Re: [meteorite-list] WG: Global Warming - etc

2007-06-11 Thread Allan Treiman

Burning ice??? Is that in the Bible?
Could they have found some methane clathrate?

   aht

Allan Treiman
Lunar and Planetary Institute
3600 Bay Area Boulevard
Houston TX 77058 USA

281-486-2117
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On Jun 11, 2007, at 3:41 PM, Michael L Blood wrote:


Hi Martin,
Actually, many meteorites are reported to have killed  
people

but none I know of that are available or close to having a solid
provenience. One was discussed at length on the list just a couple
of months ago - some Roman officer and a bunch of his men. I
believe the Bible has more than one incident reported as well.
Hell, I would like to have one of the frogs in formaldehyde from
the 7 plagues of Egypt, not to mention the burning ice.
A documented KILLER meteorite? I would buy all I could!
(By the way, Dr. Deits, one of the first to propose  
"continental

drift" in the early 1900s was quoted as saying he wanted to die
being struck by a meteorite, then fossilized and recovered by future
generations).
Best wishes, Michael

on 6/11/07 1:09 PM, Martin Altmann at [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:



Forwarded from Andi Gren, who doesn't come through neither
(well Andi, at least I would pay a good price for that L6, if it  
will hit a

certain person in Illinois...just a joke):


Hi Tim , List , all involved in this interesting treat,

Your suggestion about the Asteroid wiping out half of the planet  
and then be

sold on e bay brings me back to Meteorites.
When I have seen the first time a picture from the Lady hit by the
Sylacauga Meteorite, I was happy to know it's not reported a  
Meteorite ever
kills a person. It makes our hobby in some way more peaceful. But  
I always
asking my self what would happen if a Meteorite would kill a  
person? The
Hammers and Cow killers are well paid and I know Sylacauga was  
very very

well paid at a meteorite auction this year at the Tucson show.
So would the Meteorite be the most expensive L6 ever been sold?  
Ore would
nobody like to own a slice of a human killer hammer? Ok, I'm sure  
everybody
would agree an impact kit is out of respect, but what's about the  
Meteorite,

who would like to own a human killer Hammer?

best greetings
Andi


We are a society that starves our grandchildren to feed our children.

All the signs are there to prove that Mother Earth cannot take  
anymore of

the pollution and the destruction we throw at her.
We are seeing increasing numbers of Tsunami's, Volcanic eruptions and
Earthquakes even here in England we are experiencing this.

One really sad thing I see is one day an Asteroid comes and hits  
us and
wipes out half the planet I see unfortunately some humans would  
try and
drag the remnants of it away and attempt to sell it on Ebay  
because cash

is all that is worshipped.


Mike,

Look at the positive side of this for our hobby and business...

With Global Warming (that some doubt) the Arctic will have less ice,
and our grass and farmlands lands will become deserts.  Just imagine
all the new meteorites that will become exposed and available to us
collectors.

And the prices will go down, too.

But all of these benefits will be far outweighed by the economic  
impact

of Global Warming that the Republican "Bushites" doubt.  A natural
cycle, some say, but look at the ice in the Arctic that  
environmental
scientists are coring.  It certainly shows a vastly greater  
increase in

carbon dioxide emissions over the last 150 years that corresponds
directly to human activity during our Industrial Revolution.  The
greatest increase in 900,000 years.  And just think, 600,000  
years ago

Yellowstone caldera supervolcano erupted, a brief yet catastrophic
event for the entire earth.  It's overall impact was small  
compared to

what we are doing now.

But back to meteorites...   The prices will drop as more are  
found due

to the melting of Arctic ice, desertfication of our grass and
farmlands... But the question is... Who will buy them once the  
economic

crunch of Global Warming hits our pocket books?

Steve Schoner
IMCA #4470



-- Michael Farmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Steve, not likely in our lifetimes, the money that
could have been spent going back to the moon, building
a permant base, then going to Mars, all of it could
have been done with the money we have pissed away in
Iraq. But hey, look at it this way, Haliburton moved
to Dubai to be closer to the money, they are taking
good care of it for us, the taxpayers.
Enough of things that do not pertain to meteorites
though, we have all had our say and I will leave this
topic since I have a meteorite show to attend and then
meteorites to dig up in the Arctic.
Michael Farmer



--- Steve Schoner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


So true Mike Farmer.  That is the problem with our
age.  We want
everything never taking into consideration what we
leave those that
follow us after we are dead and gone.

They will curse us o

Re: [meteorite-list] www.venusmeteorite.com - what are your opinions on this claim

2007-02-14 Thread Allan Treiman

Another way to recognize a Venus surface rock would be from
its "weathering" in the Venus atmosphere. Because Venus'
surface is so hot, and its atmosphere is so rich in carbon dioxide
and sulfur oxides, the surface rocks should have lots of sulfates
and maybe carbonates in them. Water-free sulfates like anhydrite.

  Allan


Allan Treiman
Lunar and Planetary Institute
3600 Bay Area Boulevard
Houston TX 77058 USA

281-486-2117
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



On Feb 12, 2007, at 5:55 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hi Randall and Others:

I did some checking. To quote Tim Swindle: Yes, there may be  
meteorites

from Venus, but we have not found them yet!

It is much more difficult to get something out of the gravity well of
Venus, through the Venus atmosphere, and out of the gravity well of  
the
Sun. It is much easier to get things off Mars and let Poynting  
Robertson

effect, etc. bring it in toward the Earth.

How would we recognize a Venus meteorite?

Argon dating.

Potassium decays to argon. At the temperture of the Venus surface, the
argon would almost immediately escape. So, would not "create" argon 40
that could be retained by a rock until it was out in space.  
Therefore, its

argon "age" would be about the same as its cosmic ray exposure age.

Larry



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[meteorite-list] How to tell which iron is which?? II

2006-10-17 Thread Allan Treiman
Hi, List -    Thanks very much for your suggestions, on and off list, about the liquidation meteorites that might be CD. I saw the two masses today, and they definitely are irons, and look a whole lot like Canyon Diablo. One has a 2" long tubular hole through it! Both have spots of what looks like caliche. They were wire-brushed and maybe oiled too, so their surfaces are not quite natural.  I'm going to do some quick chemical analyses of the rust and the caliche, and compare them with same from a small sample of(real) CD here.     But I don't have any Odessa or Toluca for comparison. Could any of you spare a bit of rust and sand or caliche off your Odessa or Toluca?   Thanks very much.     Allan Allan TreimanLunar and Planetary Institute3600 Bay Area BoulevardHouston TX 77058 USA281-486-2117[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Oct 16, 2006, at 12:25 PM, Allan Treiman wrote:Hi, meteorite list -   I've got a question for you. I've been approached for help in liquidationof an estate (in Texas), which has two iron masses labelled as meteorites.But no information on where they came from. Photos attached below.   They look a lot like irons, and I'm comfortable with a Ni test to tell themfrom terrestrial iron.   But -- any suggestions on how to tell which iron meteorite they might be?To my untrained eye, they look a lot like Canyon Diablo. Anyone had thistype of question come up before?   Thanks for your help.   AllanAllan TreimanLunar and Planetary Institute3600 Bay Area BoulevardHouston TX 77058 USA281-486-2117[EMAIL PROTECTED] __
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