[meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day
Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: Orgueil Contributed by: Gourgues Denis http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpod.asp __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - Rare MOSS, Norway 2006 For sale, good price!
Hello List, i have a nice Fragment of MOSS (Norway 2006), Carbonaceous Chondrite CO3.6 for sale. Please see here: http://www.gi-po.de/ebayfolder/shop%202013/moss/moss.html Please contact me if you are interested. Many thanks for viewing! Best regards, Carsten Giessler __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Recent Meteorite Falls in California Paper (PDF file)
I found a recent paper about California meteorite falls that is available online. It is: Verish, R. S., 2013, Recent meteorite falls in California. In R. E. Reynolds, ed., pp. 221-225, Raising Questions in Central Mojave Desert. California State University Desert Studies Center 2013 Desert Symposium, Zzyzx, California. This paper is part of the California State University Desert Studies Center 2013 Desert Symposium, which can be downloaded from: http://biology.fullerton.edu/dsc/pdf/2013Raisingquestionsinthecentralmojavedesert.pdf http://biology.fullerton.edu/dsc/school/symposium.html (yes, there is a place call Zzyzx, California, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zzyzx,_California ) Yours, Paul H. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk commemerative plaque
Hi all, I wonder if anyone could help me in finding out where i can acquire one of these plaques mentioned in the article below. (http://www.ura.ru/content/svrd/22-06-2013/news/1052160061.html) Any assistance would be much appreciated :-) Cheers Martin -- Martin Goff www.msg-meteorites.co.uk IMCA #3387 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite hunter takes £10,000 rock to auction - And a particularly BAD quote
http://www.astrowatch.net/2013/08/meteorite-hunter-takes-1-rock-to.html Dear list members, This is an interesting article but what really caught my eye was the following quote: The Russian government told the local residents that they would arrest anyone selling pieces of the meteorite overseas, so my contact had to disguise the airmail package and mix the meteorites with pieces of electronic equipment to hide them, The intricacies of Russian export laws are as dense as as any Russian novel and less decipherable as highlighted by some of our own conversations regarding the topic. This quote unfortunately removes any doubt that the Chelyabinsk meteorites were smuggled out and only reinforces the misconception that our (a)vocation is run like a black market. I am sure that the actual interview was filled with more details and clarifying comments, but that is clearly NOT what was printed. Dealing with the press is a skill like any other that requires training and experience. At the very least ask for the questions in advance and respond by email if at all possible. The most important thing to do is to ask for the ability to review and make edits to the article BEFORE agreeing to doing the interview. Though you will figure out easily who was quoted, this is not about the individual. I was not there during the interview (obviously) and can't say what was or was not said. I really just want to highlight this story as a cautionary tale. As a final thought, not all reporters are bad or out to get people. They have a job to do and are motivated by a different set of requirements than what we may understand. They want a good story and you (may) want the public recognition. This is a symbiotic relationship, but if you do not understand how the game is played, you will likely get played. Sincerely, Mendy Ouzillou __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite hunter takes £10,000 rock to auction - And a particularly BAD quote
This article is crap and so is the auction. H has been doing nothing but putting together these auctions ever couple of years. As I went to Russia and brought back thousands, actually more than 10,000 pieces, I am pretty sure I have more Chelyabinsk in the west than Eliott:) Te smuggling quotes don't help, and in fact, i think under UK law could easily get the pieces frozen in the Auction or confiscated by the government there. These are just promotional sales pitches to the gullible. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Aug 19, 2013, at 7:40 AM, Mendy Ouzillou ouzil...@yahoo.com wrote: http://www.astrowatch.net/2013/08/meteorite-hunter-takes-1-rock-to.html Dear list members, This is an interesting article but what really caught my eye was the following quote: The Russian government told the local residents that they would arrest anyone selling pieces of the meteorite overseas, so my contact had to disguise the airmail package and mix the meteorites with pieces of electronic equipment to hide them, The intricacies of Russian export laws are as dense as as any Russian novel and less decipherable as highlighted by some of our own conversations regarding the topic. This quote unfortunately removes any doubt that the Chelyabinsk meteorites were smuggled out and only reinforces the misconception that our (a)vocation is run like a black market. I am sure that the actual interview was filled with more details and clarifying comments, but that is clearly NOT what was printed. Dealing with the press is a skill like any other that requires training and experience. At the very least ask for the questions in advance and respond by email if at all possible. The most important thing to do is to ask for the ability to review and make edits to the article BEFORE agreeing to doing the interview. Though you will figure out easily who was quoted, this is not about the individual. I was not there during the interview (obviously) and can't say what was or was not said. I really just want to highlight this story as a cautionary tale. As a final thought, not all reporters are bad or out to get people. They have a job to do and are motivated by a different set of requirements than what we may understand. They want a good story and you (may) want the public recognition. This is a symbiotic relationship, but if you do not understand how the game is played, you will likely get played. Sincerely, Mendy Ouzillou __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite hunter takes £10,000 rock to auction - And a particularly BAD quote
Yup, stories of daring-do and danger to enhance the gavel price. Oldest trick in the book. It's the Forbidden Fruit Premium. -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone - On 8/19/13, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: This article is crap and so is the auction. H has been doing nothing but putting together these auctions ever couple of years. As I went to Russia and brought back thousands, actually more than 10,000 pieces, I am pretty sure I have more Chelyabinsk in the west than Eliott:) Te smuggling quotes don't help, and in fact, i think under UK law could easily get the pieces frozen in the Auction or confiscated by the government there. These are just promotional sales pitches to the gullible. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Aug 19, 2013, at 7:40 AM, Mendy Ouzillou ouzil...@yahoo.com wrote: http://www.astrowatch.net/2013/08/meteorite-hunter-takes-1-rock-to.html Dear list members, This is an interesting article but what really caught my eye was the following quote: The Russian government told the local residents that they would arrest anyone selling pieces of the meteorite overseas, so my contact had to disguise the airmail package and mix the meteorites with pieces of electronic equipment to hide them, The intricacies of Russian export laws are as dense as as any Russian novel and less decipherable as highlighted by some of our own conversations regarding the topic. This quote unfortunately removes any doubt that the Chelyabinsk meteorites were smuggled out and only reinforces the misconception that our (a)vocation is run like a black market. I am sure that the actual interview was filled with more details and clarifying comments, but that is clearly NOT what was printed. Dealing with the press is a skill like any other that requires training and experience. At the very least ask for the questions in advance and respond by email if at all possible. The most important thing to do is to ask for the ability to review and make edits to the article BEFORE agreeing to doing the interview. Though you will figure out easily who was quoted, this is not about the individual. I was not there during the interview (obviously) and can't say what was or was not said. I really just want to highlight this story as a cautionary tale. As a final thought, not all reporters are bad or out to get people. They have a job to do and are motivated by a different set of requirements than what we may understand. They want a good story and you (may) want the public recognition. This is a symbiotic relationship, but if you do not understand how the game is played, you will likely get played. Sincerely, Mendy Ouzillou __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite hunter takes £10,000 rock to auction - And a particularly BAD quote
Danger is prison in Oman, on your knees in Kenya with machete at your throat, escaping corrupt border cops in Peru, not opening a post parcel:). Perhaps these crotchety old millionaires need a lesson in life of really hunting meteorites. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Aug 19, 2013, at 7:56 AM, Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: Yup, stories of daring-do and danger to enhance the gavel price. Oldest trick in the book. It's the Forbidden Fruit Premium. -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone - On 8/19/13, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: This article is crap and so is the auction. H has been doing nothing but putting together these auctions ever couple of years. As I went to Russia and brought back thousands, actually more than 10,000 pieces, I am pretty sure I have more Chelyabinsk in the west than Eliott:) Te smuggling quotes don't help, and in fact, i think under UK law could easily get the pieces frozen in the Auction or confiscated by the government there. These are just promotional sales pitches to the gullible. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Aug 19, 2013, at 7:40 AM, Mendy Ouzillou ouzil...@yahoo.com wrote: http://www.astrowatch.net/2013/08/meteorite-hunter-takes-1-rock-to.html Dear list members, This is an interesting article but what really caught my eye was the following quote: The Russian government told the local residents that they would arrest anyone selling pieces of the meteorite overseas, so my contact had to disguise the airmail package and mix the meteorites with pieces of electronic equipment to hide them, The intricacies of Russian export laws are as dense as as any Russian novel and less decipherable as highlighted by some of our own conversations regarding the topic. This quote unfortunately removes any doubt that the Chelyabinsk meteorites were smuggled out and only reinforces the misconception that our (a)vocation is run like a black market. I am sure that the actual interview was filled with more details and clarifying comments, but that is clearly NOT what was printed. Dealing with the press is a skill like any other that requires training and experience. At the very least ask for the questions in advance and respond by email if at all possible. The most important thing to do is to ask for the ability to review and make edits to the article BEFORE agreeing to doing the interview. Though you will figure out easily who was quoted, this is not about the individual. I was not there during the interview (obviously) and can't say what was or was not said. I really just want to highlight this story as a cautionary tale. As a final thought, not all reporters are bad or out to get people. They have a job to do and are motivated by a different set of requirements than what we may understand. They want a good story and you (may) want the public recognition. This is a symbiotic relationship, but if you do not understand how the game is played, you will likely get played. Sincerely, Mendy Ouzillou __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite hunter takes £10,000 rock to auction - And a particularly BAD quote
Hi, all -- Further to Mendy's comments -- I'm a list newbie (I joined to help acquire a mini-teaching collection to use in K-12 schools in the Boston area) -- but I had seen the original article, and found it amusing enough that I almost pointed it out to you all a couple of days ago: http://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/aug/16/hambleton-chelyabinsk-meteorite-auction-rob-elliott In other words, this was in the Guardian, supposedly one of the more reputable newspapers worldwide (for example, the lead investigatory paper in the Snowden/NSA stories), attributed to the Press Association (supposedly one of the UK's leading news organizations, http://www.pressassociation.com). There wasn't an option to comment on the article directly, and the Press Association doesn't appear to have an ombudsman, but here is the press officer / communications manager, in case anyone with more experience/local UK perspective wants to take up the gauntlet: sean.ott...@pressassociation.com The most amusing misinformation seemed to be in the figure caption: Other items to be auctioned include one of the only pieces of the Russian meteorite Chelyabinsk to have made it to the west [well, not quite accurate, with like 300+ active auctions on ebay as of this morning alone ...] ;-) As usual, reiterates that we have to be careful what info we get from even the good news outlets. Also, as Mendy suggests, how careful we need to be when we ourselves are the source of information? -- Malcolm Quoting Mendy Ouzillou ouzil...@yahoo.com: http://www.astrowatch.net/2013/08/meteorite-hunter-takes-1-rock-to.html Dear list members, This is an interesting article but what really caught my eye was the following quote: The Russian government told the local residents that they would arrest anyone selling pieces of the meteorite overseas, so my contact had to disguise the airmail package and mix the meteorites with pieces of electronic equipment to hide them, The intricacies of Russian export laws are as dense as as any Russian novel and less decipherable as highlighted by some of our own conversations regarding the topic. This quote unfortunately removes any doubt that the Chelyabinsk meteorites were smuggled out and only reinforces the misconception that our (a)vocation is run like a black market. I am sure that the actual interview was filled with more details and clarifying comments, but that is clearly NOT what was printed. Dealing with the press is a skill like any other that requires training and experience. At the very least ask for the questions in advance and respond by email if at all possible. The most important thing to do is to ask for the ability to review and make edits to the article BEFORE agreeing to doing the interview. Though you will figure out easily who was quoted, this is not about the individual. I was not there during the interview (obviously) and can't say what was or was not said. I really just want to highlight this story as a cautionary tale. As a final thought, not all reporters are bad or out to get people. They have a job to do and are motivated by a different set of requirements than what we may understand. They want a good story and you (may) want the public recognition. This is a symbiotic relationship, but if you do not understand how the game is played, you will likely get played. Sincerely, Mendy Ouzillou __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list == If you don't feed the teachers, they will eat the children. Anonymous teacher, told to Linda Albert, Cooperative Discipline, 1996. == But none of that will transform education if we fail to cherish -- and challenge -- the human heart that is the source of good teaching. Parker J Palmer, The Courage to Teach, 1998. == Malcolm S Pringle, Dept. of Earth, Atmospheric, and Planetary Sciences Massachusetts Inst of Technology, 77 Massachusetts AveBldg 54-1210 Cambridge, MA02139-4307 USACell: 617-319-6584 == __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] High-speed Impacts Test Technology for Future Missions
http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Space_Science/High-speed_impacts_test_tech_for_future_missions High-speed impacts test tech for future missions European Space Agency 19 August 2013 ESA is always thinking ahead to the next generation of space missions, testing new technology far in advance to make concepts a reality. One area being tackled by ESA's Future Missions Preparation Office is the high-speed delivery of planetary penetrators to sample and analyse the surface and immediate subsurface of a planet or moon. Planetary penetrators are mini spacecraft that contain a suite of instruments, but they land at high speed - tens to hundreds of kilometres per hour - compared with the conventional 'soft-landers' that have previously been used in planetary or lunar exploration. One benefit over landers and rovers is that penetrators provide access to the subsurface without the need for additional drilling or digging. To test how well the penetrators and their precious instrument cargo would withstand slamming into the surface of a planet at high-speed, a team of scientists and engineers used a rocket test facility in Wales, UK, to propel their model penetrators into either sand or ice. By using these two very different materials, the team will learn more about how penetrators might respond if they were used on a mission to Mars or an icy satellite like Jupiter's moon Europa, for example. The 20 kg penetrators were powered by 12 solid-propellant boosters to reach an impact speed of 341 m/s - just under the speed of sound. The movie presented here shows the spectacular impact into 10 tonnes of ice, in slow motion since the entire test only lasted 1.5 seconds. The sudden deceleration of the penetrator as it struck the ice reached 24 000 g. For comparison, astronauts typically experience 3-4g when they are launched from Earth into space. The ice immediately shattered, before crumbling into crushed ice grains. Afterwards, the penetrator was retrieved intact, albeit scuffed from the encounter and slightly dented where it struck the roof of the enclosure. Testing in the coming weeks will reveal exactly how the penetrator's internal structure survived the impact. The next main phase of development will focus on the battery and communications systems that would also be needed to survive the extremely high forces. Even though penetrators are not part of any mission currently being planned by ESA, it is important to test the feasibility of new technologies in order to provide a wider range of mission opportunities in the years to come. For a detailed journal report of the tests, including more videos of both the ice and sand tests, see High-speed tests demonstrate space penetrator concept on ESA's Science Technology pages. The ice impact was carried out on 11 July and the sand impact on 16 July at the rocket sled facility at the UK Ministry of Defence Pendine site in Wales. The tests were part of ESA's Core Technology Programme for Cosmic Vision, which is supervised by the Future Missions Preparation Office. The penetrator development programme is being led by Astrium UK, with involvement by Mullard Space Science Laboratory, Qinetiq and Rapid Space Technologies. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk commemerative plaque
Russia? ;-) Seriously though that would be really cool to have alongside samples in a display...let us know if you manage to find a source. G On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Martin Goff msgmeteori...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I wonder if anyone could help me in finding out where i can acquire one of these plaques mentioned in the article below. (http://www.ura.ru/content/svrd/22-06-2013/news/1052160061.html) Any assistance would be much appreciated :-) Cheers Martin -- Martin Goff www.msg-meteorites.co.uk IMCA #3387 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite hunter takes £10,000 rock to auction - And a particularly BAD quote
Thank you Malcolm and Mendy, Yes, the Guardian joins the NewYork Times on our list of newspapers to avoid. Personally the only publication I will give an interview to anymore is Astronomy Magazine. Thank you David Eicher! Maybe the UK members of the MetList (Graham, Martin, Jim, Peter,.) will contact the Guardian, the Auction House and Rob Elliott and explain to them how wrong they are. And Chelyabinsk, I have plenty of them, the 3kilos mass I presented on Picture of the Day is sold, but I have more (thin-sections too!) and yes, they certainly can be shipped from Russia. Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com impact...@aol.com -Original Message- From: Malcolm S Pringle mprin...@mit.edu To: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Mon, Aug 19, 2013 9:41 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite hunter takes £10,000 rock to auction - And a particularly BAD quote Hi, all -- Further to Mendy's comments -- I'm a list newbie (I joined to help acquire a mini-teaching collection to use in K-12 schools in the Boston area) -- but I had seen the original article, and found it amusing enough that I almost pointed it out to you all a couple of days ago: http://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/aug/16/hambleton-chelyabinsk-meteorite-auction-rob-elliott In other words, this was in the Guardian, supposedly one of the more reputable newspapers worldwide (for example, the lead investigatory paper in the Snowden/NSA stories), attributed to the Press Association (supposedly one of the UK's leading news organizations, http://www.pressassociation.com). There wasn't an option to comment on the article directly, and the Press Association doesn't appear to have an ombudsman, but here is the press officer / communications manager, in case anyone with more experience/local UK perspective wants to take up the gauntlet: sean.ott...@pressassociation.com The most amusing misinformation seemed to be in the figure caption: Other items to be auctioned include one of the only pieces of the Russian meteorite Chelyabinsk to have made it to the west [well, not quite accurate, with like 300+ active auctions on ebay as of this morning alone ...] ;-) As usual, reiterates that we have to be careful what info we get from even the good news outlets. Also, as Mendy suggests, how careful we need to be when we ourselves are the source of information? -- Malcolm Quoting Mendy Ouzillou ouzil...@yahoo.com: http://www.astrowatch.net/2013/08/meteorite-hunter-takes-1-rock-to.html Dear list members, This is an interesting article but what really caught my eye was the following quote: The Russian government told the local residents that they would arrest anyone selling pieces of the meteorite overseas, so my contact had to disguise the airmail package and mix the meteorites with pieces of electronic equipment to hide them, The intricacies of Russian export laws are as dense as as any Russian novel and less decipherable as highlighted by some of our own conversations regarding the topic. This quote unfortunately removes any doubt that the Chelyabinsk meteorites were smuggled out and only reinforces the misconception that our (a)vocation is run like a black market. I am sure that the actual interview was filled with more details and clarifying comments, but that is clearly NOT what was printed. Dealing with the press is a skill like any other that requires training and experience. At the very least ask for the questions in advance and respond by email if at all possible. The most important thing to do is to ask for the ability to review and make edits to the article BEFORE agreeing to doing the interview. Though you will figure out easily who was quoted, this is not about the individual. I was not there during the interview (obviously) and can't say what was or was not said. I really just want to highlight this story as a cautionary tale. As a final thought, not all reporters are bad or out to get people. They have a job to do and are motivated by a different set of requirements than what we may understand. They want a good story and you (may) want the public recognition. This is a symbiotic relationship, but if you do not understand how the game is played, you will likely get played. Sincerely, Mendy Ouzillou __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list == If you don't feed the teachers, they will eat the children. Anonymous teacher, told to Linda Albert, Cooperative Discipline, 1996. == But none of that will transform education if we fail to cherish -- and challenge -- the human heart that is the source of good teaching. Parker J Palmer, The Courage to
Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk commemerative plaque
I have tried everywhere Graham. Tried combing Russian internet sites on google translate but no joy. Serge has no idea either. Will keep on searching but if anyone finds anything out then please let me know :-) Cheers Martin On 19 August 2013 19:39, Graham Ensor graham.en...@gmail.com wrote: Russia? ;-) Seriously though that would be really cool to have alongside samples in a display...let us know if you manage to find a source. G On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Martin Goff msgmeteori...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I wonder if anyone could help me in finding out where i can acquire one of these plaques mentioned in the article below. (http://www.ura.ru/content/svrd/22-06-2013/news/1052160061.html) Any assistance would be much appreciated :-) Cheers Martin -- Martin Goff www.msg-meteorites.co.uk IMCA #3387 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Martin Goff www.msg-meteorites.co.uk IMCA #3387 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk commemerative plaque
Have you tried it here? Kaslinsky Steel Works LLC Plant Kaslinsky architectural and artistic casting 456830, Chelyabinsk Region., Kasli, st. Sovetskaya, 68/1 http://translate.google.de/translate?hl=desl=rutl=enu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kac3.ru http://translate.google.de/translate?hl=desl=rutl=enu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kac3.ru http://www.kac3.ru/ Von: Martin Goff msgmeteori...@gmail.com An: Graham Ensor .ensor@gmail.comgraham Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk commemerative plaque Datum: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 21:14:05 +0200 I have tried everywhere Graham. Tried combing Russian internet sites on google translate but no joy. Serge has no idea either. Will keep on searching but if anyone finds anything out then please let me know :-) Cheers Martin On 19 August 2013 19:39, Graham Ensor graham.en...@gmail.com wrote: Russia? ;-) Seriously though that would be really cool to have alongside samples in a display...let us know if you manage to find a source. G On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Martin Goff msgmeteori...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I wonder if anyone could help me in finding out where i can acquire one of these plaques mentioned in the article below. (http://www.ura.ru/content/svrd/22-06-2013/news/1052160061.html) Any assistance would be much appreciated :-) Cheers Martin -- Martin Goff www.msg-meteorites.co.uk IMCA #3387 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Martin Goff www.msg-meteorites.co.uk IMCA #3387 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Postfach fast voll? Jetzt kostenlos E-Mail Adresse @t-online.de sichern und endlich Platz für tausende Mails haben. http://www.t-online.de/email-kostenlos __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk commemerative plaque
Hi Martin, I tried there but heard back from my enquiry that they don't make it there. There seem to be quite a few foundrys that make cast iron items in the region but no joy tracing the right one yet. Thanks for the info though :-) Cheers Martin On 19 August 2013 20:28, karmaka karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de wrote: Have you tried it here? Kaslinsky Steel Works LLC Plant Kaslinsky architectural and artistic casting 456830, Chelyabinsk Region., Kasli, st. Sovetskaya, 68/1 http://translate.google.de/translate?hl=desl=rutl=enu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kac3.ru http://translate.google.de/translate?hl=desl=rutl=enu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kac3.ru http://www.kac3.ru/ Von: Martin Goff msgmeteori...@gmail.com An: Graham Ensor .ensor@gmail.comgraham Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk commemerative plaque Datum: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 21:14:05 +0200 I have tried everywhere Graham. Tried combing Russian internet sites on google translate but no joy. Serge has no idea either. Will keep on searching but if anyone finds anything out then please let me know :-) Cheers Martin On 19 August 2013 19:39, Graham Ensor graham.en...@gmail.com wrote: Russia? ;-) Seriously though that would be really cool to have alongside samples in a display...let us know if you manage to find a source. G On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Martin Goff msgmeteori...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I wonder if anyone could help me in finding out where i can acquire one of these plaques mentioned in the article below. (http://www.ura.ru/content/svrd/22-06-2013/news/1052160061.html) Any assistance would be much appreciated :-) Cheers Martin -- Martin Goff www.msg-meteorites.co.uk IMCA #3387 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Martin Goff www.msg-meteorites.co.uk IMCA #3387 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Postfach fast voll? Jetzt kostenlos E-Mail Adresse @t-online.de sichern und endlich Platz für tausende Mails haben. http://www.t-online.de/email-kostenlos -- Martin Goff www.msg-meteorites.co.uk IMCA #3387 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk commemerative plaque
I just found this. The bronze medal for 1000 rubles seems to be available still: http://translate.google.de/translate?hl=desl=rutl=enu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ural-antik.ru%2Findex.php%3Fukey%3Dsearch%26searchstring%3D%25D0%25BC%25D0%25B5%25D1%2582%25D0%25B5%25D0%25BE%25D1%2580%25D0%25B8%25D1%2582sandbox=1 http://www.ural-antik.ru/index.php?ukey=searchsearchstring=%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%82 Martin Von: Martin Goff msgmeteori...@gmail.com An: karmaka karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk commemerative plaque Datum: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 21:36:16 +0200 Hi Martin, I tried there but heard back from my enquiry that they don't make it there. There seem to be quite a few foundrys that make cast iron items in the region but no joy tracing the right one yet. Thanks for the info though :-) Cheers Martin On 19 August 2013 20:28, karmaka karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de wrote: Have you tried it here? Kaslinsky Steel Works LLC Plant Kaslinsky architectural and artistic casting 456830, Chelyabinsk Region., Kasli, st. Sovetskaya, 68/1 http://translate.google.de/translate?hl=desl=rutl=enu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kac3.ru http://translate.google.de/translate?hl=desl=rutl=enu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kac3.ru http://www.kac3.ru/ Von: Martin Goff msgmeteori...@gmail.com An: Graham Ensor .ensor@gmail.comgraham Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk commemerative plaque Datum: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 21:14:05 +0200 I have tried everywhere Graham. Tried combing Russian internet sites on google translate but no joy. Serge has no idea either. Will keep on searching but if anyone finds anything out then please let me know :-) Cheers Martin On 19 August 2013 19:39, Graham Ensor graham.en...@gmail.com wrote: Russia? ;-) Seriously though that would be really cool to have alongside samples in a display...let us know if you manage to find a source. G On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Martin Goff msgmeteori...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I wonder if anyone could help me in finding out where i can acquire one of these plaques mentioned in the article below. (http://www.ura.ru/content/svrd/22-06-2013/news/1052160061.html) Any assistance would be much appreciated :-) Cheers Martin -- Martin Goff www.msg-meteorites.co.uk IMCA #3387 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Martin Goff www.msg-meteorites.co.uk IMCA #3387 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Postfach fast voll? Jetzt kostenlos E-Mail Adresse @t-online.de sichern und endlich Platz für tausende Mails haben. http://www.t-online.de/email-kostenlos -- Martin Goff www.msg-meteorites.co.uk IMCA #3387 Postfach fast voll? Jetzt kostenlos E-Mail Adresse @t-online.de sichern und endlich Platz für tausende Mails haben. http://www.t-online.de/email-kostenlos __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk coins
Already got one Mike :-) Cheers Martin On 19 August 2013 21:12, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: http://www.catchafallingstar.com/temp/meteoritecoins.htm You could also buy a gorgeous coin with nice meteorite piece in it. We made 2000 and are down to less than 100 coins left. Sold out in less than 2 months. Last chance to get one before they are all gone. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Aug 19, 2013, at 12:56 PM, karmaka karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de wrote: I just found this. The bronze medal for 1000 rubles seems to be available still: http://translate.google.de/translate?hl=desl=rutl=enu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ural-antik.ru%2Findex.php%3Fukey%3Dsearch%26searchstring%3D%25D0%25BC%25D0%25B5%25D1%2582%25D0%25B5%25D0%25BE%25D1%2580%25D0%25B8%25D1%2582sandbox=1 http://www.ural-antik.ru/index.php?ukey=searchsearchstring=%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%82 Martin Von: Martin Goff msgmeteori...@gmail.com An: karmaka karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk commemerative plaque Datum: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 21:36:16 +0200 Hi Martin, I tried there but heard back from my enquiry that they don't make it there. There seem to be quite a few foundrys that make cast iron items in the region but no joy tracing the right one yet. Thanks for the info though :-) Cheers Martin On 19 August 2013 20:28, karmaka karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de wrote: Have you tried it here? Kaslinsky Steel Works LLC Plant Kaslinsky architectural and artistic casting 456830, Chelyabinsk Region., Kasli, st. Sovetskaya, 68/1 http://translate.google.de/translate?hl=desl=rutl=enu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kac3.ru http://translate.google.de/translate?hl=desl=rutl=enu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kac3.ru http://www.kac3.ru/ Von: Martin Goff msgmeteori...@gmail.com An: Graham Ensor .ensor@gmail.comgraham Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk commemerative plaque Datum: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 21:14:05 +0200 I have tried everywhere Graham. Tried combing Russian internet sites on google translate but no joy. Serge has no idea either. Will keep on searching but if anyone finds anything out then please let me know :-) Cheers Martin On 19 August 2013 19:39, Graham Ensor graham.en...@gmail.com wrote: Russia? ;-) Seriously though that would be really cool to have alongside samples in a display...let us know if you manage to find a source. G On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Martin Goff msgmeteori...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I wonder if anyone could help me in finding out where i can acquire one of these plaques mentioned in the article below. (http://www.ura.ru/content/svrd/22-06-2013/news/1052160061.html) Any assistance would be much appreciated :-) Cheers Martin -- Martin Goff www.msg-meteorites.co.uk IMCA #3387 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Martin Goff www.msg-meteorites.co.uk IMCA #3387 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Postfach fast voll? Jetzt kostenlos E-Mail Adresse @t-online.de sichern und endlich Platz für tausende Mails haben. http://www.t-online.de/email-kostenlos -- Martin Goff www.msg-meteorites.co.uk IMCA #3387 Postfach fast voll? Jetzt kostenlos E-Mail Adresse @t-online.de sichern und endlich Platz für tausende Mails haben. http://www.t-online.de/email-kostenlos __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Martin Goff www.msg-meteorites.co.uk IMCA #3387 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk coins
Mike Farmer wrote: You could also buy a gorgeous coin with nice meteorite piece in it. We made 2000 and are down to less than 100 coins left. Sold out in less than 2 months. Last chance to get one before they are all gone. Martin Goff responded: Already got one Mike :-) and #1634 ... is in my collection ! ;-) Cheers, Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] [AD]: Back from vacation, back on eBay
Hello fellow Met-Heads, I returned from a wonderful and relaxing vacation with the family and am ready to get back into it. I just listed 9 items on eBay you may find of interest: http://www.ebay.com/sch/mendyo/m.html I also have a few slices left of a wonderful, new CO3.0 (not ugly like Colony) called NWA 7892. Most slices have already been bought by institutions, but I have a few remaining slices and can cut a little more if demand outstrips the present supply. Please respond privately for photos and pricing. Regards, Mendy Ouzillou IMCA #8395 MetSoc member Native English Reviewer for Meteorites Scientific Journal (http://www.meteorites.pwr.wroc.pl/magazine.html) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fwd: Meteorite hunter takes £10,000 rock to auction - And a part
On behalf of Rob Elliott: And Thank you Rob, it is good to hear from you. Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com impact...@aol.com -Original Message- From: FERNLEA4 fernl...@aol.com To: impactika impact...@aol.com Sent: Mon, Aug 19, 2013 2:54 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite hunter takes £10,000 rock to auction - And a part will contact the Guardian, the Auction House and Rob Elliott and explain to them how wrong they are. Hi Anne. Hope all is well with you. Don't worry, I'm not that naive!! :-) I may no longer be one of the major meteorite dealers, but I'm still as involved with the meteorite world as I ever was. I haven't posted to the List in perhaps 10 years, yet I still lurk. To explain... In my case, press releases are written by a third party, usually with little or no knowledge of meteorites, but with a whole bunch of enthusiasm. Perhaps a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing. I rarely get to read and approve them, sadly. The press releases are then sent to newspapers, radio, tv, etc. and more often than not, sensationalised before going to press. Depending on the publication, accuracy isn't always a priority. Another publication or a press agency may take part of that printed article, add their own flavour to it, possibly call me for a quote (not always), and then print it. And so it goes on.it can end up being a game of Chinese Whispers, where the finished article bears little resemblence to the original release or quotes given. I don't even remember speaking with The Guardian, so I'm pretty sure the journalist took third, fourth or even fifth-hand information, and did his best. There have been some excellent articles about my auction, and some poorly written articles with a whole bunch or errors and paragraphs simply made-up. Regarding the smuggling rubbish, I was horrified to read that. I remember saying something along the lines of how the Russian Government, had quickly clamped down on all of those in and around Chelyabinsk, who were selling fake meteorites within hours of the fall, even bits of mud and earth from the town, and claiming some sort of weird meteorite significance, just for a bit of profit. I received many pieces of Chelyabinsk from Russia, all with the hefty UK import duty and value added tax charges paid in full, and with the paperwork to prove it. I've been collecting meteorites for 20 years and I learned how the media works long ago. It's not something to take on lightly, especially if it goes national or world-wide. Sadly, some journalists don't let the facts get in the way of a good story!! If you could post this to the List on my behalf, I'd be very grateful. Cheers, Rob. Rob Elliott www.meteorites.uk.com Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Telephone: 01592-751563 Mobile: 07880-888660 International Tel: +44-1592-751563 Email: fernl...@aol.com Laptop #1 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NASA Brings Out the Big Gun for Asteroid Impact Science
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2013/08/a-scientist-and-his-gun/all/ NASA Brings Out the Big Gun for Asteroid Impact Science By Adam Mann Wired Magazine August 19, 2013 MOUNTAIN VIEW, Calif. - Just before he gets ready to fire a projectile down the 14-foot barrel of a vertical gun, planetary scientist Peter Schultz turns to me and gives an apologetic smile. There's something you have to do, he says, as his graduate student snickers. You have to assume the Gault position. The Gault position, it turns out, involves crossing your index finger over your middle, your ring finger over your pinkie, then crossing your two arms over one another and finally crossing your legs (while standing). Schultz assumes it, explaining that it serves as a good luck measure, as does his graduate student and the other engineers in the gun control room. I comply, as does WIRED photographer Ariel Zambelich. We're armed, someone calls. Voltage looks good. A klaxon buzzes and, seconds later, there's the sound of a powerful explosion from the next room over. A burst of flame and sand appears on the computer screen in front of us and, just like that, the NASA Ames Vertical Gun range has provided a new data point for science. The gun is a fantastic tool for studying the effects of meteorite impacts on different places in the solar system. You see, Earth is something of an anomaly. Most other rocky bodies are covered in countless craters ranging from the size of continents down to the size of sand grains. The active tectonics of our planet recycle its crust, erasing the long-term scars that come from living in a solar system full of debris. But just about every other terrestrial planet, moon, asteroid, and comet is coated in pockmarks, a testament to how pervasive and important impacts have been in our solar system's history. Over the course of its nearly 50-year career, the gun range been used to figure out why the scars of an impact look different on Mars than they do on Venus. It has helped explain how the man on the moon could have gotten his face. And it has provided key data for many NASA missions, in particular the Deep Impact spacecraft, which shot a projectile into an asteroid. Peter Schultz, who teaches geoscience at Brown University, has done much of this research. He's worked at the gun range for 33 years, becoming its principal investigator in 2012, and he knows a great deal about its history and lore. Though it's called a gun, the facility doesn't look much like any firearm you've ever seen. The main chassis is a long metal barrel as thick as a cannon mounted on an enormous red pole that forks at the end into two legs. The red pole was once used to hold MIM-14 Nike-Hercules missiles that served as an anti-ballistic defense against Soviet nuclear warheads, Schultz explains. This complex is pointed at a huge rotund cylinder and can be moved up and down in 15-degree increments to simulate a meteorite strike at different angles. The entire machine is housed in a 3-story industrial building here at NASA's Ames campus. At the far end of the barrel, a gunpowder explosion is used to compress hydrogen gas to as much as 1 million times atmospheric pressure. The compressed gas gets released and sent down the launch tube, firing a projectile pellet at speeds between 7,000 and 15,000 mph. The shot enters the cylinder, in which low pressure or even a vacuum is maintained, and hits a dish filled with different material that simulates whatever planetary body researchers are studying. High-speed cameras mounted on windows around the cylinder record the impact aftermath at up to 1 million frames per second. The origin of both the facility and the odd position I was compelled to take stem from planetologist Donald Gault, who designed and used the range to study impacts on the moon. Built in 1965, the gun range helped interpret information returned from the Ranger probes, which crashed into the lunar surface during the Apollo era. Scientists weren't sure of the exact composition of the regolith at the time and needed to know before attempting to land people there. There were reports at the time that it was going to be really, really fluffy, said Schultz. There was one document that said the astronauts would land and then sink out of sight. Using data from the gun, Gault helped figure out that the Apollo astronauts weren't going to die by lunar quicksand. After NASA finished its goal of safely landing and returning astronauts, Gault continued using the gun range to study the formation of craters on the moon. When he retired, NASA planned to mothball the gun but an outcry from the planetary science community re-opened the firing range as a national facility. It was during this time that Schultz, who had worked with Gault as a post-doc, was hired to take over as science coordinator for the gun range. The day WIRED visited the gun, Schultz and his graduate
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite hunter takes £10,000 rock to auction - And a particularly BAD quote
In my experience of complaining about the rubbish reported in newspapers I have never even had the courtesy of a reply...just not worth itthey may listen to Rob perhaps? Graham On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 8:01 PM, Anne Black impact...@aol.com wrote: Thank you Malcolm and Mendy, Yes, the Guardian joins the NewYork Times on our list of newspapers to avoid. Personally the only publication I will give an interview to anymore is Astronomy Magazine. Thank you David Eicher! Maybe the UK members of the MetList (Graham, Martin, Jim, Peter,.) will contact the Guardian, the Auction House and Rob Elliott and explain to them how wrong they are. And Chelyabinsk, I have plenty of them, the 3kilos mass I presented on Picture of the Day is sold, but I have more (thin-sections too!) and yes, they certainly can be shipped from Russia. Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com impact...@aol.com -Original Message- From: Malcolm S Pringle mprin...@mit.edu To: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Mon, Aug 19, 2013 9:41 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite hunter takes £10,000 rock to auction - And a particularly BAD quote Hi, all -- Further to Mendy's comments -- I'm a list newbie (I joined to help acquire a mini-teaching collection to use in K-12 schools in the Boston area) -- but I had seen the original article, and found it amusing enough that I almost pointed it out to you all a couple of days ago: http://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/aug/16/hambleton-chelyabinsk-meteorite-auction-rob-elliott In other words, this was in the Guardian, supposedly one of the more reputable newspapers worldwide (for example, the lead investigatory paper in the Snowden/NSA stories), attributed to the Press Association (supposedly one of the UK's leading news organizations, http://www.pressassociation.com). There wasn't an option to comment on the article directly, and the Press Association doesn't appear to have an ombudsman, but here is the press officer / communications manager, in case anyone with more experience/local UK perspective wants to take up the gauntlet: sean.ott...@pressassociation.com The most amusing misinformation seemed to be in the figure caption: Other items to be auctioned include one of the only pieces of the Russian meteorite Chelyabinsk to have made it to the west [well, not quite accurate, with like 300+ active auctions on ebay as of this morning alone ...] ;-) As usual, reiterates that we have to be careful what info we get from even the good news outlets. Also, as Mendy suggests, how careful we need to be when we ourselves are the source of information? -- Malcolm Quoting Mendy Ouzillou ouzil...@yahoo.com: http://www.astrowatch.net/2013/08/meteorite-hunter-takes-1-rock-to.html Dear list members, This is an interesting article but what really caught my eye was the following quote: The Russian government told the local residents that they would arrest anyone selling pieces of the meteorite overseas, so my contact had to disguise the airmail package and mix the meteorites with pieces of electronic equipment to hide them, The intricacies of Russian export laws are as dense as as any Russian novel and less decipherable as highlighted by some of our own conversations regarding the topic. This quote unfortunately removes any doubt that the Chelyabinsk meteorites were smuggled out and only reinforces the misconception that our (a)vocation is run like a black market. I am sure that the actual interview was filled with more details and clarifying comments, but that is clearly NOT what was printed. Dealing with the press is a skill like any other that requires training and experience. At the very least ask for the questions in advance and respond by email if at all possible. The most important thing to do is to ask for the ability to review and make edits to the article BEFORE agreeing to doing the interview. Though you will figure out easily who was quoted, this is not about the individual. I was not there during the interview (obviously) and can't say what was or was not said. I really just want to highlight this story as a cautionary tale. As a final thought, not all reporters are bad or out to get people. They have a job to do and are motivated by a different set of requirements than what we may understand. They want a good story and you (may) want the public recognition. This is a symbiotic relationship, but if you do not understand how the game is played, you will likely get played. Sincerely, Mendy Ouzillou __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list == If you don't feed the teachers, they will eat the children.
[meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk Russia Meteorite smuggling and Rob Elliot Newspaper Story
Graham and list, I find it odd that the Guardian Newspaper reporter was able to pull the details of packaging the meteorites carefully hidden with electronic equipment for the smuggling through the mails out of thin air? I would guess the British press reports about what they are told or do they just make it up as they go? Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo From: Graham Ensor graham.en...@gmail.com To: Anne Black impact...@aol.com Cc: mprin...@mit.edu; meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 6:59 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list]Meteorite hunter takes £10,000 rock to auction - And a particularly BAD quote In my experience of complaining about the rubbish reported in newspapers I have never even had the courtesy of a reply...just not worth itthey may listen to Rob perhaps? Graham On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 8:01 PM, Anne Black impact...@aol.com wrote: Thank you Malcolm and Mendy, Yes, the Guardian joins the NewYork Times on our list of newspapers to avoid. Personally the only publication I will give an interview to anymore is Astronomy Magazine. Thank you David Eicher! Maybe the UK members of the MetList (Graham, Martin, Jim, Peter,.) will contact the Guardian, the Auction House and Rob Elliott and explain to them how wrong they are. And Chelyabinsk, I have plenty of them, the 3kilos mass I presented on Picture of the Day is sold, but I have more (thin-sections too!) and yes, they certainly can be shipped from Russia. Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com impact...@aol.com -Original Message- From: Malcolm S Pringle mprin...@mit.edu To: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Mon, Aug 19, 2013 9:41 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite hunter takes £10,000 rock to auction - And a particularly BAD quote Hi, all -- Further to Mendy's comments -- I'm a list newbie (I joined to help acquire a mini-teaching collection to use in K-12 schools in the Boston area) -- but I had seen the original article, and found it amusing enough that I almost pointed it out to you all a couple of days ago: http://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/aug/16/hambleton-chelyabinsk-meteorite-auction-rob-elliott In other words, this was in the Guardian, supposedly one of the more reputable newspapers worldwide (for example, the lead investigatory paper in the Snowden/NSA stories), attributed to the Press Association (supposedly one of the UK's leading news organizations, http://www.pressassociation.com). There wasn't an option to comment on the article directly, and the Press Association doesn't appear to have an ombudsman, but here is the press officer / communications manager, in case anyone with more experience/local UK perspective wants to take up the gauntlet: sean.ott...@pressassociation.com The most amusing misinformation seemed to be in the figure caption: Other items to be auctioned include one of the only pieces of the Russian meteorite Chelyabinsk to have made it to the west [well, not quite accurate, with like 300+ active auctions on ebay as of this morning alone ...] ;-) As usual, reiterates that we have to be careful what info we get from even the good news outlets. Also, as Mendy suggests, how careful we need to be when we ourselves are the source of information? -- Malcolm Quoting Mendy Ouzillou ouzil...@yahoo.com: http://www.astrowatch.net/2013/08/meteorite-hunter-takes-1-rock-to.html Dear list members, This is an interesting article but what really caught my eye was the following quote: The Russian government told the local residents that they would arrest anyone selling pieces of the meteorite overseas, so my contact had to disguise the airmail package and mix the meteorites with pieces of electronic equipment to hide them, The intricacies of Russian export laws are as dense as as any Russian novel and less decipherable as highlighted by some of our own conversations regarding the topic. This quote unfortunately removes any doubt that the Chelyabinsk meteorites were smuggled out and only reinforces the misconception that our (a)vocation is run like a black market. I am sure that the actual interview was filled with more details and clarifying comments, but that is clearly NOT what was printed. Dealing with the press is a skill like any other that requires training and experience. At the very least ask for the questions in advance and respond by email if at all possible. The most important thing to do is to ask for the ability to review and make edits to the article BEFORE agreeing to doing the interview. Though you will figure out easily who was quoted, this is not about the individual. I was not there during the interview (obviously) and can't say what was or was not said. I really just want to highlight this story as a cautionary tale. As a final thought, not all reporters are bad or out
Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk Russia Meteorite smuggling and Rob Elliot Newspaper Story
Everyone is bashing the British press reports on all counts, but this is what I know about the early exportation of Chelyabinsk. Within days of the February 15th fall, the Russian Duma Committee did declare exportation off-limits (seemingly to protect Russian scientists to have access to material for research) and the Ministry of Culture rejected all applications for meteorite exportation. At this point, at least one independent seller of Chelyabinsk was hiding the Russian meteorites in vintage analog vacuum tubes when shipping them out of the country. Others followed suit by hiding meteorites within macrame figures and other innocuous objects. These bits of information were probably not supplied by Elliot, but any journalist could have ferreted them out, and they appear to be early reports as the reference to Elliot's specimen being one of the only pieces of the Russian meteorite Chelyabinsk to have made it to the west… is clearly inaccurate. gary On Aug 19, 2013, at 12:12 PM, drtanuki drtan...@yahoo.com wrote: Graham and list, I find it odd that the Guardian Newspaper reporter was able to pull the details of packaging the meteorites carefully hidden with electronic equipment for the smuggling through the mails out of thin air? I would guess the British press reports about what they are told or do they just make it up as they go? Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo From: Graham Ensor graham.en...@gmail.com To: Anne Black impact...@aol.com Cc: mprin...@mit.edu; meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 6:59 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list]Meteorite hunter takes £10,000 rock to auction - And a particularly BAD quote In my experience of complaining about the rubbish reported in newspapers I have never even had the courtesy of a reply...just not worth itthey may listen to Rob perhaps? Graham On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 8:01 PM, Anne Black impact...@aol.com wrote: Thank you Malcolm and Mendy, Yes, the Guardian joins the NewYork Times on our list of newspapers to avoid. Personally the only publication I will give an interview to anymore is Astronomy Magazine. Thank you David Eicher! Maybe the UK members of the MetList (Graham, Martin, Jim, Peter,.) will contact the Guardian, the Auction House and Rob Elliott and explain to them how wrong they are. And Chelyabinsk, I have plenty of them, the 3kilos mass I presented on Picture of the Day is sold, but I have more (thin-sections too!) and yes, they certainly can be shipped from Russia. Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com impact...@aol.com -Original Message- From: Malcolm S Pringle mprin...@mit.edu To: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Mon, Aug 19, 2013 9:41 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite hunter takes £10,000 rock to auction - And a particularly BAD quote Hi, all -- Further to Mendy's comments -- I'm a list newbie (I joined to help acquire a mini-teaching collection to use in K-12 schools in the Boston area) -- but I had seen the original article, and found it amusing enough that I almost pointed it out to you all a couple of days ago: http://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/aug/16/hambleton-chelyabinsk-meteorite-auction-rob-elliott In other words, this was in the Guardian, supposedly one of the more reputable newspapers worldwide (for example, the lead investigatory paper in the Snowden/NSA stories), attributed to the Press Association (supposedly one of the UK's leading news organizations, http://www.pressassociation.com). There wasn't an option to comment on the article directly, and the Press Association doesn't appear to have an ombudsman, but here is the press officer / communications manager, in case anyone with more experience/local UK perspective wants to take up the gauntlet: sean.ott...@pressassociation.com The most amusing misinformation seemed to be in the figure caption: Other items to be auctioned include one of the only pieces of the Russian meteorite Chelyabinsk to have made it to the west [well, not quite accurate, with like 300+ active auctions on ebay as of this morning alone ...] ;-) As usual, reiterates that we have to be careful what info we get from even the good news outlets. Also, as Mendy suggests, how careful we need to be when we ourselves are the source of information? -- Malcolm Quoting Mendy Ouzillou ouzil...@yahoo.com: http://www.astrowatch.net/2013/08/meteorite-hunter-takes-1-rock-to.html Dear list members, This is an interesting article but what really caught my eye was the following quote: The Russian government told the local residents that they would arrest anyone selling pieces of the meteorite overseas, so my contact had to disguise the airmail package and mix the meteorites with pieces of electronic equipment to hide them, The
[meteorite-list] Ancient Egyptian Jewelry Made From Meteorites
Hello All, There were several articles out today on this topic. This one from Popular Science had a more detailed explanation, including a link to the Wikipedia page on Widmanstätten patterns, and a nice picture of some of the Egyptian bead artifacts: http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2013-08/confirmed-egyptian-jewelry-came-meteorites. Best regards, Daniel Daniel Noyes Genuine Moon Mars Meteorite Rocks i...@moonmarsrocks.com www.moonmarsrocks.com ebay: danovanni __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
