Re: [meteorite-list] U.S to Withdraw From UNESCO--DONE

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

I never, in any realm, thought that I would ever be conversing with Adam Hupe
in this manner.

For Me, this thread is way overcooked.

I've stated my opinions--if any apologies are necessary--you got 'em.

Done, John 

- Original Message - 
From: "John Lutzon via Meteorite-list" 
To: "Adam Hupe" ; 

Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 9:03 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] U.S to Withdraw From UNESCO



I was ok with the same personal email to me but since you posted
to the list

I agree with one sentance--"For me, knowledge and accurate information are key,"

So, when you became aware (1980's) of Unesco's possible implications to 
meteorite hunting/ownership did you enact any actions or legislation to Protect
anyone/anything?

What Knowledgeable information would you impart to this list on the recent
decision to remove the US from Unesco?

What Accurate information would you be willing to impart to this list on the 
ramifications/advantages of our withdrawal from Unesco Regarding Meteorites.

Remember--knowledge and accurate information are key.

John 

 

- Original Message - 
From: "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list" 
To: "meteorite- >> metlist" 
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 8:22 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] U.S to Withdraw From UNESCO


It is obvious to most that making people aware of UNESCO and what 
effects it may have on our avocation is important, at least to those who 
think long-term.

I was first made aware of UNESCOs influence on treasure hunting in the 
1980s.  The late and Great, Richard Norton first pointed out to me what 
influence the Douglass Schmitt paper that ties meteorites to UNESCO and 
ownership laws had on meteorite hunters and collectors.

I am just spreading the knowledge.  You cannot protect yourself against 
things you know nothing about thus the update.  Some long-term thinkers 
are probably relieved by the News Article while others simply do not care.

I do see how stupid this is getting to use your terms.  If disbursing 
information is not helpful in your opinion, then it is within your 1st 
amendment rights to express this.

For me, knowledge and accurate information are key,

Adam




On 10/12/2017 4:46 PM, John Lutzon wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> And, How are You protecting meteorite collecting?
> To protect is to do something--not post News articles.
> What I got from this post is -- something Of Yours
> was lost and lazy diggers did bad  -- ok, we all got it
> 
> So, what is your point--other than pointing out that things
> don't always go well.
> 
> Maybe you would like to talk about how ancient cultures
> desercrated iron meteorites by making tools? Maybe you
> could sue them.
> 
> Do you see how stupid this is getting.
> 
> Adam-please
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list" 
> To: "metlist" 
> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 6:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] U.S to Withdraw From UNESCO
> 
> 
> I am trying to protect the avocation of meteorite collecting.  I saw my
> last hobby, "Treasure Hunting" which I was engaged in since 1975
> completely destroyed by those that thought they were above the fray.
> The lack of respect for laws and rules resulted in most lands being
> taken off limits.  Lazy hunters who left holes behind where kids could
> break their ankles was the start of the end for amateur treasure hunters
> who left land in better condition then when the entered by removing trash.
> 
> Meteorite hunting and collecting is being threatened every day.
> 
> UNESCO is just one of many examples,
> 
> Adam
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 10/12/2017 2:57 PM, John Lutzon wrote:
>>
>> So much wasted intellect.
>> My opinion is you could be doing/helping so many people in the
>> meteoritic community but it "seems" you feel persecuted because
>> of opinions towards you on the Internet -- this is The World WIDE WEB.
>> Last I checked--it is not a prosecutable crime to express your Opinion
>> whether on the internet or not.
>>
>> However, there is the "chilling effect law" which is prosecutable.
>> IE: "where speech or conduct is supressed by fear of penalization".
>>
>> "{Remember what you say is permanently recorded and can be used
>> against you in a court of law.}" ["Adam Hupe"]. Bad road to go down.
>>
>> I don't care for what people say about me and good god what they may
>> think of me--hell, I keep going and I don't have 1/10 of your expertise.
>>
>> As you may have surmised, I don't care for threatening stupid talk.
>>
>> All I Really want are discussions about METEORITES.
>> Not personal BS.
>>
>> Respect, John
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list" 
>> To: "metlist" 

Re: [meteorite-list] U.S to Withdraw From UNESCO

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

Yes Adam,
Thank you for your dedication to the IMCA and the meteoritic community.
No argument here - just discussion--with verification from the poster.
My knowledge is limited--by some standards--very knowledgeable by others.
It was Your Contribution I was hoping for. You seem to have retreated to a
point of me,me, my, my--and only talk about you and your tribulations.

John

  
- Original Message - 
From: "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list" 
To: "metlist" 
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 9:32 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] U.S to Withdraw From UNESCO



Your emails have been posting to the List thus the response.  Let me 
turn it around,  What have you done for and what can you do for this 
great avocation besides casting a chilling effect on posts by attempting 
to turn them into arguments?

UNESCO was not involved with meteorites until after 2000.  I saw what 
influence UNESCO had on treasure hunting in the 1980s.  Meteorite 
Hunting is a barely alive form of treasure hunting thus the connection. 
I was actively involved with the treasure hunting community for decades 
before it went nearly extinct. I became involved in the meteorite 
hunting aspect of treasure hunting much later in the 1990s. I 
volunteered my time and served two terms on the IMCA board.  Perhaps you 
could make a difference.  Every little bit helps.

Adam



On 10/12/2017 6:03 PM, John Lutzon wrote:
> 
> I was ok with the same personal email to me but since you posted
> to the list
> 
> I agree with one sentance--"For me, knowledge and accurate information are 
> key,"
> 
> So, when you became aware (1980's) of Unesco's possible implications to
> meteorite hunting/ownership did you enact any actions or legislation to 
> Protect
> anyone/anything?
> 
> What Knowledgeable information would you impart to this list on the recent
> decision to remove the US from Unesco?
> 
> What Accurate information would you be willing to impart to this list on the
> ramifications/advantages of our withdrawal from Unesco Regarding Meteorites.
> 
> Remember--knowledge and accurate information are key.
> 
> John
> 
>   
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list" 
> To: "meteorite- >> metlist" 
> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 8:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] U.S to Withdraw From UNESCO
> 
> 
> It is obvious to most that making people aware of UNESCO and what
> effects it may have on our avocation is important, at least to those who
> think long-term.
> 
> I was first made aware of UNESCOs influence on treasure hunting in the
> 1980s.  The late and Great, Richard Norton first pointed out to me what
> influence the Douglass Schmitt paper that ties meteorites to UNESCO and
> ownership laws had on meteorite hunters and collectors.
> 
> I am just spreading the knowledge.  You cannot protect yourself against
> things you know nothing about thus the update.  Some long-term thinkers
> are probably relieved by the News Article while others simply do not care.
> 
> I do see how stupid this is getting to use your terms.  If disbursing
> information is not helpful in your opinion, then it is within your 1st
> amendment rights to express this.
> 
> For me, knowledge and accurate information are key,
> 
> Adam
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 10/12/2017 4:46 PM, John Lutzon wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> And, How are You protecting meteorite collecting?
>> To protect is to do something--not post News articles.
>> What I got from this post is -- something Of Yours
>> was lost and lazy diggers did bad  -- ok, we all got it
>>
>> So, what is your point--other than pointing out that things
>> don't always go well.
>>
>> Maybe you would like to talk about how ancient cultures
>> desercrated iron meteorites by making tools? Maybe you
>> could sue them.
>>
>> Do you see how stupid this is getting.
>>
>> Adam-please
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list" 
>> To: "metlist" 
>> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 6:44 PM
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] U.S to Withdraw From UNESCO
>>
>>
>> I am trying to protect the avocation of meteorite collecting.  I saw my
>> last hobby, "Treasure Hunting" which I was engaged in since 1975
>> completely destroyed by those that thought they were above the fray.
>> The lack of respect for laws and rules resulted in most lands being
>> taken off limits.  Lazy hunters who left holes behind where kids could
>> break their ankles was the start of the end for amateur treasure hunters
>> who left land in better condition then when the entered by removing trash.
>>
>> Meteorite hunting and collecting is being threatened every day.
>>
>> UNESCO is just one of many examples,
>>
>> Adam
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/12/2017 2:57 PM, John Lutzon wrote:
>>>
>>> So much wasted 

Re: [meteorite-list] U.S to Withdraw From UNESCO

[Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list]

Your emails have been posting to the List thus the response.  Let me 
turn it around,  What have you done for and what can you do for this 
great avocation besides casting a chilling effect on posts by attempting 
to turn them into arguments?


UNESCO was not involved with meteorites until after 2000.  I saw what 
influence UNESCO had on treasure hunting in the 1980s.  Meteorite 
Hunting is a barely alive form of treasure hunting thus the connection. 
I was actively involved with the treasure hunting community for decades 
before it went nearly extinct. I became involved in the meteorite 
hunting aspect of treasure hunting much later in the 1990s. I 
volunteered my time and served two terms on the IMCA board.  Perhaps you 
could make a difference.  Every little bit helps.


Adam



On 10/12/2017 6:03 PM, John Lutzon wrote:


I was ok with the same personal email to me but since you posted
to the list

I agree with one sentance--"For me, knowledge and accurate information are key,"

So, when you became aware (1980's) of Unesco's possible implications to
meteorite hunting/ownership did you enact any actions or legislation to Protect
anyone/anything?

What Knowledgeable information would you impart to this list on the recent
decision to remove the US from Unesco?

What Accurate information would you be willing to impart to this list on the
ramifications/advantages of our withdrawal from Unesco Regarding Meteorites.

Remember--knowledge and accurate information are key.

John

  


- Original Message -
From: "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list" 
To: "meteorite- >> metlist" 
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 8:22 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] U.S to Withdraw From UNESCO


It is obvious to most that making people aware of UNESCO and what
effects it may have on our avocation is important, at least to those who
think long-term.

I was first made aware of UNESCOs influence on treasure hunting in the
1980s.  The late and Great, Richard Norton first pointed out to me what
influence the Douglass Schmitt paper that ties meteorites to UNESCO and
ownership laws had on meteorite hunters and collectors.

I am just spreading the knowledge.  You cannot protect yourself against
things you know nothing about thus the update.  Some long-term thinkers
are probably relieved by the News Article while others simply do not care.

I do see how stupid this is getting to use your terms.  If disbursing
information is not helpful in your opinion, then it is within your 1st
amendment rights to express this.

For me, knowledge and accurate information are key,

Adam




On 10/12/2017 4:46 PM, John Lutzon wrote:




And, How are You protecting meteorite collecting?
To protect is to do something--not post News articles.
What I got from this post is -- something Of Yours
was lost and lazy diggers did bad  -- ok, we all got it

So, what is your point--other than pointing out that things
don't always go well.

Maybe you would like to talk about how ancient cultures
desercrated iron meteorites by making tools? Maybe you
could sue them.

Do you see how stupid this is getting.

Adam-please


- Original Message -
From: "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list" 
To: "metlist" 
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 6:44 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] U.S to Withdraw From UNESCO


I am trying to protect the avocation of meteorite collecting.  I saw my
last hobby, "Treasure Hunting" which I was engaged in since 1975
completely destroyed by those that thought they were above the fray.
The lack of respect for laws and rules resulted in most lands being
taken off limits.  Lazy hunters who left holes behind where kids could
break their ankles was the start of the end for amateur treasure hunters
who left land in better condition then when the entered by removing trash.

Meteorite hunting and collecting is being threatened every day.

UNESCO is just one of many examples,

Adam





On 10/12/2017 2:57 PM, John Lutzon wrote:


So much wasted intellect.
My opinion is you could be doing/helping so many people in the
meteoritic community but it "seems" you feel persecuted because
of opinions towards you on the Internet -- this is The World WIDE WEB.
Last I checked--it is not a prosecutable crime to express your Opinion
whether on the internet or not.

However, there is the "chilling effect law" which is prosecutable.
IE: "where speech or conduct is supressed by fear of penalization".

"{Remember what you say is permanently recorded and can be used
against you in a court of law.}" ["Adam Hupe"]. Bad road to go down.

I don't care for what people say about me and good god what they may
think of me--hell, I keep going and I don't have 1/10 of your expertise.

As you may have surmised, I don't care for threatening stupid talk.

All I Really want are discussions about METEORITES.
Not personal BS.

Re: [meteorite-list] U.S to Withdraw From UNESCO

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

I was ok with the same personal email to me but since you posted
to the list

I agree with one sentance--"For me, knowledge and accurate information are key,"

So, when you became aware (1980's) of Unesco's possible implications to 
meteorite hunting/ownership did you enact any actions or legislation to Protect
anyone/anything?

What Knowledgeable information would you impart to this list on the recent
decision to remove the US from Unesco?

What Accurate information would you be willing to impart to this list on the 
ramifications/advantages of our withdrawal from Unesco Regarding Meteorites.

Remember--knowledge and accurate information are key.

John 

 

- Original Message - 
From: "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list" 
To: "meteorite- >> metlist" 
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 8:22 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] U.S to Withdraw From UNESCO


It is obvious to most that making people aware of UNESCO and what 
effects it may have on our avocation is important, at least to those who 
think long-term.

I was first made aware of UNESCOs influence on treasure hunting in the 
1980s.  The late and Great, Richard Norton first pointed out to me what 
influence the Douglass Schmitt paper that ties meteorites to UNESCO and 
ownership laws had on meteorite hunters and collectors.

I am just spreading the knowledge.  You cannot protect yourself against 
things you know nothing about thus the update.  Some long-term thinkers 
are probably relieved by the News Article while others simply do not care.

I do see how stupid this is getting to use your terms.  If disbursing 
information is not helpful in your opinion, then it is within your 1st 
amendment rights to express this.

For me, knowledge and accurate information are key,

Adam




On 10/12/2017 4:46 PM, John Lutzon wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> And, How are You protecting meteorite collecting?
> To protect is to do something--not post News articles.
> What I got from this post is -- something Of Yours
> was lost and lazy diggers did bad  -- ok, we all got it
> 
> So, what is your point--other than pointing out that things
> don't always go well.
> 
> Maybe you would like to talk about how ancient cultures
> desercrated iron meteorites by making tools? Maybe you
> could sue them.
> 
> Do you see how stupid this is getting.
> 
> Adam-please
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list" 
> To: "metlist" 
> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 6:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] U.S to Withdraw From UNESCO
> 
> 
> I am trying to protect the avocation of meteorite collecting.  I saw my
> last hobby, "Treasure Hunting" which I was engaged in since 1975
> completely destroyed by those that thought they were above the fray.
> The lack of respect for laws and rules resulted in most lands being
> taken off limits.  Lazy hunters who left holes behind where kids could
> break their ankles was the start of the end for amateur treasure hunters
> who left land in better condition then when the entered by removing trash.
> 
> Meteorite hunting and collecting is being threatened every day.
> 
> UNESCO is just one of many examples,
> 
> Adam
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 10/12/2017 2:57 PM, John Lutzon wrote:
>>
>> So much wasted intellect.
>> My opinion is you could be doing/helping so many people in the
>> meteoritic community but it "seems" you feel persecuted because
>> of opinions towards you on the Internet -- this is The World WIDE WEB.
>> Last I checked--it is not a prosecutable crime to express your Opinion
>> whether on the internet or not.
>>
>> However, there is the "chilling effect law" which is prosecutable.
>> IE: "where speech or conduct is supressed by fear of penalization".
>>
>> "{Remember what you say is permanently recorded and can be used
>> against you in a court of law.}" ["Adam Hupe"]. Bad road to go down.
>>
>> I don't care for what people say about me and good god what they may
>> think of me--hell, I keep going and I don't have 1/10 of your expertise.
>>
>> As you may have surmised, I don't care for threatening stupid talk.
>>
>> All I Really want are discussions about METEORITES.
>> Not personal BS.
>>
>> Respect, John
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list" 
>> To: "metlist" 
>> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 4:22 PM
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] U.S to Withdraw From UNESCO
>>
>>
>> Here is the infamous Douglass Schmitt paper that tied UNESCO to
>> meteorites in PDF format:
>>
>> http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10./j.1945-5100.2002.tb00897.x/pdf
>>
>> By the way, some people do not think that I see what is posted in
>> Facebook.  Even though I do not subscribe to Facebook, I record anything
>> that pertains to me for future reference.  

Re: [meteorite-list] U.S to Withdraw From UNESCO

[Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list]

It is obvious to most that making people aware of UNESCO and what 
effects it may have on our avocation is important, at least to those who 
think long-term.


I was first made aware of UNESCOs influence on treasure hunting in the 
1980s.  The late and Great, Richard Norton first pointed out to me what 
influence the Douglass Schmitt paper that ties meteorites to UNESCO and 
ownership laws had on meteorite hunters and collectors.


I am just spreading the knowledge.  You cannot protect yourself against 
things you know nothing about thus the update.  Some long-term thinkers 
are probably relieved by the News Article while others simply do not care.


I do see how stupid this is getting to use your terms.  If disbursing 
information is not helpful in your opinion, then it is within your 1st 
amendment rights to express this.


For me, knowledge and accurate information are key,

Adam




On 10/12/2017 4:46 PM, John Lutzon wrote:




And, How are You protecting meteorite collecting?
To protect is to do something--not post News articles.
What I got from this post is -- something Of Yours
was lost and lazy diggers did bad  -- ok, we all got it

So, what is your point--other than pointing out that things
don't always go well.

Maybe you would like to talk about how ancient cultures
desercrated iron meteorites by making tools? Maybe you
could sue them.

Do you see how stupid this is getting.

Adam-please


- Original Message -
From: "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list" 
To: "metlist" 
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 6:44 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] U.S to Withdraw From UNESCO


I am trying to protect the avocation of meteorite collecting.  I saw my
last hobby, "Treasure Hunting" which I was engaged in since 1975
completely destroyed by those that thought they were above the fray.
The lack of respect for laws and rules resulted in most lands being
taken off limits.  Lazy hunters who left holes behind where kids could
break their ankles was the start of the end for amateur treasure hunters
who left land in better condition then when the entered by removing trash.

Meteorite hunting and collecting is being threatened every day.

UNESCO is just one of many examples,

Adam





On 10/12/2017 2:57 PM, John Lutzon wrote:


So much wasted intellect.
My opinion is you could be doing/helping so many people in the
meteoritic community but it "seems" you feel persecuted because
of opinions towards you on the Internet -- this is The World WIDE WEB.
Last I checked--it is not a prosecutable crime to express your Opinion
whether on the internet or not.

However, there is the "chilling effect law" which is prosecutable.
IE: "where speech or conduct is supressed by fear of penalization".

"{Remember what you say is permanently recorded and can be used
against you in a court of law.}" ["Adam Hupe"]. Bad road to go down.

I don't care for what people say about me and good god what they may
think of me--hell, I keep going and I don't have 1/10 of your expertise.

As you may have surmised, I don't care for threatening stupid talk.

All I Really want are discussions about METEORITES.
Not personal BS.

Respect, John




- Original Message -
From: "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list" 
To: "metlist" 
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 4:22 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] U.S to Withdraw From UNESCO


Here is the infamous Douglass Schmitt paper that tied UNESCO to
meteorites in PDF format:

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10./j.1945-5100.2002.tb00897.x/pdf

By the way, some people do not think that I see what is posted in
Facebook.  Even though I do not subscribe to Facebook, I record anything
that pertains to me for future reference.  Remember what you say is
permanently recorded and can be used against you in a court of law.

It seems some dealers do not like what I have to say about piggy backers
and tailgaters. I even had an Original Dealer (OD) violate a
long-standing agreement we had by mentioning my name. Note only this,
there are a few newbie dealers who feel the need to badmouth me and have
reduced themselves to name calling. It is interesting that dealers that
have something to hide are usually the cowards to post in other forums
not realizing that it upsets the majority of collectors and honest
dealers who follow the rules and demand provenance.

Adam


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Re: [meteorite-list] Queensland Museum's new meteorite valued at $100, 000 but priceless to scientists

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

That's what i'm talkin' about 

Any further info would be much appreciated.

Thanks Tom, John

- Original Message - 
From: "Tommy via Meteorite-list" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 8:01 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Queensland Museum's new meteorite valued at $100, 000 
but priceless to scientists


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-13/meteorite-worth-10-proving-priceless-to-qld-scientists/9042334

Regards!

Tom


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[meteorite-list] Queensland Museum's new meteorite valued at $100, 000 but priceless to scientists

[Tommy via Meteorite-list]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-13/meteorite-worth-10-proving-priceless-to-qld-scientists/9042334

Regards!

Tom


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Re: [meteorite-list] U.S to Withdraw From UNESCO

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

And, How are You protecting meteorite collecting?
To protect is to do something--not post News articles.
What I got from this post is -- something Of Yours
was lost and lazy diggers did bad  -- ok, we all got it

So, what is your point--other than pointing out that things
don't always go well.

Maybe you would like to talk about how ancient cultures
desercrated iron meteorites by making tools? Maybe you
could sue them.

Do you see how stupid this is getting.

Adam-please


- Original Message - 
From: "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list" 
To: "metlist" 
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 6:44 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] U.S to Withdraw From UNESCO


I am trying to protect the avocation of meteorite collecting.  I saw my 
last hobby, "Treasure Hunting" which I was engaged in since 1975 
completely destroyed by those that thought they were above the fray. 
The lack of respect for laws and rules resulted in most lands being 
taken off limits.  Lazy hunters who left holes behind where kids could 
break their ankles was the start of the end for amateur treasure hunters 
who left land in better condition then when the entered by removing trash.

Meteorite hunting and collecting is being threatened every day.

UNESCO is just one of many examples,

Adam





On 10/12/2017 2:57 PM, John Lutzon wrote:
> 
> So much wasted intellect.
> My opinion is you could be doing/helping so many people in the
> meteoritic community but it "seems" you feel persecuted because
> of opinions towards you on the Internet -- this is The World WIDE WEB.
> Last I checked--it is not a prosecutable crime to express your Opinion
> whether on the internet or not.
> 
> However, there is the "chilling effect law" which is prosecutable.
> IE: "where speech or conduct is supressed by fear of penalization".
> 
> "{Remember what you say is permanently recorded and can be used
> against you in a court of law.}" ["Adam Hupe"]. Bad road to go down.
> 
> I don't care for what people say about me and good god what they may
> think of me--hell, I keep going and I don't have 1/10 of your expertise.
> 
> As you may have surmised, I don't care for threatening stupid talk.
> 
> All I Really want are discussions about METEORITES.
> Not personal BS.
> 
> Respect, John
> 
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list" 
> To: "metlist" 
> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 4:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] U.S to Withdraw From UNESCO
> 
> 
> Here is the infamous Douglass Schmitt paper that tied UNESCO to
> meteorites in PDF format:
> 
> http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10./j.1945-5100.2002.tb00897.x/pdf
> 
> By the way, some people do not think that I see what is posted in
> Facebook.  Even though I do not subscribe to Facebook, I record anything
> that pertains to me for future reference.  Remember what you say is
> permanently recorded and can be used against you in a court of law.
> 
> It seems some dealers do not like what I have to say about piggy backers
> and tailgaters. I even had an Original Dealer (OD) violate a
> long-standing agreement we had by mentioning my name. Note only this,
> there are a few newbie dealers who feel the need to badmouth me and have
> reduced themselves to name calling. It is interesting that dealers that
> have something to hide are usually the cowards to post in other forums
> not realizing that it upsets the majority of collectors and honest
> dealers who follow the rules and demand provenance.
> 
> Adam
> 
> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] U.S to Withdraw From UNESCO

[Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list]

I am trying to protect the avocation of meteorite collecting.  I saw my 
last hobby, "Treasure Hunting" which I was engaged in since 1975 
completely destroyed by those that thought they were above the fray. 
The lack of respect for laws and rules resulted in most lands being 
taken off limits.  Lazy hunters who left holes behind where kids could 
break their ankles was the start of the end for amateur treasure hunters 
who left land in better condition then when the entered by removing trash.


Meteorite hunting and collecting is being threatened every day.

UNESCO is just one of many examples,

Adam





On 10/12/2017 2:57 PM, John Lutzon wrote:


So much wasted intellect.
My opinion is you could be doing/helping so many people in the
meteoritic community but it "seems" you feel persecuted because
of opinions towards you on the Internet -- this is The World WIDE WEB.
Last I checked--it is not a prosecutable crime to express your Opinion
whether on the internet or not.

However, there is the "chilling effect law" which is prosecutable.
IE: "where speech or conduct is supressed by fear of penalization".

"{Remember what you say is permanently recorded and can be used
against you in a court of law.}" ["Adam Hupe"]. Bad road to go down.

I don't care for what people say about me and good god what they may
think of me--hell, I keep going and I don't have 1/10 of your expertise.

As you may have surmised, I don't care for threatening stupid talk.

All I Really want are discussions about METEORITES.
Not personal BS.

Respect, John




- Original Message -
From: "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list" 
To: "metlist" 
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 4:22 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] U.S to Withdraw From UNESCO


Here is the infamous Douglass Schmitt paper that tied UNESCO to
meteorites in PDF format:

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10./j.1945-5100.2002.tb00897.x/pdf

By the way, some people do not think that I see what is posted in
Facebook.  Even though I do not subscribe to Facebook, I record anything
that pertains to me for future reference.  Remember what you say is
permanently recorded and can be used against you in a court of law.

It seems some dealers do not like what I have to say about piggy backers
and tailgaters. I even had an Original Dealer (OD) violate a
long-standing agreement we had by mentioning my name. Note only this,
there are a few newbie dealers who feel the need to badmouth me and have
reduced themselves to name calling. It is interesting that dealers that
have something to hide are usually the cowards to post in other forums
not realizing that it upsets the majority of collectors and honest
dealers who follow the rules and demand provenance.

Adam


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Re: [meteorite-list] U.S to Withdraw From UNESCO

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

So much wasted intellect.
My opinion is you could be doing/helping so many people in the 
meteoritic community but it "seems" you feel persecuted because
of opinions towards you on the Internet -- this is The World WIDE WEB.
Last I checked--it is not a prosecutable crime to express your Opinion
whether on the internet or not.

However, there is the "chilling effect law" which is prosecutable.
IE: "where speech or conduct is supressed by fear of penalization".

"{Remember what you say is permanently recorded and can be used
against you in a court of law.}" ["Adam Hupe"]. Bad road to go down.

I don't care for what people say about me and good god what they may
think of me--hell, I keep going and I don't have 1/10 of your expertise.

As you may have surmised, I don't care for threatening stupid talk.

All I Really want are discussions about METEORITES.
Not personal BS.

Respect, John




- Original Message - 
From: "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list" 
To: "metlist" 
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 4:22 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] U.S to Withdraw From UNESCO


Here is the infamous Douglass Schmitt paper that tied UNESCO to 
meteorites in PDF format:

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10./j.1945-5100.2002.tb00897.x/pdf

By the way, some people do not think that I see what is posted in 
Facebook.  Even though I do not subscribe to Facebook, I record anything 
that pertains to me for future reference.  Remember what you say is 
permanently recorded and can be used against you in a court of law.

It seems some dealers do not like what I have to say about piggy backers 
and tailgaters. I even had an Original Dealer (OD) violate a 
long-standing agreement we had by mentioning my name. Note only this, 
there are a few newbie dealers who feel the need to badmouth me and have 
reduced themselves to name calling. It is interesting that dealers that 
have something to hide are usually the cowards to post in other forums 
not realizing that it upsets the majority of collectors and honest 
dealers who follow the rules and demand provenance.

Adam


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Re: [meteorite-list] Location of Mauerkirchen Meteorite Samples

[Herbert Raab via Meteorite-list]

Elton writes:
> "Check the British Muse. Catalog of Meteorites.  
> They had a good handle on the holdings of world currations."

I have checked the "Catalogue of Meteorites", as well as a number of databases, 
collection catalogs and inventory list. However, specimens are broken up or 
cut, distributed and traded, and sometimes lost, so updating the published 
information is sometime necessary. And there is quite a number of (mostly 
private) collections that hold specimens that have never been published 
anywhere until now.

Many thanks to everyone who has already sent me some information, and, of 
course, I gladly welcome additional information.

Sincerely,
 Herbert



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Re: [meteorite-list] U.S to Withdraw From UNESCO

[Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list]

Here is the infamous Douglass Schmitt paper that tied UNESCO to 
meteorites in PDF format:


http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10./j.1945-5100.2002.tb00897.x/pdf

By the way, some people do not think that I see what is posted in 
Facebook.  Even though I do not subscribe to Facebook, I record anything 
that pertains to me for future reference.  Remember what you say is 
permanently recorded and can be used against you in a court of law.


It seems some dealers do not like what I have to say about piggy backers 
and tailgaters. I even had an Original Dealer (OD) violate a 
long-standing agreement we had by mentioning my name. Note only this, 
there are a few newbie dealers who feel the need to badmouth me and have 
reduced themselves to name calling. It is interesting that dealers that 
have something to hide are usually the cowards to post in other forums 
not realizing that it upsets the majority of collectors and honest 
dealers who follow the rules and demand provenance.


Adam


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Re: [meteorite-list] MPOD

[Mattias Bärmann via Meteorite-list]

Thanks for your kind words, Anne. Shocking, I just discovered a 
two-headed bear, too.



Am 12.10.2017 um 20:19 schrieb Anne Black:

THANK YOU!

And yes Matthias it is a great Mundrabilla!
But bear or prehistoric Venus?Hard to tell.

Again thanks.

Good thing that Matthias and Jurgen have so many great pieces to show!

Anne M. Black
IMPACTIKA.com


-Original Message-
From: Mattias Bärmann 
To: Anne Black ; meteorite-list 
; valparint 
Sent: Thu, Oct 12, 2017 12:16 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] MPOD


One moment, please ... here: http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpodmain.asp


Am 12.10.2017 um 20:07 schrieb Anne Black:

HHhhmm..

I don't see it. Not on the MetList and not on the IMCA mailing list.
And not in Spam.

And AOL is working, I received plenty of other emails!
Just not that one(s)!


Anne M. Black
IMPACTIKA.com


-Original Message-
From: Mattias Bärmann 
To: Anne Black ; meteorite-list 
; valparint 
Sent: Thu, Oct 12, 2017 11:46 am
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] MPOD


Today's MPOD is on the Tucson Meteorites website, as usual, Anne.


Am 12.10.2017 um 19:01 schrieb Anne Black via Meteorite-list:

Hey Paul!!!

Where is the Picture of the Day??
Computer problem
Webmaster problem?

Or did you really run out of pictures?   Everybody, send pictures.

Anne M. Black
IMPACTIKA.com

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Re: [meteorite-list] MPOD

[Anne Black via Meteorite-list]

THANK YOU!

And yes Matthias it is a great Mundrabilla! 
But bear or prehistoric Venus?Hard to tell.

Again thanks.

Good thing that Matthias and Jurgen have so many great pieces to show!

Anne M. Black
IMPACTIKA.com


-Original Message-
From: Mattias Bärmann 
To: Anne Black ; meteorite-list 
; valparint 
Sent: Thu, Oct 12, 2017 12:16 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] MPOD


One moment, please ... here: http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpodmain.asp


Am 12.10.2017 um 20:07 schrieb Anne Black:
> HHhhmm..
>
> I don't see it. Not on the MetList and not on the IMCA mailing list.
> And not in Spam.
>
> And AOL is working, I received plenty of other emails!
> Just not that one(s)!
>
>
> Anne M. Black
> IMPACTIKA.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mattias Bärmann 
> To: Anne Black ; meteorite-list 
> ; valparint 
> Sent: Thu, Oct 12, 2017 11:46 am
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] MPOD
>
>
> Today's MPOD is on the Tucson Meteorites website, as usual, Anne.
>
>
> Am 12.10.2017 um 19:01 schrieb Anne Black via Meteorite-list:
>> Hey Paul!!!
>>
>> Where is the Picture of the Day??
>> Computer problem
>> Webmaster problem?
>>
>> Or did you really run out of pictures?   Everybody, send pictures.
>>
>> Anne M. Black
>> IMPACTIKA.com
>>
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Re: [meteorite-list] MPOD

[Mattias Bärmann via Meteorite-list]

One moment, please ... here: http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpodmain.asp


Am 12.10.2017 um 20:07 schrieb Anne Black:

HHhhmm..

I don't see it. Not on the MetList and not on the IMCA mailing list.
And not in Spam.

And AOL is working, I received plenty of other emails!
Just not that one(s)!


Anne M. Black
IMPACTIKA.com


-Original Message-
From: Mattias Bärmann 
To: Anne Black ; meteorite-list 
; valparint 
Sent: Thu, Oct 12, 2017 11:46 am
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] MPOD


Today's MPOD is on the Tucson Meteorites website, as usual, Anne.


Am 12.10.2017 um 19:01 schrieb Anne Black via Meteorite-list:

Hey Paul!!!

Where is the Picture of the Day??
Computer problem
Webmaster problem?

Or did you really run out of pictures?   Everybody, send pictures.

Anne M. Black
IMPACTIKA.com

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Re: [meteorite-list] MPOD

[Anne Black via Meteorite-list]

HHhhmm..

I don't see it. Not on the MetList and not on the IMCA mailing list.
And not in Spam.

And AOL is working, I received plenty of other emails! 
Just not that one(s)!


Anne M. Black
IMPACTIKA.com


-Original Message-
From: Mattias Bärmann 
To: Anne Black ; meteorite-list 
; valparint 
Sent: Thu, Oct 12, 2017 11:46 am
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] MPOD


Today's MPOD is on the Tucson Meteorites website, as usual, Anne.


Am 12.10.2017 um 19:01 schrieb Anne Black via Meteorite-list:
> Hey Paul!!!
>
> Where is the Picture of the Day??
> Computer problem
> Webmaster problem?
>
> Or did you really run out of pictures?   Everybody, send pictures.
>
> Anne M. Black
> IMPACTIKA.com
>
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[meteorite-list] U.S to Withdraw From UNESCO

[Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list]

It looks like the U.S. will be withdrawing from politically motivated 
UNESCO which has oversteps its bounds.  You may recall that even though 
meteorites were never mentioned in the rules (laws?) which were later 
twisted to include them as cultural objects and antiques.


http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/12/politics/unesco-us-withdraw/index.html

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Re: [meteorite-list] MPOD

[Mattias Bärmann via Meteorite-list]

Today's MPOD is on the Tucson Meteorites website, as usual, Anne.


Am 12.10.2017 um 19:01 schrieb Anne Black via Meteorite-list:

Hey Paul!!!

Where is the Picture of the Day??
Computer problem
Webmaster problem?

Or did you really run out of pictures?   Everybody, send pictures.

Anne M. Black
IMPACTIKA.com

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[meteorite-list] MPOD

[Anne Black via Meteorite-list]

Hey Paul!!!

Where is the Picture of the Day??
Computer problem
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Or did you really run out of pictures?   Everybody, send pictures.

Anne M. Black
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Re: [meteorite-list] Location of Mauerkirchen Meteorite Samples

[MEM via Meteorite-list]

Check the British Muse. Catalog of Meteorites.  They had a good handle on the 
holdings of world currations.
Remember a lot of German samples were lost in a bombing raid in WW2.
 Regards.Elton

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 4:59 PM, Herbert Raab via 
Meteorite-list wrote:   
Dear curators and collectors,

I am working on a short paper on the occasion of the upcoming 250th anniversary 
of the fall of the Mauerkirchen meteorite (1768-2018). For that, I try to track 
down the current location of as many samples of the Mauerkirchen meteorite as I 
can.

I would therefore kindly ask anyone who owns, curates or just knows the 
location of one or more samples of Mauerkirchen to provide me with some 
information on the number and weight of samples in the respective collection.

Please send the following information to my private e-mail (hraab2...@aon.at):

* Location (place name, e.g. "Vienna")
* Collection name (e.g., "Natural History Museum" or "Neumann collection")
* Number and mass of samples (preferably mass of each sample, or total mass)

Please indicate if you do not want the name of the collection to be published. 
In that case, I will just list the location and "anonymous collection" to the 
list.

Remember to send the information to my private e-mail (hraab2...@aon.at) to 
avoid flooding the mailing list. :)

Many thanks in advance to everyone who sends me a bit of information!

Cheers,
 Herbert

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Re: [meteorite-list] meteorites and geology

[Mr Eman via Meteorite-list]

Can't send you the answer says no mailbox. Rely if you still need am answer

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 9:46 AM, Abdelfattah Gharrad via 
Meteorite-list wrote:   Dear Lists, 
please clarify the relationship between geology and meteorites. 
Thanks,Abdelfattah.

 
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