Re: [meteorite-list] R: help me in understand analysis
Dear List;Not to stir the pot ( used to be real good at it), There is room for a legal battle most likely when one starts pointing fingers...and time lawyers are dragged in, it could make a real mess and potentially harm all meteorite transactions. Meteorite lemon law? Adam is cool, a great mentor. With my regards, David Freeman Rock Springs WY 82902 41.6°N 109.22°W (Elev. 6324 ft) On Monday, October 9, 2017 4:34 PM, John Lutzon via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote: Adam, I was truly hoping to join your wagon train by virtue of your great post regarding what to look out for in Ebay sales. I believe it may have helped many people to not make a bad buy. But now, again, you're losing me--again you state that you are aware of 108 bad sales divided by the amount of Dealers and you know who these sellers are -- but you're not tellin'--- smart ! And, you state that the Met-Bull will produce these bad dealers, by what means do you mean?? Deduction ?? If you indeed want to help people Not make a bad deal--then why are you basically making them jump through hoops. You are not helping anyone by keeping this information to yourself. Either Name Them or quit writing about this subjectit's doing no-one any good. Get back on trackyou have alot to offer this community John - Original Message - From: "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> To: "metlist" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2017 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] R: help me in understand analysis I have been getting several requests to name the dealers engaged in less than honest business practices. I have publicly called out those who violated the sanctity of meteorites I was involved with in the past by self-pairing and piggy-backing material I placed on the market. At one point, it was almost a full-time job. I am not interested in creating a "Dealer hall Of Shame" list however you can put one together yourself with a little bit of work. You would be surprised at the number of dealers who are engaged in deceptive trade practices. I found 108 violations out of the 265 lunar meteorites currently listed on eBay by simply cross referencing the Meteoritical Bulletin. There are a lot more than 108 if unclassified material with no numbers is taken into account. For NWA material, the Meteortical Bulletin will assist in providing you with a list of dealers to avoid. Carefully write down the NWA numbers in question and enter them into the Meteoritical Bulletin search text field. Link to the meteoritical Bulletin search page: https://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/ Things to look out for in the bulletin. If there is more material by weight available on the market than what is listed in the bulletin, then there is fraud taking place. If the number of complete stones listed in the Bulletin under a particular NWA number is exceeded, then you are looking at another case of self-pairing which is also fraud. If you are not provided with a complete chain of custody back to the persons name in the bulletin who submitted the meteorite for study, then it is not worth pursuing. If you type in the NWA number or name and no data shows up, it means the stone is not official and has not been approved. It is interesting to see who made the list of dealers to avoid! Happy hunting, Adam __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] August eclipse in Wyoming
My previous post left some confusion, clear night skies for viewing at night would add fun to the day viewing of the eclipse. Clear skies and, With my regards, David Freeman Rock Springs WY 82902 41.6°N 109.22°W (Elev. 6324 ft) On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 10:56 AM, tracy latimer via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote: This will be a big event for astronomy buffs across the US. I managed to snag a room at the Old Faithful Inn for the 4-5 days around the event, and am planning to drive down into Grand Tetons National Park that day for best viewing, about 100 miles. The Bad Astronomer set up one of his Science Ranch Getaways along the path of totality for that period; it sold out within 2 days of being posted. Our tame astrophysicist has a family cabin in West Yellowstone, and has already declared his intent to camp there during the event. Just because you can't make it to the Wyoming area during the eclipse doesn't mean you can't view it; the eclipse cuts a swath across the CONUS from Oregon to North Carolina. Unless you are in the SW or NE corner of the US, you are probably no more than a day or two drive away from good viewing, weather permitting Best! Tracy Latimer From: Meteorite-list <meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com> on behalf of David Freeman via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 9:31 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] August eclipse in Wyoming Dear List; Yes, I'm still around, just taking an extended vacation from being a pain in the postier. August 21st. is a total eclipse. It is causing the motels in Casper and Lander to be booked full already. Rock Springs, (here where I am) is located about a hundred miles from good viewing at South Pass where it is over fifteen miles from the nearest lit light bulb. It is expected to be 99% total from Pacific Springs rest area location on WY highway 28 at the afore mentioned South Pass. Sweetwater County Travel and Tourism is planning on doing something, maybe some field trips, or ? I will make a few more posts as the event comes along time wise. With my regards, David Freeman Rock Springs WY 82902 41.6°N 109.22°W (Elev. 6324 ft) __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] August eclipse in Wyoming
Dear List; Yes, I'm still around, just taking an extended vacation from being a pain in the postier. August 21st. is a total eclipse. It is causing the motels in Casper and Lander to be booked full already.Rock Springs, (here where I am) is located about a hundred miles from good viewing at South Pass where it is over fifteen miles from the nearest lit light bulb. It is expected to be 99% total from Pacific Springs rest area location on WY highway 28 at the afore mentioned South Pass. Sweetwater County Travel and Tourism is planning on doing something, maybe some field trips, or ? I will make a few more posts as the event comes along time wise. With my regards, David Freeman Rock Springs WY 82902 41.6°N 109.22°W (Elev. 6324 ft)__ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Effect of fall of dollar against Euro/ dirham's
Dear List; I agree with Michael. It is a number of issues, one being U.S. debt and taxing makes money tight as does war. Another as Michael puts it is the cost of bread, milk, and eggs, and gasoline which the common folks need, and compete with the meteorite collector in for pricing. Meteorite collector: can I afford an extra $50 a week in energy, food, and other costs and continue to spend my normal amount on my collecting hobby? We Americans collect more than just meteorites. We also collect food and energy and historically at a disportinate rate to other civilized nations. Our food and energy costs are very high now, and intertwined deeply with each other. As other economies rise, the U.S. economy is equalizing, meaning we are in finincial decline. Less money is expendable to collect stamps, second and third cars, METEORITES, bread, milk,and eggs. This decline in business is not just in the meteorite sector. I think big oil is probably a good business to invest in at the moment, but with an election coming soon, maybe not so either. Thanks Michael for the comment. --- Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/8/08 6:44 AM, habibi abdelaziz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: let's hope the dollar will be back high , if not and the trend of the dollar continue this way ; we will have a closed market in nwa.or an expenssive meteorite market. Hi Aziz, We have a strange shift going on in the US. The Republican Party Used to stand for conservative economic spending by the government And the Democratic Party had a reputation of tax and spend on social Programs. However, the past 15 years everything is turning upside down. Clinton brought the national debt down to only 1 trillion $(from a previous 4 when he took office). That made the dollar strong. However, we have had someone who was supposed to be a conservative drive up the national debt to over 7 TRILLION Dollars over the last 7 years, and the result is a very weak dollar. (this is quite easily accomplished when you cut taxes and expand spending) So much for small government - though We do hire out for some of the more important functions. Unfortunately, your comment about what will happen if the dollar Does not get stronger has already happened. It was plain as day at the Last Tucson Show. Prices were the highest I have ever seen since the Flood of African material started. Prices on much of the historic material was actually higher than before the NWA flood and, of course, the NWA Material is at an all time low in volume and high in prices. Someone actually complained that my auction was ruined because So many dealers were buying so much (actually, only about 30%) that They were outbidding collectors. The difference was that the dealers SEE What is happening - and when things are cheaper at the auction than can Be had wholesale they have to bid on it. Clearly, many collectors are in denial and just don't accept that market prices bottomed out 2 years ago And have been on the climb and that cline has steepened the last year Quite a bit. Before long, I don't think anything will be available cheaper Than it was at the height of the market 7 or 8 years ago. Of course, bread, Butter, rent and certainly gas are not nearly as cheap as they were 8 years Ago, either. I just hope Clinton wasn't a one time aberration and at least one of the parties will be financially conservative! If the government wants to Spend $ they will have to tax to pay for it - or, do what they have done the Last 7 years and just print more, which MUST result in a decline in the Value of the dollar. You can't have it both ways - they have been acting like a 15 year old with a credit card. What I don't understand is why there are not more Europeans buying Meteorites from US dealers? With the Euro so strong against the dollar, what An opportunity. Any Europeans out there got an answer? Best wishes, Michael 'Your living is determined not so much by what life brings to you as by the attitude you bring to life; not so much by what happens to you as by the way your mind looks at what happens.' --Kahlil Gibran __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Dave Freeman Freeman's Fossil Sales store front 527 N. Front Street Rock Springs, Wyoming You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Re: [meteorite-list] persieds meteors
On your car's birthday no less? DF Steve Arnold, Chicago!! wrote: Hello list and good evening.Do not forget,next friday the 12th,is the annual persied meteor swarm.It will be able to be seen in the constellation of pegasus.Best viewing will be on the 12th,but viewing will also be possible a day before the 12th,and a couple of days after.I like to get the old binoculars and look at those old shooting stars.It usually is quite the view. steve Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 Illinois Meteorites,Ltd! website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Scorpion and the Turtle wasList policiesand ad posts thoughts
Dear All, Elton has a very good point there. Ssteve is a horses you know what. A blight to collectors and dealers. Ssorry to aafend Ssteve Ffollowers! Sstooges... Dave F. Dawn Gerald Flaherty wrote: Well Elton, your accomplished prose succeeded in driving me to read THE WHOLE THING! Jerry - Original Message - From: E. L. Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AL Mitterling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 2:33 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The Scorpion and the Turtle wasList policiesand ad posts thoughts AL Mitterling wrote: Hi Robert, Jerry and list, Might I suggest?? dividing the list into areas of interests. We could have topics like: Meteorite Information, Meteorite Questions, Meteorite discussion, Meteorite AD's, New Members Area, etc. and so forth. (other ideas would be up to list members) This can be the Meteorite Fables, complete with morals and talking animals Or how about we just shun the aberrant personality until he leaves for good? Boycott buying and selling to him and he might find another community to self destruct in. I still remember the wenching Joel Warren brought to this group. this Sscorpion is more damaging. It isn't ads per se, it is that the integrity of the community is breeched by a personality that holds himself as an honest, uprigh, leading member of the community and to my knowledge has NEVER kept his word on anything EVER posted to the list-and 90% of what goes on off the list. That is am impressive track record for someone who has over 800 posts to the list. The list isn't any different from real life--The members desire to associate only with persons of integrity and who they feel safe with and who isn't taking advantage of their hospitality. Some of those members are beginning to vote with their feet. I may soon join them. I happen to believe that you don't drop your guard around philosophical scorpions you'll be prey of you'll spend most of you energy defending friends from being preyed upon My objections are the repeated pattern of unethical behavior , mind game manipulation, and the theft of enjoyment he brings to the community using WWF Smackdown Tactics of playing everyone off against another. Some people aren't happy unless they can influence the way of things and this particular individual choses to do so by destroying and disrupting-- He is a scorpion it is just his nature. It always has been and always will be--it is just his nature--it- is -j u s t-- h i s --n a t u r e.. It isn't going to change. This Sscorpion doesn't act with malice, it is just his way, it is the standard he lives by and It is nothing personal-- it is just who and what he is. Sstamp out Sscorpions! Elton For those unfamiliar with the fable... The Sscorpion and the Turtle...(adaptation by EJ) In rising tide waters a turtle was preparing to raft the whole community of creatures on MetList-island to another shore when the group was approached by a scorpion for a ride too. The turtle is taken back for he knows of the deadly insidious ven-AD-om of the arachnid-- he has seen the scorpion often inject others with his ven-AD-om All his life he was taught to avoid the beast and his kind for their treachery was well known. Ahem Dear Turtle! ole buddy! ole pal...how about a piggy-back ride to dry land lest I drown? I am a lowly innocent loving caring, team player amongst the creatures here on MetList-Island ! I am generous beyond imagination, and in spite of my appearances I assure you I am harmless...A true leader amongst purveyors of phony er precious pieces of plasmasphere particles ...Why.. you hear from me daily so you shouldn't have any worrys about me and my reputation--Surely You don't pay attention to the things you've read about my private behaviors as he preened his pinchers and thought to himself.. How can anyone resist my Cc-charm? I am sooo col and these are chumps for the picking if you suck up to them Shaking his head no, Turtle speaks up...Oh No! Sscorpion. If I gave you a ride and you stung me in the river we'd all die. And you are certainly preceded by your reputation over and over again. The older turtles who started this island have often spoken of the risk and urged me to never associate with Sscorpions. Ah my Dear Turtle, ole buddy, dearest friend..I can see I can't fool you...Yes I was once a piggish brute but I promise I'll never be that way again-- cross my heart and hope to die..Why if I am not who I say I am...I banish myself from this community! But you wouldn't want me to be left here alone and without friends. Why even if I have been a piggish cad , a egotistical heel, a sycophant lier AND have broken every deal I have ever uttered and have never done pentance...I promise I'd never ever harm you...I am changed-- You are one of my Sspecial friends. You CAN tust me THIS time. I'll trade ya this lovely morsel of starrock...if you'll like me and give
Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) Art...delete me or SSteve from here now! Thank you!
this from a guy who has not known pluto was a planet for centuries? Kashuba, Ontario, California wrote: JK and List, I LIKE the (legitimate) advertisements. It's good to know when new material is available. In the August number of Meteorite magazine Norbert Classen mentions how, late one night, an email on this list from John and Dawn Birdsell led him to one of the gems of his already fantastic collection. I look forward to sales postings by Stefan Ralew, Sergey Vasiliev, Norm Lehrman, Anne Black, Lars Pedersen and others in addition to Bessey, Farmer and the Hupés, all of whom I buy from. John Kashuba Ontario, California - Original Message - From: JKGwilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: DNAndrews [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 10:56 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) Art...delete me or SSteve from here now! Thank you! Dave and List, I know how you feel Dave. But, while I see Steve Arnold #2 as being a substantial problem on the List, he isn't the only problem. A couple of weeks ago I sent a personal email to Art expressing some of my own frustrations and told him I was thinking about leaving the List. What I'd really like to see is for the Meteorite List to regain it's focus on meteorites and get rid of all of the AD posts including all of the reminders about Ebay auctions along with all of the other off topic posts. I know I'm not the only one who is frustrated because I receive lots of commiserating private mail from people after I speak up like I did early today. Maybe I should join ranks with my buddy Dave and take a stand towards cleaning up the Meteorite List. Getting rid of a habitual offender would be a good start. Does anyone else share my opinion or are you content to leave the list the way it is? Regards, JKGwilliam At 09:35 PM 8/2/2005, DNAndrews wrote: Art, please delete either I or Steve Arnold (Chicago) from this list. I will gladly be the sacrificial lamb in this case. I haven't missed a Tucson show in 8 years, but I think I'll be skipping it from now on in the futurethanks to SSteve. I have no desire to associate with this person there or anywhere else for that matter... either electronically or or in person. He has done nothing but damage this great hobby of ours. If you choose me, I will be grateful as I won't have to open up and actually read all these messages that I delete day in, day out. I will still continue on my meteorite hunting trips and my true friends know how to get in touch me for those REAL meteorite hunts. To put it mildly, I'm sure some will be relieved to see me go. But, since SSteve came around, Tucson just isn't the same anymore. Some newbie buffoon that sez he's been around since 1999yeah...right! Count me out. I mean it! So, you choose ArtSSteve or meit won't really hurt me feelings if it is me. Really! (If I change my mind, I can just change my identity like Matteo anyways). Dave Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote: Good evening list.This is the 3rd time I have tried to post on yahoogroups for meteorites,and nothing.I wish I new what the problem is.Anyway I have added more items to my meteorite sale and will extend the half off till sunday the 7th.Just go to my website and look under the sale pages.Sorry for this, but I would like to know why my posts do not go thru on yahoogroups. steve Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 Illinois Meteorites,Ltd! website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Astronomers to Decide What Makes a Planet
Geeze all, I think I was taught in school (and through college lately even) that we had nine planets and Pluto was one of them Where do you quote this not for centuries philosophy, not from the general public. Dave F. Kashuba, Ontario, California wrote: Chris and others, Pluto has not been referred to as a planet for centuries . John Kashuba Ontario, California - Original Message - From: Chris Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 7:00 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Astronomers to Decide What Makes a Planet Not at all. There is a difference between the public misusing something that already has a formal definition (meteor), and the scientific establishment adopting a new definition for a word that has been used in a certain way for centuries (planet)- a definition at odds with how the word is now used. I say come up with a new word. Then the planets are, and always will be, what they are now- the nine bodies from Mercury to Pluto. And scientists won't have to spend the next 100 years qualifying what they mean by planet every time they talk with the lay public. Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dawn Gerald Flaherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 7:05 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Astronomers to Decide What Makes a Planet On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 20:47:39 -0400, Dawn Gerald Flaherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, by the same give up on defining a planet because a planet is what the general public says it is logic, we might as well start calling meteorites meteors, because the general public tends to call meteorites meteors. Or we should accept that apes are monkeys, because the general public calls them monkeys. Or that pterasaurs are flying dinosaurs, because the general public calls them flying dinosaurs. I say come up with a reasonable definition, and if that disagrees with what the general public thinks, then tell the general public to go sit on a bunsen burner. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Shuttle blessing
Dear List: 14 minutes until lift off, God speed to the shuttle crew. Dave F. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Apophis - the personification of chaos in the netherworld
Dear Bernd; Egypto-meteoriticist? Best, Dave F. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rob Matson wrote: I thought the name was perfect! Let's hope the name is not a bad omen! Yes, Apophis or Apepi is the demon serpent of darkness and destruction. The sun god Ra destroys the demon every morning when dawn breaks. You find the serpent depicted in the tomb of Onuris-cha (TT359) where the great cat that is in Heliopolis is killing the evil-doer under an isched tree. Even its hieroglyphic symbol is sometimes shown with knives thrust through it so that it can't do any harm. A similar scene can be found in the 7th hour of the Amduat, the Book of the Dead and a very detailed version can be admired in the tombs of Thutmosis III and Amenhotep II. Best regards, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] An Asteroid Headed Our Way (2004 MN4 -99942Apophis)
Dear all who ponder messing with science; Short of Soylent Green, I prefer most scientific advances. Especially cars, homes heated with refined petroleum, flipping on the switch to see in the dark...I have been known to enjoy a good aspirin now and then, and a refined caffeine product called coffee (not to mention the creamy glazed donuts)! If science and messing with natural selection can double my life span as it does nowI doubt I go back to living in trees and eating roots, berries, and scrounging lion kills... Selected, Dave F. Chris Peterson wrote: A few hundred years ago the bubonic plague was a natural disaster. Should we throw away penicillin? Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: Tom Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] An Asteroid Headed Our Way (2004 MN4 -99942Apophis) Hi List, I have to ask, is it right to mess with mother nature? From the beginning of time cosmic events have been part of nature. If mother nature thinks it's time for mankind to end, then do we have the right to stop it? Natural disasters are part of life, we will never stop earthquakes, tornados, tidal waves, hurricanes or volcano's, because we can not, should we stop asteroids just because we can? I say, let nature take it's coarse! : ) Heck, if it were not for asteroids, we would be watching out for T-rex's when ever we went out to the store for milk! Mother nature knows what she's doing, let her do her thing! Any women right activists out there to give an opinion on this? Thanks, Tom __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: AW: [meteorite-list] Opinion needed
Dear All, My petrified wood associate in Warsaw sends me a western Union wire transfer to my local grocery store's western union window and presto, instant payment! I cans the wire transfer right there or put in my bank for instant credit. Used this method a number of times and has worked well for me. Best, (a hot) Dave Freeman Norbert Classen wrote: Dear Walter, dear Listees, There's a major difference between the European and the US banking systems: while you are used to checks and money orders we are used to bank wire transfers. In fact, the last time I used a check or a money order must be more than 10 years ago. All my banking business is done via wire transfers, and in Europe it's usual and very safe to give away your account number. In fact, I also received many payments from the US, and sent many payments to the US via SWIFT wire transfer. Hey, this is MUCH faster and more safe than any check in the world. Not long ago I payed an American dealer via SWIFT wire tranfer, and he was more than amazed that the money had been deposited on his account in less than 24 hours. This is usual in Europe, as I said before, and payments withing Germany, for example, are sent in real time so that you have access to your funds, within one or two days. It's not that I want to convince you to give away your bank information. It's just that I'm trying to explain a fundamental difference in our banking systems. It's hard for us to get a check (in fact, my bank hates to issue cashier checks, and always insists on doing wire transfers), and I guess the same applies if you live in Finland (also part of the European Union). I guess the seller you're dealing with just doesn't understand why you are insisting on a check or a money order when it's much easier, faster, and more safe to transfer the funds via wire transfer ;-)) My 2 Euro-Cents, Norbert -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Walter Branch Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. Juli 2005 21:57 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Opinion needed Hello Everyone, I was wondering if anyone has an opinion with a problem I have with a meteorite dealer. I am returning a slice of Ghubara for a refund. I feel it was not described adequately. The seller, who is in Finland, wants my bank account number to directly deposit refund funds. My policy is to never give out my bank account number. I have asked for a refund in Internation Money Order, US check, or US cash. Alternatively, this seller uses a service in Minnesota called Western Bid, which is where I sent my check when I paid for the slice and I suggested that I receive a reinbursement check from them. I am 99.9% sure that I will not give out my bank account number but I am seeking opinions from list members on this. Thanks very much. Has anyone come across this situation before? Walter Branch __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Steve's posts--forged ?
Pete wrote: Predictably, you'll keep the flaming going, thereby degrading the legitimacy of the rest of the group. Hopefully, I can keep learning about meteorites from you all without the nonsense to sift through! Maybe Pete could ask Art about the poll recently conducted about Ssteve and how much nonsense this has contributed from a number of parties on the list. All list members that are new and feel sorry for Ssteve should read the list archives for the past few YEARS before chastizing anyone about picking on our poor posterchild for very suspect business practices. And my appologies to the newbies for blindly supporting very poor business practices in the meteorite world. Apologies and only respect to the real group! I am sure that Elton, the real group and I would all accept your apology after you read the archives. Sincerely, Dave Freeman Pete Pete wrote: Hello, List! Hi, (Elton?); Elton, I guess your post means you're in charge of the If you're not with us, you're against us department here. I'll try to calm your suspicions of me being a figment: (your cyber-snooping indicates you've got way too much time on your hands, and definitely lost focus of this newsgroup. You're the type of person that makes firewalls, worm protection and anonymity on the web unfortunately necessary these days. See below - all you had to do was ask!) First, I'm not on anyone's side here. I'm here to learn about meteorites from people as interested in them as I am. Being virtually at the beginner level, I have little to contribute. Therefore, my lack of postings shouldn't be suspicious to you. My profession is in the sciences, and I've got a fair working knowledge of my primary personal interest - astronomy. I'll chat anything from quantum physics to orbital calculus with you, if you'd like, but that would be a bit off topic... Meteorites are a relatively new concentration for me. I thought I had found one last summer, and after that excitement, I was truly bitten by this field. (No - it wasn't one) I belong to several news groups and blog sites covering a wide variety of interests. I joined the Meteorite List about a week ago and it's been the benefit I sought. My meteorite collection consists of one decent sample of the Brenham pallasite, and although it was a gift, I guarantee it wasn't purchased through Steve. I don't know Steve. I have visited his web site. Without criticism meant; though I could see his obvious enthusiasm by his collection (which would be very interesting to see close-ups of each sample), I found it mundane and uninformative. ***It looks like a new site, and I'm sure it will eventually improve. (But, hey! That's his business and his web site) I'm not here to fight his battles. I have no interest in what's behind the abrasion between you. My post was out of frustration. As I said, I'm with several lists and blogs spread over several interests - some with the expected rude and crude free-for-alls by experts - and I enjoy them all, but seeing a gaggle of insulting flamers in action a couple of times already in a supposedly science oriented group was disappointing to see here, and I reacted. Predictably, you'll keep the flaming going, thereby degrading the legitimacy of the rest of the group. Hopefully, I can keep learning about meteorites from you all without the nonsense to sift through! Apologies and only respect to the real group! Pete From: E. L. Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Steve's posts--forged ? Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 23:15:16 -0400 Hello Cyber Sleuth's and Peace Loving Meteorite Enthusiasts! I am not in anyway trying to participate in the latest round of I, Steve. (But by writing this I guess I am and I have previously apologized for THIS post in my previous posts) This is about the supporters of His Works perhaps following the Matteo Protocol. I've wondered for some time why the few supporters of Chitown Ste2ve that speak up on the list, generally have throw-away, easy-to-fake email addresses... They post in Steve's hour of distress then they disappear into oblivion--never answering their emails. Never posting on any other topic so far as I can recall. Makes me wonder how real those support emails are. I guess when you have as few real friends as some ex dealers-- er Limited Dealers have , one would be tempted to start a dialog with one's alter -ego. Anyone know where ISP [65.54.175.200] and [bay104-nat1.bay104.hotmail.com] are located. My tools say the domain doesn't exist. DNS query for *65.54.175.200* failed: *Queried domain does not exist.* Surely Chitown Ste2ve isn't so sophisticated as to cover his cyber tracks. er His supporters aren't so sophisticated as to cover his tracks...er their trackser you know what I mean. Speak up, Pete, show us you aren't a figment of someone's imagination. I like to know who
Re: [meteorite-list] meteor-wrong (most likely)
Dear Marcin; We collect many oddities, shirokovsky is a great oddity! Some of us have a brick from the old H.H. Ninninger Meteorite Museum, and some have a piece of very collectable toilet porcelain from there as well. Wild crazy oddities are collectable, even at respectable prices. Viva collecting oddities! Future: ink pen once used by O.Richard Norton for signing his books, magnet used by Bob Haag, sandal owned by Michael Blood, anything touched by Bernd Pauli! Best, Dave F. (and a meteorwrong found by me might be a collectable oddity) Meteoryt.net wrote: Cheap is a relative term. It is a lot cheaper now versus when it was first sold as a new pallasite find. But since it is cool looking material that appears to be similar to a pallasite, it is still not $0.10/g or lesslike cheap chondrites and irons. Pricing is still in the $1 to $3 per gram range. See the site below for pieces at $1.50/g. http://www.polandmet.com/ Thanks Someone can laugh that pallasite-wrong cost few times more than Brahin pallasite(ebay curiosity), but there is just areound 3 importand reassons for this in my opinion: First Shirokovsky is verry stable. I personally in around 800g of slices find only one with rust. This looked like accident in preparing this single slice. Second, Half of market success of Shirokovsky is this how this mineral was prepared. Give us 1mm thin brahin slices with 90% transparent olivines, and I (and not only me) pay more than for Shirokovsky. Third Its just cool looking thing, and we collecting cool things, so its must-have specimen in our collections not mater if this is meteorite or not. Good night all -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] to the list,an apology
I want to apoligize to all the good people on this list for my brash email I sent this morning.There was no harm intended.It was plain stupid.I should have just kept it private.From now on,no more sales,no more trades,no more givaways,no more jokes... Dear Ssteve; We all grow very tired of your repeated repeated repeated apologies, and your bologna and fake being sorry, and your out right lies of no more trades, sales of a high percentage of Phony-Factorand your very sad persona. Stupid is as stupid does in your case. Especially the LTD part...phony as you are! Dave F. Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote: Hello list I will be short.I want to apoligize to all the good people on this list for my brash email I sent this morning.There was no harm intended.It was plain stupid.I should have just kept it private.From now on,no more sales,no more trades,no more givaways,no more jokes,just METEORITES.I am really getting tired of all the hate emails from everyone,and I know I deserve.I again apologize to all the list members.It will never happen again. steve Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 Illinois Meteorites,Ltd! website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Steve Arnold #1
...and the #2 is a long, long way's behind the #1! Try following the complete library of Ssteve Arnold #2's critically inputted archives. Dave F. Dawn Gerald Flaherty wrote: Hi Dana, I kinda missed Steve's post but as to the #1, there is a second Steve Arnold on the List. Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: Dana [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 9:59 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Steve Arnold #1 Since you made so many statements about the article link I had posted. Let me point out a couple of things. I don't know what large is to them... However, I do know this, that in 2003 what might be the largest meteorite to be recovered on Indian soil came from this area. Secondly, it would seem one of these beauties found in 2003, big or not in our eyes, is from a rare primitive carbonaceous chondrites group. Making it a very special interest. Thanks for telling me the area is wow like the size of TX, but narrow that down to the western part and then I think you might really be telling me something worth while. LOL How big is the western part of frigging TX? Does anyone else know of ANY area with 10 falls in the past 10 years? Like as in happening now, a current event that is occurring in an area smaller than the size of western TX or even the same size cuz July ain't over. The meteorites fall from April to July. So I think is is safe to say its an annual event. Now that is consistent! I mean if you bleed out your ears every year for 10 yrs during the months of April-July wouldn't you think that is consistent? Shit call this indian/hillbilly stupid, but I will say yes. Are you saying that because they do not know the origins of the falls, that you yourself do? Enlighten me please! I mean we all know the basics of meteorites and so do they, but they are wanting to know which meteorite has left this trail or if ifs more than one. The article may have been poorly written. I agree. However, it was not posted for that reason. It was posted because you never know who will be where or when from this list. The information might not mean shit to you. However, I myself found it worthwhile in the fact that this is exactly the type of area that might be worth keeping our eyes on if the activity continues. Even if you or I never hunt that area there may be others on this list that will, do, or have. That is why I posted the link. I know everyone here on the list will want to shoot me for asking, but good God gravy what is with the #1 under your name? Sincerely, Dana Hawn __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Next vacation: Rajasthan.
Dear Doug, List; Here is a little quote I have found quite interesting There is a grandeur in this view of life, with it's several powers, having beeen originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed laws of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being evolved. Charles Darwin's last words in the Origin of Species By Means Of Natural Selection circa 1859. I revel in the use of Creator and evolved being so closely used in the same paragraph. To our Florida friends DUCK! David F. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Manoj P. wrote: I do not buy that story of Life could have originated outside earth. This theory was originally raised by Sir Fred Hoyle and Professor Chandra Wickramasinghe of University College, Wales. Their publications included ``Diseases from Space'' (1979)... Hola List Manoj, Please don't throw out the baby with the bathwater, Manoj. Wickramasinghe, who had the opportunity to study with Fred Hoyle, is a contemporary, though more limited, Sri Lankan version of what Carl Sagan was to the world. Carl Sagan certainly published his thoughts on panspermia before the gentlemen you mention, and probably is still the most influential voice for panspermia even after his passing. Manoj, the theory of life originating outside of earth was not originated by the recent nebular life origins extremists Chandra with Fred's support. It goes back at least to the ancient Greeks. Anaxagoras a bit after 500 BC, a meteoritical expert at the time (and tutor of Diogenes), discussed panspermia. The Swede Svante Arrhenius wrote, the same year he won the Nobel prize in chemistry: The Propagation of Life in Space, Die Umschau, 7, p. 481 (1903), which integrated the panspermia theory into a relatively rigorous format. (What Hoyle and Wickramasinghe have been erroneously given credit for by you and others). Irish-born Lord Kelvin in 1871: ...we must regard it as probable in the highest degree that there are countless seed-bearing meteoric stones moving about through spaceWhen two great masses come into collision in space it is certain that a large part of each is melted; but it seems also quite certain that in many cases a large quantity of debris must be shot forth in all directions, much of which may have experienced no greater violence than individual pieces of rock experience in a land-slip or in blasting by gunpowder The hypothesis that life originated on this earth through moss-grown fragments from the ruins of another world may seem wild and visionary, all I maintain is that it is not unscientific. Hope this helps. It cracks me up to always see new guys voming along and taking credit for ideas that are ancient. What's worse is when others start repeating these claims! Saludos, Doug __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Portales Valley Classification Info
Tom said: just thought it was interesting that it may turn out I am not as stupid after all. And that would be where on a scale of one to ten? David W. Freeman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Knudson Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 12:39 PM To: Bob Holmes; Robert Woolard; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Portales Valley Classification Info Hi Bob, The word 'lazy' came from your post, not mine. I know, sorry if I made it sound like you said it. I wanted to know if it was laziness or what that stopped the study and labeled PV as an ordinary chondrite. Perhaps there was an error in the initial classification, but obviously many people realized the need for clarification and were quite diligent in their pursuits. And that is such great news, PV deserves it!!! This is an ongoing process. I for one, thank Jeff Grossman for standing up and explaining what the process was. I agree, Jeff's post was very enlightening! You complain about all the negativity on the list, but here you are again (the Pope, Barringer, remember?), espousing negativity. I did not bring up the pope, there was no reason for news about him to be on the list. If someone brings up the pope, I am going to respond. Barringer, yes I brought him up, but I can not help myself, when I hear that name, it brings out my bad side. But, I am not espousing negativity with this PV stuff. I think this is very positive, my favorite meteorite getting recognized for what it is, a truly great meteorite! I was insulted by many list members being told that I was not smart enough to question the classification, the Lazy thing did not go over very well, but I was told, who do you think you are, to think that the scientist made a mistake. I just thought it was interesting that it may turn out I am not as stupid after all. Thanks, Tom peregrineflier - Original Message - From: Bob Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tom Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Robert Woolard [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Portales Valley Classification Info Tom, The word 'lazy' came from your post, not mine. Perhaps there was an error in the initial classification, but obviously many people realized the need for clarification and were quite diligent in their pursuits. This is an ongoing process. I for one, thank Jeff Grossman for standing up and explaining what the process was. You complain about all the negativity on the list, but here you are again (the Pope, Barringer, remember?), espousing negativity. What is it you want from 'them'? Bob - Original Message - From: Tom Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bob Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Robert Woolard [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 10:50 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Portales Valley Classification Info Hi Bob, I don't believe you were ever chided for questioning the need for reclassifying, I believe the problem stemmed from your derogatory remarks about those working (or not working, lazy, as you assert), on PV. AND as you can see now, work was being done, they were not sitting on their hands, doing nothing. Further, it seems to me as though they had a new type of class and wanted to be sure of their results. now have the proposed reclassification of PV as an H7, metallic-melt breccia (primitive achondrite), with the case made for a new meteorite type designation of Portalesite due to this metallic-melt breccia characteristic. If this proposed reclassification happens, what does this say about the original classification? Was it wrong? Was it a rush to judgment? Did they not want to take the time out to study it enough to properly classify it (lazy)? How could it go from an H6 ordinary chondrite to a Portalesite, H7, metallic-melt breccia (primitive achondrite) Did it experience a metamorphous between studies. I did not call anyone working on it lazy, I asked why the original group did not make up a new classification for this unique meteorite. Apparently Alex Ruzicka, Marvin Killgore, David Mittlefehldt, and Marc Fries among others I am sure, could see this meteorite needed to be studied further and thought it needed to be something more than an H6 ordinary chondrite. If this reclassification does happen, I think my question back in March of 2004 is a fair and valid question, why was PV called a H6 ordinary chondrite? Astronomers are always being reprimanded for telling us a killer asteroid is going to strike the Earth next year. They come out and say it before they get all the information and when they finally do get all the information, they look bad for jumping the gun. A scientist came out and said PV was an H6 ordinary chondrite. Now it looks like all the
Re: [meteorite-list] Buckleboo
Carry on Dude? Be cool man! Groovy! Michael L Blood wrote: on 4/21/05 1:58 PM, Martin Altmann at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Buckleboo - Has anyone explained what this means, signifies, implies or otherwise impels some people on the list to include it in their posts? Michael __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Buckleboo
Well heck, I guesss I start a new trend too. Rock Springs! L6 Found near I-80 in SW Wyoming Dave F. Rock Springs! ROCKS ON FIRE wrote: Buckleboo is a H6 Chondrite found near Buckleboo railway siding (992g) in South Australia. It is displayed at Adelaide Museum. If you are interested to buy Buckleboo Station (a farm), it for sale just now: http://www.buckleboo.com/buckleboo/index.htm Come Down-Under! Best regards from DOWN-UNDER, Norbert Heike Kammel ROCKS ON FIRE IMCA #3420 David Freeman wrote: Carry on Dude? Be cool man! Groovy! Michael L Blood wrote: on 4/21/05 1:58 PM, Martin Altmann at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Buckleboo - Has anyone explained what this means, signifies, implies or otherwise impels some people on the list to include it in their posts? Michael __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Farmer's ads
He does sort of remind us of good 'ol Joel! ..and what ever happened to that Mario Daniel fella', where did he sneak off to? Alias's ..is Bill actually Joel, or even Mario in disguise? DF erMr. Burton Ernie Michael Farmer wrote: Bill, those aren't ads, although they are of items for sale. They are links to spectacular oriented meteorites. sorry I piss you off so much. You really remind me of Joel Warren. And I know it is you on the blog, several people have commented to me the same thoughts. Enjoy your crusade to cause every person on this list trouble. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Karin Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 8:55 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: Farmer's ads Karin, I'm not looking to slam anyone. Mike, you're right about the lazy part. The thing is that we all know how you have posted your ads in the past. You're a hard head. Your future ads will tell the story. Thanks Karin. Bill Here you go, Bill. It took me 5 minutes looking at recent archives. Be my guest, http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2005-March/171375.html http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2005-March/171376.html http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2005-April/172345.html - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD OT Bill, everyone here can see this, again, show me one recent email I have sent to the list without ad or sale in it. Respect this request or stop saying it. You are too lazy to back up your charges by searching the archives? Give us a break and actually do something on this list but post nasty replies to others. Mike _ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] kevins book
Ssooo when do we see it for sale? Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote: Hi list.I like everyone else I am sure are equally enthused by kevin kichinka's new book.I just got my copy via walter branch,who put his on ebay and I bought it.It truly is an outstanding book.My copy says number,#12.Wow and early signed copy.This is right up there with nininger books.Truly outstanding.Congrats kevin on a great book.I hope to see another one someday.Every collecter should have one. steve arnold, chicago Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] The Big Saw
Dear List; Is there anyone in the western U.S., not too far from WY that has a 36 saw, that might be interested in cutting a little material? Thanks in advance, Dave F. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Microwave my meteorites?
Dear Maria; My neighbor is a white's detector salesman and a few years back he went to Odessa and hunted the field briefly in the 99 degree heat. His guide was none other than James Williams, Rocks from Space page 136. Ron used the top of the line two piece deep penetrating unit White's had out at the time. The plan was to search 3-10 feet deep for items that the regular detector crowd had missed. Between the heat and the pipelines in the area The deep seeking unit did not produce any meteorites in the four hours of searching. Ron did find some real nice odessa's in Mr. Williams collection though. Ron felt with a better weather condition that he would have done much better but noted that Odessa is an old oil boom town and there is a great deal of metal around. Digging 10 foot holes for pipe thread protectors would not be productive so maybe the area would have to be a bit more primitive to have the deep penetrating radar be more successful. No snow in my part of the rockies, Dave F JKGwilliam wrote: Maria, One of our list members, Keith Vazquez, has been using GPR for many years and has used it to try and locate meteorites. Keith is currently recovering from some surgery and might be off his oats for a while but I'm sure he'd be happy to post some info and stories to the list. Best, John Gwilliam At 05:33 AM 4/11/2005, Maria Haas wrote: I have lightly discussed with another listmember about using GPR (Ground Penetrating Radar). Perhaps someone could offer some info on how beneficial that is in the field. Kind Regards, Maria __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] In defence of IMCA ISSUES
Dear Michael; Consider what would happen if you had a mess going on. Would you want a whole bunch of private things being broadcast all over the front page of the meteorite community? You have been accused of some less than glorious events in your past and I doubt that you would relish the broadcasting of that all over the internet. Before you bitch too much about steve's issues, please ponder what it would be like to have skeletons from closets being dumped on to the world of meteorite collectors. I highly respect the posture of the IMCA not releasing a pile of personal issues about this action. I think you should respect the decision in realizing they are honest people and accept that fact. Nondisclosure of private issues in in my opinion, is commendable. If steve wanted you to know all of the details, I am quite sure he would tell you too. Think about that. Maybe there are many that do not want you, or others to know these private issues. Again, there are issues that all of us have that are better off not disclosed to the whole meteorite central list or the collectors list or the IMCA general membership. Get off the soap box. Dave Freeman Michael L Blood wrote: Hi John, I, too, received an email from Anne Black, listed as an IMCA post stating Chicago Steve was no longer a member, effective immediately. However, there was no explanation - nothing about his quitting, nothing about his ejection as a disciplinary action - and if so, for violation of what rule(s), etc. I considered this inappropriate (not necessarily such a dismissal, but failure to provide info on rules violation or the like). In fact, without this information, I felt it was so inappropriate as to approach the definition of gossip. I find it quite disturbing for a body considering itself official to conduct itself in such a manor. I wrote Steve, asking if he withdrew from membership or was ejected. Regardless, would he be willing to share with me his reason (if he left) or the reason given him if he was dismissed. I was shocked to hear back from him that some other people contacted me as well, asking the same question and I don't know WHAT is going on. This is the first I have heard of it (this may not be the exact wording, as it was a phone message and I did not save the recording, but that is the exact content of his verbal response). If Steve is being truthful, (and I have no reason to particularly doub that he is) I am now doubly concerned that this is how business is being conducted by this body and am beginning to have concerns about its organizational credibility, altogether. Again, I am not debating whether or not Chicago Steve violated (a) rule(s) worthy of dismissal - my issue is the process I am witnessing. Are others equally concerned? Best wishes, Michael on 4/10/05 5:59 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, What do we know here? Jans and I, and others read an email that said Ste was not a member of IMCA anymore effective immediately. Two possibilities: 1. Se quit. (Jans interpretation) 2. Sttte... was canned, dropped, given the boot, fired, dismissed, let go, banished, kicked out, etc. (my initial reaction) What is the truth with the IMCA? Someone knows... As for being threatened with bodily harm by the Meteoritepolice. That is Se..'s story sent to Jans. What is the truth in regards to this threat story? Two people know the truth if there is such a person as Meteoritepolice. And, are we going to believe Sttte...'s story about Big Vito and a set of Campos tied around his ankles. The truth is out there, but I doubt we know it yet. 5 more days, John -- Original message from Jan Bartels [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- Dear List, I just found out what a great hobby we all have. Collecting meteorites, talk about it with so many friends and read all these great messages here on the listfun!! Now i'm not such a wild type of person who wants to be involved with problems or all the nagging going on lately on this list but something has happened that really concerns me. I just read Steve Arnold has left the IMCA. Since i don't have any personal problems with Steve i contacted him and asked him what's going on. It seems someone is threaten him with bodily harm if things will continue the way they are. Someone who has meteoritepolice as his mailing adress is sending this message as it seems. Now this is really getting sick!! If all this is true where is this all going to? So many times i read the rubbish of others on this list and who are just getting away with it,even when they have been told to leave the list and/or the IMCA by so many members and still nothing happens. Now we start to use violence!!??sickreally...sick!! I know Steve has made mistakes. I have seen many others made so many more. For the real oneshappy collecting!! Jan
Re: [meteorite-list] boycott imca
I support Mr. Andrews completely. Anyone bright enough to figure out the mouse and keyboard..that can read, should have seen this one coming down the trail a long way off. This whole issue reminds me a bit of good old Forest Gump. Stewpid-izz-azz-stewpid-duz! Who would love to say more on this issue. Dave Freeman DNAndrews wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve the scapegoat. How convenient. An impotent organization flexed it's flabby muscles and worked over the least of it's brethren. Sickening. I think collectors should boycott anyone associated with the imca. Bill Scapegoat? I can't believe how nieve some of you are. If one was to actually read their emails over the last year, one would understand why the IMCA did what they did. Rhett Bhourland isn't a board member any longer, so he is acting on his ownnot in the interest of the IMCA. (And that's just Steve's word on things and not fact). Look listen and learn. There are many list members (other than IMCA) that have had issues with Scapegoat Steve for quite sometime now. That's all I will say on the issue, Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What's this? -for the geology experts out there
Dear Bob, Graham, and list; I should entitle this thread treatise on common colored stone. Throughout my rock involved history, I have come to the conclusion that picking up colored Earthly trinkets is extremely healthy for our physics. From the inquisitive child-like mind, we note the different and unusual. We strive to be different and in that, collect the different. The mind of the collector, whether young and highly inquisitive, or mature and studious all tend to look for the odd, the different, the non-normal. This thread of daring has been the spark to inventors in our culture, that all apples are red, what's with the green one symbolism. As we evolve to master scientists in our own amateur way, we all must not forget the pretty rock, the odd rocks that don't fit the mold, the mini cooper of the mineral world if you will as collecting non common specimens is a learning process for the mind. Growing out from the norm, being meteorites in our minds eye, is added to by the excitement of an unusual specimen of a different nature. It truly adds to our world of appreciation to hastily grab up that odd rock as if we were all self reserved to only collecting the norm, it would be a very boring and unstimulating world in deed. It is always better to arrive home with special, unusual rocks than to return home empty handed from a day of searching for manna from heaven and to have arrive a little short with an empty sack. Treatise your rocks with compassion! Dave Freeman Rock Springs, WY Graham Christens wrote: Brother Bob, that is a fine specimen of probably exactly what I have and I'm glad to see I'm not the only one picking up every odd coloured rock and dragging it home. Thanks for showing that. And here is an in-situ image showing where I found my green rock Haha! If only! I can probably borrow someone's grinder maybe tomorrow or dig though some boxes and find my dremel tool to cut off a piece. I agree that it's hard to tell with a rough stone like that. Later this month a professor of martian geology at the University of Alberta is taking me on a tour of the meteorite collection there so I will take this rock along when I go and see what he thinks as well. Wouldn't I be emabarassed if I was wrong, and my wrong wasn't? Nope, I would imagine that you would be too busy being ecstatic about pulling off the impossible...again! Oh well, all is not lost. I DID find a chunk of garnet today :-) (at least I think that's what it is) http://www.geocities.com/aerolitehunter/garnet.jpg Seeing as how it's 7 AM, I think it's about time I went to bed. Goodnight all and happy hunting! Green rock picker-upper 4 life, Graham ~ Graham Christensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/aerolitehunter msn messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Robert Verish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 6:00 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] What's this? -for the geology experts out there Hello Brother Graham and List, http://marzmeteorite.tripod.com/mars-rocks/2mars1not.jpg As you can tell from the above image, Brother Graham and I belong to the same fraternity - The Fraternal Order of Green Rock Picker-Uppers. And here is an in-situ image showing where I found my green rock: http://marzmeteorite.tripod.com/mars-rocks/MRF04996.jpg Actually, Graham, my story is much shorter than yours. I found my little shergo-not just last week, and only a few miles from my backyard. It was still sitting on top of my monitor when I read your message and saw your great looking image. It prompted me to share my image with you. And, as in your image, I placed a small slice of DaG 476 in front of my Mars-wannabe. For added effect, I placed a larger slice of the DaG 670 stone to the right of my m-wrong. As a rule, I don't hazard a guess about a rock-type based solely on an image. Too many times I've had to change my opinion about a rock-type after examining a cut surface. So, if you show me the inside of your rock, I'll show you the inside of my rock! ;-) It's true. I haven't cut my little rock, yet. And to be truthful, I haven't had it examined by an expert, so I can't say with 100% certainty that my rock is a shergo-not. Wouldn't I be emabarassed if I was wrong, and my wrong wasn't? Bob V. --- Original Message [meteorite-list] What's this? -for the geology experts out there Graham Christensen voltage at telus.net Thu Apr 7 05:21:16 EDT 2005 Hello list I've had this rock sitting on my kitchen table since last year when I picked it up along the side of the road while out for a walk. It is a fairly smooth green rock with black bits in it and it looks somewhat like my DAG 476 shergottite but it's a slightly lighter shade of green. I have yet to grind an end off to see what the inside looks like but there are a couple
Re: [meteorite-list] Weird Meteorite-Related News Story
Dear Jerry; Now what does Pink Floyd have to say about your pending claim to the dark side of the moon? Best, Dave F. Jerry A. Wallace wrote: Geoff, Interesting story. I noticed this at the bottom of the story: For more than 20 years, Budnick tried to file and peddle mining claims in such diverse places as George's Bank, the asteroid belt, Mars and the moons of Jupiter. After trying several states without success, he finally persuaded Texas authorities to accept his astral mineral rights claims in 1984. Texas is a bit unique and far more liberal than most other states about filing and eventually granting and /or recognizing land claims. Just because the claim is not on our particular planet is somewhat irrelevant to our state government boneheads. Please Note: My own claim for the dark side of the moon is still pending but I expect it to be approved soon. Regards, Jerry Notkin wrote: Dear Listees: Check out this story from the Associated Press. Be sure to read half-way down the article, where it says, Budnick, who claimed he had accidentally given Gauthier a bottle of acid he kept in his garage for cleaning his collection of meteorites . . . http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=647000 And the story is from Springfield, Mass. too. To think, we might have seen this character at the Springfield show? Mining claims on Mars, indeed? Sounds like our kind of guy. Geoff N. p.s. And this is nothing to do with my April Fool's article about the ants, which a number of List members thought was for real. I'm a little worried about some of you guys: ) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Does this rectify negative feedback?
Being? Using the term rather losely aren't we? DF DNAndrews wrote: Hi Norbert, With this one, just consider the source. Please don't judge all Americans by this one being. Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Missing main mass of Chassigny discovered
Here in Wyoming, on April 1st. we celebrate the annual shoveling of the early Spring horse corrals. DF [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/31/2005 11:42:34 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello Pierre-Marie, I need to tell you something about the timing of your big announcement. You made your announcement on April 1st! This happens to coincide with a special holiday here in America, known as April Fools Day. To understand what I mean, you should do a Google search on those keywords. ;-) Bob V. -- It does exist in France too. I think this is a Great Big Poisson d'Avril And a very good one! Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] President, I.M.C.A. Inc. www.IMCA.cc __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] oh oh...now my Kendrapara its Zag
have been girlfriendthat answers it all... df M come Meteorite Meteorites wrote: I have been girlfriend but its Farmer broken me with idiocy opinions on my meteorites Matteo --- Randy Mils [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matteo Do us all a favor and get a girlfriend to occupy your time. If you get a little I am sure it will reduce your stress level and make you forget all about Farmer. Randy - Original Message - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] oh oh...now my Kendrapara its Zag : if I show to you the pieces of NWA mesosiderite I have here this have many + black crust of the Farmer mesosiderite. Matteo M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Nuovo Yahoo! Messenger: E' molto più divertente: Audibles, Avatar, Webcam, Giochi, Rubrica. Scaricalo ora! http://it.messenger.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Nuovo Yahoo! Messenger: E' molto più divertente: Audibles, Avatar, Webcam, Giochi, Rubrica... Scaricalo ora! http://it.messenger.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Garmin etrex GPS question
Dear List, lost and found associates; In the orienteering class I took at the Library last fall with the local search and rescue representative conducting the class, he had us in SW Wyoming set to NAD 27 CONUS datum as that is the age of the maps here the BLM and Sweetwater County uses. Also northing and easting will get search and rescue out to you faster. A different world indeed. Best, Datumdave DNAndrews wrote: Pele, Go to Main Menu, Setup, Units and set your GPS for Datum WGS 84, Statute Miles. If you are corresponding to a US Geological Survey 7.5 topo, you might want your position format as hddd°mm'ss.s. Hope this helps, Dave Pelé Pierre-Marie wrote: Hello to the List, I know some of you use the etrex GPS (Garmin). I would like to know how to configure it for the western USA (California, Arizona, Nevada). Which geodesic system should I use to have correct gps coordinates in the USA ? Thanks in advance, Pierre-Marie PELE www.meteor-center.com __ Découvrez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail : 250 Mo d'espace de stockage pour vos mails ! Créez votre Yahoo! Mail sur http://fr.mail.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Store add DELETE 20-80% off sale
Dear List; Please pardon my sale add. I have lowered the price on every item in my ebay store by 20-80%! In the first hour, 24 items sold, hot deals! Priority flat rate shipping savings. SPRING/Easter Clean out! Look under eBay user ID mjwy Get your mantle derived kimberlite that looks like a stony meteorite inside! Great for study of olivines and carbonized olivines. Thanks for letting me pester, Dave Freeman mjwy IMCA #3864 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] metorwrongs...
How about meteorbandwithwaste that fills meteoremailboxesfull? df mark ford wrote: Yep meteormight fits with 'meteorite and meteorwrong' nicely... Good work lads! Any others? -Original Message- From: Chauncey Walden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 4:05 PM To: mark ford Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] metorwrongs... Mark, I like the sound of meteormight; if you say it fast enough it becomes more definite. Chauncey mark ford wrote: Light hearted question and a bit of word fun, Someone has just asked me an interesting question, what do you call a 'potential meteorite' that is not yet a 'meteoright' or a 'meteorwrong' After a couple of minutes with a theasaurus : Some idea's: Meteormaybe Meteorcouldbe Meteormightbe Meteorpossible Meteorunsure Meteorisky Meteorchance Meteocandidate meteorsuspect I think 'meteormaybe' has the edge, but any other thoughts!? Mark (who's clearly got nothing better to do :) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] metorwrongs...
I love you man, you make me laugh! Dave F. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You tell em Dave. Here's the proper way to use bandwidth. A thesis on meteoritic lurking. I feel a compelling advancement to withhold perspective and muse. Judgmentalism seems obtuse, liberalism like a puddle of muddy water surrounding the perch-rock, a rare carbonaceous sitting in a puddle of siltaceous stew. Moldy cottage cheese-verbalizm, linguistic-spam, over cooked spinach days old in the Taku arm; gum disease, consumption befitting a lower food chain based reptilian omnivore to whom this is a very satisfying diet. Dirt is dirt whether from one source or another. Ashes to ashes. Determining why the word analytic starts out with anal; and deeming a smirk; very appropriate to a hungry blind pond turtle. I think that I shall put a messy purple ink well at my keyboard and dip my delete key finger to the sign of denial and withholding. I shall blatantly display it to the screen. The court of morality is of dilution and stay-at-home-ism. Let the wolf eat dirt when the meat has been consumed by the liberal turtle who stalks from the muddy pond. Old spinach digests well in the slow world of the turtle. Dues: dues to the roughshod pony riders who taunt and ride into the darkness. The white sheets of light are but paper cloaks for a light wind and rain to expose the flatulence of pomp. May the Tagish Lake and the Nantan hold hands and walk away in agreement that tin cans tied to a string are but historic rabble and the muddy green turtle pond will even silence their ambitions. And one day...even the mossy turtle shall abandon his putrid pond, don a sweater, and move on. -- Original message -- From: David Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] How about meteorbandwithwaste that fills meteoremailboxesfull? df mark ford wrote: Yep meteormight fits with 'meteorite and meteorwrong' nicely... Good work lads! Any others? -Original Message- From: Chauncey Walden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 4:05 PM To: mark ford Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] metorwrongs... Mark, I like the sound of meteormight; if you say it fast enough it becomes more definite. Chauncey mark ford wrote: Light hearted question and a bit of word fun, Someone has just asked me an interesting question, what do you call a 'potential meteorite' that is not yet a 'meteoright' or a 'meteorwrong' After a couple of minutes with a theasaurus : Some idea's: Meteormaybe Meteorcouldbe Meteormightbe Meteorpossible Meteorunsure Meteorisky Meteorchance Meteocandidate meteorsuspect I think 'meteormaybe' has the edge, but any other thoughts!? Mark (who's clearly got nothing better to do :) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] ADD DELETE Best meteorwrong!
Pardon my add, I have listed a 66 gram, amazingly accurate looking metorwrong for your viewing pleasure on good old eBay. Look under mjwy meteorwrong. Feel free to save the pictures of this amazing copy of the real thing. No affinity to a magnet. Nice maganese faux-fusion crust coating. Amazingly accurate looking! Fun, Dave F. mjwy user id __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] More on Jefferson and Weston from Burke
I salute you, Bernd, the master! Extremely cool post! Jefferson has many devoted followers today in his constitutional views. Many of my literate friends view Jefferson as a saint of the early government, and even above Washington, and Lincoln. Again, thank you for this one! Dave Freeman mjwy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BURKE J.G. (1986) Cosmic Debris - Meteorites in History, p. 57: It was not until October 1805 that Ellicott received published material from France, which convinced him that stones did fall, that they had an unusual composition and texture, and that they were generated in the atmosphere. He advised Jefferson of his conversion, and Jefferson responded on 25 October 1805. He wrote that he had not seen the documents to which Ellicott referred, but that he had read Izam's Lithologie atmosphérique, which was an industrious collection of facts of the same kind: I do not say that I disbelieve the testimony but neither can I say I believe it. Chemistry is too much in its infancy to satisfy us that the lapidific elements exist in the atmosphere and that the process can be completed there. I do not know that this would be against the laws of nature and therefore I do not say it is impossible; but as it is so much unlike any operation of nature we have ever seen it requires testimony proportionately strong. This passage indicates that Jefferson's skepticism was not about the fall of meteorites, but about their generation in the atmosphere. It is in this light that we should attempt to judge whether or not the remark so often attributed to him following the fall of the Weston meteorite two years later is apocryphal - namely, It is easier to believe that two Yankee professors would lie than that stones would fall from heaven. In his Discourse on Jefferson, Samuel Latham Mitchill reported that soon after the Weston fall, he received an account and a specimen from friends. A senator who was to dine with Jefferson that evening asked to borrow the report and sample to show to the President and request his comments. When presented with the evidence, Jefferson, according to Mitchill's friend, said that it is all a lie. Later, on 15 February 1808, in a reply to a letter from a citizen offering to send a fragment of the Weston stone for an official examination by the Congress, Jefferson suggested that the members of a scientific society would be better qualified to examine the stone, supposed meteoric, than those of the national legislature. He continued: We certainly are not to deny whatever we cannot account for. A thousand phenomena present themselves daily which we cannot explain, but where facts are suggested, bearing no analogy with the laws of nature as yet known to us, their verity needs proof proportioned to their difficulty. A cautious mind will weigh the opposition of the phenomenon to everything hitherto observed, the strength of the testimony by which it is supported, and the error and misconceptions to which even our senses are liable. It may be very difficult to explain how the stone you possess came into the position in which it was found. But is it easier to explain how it got into the clouds from whence it is supposed to have fallen? The actual fact however is the thing to be established. The tenor and even the wording of this letter is quite similar as that in Jefferson's December 1803 reply to Ellicott. It is possible that, upon reflection, he dismissed the notion of the atmospheric generation of stones and reverted to his original ambivalence about their fall. One other point is relevant. At the time of the Weston fall, the New England states were in an uproar about the economic effects of the Jeffersonian-sponsored Embargo Act of November 1806, and there was even talk of secession. Jefferson was antagonistic to the New Englanders, because they sought to circumvent the embargo by smuggling goods into Canada. It is therefore possible that soon after the fall and before the American Philosophical Society in March 1808 heard Silliman's report and accepted his memoir for publication, Jefferson, in a fit of temper, made the remark. But scholars have not yet located the source, so that at this time it must remain conjectural. Best regards, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] campos sales sale
More relief in sight delbert, Oh Brother Where Art Thou will be on TV Friday night to clairify this very delicate situation there. I prefer my campo sales on a stick myself. DF Darren Garrison wrote: On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:28:11 -0700, Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It will never end, accept it. We are in another movie called Groundhog Day Where the day repeated itself without end. Mike Farmer Phil? Phil Connors? Phil Connors, I thought that was you! Now don't you tell me you don't remember me 'cause I sure as heckfire remember you! __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Paypal not working??
Good Day; Paypal in Wyoming is working just fine yesterday and today. Dave F. mjwy Meteoriteshow wrote: Hello, It worked all right for me yesterday and today, no problem. Frédéric Beroud www.meteoriteshow.com IMCA # 2491 (http://www.meteoritecollectors.org/) - Original Message - From: Bob King [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 3:26 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] OT: Paypal not working?? Hello all, Has anyone else out there been unable over the past day and a half to access Paypal? The site seem to be experiencing 'temporary difficulties' for quite a while. Bob __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] A Thesis on Lurking PROSE -delete
A thesis on meteoritic lurking. I feel a compelling advancement to withhold perspective and muse. Judgmentalism seems obtuse, liberalism like a puddle of muddy water surrounding the perch-rock, a rare carbonaceous sitting in a puddle of siltaceous stew. Moldy cottage cheese-verbalizm, linguistic-spam, over cooked spinach days old in the Taku arm; gum disease, consumption befitting a lower food chain based reptilian omnivore to whom this is a very satisfying diet. Dirt is dirt whether from one source or another. Ashes to ashes. Determining why the word analytic starts out with anal; and deeming a smirk; very appropriate to a hungry blind pond turtle. I think that I shall put a messy purple ink well at my keyboard and dip my delete key finger to the sign of denial and withholding. I shall blatantly display it to the screen. The court of morality is of dilution and stay-at-home-ism. Let the wolf eat dirt when the meat has been consumed by the liberal turtle who stalks from the muddy pond. Old spinach digests well in the slow world of the turtle. Dues: dues to the roughshod pony riders who taunt and ride into the darkness. The white sheets of light are but paper cloaks for a light wind and rain to expose the flatulence of pomp. May the Tagish Lake and the Nantan hold hands and walk away in agreement that tin cans tied to a string are but historic rabble and the muddy green turtle pond will even silence their ambitions. And one day...even the mossy turtle shall abandon his putrid pond, don a sweater, and move on. Dave F. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay fraud alert
Do we think some organization would like to ask the poor looser if he needs help getting his treasure to a lab to have it authenticated? DF Darren Garrison wrote: On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 18:54:00 -0600, Bob Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ive dealt with this guy. He bought a couple of meteorites from me and renigged on one the payments. Apparently hes trying his luck with selling garbage as meteorites. So, beware to the newbies. Heres his ebay link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=3239item=6518820774rd=1ssPageName=WDVW Wow, his pallasite and his silicated iron are acutally the same piece! Looks like he would have put a LITTLE effort into making it look honest. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Yummie, meteorites?]
Dear List; I did not receive any feed back on this thread other than five well meaning friends thinking that I did indeed crack. I think is is worthy of a short visit to ponder the subject. We had in the past addressed hunting meteorites with animals and it was some what more fun than dropping bowling balls from airplanes Could and would herbivores lick meteorites for the minerals? DF ISEE Original Message BELOW: Dear List, Bernd; Is there any evidence that animals have licked meteorites for the minerals in them? I know some humans that have tasted meteorite dust for the novelty but am very curious if any signs of mostly herbivores licking or consuming meteorites for the iron, other minerals exists? In the area here where meteorites should be plentiful, there are none to be found. Cretaceous sandstone's on the surface for hundreds of thousands of years BUT where antelope, sheep spend quite a bit of time in the winter months with not much to eat but sagebrush. I just wonder if they would lick the ground as in salt/mineral licks (none here locally) and go for the iron in the meteorites. Any thoughts, besides I have cracked? Curious, Dave F. mjwy __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Pacific Northwest fireball
That is very scary that parts of Mars and the Moon are breaking off! Dave F. Charlie Devine wrote: Hello list, A report from MSNBC on Saturday night's fireball in the Pacific Northwest. At least one very cool video exists of the event, as I saw a clip of it on MSNBC TV a short time ago. Perhaps someone can locate that clip on the web somewhere? http://msnbc.msn.com/id/7170644/ -Charlie __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] lunar meteorites
SUPPLY AND DEMAND comes to mind.. df Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote: Hi list.I have a question concerning lunar stones.Why do prices on these most rarest of stones vary so much?How are the prices determined?I want to get a lunar,but I do not know what to buy and from whom.All the help in the world would be appreciated. steve arnold, chicago,usa!! Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What Iron Falls?
Dear Iron Falls; For all of you's that like to read about meteorites, I think Mr. Norton wrote about it in his Rocks From Space Book. We should all be able to grab that handy book up and read about Cape York. D. Freeman IMCA #3864 Team Leader, Wyoming Meteorite Recovery Team Score: Freeman 1 Meteorites 10,000 Darren Garrison wrote: On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 22:09:36 +0100, Meteoriteshow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have heard also about an huge iron meteorite somewhere near then northern pole, that had been used by men to make tools in the past, and was supposed to be a holy stone. I do not remember exactly where it was, but I think someone wrote something about it sometime ago on the list... The Cape York meteorites (there are several of them) in Greenland. They were being used by the natives to make iron tools. Future polar explorer Robert Perry convinced one of the natives to show him the location of the meteorites and he promptly stole them, because of course they didn't belong to anyone-- well, anyone WHITE. (Sorry for the soap box, but that story really offends me. The native were obviously making use of the meteorite for tools vital to them-- tools for hunting and fishing. But without so much as asking permission or making payments, he went into their land and, yes, STOLE their meteorites simply because of the racist assumption that, because they weren't educated white people, then the meteorites were free for the taking). __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Announcing NEW IRON-NWA 2679 Saharan Iron-Ad
So, err...what you are saying is if it doesn't sell then the price is too high, and if it starts to sell fast, the lower price will gravitate higher as auction dynamics take effect...as the current market dictates the price. Darts with a blindfold, DF Arizona Skies Meteorites wrote: Hi Darren...That is a great question. We determined the value that we would be willing to sell a rare meteorite for based on a variety of factors including: its initial cost to us, its rarity, aesthetics, uniqueness, stability, etc. For something as rare as this, we recognize its value and are not in a rush to sell it off as quickly as we can to make a quick buck like some. We appreciate its beauty, rarity and value. Since there are only around 360 grams of NWA 2679 that will ever be made avialable to collectors, this is one of the rarest irons that you will find (with the possible exception of NWA 2677). Assuming that we make all of it available, and assuming an average slice weighs 18 grams, there will only be 20 people on the planet that own any of this meteorite. It is also one of the most unusual, and in our opinon beautiful, irons that we have seen. Even John Wasson commented on its beauty, and he's seen them all! I hope this explains how we came up with the retail pricing on some of our rare material. I suppose another possible way to guestimate retail value would be by assuming a negative log-linear relationship between price and TAW (total available weight as opposed to tkw). You can generate a regression based on the known sales prices and TAWs and interpolate or extrapolate depending on where you meteorite's TAW lies. Cheers -John --- Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 20:25:00 -0800 (PST), Arizona Skies Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IAB. We are introducing this lovely new iron on ebay starting at 50% of its retail value. Definitly worth a Hate to play the Devil's Advocate here (okay, no, I don't hate to) but how do you determine the retail value for a unique new item that has never been sold before? Can a unique meteorite have a retail value before someone buys some of it for price x? __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Arizona Skies Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Discovery of distal ejecta from Sudbury impact event
...unicellular organisms ...photosynthetic microbial mats AKA stromatolites. A site named fossilmall.com has pictures of the gunflint chert...and specimens for sale. Dave F. eBay user ID mjwy and seller of stromatolites and classic meteorwrongs Paul H wrote: Discovery of distal ejecta from the 1850 Ma Sudbury impact event from March Geology and GSA TODAY media highlights at: http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2005-02/gsoa-mga022805.php http://www.gsajournals.org/gsaonline/?request=get-current-tocissn=0091-7613 Addison, W. D., and others, 2005, Discovery of distal ejecta from the 1850 Ma Sudbury impact event. Geology: Vol. 33, No. 3, pp. 193-196. Addison et al. announce the discovery of impact ejecta from the Sudbury, Ontario, Canada, structure, the second largest and third or fourth oldest extraterrestrial Earth impact site. At 1.85 billion years old, these Paleoproterozoic ejecta are three times older than the previous oldest dated ejecta linked to a specific impact (Acraman, Australia, 0.59 billion years old). It is also larger than the well-known Chicxulub, Mexico (0.065 billion years old) impact linked to the extinction of the dinosaurs and many other species. The young Chicxulub impact, particularly its well- preserved worldwide ejecta debris layers, have produced criteria to judge other large ejecta deposits. Foremost is the occurrence of sets of microscopic parallel lamellae in quartz and feldspar grains produced by the intense shock generated at the point of impact. Secondarily, the impact generated a megaplume of vaporized, melted, and crushed crustal rocks, creating molten droplets containing bubbles of gas, and larger accreted balls of dust and rock shards called impact accretionary lapilli. These features, and more, are seen in the Sudbury debris. The debris (ejecta) studied here, landed 650 km west northwest of Sudbury near Thunder Bay, Ontario, Canada, and 875 km west of Sudbury near Hibbing, Minnesota, United States. This huge impact likely deposited debris all around Earth, but it is very difficult to find because so much of the evidence has been destroyed in the recycling of Earth's crust by plate tectonics. Life at the time of the Sudbury impact was confined to the oceans and consisted of unicellular and colonial unicellular organisms. So far, Addison et al. have found no evidence of extinction of this life. However, future studies may link this impact and its ejecta with changes in the c lassic Gunflint Iron Formation unicellular organisms and their photosynthetic microbial mats, which helped produce Earth's atmospheric oxygen. __ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Polishing slices?
Dear sanders; If you still go with sanding papers instead of grit, automobile supply stores have wet/dry sanding papers that go up to 2,000 grit for very little dollars. Dave F. carbuff Darren Garrison wrote: I'm looking for tips on polishing slices. I have a few NWA slices from Ebay that show saw marks, and have been using various grits of sandpaper to smooth the surface, but while I get a smooth surface, it still has a dull, matte appearance to it. I have grades of sandpaper from 60 to 220, start with the smallest grit that will still remove the saw marks, then grade to finer sandpaper until I reach the 220, after which I try to polish it further by rubbing it on sheets of white paper. I still don't get a surface that looks as good as the professionally polished ones, though. Do I need to go down to a specific grit of sandpaper (I see that they go way beyond 220) or some other specialized polishing compound? Look at this example-- the after looks much nicer that the before, but I'm thinking that the after could look even more nicer. http://webpages.charter.net/garrison6328/before_and_after.jpg __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Yummie, meteorites?
Dear List, Bernd; Is there any evidence that animals have licked meteorites for the minerals in them? I know some humans that have tasted meteorite dust for the novelty but am very curious if any signs of mostly herbivores licking or consuming meteorites for the iron, other minerals exists? In the area here where meteorites should be plentiful, there are none to be found. Cretaceous sandstone's on the surface for hundreds of thousands of years BUT where antelope, sheep spend quite a bit of time in the winter months with not much to eat but sagebrush. I just wonder if they would lick the ground as in salt/mineral licks (none here locally) and go for the iron in the meteorites. Any thoughts, besides I have cracked? Curious, Dave F. mjwy __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Hunting at Canyon Diablo
NOPE, large fine if you are caught All that ebay stuff has been collected years ago, or has been illegally collected. Successful hunting if you don't have the crater folks contact the county sheriff and that $250 fine isn't gleefully awarded the successful trespasser Dave F. mjwy Norman Smith wrote: Does anyone know if hunting for meteorites anywhere around Meteor Crater is permitted? With all of the Canyon Diablos that show up on Ebay, it looks like a pretty successful place to hunt. Norm __ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (Vaguely OT) Letter of Commendation
Dear Kathy, All; Through out over 900 auctions in the past year and a half, and nearly 90% mailed USPS, I will tell you that as a buyer, if you do not require your seller to offer insurance and delivery confirmation, YOU are asking for trouble. If you are a seller and do not require your buyers to buy insurance, YOU are asking for troubles too. I can not see why anyone would transact good money and then pay good money to ship, and not get all the insurance and delivery confirmation that they can get. One would not purchase an automobile and not carry insurance on it to provide for a loss or damage. I see those that are shall we say tight with their money but insurance and delivery confirmation are not the place to skimp or cut corners. I have also found that there is a percentage of dishonest individuals that seem to relish the lost article thing, or have no control over their deliveries so, they scream my item didn't arrive and low and behold, the delivery confirmation number provides the exact time and date of delivery to the whiner. The delivery confirmation costs 45 or 55 cents, if the buyer cannot afford that then I just do not sell to them. Same with insurance, if one wants something bad enough to pay good hard earned money for the item, then it is worth the $1.30 or $2.20 or $3.20 to insure against loss. If you have a meteorite that is worth more than $100, I recommend that it be sent REGISTERED MAIL so there is a signature track each time a postal employee passes it along, and it also is under lock and key the entire journey. Those that are too cheap to protect themselves deserve to get ripped off in my not so humble opinion. Sorry for the soap boxjust the facts jack. One in fifty of my transactions requires that I go look up a tracking number when someting is late, or lost, or distroyed by the postal system. Dave F. mjwy From a sunny, calm, 43 degrees in SW Wy. Kathy Wallace wrote: Hi List, I am new to meteorite collecting and would like to relate the following: I would like to commend two of the members of the meteorite list. As you know awhile back, the list was rampant with talk of lost in the mail meteorites. Although I didn't write, I had a really bad Christmastime problem of not receiving 2 shipments. The first was from Michael Cottingham. I purchased a number of meteorites thru his 1/2 price sale of 12/6/04. Well, close to Christmas, I had not received the meteorites but thought it could just be slow mail what with the Christmas mail rush, so I finally emailed Michael asking when he had mailed my package. Michael emailed me the shipment date and that it was sent priority mail. I checked with the Post Office regarding lost/possibly stolen mail. They said that since there was no delivery confirmation, certification or insurance, there was nothing they could do and sent me to the local Police. The Police laughed and said they could do nothing, it was a Federal problem. Back to the Post Office for more runaround. NOTE: Be sure to at least get a delivery confirmation since this will let the Post Office track your item. If your item is over a certain amount (whatever you consider high enough) you should either insure, certify, or register (the safest way). To make a long story short... I never received this package, but like the true gentleman he is, Michael gave me the option of my money back or credit for the meteorites (which he definitely did not have to do) and last week I purchased new meteorites using the credit from the lost ones. These arrived yesterday. They are all wonderful. The second item was purchased at about the same time from Mark Bostick. After several emails, and still no book, Mark, without my asking, sent me a replacement (again, something he did not have to do). It arrived within a few days. Great book. My sincere thanks and know that I will continue to buy from you, Michael, and you, Mark. Kathy Wallace P.S. Since I am giving praise, I want to express my thanks to Rob Elliot of Fernlea Meteorites, who (at his own expense) sent me my order by Federal Express so it would arrive by Christmas and Impactika - Anne Black who was so very helpful with TX meteorites for my husband's Christmas present. THANKS to all of you. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] I can hear the whine now Meteorwrong Add Delete
Dear List; I have listed for fun and education a very nice hot classic 360 gram tarnaceous type meteorwrong. It has flow lines, fusion crust, looks very freshfor a meteorwrong that is. I am sure some will scoff but for education and for fooling your buddies, or using as the sacrificial lamb to protect your real meteorites, this one is a real honey. Showy! Can be seen at mjwy on ebay. Price, starting at 4 cents a gram! And, no reserve! Not the main mass, TKW is around four pounds. Dave F. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[Fwd: Re: [meteorite-list] Don Edwards]
Dear List; I too have had much business in the past with Don and he has always been cordial, prompt, and a pleasure to do business with. Thanks Don! Dave Freeman Wyoming (home of the new 34 pound opal) Mark Langenfeld wrote: I suspect this will not come as news to most list members, but I wanted to take just a moment to publicly salute Don Edwards as a true gentleman. Thanks, Don! Mark Langenfeld Madison, WI __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Quarter of Mars Scientists at European MeetingBelieve Life Possible on Mars
Dear Francis, List; And I follow this thread by asking Dear Great God of the universe, please let there be banded irons and stromatolites on Mars. Humbledave F. ebay user ID mjwy Francis Graham wrote: --- Marc Fries [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howdy A friendly hello to all concerned with this perplexing issue, Keep me off that list, even if the NASA Astrobiology Institute is paying my bills nowadays. Methane can be produced by geology, formaldehyde is a natural by-product of methane in Mars' viciously oxidizing environment, and hexaoctahedral magnetite can be produced abiotically. All correct, I can't argue. But the argument runs that these events are more-or-less independent abiotically (except for the formaldehyde-methane link) , and not so if biology is involved, so the biological origin is increasingly more probable. Keep in mind that was McKay et al's argument in ALH 84001: these things are all in the same rock, and their association would be improbable if they were abiotic, although each might be produced somehow abiotically. The counter to that was: well, we have only one rock as an example. My remarks meant to look to the future of this issue. More news came out in today's Aviation Week. It turns out, according to the article, that Elysium seems to be an ice lake the size of the North Sea on Mars, covered by volcanic ash. (Elysium is visible as an albedo feature from Earth ) And they report the methane is enhanced over it, exactly as it should be if biology in the underlying ground water were a factor, but only coincidentally if geology were. This is a serious question with a thousand important implications, and We can't accept a partial answer or rushed judgement to it either way. I could not agree more that a healthy scientific skepticism is in order here. But, as future evidence comes in, should we cling to nonbiological interpretations with desparation? What is the criteria for saying, Gee. It sure looks like Mars has or had some sort of biology. ? If it is required that all possible nonbiological ad-hoc explanations be comprehensively disproven then it may take some time to get there. Is that what you are saying? It would be OK to say that, IF the implications of even a tentative conclusion about life on Mars (and all science is tentative) were so abhorrent that we must not embrace it unless forced to. Are the implications of saying microbiotic life is probable on Mars so abhorrent that we must not think it unless forced to? And why? You may well be correct that we may not be to the point yet of saying life exists or existed on Mars. But: the news comes in as you say, daily (and faster than the journals can print it) so at what level do we say so? What are the lines to be crossed? And: can we not now today speak of at least probabilities? You must admit, the probabilities look better and better, and as the probability of biology increases, things begin to fit together, and the probability of a lifeless contrary Mars decreases. True, I am a little troubled by some things on a biological Mars model that don't quite fit, but they can be explained by a biology on Mars that is barely hanging on, as did Earth's biology during some of the equator-to-pole freezes of our own Archaean and Proterozoic times. Except on Mars it has been so for billions of years. Of course, if Mars had anything like a visible biosphere above the surface this issue would not even be here. We are really indirectly looking into dark water-filled crevices below the cryosphere with sniffing instruments. We can indeed reach tentative conclusions in science by indirect evidence. If Mars' deep life is chemosynthetic in crevices underground, the kind of absolute solid direct proof many desire may not be forthcoming ever at all, and the indirect evidence may be it. I can hardly wait to see the next Division of Planetary Science meeting papers. Francis Graham __ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] The big red grinder and the meteorite pie ***apology
Dear List; I wrote a very satirical post yesterday about cutting and grinding your meteorite and making a pie. PLEASE do not take any of this literally. Meteorites are much to valuable to be fooling around with in this fashion. I have owned over half a dozen diamond blade saws in the past ten years and own three today. I probably run my saws over 500 hours a year minimum. I mostly cut stromatolite, jade, petrified wood, banded iron. I cut a gold basin once years ago. I used water and my favorite small saw. I could see then that a meteorite, being so rare, would be forever altered by the saw, sometimes for the good and sometimes for the bad...perminently! Fortunately, my cut turned out for the good but it could have went the other way very easily. I do not cut meteorites today. I do cut meteorwrongs for hobby purposes. I recommend anyone that wants to start cutting meteorites to start cutting Earth rocks for a while and then get a professional or very experienced meteorite cutter to tutor them individually about how to select the thin blade, the best methods. For anyone to start out with a tile saw would be really a very poor judgment move in my opinion. Even the lowly Nantan or rusty Campo deserves better than a tile saw. My fossil fish supplier used a tile saw for rough cutting fish plates. That would be the extent of what a tile saw would be good for, not meteorites or other rocks. When I found my Rock Springs meteorite, did I cut my child: nope! I sent it to a professional to do the slice for science cut. Please, do not play around with sawing up meteorites, even NWA's until you have practiced/perfected cutting on terrestrial rocks, and only cut meteorites as an apprentice under an experienced person who knows what they are doing. I am sorry for posting the satire about the tile saw and grindersbecause there are those that don't have any common sence and MAY try it after all. PS: if you do, be sure to use chocolate pudding and the frozen pie shells, they taste better! Dave Freeman (no, I won't cut your meteorite) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The big red grinder and the meteorite pie ***apology (is accepted)
Dear John, and List; And again, I apologize for being borderline crass as my intent was to create great satire, and humor at the thought of using such rough lapidary tools as masonry tile saws, chop saws, hand grinders on such rare and sacred treasures as meteorites. One wouldn't take a Cadillac car to enter a mud bog rally, nor would one use a tile saw to cut meteorites. Ever. Pie in the face, Dave F. (who did successfully and artfully use a chain saw for cutting plywood to skirt a trailer house once) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave and others: Your story yesterday did seem a bit crass...but the thought of cutting meteorites with a tile saw is scary to think about from my perspective too. I'll have to go back and read the pie story with a different mind frame this time. I too did not tell the whole story with my earlier note on using a saw. I also advise others to cut plenty of terrestrials before ever trying to cut a meteorite. I have drawers full of terrestrial slices. I only use distilled water, and like Bob I make sure I dry the cuts right away ...in my case with a heat lamp. I change water fairly often, and have limited my cutting to stones for the most part. A few meso's and small eucrites have been in the saw too. :) Personally I would like to hear from folks like Stefan Ralew, Eric Olsen and others who do some of the best work out there. When it comes to nice cuts and premiere polishing, Stefan and Eric have it down to an art. Some of Stefan's pieces look like a mirror...the polish efforts are amazing to see with some of the materials. And for pricing, both of these guys are quite fair. You're forgiven Dave for trying to point out the absurdity of the tile saw, hack saw, grinder concepts for cutting meteorites. John -- Original message from David Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- Dear List; I wrote a very satirical post yesterday about cutting and grinding your meteorite and making a pie. PLEASE do not take any of this literally. Meteorites are much to valuable to be fooling around with in this fashion. I have owned over half a dozen diamond blade saws in the past ten years and own three today. I probably run my saws over 500 hours a year minimum. I mostly cut stromatolite, jade, petrified wood, banded iron. I cut a gold basin once years ago. I used water and my favorite small saw. I could see then that a meteorite, being so rare, would be forever altered by the saw, sometimes for the good and sometimes for the bad...perminently! Fortunately, my cut turned out for the good but it could have went the other way very easily. I do not cut meteorites today. I do cut meteorwrongs for hobby purposes. I recommend anyone that wants to start cutting meteorites to start cutting Earth rocks for a while and then get a professional or very experienced meteorite cutter to tutor them individually about how to select the thin blade, the best methods. For anyone to start out with a tile saw would be really a very poor judgment move in my opinion. Even the lowly Nantan or rusty Campo deserves better than a tile saw. My fossil fish supplier used a tile saw for rough cutting fish plates. That would be the extent of what a tile saw would be good for, not meteorites or other rocks. When I found my Rock Springs meteorite, did I cut my child: nope! I sent it to a professional to do the slice for science cut. Please, do not play around with sawing up meteorites, even NWA's until you have practiced/perfected cutting on terrestrial rocks, and only cut meteorites as an apprentice under an experienced person who knows what they are doing. I am sorry for posting the satire about the tile saw and grindersbecause there are those that don't have any common sence and MAY try it after all. PS: if you do, be sure to use chocolate pudding and the frozen pie shells, they taste better! Dave Freeman (no, I won't cut your meteorite) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The big red grinder and the meteorite pie ***apology (is accepted)
The band saw blade pictured is about the same width as a good diamond blade of today. Happy to see he is wearing his safety glasses. He has the appearance of a master craftsman. Did he practice on engine blocks first? Dave F. Darren Garrison wrote: On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 10:57:50 -0700, David Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: create great satire, and humor at the thought of using such rough lapidary tools as masonry tile saws, chop saws, hand grinders on such rare and sacred treasures as meteorites. One wouldn't take a Cadillac car to enter a mud bog rally, nor would one use a tile saw to cut meteorites. Ever. I'll bet this photo of this clueless moron cutting a meteorte will really give you shivers, then: http://webpages.charter.net/garrison6328/cluelessmoroncuttingmeteorite.jpg __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Cutting a large meteorite with ...
Dear All; Cutting large specimens requires different tools than smaller or even medium sized specimens. I have seen a 10 foot gantry saw that was like a giant hacksaw. It had a blade 10' long and roughly 1/4 thick. Companies today such as diamond pacific or barranca offer saws such as this in smaller versions for $5-10,000 dollars. They cut 2 or 3, or even 4 foot specimens. Problem there is moving the specimen to the saw. Large circular blade saws are rarely ever 36 or larger (48 diameter blade) and they will only cut about 1/3 of the actual diameter of the blade. Cable saws really come into their own for cutting large specimens. A person who has access to cable, a cutting medium as carborundum or diamond dust with oil, and a fabrication welder would be able to set up on site and make a saw to cut large specimens. Necessity is the mother of invention in this case. This method has been employed in British Columbia to cut Jade boulders that are too large to move any other way. For a fun field trip, go to a stone quarry site, or to a place where mausoleums or tombstones are cut, they use large saws. Hint: a great place to get nice cut scraps of lapidary building stone is a business that cuts bulk rock for building stone. Any broken corners are put aside. In recent times, lasers cut rocks with smooth cuts and very fine detail. I wonder if any lasers have been used to cut meteorites yet? Hacksaw-dave Lars Pedersen wrote: Hi All As far as I remember the biggest slice in the world was cut by Vagn F. Buchvald from the Agpalilik meteorite in Copenhagen. I think he used wire too.. :-) Lars - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 9:48 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Cutting a large meteorite with ... I'll bet this photo of this clueless moron cutting a meteorte will really give you shivers, then: http://webpages.charter.net/garrison6328/cluelessmoroncuttingmeteorite.jpg Hello All, The 6.1-ton Mundrabilla II found in a chunkyard in Australia by P. Ramdohr (MPI Heidelberg) was cut using the wire-cutting technique. Professor Paul Ramdohr used a four-millimeter-thick steel wire and carborundum powder (silicon carbide or SiC - silicon carbide is about as hard as diamond) as a lubricant. It took 188 hours to cut the first slice although the maximum width was only about 130 cm !!! Another interesting aside: About 8 or 9 slabs were cut from this mass, four of which (about 250 kg each) were donated to the Smithsonian Institution, the Academy of Science in Moscow, the British Museum in London, and the Australian Museum in Adelaide. When these slabs were handed over, the following representatives were present: a) Professor Paul Ramdohr b) Professor Wolfang Gentner c) British ambassador Nicholas Henderson d) Representative of the Soviet Embassy in Germany (Kaplin) e) US ambassador M.J. Hillenbrand f) Australian representative John Trotter Best sawing (files), Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Cutting a large meteorite with ... (Slightly off-topic)
Dear Bernd; Please offer to your better half (I hope any ways) that all of us tall people bump our heads a lot and that being shorter in stature does have it's benefits. Short cowboys had it rough but short coal miners had it much easier than tall. Best, (a tall) Dave F. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anne wrote: And here is a picture I took a couple years ago of the slice at the Smithsonian: http://www.impactika.com/mundrabilla.jpg and fessed up: Beautiful. And taller than me! Hello Anne and List, My wife is from Berlin and Berlin people are notorious for being bigmouthed - at least here in Germany. She isn't very tall but loves to say in her Berlin parlance: Lieber klein und zackisch als lang und dappisch (sp?), well, how should I translate *that* into English? Moni, any help in sight! OK, let me try: It's better to be small and smart than to be tall and wacko / stupid / crazy / ... :-) Best regards and no offense implied ! Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Cutting a large meteorite with ... (Slightly off-topic)
But Anne, being tall is good as I can see those meteorites through the sagebrush further away than a grasshopper could. bumped noggin' David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/26/2005 3:28:49 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Moni, any help in sight! OK, let me try: It's better to be small and smart than to be tall and wacko / stupid / crazy / ... :-) I agree entirely with her. Maybe it is because we don't bang our heads very often.;-) (Right, Tall Dave. F ? ) Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] President, I.M.C.A. Inc. www.IMCA.cc __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] tile saw cut meteorites?
Hey, I like to use the wide blades, they cut faster and don't flex when the specimen is twisted by accident. There is less meteorite surface that needs to be smoothed off when you are done cutting if you use the bigger thicker blade. A vice like a work mate, and a good hand grinder makes initial smoothing go much faster. A good old fashioned bench grinder takes off the saw cuts pretty fast too, saves a lot of time spent standing over your specimen wondering what to take off and what not to take off.. Plenty of 80 grit sanding wheels get the task of initial smoothing done right with the program. When you are all done you can use a good wet/dry shop vac to clean up your mess and save those nice pieces of coarsely ground meteoritte for later, and put in a pie! DF tett wrote: I have tried tile saws with some success. Unfortunately the cutting loss is great. Also tile saws do not leave smooth cuts because the slice needs to be hand feed through the saw. After the cut you really need to sand the cut face with various grits of paper until you have an acceptable smooth face. Using a tile saw is only good for cheaper, and soft, NWA stones. Still lots of fun though. Cheers, tett Owen Sound, Ontario - Original Message - From: Tom Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: met list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 9:46 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] tile saw cut meteorites? Hi List, will a (wet) 7in.tile saw cut meteorites? Thanks!!! Thanks, Tom peregrineflier IMCA 6168 http://www.frontiernet.net/~peregrineflier/Peregrineflier.htm http://fstop.proboards24.com/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.4.0 - Release Date: 2/22/2005 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Another lecture bites the dust
Dear List; I have just presented my annual winter lecture for meteorite, petrified wood, and other collectibles of SW Wyoming. I had a crowd of 106 turn out at the local library to hear me ramble back and forth on meteorites, meteorite books, wood, wood books, BLM collecting rules, private and public land issues, GPS datum, maps, and finished up with identifying about 50 rocks for folks. You all should try a community event as this. I am doing another lecture in Green River next month by popular demand. Pretty inspiring to have an attendance as this. Very best, Dave F. IMCA #3864 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Books in the Mail
Dear List, Kevin; Book nearly claims first fatality: I was so excited upon pulling the book from the pony express riders hand and cramming a large sized sandwich in my pie hole that I nearly choked in delight. Had a real Homer Simpson momentS-A-N-D-W-I-C-H.M-E-T-E-O-R-I-T-E-B-O-O-K 12 day to make Wyoming, must have worn out five horses to get it here. Excellent book so far, Bernd, you look much younger than the other pictures I have seen of you! Again, a very wonderful book, Dave Freeman mjwy If you are in the SW Wyoming area tomorrow, I will be offering a lecture on collectable rocks of SW Wyoming. Kevin's new book will be part of my show and tell. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All orders for The Art of Collecting Meteorites received from individuals and dealers as of 12:00PM EST today, Monday, February 14, are winging around the world as we speak. There is still time to order a signed and numbered copy and this can be accomplished by looking at: _www.theartofcollectingmeteorites.com_ (http://www.theartofcollectingmeteorites.com) I thank those who have purchased their copy and to those who have written encouraging words. I invite thoughtful criticism sent privately to me at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED])that would improve any future edition. I also want to thank list members for tolerating these ads and updates without complaint. This one should be the last. Happy Valentine's y un abrazzo los todos, Kevin Kichinka __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] meteoriteblog.com anyone game?
Dear Dirk; Yup, it's anyone's game. The only respondent has a profile I can not locate. To set up my own blog is uncomprehendable (three attempts and nothing yet)who designed this stuff any way. Leave me to Art and the meteorite central crowd, the greatest group of bloggers ever assembled. Where planting seed is easy and fruitful, and ducks love it too. Dave F. drtanuki wrote: List, Someone unkown to me has set up a meteoriteblog at: http://meteoritehunters.blogspot.com/ Blogaway.anything goes...I am not the owner or creator of this blog. Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Trying to contact Peter
Dear Peter, List; I am trying to contact Peter Scherff. Can I get a phone number/address, please email me off list. Thank you, Dave Freeman mjwy __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: more on meteoriteblog.com
Dear Dirk; I have seen blog's in the past, and they are a rather fickle friend at best. The car door is unlocked and the key is in the ignition. And the beast is parked in an unsavory neighborhood, the unmoderated web. They remind me of a perfectly good car without a steering wheel. Sad part is, they are not visited by just meteorite hunters/collectors. They are visited by any bafoon that can type in M-E-T-E-O-R-I-T-E meaning those that are behind masks, behind bars, from mental institutions, the largest scam artists, felons-with-out-a-cause inc. , and the likes of all who would commit fraud with meteorites, and all sorts of non proper avenues that positive meteorite associates would not really be found in. Gangs inhabit blog sites. Seemingly this could open a very negative doorway for vile sorts to enter meteorites. Motive: I see no reason for me to visit such an unmoderated contraption, especially when we don't even now who hosts/ sponsors the thing Kind of reminds me of the verse in that Alice's Restaurant song as the fellow sits on the bench and the others all moved away. baby rapers, father rapers and litter bugs included! Dave F drtanuki wrote: Dear List, Here is a reply to Michael`s request. Dirk Ross --- Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:55:24 -0800 Subject: more on meteoriteblog.com From: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: drtanuki [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Dirk, Thanks. I understand. May I suggest you post this response to the list so others understand, too? Thanks, again, Michael on 2/21/05 2:51 PM, drtanuki at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael, First I only made a request on the list for someone to set up a blog. Someone did...I do not know who. I am Jewish and German and I find some of the posts offesensive also; but I did not set up the site and cannot therefore take it down. People will come to their senses or it will go into disuse by its users. Best, Dirk __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- You and I do not see things as they are. We see things as we are. -Herb Cohen -- If a million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Attention California collectors
Dear Californian's with meteorites; Due to recent floods and rains, you may need to mail me your meteorites for safe keeping. I live in the high desert as you know, and it is pretty dry up here. Good luck keeping your babies dry! It was 44 degrees, sunny all day and no wind. tropical~rocky mountain, Dave F. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] My new website has begun to take form!
Dear Mike; What struck me most was the premium crust condition on a clear majority of the specimens. WOW! Very nice job. Dave F. JKGwilliam wrote: Very impressing Mike...very impressive. John Gwilliam At 09:21 PM 2/21/2005, Michael Farmer wrote: Well folks, It has been months in the making, but I have uploaded the start of my completely new website! This is the start of my collection page, please take a look, and let us know what you think of these select pieces. Mike Farmer http://www.meteoriteguy.com/collection.htm __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] What's in a name? Name your meteorite for fame?
Dear List; I would suppose no one has cold hunted locations specifically to find a meteorite that could be named a more valuable name, except maybe that Beer Bottle Pass character(just kidding John), but, I have composed a list of local locations with interesting names that may add/detract from the value of the meteorite on name image alone. Feel free to offer comment. Boar's Tusk Whiskey Buttes Church Buttes Little Mountain Butcherknife Draw Little America Little Firehole Big Firehole Bitter Creek Massacre Hill Diamond Mountain Vermilion Creek Black Rock (and my favorite) Star Valley *Some, like Black Rock and Vermillion Creek may be previously taken I suspect. Daytona, Dave F. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] What's in a name, a hijacked thread!
Dear List; My thread was a dream list of locally occurring names that you could go hunt up a meteorite with a cool name from your local area. Mr. Cool guy steve has turned it into a favorite meteorite thread. Thanks Steve! Is there a city in Illnoise named riped off thread ? I suggest we forget it.it's time has passed. I borrow Matteo's phrase...Bah! Now there's a name for a meteorite! D. F. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] I'm going to start scouring California Dry l akes.
Why not chime in for another great western state, Wyoming...1/2 covered in snow presently. 6 years hunting totaling maybe 500 hours+ resulted in one meteorite @ 52 grams, science has 11 grams that leaves 40 grams. Doesn't pay for the lunches, or the gasoline. We do it for love.until we stumble on that 400 pound pallesite! Dave F. Matson, Robert wrote: Hi Mike, Norm, Jason and List, I'm enjoying the banter on the California dry lake meteorite hunting thread! Not sure why California is being singled out, since there are excellent dry lakes in Nevada and Arizona as well; the only reason California has so many finds is that there are a lot of people working these areas that live here. Sure, I like hunting in Nevada and Arizona, but why drive further than you have to? ;-) As for making money doing it, Jason's analysis demonstrates the folly of thinking one can make much of a living hunting dry lake meteorites themselves -- even assuming the extraordinary and unrealizable average price of $100/gram. Sure, you'll occasionally find something rare, but the majority of the time you'll be finding small, weathered H- and L-chondrites. Mike writes: ... I do believe that I have put in my time hunting around the world, so hunting dry lakes in California where I can sleep in nice hotels and eat nice food (and even be home that night) doesnt sound to hard or boring to me. It's definitely easier, at least logistically! Nevertheless, I envy your trips to Oman and Morocco [notice I don't add India to the list..;-) ] for the pure adventure of it. Dry lake hunting isn't glamorous and it doesn't require a lot of capital up front. Its main requirements are patience and persistence; I've known many people who've tried it, but few come back a second time. Speaking for myself, I don't do it for the money -- I do it to relax. The scenery is beautiful, it's QUIET, and if you're lucky you won't see another human being the entire day. There is something very pure about such a single-minded, private endeavor. (That said, it is also fun to occasionally do it as a group-thing! I enjoy taking people out to some of my favorite haunts from time to time.) Hope to see you out there sometime -- be it California, Nevada or Arizona! Now if it would just stop raining... --Rob __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Thank you for your input!
Dear Bill, List; It may be worth noting again, be sure that you remember that the visible iron specks are only part of that equation as the total iron is the number for the L or H classification, and even though that WOULD APPEAR to be an L from a visual, if there is more elemental iron, it could be more than an L. Caution needs to be embraced with just visual classification Hope this is insightful to others, Dave F. Bill Southern wrote: Hello All, Thank you for your input about my new chondrite and it seems you all agree for the most part giving me a good idea of what I might have. There was a request for a photo of some with the crust intact so I have added a photo of a 470 gram and a 122 gram piece for you to look at. The larger was the first find... Thanks again for taking the time to give your opinions and I will post the classification information when it is given to me by Lora at ASU. http://www.nuggetshooter.com/fimage/Newfinda1-13-2005.jpg Bill Southern __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Books in the Mail
Dear Jerry; Please don't pick on the the Pony Express, they have not delivered my book yet! The horse runs past the house, but does not make any deposit...guess I can take that as a positive too. Best, Dave F. mjwy Jerry A. Wallace wrote: Hi Kevin, Received my signed copy, no. 42, of your book yesterday. Mailed on Feb., 9th, arrived Feb., 17th. [I was beginning to worry a tad since I've missed shipments on three different parcels, all in U.S., since mid December.] Eight days across 1,293 miles (or 2,061 km- for those of you who are metrically inclined.) Seems like more and more our United States Postal Service is operating like many postal sevices in the various third world countries, sort of a hit and miss proposition. Must be the price of gas or having to fight off terrorists along the way, or something. I don't know. Seems like the Pony Express made better time delivering mail while fighting off or outrunning our native American Indians. But who I am to say? Thank goodness for email- spam and all. Back to the point... Fantastic book. Fills a niche that's barely been addressed in any other meteorite related books that I've ever read. It is a most welcome addition to my collection, which has expanded to the point where I'm seriously considering moving my bed into the garage so I can have a little walk-around room. The book is definitely a keeper (but really, I keep all of them- which partially explains my critical lack of living space.) You've written on some fascinating topics and provided many stunning photographs. Obviously you've put a tremendous amount of work and thought into the book. I don't see how you can sell such a beautifully printed book so reasonably. My sincere thanks to all of you who were involved in creating this fine book. If this lousy weather continues through the weekend, I will have the book completely read by Monday. Great timing on the delivery, USPS. Best regards, Jerry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All orders for The Art of Collecting Meteorites received from individuals and dealers as of 12:00PM EST today, Monday, February 14, are winging around the world as we speak. There is still time to order a signed and numbered copy and this can be accomplished by looking at: _www.theartofcollectingmeteorites.com_ (http://www.theartofcollectingmeteorites.com) I thank those who have purchased their copy and to those who have written encouraging words. I invite thoughtful criticism sent privately to me at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED])that would improve any future edition. I also want to thank list members for tolerating these ads and updates without complaint. This one should be the last. Happy Valentine's y un abrazzo los todos, Kevin Kichinka __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Campo del Cielo recovered weight
Dear Sara, List, BERND; In my catalogue, I see no TKW for my favorite Gibeon iron; perchance is it in the running? Cape York 59 T., Canyon Diablo 30 T. Gibeonlarge masses, other large masses...? Davy A. ErrDavy F. that is! Sara Arsenault wrote: Dear list, I have been reading post on the list for a few months now. This is my first intervention, I hope some of you will be able to help out. I am working on a virtual exhibition concerning meteorites for the Montreal Planetarium, Canada. One of the sections of the site will present some famous meteorites including Campo del Cielo. I am trying to evaluate the total recovered weight for this meteorite. In Grady's catalogue (page 126), the addition of the numerous masses give a total of 45 tonnes (approximately). The 37 tonnes that Robert Haag tried to buy with no success in 1990 is not cited. Would the real total be 82 tonnes? If so, Camp del Cielo would be the heaviest iron meteorite recovered (in total mass)... Thank you for your help and excuse my English, it is a second language. Sara Arsenault Museologist Planetarium de Montreal _ Balayez vos courriels entrants et sortants et les pièces jointes et contribuez à éliminer les virus destructeurs susceptibles d'y être intégrés. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=fr-capage=features/virus Commencez dès maintenant à profiter de tous les avantages de MSN Premium et obtenez les deux premiers mois GRATUITS*. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: new computer Field Museum trip!
Dear All, Catalogue of Meteorites lists Chicago Field House collection as Allende 33 kg (about 3rd largest behind , 380 kg in USNM,Washington, 137 kg, ASU Tempe), and Murchinson 40.7 kg (largest listed specimen and 30 kg @ USNM Washington, Univ. Adelaide has specimens, ASU has 7 kg in Tempe. ). D Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All Al wrote I thought that was an Allende not Murchison?? Here are some photos of the two meteorites in question that I took on my visit to CFM with Al Mitterling a few years ago. http://jensenmeteorites.com/Chicago/1Murch.jpg http://jensenmeteorites.com/Chicago/1Allende.jpg Unfortunately there is no scale for the stones but believe me they are HUGH. Al wrote an article for our visit to the Museum in Meteorite, Nov. 2000 Field Museum Trip pp 24-27. According to the article the Allende weighs 14 kg and the Murchison weighs 17 kg. We had the opportunity to tour the back room and took full advantage. Al discusses this in his article as well. I also had the opportunity to visit the vault at ASU just before the Tucson show this year. I took a few pictures but most didn't turn out too well. Probably because I have a new camera(sorry I didn't share that with the list earlier) and wasn't familiar with its operation yet. I'll post these pictures some time in the future. Mike -- Mike Jensen IMCA 4264 Bill Jensen IMCA 2359 Jensen Meteorites 16730 E Ada PL Aurora, CO 80017-3137 303-337-4361 Hi Bob, Dave and all, I thought that was an Allende not Murchison?? --AL Mitterling Bob Evans wrote: Come on Dave , How can you compete with the museums 8 kilo Murchison, the size of a football __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Geez!!!
Well Tom, here's a thought. There is an ebay seller named spacecase33 from Kingman that has some fabulous Canyon Diablo's on ebay. Since Kingman is such a small town, maybe you should go over and introduce yourself in a humble manor and see if he knows about your local meteorwrongs you seem so uninformed about. Your repeated comments about no local folks to learn from has clearly missed one excellent collection of canyon D's in your own back yard. Books and handling rocks with rock hounds and with meteorite hounds will really give your meteorite/meteorwrong educational process a warp drive if you will. As an after though, since you are in the same town, maybe an investigative report to the list about this person with such a great collection to sell would benifit his selling effort, your meteorite education, and the list would get to learn about some great canyon D. specimens. He can't be more than a mile from where you are right now! Hope this is insightful. D. Freeman mjwy Tom Knudson wrote: Hey list, I am sorry to have offended so many people, my ebay posts were not meant to offend anyone. I will not be posting anymore ebay related things, it is not worth the hate mail. I apologized to Randy Mils about my post, and we are good now, so no more hate mail for that post is needed. I will only post questions about meteorites and will give you all a break from me! Again, I am sorry if my posts are offensive to you. Thanks, Tom peregrineflier IMCA 6168 http://www.frontiernet.net/~peregrineflier/Peregrineflier.htm http://fstop.proboards24.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Revovered(Recovered) weight of GIBEON
Dear Mike, List; For a weight vs. mass comparison of piles of meteorites, go to your local rock quarry or aggregate plant and ponder a bit. Irons would be easier ascertained at a steel or scrap yard but for common (now there's a relative term) chondrites would be approximately equal to a lighter mass rock but for size~mass estimates, try a quarry and see dump trucks and front end loaders and ask about weight of specific rocks. Now is a slower season for most crusher operators/quarry operations and may provide a great excuse for a short local field trip. There are scales in engineering books to convert different materials from limestone (lighter wt.) to quartz (heavier wt.) to iron ores (much heavier wt.) so if you see a pile of a known material, you can use some math to get the tons in a pile. I can dig up a couple of formulas from my Pocket Ref by Thomas J. Glover (found in Ace Hardware stores nation wide for around $10). Don't leave home with out it. Best main masses, Dave F. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Bernd, Sara List One point I would like to make is that all anyone can do is estimate a number as Bernd has done. In writing the main section of Meteorites from A to Z I include TKW. I wanted to try to come up with numbers that were up to date. For Gibeon I added the TKW (based on adding distributions) of the Catalogue of 33000 kg and figured at least 17000 kg more had been recovered and were not reported. So I used the number 5+ kg. For Campo del Cielo I have 1+ kg but already had a note to change to 5+ kg for the next edition. My guess is it is over 6 kg. If I were setting up a display I would recommend that one note it is an estimate no matter what number they use. For example 50 t estimated or ~ 50 t or 50 tonnes. You might also remember the most people me included have no idea of what 1 kg of a meteorite is in terms of size. So being off by 1 kg or more does not mean too much. Probably the only reason to be as accurate as possible is to create a list of the largest falls by weight. In case anyone is interested I have created a list of the largest 15 individuals by weight for the iron meteorites. It includes lots of pictures. Here is the URL if you want to check it out; http://jensenmeteorites.com/largestmeteorites.htm Hope that helps. Mike -- Mike Jensen IMCA 4264 Bill Jensen IMCA 2359 Jensen Meteorites 16730 E Ada PL Aurora, CO 80017-3137 303-337-4361 Dave Freeman wrote: In my catalogue, I see no TKW for my favorite Gibeon iron Hello All, There is a table on page 592 of Buchwald's trilogy. Vagn Buchwald wrote that the total weight of the 77 specimens listed in the table was 21,000 kg. As many more masses have been found to date, we can assume a TKW of at least 21 tons! Reference: BUCHWALD V.F. (1975) Handbook of Iron Meteorites, Vol. 2, pp. 584-593). Best wishes, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: eBay warning about seller
Dear Bob, List; Indeed so! So, to ask the $64,000 question, does the commonly used term meteorwrong come with a negative connotation, and does it have a presence in dictionaries, meaning does it have diction with a positive connotation, or is it still a negative, there be it, a negative negative being a positive? Can we get meteorwrong in a dictionary with a positive connotation? D. Freeman (whose main language is English...err a strain of northern MI. hillbilly) Bob Evans wrote: OH MY GOD ! Anyone in the mood for an English lesson ?? Doug... drop the dictionary and pick up a meteorite. Its more exhilarating. Trust me !! And we pick on poor Steve !! Shame on us. BE - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 5:19 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: eBay warning about seller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i dont get it - smeone was booted off of ebay for selling a 'fake'meteowrong? Wouldn't a fake meteor-wrong be a meteor-right? You knowtwo negatives make a positive, and all that. Hola CMcdon0923, fake is just used an adjective in English, no harm done by the original poster. A false positive isn't a negative you know, and the converse. It doesn't say the not not a meteorite, that's an adverb I think but English is so cool as a language if you understand it from context clearly there is no need to find fake faults with it:) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Blood Auction Results
Dear Michael; If the auction is such a bad deal for all the dealers, why do the dealers so eagerly attend the auction? I think that is the issue, buy low sell high. Isn't that related to your non disclosure issue? I should think that some information on what was paid by happy-to-disclose-select-individuals would seem to bolster attendance at next years auction for all the great deals A free and unregulated press Dave F. Michael L Blood wrote: Hi Ryan, I happily report price of sale to individuals who placed an absentee bid on a given item. The reason I do not post prices is out of consideration of all the dealers in Tucson - and even those not at Tucson. For some reason, people are under the misconception that the price at an auction means something about the value of said material. I have even heard a DEALER state that price at auction DEFINES market value! I could not disagree more. What the price at auction means is that 1) Given all the other items up for sale AND 2) Given the priorities of the bidders at that particular auction 3) at that particular time 4) and given the amount of money they have to spend at that moment 5) and relative to weight and 6) visual appeal of the item 7 relative to all other items and the bidding pattern on them and 8) the bidding activity on the given item one person was willing to pay that amount, at that time, etc. In other words, it means NOTHING in terms of the market. Have you ever heard of someone buying a house at a tax auction for less than 10% of the market in the area? Or someone paying 5 times the market value of a meteorite on ebay? These are only a couple of instances demonstrating my point. Yet, people will go to a dealer the day after the auction and try to beat him down on a price of something saying, At the auction this sold for XXX a gram and your asking YYY a gram. That's way more than what it is worth. Of course, the perspective buyer is trying to get a deal, but if what he was saying were really true, he wouldn't be trying to buy it today, as he would have bought it at the auction. Frequently the dealer is offering a much smaller piece, possibly with more eye appeal, etc. So, no, I quit publishing prices because people kept beating up dealers with them. Of course, when I tally up everything after an auction, I inevitably beat myself up for letting more than a few TERRIFIC buys get past me! I do not, however, pretend I should be able to find those prices anywhere else. Furthermore, dealers in Tucson almost all had to: A) Travel a long distance B) Rent a room buy meals daily C) Tie up capital in their stock D) put in countless hours to make all this happen 1) packing, 2) planning 3) renting the room in advance 4) getting airline tickets or driving great distances 5) etc) E) Usually buy a nice display box of some kind F) Rent display cases for the show G) Make labels, keep records, etc. etc. They do not need to then have their prices held up to completely arbitrary comparison to a one night a year auction. In addition, I have never heard of a single incident of a buyer saying, Gee, this sold for MUCH more per gram at the auction! You aren't charging nearly enough. Can I pay you more? Though you can be sure the opportunity to do so happens quite often. NOTE: this statement is not aimed at anyone in particular, so, if anyone is taking it personally, you are mistaken. Best wishes, Michael __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] A.J. Ehlmann
Dear Greg; Funny you should ask, why none other than Homer Simpson! Dave f. Greg Redfern wrote: Bravo Bernd, Bravo! On a separate note - who did the classification of BCC's specimens? Greg -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Feb 16, 2005 11:30 AM To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] A.J. Ehlmann Mike Farmer wrote: Dr Ehlmann ... knows meteorites better than you can imagine, he has curated one of the world's finest collections for decades. EHLMANN A.J. et al. (1985) Classification of eight ordinary chondrites from Texas (Meteoritics 20, 1985, 219-227). T.J. McCOY, A.J. EHLMANN, and K. KEIL (1995) The Travis County, Texas, meteorites (Meteoritics 30-3, 1995, 348-351) EHLMANN A.J. et al. (1987) Classification of a second group of ordinary chondrites from Texas (Meteoritics 22-1, 1987, pp. 17-23). EHLMANN A.J. et al. (1987) Origin of fragmental and regolith meteorite breccias - Evidence from the Kendleton L chondrite breccia (Proc.Lun. Plan.Sci. Conf. 18th, 545-554). EHLMANN A.J. et al. (1988) Classification of Six Ordinary Chondrites from Texas (Meteoritics 23-4, 1988, 361-364). EHLMANN A.J. et al. (1992) Classification of 4 ordinary chondrites from the Monnig Meteorite Collection (Meteoritics 27-4, 1992, 470-472). EHLMANN A.J. and KEIL K. (1994) Further Classification of Ordinary Chondrites from the Monnig Collection: Round Top(a) L5 S3 - Round Top(b) H4 S3 - Wray(b) L5 S2 - Hassayampa H4 S3 (Meteoritics 29-1, 1994, pp. 71-73). Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Classification of BCC meteorite
Duff, Fred Duff! Dave F. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Dave, you are correct! I found this classification completed on the BCC meteorite in the publication Mental Disease Quarterly. Simpson et al. 2005 Stone Coprolite of BCC. Ordinary fossil droppings considered by mental patients to be meteorites. PS: Sorry Dave, I know Wyoming has a lot of coprolite, and I really didn't mean to assassinate the integrity of coprolite collectors by comparing real coprolite with BCC meteor wrongs, but I couldn't resist a little Homer, er, humor. Regards To All, Fred Hall __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Harvey
For fun, try a google search of Harvey H. Nininger. There are more than one page. If you have not read Find A Falling Star you have not lived right yet. No, not the six foot rabbit, that is a different Harvey, and not that noontime quazi-political- infomercial guy under the disguise of news, he used to be entertaining 30 years ago. Dave F. mjwy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now, just who is this Harvey guy anyway? TODD Scottsdale, AZ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] new computer
Dear Johnny G, I have a four year old dinosaur named 4300,and it is a large leap above steves state of the art doo-dad. My back up lap top: a secret! Dave F. Maybe steve could brag up something meteorite related.. JKGwilliam wrote: Meteorite List, First of all, I apologize to the List for the following: I don't know about the rest of you, but I've finally reached my limit of Steve Arnold's (Big Windy) non-stop bragging and blathering. So, get angry with me if you want or send me emails condemning my behavior, but I've had enough and I have to vent a little here. steve,steve,steve,steve,steveI don't know what Dell catalog you ordered from, but since the Gwilliams are a Dell only family( we have five Dells), I can clear up any confusion you might be experiencing. The Dell Dimension 3000 is an entry level machine and can't be called state of the art by any stretch of the imagination. Dell describes the 3000 as the Ultimate Value Desktop and is second from the bottom of the line of eleven (11) desktop machines. The person you ordered your computer from must have given you some incorrect information. Here at our house, my eleven year old daughter has a Dimension 4700 with dual hard drives, extra SDRAM, a Pioneer DVD-R burner, etc. It's two steps up from you machine and it isn't even close to being state of the art. Best, John Gwilliam Oh...one more thing. Nancy (my wife) remembers meeting BH about 10 years ago and she said that the way she would describe him could be translated to BH is one hot dude! if she were still thirty years old, but for a fifty year old guy to say that is welldisgusting and very embarrassing. Faux pas! Best, John Gwilliam At 03:08 PM 2/16/2005, Matt Morgan wrote: What does this post have to do with meteorites? I've gotten a few new computers over the last two years as well. Anyone else?? New cameras, camcorders, VCRs, DVDs? LOL Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com PO Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA ebay id: mhmeteorites - Original Message - From: Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 3:07 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] new computer Hi and good afternoon list.I just want to let everyone know that I just got my new computer and will be putting my tucson pictures up on my website for viewing.I'll let you know when I am done.I got a DELL DIMENSION 3000.It is state of the art computer. steve arnold.chicago Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] One strange meteorite! : s
Dear Thomas, Our Tom seems to be desperately handicapped since he has no local mentor to explain basic rock shapes and common rockhound collectables. Any rock clubs/mentors in the Kingman area? The specimen is from Oregon's thunder egg beds, someone's ranch (Richardsons ?) I believe, it has changed hands, and is now a pay to dig site. A ca-zillion tons of these old time specimens are around. D. Freeman Thomas Webb wrote: That's just a normal geode Tom. I have dozens of them. Thomas --- Tom Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=3239item=6512516161rd=1 Thanks, Tom peregrineflier IMCA 6168 http://www.frontiernet.net/~peregrineflier/Peregrineflier.htm http://fstop.proboards24.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson 05 Retrospective
Dear S.Ray; I think that your credability here is much more in question than that of Dr. Ehlmann. Dave Freeman S. Ray DeRusse wrote: Greetings List; Well, imagine our surprise when we read the thread below. I had a personal conversation with the Dean of the TCU geology department in which he informed me that among other things, Dr. Ehlmann was barely a geologist and not a very good one at that. He also called him, an old man just waiting to retire, just a menial curator of a meteorite collection doing no real research. He said more but I don't necessarily agree with everything he Dean said. But it matters not much since in my view this award has very little meaning attached to it because of the group handing it out. Was there some sort of election or nomination procedure involved or posted somewhere? How does this little favoritism scheme and showering of affection work for a group who even his colleague has bad mouthed him this way. Did you include the Dean's viewpoint ? Or did you gather together willy nilly to keep misconduct and racism a fertile nesting ground in planetary science? Cordially, S. Ray DeRusse and Bill Cutler www.bccmeteorites.com Notkin wrote: Dear Friends and Listees: I've come up for air after a long and sometimes exhausting Tucson show. This was my first show as a legal resident of the great state of Arizona and it was a very different experience for me. I had a house full of overnight guests, hosted the big birthday bash, met with clients, acted as Allan Lang's auctioneer, bought and traded for a few collection pieces, and generally ran around like a lunatic taking care of a million things for nearly three weeks. I think it was more fun when I used come out here for a vacation each February . . . but then I had to go back to New York afterwards, and that part wasn't so fun : ) I'd like to sincerely thank all of you who joined Steve Arnold IMB and myself for the Sixth Annual Meteor Mayhem party and Harvey Awards. The consensus was that the new venue (The Copper Club, inside the Arizona Plaza) was a HUGE improvement over previous venues, and I agree. Our many guests were able to move around and socialize, instead of being pinned behind a crowded restaurant table, while experiencing lousy waiter service . . . and Steve and I certainly enjoyed having a stage from which to present the Harvey Awards. We will return to the Copper Club next year if the hotel remains open. Congrats to the 2005 Harvey Award winners: Dr. Art Ehlmann -- Lifetime achievement Michael Blood -- Ambassador award Mike Miller -- Best new meteorite find Ruben Garcia -- Best new meteorite find Sonny Clary -- Rookie of the year! Jose Guggiari -- Best new meteorite find Edwin E.T. Thompson -- Lifetime achievement And remember, you don't have to be old to receive a lifetime achievement award : ) There are many other deserving people in our community, so stay tuned for next year's awards! Low point of the show this year was when somebody stole one of our Harvey Awards, while they were on display prior to the awards ceremony. It was somewhat embarrassing that -- thanks to our thief -- we did not have an award to give to our final recipient (E.T.), but I was able to make another one, and deliver it to E.T.'s room before he left for Oregon. I know that Harveys are something of a hot item, but COME ON that's pretty low. We're going to make a special Jackass of the Year certificate for the person who stole the award, and we'll leave it out on the table next year, so be sure to steal that too. Thanks. On a more positive note, I'd like to thank Twink Larry Monrad and Jim Kriegh for the stunning Gold Basin panorama birthday cake, which they very kindly brought to the party. This year's cake was the best ever. Also, thanks to my co-host Steve Arnold IMB, and my great friend Geoff Cintron who did everything from act as chauffeur to buying us drinks during the awards; and Lisa Marie Morrison of Sirocco Design, a very talented jewelry designer, who served as our glamorous hostess *and* absentee bid agent during the R.A. Langheinrich auction. As always, Michael Blood's auction was a great event (I came home with the one piece I really wanted) and bigger than ever this year. Allan Lang's auction on the Sunday was a success too, and I shocked everyone by showing up in a suit and tie. Well, once a year with the tie isn't so bad. It was a pleasure to finally meet fellow collector Martin Horejsi, after many years of friendly correspondence. Monnig Gallery Director Teresa Moss and her husband Lane made their first visit to the show, and it was particularly nice to see them here, as Teresa, Dr. Ehlmann, and I have worked closely together on the Monnig Gallery website. Another highlight for me was spending time with genius inventor Bill Mason. My girlfriend
Re: [meteorite-list] Lost packages and other selling thoughts
Dear List, John, Rob; I sell on ebay as you all know. I require insurance and delivery confirmation on all of my auctions. In the past, I have had three jokers try to get something for nothing and that is why the required delivery confirmation, and the postal system has lost and destroyed a half dozen shipments/ heavy boxes of rocks and thus the insurance. I have found that the el-cheap-o bidders that do not want insurance and delivery confirmation can go to the cut throat sellers and that is fine. The time spent trying to make a bidder that wants something for nothing happy is never made up for anyway. Another issue is the payment method. I only take paypal these days as the money order and check only wastes time and time is money. Great buyers have paypal and great buyers do like insurance and delivery confirmation. 38% of my ebay business is from repeat customers. Repeat customers get special treatment and free stuff (and free shipping for the free stuff!). That time saved by only selling to the better level customers is applied to ferret out better quality and more interesting items for my great customers. Another tip: sell things to those that have more money than you do(of course that leaves a great deal of lee-way in my case). Best, Dave F. mjwy on ebay! 100% positive feed back and over 800 auctions completed. JKGwilliam wrote: I guess what it all boils down to is you have to decide if you're a business man whose goal is to make a profit (and develop happy customers in the process), or if you're goal is to turn over merchandise whether or not you make a profit. If you decide to be a businessman, you should take the proper steps to protect yourself financially by requiring insurance and tracking on every package you ship. If a customer elects to not pay for insurance, he can purchase his goods somewhere else or give you a statement in writing that he won't hold you liable for items lost during shipping. In the case of the latter, you will probably loose the customer anyway because any customer that looses money is an unhappy customer. There's one dealer I'm aware of that offers FREE shipping if you buy a certain $$ amount of specimens from him. He must be crazy, right? Yeah, crazy like a fox. Why are so many people willing to risk the loss to save a few bucks on insurance? Trackable shipping and insurance just make good business sense. Best, John Gwilliam At 10:35 PM 2/13/2005, Rob Wesel wrote: I run into this a fair amount as well and it is a tough decision, the cost of a customer versus the cost of the lost parcel. I believe it is not on you to refund the loss but it may be worth doing in the long run. My largest loss was $750.00 and I refunded it and still lost the customer. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] chondrules?
Dear chondritists; I thought I would chime in a moment. Our oolites that are calcium carbonate acretions have layering and concentric structures. After the silica replaces the calcium carbonate, they are quite interesting, hard and worthy of thin slice work. Dave F. Norman Lehrman wrote: Gerald, Tracy list, Sorry for the slow reply. I'm out in the field, and probably have no business responding anyway, but your question is an interesting one. I have worked with lots of accretionary lapilli in volcanic settings all over the world. Like Tracy said, I also know of no chondrules with truly equivalent concentric structure. However, the general idea of accretionary dust-balls and condensates in the solar nebula is appealing. What we would need to do to make the resulting sphereoids match observations is recrystallization by one means or another. Many chondrules consist of single minerals. It might even make sense for some of the armoring that we see to result from misfit impurities being expelled from the growing crystal to its exterior rim. Understand that my comments are a gross speculation based on terrestrial knowledge. I have virtually no familiarity with published chondrule research, so I'm sure there are others on the list that can offer better answers. That said, I would reaffirm that the mental image suggested by accretionary lapilli is intuitively very appealing. It must've been something analogous--- Regards, Norm (http://tektitesource.com) --- Gerald Flaherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] a question about chondrules I'm reposting this as I received only one response. Please reply if you have any thoughts on this question. Thanks a lot in advance3. ON THE ORIGIN OF CHONDRULES Norm and List, Please excuse my ignorance for putting forth this question but as a relative newbe to meteorite collecting, I hope you will entitle me to this query. I came across the term accretionary lapilli also called volcanic pisolites in Dorothy Ferris Lapidus 1987 edition of The Facts on File Dictionary of Geology and Geophysics. If you bear with me I'll quote these are shperoidal concentrically layered pellets composed mainly of vitric dust and ash, usually between 2 and 10 mm in diameter. They are formed primarily through the accretion of ash and dust by condensed moisture in eruption clouds. Formless nuclei of coarse particles fall through the fine debris and acquire shells of progressively finer ash. These concentric shells indicate the increasiing temperature and decreasing humidity of the cloud at lower levels. My question is, does the process described above provide any anology(something similar but different) to the origin of chondrules. A solar nebula is obviously different than a volcano but is there any analagous sympatico to the spheroidal shape? I've seen neither a macro nor micro view of a cross-section of a chondrule so I can't speak to the issue of concentric layering. Please excuse this question if it either offers a keen grasp of the obvious or is so out of the ballpark, continent, planet, sun (star) system, gallaxy (that's as limiting as my current unaided memory allows my imagination to propel itself). Thank you for your indulgence. Jerry Flaherty Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Now Playing On CNN
LL getto yo boy was boring racketShania is my dream girlnever to old or young! Bring on the Mike! D. F. RYAN PAWELSKI wrote: L.L. Cool J was cool, when? Like 10 years ago maybe! Now after 30 mins of L.L. Fool Jay I'm begining to grow impatient. Who gives a rats behind. lol Just something to do while I'm watching and waiting hmm, Shania is on now. Beautiful, but too old for me. Yes, I said too old lol Ryan -Original Message- From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Feb 11, 2005 10:55 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Cnn reminder Hey everyone, even though I posted it, many from the list are still asking when the CNN thing runs tomorrow, so here is the schedule again. PLEASE NOTE. These times are EASTERN, so you need to adjust if you live anywhere else. Mike Mike Farmer Mike--Your Free Agent piece turned out really well and will run this weekend (2/12-2/13) on CNN and Headline News. Here's the schedule: (times are eastern standard) CNN (within People in the News) SAT 2/12 5am 11am 5pm SUN 2/13 5am 2pm 7pm CNN Headline News SAT 2/12 7-7:30am 11:30am-noon __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Diamond Planets: Rich Possibilities for Other Worlds
Dear Ron, List; I am not in amazement but yet I am. I have really been amazed at how much the kimberlite I have seen imitates the carbonaceous chondrites in pictures and chemistry. My olivine's in the kimberlite have been carbonized even. For those of you that have a specimen, isn't this a revelation! The more we go forward, the more things come full circle. As a side note, I predict that in 10 years Wyoming may be mining more diamonds than the Canadian Yukon, which last year out produced South African diamond mines. As you know, I market kimberlite on ebay. Best, Dave F. ebay ID mjwy Ron Baalke wrote: http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/diamond_planets_050208.html Diamond Planets: Rich Possibilities for Other Worlds By Robert Roy Britt space.com 08 February 2005 The solid planets in our solar system are made mostly of silicates. Rock, basically. A new study shows that planets around some other stars might be made mostly of carbon instead. Deep inside such worlds, where pressures are intense, the carbon would make layers of diamonds that could be miles thick. The rich-sounding worlds are modeled after a certain type of space rock, known as the carbonaceous chondrite, which are thought to be broken bits of asteroids. Many of them have been collected on Earth. These meteorites contain large quantities of carbon compounds such as carbides, organics, and graphite, and even the occasional tiny diamond, Marc Kuchner of Princeton University said in a teleconference with reporters Monday evening from an extrasolar planet conference in Aspen. The idea builds on other reasonable theories. The planets in our solar system formed from a disk of gas and dust left behind from the Sun's formation. In regions where there was extra carbon or a lack of oxygen, carbon compounds like graphite and carbides would condense out of the mix, instead of stone. Carbides are a ceramic used to line the cylinders of engines. They can take the heat of being very close to a star. Kuchner and his colleague, Sara Seager of the Carnegie Institute of Washington, figure that concept fits nicely with discoveries of planets around other stars, including some that are surprisingly close to their host stars -- much closer than Mercury is to the Sun. Carbon planets could survive at high temperatures near a star, they say. Another set of candidates for diamond-laden planets are the dark worlds orbiting a dead, fast-spinning star known as PSR 1257+12. These planets -- three of them are roughly Earth-sized -- might have been formed by the destruction of a carbon-rich star, Kuchner said. Carbon planets might also be common near the center of the galaxy, where stars are known to contain more carbon than out here on the spiral arms where our solar system resides, some 26,000 light-years from the galactic middle. There's no reason to think that extrasolar planets will be just like the planets in the solar system. Kuchner said. The possibilities are startling. Carbon planets might have smoggy atmospheres laden with carbon dioxide, and a surface covered with tar-like precipitation. A little bit like Los Angeles, Kuchner said. Future telescopes might identify some of these offbeat orbs by noting these characteristics and a lack of water. One day, diamonds could lose their allure by sheer overstocking. The entire galaxy is growing richer in carbon as generation after generation of stars produce heavier elements. In the future, Kuchner and Seager contend, all planets might form as carbon worlds. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Shuttle Disaster Anniversary
Dear List; Today is the two year anniversary of the last shuttle disaster. May we all have the opportunity to go forward to touch the face of God. They are sadly missed.I am still left in amazement at our accomplishment of the sciences ... and of the souls of those who boldly go where no man has gone before. Fulfilling ones dreams can be an immeasurable reward and sometimes very difficult for others to understand. God speed to all who fly fast and high. Dave Freeman __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad~ Atomic absorption spectro photometer
Dear List, Dan; A Green River, WY. person has approached me with the offer to sell a atomic absorption spectra photometer. Model is a Perkin-Elmer 2380, age: stated as 10 yr. old +_, former forest service testing machine before deceased purchased it. Asking: $8,000. Seller states money back guarantee. Used for metals prospecting...I do not know if it would be of value to test meteorites. Thanks for your look, Dave Freeman mjwy Rock Springs, WY __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question about western USA
Hi Pierre, I usually budget $100+ per day for fuel, and food, and motel. Even that may be on the low side. Rock Springs, WY on I-80 fuel runs from $1.70-$1.90 depending on how close to the interstate the fuel station is located. Expect snow, rain, sleet and ice if traveling in the next two months Best, Dave F. Matson, Robert wrote: Hi Pierre, As I'm preparing a 3 weeks long trip to the western states (California, Arizona, Utah, Nevada), I'm making a budget and would like to have your help on the following point. I'll be renting a Chevrolet Blazer SUV and would like to know the average price for a fuel load (it consumes 22MPG I think) or the price per gallon of fuel. Maybe some list members have the same vehicle or a similar SUV ? I drive a Nissan Pathfinder which gets better gas mileage than the Chevy Blazer -- for predominantly highway driving, I get between 21 and 22 MPG. I doubt the Blazer gets better than 19. Your mileage will be slightly lower since you'll be doing some dirt-road and lakebed driving. I'd assume about 17-18 for the Blazer on average. Gas prices vary quite a bit by state and within each state. ARCO and Chevron tend to be the cheapest in southern California, where you can find 87 unleaded (fine for the Blazer) for right around $2/gallon. It's maybe ten cents cheaper in southern Nevada. Northern Arizona is cheaper still -- perhaps $1.70 to $1.75/gallon. Don't know about Utah; according to Martin's link, gas in St. George (southwest Utah) can be had for around $1.85. People in our country like to complain about high fuel prices, but anyone who has spent time in Europe or the UK knows that our gas is quite cheap by comparison. --Rob __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT: meteorite hunting gas mileage, etc.
Salutations Gas Guzzlers! My Ford Areo star rear wheel drive and narly tires (with air shocks) gets me all around Wyoming as long as I pick the dry days to go hunting. The v6 engine and automatic trans gets me a very nice 26 mpg highway and 18+ putting around on two tracks dragging the ATV and trailer. The air shocks provides me ground clearance and extra load bearing capacity. For those looking at a custom job, the over sized tires, and other goodies will make a two wheeler pretty handy over all especially in the gas guzzling department...that and when I need real 4 wheel drive, I just unload the 4 wheeler off the trailer! It gets about 10 mpg but goes anywhere and the mini van gas that is saved, makes up for the ATV gas consumption. Best, Dave F. DNAndrews wrote: Greetings Gas Guzzlers, I drive a 1997 GMC Sierra 4x4 full size extended cab truck which is basically the same as a Chevy. It has a 5.7 Liter Vortex V-8, Auto-trans. and gets 22 mpg on the highway (with the A/C off...about 20 mpg with it on). Around town or off-roading for meteorites I'm sure it drops down to 15-16mpg. Not too shabby for a full-size 4x4. So, a small S10 Blazer with a 4 cyl. or 6 banger (or the likes), might get a little better mileage than that. Best for a good trip Pele, Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Hot flash more goof balls?
Dear List; Seems someone has fossils being found on Mars! Shark teeth, stromatolites, sea urchins, what next, piltdown man? No, piltdown man drove a car on Mars! http://www.xenotechresearch.com/marsindx.htm Guess NASA hides much from us according to these jokers, see for a great laugh! Happy Monday, Dave F. WY __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] For the stay at homes among us!
Dear List stay at homes; If you get bored sitting in your snow bank home, or just need to feed the flavor of the Tucson show and haven't seen any pictures yet, try a google search, there are plenty of sites. The one below is # 4 or 5 on the search, home of Bob's Rock Shop web site of Rock and Gem Magazine. Bob lives in Tucson, and has a nice picture of Mike 'new Holy Grail on his page of pictures. Here's one for us stay at homes: http://www.tucsonshow.com Weather therehell, it must be 40 at night and 60 daily all week. Best, Dave F. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Next Weeks Show Weather
Dear Luckydogs headed for Tucson; Here is the National Weather Service forecast for precipation for the next week: Looking Ahead: During the next 5 days (January 27 - 31), a pair of Pacific storm systems will affect much of the southern half of the United States. Heavy rain will briefly return to southern California, where some flash flooding is possible before precipitation tapers to showers by week's end. Precipitation will also overspread the Great Basin and the Southwest, providing additional drought relief but bringing the possibility of flash flooding. During the weekend (January 29-30), locally heavy showers are expected to reach the southern Atlantic States. Meanwhile on the Plains, late-week precipitation may total one-half inch or more as far north as southern and eastern Nebraska. However, unfavorably dry conditions will prevail across northern portions of the Rockies and Plains. In the Northwest, only light precipitation is expected east of the Cascades. The NWS 6- to 10-day outlook for February 1-5 calls for warmer- and drier-than-normal weather to persist in the Northwest. Mild, mostly dry conditions are also expected across the northern Plains and Upper Midwest. In contrast, wetter-than-normal conditions are likely from the southern Rockies eastward to the southern Atlantic Coast. Bring umbrella! Best, Dave F. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Current Tucson temp.
60 degrees F CLEAR and Calm. 7:33 MST df __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Space walk goo and honeycomb
Dear Ron, List; The CNN story today was interesting: Quote: Sharipov found a large patch of dark, oily residue on at least one vent and a white substance -- he described it as a honeycomb -- on the oxygen generator's outlet. They're going to be very good pictures, he said as he photographed the goo. Do we get a goo picture today and what do we think? Best darnd day every, field trip time to hunt meteorites! Dave F. Wyoming __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ya think your so smart, what's this?
Dear Associates; I expect Diamond Mohammed to chime in at any moment, didn't he have a giraffe-diamond meteorite? Frass-giraffian? giraffe-e-kingmannian? df David Hardy wrote: Wouldn't the iron in their antennas be dangerous for them near electric wires? Or is this why you don't see giraffes in more developed areas of the world? Could you hunt them using a helocopter and a VERY strong magnet? David --- Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zelimir, and nowadays giraffes have adapted better to digest siderites (which they have to do, to keep the iron in the knobs of their antennas fresh). That's the reason, why we find substantially less irons in Africa than in Australia. Skol Martin - Original Message - From: Zelimir Gabelica [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ya think your so smart, what's this? Tom, Obviously the giraffe swallowed a couple of siderites before it was demised by the Chixculob (or alike) tsumani. This exotic example therefore is to learn us one more feature: some 65 MY ago (and perhaps still now ?), giraffes did not digest very readily sideritesA valuable observation for Science... Cheers, Zelimir __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list = Here is the price of freedom, your every drop of courage, ounce of pain, pint of blood. Paid in advance. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ya think your so smart, what's this?
Dear List contributors: Wyoming press release: Wyoming's state scientists are now taking a serious second look at Wyoming's Jackalope as new developments in giraffe studies have proven antennae with scientific value. Wyoming's famed jackalope has antlers that are quite similar in that the magnetic fields emitted from them attract the rumored to exist sagebrush dust clouds, which are a green thought to be gaseous cloud that repels meteorites from falling in Wyoming. With only 13 classified Wyoming meteorites, this paranormal phenomena has and continues to rob Wyoming of it's share of meteorites... More to be continued. DF Merryputz reporting Martin Altmann wrote: Indeed. Well, Tezla tried, as we all know, to collect large flocks of giraffes with a powerful field in 1908 in Siberia. (At this times giraffes were a ressource in great demand, as commonly doorknobs were carved out of their antennas). The outcome was an incredible desaster!! The electricity induced into theit antennas from the magnetic field was so strong, that all siberian giraffes start to burn and died. The glow of the poor giraffes was even observed in the dawn up to London. Long time the governments tried to suppress the truth, fearing diplomatic entanglements with Russia or even a giraffe war, but later a well known painter used his popularity in revealing the whole truth and started to paint his famous Burning Giraffes. Martin - Original Message - From: David Hardy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Zelimir Gabelica [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 7:05 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ya think your so smart, what's this? Wouldn't the iron in their antennas be dangerous for them near electric wires? Or is this why you don't see giraffes in more developed areas of the world? Could you hunt them using a helocopter and a VERY strong magnet? David __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
