Re: [meteorite-list] Pot Coloring The Kettle Black

2016-06-19 Thread Dark Matter via Meteorite-list 
Looks like we got the band back together on this one.

Cheers,

Martin



On Sunday, June 19, 2016, Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list <
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:

> This has strayed wy off the topic of meteorites...
>
>
>
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> On 6/19/16 at 6:38 PM, MexicoDoug via Meteorite-list wrote:
>
> > Captain Blood wrote:
> >
> > "Hi all, Teaching Anthropology, which includes linguistics, I began over
> > 30 years ago to collect the origins of phrases.
> > The original phrase in this instance is
> > "Pot calling the kettle black."
> >
> > =
> > You are a cunning anthropologist Michael, but I disagree. The context is
> not at all my affair, so I only comment on the use of Adam's original
> aphorism or proverb he intended. Though there are even older proverbs
> capturing his thought, I think he might have preferred to use the Sufi
> proverb from the middle ages, hundreds of years before the pot/kettle
> abomination existed:
> >
> > "Many of the faults you see in others, dear reader,
> > are your own nature reflected in them." (Rumi ca. AD 1250)
> >
> > The pot and kettle saying is so butchered from its origin and barely
> resembles it, and yours is not the original. It is fair game to use as he
> did, since there is no authority on such idioms and the interpretation is
> supported, whether it sounds good to everyone's ear or only to some. I have
> traced the origin of the pot/kettle proverb undisputedly to the ancient
> Greek, "Snake and the Crab" and it intended hypocrisy, whereas the
> reflection/coloring suggests that the accused reserves the right to be pure
> and without fault, a different concept. Pot calling the kettle black is a
> late-comer, and already a poor corruption of a 3000 year old proverb that
> diminishes the original, so that is why I feel the writer can appropriate
> it as they feel convenient and not be beholden to any higher authority on
> its use due to the selection of an arbitrary point in time, and Adam has
> referenced his with a less common modern variant. English is always
> evolving, and this is a living example of how it ha
>  pp
> >  ens.
> >
> > Kindest wishes
> > Doug
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Michael Blood via Meteorite-list <
> meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >
> > To: Paul Gessler >; Met. Adam Hupe <
> raremeteori...@centurylink.net >; Meteorite List <
> meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >
> > Sent: Sat, Jun 18, 2016 7:56 pm
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pot Coloring The Kettle Black
> >
> > Hi all,
> > Teaching Anthropology, which includes linguistics, I began over
> > 30 years ago to collect the origins of phrases.
> > The original phrase in this instance is
> > "Pot calling the kettle black."
> > Michael Blood
> >
> >
> > On 6/16/16 8:11 PM, "Meteorite List" <
> meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Pot Coloring The Kettle Black
> >
> >
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Re: [meteorite-list] Pot Coloring The Kettle Black

2016-06-19 Thread Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list 
This has strayed wy off the topic of meteorites...



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On 6/19/16 at 6:38 PM, MexicoDoug via Meteorite-list wrote:

> Captain Blood wrote:
> 
> "Hi all, Teaching Anthropology, which includes linguistics, I began over
> 30 years ago to collect the origins of phrases.
> The original phrase in this instance is
> "Pot calling the kettle black."
> 
> =
> You are a cunning anthropologist Michael, but I disagree. The context is not 
> at all my affair, so I only comment on the use of Adam's original aphorism or 
> proverb he intended. Though there are even older proverbs capturing his 
> thought, I think he might have preferred to use the Sufi proverb from the 
> middle ages, hundreds of years before the pot/kettle abomination existed:
> 
> "Many of the faults you see in others, dear reader,
> are your own nature reflected in them." (Rumi ca. AD 1250)
> 
> The pot and kettle saying is so butchered from its origin and barely 
> resembles it, and yours is not the original. It is fair game to use as he 
> did, since there is no authority on such idioms and the interpretation is 
> supported, whether it sounds good to everyone's ear or only to some. I have 
> traced the origin of the pot/kettle proverb undisputedly to the ancient 
> Greek, "Snake and the Crab" and it intended hypocrisy, whereas the 
> reflection/coloring suggests that the accused reserves the right to be pure 
> and without fault, a different concept. Pot calling the kettle black is a 
> late-comer, and already a poor corruption of a 3000 year old proverb that 
> diminishes the original, so that is why I feel the writer can appropriate it 
> as they feel convenient and not be beholden to any higher authority on its 
> use due to the selection of an arbitrary point in time, and Adam has 
> referenced his with a less common modern variant. English is always evolving, 
> and this is a living example of how it ha
 pp
>  ens.
> 
> Kindest wishes
> Doug
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Blood via Meteorite-list 
> To: Paul Gessler ; Met. Adam Hupe 
> ; Meteorite List 
> 
> Sent: Sat, Jun 18, 2016 7:56 pm
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pot Coloring The Kettle Black
> 
> Hi all,
> Teaching Anthropology, which includes linguistics, I began over
> 30 years ago to collect the origins of phrases.
> The original phrase in this instance is
> "Pot calling the kettle black."
> Michael Blood
> 
> 
> On 6/16/16 8:11 PM, "Meteorite List" 
> wrote:
> 
> > Pot Coloring The Kettle Black
> 
> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Pot Coloring The Kettle Black

2016-06-19 Thread MexicoDoug via Meteorite-list 
Captain Blood wrote:

"Hi all, Teaching Anthropology, which includes linguistics, I began over
30 years ago to collect the origins of phrases.
The original phrase in this instance is
"Pot calling the kettle black."

=
You are a cunning anthropologist Michael, but I disagree. The context is not at 
all my affair, so I only comment on the use of Adam's original aphorism or 
proverb he intended. Though there are even older proverbs capturing his 
thought, I think he might have preferred to use the Sufi proverb from the 
middle ages, hundreds of years before the pot/kettle abomination existed:

"Many of the faults you see in others, dear reader,
are your own nature reflected in them." (Rumi ca. AD 1250)

The pot and kettle saying is so butchered from its origin and barely resembles 
it, and yours is not the original. It is fair game to use as he did, since 
there is no authority on such idioms and the interpretation is supported, 
whether it sounds good to everyone's ear or only to some. I have traced the 
origin of the pot/kettle proverb undisputedly to the ancient Greek, "Snake and 
the Crab" and it intended hypocrisy, whereas the reflection/coloring suggests 
that the accused reserves the right to be pure and without fault, a different 
concept. Pot calling the kettle black is a late-comer, and already a poor 
corruption of a 3000 year old proverb that diminishes the original, so that is 
why I feel the writer can appropriate it as they feel convenient and not be 
beholden to any higher authority on its use due to the selection of an 
arbitrary point in time, and Adam has referenced his with a less common modern 
variant. English is always evolving, and this is a living example of how it happ
 ens.

Kindest wishes
Doug

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From: Michael Blood via Meteorite-list 
To: Paul Gessler ; Met. Adam Hupe 
; Meteorite List 

Sent: Sat, Jun 18, 2016 7:56 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pot Coloring The Kettle Black

Hi all,
Teaching Anthropology, which includes linguistics, I began over
30 years ago to collect the origins of phrases.
The original phrase in this instance is
"Pot calling the kettle black."
Michael Blood


On 6/16/16 8:11 PM, "Meteorite List" 
wrote:

> Pot Coloring The Kettle Black


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Re: [meteorite-list] Pot Coloring The Kettle Black

2016-06-19 Thread Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list 

A perfect example of how short-term memories can be,

Sue the Dinosaur's formal designation is "FMNH PR 2081" not "FMMH PR 2081" 
as I was just reminded.  I am also a perfectionist when it comes to details 
so please forgive me for this error.


Time to go to brunch,

Happy Fathers Day,

Adam


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Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 8:41 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pot Coloring The Kettle Black


Anthropology is interesting from a cultural standpoint. In the meteorite 
world, some outsiders look in and see self-congratulatory websites and 
posts and ask what do they have to do with promoting meteorites instead of 
egos? I tell them that some are attempting to sell the story along with 
the meteorite.  In some cases, the true story improves the value but in 
other cases, it detracts.  Who remembers the finder of "Sue the Dinosaur" 
or the "Bahia Emerald?"  In a single generation, the people involved have 
been forgotten.  Nobody will remember "FMMH PR 2081" , "Sue the 
Dinosaur's" formal designation.


It is customary for realtors to post a single image of themselves in 
advertising so their clients get a feel for what the person looks like. 
Michael Blood, similarly accomplishes the same thing with the Meteorite 
Friends page.


Happy Fathers Day,  I am heading out to brunch to enjoy the occasion with 
my wife and family here in very hot Laughlin, NV.  It is going to be 
getting into the 120's later this week so I do not see any field time 
forthcoming anytime soon.


Adam




- Original Message - 
From: "Michael Blood" 
To: "Paul Gessler" ; "Met. Adam Hupe" 
; "Meteorite List" 


Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pot Coloring The Kettle Black



Hi all,
   Teaching Anthropology, which includes linguistics, I began over
30 years ago to collect the origins of phrases.
   The original phrase in this instance is
"Pot calling the kettle black."
   Michael Blood


On 6/16/16 8:11 PM, "Meteorite List" 


wrote:


Pot Coloring The Kettle Black







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Re: [meteorite-list] Pot Coloring The Kettle Black

2016-06-19 Thread Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list 
Anthropology is interesting from a cultural standpoint. In the meteorite 
world, some outsiders look in and see self-congratulatory websites and posts 
and ask what do they have to do with promoting meteorites instead of egos? 
I tell them that some are attempting to sell the story along with the 
meteorite.  In some cases, the true story improves the value but in other 
cases, it detracts.  Who remembers the finder of "Sue the Dinosaur" or the 
"Bahia Emerald?"  In a single generation, the people involved have been 
forgotten.  Nobody will remember "FMMH PR 2081" , "Sue the Dinosaur's" 
formal designation.


It is customary for realtors to post a single image of themselves in 
advertising so their clients get a feel for what the person looks like. 
Michael Blood, similarly accomplishes the same thing with the Meteorite 
Friends page.


Happy Fathers Day,  I am heading out to brunch to enjoy the occasion with my 
wife and family here in very hot Laughlin, NV.  It is going to be getting 
into the 120's later this week so I do not see any field time forthcoming 
anytime soon.


Adam




- Original Message - 
From: "Michael Blood" 
To: "Paul Gessler" ; "Met. Adam Hupe" 
; "Meteorite List" 


Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pot Coloring The Kettle Black



Hi all,
   Teaching Anthropology, which includes linguistics, I began over
30 years ago to collect the origins of phrases.
   The original phrase in this instance is
"Pot calling the kettle black."
   Michael Blood


On 6/16/16 8:11 PM, "Meteorite List" 
wrote:


Pot Coloring The Kettle Black







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[meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day

2016-06-19 Thread Paul Swartz via Meteorite-list 
Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: NWA 8409 TS

Contributed by: Anne Black

http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpodmain.asp?DD=06/19/2016
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