[meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day
Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: Glorieta Mountain Contributed by: Anne Black http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpodmain.asp __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://three.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] RIP Professor Colin Pillinger
Hi all, Sad news today on the passing of a space science legend Colin Pillinger. He died suddenly of a brain haemorrhage last night. He was a truly dedicated and inspirational man whose infectious enthusiasm for science was passed onto many over the years. Up until last week I was in regular correspondence with Colin mostly about the subject of Wold Cottage and especially of the story of Major Edward Topham. He was working on a long term book project about Topham's life and it was this we discussed during out last conversation. I had acquired some original documents and artwork by Edward Topham that Colin was interested in. One thing I will always remember above all about him is his dry sense of humour and wit that made every conversation with him a joy. The asteroid 15614 Pillinger that is named after him is only a tiny part of his huge legacy but one that I will remember him by everytime I gaze spacewards. Brilliant but a bit bonkers is one of the most all encompassing quotes I have read about him today and one that rings very true. He was a true British boffin. I know I posted this before but for anyone that didn't see it then please take an hour out of your day to watch this lecture by Colin and witness the warmth, wit and character of one of the greats of space science. https://royalsociety.org/events/2012/stones-from-the-sky/ He will be sorely missed by many. Sincerely Martin Martin Goff www.msg-meteorites.co.uk IMCA #3387 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://three.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] RIP Professor Colin Pillinger
Yes Martin he will be sorely missed. Met him several times in my early days of meteorite collecting at a display I did at Derby University...a very kind and friendly bloke who I was liaising with recently about the Barwell Meteorite fall 50th anniversary next year. Rest in peace amongst the stars Colin. On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Martin Goff via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote: Hi all, Sad news today on the passing of a space science legend Colin Pillinger. He died suddenly of a brain haemorrhage last night. He was a truly dedicated and inspirational man whose infectious enthusiasm for science was passed onto many over the years. Up until last week I was in regular correspondence with Colin mostly about the subject of Wold Cottage and especially of the story of Major Edward Topham. He was working on a long term book project about Topham's life and it was this we discussed during out last conversation. I had acquired some original documents and artwork by Edward Topham that Colin was interested in. One thing I will always remember above all about him is his dry sense of humour and wit that made every conversation with him a joy. The asteroid 15614 Pillinger that is named after him is only a tiny part of his huge legacy but one that I will remember him by everytime I gaze spacewards. Brilliant but a bit bonkers is one of the most all encompassing quotes I have read about him today and one that rings very true. He was a true British boffin. I know I posted this before but for anyone that didn't see it then please take an hour out of your day to watch this lecture by Colin and witness the warmth, wit and character of one of the greats of space science. https://royalsociety.org/events/2012/stones-from-the-sky/ He will be sorely missed by many. Sincerely Martin Martin Goff www.msg-meteorites.co.uk IMCA #3387 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://three.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://three.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] RIP Professor Colin Pillinger
Yes, Sad news indeed- A genuine space legend, he will be sadly missed, my thoughts to his family, friends and colleagues at the OU, thinking of them also. Mark -Original Message- From: Meteorite-list [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Martin Goff via Meteorite-list Sent: 08 May 2014 12:49 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] RIP Professor Colin Pillinger Hi all, Sad news today on the passing of a space science legend Colin Pillinger. He died suddenly of a brain haemorrhage last night. He was a truly dedicated and inspirational man whose infectious enthusiasm for science was passed onto many over the years. Up until last week I was in regular correspondence with Colin mostly about the subject of Wold Cottage and especially of the story of Major Edward Topham. He was working on a long term book project about Topham's life and it was this we discussed during out last conversation. I had acquired some original documents and artwork by Edward Topham that Colin was interested in. One thing I will always remember above all about him is his dry sense of humour and wit that made every conversation with him a joy. The asteroid 15614 Pillinger that is named after him is only a tiny part of his huge legacy but one that I will remember him by everytime I gaze spacewards. Brilliant but a bit bonkers is one of the most all encompassing quotes I have read about him today and one that rings very true. He was a true British boffin. I know I posted this before but for anyone that didn't see it then please take an hour out of your day to watch this lecture by Colin and witness the warmth, wit and character of one of the greats of space science. https://royalsociety.org/events/2012/stones-from-the-sky/ He will be sorely missed by many. Sincerely Martin Martin Goff www.msg-meteorites.co.uk IMCA #3387 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://three.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://three.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Definitions of types of falls and finds
Mendy, Indian Butte is clearly a fall. I live in Tucson and this event made the local news big time. It was such a big event that the University of Arizona's leading (at the time) meteoriticist David kring took it upon himself to actually organize a posse to go out and get this meteorite. He actually went himself as he did many other times. I was one of the ones that headed out looking. I looked for 2 days myself. But, we all knew that some day it would be found. And you are correct. Recorded technology is what did the trick and made it possible to properly identify this as a 'fall. And again, to me this is a classic example of what a true Fall should be and is . Best, Carl Meteoritemax -- Love Life Mendy Ouzillou via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote: So far the response has been basically, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. However, doing so ignores changes in technology that enables us to identify meteors at specific locations in space and time and possible fall locations. Take Indian Butte for example. The MetBull identifies this meteorite as a Fall (witnessed) from 1998. However, the first specimen was not found until 2013. According to the feedback so far, this meteorite should then have been classified as a find. Indian Butte is only one example of the situation actually being broke - so in my mind, new information and new situations deserve a fresh perspective. By the way, I agree with the classification of it as a fall. Given only two present choices - fall is the most appropriate. I am in no way suggesting adding the many types of descriptors as proposed by Jeff, but I am proposing adding one more called the correlated fall. As technology improves, I believe we will be seeing more situations like Indian Butte where an event is captured, but material is not found for years after the event. Change is not always bad. :-) Mendy -Original Message- From: Michael Mulgrew [mailto:mikest...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2014 3:06 PM To: Carl Esparza Cc: Meteorite List; Mendy Ouzillou Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Definitions of types of falls and finds Fall, find, anything further is unnecessary clutter. All falls are finds, but not all finds are falls, the rest is just semantics. K.I.S.S. - Keep It Simple, Stupid Michael in so. Cal. On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 1:01 PM, cdtuc...@cox.net wrote: Mendy, All due respect to you and Jeff Grossman (one of our Royalty figures) but, to me a fall is either observed or there is great evidence like damage caused by the impact. All else is a find. Because after all, all finds are falls or how else would they be here? Best Rgards, Carl meteoritemax -- Love Life Mendy Ouzillou mendy.ouzil...@gmail.com wrote: I've been thinking about the email Jeff sent out some time back and wanted to propose a slightly different set of names and simplify the nomenclature. You can see Jeff's original email below. I think we have all struggled with defining meteorites that are neither observed falls nor finds and part of the reason is that we were conflating too many ideas. Observed fall: Observed to fall, either by eyewitnesses or with instruments. The event was well documented. Physical evidence associated with the collected meteorites is consistent with a fresh fall, or, when collection does not occur immediately, the strewn field location (if there is one) and appearance taking into account weathering associated with time on the ground, may be directly attributed to the fall. Correlated fall: No material was found immediately after an observed event, but later analysis and physical evidence conclusively points to an observed event on a specific date or within a very narrow range of dates. Find: Material was found and no event can be conclusively associated with an observed event. A find that appears like a fresh fall is still a find if no observed event can be associated with it. Feedback welcome. Mendy Ouzillou IMCA8393 -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Grossman Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 6:26 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day I should add: my first two categories are types of falls, whereas the last three are types of finds. Jeff On 1/5/2013 8:12 AM, Jeff Grossman wrote: In all seriousness, I have considered refining, or at least qualifying the definition of fall. The categories I've considered are these, and the definitions are first passes: Observed fall: observed to fall, either visually or with instruments, and collected soon after the event. The event was well documented. Physical evidence associated with the collected meteorites is consistent with a fresh fall, or, when collection does not occur immediately, directly points
Re: [meteorite-list] [Ad 1/52]: Art Glass and Meteorites
This item has sold. I will be posting another one soon, so if you are interested, please act quickly. These will not (as expected) last long as there are a very high number of Josh Simpson collectors. Best, Mendy _ From: Mendy Ouzillou [mailto:mendy.ouzil...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2014 6:55 PM To: 'Meteorite List' Subject: [Ad 1/52]: Art Glass and Meteorites Josh Simpson Art Glass 3 Inhabited Planet Paperweight - Chelyabinsk Meteorite eBay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=251525787344 For those not familiar with Josh Simpson's work, he is a world famous glass artist. His wife is an astronaut who coincidentally has also been to Antarctica with ANSMET. If interested in buying item outside of eBay, I can provide a $40 discount. Shipping is separate. As a glass artist myself and art glass collector, I own pieces of Josh Simpson's art glass including several of his Inhabited Planets. In June 2013, I decided to approach Josh regarding a joint collaboration to create an exclusive series of Inhabited Planets containing actual meteorites. With the anniversary of the Chelyabinsk fall coming up, we started working together to make it happen. First, there was the experimentation to make sure that the planets would be stable with the meteorite inclusions. In October, I received two prototype planets to evaluate and provide feedback. Then, in preparation for the anniversary of the fall that also coincided with the Tucson Gem Mineral show, Josh set about to create the first set of six Chelyabinsk Inhabited Planets. The meteorite was crushed and powdered and used to create the meteor trail and a piece of dichroic glass was used for the front of the fiery meteor. The pictures looked amazing, the planets were shipped to the hotel in Tucson ... and they were lost in transit never to be found again! As we both dealt with unfortunate loss, it was time to regroup and get the project started again. In April, I received safe and sound the shipment of six new 3 inhabited planets and two 3 globes - each unique and amazing. Of these I am keeping one Inhabited Planet, the two globes have sold and five planets remain. These VERY exclusive collectibles are NOT available from any gallery or dealer. There is also no guarantee that more of these will be produced and if more are produced later this year, the total production will be kept to less than 50 units. Not including the ones that were lost, there have been less than 15 Chelyabinsk planets created so far as Josh made a few for himself as well. Each planet is signed by Josh and engraved with Chelyabinsk Feb. 15, 2013 to commemorate the fall. These will also come with a SkyFall Meteorites certificate of authenticity. Regards, Mendy Ouzillou IMCA 8395 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://three.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] RIP Professor Colin Pillinger
Sad news indeed! My sincere condolences to his family and friends! The Wold Cottage Meteorite by Colin Pillinger (BBC 2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYI-nXEHes4 The Life Scientific Talk with Colin Pillinger on Beagle 2 27 December 2011, BBC 4 http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/radio4/tls/tls_20111227-0930a.mp3 Martin __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://three.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] [Ad 1/52]: Art Glass and Meteorites
Hi Mendy, All too often the meteorite art we see is nothing to get excited about. Somebody will paint a meteorite, or put a meteorite in clear resin and call it art. But this, this is awesome. Well done. Way out of my price range, but very well done. The two that went missing in transit are likely sitting on a thief's mantle right now. That's a shame. Best regards, MikeG -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone - On 5/8/14, Mendy Ouzillou via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote: This item has sold. I will be posting another one soon, so if you are interested, please act quickly. These will not (as expected) last long as there are a very high number of Josh Simpson collectors. Best, Mendy _ From: Mendy Ouzillou [mailto:mendy.ouzil...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2014 6:55 PM To: 'Meteorite List' Subject: [Ad 1/52]: Art Glass and Meteorites Josh Simpson Art Glass 3 Inhabited Planet Paperweight - Chelyabinsk Meteorite eBay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=251525787344 For those not familiar with Josh Simpson's work, he is a world famous glass artist. His wife is an astronaut who coincidentally has also been to Antarctica with ANSMET. If interested in buying item outside of eBay, I can provide a $40 discount. Shipping is separate. As a glass artist myself and art glass collector, I own pieces of Josh Simpson's art glass including several of his Inhabited Planets. In June 2013, I decided to approach Josh regarding a joint collaboration to create an exclusive series of Inhabited Planets containing actual meteorites. With the anniversary of the Chelyabinsk fall coming up, we started working together to make it happen. First, there was the experimentation to make sure that the planets would be stable with the meteorite inclusions. In October, I received two prototype planets to evaluate and provide feedback. Then, in preparation for the anniversary of the fall that also coincided with the Tucson Gem Mineral show, Josh set about to create the first set of six Chelyabinsk Inhabited Planets. The meteorite was crushed and powdered and used to create the meteor trail and a piece of dichroic glass was used for the front of the fiery meteor. The pictures looked amazing, the planets were shipped to the hotel in Tucson ... and they were lost in transit never to be found again! As we both dealt with unfortunate loss, it was time to regroup and get the project started again. In April, I received safe and sound the shipment of six new 3 inhabited planets and two 3 globes - each unique and amazing. Of these I am keeping one Inhabited Planet, the two globes have sold and five planets remain. These VERY exclusive collectibles are NOT available from any gallery or dealer. There is also no guarantee that more of these will be produced and if more are produced later this year, the total production will be kept to less than 50 units. Not including the ones that were lost, there have been less than 15 Chelyabinsk planets created so far as Josh made a few for himself as well. Each planet is signed by Josh and engraved with Chelyabinsk Feb. 15, 2013 to commemorate the fall. These will also come with a SkyFall Meteorites certificate of authenticity. Regards, Mendy Ouzillou IMCA 8395 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://three.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://three.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] [Ad 1/52]: Art Glass and Meteorites
Thank you Mike. Much appreciated. I feel like it was quite a special feat to get such a respected and world renown artist to collaborate with me on such a project. Here is the email I just received from Josh while I was typing this email: Hi Mendy, I saw your listing early this morning (there is an incredibly active fanatical group of my collectors out there that hover over eBay) - someone wrote this morning to ask if the meteorite thing could possibly be true (and I wrote back and confirmed our collaboration - only I told him that the planets that went to Arizona were stolen). ...Anyway - good for you! best wishes - josh Mendy -Original Message- From: Galactic Stone Ironworks [mailto:meteoritem...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 9:39 AM To: Mendy Ouzillou Cc: Meteorite List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [Ad 1/52]: Art Glass and Meteorites Hi Mendy, All too often the meteorite art we see is nothing to get excited about. Somebody will paint a meteorite, or put a meteorite in clear resin and call it art. But this, this is awesome. Well done. Way out of my price range, but very well done. The two that went missing in transit are likely sitting on a thief's mantle right now. That's a shame. Best regards, MikeG -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone - On 5/8/14, Mendy Ouzillou via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote: This item has sold. I will be posting another one soon, so if you are interested, please act quickly. These will not (as expected) last long as there are a very high number of Josh Simpson collectors. Best, Mendy _ From: Mendy Ouzillou [mailto:mendy.ouzil...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2014 6:55 PM To: 'Meteorite List' Subject: [Ad 1/52]: Art Glass and Meteorites Josh Simpson Art Glass 3 Inhabited Planet Paperweight - Chelyabinsk Meteorite eBay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=251525787344 For those not familiar with Josh Simpson's work, he is a world famous glass artist. His wife is an astronaut who coincidentally has also been to Antarctica with ANSMET. If interested in buying item outside of eBay, I can provide a $40 discount. Shipping is separate. As a glass artist myself and art glass collector, I own pieces of Josh Simpson's art glass including several of his Inhabited Planets. In June 2013, I decided to approach Josh regarding a joint collaboration to create an exclusive series of Inhabited Planets containing actual meteorites. With the anniversary of the Chelyabinsk fall coming up, we started working together to make it happen. First, there was the experimentation to make sure that the planets would be stable with the meteorite inclusions. In October, I received two prototype planets to evaluate and provide feedback. Then, in preparation for the anniversary of the fall that also coincided with the Tucson Gem Mineral show, Josh set about to create the first set of six Chelyabinsk Inhabited Planets. The meteorite was crushed and powdered and used to create the meteor trail and a piece of dichroic glass was used for the front of the fiery meteor. The pictures looked amazing, the planets were shipped to the hotel in Tucson ... and they were lost in transit never to be found again! As we both dealt with unfortunate loss, it was time to regroup and get the project started again. In April, I received safe and sound the shipment of six new 3 inhabited planets and two 3 globes - each unique and amazing. Of these I am keeping one Inhabited Planet, the two globes have sold and five planets remain. These VERY exclusive collectibles are NOT available from any gallery or dealer. There is also no guarantee that more of these will be produced and if more are produced later this year, the total production will be kept to less than 50 units. Not including the ones that were lost, there have been less than 15 Chelyabinsk planets created so far as Josh made a few for himself as well. Each planet is signed by Josh and engraved with Chelyabinsk Feb. 15, 2013 to commemorate the fall. These will also come with a SkyFall Meteorites certificate of authenticity. Regards, Mendy Ouzillou IMCA 8395 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://three.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://three.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Yahoo and AOL email issues - from the Admin
Good Afternoon List; The recent list issues regarding several email providers (Yahoo, AOL, etc.) seem to be behind us and I have re-enabled all of those accounts. Thanks to input from Bob Falls I was able to take advantage of some changes my service provider put into place and this should take care of the bounce problems. The only downside from this fix is that if you click Reply or Reply All to a posting the reply will only go to the member and not back to the list as well. If you would like to reply to an email and have it go to the list as well please paste the list address meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com into the To field. I apologize for this inconvenience and hopefully this issue will be fixed as well at some point. So remember, when replying to a list email that you want the list copied on, please paste meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com into the To field. Thanks again to IMCA's Bob Falls! Best Regards, Art Art Jones Meteorite Central __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://three.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Link of the Week #7 : Glossary of Meteoritics
Meteorite Link of the Week #7 - Glossary of Meteoritics (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_meteoritics) Almost everyone knows by now that Wikipedia has many pages about meteorites and meteoritics. However, did you know that Wikipedia also has a glossary page of terms related to meteoritics? Many of these terms are linked to the relevant article that explains that term. This glossary page is a good jumping-off point for exploring the meteorite knowledge contained in Wikipedia. The references section at the bottom also has some informative links. Best regards, MikeG -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone - __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://three.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Test ...
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Re: [meteorite-list] NASA May Put Greenhouse on Mars in 2021
Just watched an old Dr. Who episode about that very project. Did not turn out well ... Mendy Ouzillou On May 8, 2014, at 4:44 PM, Ron Baalke via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote: http://www.space.com/25767-nasa-mars-greenhouse-rover-plant-experiment.html NASA May Put Greenhouse on Mars in 2021 By Mike Wall space.com May 6, 2014 Plant life may touch down on Mars in 2021. Researchers have proposed putting a plant-growth experiment on NASA's next Mars rover, which is scheduled to launch in mid-2020 and land on the Red Planet in early 2021. The investigation, known as the Mars Plant Experiment (MPX), could help lay the foundation for the colonization of Mars, its designers say. In order to do a long-term, sustainable base on Mars, you would want to be able to establish that plants can at least grow on Mars, MPX deputy principal investigator Heather Smith, of NASA's Ames Research Center in Mountain View, California, said April 24 at the Humans 2 Mars conference in Washington, D.C. This would be the first step in that - we just send the seeds there and watch them grow. The MPX team - led by fellow Ames scientist Chris McKay - isn't suggesting that the 2020 Mars rover should play gardener, digging a hole with its robotic arm and planting seeds in the Red Planet's dirt. Rather, the experiment would be entirely self-contained, eliminating the chance that Earth life could escape and perhaps get a foothold on Mars. MPX would employ a clear CubeSat box - the case for a cheap and tiny satellite - which would be affixed to the exterior of the 2020 rover. This box would hold Earth air and about 200 seeds of Arabidopsis, a small flowering plant that's commonly used in scientific research. The seeds would receive water when the rover touched down on Mars, and would then be allowed to grow for two weeks or so. In 15 days, we'll have a little greenhouse on Mars, Smith said. MPX would provide an organism-level test of the Mars environment, showing how Earth life deals with the Red Planet's relatively high radiation levels and low gravity, which is about 40 percent as strong as that of Earth, she added. We would go from this simple experiment to the greenhouses on Mars for a sustainable base, Smith said. That would be the goal. In addition to its potential scientific returns, MPX would provide humanity with a landmark moment, she added. It also would be the first multicellular organism to grow, live and die on another planet, Smith said. The 2020 Mars rover is based heavily on NASA's Curiosity rover, which landed in August 2012 to determine if the Red Planet has ever been capable of supporting microbial life. Curiosity has already answered that question in the affirmative, finding that a site called Yellowknife Bay was, indeed, habitable billions of years ago. NASA wants the 2020 rover to search for signs of past Mars life, and collect rock and soil samples for eventual return to Earth. But the space agency is still working out the details of the robot's mission - for example, figuring out what instruments it will carry. NASA received 58 instrument proposals for the rover during its call for submissions, which lasted from September 2013 until January of this year. Final selections should be made by June or so, NASA officials have said. Curiosity totes 10 instruments around Mars, so the 2020 rover may end up with a similar amount of scientific gear. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://three.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://three.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update - Tuya (China) and NWA 8370 (Iron)
Hi Bulletin Watchers, There are two new approvals. One is an OC find from China and the other is an iron from the NWA DCA. Tuya : http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?code=59589 NWA 8370 : http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?code=59590 Best regards and Happy Huntings, MikeG -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone - __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://three.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] [Ad 2/52]: Art Glass and Meteorites (Chelyabinsk Inhabited Planets)
All the Josh Simpson art glass Chely paperweights are now on my eBay page. Get 'em while they are hot ... Regardless of your desire to buy, you should check them out - they are quite beautiful. Best! Mendy -Original Message- From: Mendy Ouzillou [mailto:mendy.ouzil...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 9:30 AM To: 'Meteorite List' Subject: RE: [Ad 1/52]: Art Glass and Meteorites This item has sold. I will be posting another one soon, so if you are interested, please act quickly. These will not (as expected) last long as there are a very high number of Josh Simpson collectors. Best, Mendy _ From: Mendy Ouzillou [mailto:mendy.ouzil...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2014 6:55 PM To: 'Meteorite List' Subject: [Ad 1/52]: Art Glass and Meteorites Josh Simpson Art Glass 3 Inhabited Planet Paperweight - Chelyabinsk Meteorite eBay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=251525787344 For those not familiar with Josh Simpson's work, he is a world famous glass artist. His wife is an astronaut who coincidentally has also been to Antarctica with ANSMET. If interested in buying item outside of eBay, I can provide a $40 discount. Shipping is separate. As a glass artist myself and art glass collector, I own pieces of Josh Simpson's art glass including several of his Inhabited Planets. In June 2013, I decided to approach Josh regarding a joint collaboration to create an exclusive series of Inhabited Planets containing actual meteorites. With the anniversary of the Chelyabinsk fall coming up, we started working together to make it happen. First, there was the experimentation to make sure that the planets would be stable with the meteorite inclusions. In October, I received two prototype planets to evaluate and provide feedback. Then, in preparation for the anniversary of the fall that also coincided with the Tucson Gem Mineral show, Josh set about to create the first set of six Chelyabinsk Inhabited Planets. The meteorite was crushed and powdered and used to create the meteor trail and a piece of dichroic glass was used for the front of the fiery meteor. The pictures looked amazing, the planets were shipped to the hotel in Tucson ... and they were lost in transit never to be found again! As we both dealt with unfortunate loss, it was time to regroup and get the project started again. In April, I received safe and sound the shipment of six new 3 inhabited planets and two 3 globes - each unique and amazing. Of these I am keeping one Inhabited Planet, the two globes have sold and five planets remain. These VERY exclusive collectibles are NOT available from any gallery or dealer. There is also no guarantee that more of these will be produced and if more are produced later this year, the total production will be kept to less than 50 units. Not including the ones that were lost, there have been less than 15 Chelyabinsk planets created so far as Josh made a few for himself as well. Each planet is signed by Josh and engraved with Chelyabinsk Feb. 15, 2013 to commemorate the fall. These will also come with a SkyFall Meteorites certificate of authenticity. Regards, Mendy Ouzillou IMCA 8395 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://three.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NASA May Put Greenhouse on Mars in 2021
NASA's Planetary Protection Officer will have to approve it! -Carl Agee * Carl B. Agee Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences MSC03 2050 University of New Mexico Albuquerque NM 87131-1126 Tel: (505) 750-7172 Fax: (505) 277-3577 Email: a...@unm.edu http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/ On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 6:10 PM, Mendy.Ouzillou via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote: Just watched an old Dr. Who episode about that very project. Did not turn out well ... Mendy Ouzillou On May 8, 2014, at 4:44 PM, Ron Baalke via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote: http://www.space.com/25767-nasa-mars-greenhouse-rover-plant-experiment.html NASA May Put Greenhouse on Mars in 2021 By Mike Wall space.com May 6, 2014 Plant life may touch down on Mars in 2021. Researchers have proposed putting a plant-growth experiment on NASA's next Mars rover, which is scheduled to launch in mid-2020 and land on the Red Planet in early 2021. The investigation, known as the Mars Plant Experiment (MPX), could help lay the foundation for the colonization of Mars, its designers say. In order to do a long-term, sustainable base on Mars, you would want to be able to establish that plants can at least grow on Mars, MPX deputy principal investigator Heather Smith, of NASA's Ames Research Center in Mountain View, California, said April 24 at the Humans 2 Mars conference in Washington, D.C. This would be the first step in that - we just send the seeds there and watch them grow. The MPX team - led by fellow Ames scientist Chris McKay - isn't suggesting that the 2020 Mars rover should play gardener, digging a hole with its robotic arm and planting seeds in the Red Planet's dirt. Rather, the experiment would be entirely self-contained, eliminating the chance that Earth life could escape and perhaps get a foothold on Mars. MPX would employ a clear CubeSat box - the case for a cheap and tiny satellite - which would be affixed to the exterior of the 2020 rover. This box would hold Earth air and about 200 seeds of Arabidopsis, a small flowering plant that's commonly used in scientific research. The seeds would receive water when the rover touched down on Mars, and would then be allowed to grow for two weeks or so. In 15 days, we'll have a little greenhouse on Mars, Smith said. MPX would provide an organism-level test of the Mars environment, showing how Earth life deals with the Red Planet's relatively high radiation levels and low gravity, which is about 40 percent as strong as that of Earth, she added. We would go from this simple experiment to the greenhouses on Mars for a sustainable base, Smith said. That would be the goal. In addition to its potential scientific returns, MPX would provide humanity with a landmark moment, she added. It also would be the first multicellular organism to grow, live and die on another planet, Smith said. The 2020 Mars rover is based heavily on NASA's Curiosity rover, which landed in August 2012 to determine if the Red Planet has ever been capable of supporting microbial life. Curiosity has already answered that question in the affirmative, finding that a site called Yellowknife Bay was, indeed, habitable billions of years ago. NASA wants the 2020 rover to search for signs of past Mars life, and collect rock and soil samples for eventual return to Earth. But the space agency is still working out the details of the robot's mission - for example, figuring out what instruments it will carry. NASA received 58 instrument proposals for the rover during its call for submissions, which lasted from September 2013 until January of this year. Final selections should be made by June or so, NASA officials have said. Curiosity totes 10 instruments around Mars, so the 2020 rover may end up with a similar amount of scientific gear. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://three.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://three.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://three.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NASA May Put Greenhouse on Mars in 2021
Wouldn't a greenhouse on Mars be called a redhouse? ;) Red House : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynGBVJzveME Best regards, MikeG -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone - On 5/8/14, Carl Agee via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote: NASA's Planetary Protection Officer will have to approve it! -Carl Agee * Carl B. Agee Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences MSC03 2050 University of New Mexico Albuquerque NM 87131-1126 Tel: (505) 750-7172 Fax: (505) 277-3577 Email: a...@unm.edu http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/ On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 6:10 PM, Mendy.Ouzillou via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote: Just watched an old Dr. Who episode about that very project. Did not turn out well ... Mendy Ouzillou On May 8, 2014, at 4:44 PM, Ron Baalke via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote: http://www.space.com/25767-nasa-mars-greenhouse-rover-plant-experiment.html NASA May Put Greenhouse on Mars in 2021 By Mike Wall space.com May 6, 2014 Plant life may touch down on Mars in 2021. Researchers have proposed putting a plant-growth experiment on NASA's next Mars rover, which is scheduled to launch in mid-2020 and land on the Red Planet in early 2021. The investigation, known as the Mars Plant Experiment (MPX), could help lay the foundation for the colonization of Mars, its designers say. In order to do a long-term, sustainable base on Mars, you would want to be able to establish that plants can at least grow on Mars, MPX deputy principal investigator Heather Smith, of NASA's Ames Research Center in Mountain View, California, said April 24 at the Humans 2 Mars conference in Washington, D.C. This would be the first step in that - we just send the seeds there and watch them grow. The MPX team - led by fellow Ames scientist Chris McKay - isn't suggesting that the 2020 Mars rover should play gardener, digging a hole with its robotic arm and planting seeds in the Red Planet's dirt. Rather, the experiment would be entirely self-contained, eliminating the chance that Earth life could escape and perhaps get a foothold on Mars. MPX would employ a clear CubeSat box - the case for a cheap and tiny satellite - which would be affixed to the exterior of the 2020 rover. This box would hold Earth air and about 200 seeds of Arabidopsis, a small flowering plant that's commonly used in scientific research. The seeds would receive water when the rover touched down on Mars, and would then be allowed to grow for two weeks or so. In 15 days, we'll have a little greenhouse on Mars, Smith said. MPX would provide an organism-level test of the Mars environment, showing how Earth life deals with the Red Planet's relatively high radiation levels and low gravity, which is about 40 percent as strong as that of Earth, she added. We would go from this simple experiment to the greenhouses on Mars for a sustainable base, Smith said. That would be the goal. In addition to its potential scientific returns, MPX would provide humanity with a landmark moment, she added. It also would be the first multicellular organism to grow, live and die on another planet, Smith said. The 2020 Mars rover is based heavily on NASA's Curiosity rover, which landed in August 2012 to determine if the Red Planet has ever been capable of supporting microbial life. Curiosity has already answered that question in the affirmative, finding that a site called Yellowknife Bay was, indeed, habitable billions of years ago. NASA wants the 2020 rover to search for signs of past Mars life, and collect rock and soil samples for eventual return to Earth. But the space agency is still working out the details of the robot's mission - for example, figuring out what instruments it will carry. NASA received 58 instrument proposals for the rover during its call for submissions, which lasted from September 2013 until January of this year. Final selections should be made by June or so, NASA officials have said. Curiosity totes 10 instruments around Mars, so the 2020 rover may end up with a similar amount of scientific gear. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://three.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Re: [meteorite-list] Yahoo and AOL email issues - from the Admin
G'Day Art and List Good to see things getting back to normal and yes I must agree, Bob has been a tornado trying to get around this glitch. Well done to both of you Cheers John On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 11:53 AM, Art Jones via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote: Good Afternoon List; The recent list issues regarding several email providers (Yahoo, AOL, etc.) seem to be behind us and I have re-enabled all of those accounts. Thanks to input from Bob Falls I was able to take advantage of some changes my service provider put into place and this should take care of the bounce problems. The only downside from this fix is that if you click Reply or Reply All to a posting the reply will only go to the member and not back to the list as well. If you would like to reply to an email and have it go to the list as well please paste the list address meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com into the To field. I apologize for this inconvenience and hopefully this issue will be fixed as well at some point. So remember, when replying to a list email that you want the list copied on, please paste meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com into the To field. Thanks again to IMCA's Bob Falls! Best Regards, Art Art Jones Meteorite Central __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://three.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://three.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] [Ad 2/52]: Art Glass and Meteorites (Chelyabinsk Inhabited Planets)
Josh Simpson : Talented and married to an astronaut. Some guys have all the luck. LOL. On 5/8/14, Mendy Ouzillou via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote: All the Josh Simpson art glass Chely paperweights are now on my eBay page. Get 'em while they are hot ... Regardless of your desire to buy, you should check them out - they are quite beautiful. Best! Mendy -Original Message- From: Mendy Ouzillou [mailto:mendy.ouzil...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 9:30 AM To: 'Meteorite List' Subject: RE: [Ad 1/52]: Art Glass and Meteorites This item has sold. I will be posting another one soon, so if you are interested, please act quickly. These will not (as expected) last long as there are a very high number of Josh Simpson collectors. Best, Mendy _ From: Mendy Ouzillou [mailto:mendy.ouzil...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2014 6:55 PM To: 'Meteorite List' Subject: [Ad 1/52]: Art Glass and Meteorites Josh Simpson Art Glass 3 Inhabited Planet Paperweight - Chelyabinsk Meteorite eBay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=251525787344 For those not familiar with Josh Simpson's work, he is a world famous glass artist. His wife is an astronaut who coincidentally has also been to Antarctica with ANSMET. If interested in buying item outside of eBay, I can provide a $40 discount. Shipping is separate. As a glass artist myself and art glass collector, I own pieces of Josh Simpson's art glass including several of his Inhabited Planets. In June 2013, I decided to approach Josh regarding a joint collaboration to create an exclusive series of Inhabited Planets containing actual meteorites. With the anniversary of the Chelyabinsk fall coming up, we started working together to make it happen. First, there was the experimentation to make sure that the planets would be stable with the meteorite inclusions. In October, I received two prototype planets to evaluate and provide feedback. Then, in preparation for the anniversary of the fall that also coincided with the Tucson Gem Mineral show, Josh set about to create the first set of six Chelyabinsk Inhabited Planets. The meteorite was crushed and powdered and used to create the meteor trail and a piece of dichroic glass was used for the front of the fiery meteor. The pictures looked amazing, the planets were shipped to the hotel in Tucson ... and they were lost in transit never to be found again! As we both dealt with unfortunate loss, it was time to regroup and get the project started again. In April, I received safe and sound the shipment of six new 3 inhabited planets and two 3 globes - each unique and amazing. Of these I am keeping one Inhabited Planet, the two globes have sold and five planets remain. These VERY exclusive collectibles are NOT available from any gallery or dealer. There is also no guarantee that more of these will be produced and if more are produced later this year, the total production will be kept to less than 50 units. Not including the ones that were lost, there have been less than 15 Chelyabinsk planets created so far as Josh made a few for himself as well. Each planet is signed by Josh and engraved with Chelyabinsk Feb. 15, 2013 to commemorate the fall. These will also come with a SkyFall Meteorites certificate of authenticity. Regards, Mendy Ouzillou IMCA 8395 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://three.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone - __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://three.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Yahoo and AOL email issues - from the Admin
There is one issue that still seems to be lingering. When I send an email to the Met-List (as the original sender), I never receive that email and do not know if it was received until someone else responds. Mendy -Original Message- From: Meteorite-list [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of John Cabassi via Meteorite-list Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 6:41 PM To: Art Jones Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Yahoo and AOL email issues - from the Admin G'Day Art and List Good to see things getting back to normal and yes I must agree, Bob has been a tornado trying to get around this glitch. Well done to both of you Cheers John On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 11:53 AM, Art Jones via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote: Good Afternoon List; The recent list issues regarding several email providers (Yahoo, AOL, etc.) seem to be behind us and I have re-enabled all of those accounts. Thanks to input from Bob Falls I was able to take advantage of some changes my service provider put into place and this should take care of the bounce problems. The only downside from this fix is that if you click Reply or Reply All to a posting the reply will only go to the member and not back to the list as well. If you would like to reply to an email and have it go to the list as well please paste the list address meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com into the To field. I apologize for this inconvenience and hopefully this issue will be fixed as well at some point. So remember, when replying to a list email that you want the list copied on, please paste meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com into the To field. Thanks again to IMCA's Bob Falls! Best Regards, Art Art Jones Meteorite Central __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://three.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://three.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://three.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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[meteorite-list] Artifact (yes) /Meteorite (???)
Hi All, Today I purchased a Native American artifact on ebay which looks like it was made from a type 3 meteorite, one with a low subtype, check it out here http://www.ebay.com/itm/4-Pestle-Artifact-Tool-Minnesota-/331197226957?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3FLH_Sold%3D1%26_from%3DR40%26LH_Complete%3D1%26_sacat%3D0%26_nkw%3D331197226957%26_rdc%3D1nma=truesi=1gqoUs%252FqrTZ%252BfJo1ou3oWHcsyco%253Dorig_cvip=truert=nc_trksid=p2047675.l2557 The seller used flash when shooting the images, doing so causes them to be blown out, so to counteract that I edited them in Microsoft Office by reducing the midtones by 38 which much improved them, the different colors show up a lot better and the stones true overall darkness is better able to be seen. The seller wasn't sure what kind of artifact it is and implied it's a pestle, I have both pestles and plummets and this sure looks like a plummet to me. Maybe it's made out of a meteorite, maybe it's not, that remains to be seen, but if it is then I'm wondering what I'd do with such a thing, should it be cut and classified just like any other meteorite, should it be left as is because it's unique? What would you do with it, or any other artifact for that matter which is made from a stony meteorite, if it was yours? It'll be an anxious wait till it arrives, but when it does and if it truly does end up being meteoric, I'll follow up with some nice images of it. William __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://three.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Artifact (yes) /Meteorite (???)
Looks like a lava rock. Michael in so. Cal. On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 7:57 PM, William Feek via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote: Hi All, Today I purchased a Native American artifact on ebay which looks like it was made from a type 3 meteorite, one with a low subtype, check it out here http://www.ebay.com/itm/4-Pestle-Artifact-Tool-Minnesota-/331197226957?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3FLH_Sold%3D1%26_from%3DR40%26LH_Complete%3D1%26_sacat%3D0%26_nkw%3D331197226957%26_rdc%3D1nma=truesi=1gqoUs%252FqrTZ%252BfJo1ou3oWHcsyco%253Dorig_cvip=truert=nc_trksid=p2047675.l2557 The seller used flash when shooting the images, doing so causes them to be blown out, so to counteract that I edited them in Microsoft Office by reducing the midtones by 38 which much improved them, the different colors show up a lot better and the stones true overall darkness is better able to be seen. The seller wasn't sure what kind of artifact it is and implied it's a pestle, I have both pestles and plummets and this sure looks like a plummet to me. Maybe it's made out of a meteorite, maybe it's not, that remains to be seen, but if it is then I'm wondering what I'd do with such a thing, should it be cut and classified just like any other meteorite, should it be left as is because it's unique? What would you do with it, or any other artifact for that matter which is made from a stony meteorite, if it was yours? It'll be an anxious wait till it arrives, but when it does and if it truly does end up being meteoric, I'll follow up with some nice images of it. William __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://three.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://three.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Definitions of types of falls and finds
Mendy, Understand the point you're trying to make, but Indian Butte, aka Stanfield, is clearly a fall: http://fallingrocks.com/Collections/Stanfield.htm All the best, Dave www.fallingrocks.com -Original Message- From: Meteorite-list [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Mendy Ouzillou via Meteorite-list Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2014 6:08 PM To: 'Meteorite List' Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Definitions of types of falls and finds So far the response has been basically, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. However, doing so ignores changes in technology that enables us to identify meteors at specific locations in space and time and possible fall locations. Take Indian Butte for example. The MetBull identifies this meteorite as a Fall (witnessed) from 1998. However, the first specimen was not found until 2013. According to the feedback so far, this meteorite should then have been classified as a find. Indian Butte is only one example of the situation actually being broke - so in my mind, new information and new situations deserve a fresh perspective. By the way, I agree with the classification of it as a fall. Given only two present choices - fall is the most appropriate. I am in no way suggesting adding the many types of descriptors as proposed by Jeff, but I am proposing adding one more called the correlated fall. As technology improves, I believe we will be seeing more situations like Indian Butte where an event is captured, but material is not found for years after the event. Change is not always bad. :-) Mendy -Original Message- From: Michael Mulgrew [mailto:mikest...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2014 3:06 PM To: Carl Esparza Cc: Meteorite List; Mendy Ouzillou Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Definitions of types of falls and finds Fall, find, anything further is unnecessary clutter. All falls are finds, but not all finds are falls, the rest is just semantics. K.I.S.S. - Keep It Simple, Stupid Michael in so. Cal. On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 1:01 PM, cdtuc...@cox.net wrote: Mendy, All due respect to you and Jeff Grossman (one of our Royalty figures) but, to me a fall is either observed or there is great evidence like damage caused by the impact. All else is a find. Because after all, all finds are falls or how else would they be here? Best Rgards, Carl meteoritemax -- Love Life Mendy Ouzillou mendy.ouzil...@gmail.com wrote: I've been thinking about the email Jeff sent out some time back and wanted to propose a slightly different set of names and simplify the nomenclature. You can see Jeff's original email below. I think we have all struggled with defining meteorites that are neither observed falls nor finds and part of the reason is that we were conflating too many ideas. Observed fall: Observed to fall, either by eyewitnesses or with instruments. The event was well documented. Physical evidence associated with the collected meteorites is consistent with a fresh fall, or, when collection does not occur immediately, the strewn field location (if there is one) and appearance taking into account weathering associated with time on the ground, may be directly attributed to the fall. Correlated fall: No material was found immediately after an observed event, but later analysis and physical evidence conclusively points to an observed event on a specific date or within a very narrow range of dates. Find: Material was found and no event can be conclusively associated with an observed event. A find that appears like a fresh fall is still a find if no observed event can be associated with it. Feedback welcome. Mendy Ouzillou IMCA8393 -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Grossman Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 6:26 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day I should add: my first two categories are types of falls, whereas the last three are types of finds. Jeff On 1/5/2013 8:12 AM, Jeff Grossman wrote: In all seriousness, I have considered refining, or at least qualifying the definition of fall. The categories I've considered are these, and the definitions are first passes: Observed fall: observed to fall, either visually or with instruments, and collected soon after the event. The event was well documented. Physical evidence associated with the collected meteorites is consistent with a fresh fall, or, when collection does not occur immediately, directly points to a fall at the time of the observed event. Unobserved fall: No observations were made of a fall event, but physical evidence conclusively points to a fall on a specific date or within a very narrow range of dates. Probable fall: In these cases, there was a well-documented meteor event with characteristics
[meteorite-list] S.P. Brasil Fireball Meteor 09MAY2014
List, Minutes ago! Latest Worldwide Meteor/Meteorite News: Mogi das Cruzes, SP, Brazil Fireball Meteor 09MAY2014 http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.jp/2014/05/mogi-das-cruzes-sp-brazil-fireball.html Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://three.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
