Re: [meteorite-list] World Record Slice Produced By Marlin Cilz!
Interesting... I didn't know there was a lunar world record slice contest. I mean 1,116.78 grams - 238mm X 218mm X 14mm of NWA 5000 would be nice to have. But there are many other meteorite slices or whole slices that make the 1,116.78 look like token. Also its seem this record is for whole slice, a slice is a slice :) I wonder what is the world record slice :) I have seen some beautiful Brenham slices at Bonhams auctions and those suckers were big. Any whos, if the slice is cute to make it smaller, then wouldn't it make the world record void? At any rate, I wish I had that in my collection :) great job. Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 ebay store http://stores.ebay.com/imca1633ny?_rdc=1 http://meteoritefalls.com/ From: Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Cc: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 10:06 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] World Record Slice Produced By Marlin Cilz! Hello Adam, Your statements confuse me. At what point is a slice no longer a slice, but a slab, and at which point does later subdivision of a slice/slab render it not worthwhile to record the original slice/slab's weight for purposes of deeming it a record-breaking cut? It seems like you're using a very specific definition of complete slice to deem this a record-breaking event. Though, not knowing the weight of the largest slice/slab of 61016 (or other lunar samples), I find such proclamations...odd. As to who cares? -- apparently you do, since you're making the claims. I'm all for publicity, but if one's going to make claims regarding quantitative numbers, one should be able to back them up -- and probably have the weights of the largest previously cut Apollo sample slices/slabs on hand to support it. Eyeing a photo and saying it looks like it weighs less doesn't quite cut it. I can speak for Marlin's fine work, and have no doubt he did a fine job on the slices. But that's beside the point. Regards, Jason http://www.fallsandfinds.com/ On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: Jason, I looked at the link and what you are calling a complete slice is a slab. If we are going for the world record slab cut, then Marlin still has it. The largest slab cut from NWA 5000 was as follows: 3,538 grams 238mm X 219mm X 52mm Of course, this slab was subdivided into five of the worlds largest Lunar complete slices which was the intent from the beginning. Just like NASA always intended to subdivide the 61016 slab for testing. I would estimate the 61016 slab to be less than half the size and weight of the NWA 5000 slab that Marlin produced. Who cares? Marlin did a wonderful preparation job and is to be commended on a new world record! Adam - Original Message - From: Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com To: Greg Hupé gmh...@centurylink.net Cc: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com; Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] World Record Slice Produced By Marlin Cilz! Hello All, I hate to rain on the parade, but I'd do some research before making 'record-breaking' claims. http://curator.jsc.nasa.gov/lunar/lsc/61016.pdf I don't know how much the largest slabs of Apollo material weigh(ed), but they were/are sizable. And I don't even know if the huge slabs in the above document were/are the largest they cut. This isn't my project, so I don't feel particularly inclined to ask NASA how large their largest slices of lunar material weigh(ed). Either way the old record probably goes to NASA. Marlin could hold a new record having cut a 1.1 kg slice, but that's questionable given the photos in the above article, if nothing else. Regards, Jason http://www.fallsandfinds.com/ On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Greg Hupé gmh...@centurylink.net wrote: Hi Mike, I am glad you asked for images of the Northwest Africa 5000 complete slices, here are a few to get you started and I can share more as time allows... http://www.naturesvault.net/meteorites/nwa5000.html The sequence of slices liberated from the original 11.528 kilo mass start with CS1 (the 'Ambassador' slice), then CS2, CS3, and so forth to CS6. The slice on today's Meteorite Picture of the Day is CS3. Side 'b' of each slice goes deeper into the mass and the surface area of the slices become even larger than the previous slice. The 483.89 gram 'Mona Lisa of Moon Rocks' slice will start its world tour at the 2013 Ensisheim Show this Friday and continue on to the Sainte Marie aux Mines show if it is still available. I will also be bringing a selection of smaller slices that are gorgeous! If you are going to the Ensisheim Show, or are still contemplating it, this complete slice of NWA 5000 looks incredibly better in person as
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day
Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: NWA 7387 Contributed by: Mauro Ianeselli http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpod.asp __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] World Record Slice Produced By Marlin Cilz!
We are talking about a Moon rock here and yes, there are official world records involved. 1,116.78 grams, a token? What planet are you from? Dislodged pieces of the Moon are the most coveted of all according to the Smithsonian. Most Americans consider the NASA Apollo collection of Moon rocks more valuable than the gold in Fort Knox. I think they represent one of mans greatest achievements and are a national treasure but this is just my opinion. Some may think the missions to the Moon were just trivial and the rocks brought back are just tokens. Adam - Original Message - From: Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com To: Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com; Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 11:26 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] World Record Slice Produced By Marlin Cilz! Interesting... I didn't know there was a lunar world record slice contest. I mean 1,116.78 grams - 238mm X 218mm X 14mm of NWA 5000 would be nice to have. But there are many other meteorite slices or whole slices that make the 1,116.78 look like token. Also its seem this record is for whole slice, a slice is a slice :) I wonder what is the world record slice :) I have seen some beautiful Brenham slices at Bonhams auctions and those suckers were big. Any whos, if the slice is cute to make it smaller, then wouldn't it make the world record void? At any rate, I wish I had that in my collection :) great job. Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 ebay store http://stores.ebay.com/imca1633ny?_rdc=1 http://meteoritefalls.com/ From: Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Cc: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 10:06 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] World Record Slice Produced By Marlin Cilz! Hello Adam, Your statements confuse me. At what point is a slice no longer a slice, but a slab, and at which point does later subdivision of a slice/slab render it not worthwhile to record the original slice/slab's weight for purposes of deeming it a record-breaking cut? It seems like you're using a very specific definition of complete slice to deem this a record-breaking event. Though, not knowing the weight of the largest slice/slab of 61016 (or other lunar samples), I find such proclamations...odd. As to who cares? -- apparently you do, since you're making the claims. I'm all for publicity, but if one's going to make claims regarding quantitative numbers, one should be able to back them up -- and probably have the weights of the largest previously cut Apollo sample slices/slabs on hand to support it. Eyeing a photo and saying it looks like it weighs less doesn't quite cut it. I can speak for Marlin's fine work, and have no doubt he did a fine job on the slices. But that's beside the point. Regards, Jason http://www.fallsandfinds.com/ On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: Jason, I looked at the link and what you are calling a complete slice is a slab. If we are going for the world record slab cut, then Marlin still has it. The largest slab cut from NWA 5000 was as follows: 3,538 grams 238mm X 219mm X 52mm Of course, this slab was subdivided into five of the worlds largest Lunar complete slices which was the intent from the beginning. Just like NASA always intended to subdivide the 61016 slab for testing. I would estimate the 61016 slab to be less than half the size and weight of the NWA 5000 slab that Marlin produced. Who cares? Marlin did a wonderful preparation job and is to be commended on a new world record! Adam - Original Message - From: Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com To: Greg Hupé gmh...@centurylink.net Cc: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com; Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] World Record Slice Produced By Marlin Cilz! Hello All, I hate to rain on the parade, but I'd do some research before making 'record-breaking' claims. http://curator.jsc.nasa.gov/lunar/lsc/61016.pdf I don't know how much the largest slabs of Apollo material weigh(ed), but they were/are sizable. And I don't even know if the huge slabs in the above document were/are the largest they cut. This isn't my project, so I don't feel particularly inclined to ask NASA how large their largest slices of lunar material weigh(ed). Either way the old record probably goes to NASA. Marlin could hold a new record having cut a 1.1 kg slice, but that's questionable given the photos in the above article, if nothing else. Regards, Jason http://www.fallsandfinds.com/ On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Greg Hupé gmh...@centurylink.net wrote: Hi Mike, I am glad you asked for images of the Northwest Africa 5000 complete slices, here are a few to get
[meteorite-list] Outstanding Auction Listings Ending -Almahata Sitta Ureilite -Perfect Slice-+BIG Gebel Kamils
Dear list members, 1. Another great Ebay auction ends in few hours. http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=350810967625ssPageName=ST RK:MESE:IT#ht_5552wt_917 A complete aesthetic Ureilite slice from Almahatta Sitta of Asteroid 2008 TC3 All Almahata fixed prices have been lowered, because I got many grams of new Almahata and these are now classified. So that each collector Almahata Sitta may have in the future in his collection. 2. And very nice Gebels next time some bigger than usual. Thank you for looking and if you bidding, good luck! dec...@donnersteine.de Best regards Stephan Decker em@il: dec...@donnersteine.de IMCA #0992 MetSoc member Please visit us: Donnersteine on Ebay http://stores.ebay.com/Meteorite-Museum-Shop-Donnersteine __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] World Record Slice Produced By Marlin Cilz!
Woah, rude and condescending. I don't think I've ever told anyone that a public list post 'wasn't their business.' Anyway, I'd like to point out the following: 1) Since you're claiming a record based on the difference between the two (a slice versus a slab), a formal definition must be made. E.g. a slice becomes a slab when the thickness becomes __% of the specimen's cross-sectional area. Or something like that. If you don't even know what criteria define a slice, you can't reasonably claim that someone made the largest one. Which is clear when you consider the obvious: Marlin may hold a 'larger record,' having cut a larger/thicker slice in the past. Or a NASA technician might hold the record, from a slice/slab cut in the 70's, or later. Which brings me to my next point. 2) Since we're talking about the largest slice ever *cut,* later subdivision shouldn't matter. Cutting a slice is a technical operation, the difficulty of which is not altered by later subdivision of the specimen. If we're talking about the largest slice *in existence,* that's a different record. 3) The definition of the record also relies upon the definition of largest. You've made it clear that NWA 5000 is less dense than the Apollo sample in question, so your self-serving definition of largest relies upon the surface area of a slice, not its weight. Meteorites' value is most often determined by their weight, so this seems a little odd to me. I'm glad you were able to find and state (later) that the slice cut from NWA 5000 is currently, definitively thicker than the one cut from Apollo sample 61016. New information is always nice. That said, the dimensions you quote are the current ones, so one would need to look into the largest slice/slab ever *cut* at NASA, if that's what the record is for. Either way, Marlin would hold the record for cutting the 3kg slice (not the 1.1 kg slice) if he does hold the record. You might as well be fair about it. 4) Shawn makes a fair point that is somewhat tangential; cutting a large pallasite, iron, or chondrite is probably more difficult, rendering this an odd record to make note of. While lunar slabs of a kilo or two may not be common, meteorite slices of this size are abundant. I wouldn't necessarily call one of them a token, but a Campo slab of that size or weight would probably cost hundreds of dollars, and would be a more difficult cutting and preparation job. And then there are the Fukang, Seymchan, Mundrabilla, and Cape York slices, often in excess of a meter in at least one dimension. Much more difficult to do. Seems like a publicity stunt to me, which I have no problem with, but you should probably iron out the details first. Jason www.fallsandfinds.com On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 12:39 AM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: We are talking about a Moon rock here and yes, there are official world records involved. 1,116.78 grams, a token? What planet are you from? Dislodged pieces of the Moon are the most coveted of all according to the Smithsonian. Most Americans consider the NASA Apollo collection of Moon rocks more valuable than the gold in Fort Knox. I think they represent one of mans greatest achievements and are a national treasure but this is just my opinion. Some may think the missions to the Moon were just trivial and the rocks brought back are just tokens. Adam - Original Message - From: Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com To: Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com; Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 11:26 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] World Record Slice Produced By Marlin Cilz! Interesting... I didn't know there was a lunar world record slice contest. I mean 1,116.78 grams - 238mm X 218mm X 14mm of NWA 5000 would be nice to have. But there are many other meteorite slices or whole slices that make the 1,116.78 look like token. Also its seem this record is for whole slice, a slice is a slice :) I wonder what is the world record slice :) I have seen some beautiful Brenham slices at Bonhams auctions and those suckers were big. Any whos, if the slice is cute to make it smaller, then wouldn't it make the world record void? At any rate, I wish I had that in my collection :) great job. Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 ebay store http://stores.ebay.com/imca1633ny?_rdc=1 http://meteoritefalls.com/ From: Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Cc: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 10:06 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] World Record Slice Produced By Marlin Cilz! Hello Adam, Your statements confuse me. At what point is a slice no longer a slice, but a slab, and at which point does later subdivision of a slice/slab render it not worthwhile to record the original slice/slab's weight for purposes of deeming it a record-breaking cut? It
[meteorite-list] Northwest Africa 5000 - The Mona Lisa of Moon Rocks - AD
Hello Everyone! It is my pleasure to announce the availability of some of the World's largest lunar meteorite slices and the new main mass of Northwest Africa 5000 (NWA 5000), also known as 'The Mona Lisa of Moon Rocks'. My brother, Adam and I had one of the very best meteorite cutters out there liberate five complete slices from the previous main mass, Marlin Cilz did an outstanding job!! I will be bringing the 483.89 gram complete slice (CS3) to Europe this week. I custom made a special frame for it to honor the two French shows this week, especially Ensisheim since a meteorite fell there in 1492! I will also be bringing a selection of superb smaller slices that are sure to be a crowd pleaser. I hope to see all of my friends there and meet those who I have not yet met in person. Here is a link to the NWA 5000 sales web page on Nature's Vault: http://www.naturesvault.net/meteorites/nwa5000.html I hope you like the images as much as I did watching Marlin create these individual works of art from Northwest Africa 5000... A Cosmic Masterpiece Best Regards, Greg Greg Hupé The Hupé Collection gmh...@centurylink.net www.NaturesVault.net (Online Catalog Reference Site) www.LunarRock.com (Online Planetary Meteorite Site) NaturesVault (Facebook, Pinterest eBay) http://www.facebook.com/NaturesVault http://pinterest.com/NaturesVault IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Northwest Africa 5000 - The Mona Lisa of Moon Rocks - AD
Absolutely stunning! Beautiful slices. Johnson, M.D. www.johnsonmeteorites.com Thumbed on my iPhone4S On Jun 18, 2013, at 8:40 AM, Greg Hupé gmh...@centurylink.net wrote: Hello Everyone! It is my pleasure to announce the availability of some of the World's largest lunar meteorite slices and the new main mass of Northwest Africa 5000 (NWA 5000), also known as 'The Mona Lisa of Moon Rocks'. My brother, Adam and I had one of the very best meteorite cutters out there liberate five complete slices from the previous main mass, Marlin Cilz did an outstanding job!! I will be bringing the 483.89 gram complete slice (CS3) to Europe this week. I custom made a special frame for it to honor the two French shows this week, especially Ensisheim since a meteorite fell there in 1492! I will also be bringing a selection of superb smaller slices that are sure to be a crowd pleaser. I hope to see all of my friends there and meet those who I have not yet met in person. Here is a link to the NWA 5000 sales web page on Nature's Vault: http://www.naturesvault.net/meteorites/nwa5000.html I hope you like the images as much as I did watching Marlin create these individual works of art from Northwest Africa 5000... A Cosmic Masterpiece Best Regards, Greg Greg Hupé The Hupé Collection gmh...@centurylink.net www.NaturesVault.net (Online Catalog Reference Site) www.LunarRock.com (Online Planetary Meteorite Site) NaturesVault (Facebook, Pinterest eBay) http://www.facebook.com/NaturesVault http://pinterest.com/NaturesVault IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] World Record Slice Produced By Marlin Cilz!
I hate to break this news. I have a slab of Al-Haggounia that measures 6-feet by 14-feet in overall dimensions and is 9 inches thick at it's thickest point. It weighs 900 pounds. I am currently using it as a patio deck outside my apartment. These paltry lunar thumbnails pale in comparison. Best regards, MikeG -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone Blog - http://www.galactic-stone.com/blog - On 6/17/13, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: Don't worry about it Jason. It is not your concern. Let the qualified record-tracking personal in England deal with it. A world record has been set and is locked in.. The slab from 61016 was only 20 mm thick and was cut into sections immediately for studying cosmic ray tracks. The initial slab for NWA 5000 was more than twice as thick at 52mm. What don't you understand? I did my research, Now it is time for you to grow up and do your own research instead of commenting on things you now nothing about. Do you like to argue for the sake of arguing? Please don't answer because I want no further communications with you! I find it to be a complete waste of time Over and Out, Good Bye, Adam - Original Message - From: Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Cc: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 7:06 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] World Record Slice Produced By Marlin Cilz! Hello Adam, Your statements confuse me. At what point is a slice no longer a slice, but a slab, and at which point does later subdivision of a slice/slab render it not worthwhile to record the original slice/slab's weight for purposes of deeming it a record-breaking cut? It seems like you're using a very specific definition of complete slice to deem this a record-breaking event. Though, not knowing the weight of the largest slice/slab of 61016 (or other lunar samples), I find such proclamations...odd. As to who cares? -- apparently you do, since you're making the claims. I'm all for publicity, but if one's going to make claims regarding quantitative numbers, one should be able to back them up -- and probably have the weights of the largest previously cut Apollo sample slices/slabs on hand to support it. Eyeing a photo and saying it looks like it weighs less doesn't quite cut it. I can speak for Marlin's fine work, and have no doubt he did a fine job on the slices. But that's beside the point. Regards, Jason www.fallsandfinds.com On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: Jason, I looked at the link and what you are calling a complete slice is a slab. If we are going for the world record slab cut, then Marlin still has it. The largest slab cut from NWA 5000 was as follows: 3,538 grams 238mm X 219mm X 52mm Of course, this slab was subdivided into five of the worlds largest Lunar complete slices which was the intent from the beginning. Just like NASA always intended to subdivide the 61016 slab for testing. I would estimate the 61016 slab to be less than half the size and weight of the NWA 5000 slab that Marlin produced. Who cares? Marlin did a wonderful preparation job and is to be commended on a new world record! Adam - Original Message - From: Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com To: Greg Hupé gmh...@centurylink.net Cc: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com; Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] World Record Slice Produced By Marlin Cilz! Hello All, I hate to rain on the parade, but I'd do some research before making 'record-breaking' claims. http://curator.jsc.nasa.gov/lunar/lsc/61016.pdf I don't know how much the largest slabs of Apollo material weigh(ed), but they were/are sizable. And I don't even know if the huge slabs in the above document were/are the largest they cut. This isn't my project, so I don't feel particularly inclined to ask NASA how large their largest slices of lunar material weigh(ed). Either way the old record probably goes to NASA. Marlin could hold a new record having cut a 1.1 kg slice, but that's questionable given the photos in the above article, if nothing else. Regards, Jason www.fallsandfinds.com On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Greg Hupé gmh...@centurylink.net wrote: Hi Mike, I am glad you asked for images of the Northwest Africa 5000 complete slices, here are a few to get you started and I can share more as time allows... http://www.naturesvault.net/meteorites/nwa5000.html The sequence of slices liberated from the original
[meteorite-list] World Records
Some things to consider about world records, Diamonds, which are millions of time less rare than Moon rocks here on Earth have similar records since they are sometimes prepared. There are raw weight records and finished cut weight weight records for diamonds. Then the record books go as far as breaking them down into colors. There is even a record for the largest piece ever to be put on public display. Just because a diamond was cut doesn't destroy its old raw weight record. Nowhere are their intermediate weights recorded during diamond preparation in the record books. A slab can also be a complete slice if it is considered the finished product by the cutter and not in an intermediate stage of preparation. A slice or slab which was broken during cutting is not a complete slice at all. If a race care is destroyed sometime after setting a world record, its records will still stand so long as it was officially recorded. If somebody breaks down a complete Moon rock slice, then any records the complete slice once held are still valid so long as they were officially recorded before breaking down the piece. . World records are tracked to the point of being excessive in sports. These records will stand until officially broken by somebody else regardless of what happens to the athlete. In the case of Moon rocks, NWA 5000 has broken numerous world records but I refuse to get into them all here on the List. I talk about a single record set by somebody other than myself which has been confirmed and all I get is grief from a few jealous parties. As far as a promotional stunt goes, I never promoted myself while I held the record for cutting the world's largest complete slice. I talked very little about NWA 5000 over the years here on the List. I could have promoted it to the point of irritation but refused to do so. NWA 5000 will stand on its own with no hype necessary so I am almost sorry for mentioning one of many world records it holds. Adam . __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] World Record Slice Produced By Marlin Cilz!
The Apollo rocks are not meteorites, so perhaps the new NWA 5000 slices are the largest lunar meteorite slices to date. Paul Swartz MPOD Hello All, I hate to rain on the parade, but I'd do some research before making 'record-breaking' claims. in the above article, if nothing else. Regards, Jason __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] World Record Slice Produced By Marlin Cilz!
Lets not cloud the issue here with facts. We have to keep these nonsense arguments going full steam ahead.That's what meteorite list was intended for is all about %95 of the time. Richard Lipke - Original Message - The Apollo rocks are not meteorites, so perhaps the new NWA 5000 slices are the largest lunar meteorite slices to date. Paul Swartz MPOD Hello All, I hate to rain on the parade, but I'd do some research before making 'record-breaking' claims. in the above article, if nothing else. Regards, Jason __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NASA Announces Asteroid Grand Challenge
June 18, 2013 Sarah Ramsey/Rachel Kraft Headquarters, Washington 202-358-1694/1100 sarah.ram...@nasa.gov / rachel.h.kr...@nasa.gov RELEASE: 13-188 NASA ANNOUNCES ASTEROID GRAND CHALLENGE WASHINGTON -- NASA announced Tuesday a Grand Challenge focused on finding all asteroid threats to human populations and knowing what to do about them. The challenge, which was announced at an asteroid initiative industry and partner day at NASA Headquarters in Washington, is a large-scale effort that will use multi-disciplinary collaborations and a variety of partnerships with other government agencies, international partners, industry, academia, and citizen scientists. It complements NASA's recently announced mission to redirect an asteroid and send humans to study it. NASA already is working to find asteroids that might be a threat to our planet, and while we have found 95 percent of the large asteroids near the Earth's orbit, we need to find all those that might be a threat to Earth, said NASA Deputy Administrator Lori Garver. This Grand Challenge is focused on detecting and characterizing asteroids and learning how to deal with potential threats. We will also harness public engagement, open innovation and citizen science to help solve this global problem. Grand Challenges are ambitious goals on a national or global scale that capture the imagination and demand advances in innovation and breakthroughs in science and technology. They are an important element of President Obama's Strategy for American Innovation. I applaud NASA for issuing this Grand Challenge because finding asteroid threats, and having a plan for dealing with them, needs to be an all-hands-on-deck effort, said Tom Kalil, deputy director for technology and innovation at the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy. The efforts of private-sector partners and our citizen scientists will augment the work NASA already is doing to improve near-Earth object detection capabilities. NASA also released a request for information (RFI) that invites industry and potential partners to offer ideas on accomplishing NASA's goal to locate, redirect, and explore an asteroid, as well as find and plan for asteroid threats. The RFI is open for 30 days, and responses will be used to help develop public engagement opportunities and a September industry workshop. To watch the archived video of Tuesday's asteroid initiative industry and partner day, visit: http://youtube.com/nasatelevision For more information about NASA's asteroid initiative, including presentations from Tuesday's event and a link to the new RFI, visit: http://www.nasa.gov/asteroidinitiative -end- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Targets Scarce for NASA's Asteroid-Capture Mission
http://www.space.com/21608-nasa-asteroid-capture-mission-targets.html?cmpid=514648 Targets Scarce for NASA's Asteroid-Capture Mission by Mike Wall space.com 18 June 2013 NASA's audacious plan to grab an asteroid and park it near the moon is short on candidate space rocks at the moment, one researcher says. It's possible that not a single known object meets the current criteria of NASA's asteroid redirect mission (ARM), astrodynamical consultant Dan Adamo said during a presentation with NASA's Future In-Space Operations working group on Wednesday (June 12). To pull the mission off in a timely fashion, Adamo added, it may be necessary to mount a dedicated, space-based asteroid survey in the near future or consider snagging a chunk of a larger asteroid rather than returning an entire (relatively small) space rock. Capturing an asteroid NASA unveiled the asteroid-retrieval mission in April. The current plan is to drag a roughly 500-ton, 23-foot-wide (7 meters) asteroid to a stable orbit near the moon using an unmanned probe. Astronauts would then visit the object using NASA's Orion capsule and Space Launch System rocket, which are slated to fly together for the first time in 2021. The ARM concept fits within President Barack Obama's vision for NASA's manned exploration program, which calls for the agency to send astronauts to a near-Earth asteroid (NEA) by 2025, then on to the vicinity of Mars by the mid-2030s. ARM is similar to an idea proposed last year by scientists based at Caltech's Keck Institute for Space Studies in Pasadena, Calif. The Keck study estimated that a robotic spacecraft could drag a 23-foot NEA into a high lunar orbit for $2.6 billion. Such a mission would help develop asteroid-mining technology and advance scientists' understanding of the early solar system, advocates say. Capturing an asteroid could also have big returns in the manned exploration arena. Experience gained via human expeditions to the small, returned NEA would transfer directly to follow-on international expeditions beyond the Earth-moon system - to other near-Earth asteroids, [the Mars moons] Phobos and Deimos, Mars and potentially, someday to the main asteroid belt, the Keck team wrote in a feasibility study of their plan. Scarce targets Scientists think at least 1 million asteroids zip through Earth's neighborhood, but only 10,000 or so of these close-flying space rocks have been identified and catalogued to date. Adamo scrutinized the known objects, looking for potential ARM targets. He first zeroed in on bodies with sufficiently Earthlike orbits - nearly circular paths in much the same plane as Earth, with an average separation from the sun within 20 percent of the Earth-sun distance (which is about 93 million miles, or 150 million kilometers, and is known as an astronomical unit, or AU). Adamo then excluded any asteroids in this group that would zoom past Earth at too great a speed - more than 4,475 mph (7,200 km/h) relative to Earth - and came up with a list of 18 highly accessible space rocks. But some of these 18 are definitely too big for ARM as it's currently envisioned, and many others may not fit the size criterion (estimates of the space rocks' diameters are generally imprecise). Further, most of these rocks won't approach Earth closely enough in the near future to be viable targets. In fact, just seven of the 18 asteroids will fly within 0.1 AU of Earth before 2030, and only four will do so before 2021, Adamo said. (This 0.1 AU threshold provides a good rule of thumb to help narrow down the candidate field, he explained.) In short, the cupboard is looking pretty bare at the moment, with no slam-dunk asteroid targets just begging to be captured. Two strategies could help give ARM the best chance to succeed in the near future, Adamo said. The first is to find more potential targets, by launching an asteroid-hunting space telescope as soon as possible. The second idea involves modifying ARM to retrieve a chunk of a big asteroid - a 100-ton piece of a 330-foot (100 m) object, perhaps - rather than an intact small space rock. There are several advantages to targeting larger near-Earth objects (NEOs), Adamo said. They're easier to find and track, for example, and are more likely to exhibit stable and slow rotation. Larger NEOs are just going to be easier to approach and get close to, Adamo said. Bigger asteroids are also more likely to be compositionally diverse, offering a probe several different sampling targets, he added. You're like a kid in a candy store instead of just out there with one object, as the current concept would advocate, Adamo said. However NASA decides to proceed with ARM, the agency will need to work quickly if it hopes to execute the bold mission in the next decade or so, Adamo said. That's especially true if NASA aims to launch a precursor mission to verify the suitability of an intended target. This is a
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