Re: [meteorite-list] Building Inspired by Meteorites
Yes, sounds like they want meteorites that look like buildings rather than make a building to look like a meteorite! :) Yuk - it really looks nothing like a meteorite IMHO - it's more like a collapsed tin can, - why not have jet black fusion crust over the exterior, which absorbs solar heat and saves energy bills? The inside is a missed opportunity too - Personally I thought that the latest design trends in modern buildings were moving away from silver balls hanging in corridors and white 1960's tables.. Interesting though, thanks for the link. Mark -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Jan Bartels Sent: 21 June 2011 19:25 To: Matthias Bärmann; Pete Pete; meteoritelist meteoritelist Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Building Inspired by Meteorites Well I was invited on the grand opening today but unfortunatly couldn't make it. The Campo is there indeed but I can't really say where they placed it. Funny thing is they called me last week for advise.. They wanted the Campo shine like silver when the sunbeams would hit it and asked me how to make it look like as shiny as possible. Of course I strongly advised them to keep it as natural as possibledoubt it if they did :-) I'm going to visit them shortly and hopefully they didn't torture the poor thing too much... Best, Jan - Original Message - From: Matthias Bärmann majbaerm...@web.de To: Jan Bartels meteori...@online.nl; Pete Pete rsvp...@hotmail.com; meteoritelist meteoritelist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 7:52 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Building Inspired by Meteorites That's pretty cool indeed, Jan. Is the Campo already there? I couldn't find it on the photos. Btw. such kind of light performance was well known to the anonymous architects of the medieval cathedrals: One of the oldest Gothic cathedrals in France is Chartres cathedral. This cathedral is aligned to the summer solstice. On the summer solstice the Sun shines through the window of 'Saint Apollinaire' with a depiction of the Roman sun god Apollo and its rays fall straight on an iron nail in the floor of the cathedral. (see http://www.soulsofdistortion.nl/The%20mystery%20of%20the%20Cathedrals.html , with photo) Best, Matthias - Original Message - From: Jan Bartels meteori...@online.nl To: Pete Pete rsvp...@hotmail.com; meteoritelist meteoritelist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 7:22 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Building Inspired by Meteorites Cool isn't it? I was asked by the owner if I could get them a 100 kilo Campo. This one is placed in a position in the building where the sun will shine through a tube like construction on the meteorite exactly on the moment the astronomical summer begins. How cool is that? Best, Jan IMCA #9833 Holland - Original Message - From: Pete Pete rsvp...@hotmail.com To: meteoritelist meteoritelist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 7:14 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Building Inspired by Meteorites http://www.dezeen.com/2011/06/21/decos-technology-group-headquarters-by-inbo-architects/ http://www.dezeen.com/2011/06/21/decos-technology-group-headquarters-by-inbo-architects/ Dutch Building Looks Like It Landed on the Surface of Mars Sam Biddle-Architecture firms tend to use their offices as a giant business card they can work inside. Decos' is no exception-except it looks like an astronaut base, not a Dutch headquarters. Their inspiration? A meteorite impact. Snip __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Hinweis von ESET Smart Security, Signaturdatenbank-Version 6226 (20110621) __ E-Mail wurde geprüft mit ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Hinweis von ESET Smart Security, Signaturdatenbank-Version 6227 (20110621) __ E-Mail wurde geprüft mit ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list
Re: [meteorite-list] Russian Pig-Killing Fall? (dated)
A stone meteorite fell into one of the villages of the Tara district. The fall was accompanied by detonations, while the sky was clear. It killed a pig. It was carried off by a vagabond sorcerer, some of whom were still existing at that time. Talk about being in the right place at the right time. That really conjures up some great images. I can see him camped off in the woods enjoying suckling pig roasted over an open fire while contemplating his other new acquisition. Bill Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 21:21:41 -0700 From: jasonu...@gmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Russian Pig-Killing Fall? (dated) Hello All, For those who keep track of such things, I stumbled across an account of a meteorite having fallen and killed a pig: http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1939JRASC..33...51M (scroll to bottom) I looked in vain for the reference [E. Endukova, 1929], but it does not appear to exist online. Regards, Jason __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Russian Pig-Killing Fall? (dated)
A stone meteorite fell into one of the villages of the Tara district. The fall was accompanied by detonations, while the sky was clear. It killed a pig. It was carried off by a vagabond sorcerer, some of whom were still existing at that time. Bill wrote: Talk about being in the right place at the right time. That really conjures up some great images. I can see him camped off in the woods enjoying suckling pig roasted over an open fire while contemplating his other new acquisition. Hi Bill, When I first read this, I thought the sorcerer carried off the meteorite, not the pig. Now that you mentioned it, I think you're right. Carl2 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Impact Diamonds - Article Invitation
All, From the saw blade ruining diamonds found within the Canyon Diablo iron to the over 70,000 estimated metric tonnes of microscopic diamonds created by the Ries impact, impact diamonds provide a fascinating introduction to the intense energies associated with impacts and to the high pressure alteration of minerals in both meteorites and impacted rock. There is probably someone on the list with the necessary photos and with the expertise or interest to write a really interesting article on this subject, and I'd like to issue an invitation for them to do so. If you write it, I'll publish it in Meteorite magazine. Be sure to let me know if you choose to do this so that I can let anyone else know that it is already being done. Thanks! -Robert Beauford, co-editor For subscriptions or back issues: http://meteoritemag.uark.edu/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Building Inspired by Meteorites
Hi Mark, I agree, if that building looks like a meteorite, then I strongly resemble the Queen of England. Phil Whitmer - Yes, sounds like they want meteorites that look like buildings rather than make a building to look like a meteorite! :) Yuk - it really looks nothing like a meteorite IMHO - it's more like a collapsed tin can, - why not have jet black fusion crust over the exterior, which absorbs solar heat and saves energy bills? The inside is a missed opportunity too - Personally I thought that the latest design trends in modern buildings were moving away from silver balls hanging in corridors and white 1960's tables.. Interesting though, thanks for the link. Mark __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Russian Pig-Killing Fall? (dated)
Hello Daniel, Definitely -- I find that the Harvard adsabs site is a great source of older papers. I'm glad you made a lower offer on it; every single one of those books is available for free viewing and download on Google Books. A few dollars for the convenience of having them on a CD is fine, but I'd make sure to let list-members know that they can download the files for free by searching for the titles on Google Books. Regards, Jason On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 10:06 PM, Dan Furlan danfur...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Jason if you like reading old articles and books about meteorites you might be interested in this item on ebay: 130343554207 i offered the guy 3 bucks and he accepted it.. thought maybe you would be interested since the article you posted is almost 100 years old and its interesting how they talk about meteorites in the old days before the science was developed to properly classify them and describe them etc... Daniel Furlan collector and dealer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: Fantastic Auctions Ending Today-Weds/25% to 40% Off Sale NEW Meteorites Added! See Highlights!
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[meteorite-list] Ensisheim 2011 - new photos
Hello, here are my photos from the Ensisheim Show last weekend. We had again a very nice and interesting show. This year there were guests from oversea that visited Ensisheim their first time. It was a pleasure for them and a honour for us to meet at the show. There is no doubt that we had beside the meteorites a lot of fun together. Look at the photos and you will understand what I am talking about. So we didn´t recognice that the weather was not the very best but still good for beer and wine. You will find the photos on my website at http://www.strufe.net go with your mouse cursor on the top at “Foto-Galerien” and the sign for Ensisheim-2011 is coming up, there you see the 7 pages on the right that include each 10 photos or copy the following link into your browser http://www.strufe.net/0334af9a5a0cf8e1d/0334af9f090ec0002/0334af9f090ec9f07/index.php All the best Hanno Strufe Langenbergstrasse 32 D - 66954 Pirmasens Germany Phone + Fax: +49 6331 225105 E-Mail: h63str...@aol.com WEB: www.strufe.net Member of The Meteoritical Society (International Society for Meteoritics and Planetery Science) IMCA-Member: # 4267 (International Meteorite Collectors Association) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] The 100th Bulletin Now Out
List: I was looking a the lastest submissions in the Bulletin and noticed some OC's in the 100th Bulletin with the class: H~6, H~5, L~5... and so on. Apperently the tilde symbol means that the meteorite has an approximate petrologic type. So, what is the diiference between H5, H approximately 5, H 4-6, and H 4/6? Seems a little odd to me, but maybe there is an important reason for it. Greg S __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The 100th Bulletin Now Out
These tildes have been used before. Here is a rundown of all the special notation you may see in chondrite classifications. For petrologic types: ~ (tilde) means that the petrologic type was not determined very precisely -- maybe just with a visual guess. H~5 is an H chondrite that is approximately petrologic type 5. / (slash) means indeterminate between the two numbers, and therefore you can never have H4/6... only H4/5 or H5/6. I see that there are a few 4/6 meteorites in the bulletin, and these were due to editorial oversights: they are mostly 4-6 breccias (or errors). I'll fix some of these soon. - (hyphen) means the chondrite is a breccia with components spanning the given range. An H3-5 chondrite has components that are type 3, type 5, and possible (but not necessarily) type 4. For chondrite groups: / (slash) is a problem, and can have two meanings. It can either mean indeterminate, as it does for petrologic types, or it can mean transitional or intermediate. There is no way to tell which is meant. I was going to propose a new notation for real transitional meteorites like Bjurböle, which currently is written L/LL4: the new notation would be L^LL4, with the caret indicating its real place in the middle. Perhaps we'll see this appear one day. Parentheses indicate uncertainty. For highly unequilibrated chondrites, it is nearly impossible to discern the difference between L and LL groups, and so they may be called L(LL)3, meaning probably L3, but possibly LL3. In fact, unless somebody did bulk chemistry and O isotopes to find out the real answer, probably every very low petrologic type OC with large chondrites should be really called L(LL) or LL(L). Note that there is NO existing notation for polymict breccias, say one with an L host meteorite and CM clasts, so you never see something like L-CM. Think what a mess Kaidun or Almahatta Sitta classifications would be if you used hyphens in the same way we do for petrologic types! Note also that not all classifiers have clearly understood the difference between - and / for petrologic types. Some of the classifications in the literature almost certainly have these reversed. Most of these get caught by NomCom, but not all. Jeff On 6/22/2011 3:44 PM, Thunder Stone wrote: List: I was looking a the lastest submissions in the Bulletin and noticed some OC's in the 100th Bulletin with the class: H~6, H~5, L~5... and so on. Apperently the tilde symbol means that the meteorite has an approximate petrologic type. So, what is the diiference between H5, H approximately 5, H 4-6, and H 4/6? Seems a little odd to me, but maybe there is an important reason for it. Greg S __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Warning about Lahcen Ait Ha
Aloha all, I want to warn everyone about a dishonorable dealer of meteorites who lives in Morocco by the name of Lahcen Ait Ha. Lahcen offered a 748g lot of NWA 859 Taza iron meteorites by showing me pictures of them by email. I purchased the lot, but when I received his package, I realized that the material he sent me was not the same as the ones in the pictures. Not only that, but I have doubts whether the material is meteoritic at all. Needless to say, I returned the material immediately and contacted Lahcen to get a refund. He has stalled and to this point has refused to return my money. Several honorable Moroccan meteorite dealers have contacted Lahcen to talk sense into him to return my money, but these efforts have been fruitless. I have now waited over two months for resolution and yet there is no solution in sight, despite my efforts and those of my friends in Morocco. http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/_BogusTaza.jpg I must say that the vast majority of meteorite dealers in Morocco are of unquestionable integrity and good character. It is a pity that such a person is able to continue to perpetrate his fraudulent actions there. I implore all to NEVER DEAL WITH Lahcen Ait Ha. I never make posts like this because I have never had a need to do so. But extenuating circumstances have forced me to make this public immediately to protect others from being victimized by this person. Thank you for your understanding and caveat emptor. Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html (808) 640-9161 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Warning about Lahcen Ait Ha
Hi Gary and List, I respect your patience and willingness to bring this out into the open to warn others. You gave this dealer two months of chances to make the deal right and if he had quietly gotten away with his scam, other people would have gotten burned as well. Whatever that material is, it is certainly not Taza, nor is it any meteorite at all. I don't know what it is, but it looks very odd and not very meteoritic. It is certainly not the same material pictured in the initial offer photo. Do you still have this bogus material? If so, maybe you get could Blaine to shoot his Element Gun at it and get some idea of what that stuff is. Is it some kind of sandblasted slag? You may have little recourse to get your money back on this deal, but look at it this way - the entire world via Google now knows about this scammer. His chances of ripping off another buyer have just decreased substantially. All of us should keep our eyes open, because he may resurface later using another identity. This particular scammer has a Facebook account and several list members are on his FB friends list. Can any of those people verify for us that the scammer is still actively posting on FB? Best regards, MikeG -- - Galactic Stone Ironworks - Meteorites Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/42h79my News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - On 6/22/11, Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com wrote: Aloha all, I want to warn everyone about a dishonorable dealer of meteorites who lives in Morocco by the name of Lahcen Ait Ha. Lahcen offered a 748g lot of NWA 859 Taza iron meteorites by showing me pictures of them by email. I purchased the lot, but when I received his package, I realized that the material he sent me was not the same as the ones in the pictures. Not only that, but I have doubts whether the material is meteoritic at all. Needless to say, I returned the material immediately and contacted Lahcen to get a refund. He has stalled and to this point has refused to return my money. Several honorable Moroccan meteorite dealers have contacted Lahcen to talk sense into him to return my money, but these efforts have been fruitless. I have now waited over two months for resolution and yet there is no solution in sight, despite my efforts and those of my friends in Morocco. http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/_BogusTaza.jpg I must say that the vast majority of meteorite dealers in Morocco are of unquestionable integrity and good character. It is a pity that such a person is able to continue to perpetrate his fraudulent actions there. I implore all to NEVER DEAL WITH Lahcen Ait Ha. I never make posts like this because I have never had a need to do so. But extenuating circumstances have forced me to make this public immediately to protect others from being victimized by this person. Thank you for your understanding and caveat emptor. Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html (808) 640-9161 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Warning about Lahcen Ait Ha
He offered me Taza today...still at it. Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Gary and List, I respect your patience and willingness to bring this out into the open to warn others. You gave this dealer two months of chances to make the deal right and if he had quietly gotten away with his scam, other people would have gotten burned as well. Whatever that material is, it is certainly not Taza, nor is it any meteorite at all. I don't know what it is, but it looks very odd and not very meteoritic. It is certainly not the same material pictured in the initial offer photo. Do you still have this bogus material? If so, maybe you get could Blaine to shoot his Element Gun at it and get some idea of what that stuff is. Is it some kind of sandblasted slag? You may have little recourse to get your money back on this deal, but look at it this way - the entire world via Google now knows about this scammer. His chances of ripping off another buyer have just decreased substantially. All of us should keep our eyes open, because he may resurface later using another identity. This particular scammer has a Facebook account and several list members are on his FB friends list. Can any of those people verify for us that the scammer is still actively posting on FB? Best regards, MikeG -- - Galactic Stone Ironworks - Meteorites Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/42h79my News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - On 6/22/11, Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com wrote: Aloha all, I want to warn everyone about a dishonorable dealer of meteorites who lives in Morocco by the name of Lahcen Ait Ha. Lahcen offered a 748g lot of NWA 859 Taza iron meteorites by showing me pictures of them by email. I purchased the lot, but when I received his package, I realized that the material he sent me was not the same as the ones in the pictures. Not only that, but I have doubts whether the material is meteoritic at all. Needless to say, I returned the material immediately and contacted Lahcen to get a refund. He has stalled and to this point has refused to return my money. Several honorable Moroccan meteorite dealers have contacted Lahcen to talk sense into him to return my money, but these efforts have been fruitless. I have now waited over two months for resolution and yet there is no solution in sight, despite my efforts and those of my friends in Morocco. http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/_BogusTaza.jpg I must say that the vast majority of meteorite dealers in Morocco are of unquestionable integrity and good character. It is a pity that such a person is able to continue to perpetrate his fraudulent actions there. I implore all to NEVER DEAL WITH Lahcen Ait Ha. I never make posts like this because I have never had a need to do so. But extenuating circumstances have forced me to make this public immediately to protect others from being victimized by this person. Thank you for your understanding and caveat emptor. Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html (808) 640-9161 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Rob Wesel www.nakhladogmeteorites.com -- Sent from my mobile phone. Please excuse my brevity and any typos. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fw: Warning about Lahcen Ait Ha
I too have been had by a dishonest Moroccan dealer I am embarrassed to say. I have have many good dealings with this person in the past slowly building a trusting meteorite buying relationship. This person also sent me a photo of a meteorite that I wished to buy, a very rare type. When I received the stone, it was a very obvious weathered H chondrite and not the meteorite that I agreed to buy and paid a great sum of money for. This person has promised to send me other meteorites to make up for the mistake but has not yet done so. This has been going on since November 2010. I have instead gotten many excuses, the latest being the border problems with Algeria do not allow for him to get the stones that I will accept to make up for the money owed to me as Moroccans cannot send money out of the country. I have been very patient with this person but I will soon expose his name to the list in order to protect other buyers who may fall prey to his scam. I still hold a small glimmer of hope that he make make this right but I am very doubtful at this point. I have been patient with this person for more than 8 months now but I am rapidly losing my patience and hope that he will keep his many promises to me. I will give this person one more month to clear his name and reputation and then I will expose him to the list for the thief and liar that he is in order to keep others from falling prey to his dishonest scam. If he makes good, then I will owe him my apologies. I have had and continue to have good dealings with no problems whatsoever with the following dealers: Abdelfattah Gharrad, Abdelaziz Alhyane and Ahmad Bouragaa. I would highly recommend these dealers as I have dealt with them for many years with no problems at all. All very trustworthy men. All it takes is a couple of rotten Moroccans to give everyone a bad name though. I, as Gary Fujihara does, hate to make negative posts but also feel it necessary to expose the dishonest dealers to the list. I will keep you posted and I hope the list of bad Moroccan delears does not continue to grow. These are desperate times and the time to be all the more careful with our hard earned money. Be careful out there. Jack - Forwarded Message From: Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com To: MeteorList meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, June 22, 2011 2:57:25 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Warning about Lahcen Ait Ha Aloha all, I want to warn everyone about a dishonorable dealer of meteorites who lives in Morocco by the name of Lahcen Ait Ha. Lahcen offered a 748g lot of NWA 859 Taza iron meteorites by showing me pictures of them by email. I purchased the lot, but when I received his package, I realized that the material he sent me was not the same as the ones in the pictures. Not only that, but I have doubts whether the material is meteoritic at all. Needless to say, I returned the material immediately and contacted Lahcen to get a refund. He has stalled and to this point has refused to return my money. Several honorable Moroccan meteorite dealers have contacted Lahcen to talk sense into him to return my money, but these efforts have been fruitless. I have now waited over two months for resolution and yet there is no solution in sight, despite my efforts and those of my friends in Morocco. http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/_BogusTaza.jpg I must say that the vast majority of meteorite dealers in Morocco are of unquestionable integrity and good character. It is a pity that such a person is able to continue to perpetrate his fraudulent actions there. I implore all to NEVER DEAL WITH Lahcen Ait Ha. I never make posts like this because I have never had a need to do so. But extenuating circumstances have forced me to make this public immediately to protect others from being victimized by this person. Thank you for your understanding and caveat emptor. Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html (808) 640-9161 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Warning about Lahcen Ait Ha
Hi List. Gary and Michael does Lahcen Ait Ha currently have an Ebay user name? Anyone else know? Richard M - Original Message - From: Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com To: Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com Cc: MeteorList meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Warning about Lahcen Ait Ha Hi Gary and List, I respect your patience and willingness to bring this out into the open to warn others. You gave this dealer two months of chances to make the deal right and if he had quietly gotten away with his scam, other people would have gotten burned as well. Whatever that material is, it is certainly not Taza, nor is it any meteorite at all. I don't know what it is, but it looks very odd and not very meteoritic. It is certainly not the same material pictured in the initial offer photo. Do you still have this bogus material? If so, maybe you get could Blaine to shoot his Element Gun at it and get some idea of what that stuff is. Is it some kind of sandblasted slag? You may have little recourse to get your money back on this deal, but look at it this way - the entire world via Google now knows about this scammer. His chances of ripping off another buyer have just decreased substantially. All of us should keep our eyes open, because he may resurface later using another identity. This particular scammer has a Facebook account and several list members are on his FB friends list. Can any of those people verify for us that the scammer is still actively posting on FB? Best regards, MikeG -- - Galactic Stone Ironworks - Meteorites Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/42h79my News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - On 6/22/11, Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com wrote: Aloha all, I want to warn everyone about a dishonorable dealer of meteorites who lives in Morocco by the name of Lahcen Ait Ha. Lahcen offered a 748g lot of NWA 859 Taza iron meteorites by showing me pictures of them by email. I purchased the lot, but when I received his package, I realized that the material he sent me was not the same as the ones in the pictures. Not only that, but I have doubts whether the material is meteoritic at all. Needless to say, I returned the material immediately and contacted Lahcen to get a refund. He has stalled and to this point has refused to return my money. Several honorable Moroccan meteorite dealers have contacted Lahcen to talk sense into him to return my money, but these efforts have been fruitless. I have now waited over two months for resolution and yet there is no solution in sight, despite my efforts and those of my friends in Morocco. http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/_BogusTaza.jpg I must say that the vast majority of meteorite dealers in Morocco are of unquestionable integrity and good character. It is a pity that such a person is able to continue to perpetrate his fraudulent actions there. I implore all to NEVER DEAL WITH Lahcen Ait Ha. I never make posts like this because I have never had a need to do so. But extenuating circumstances have forced me to make this public immediately to protect others from being victimized by this person. Thank you for your understanding and caveat emptor. Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html (808) 640-9161 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] O.T. Copper Hunt Keweenaw Peninsula Michigan
Hi List, Please excuse the off topic post but this is too cool and I can't help it. In May I followed up my successful Nevada dry lake meteorite hunt with a trip to the Keweenaw Peninsula in the upper peninsula of Michigan to metal detect for float copper. I went with two friends, Darryl and Greg and we had a great time. We found 4 float specimens, copper ores, agates, and more interesting in a way, I found an ingot, but not a typical ingot. While metal detecting a remote beach where no copper smelting and little mining is known to have taken place, I found an ingot of an iron and copper mix. Experts in the mining history of the region say it is unique and unlike any ingots they know of. All the known ingots are larger and are nearly pure copper, not containing iron. I thought it was from a shipwreck at first because I found it on the shore of Lake Superior but they say it is smaller than what was typically put on ship. It's 5.75 inches long by ~.825 inches wide on all sides and weighs about 1.75 pounds. It's another mystery! I find the weirdest things. http://s934.photobucket.com/albums/ad190/alienrockfarm/Keweenaw%20Peninnsula%20Copper%20Hunt%20May%202011/ Sincerely, Larry Atkins IMCA # 1941 Ebay alienrockfarm __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ensisheim 2011 - new photos
Wonderful Hanno! Thank you very much for posting these pics. Sure wish I could be there. Mike Mike Tettenborn Owen Sound, Ontario, Canada t...@rogers.com On 2011-06-22, at 2:46 PM, Hanno Strufe wrote: Hello, here are my photos from the Ensisheim Show last weekend. We had again a very nice and interesting show. This year there were guests from oversea that visited Ensisheim their first time. It was a pleasure for them and a honour for us to meet at the show. There is no doubt that we had beside the meteorites a lot of fun together. Look at the photos and you will understand what I am talking about. So we didn´t recognice that the weather was not the very best but still good for beer and wine. You will find the photos on my website at http://www.strufe.net go with your mouse cursor on the top at “Foto-Galerien” and the sign for Ensisheim-2011 is coming up, there you see the 7 pages on the right that include each 10 photos or copy the following link into your browser http://www.strufe.net/0334af9a5a0cf8e1d/0334af9f090ec0002/0334af9f090ec9f07/index.php All the best Hanno Strufe Langenbergstrasse 32 D - 66954 Pirmasens Germany Phone + Fax: +49 6331 225105 E-Mail: h63str...@aol.com WEB: www.strufe.net Member of The Meteoritical Society (International Society for Meteoritics and Planetery Science) IMCA-Member: # 4267 (International Meteorite Collectors Association) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Why are Carbonado stones not on the Meteoritical Bulletin Database
Hello Listers This has always interested me and am wondering why Carbonado black diamonds from space aren't meteorites? Or are they, but not posted on the Meteoritical Bulletin Database. Why I ask is I read everywhere that the Cardonado came from an asteroid that slammed into Earth. Not long ago a 59 caret Cardonado sold at auction. Here's the details of the auction. Lot No: 3200 Large Carbonado – A Black Diamond from Space Brazil or Central African Republic The rarest and hardest diamonds on Earth are carbonados from outer space. Most carbonado black diamonds recovered have been rather small, weighing 3 carats or less. This shiny black and green stone is an exception, weighing 59.25 carats. Carbonados do not resemble any other diamonds on Earth because they were created by an exploding star before the formation of our solar system and delivered to Earth by an asteroid over two billion years ago. The present specimen is completely original with some reflectivity of individual crystals within the complete mass. It is both beautiful and exceptionally large. Carbonados are older than any other rocks found on Earth. Measures 27mm x 17mm x 15mm, Weighs 59.25ct Sold for $5,124 inclusive of Buyer's Premium http://www.bonhams.com/eur/auction/19371/lot/3200/ Now if this is true and they came from an asteroid wouldnt they be on the Meteoritical Bulletin Database? Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBaystore http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ensisheim 2011 - new photos
Aloha Hanno, Thank you for publishing your wonderful photographs of this year's Ensisheim event. It was almost as if I were there to join you all in the festivities and meteorite mayhem. Next year I hope to see you all (if I can get my outrigger canoe to cold European waters). gary On Jun 22, 2011, at 8:46 AM, Hanno Strufe wrote: Hello, here are my photos from the Ensisheim Show last weekend. We had again a very nice and interesting show. This year there were guests from oversea that visited Ensisheim their first time. It was a pleasure for them and a honour for us to meet at the show. There is no doubt that we had beside the meteorites a lot of fun together. Look at the photos and you will understand what I am talking about. So we didn´t recognice that the weather was not the very best but still good for beer and wine. You will find the photos on my website at http://www.strufe.net go with your mouse cursor on the top at “Foto-Galerien” and the sign for Ensisheim-2011 is coming up, there you see the 7 pages on the right that include each 10 photos or copy the following link into your browser http://www.strufe.net/0334af9a5a0cf8e1d/0334af9f090ec0002/0334af9f090ec9f07/index.php All the best Hanno Strufe Langenbergstrasse 32 D - 66954 Pirmasens Germany Phone + Fax: +49 6331 225105 E-Mail: h63str...@aol.com WEB: www.strufe.net Member of The Meteoritical Society (International Society for Meteoritics and Planetery Science) IMCA-Member: # 4267 (International Meteorite Collectors Association) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html (808) 640-9161 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fw: Warning about Lahcen Ait Ha
jack there is many reputable dealer said heddany , ali olmaleh and more elghrad and more ; one bad apple doesn't make all the basket bad try to solve the problem if we can help you to resolve the problem please tell us we can talk to him thanks aziz h __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fw: Warning about Lahcen Ait Ha
- Original Message - From: John Lutzon j...@hc.fdn.com To: habibi abdelaziz azizhab...@yahoo.com Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 9:10 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Warning about Lahcen Ait Ha Aziz H With all respect, DEALERS need to correct, govern and admonish their own--the unfortunate buyer will, of course, try to correct their situation. There is is NO reason to ask if you could help--of course you should!. And, continue to monitor your business activities so bad apples don't ruin a clean meteorite flow line to the public. With respect to all reputable Dealers! John Lutzon IMCA# 1896 - Original Message - From: habibi abdelaziz azizhab...@yahoo.com To: meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 8:45 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Warning about Lahcen Ait Ha jack there is many reputable dealer said heddany , ali olmaleh and more elghrad and more ; one bad apple doesn't make all the basket bad try to solve the problem if we can help you to resolve the problem please tell us we can talk to him thanks aziz h __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] O.T. Copper Hunt Keweenaw Peninsula Michigan
Hi Larry, What a cool find. Sonny -Original Message- From: Larry Atkins thetop...@aol.com To: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, Jun 22, 2011 1:20 pm Subject: [meteorite-list] O.T. Copper Hunt Keweenaw Peninsula Michigan Hi List,Please excuse the off topic post but this is too cool and I can't help it.In May I followed up my successful Nevada dry lake meteorite hunt with a trip to the Keweenaw Peninsula in the upper peninsula of Michigan to metal detect for float copper. I went with two friends, Darryl and Greg and we had a great time. We found 4 float specimens, copper ores, agates, and more interesting in a way, I found an ingot, but not a typical ingot. While metal detecting a remote beach where no copper smelting and little mining is known to have taken place, I found an ingot of an iron and copper mix. Experts in the mining history of the region say it is unique and unlike any ingots they know of. All the known ingots are larger and are nearly pure copper, not containing iron. I thought it was from a shipwreck at first because I found it on the shore of Lake Superior but they say it is smaller than what was typically put on ship. It's 5.75 inches long by ~.825 inches wide on all sides and weighs about 1.75 pounds.It's another mystery! I find the weirdest things.http://s934.photobucket.com/albums/ad190/alienrockfarm/Keweenaw%20 Peninnsula%20Copper%20Hunt%20May%202011/Sincerely,Larry Atkins IMCA # 1941Ebay alienrockfarm __Visi t the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.htmlMeteorite-list mailing listMeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comhttp://six.pairlist.net/mailman/li stinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Russian Pig-Killing Fall? (dated)
Carl, I just figured he did what any vagabond sorcerer worth his salt would have done. He took them both. Bill From: carloselgua...@hotmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 02:15:20 -0700 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Russian Pig-Killing Fall? (dated) A stone meteorite fell into one of the villages of the Tara district. The fall was accompanied by detonations, while the sky was clear. It killed a pig. It was carried off by a vagabond sorcerer, some of whom were still existing at that time. Bill wrote: Talk about being in the right place at the right time. That really conjures up some great images. I can see him camped off in the woods enjoying suckling pig roasted over an open fire while contemplating his other new acquisition. Hi Bill, When I first read this, I thought the sorcerer carried off the meteorite, not the pig. Now that you mentioned it, I think you're right. Carl2 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Warning about Lahcen Ait Ha
I would like to see that every Moroccan dealer who knows this disgraceful person named Lacen Ait Ha do everything they can to help Gary get his money back. I know Gary gives the Moroccans lots of business and i feel they owe him the professional courtesy to hunt down this very bad apple and have a serious talk with him. A few of the Moroccan dealers I have spoken to asked me if i know Gary Fujihara to build trust with me. The same people who use Gary's name to build trust with me to do business, owe Gary the professional courtesy and have the responsibilty to find this guy Lacen Ait Ha and make sure he sends Gary all the money back plus the cost of shipping those bogus rocks back to Morocco. We are not stupid people in North America and we were not born yesterday and i believe i speak for everybody when i say we want to see Gary get his money back. Find a way to make it happen, end of story. Daniel Furlan collector and dealer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Warning about Lahcen Ait Ha
This is going way too far. Nobody over there owes anyone jack. To insinuate that honest dealers in Africa or anywhere else have a responsibility to hunt down deadbeats is moronic. We know the risks involved unless we WERE born yesterday. I believe I speak for everybody when I say you don't even come close to speaking for everybody. Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 01:21:20 -0400 From: danfur...@gmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Warning about Lahcen Ait Ha I would like to see that every Moroccan dealer who knows this disgraceful person named Lacen Ait Ha do everything they can to help Gary get his money back. I know Gary gives the Moroccans lots of business and i feel they owe him the professional courtesy to hunt down this very bad apple and have a serious talk with him. A few of the Moroccan dealers I have spoken to asked me if i know Gary Fujihara to build trust with me. The same people who use Gary's name to build trust with me to do business, owe Gary the professional courtesy and have the responsibilty to find this guy Lacen Ait Ha and make sure he sends Gary all the money back plus the cost of shipping those bogus rocks back to Morocco. We are not stupid people in North America and we were not born yesterday and i believe i speak for everybody when i say we want to see Gary get his money back. Find a way to make it happen, end of story. Daniel Furlan collector and dealer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
