter now orbits the sun at 5.2 AU. The problem was to understand whether the inward and outward migration of Jupiter through the 2-4 AU region could be compatible with the existence of the asteroid belt today, Walsh said. So we started to do a huge number of simulations. The asteroid belt, which was a priori our main problem, turned out to be the main strength of our model, said O'Brien. The result was fantastic, Walsh said. The simulations showed that the migration of Jupiter was consistent with the existence of the asteroid belt, but it also explained properties of the belt never understood before. The passage of Jupiter depleted then re-populated the asteroid belt region, with inner-belt bodies originating between 1 and 3 AU and outer belt bodies originating in a very distinct region between and beyond the giant planets, naturally producing the significant compositional differences existing today across the belt. The model was called the Grand Tack Scenario with Jupiter's motion similar to a sailboat tacking around a buoy. Other authors are Alessandro Morbidelli (Observatoire de la Cote d'Azur, France), Sean N. Raymond (Observatoire de Bordeaux, France) and Avi M. Mandell (NASA Goddard). O'Brien's work was funded by a grant to PSI from NASA's Planetary Geology and Geophysics research program. CONTACT: David P. O'Brien Research Scientist 520-547-3977 obr...@psi.edu __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] San Juan Capistrano
Hello Marc, Jim, All, SJC fell in a trailer park next to I-5, where the occupants were probably used to loud rumbling noises and didn't pay it much mind. And the rolling grassy hills are exactly what is under development - 172 acres of it. Peter, my father, has thoroughly researched the fall. Jack Scurlock (the man whose mobile home was hit) likely would never have noticed or reported the meteorite on his own. His neighbor, George Stinchcombe, heard a loud noise in the night (presumably, the meteorite striking Scurlock's awning), and made a point of mentioning it to his neighbor the next morning. The pair of them noticed the hole and the black stone on the ground. The notion that the stone might be a meteorite was suggested by Stinchcombe, so it seems that a loud noise likely led to the stone's recovery in the first place. As to whether or not the freeway could have disguised any sonic booms, I cannot say. A few days ago, when I paid the site a second visit with my father, the construction at the adjacent Costco was all I could hear. I did notice that the freeway was significantly elevated with regards to the mobile home park, limiting the amount of noise it created. I live in the middle of Los Angeles not far from a few major roads, and I do hear constant noise in the form of traffic and typical city chaos. A sonic boom would be very noticeable and out of the ordinary. I'm fully willing to admit that the fact that the fall doesn't seem to have been accompanied by sonic effects does not rule out the possibility that more than one stone fell; we seem to be arguing different points. You're saying that more than one stone may have fallen, and I'm saying that without observed sonic or visual effects, it seems unlikely that much more fell. I think we're sort of agreeing...except you think it's worthwhile to hunt there, and I'd prefer more promising pastures. There's no guarantee that there are more SJC meteorites to be found, but if guarantees are what you're looking for then you've got the wrong hobby! The area to be developed is brushland that abuts the trailer park, and if anyone does want to find more SJC then its really the only option as everything else is paved. Please don't try to educate me about hunting for meteorites. I've spent many a day without success in the field, and have also recovered my fair share of finds and falls. The mobile home park in question lies in a flat-bottomed coastal valley overlooked by housing developments, but there are thousands of acres of unprotected scrub-land that is neither fenced nor posted on either side of the valley. I understand your concern; you're losing 172 acres of hunting ground. I just fail to see why you're making a point of complaining when there are still thousands of acres within a mile of the known stone's recovery that are hunt-able. The development could be a blessing, if only the gomers in charge would give me the courtesy of returning my calls. They'll have to remove brush and disturb the soil, which would be a nice target for some metal detecting. The open land in the region is, as you note, very brushy. We opted to spend the next few days on the lake-beds instead of in SJC, because it honestly looked like a waste of time. If the fall had happened yesterday, I'd be fliering and hunting everywhere possible. Forty years after the fact, when 80% of the find-site's surroundings have been graded and resurfaced...eh. Maybe if the hills weren't covered in thick brush. If you're trying to say that you think it would be nice for the company to let you onto their land after they've removed the surface/brush, I think you've missed a few things. I've spoken at length with employees at a few consulting firms about their jobs, and safety and liability are top on their lists of concerns for employees and anyone on active sites. In order to let you anywhere near an active construction site, you would need to have paperwork filled out, all on-site employees notified, liability waivers signed, etc -- it's more trouble for them than you seem to realize. Anyways; it's out there if anyone is interested. My own Plan B is to contact individual homeowners in the new development, show them some meteorites, and tell them to keep an eye out. Best of luck with that - if nothing else, some more people will have a better understanding of their place in the universe, and that's always a worthwhile endeavor. Regards, Jason On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 5:31 AM, Jim Wooddell jimwoodd...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Jason! I just had to comment When I hunt Franconia, I always wonder what could have been found where the train track, the freeway, and the housing development are now located!! One of my larger stones was found 75 yards from the freeway pavement and it's prime hunting area! I think Ruben found a 5 pound stone in the same area. In another area, prime for hunting, some yahoo took a tractor and it looks like they plowed
[meteorite-list] Ad: Price Slash - Entire collection plus Detector etc..$2500.00
Hi all, Please forgive me for posting two ads in one week. However, my friend must sell this collection - he needs money fast! An emergency has come up and he is in great need of cash. Nearly everything he has is from well known hunter/dealers and it is very important that he sells it - so please take a look. THE PRICE IS REDUCED FROM $3000.00 TO $2500.00 This includes EVERYTHING - all meteorites and electronics! The detector alone cost $750 from Kellyco http://www.kellycodetectors.com/fisher/fisher-f70buy-2coil-package.htm For Photos click here http://s1123.photobucket.com/albums/l554/doubleeagle13/Brooks%20Album/ List of meteorites in his collection: Sikhote-Alin:61.1 gram individual 19.1 gram individual w/natural hole 20.6 gram individual 10.7 gram individual w/natural hole 6.9 gram individual Henbury: 40.19 grams individual 6.18 grams individual Mundrabilla: 59.5 grams individual 27.9 grams individual Campo:262.9 grams individual Gibeon:12.8 gram sphere 2.4 gram individual Vaca Mureta:5.9 gram complete individual 23.8 gram vial 1.3 gram slice. number 36/100 Steve Arnold Magnet 2.7 gram slice Brenham: 13.2 gram slice 23.7 gram slice Seymchan:13.49 gram slice Imilac: 5.5 gram slice Miles: 4.2 gram slice Canyon Diablo: 30.1 grams individual 10.6 grams individual Muonionalusta:15.11 gram Slice Etched Admire: .579 mg and .351ct ___ NWA 6704: 2.91gram ***Brand New From Hupe Collection (Wow great piece) NWA 869: 7.4 gram 5.4 gram 4.3 gram Bassikounou: 7.0 gram individual w/complete fusion crust Gao-Guenie: 8.7 gram individual w/completed fusion crust Franconia: 15.6 gram individual Yelland Dry Lake Bed: 3.7 gram polished slice NWA Unclassified: 3.4 gram slice (blueish tint) NWA 5950 CV3: 9.6 gram slice polished NWA Unclassified Possible CV3: 12.28 gram individual NWA Unclassified CV3:1.27 gram individual NWA 2086 CV3: 1.08 gram individual NWA 1934 CV3: 3.5 gram slice W/ CAI 1.19 gram individual W/6mm CAI 1.9 gram individual W/1mm CAI Allende: .787 gram slice Camel Donga: 6.73 gram individual 1.54 gram individual .88 gram individual Tatahouine: 2.07 gram .10 gram NWA 1877 Olivine Diogenite: 2.0 gram Vial Nakhlite: Martian Meteorite.20 gram piece (WOW) NWA 4880: Martian Meteorite W/Fusion Crust .578 gram Complete Individual (Holy Cow) NWA 5000: Lunar Meteorite .236 gram slice (WOW) NWA 4884: Lunar Meteorite.108 gram slice (Excellent) Dhofar 081: Lunar Meteorite.047 gram piece (Cool) Tekite: Black 8.1 grams individual 16.6 grams individual Moldavite: 4.92 CTS. EQUIPMENT Fisher F70 W/F75 Coil (Works perfectly) GemOro Platinum 0800 Pocket Scale Loop 30X-60X w/led lights for night viewing. Great for the field Garmin Etrex Vista Handheld GPS Magnet Cane with Two Very Powerful Rare Earth Magnets -- Rock On! Ruben Garcia Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
