Re: [meteorite-list] President Obama Places Over 265 Million Acres Of Land Off-limits

[GREG LINDH via Meteorite-list]

  Our freedoms have been horribly eroded in the last few years, especially in 
the last 7 years.  People just let it happen and don't complain unless it 
directly, and seriously affects them.  It is now affecting the meteorite 
hunter's ability to hunt for meteorites, and that affects us all, including the 
modest collector. 




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Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 9:25 PM
To: Galactic Stone & Ironworks
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Raremeteorites
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] President Obama Places Over 265 Million Acres Of 
Land Off-limits

This recent land grab is courtesy of California Senator Dianne Feinstein.  82 
year old
Senator who hates energy, peoples freedoms, and too few regulations on 
everything!

Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 12, 2016, at 3:59 PM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks via Meteorite-list 
>  wrote:
>
> I do agree that the government is terrible at administering anything,
> be it a local neighborhood dog park or a national forest. BLM rules
> are a mess and the enforcement is inconsistent at best.
>
> But, one thing to remember is that government officials do not come
> from another galaxy and force their way into Congress. They are the
> cream of the private sector crop and we put them there. If government
> sucks, it's because we keep electing people who suck. Worse, 99% of
> the the choices we get to choose from also suck to roughly equal
> degrees.
>
> What do we expect when we let a bunch of CEO's, lobbyists, hedge
> funders, washed out lawyers, and ego-tripped doctors run the
> government? And we get a selection of idiots to pick from every four
> years - some of those idiots have Ivy League credentials, and some do
> not, but they all suck.
>
> Until the masses demand competent candidates based on merit and not
> charismatic fools with deep pockets, we will keep getting the same
> treatment every four years.
>
> I don't care if the president or our congresspeople are black, white,
> male, female, religious, atheist, socialist, libertarian, gay,
> straight, or whatever. But, I think we should demand competence.
> Congressmen which no knowledge of science should not sit on committees
> responsible for funding scientific projects. Presidents or congressmen
> with no war-fighting experience should not be starting wars, etc. And,
> by extension, BLM rangers and officials should not be making or
> enforcing the rules of land management unless they have some degree of
> expertise in the academic/scientific/engineering or field aspects of
> the resources they govern.
>
> So, back to meteorites and rockhounding - this is what happens when we
> elect people to oversee resource-rich lands who no background or
> interest in geology, forestry, or related fields.  The rank and file
> BLM field rangers might know their business, but they do not know the
> intricacies of the entire body of federal regulations that they are
> trying to interpret and enforce. The bureaucrats at the top of the
> chain are so far removed from the field, that they have no expertise
> with rocks, minerals, or natural resources - they are a bunch of
> former lobbyists, white collars, and people who have never had their
> hands dirty.
>
> That's my two cents, actual worth may vary widely.  ;)
>
> PS - I do not think Adam intended his post as racist or Islamophobic.
> People are getting a little too touchy these days. But, there is a lot
> of bigotry out there, so those are the days we live in and sometimes
> appearances matter more than substance. We have to be careful about
> what we say, where, and how we say it - and, how other people might
> interpret what we say or play semantics with our words. It sucks, but
> that's how it is.
>
> [/rant]
>
> Best regards and happy huntings,
>
> MikeG
>
>
> On 2/12/16, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list
>  wrote:
>> Where I grew up in the Northwest, if a person is angry or disgusted, they
>> use the person's entire name to emphasize a point.  I knew there was trouble
>>
>> when my mother called out to me, "Adam Charles Hupe, What have you done?"
>> instead of just, "Adam."  People are far too sensitive these days.   I do
>> not like it when a politician of any sort makes unilateral decisions without
>>
>> public input.
>>
>> Rock hounding used to be considered a healthy pursuit.  Now a huge corridor
>>
>> is completely off limits practically in my back yard here in the Mohave
>> Desert.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Adam
>>
>>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Guns made of meteorite: Price tag $1 million

[GREG LINDH via Meteorite-list]

 There is *nothing* wrong with crafting the handle of a sidearm using a 
meteorite.  There is *nothing* wrong with pistols or rifles.  Period.  It's no 
different than using meteorites to make the face of a watch.  No difference.  




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Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 8:40 AM
To: 'Tommy'; Meteorite List (meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com)
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Guns made of meteorite: Price tag $1 million

Dear Tommy and All

I will be interested to see the reaction of listees to this article. A few 
years ago I posted a small "flyer" for the work of an artist who had taken a 
piece of Campo, made a mould of it, melted the meteorite then cast it in the 
mould she had made earlier and put it on display in an exhibition of her work. 
This piece of news generated a great deal of, mainly negative, comment on the 
list. Can someone point out to me how this use of a meteorite, to make a 
weapon, is different (for better or worse) to the artwork my friend created?

Cheers

Peter Davidson
Senior Curator of Mineralogy

Natural Sciences Department
National Museums Collection Centre
242 West Granton Road
Edinburgh
EH5 1JA
TEL: 0131 247 4283
E-mail: p.david...@nms.ac.uk

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http://bit.ly/1SRLDK1

Regards!

Tom

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Re: [meteorite-list] The Ultimate Gun Gift: A 1911 Made from Meteorite Metal

[GREG LINDH via Meteorite-list]

  
  Very nice, Tom.  The 1911 is a great firearm.  I wonder if there would be a 
rust problem on the handle.  In any event, thank you for posting the article.

  Greg



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Subject: [meteorite-list] The Ultimate Gun Gift: A 1911 Made from Meteorite 
Metal

http://www.outdoorhub.com/news/2015/12/18/ultimate-gun-gift-1911-made-meteorite-metal/

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Re: [meteorite-list] Attendees at Tucson Show

[GREG LINDH via Meteorite-list]

Well, I rode my $5.00 bicycle, with coon tails hanging from the bars and a 
clown car horn that I honked all the way from Prescott Valley to Tucson. I 
especially honk the horn when a **$130,000 Tesla** slows me down.

 Yours truly,


 Greg Lindh 






 Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 21:36:20 -0700
 To: raremeteori...@centurylink.net
 CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Attendees at Tucson Show
 From: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com

 Good grief. Why worry about it? You aren't here.
 I drive a $130,000 tesla, and I got parking and even made it through the mud! 
 I wouldn't subject it to any bad parking conditions.
 You would think by your post that somehow Tucson has become The Congo. Just 
 play on eBay and leave Tucson to the dealers:)

 Michael Farmer

 On Jan 31, 2015, at 2:57 PM, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list 
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote:

 The reason there were no parking spots left is that the overflow parking in 
 the dirt was muddy from what I was told from a fossil buyer who left early 
 in disgust. Everybody knows that there is no where near enough parking at 
 the Insuites to begin with, even under normal circumstances. There were many 
 spots available Thursday from what I was told, the first time I have heard 
 this during all of the previous shows I have attended. You used to have to 
 circle two or three times to find a spot even with the overflow parking open.

 I am not there this year so depend on reports from others and what is 
 published in the in the media. In any case, I am glad to stay home this year.

 I hope those that spent the money to visit the show are rewarded with some 
 good deals. I just have not heard of any at this point. Only 9 meteorite 
 vendors bother to post the Tucson Show information request, the lowest 
 number I have ever seen since it was started.

 Adam


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Re: [meteorite-list] Not met. Related - Friend On Meteorite List

[GREG LINDH via Meteorite-list]

Yeah, well CA doesn't put out as much produce as it used to. Whenever I go back 
to CA from AZ, in order to visit family, I drive up and down Interstate 5. For 
practically the whole I-5 part of my trip I see empty, dusty fields where there 
used to be beautiful orchards and lands full of all kinds of fruits and 
vegetables. Now, just dusty, empty fields..oh yeah, and hundreds of signs 
that say, Congress Created Dustbowl. Yup, devastated, dry land, all because 
Nancy Pelosi, Barbara Boxer and crew wanted to save a minnow in the California 
Aqueduct. If I'm not mistaken, that minnow is not even native to the region. It 
was imported. That's CA for you. 

  

 Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 16:17:39 -0800
 To: raremeteori...@centurylink.net
 CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Not met. Related - Friend On Meteorite List
 From: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 
 Average gasoline prices in Arizona ($2.57/gal) are about 13% lower
 than California ($2.97). How does that 13% difference turn into an
 almost 100% (claimed) increase in your fill-up?
 
 California has more than 3 times the lane-miles of Arizona and it's
 drivers account for 11% of ALL of the miles driven in the entire
 country (more than 5 times Arizona drivers, and we have a lower
 fatality rate because no one from Arizona can drive worth a damn), so
 yes, our roads do get used and abused and could use some love.
 Believe it or not, road maintenance is what the fuel tax is used for,
 we just have a lot more roads that need maintaining.
 
 And most produce comes from California. And by most we're talking a
 huge majority. Some comes from Mexico, some from other places, too,
 but California is our nation's produce isle.
 
 Michael is so. Cal.
 
 On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 2:43 PM, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote:
 I do stay out of California unless managing one of my over-taxed investment
 properties.. It cost nearly twice as much to fill up my gas tank there as
 it does in Arizona. They were the first state to have a major city go
 bankrupt demonstrating their ability to manage taxpayer funds. I do not
 know what they do with the nations highest fuel tax. It sure isn't put into
 the roads. I will not drive at night in parts of California since they
 can't even afford to paint the lanes or put up reflectors. I once went
 airborne at night while pulling my enclosed car hauler trailer since
 California was too cheap to mark a raised railroad crossing.

 I have seen better roads in third-world countries. As far as produce goes,
 most of it now comes from Mexico.

 Again, no thanks,

 Adam


 Drive at your own risk
 - Original Message - From: Michael Mulgrew mikest...@gmail.com
 To: Raremeteorites raremeteori...@centurylink.net
 Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Sent: Monday, December 08, 2014 10:01 AM
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Not met. Related - Friend On Meteorite List


 No other state even comes close to California when it comes to produce
 production, so it follows that no other states would have to enact
 protections as tough as California. Don't like it, then stay out of
 my state (and stop eating fruits, nuts, and vegetables altogether,
 chances are they were grown here).

 Michael in so. Cal.

 On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 7:53 AM, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote:

 That's California for you. Too much governmental control and wasted tax
 payer money. They tax (fleece) everything and the roads are crap! I can
 tell when I am entering California from Arizona or Nevada just by the
 condition of the roads and the agricultural check points. First you go
 from
 a smooth freeway into a patched together, multi-colored, quilted road
 surface with no shoulders and than go through the indignity of an
 inspection
 station just have any American grown produce thrown in the trash.

 No thanks!

 Adam




 - Original Message - From: Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list
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 Sent: Monday, December 08, 2014 6:30 AM
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Not met. Related - Friend On Meteorite List



 Keeping this meteorite related, the California bug stations even look
 for
 firewood coming in from other states. So for example you are planning a
 meteorite
 hunting trip into or through California and figure you would like to
 haul
 some firewood with you, you might want to know that they may or will
 seize
 it at the border inspection stations.

 Jim Wooddell




 On 12/8/2014 6:51 AM, Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list wrote:


 That is a crime, you really want someone to receive and ship goods to
 you
 in violation of California law? They could be prosecuted for that.

 Sent from my iPad

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 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote:

 NOTE: THIS IS NOT METEORITE INFORMATION

 Hi All,
 

Re: [meteorite-list] Cool article about some of our friends (Piatek, Agee and Labenne)

[GREG LINDH via Meteorite-list]

  What a great article, Ruben.  I envy a man his collection.  






 Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 16:20:15 -0700
 To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Cool article about some of our friends (Piatek, 
 Agee and Labenne)
 From: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com

 http://news.sciencemag.org/people-events/2014/11/feature-castaway-ancient-mars

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[meteorite-list] (no subject)

[GREG LINDH via Meteorite-list]

   I save all of the Meteorite Photos of the Day posts from the Met List.  
Something weird and distressing has happened.  It appears that all of the 
photos sent to me over the years have been magically turned into the photo of 
the thin slice of Zagami submitted by Peter Marmot.  So now I have hundreds of 
photos of the Zagami slice.  Mercy!


  Has this happened to anyone else?


  Greg Lindh  
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[meteorite-list] Photo problem.

[GREG LINDH via Meteorite-list]

  I save all of the Meteorite Photos of the Day posts from the Met List. 
Something weird and distressing has happened. It appears that all of the photos 
sent to me over the years have been magically turned into the photo of the thin 
slice of Zagami submitted by Peter Marmot. So now I have hundreds of photos of 
the Zagami slice. Mercy!


   Has this happened to anyone else?


   Greg Lindh 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Photo problem.

[GREG LINDH via Meteorite-list]

  Gary,


  Yeah the photo of Zagami is spectacular, but I just need one photo of it, not 
hundreds.


  Greg





 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Photo problem.
 From: fuj...@mac.com
 Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 08:26:43 -1000
 CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 To: gee...@msn.com

 Aloha Greg, I have not noticed this anomaly you speak of, but must declare 
 that the cross polarized image of Zagami in thin section by Peter Marmet (not 
 Marmot) is spectacular!

 gary

 On Nov 28, 2014, at 8:15 AM, GREG LINDH via Meteorite-list 
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote:


 I save all of the Meteorite Photos of the Day posts from the Met List. 
 Something weird and distressing has happened. It appears that all of the 
 photos sent to me over the years have been magically turned into the photo 
 of the thin slice of Zagami submitted by Peter Marmot. So now I have 
 hundreds of photos of the Zagami slice. Mercy!


 Has this happened to anyone else?


 Greg Lindh
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 Gary Fujihara
 Big Kahuna Meteorites Inc.
 PO Box 4175, Hilo, HI 96720
 (808) 640-9161
 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/
 http://www.ebay.com/sch/fujmon/m.html
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Mike Miller in ICU - Thoughts and Prayers Appreciated

[GREG LINDH via Meteorite-list]

  Thanks for the info, Ruben.  I'll be praying for Mike.  Keep us informed 
about the latest.


  Greg Lindh




 

 Date: Mon, 19 May 2014 15:41:43 -0700
 To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Mike Miller in ICU - Thoughts and Prayers 
 Appreciated
 From: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 
 Hi all,
 
 I stopped by to see our friend Mike Miller today at the hospital
 (KRMC) in Kingman, AZ.
 
 He's completely sedated and on a breathing machine. I was told that
 he's been in ICU for a few days and that doctors are somewhat baffled
 as to what has happened. Something is causing fluid build up in his
 lungs that is making it impossible for him to breathe unassisted. He
 entered the hospital on Wednesday evening due to pains in his chest
 and back but within hours had to be put on a ventilator to breathe.
 
 Mikes daughters (Ashley, and Melissa) work for him and will be
 checking his email. If you'd like to wish Mike well I'm sure he'd
 appreciate it. Here is his email. meteoritefin...@gmail.com
 
 
 -- 
 Rock On!
 
 Ruben Garcia
 http://www.MrMeteorite.com
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day

[GREG LINDH]

Uber-cool!  I'm curious as to how thick it is.  

  Greg Lindh



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 CC: 
 Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2013 00:00:11 -0700
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day
 
 Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: Unclassified NWA
 
 Contributed by: Mauro Ianeselli
 
 http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpod.asp
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Re: [meteorite-list] Asteroids Fighters, Unite: United Nations Votes to Create Global Force

[GREG LINDH]

United Nations?  Somehow, I don't feel reassured. 




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 Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 16:49:07 -0700
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Asteroids Fighters, Unite: United Nations Votes to 
 Create Global Force



 http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-un-asteroid-defense-plan-20131028,0,5301471.story


 Asteroid fighters, unite: UN votes to create global force
 By Deborah Netburn
 Los Angeles Times
 October 28, 2013

 Even the United Nations is taking the threat of asteroids hitting our
 planet seriously.

 Last week, the U.N. General Assembly approved measures to coordinate detection
 and response to asteroid strikes that could level cities and possibly
 destroy our civilization.

 Specifically, the agency voted to create an International Asteroid Warning
 Network made up of scientists, observatories and space agencies around
 the planet to share information about newly discovered asteroids and how
 likely they are to impact Earth. The group will also work with disaster
 relief organizations to help them determine the best response to an asteroid
 impact like the one that rattled the Russian city of Chelyabinsk in February.

 The U.N. will also set up a space mission planning advisory group to look
 into how humans might deflect an asteroid heading our way -- the best
 options, the costs and the technologies needed. The results of that study
 will be shared with space agencies throughout the world.

 The General Assembly also agreed that the existing U.N. Committee on
 the Peaceful Uses of Outer Space would monitor threats from asteroids
 and help plan and authorize a deflection campaign if necessary.

 These measures were based in part on recommendations from the Association
 of Space Explorers, a professional society of astronauts and cosmonauts.
 The group, made up entirely of people who have flown in the space, submitted
 a report to the U.N. in 2009 titled Asteroid Threats: A Call for Global
 Response. The report outlined steps for how the U.N. could help prevent
 a dangerous asteroid strike.

 Speaking at a news conference on Friday, Apollo 9 Astronaut Rusty Schweickart
 said the group believes decisions on how to respond to an asteroid threat
 must be handled by an international body.

 As of now, the only way to deflect a dangerous asteroid is to detect it
 10 to 15 years in advance, and then alter its orbit slightly so it would
 miss Earth, Schweickart said.

 The question is, which way do you move it? he said. And if something
 goes wrong in the middle of the deflection, you have now caused havoc
 in some other nation that was not at risk. Therefore, this decision of
 what to do and how to do it, what systems to use, and all the rest of
 it has to be coordinated internationally.

 Schweickart described the measures recently adopted by the U.N. as a skeleton
 of a decision-making process that will help guide the international community
 on how to handle a threat if one arises.

 I say a skeleton because it has no meat or muscle on it yet,  he said.
 That is the challenge as we go forward.

 The members of the space explorers group have already outlined the next
 steps that they would like to see implemented in a global asteroid defense
 plan.

 They want to see national governments include asteroid impacts in their
 disaster response plans and budgets, and they want policy makers to direct
 national space agencies to launch an international asteroid deflection
 demonstration in the next 10 years.

 They also want to find the nearly 1 million near-Earth objects that could
 potentially strike our planet.

 One-hundred years ago, if the Earth is hit by an asteroid ... that is
 bad luck, said Ed Lu, an member of the group who spent seven months on
 the International Space Station and is now chief executive of the B612
 Foundation. If 20 years from now we get hit again, that is not bad luck,
 that is stupidity. We can do better as a race.


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Re: [meteorite-list] Old Sci-Fi Movie on TCM Tonight

[GREG LINDH]

Robert, 

  I know the old Sci-Fi's are hokey and full of nonsense, but I still love 
them.  Good memories.
  BTW, I remember this movie and what happens.  I won't spoil it for you.

  Greg L.



 Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 19:45:27 -0700
 From: meteoritefin...@yahoo.com
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Old Sci-Fi Movie on TCM Tonight
 
 All, 
 
 IF you are (most likely) up for a few laughs tonight, I just saw that TCM is 
 airing an old 1954 movie tonight
 called Riders to the Stars. IMDB plot summaries read:
 
 In an attempt to discover the composition of meteors, three astronauts are 
 sent out into space in three specially designed rockets. Their mission is to 
 capture a meteor and bring it to Earth.
 
 In the mid-1950's, American scientists determine that they require metal 
 from meteors if they are to build spacecraft that can withstand the rigors of 
 space travel. To that end they recruit 12 scientists and ask them to undergo 
 a series of tests. The men don't quite know exactly what they are being 
 tested for but in the end, three are selected to go into space. The mission 
 is a success, but not all will return.
 
 I wonder just how many other, totally outrageous mistakes ( in addition to 
 all those above ) this 2 star rated movie will contain? 
 Probably a total waste of film and one's time, but I admit I just HAVE to DVR 
 it and at least give it a quick look.
 It will be very easy to delete.
 
 Best,
 Robert Woolard
 
 
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Significant digits

[GREG LINDH]

Thanks for the explanation, Rob.  That makes it a lot easier for me to accept.  
Sometimes claims by scientists mystify me.  This was one of those times, but I 
understand it now.  Thanks again.


  Greg L.




 Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 13:54:43 -0700
 From: robert.d.mat...@saic.com
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Significant digits

 Hi Greg,

 Good old empty precision on a number converted from metric units.
 11,000 metric tons = 24250848.8 lbs. The humorous thing is that
 I seriously doubt the original mass is known to better than a
 factor of 3, so none of the digits are significant. --Rob

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Re: [meteorite-list] the most beautifull lunar of the planet earth

[GREG LINDH]

  Spectacular piece, Aziz!  Thanks for sharing.

  Greg L.


 Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 21:36:49 -0800
 From: azizhab...@yahoo.com
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] the most beautifull lunar of the planet earth
 
 hello listoids
 i wnat to share with you this beauty , its a 66 gr lunar with avery special 
 crust that exist also in one antartic lunar
 this beauty has flowlines like tears; and completely glassy crsut like glass.
 enjoy, there is still some meteorite that can amaze you
 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/azizhabibi/
 
 aziz h
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] OFF LIST: BLM and Meteorite Recovery Policy

[GREG LINDH]

Very nice post, Jodie..seriously.

Greg L.

 Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 14:38:35 -0800
 From: spacero...@spaceballoon.org
 To: nick.gess...@duke.edu
 CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; d...@dougross.net
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OFF LIST: BLM and Meteorite Recovery Policy
 
 Hi Nick,
 
 You agree that the people should fear their government? Thomas
 Jefferson might have noted the support of tyranny in such an
 [apparent] statement {^1}.
 
 Other respondents have noted instances where the land management
 agencies have started small and eventually leveraged that impression of they
 only want a little to ultimately kill the entire pursuit. It's a
 standard playbook really: steal a small amount until the people say
 ouch, then wait until they've become accustomed to the new
 standard, then steal a little more. Rinse, lather, repeat.
 
 The OHV (four-wheeling) community have spent untold fortunes
 litigating themselves back into existence after allowing this very
 thing. It could never happen to us, right? We've heard others
 refer to treasure hunting/metal detecting, antiquities,
 paleontological collecting, etc., but that will never happen here -
 no, better we should shut up and try not to anger the
 government-beast.
 
 Personally: I'd never accurately report another find; retroactive
 legislation is all too common.
 
 Best Regards,
 
 --- Jodie
 
 ^1: When the people fear the government there is tyranny, when the
 government fears the people there is liberty. - Attributed to Thomas
 Jefferson, possibly properly sourced to John Basil Barnhill.
 
 Regardless of the source, it has proven a truism in every case.
 
 
 
  Doug,
 
  I fully agree with you...
 
  Cheers, Nick
 
  Nicholas Gessler, Ph.D.
 
 
  
  From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
  [meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] on behalf of Doug Ross 
  [d...@dougross.net]
  Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 1:49 PM
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] BLM and Meteorite Recovery Policy
 
  [CLIP!] [...] My concern is that mounting an aggressive campaign to
  elicit a revision in these guidelines could backfire. The easiest
  answer for a bureaucrat to give, when pressed for a response, is
  No. [CLIP!] [...] I just hope that it is handled in a way that doesn't
  provoke an outright hunting ban by the Feds next year.
 
  Doug Ross
  d...@dougross.net
 
 
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] NASA's Curiosity Rover Wants Your Vote

[GREG LINDH]

  Nice post, Rob, and I'll second your vote for Curiosity.  This sould be a no 
contest vote.  Curiosity wins, hands down.

  Greg L.


 Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 18:41:19 -0800
 From: robert.d.mat...@saic.com
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NASA's Curiosity Rover Wants Your Vote
 
 Hi Ron,
 
 I would certainly rank Curiosity well above the likes of Bashar Assad,
 Kim Jong-I-haven't-don't-anything-yet-Un, Mitt Romney, Paul Ryan, Barack
 Obama, Joe Biden, Karl Rove (you've got to be kidding), Michael (Nanny)
 Bloomberg, Jon Stewart, Stephen Colbert, Roger Goodell, Pussy Riot,
 Jay-Z, Psy, or the nameless Undocumented Immigrants.
 
 But as with the Nobel Peace Prize (which has become an utter joke), I
 fully expect Time to designate some mass-murderer like Un or Assad, or
 some flash-in-the-pan pop celebrity. Curiosity has one of my votes. :-)
 
 --Rob
 
 -Original Message-
 From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
 [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Ron
 Baalke
 Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 4:58 PM
 To: Meteorite Mailing List
 Subject: [meteorite-list] NASA's Curiosity Rover Wants Your Vote
 
 
 MEDIA RELATIONS OFFICE
 JET PROPULSION LABORATORY
 CALIFORNIA INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY
 NATIONAL AERONAUTICS AND SPACE ADMINISTRATION PASADENA, CALIF. 91109
 PHONE 818-354-5011 http://www.jpl.nasa.gov
 
 Feature
 Dec. 3, 2012
 
 NASA's Curiosity Rover Wants Your Vote
 
 TIME magazine has nominated NASA's most technologically advanced rover
 yet as one of its nearly 40 candidates for the Person of the Year 
 designation. Describing the sole robotic nominee as the best car in the
 solar system that captured the attention of millions when it completed
 a fraught landing sequence with seamless grace, TIME is giving readers a
 chance to cast their vote for the venerable spacecraft.
 
 Visit the TIME poll (http://ti.me/WEZT8y) to cast your vote before
 11:59 p.m. on Dec. 12. The people's choice winner will be announced on
 Dec. 14.
 
 A real-time ranking of all the nominees, including Curiosity, is
 available at
 http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,2128881_21291
 11_2129112,00.html.
 
 For more information about Curiosity and other Mars missions, visit: 
 http://www.nasa.gov/mars
 .
 You can follow the mission on Facebook and Twitter at: 
 http://www.facebook.com/marscuriosity and
 http://www.twitter.com/marscuriosity .
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] BLM and Meteorite Recovery Policy

[GREG LINDH]

  Adam,
  This is an example of government bureaucracy doing what it does best.  This 
is just the beginning.  I'm not a hunter, but I'm affected because I buy from 
those of you who do the actual hunting.  People here on The List *feel* this 
up close and personal, because they're directly affected.  This kind of thing 
goes on all the time throughout our increasingly over regulated society.  
Remember, the bigger the government the smaller the citizen.
  The thing is, once the genie is out of the bottle, it's very hard, maybe 
impossible to put him back in.  That's the nature of an over reaching 
government.

  Greg L.


 Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 08:00:05 -0800
 From: raremeteori...@yahoo.com
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] BLM and Meteorite Recovery Policy
 
 It is interesting that the BLM has pulled the Antiquities Act out of a hat in 
 this version. We can thank Douglas Schmidt for this connection in the 
 infamous paper he wrote years ago claiming meteorites are cultural objects. 
 He went as far as quoting the Antiquities Act in his ramblings. Now educators 
 and researchers have to obtain an Antiquities Act permit for meteorites. 
 Really? 
 
 
 We can thank all the over-hype in the media and TV programs for the rest of 
 the restrictions! It looks like a few have ruined it for the rest of us!
 
 These rules affect everybody interested in the pursuit and it will not be 
 long before our public lands are completely closed. What a nice legacy our 
 generation has left behind. May we never forget the few responsible for the 
 downfall of a great avocation.
 
 
 Happy Hunting,
 
 Adam
 
 
 
 
 
 From: Nicholas Gessler, Ph.D. nick.gess...@duke.edu
 To: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
 Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2012 7:08 AM
 Subject: [meteorite-list] BLM and Meteorite Recovery Policy
 
 Regarding the BLM's policy on Collection of Meteorites on Public Land 
 posted at:
 http://www.blm.gov/wo/st/en/info/regulations/Instruction_Memos_and_Bulletins/national_instruction/2012/IM_2012-182.html
 I have written three emails of complaint to Lucia Kuizon, National 
 Paleontologist and lkui...@blm.gov, and Frank Jenks, Natural Resources 
 Specialist fje...@blm.gov, buty as yet have not had the courtesy of a reply.
 
 At this time, I'm prepared to file a FOIA (Freedom of Information) request 
 for all documentation leading up to the legislation posted on their website, 
 to include minutes of all meetings, drafts, lists of committee members and 
 individuals consulted, emails pertaining to the above, etc.
 
 Before I do so, has anyone else filed such a request? Have any other list 
 members received any official communications from the BLM regarding their 
 policy?
 
 I note that the policy is set to expire in one year, which would imply that 
 implementation of this policy is still in flux. I am surprised how naive, 
 unrealistic, self-contradictory and wrongheaded this legislation is and I 
 think that we on the list, the Meteoritical Society and academic and 
 scientific institutions should come together to oppose it.
 
 I have a full teaching and research schedule, so please forgive me if this 
 all has been hashed out on the list before or if protests have already been 
 filed. If anyone else is moving forward on this, please get in touch with me. 
 Please email me directly if you have any inside information on this. I'm 
 pretty sure there was no consultation with those potentially affected by this 
 legislation. We need a website devoted to this struggle. Perhaps I can 
 contribute to that effort.
 
 Regards,
 Nick
 
 
 nick.gess...@duke.edu
 http://isis.duke.edu/gessler
 Research Associate (ISIS)
 INFORMATION SCIENCE  INFORMATION STUDIES
 Duke University, Durham, North Carolina
 
 Courses:
 ARTIFICIAL LIFE, CULTURE  EVOLUTIONARY COMPUTATION
 Multiagent Complex Systems / ISIS-170, CompSci-107, VisMedStudies-172
 ESPIONAGE, CRYPTOLOGY  PSYCHOLOGICAL OPERATIONS
 Networks of Trust, Secrecy  Deception / ISIS-235, CultAnth-226
 METEORITES  SOLAR SYSTEM HISTORY
 History of  Simulations in the Science of Meteoritics / ISIS-230, 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Novato, Addison, Battle Mountain, Sutter's Mill, Beni Yacoub, Others?

[GREG LINDH]

  Yeah, Adam, we soon may be eating twinkie knock offs, made in Mexico.  What a 
shame.
  The same type of intrusion will most likely see it's way into the meteorite 
community.  This too, will be a shame.  I'm not a hunter, but, what hurts you 
hunters, hurts me as a collector.
  The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.  I'd say that's a pretty 
solid axiom.

  Greg L.


 Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 08:09:21 -0800
 From: raremeteori...@yahoo.com
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Novato, Addison, Battle Mountain, Sutter's 
 Mill, Beni Yacoub, Others?
 
 Yes, social media. Pretty soon, you will be rated on your online social 
 profile if Bill Gates gets has his way. I can see it now, insurance companies 
 refusing to insure due to a non-existent or poor social profile. Even the 
 founder of Facebook refused to open an account until recently knowing this 
 information is shared for profit, offering user demographics and interests to 
 companies. Nowadays, Information equals money. Even your cell phone imbeds 
 GPS coordinates into your images that can and will be used against you if the 
 time arises. I recently rented a car with Onstar on-board and had to sign a 
 contract stating that I would not take the 4-wheel drive vehicle off-road and 
 that they would know if I did. What purpose does a rental 4-wheel drive Jeep 
 Wrangler serve if it cannot be taken into the dirt? 
 
 
 Recently, a computer in a car was used in court to convict a driver of 
 manslaughter. Maybe not a bad thing if the person were guilty but taking the 
 word of a computer over the testimony of human beings is something else. I 
 know this sounds like paranoia on my part but I assure you that it is all 
 true.
 
 Too much information can be a bad thing thus the meaning of going 
 underground. At least in Australia, the museums actually issue export 
 permits. Lets see if anybody gets a U.S. meteorite collecting permit for 
 commercial purposes. My belief is that it will never happen!
 
 I ponder all of this as I may be eating the last Hostess Twinkie ever 
 produced after 82 years of being in business! The Battle Mountain fall may be 
 remembered as the last event on U.S. public land where hunters could openly 
 share.
 
 
 Happy Hunting Fellow Comrades,
 
 Adam
 
 
 
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com
 To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com
 Cc: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 7:32 AM
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Novato, Addison, Battle Mountain, Sutter's 
 Mill, Beni Yacoub, Others?
 
 Actually plenty is going on behind the scenes. The lack of interest on the 
 list with new falls has finally driven most of us working actively on such 
 new falls to no longer bother with sharing much. 
 Sadly many of the people here actually aren't interested in actual 
 meteorites, but other things. It takes time to compose emails, share 
 information, and write about these adventures and to share with a thousand 
 people who don't actually care, is a waste of that time. 
 I know many of the people working these falls now, though for the last two I 
 have not had time to go and with Novato, I decided to pass on that fall since 
 the scientific response was so poorly handled and the overwhelming chaotic 
 treasure hunt mentality of the locals make it a hunt I did not want to 
 participate in.
 
 Over the years I have seen the responses on here drop to nothing other than 
 attacks after a fall, so I think that mostly the reason you don't see many 
 hunters bothering with it. Most information has gone the Facebook route.
 
 Michael Farmer
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Nov 18, 2012, at 7:56 AM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
  
  The U.S. market is in the process of going underground due to new 
  restrictions and monitoring. We saw the same thing happen in Australia 
  which has less restrictive laws than the U.S. 
  
  I have always stated that too much price hype in the media equals 
  governmental interest. Interest equals the need to control.
  
  Happy Hunting,
  
  Adam
  
  
  
  
  - Original Message -
  From: MikeG meteoritem...@gmail.com
  To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
  Cc: 
  Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2012 8:13 PM
  Subject: [meteorite-list] Novato, Addison, Battle Mountain, Sutter's Mill, 
  Beni Yacoub, Others?
  
  We've had lots of new falls this year, and especially over the last
  couple of months. Yet, we are hearing very little chatter. What
  gives?
  
  Any new Novato or Addison finds? Any reports?
  
  What about some of the older falls, like Battle Mountain and Sutter's
  Mill? Are any new finds being made from those strewnfields?
  
  The Met-List seems strangely quiet, given the amount of space rocks we
  are being peppered with.
  
  Best regards and happy huntings,
  
  MikeG
  -- 
  -
 

Re: [meteorite-list] BLM New Meteorite Hunting Rules

[GREG LINDH]

There is a simple rule that is pretty ironclad:
The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.
This applies to just about everything, including hunting for meteorites.
When will we learn?
Greg L.

 Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 16:14:58 -0700
 From: raremeteori...@yahoo.com
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] BLM New Meteorite Hunting Rules

 Jim stated:


 While they are claiming media sparked this, most of us knew it was coming, 
 just did not know when or how the wording would be.

 My experience has been when high monetary values are attached to any object 
 or pursuit, governments will quickly become interested. They cant help it, 
 controlling and taxing everything is in their nature.

 These are some tough new rules that all of of us now have have live by. We 
 can thank the recent popularization of meteorite collecting/hunting in the 
 media for making all of us who pursue a wholesome avocation look like 
 poachers! Now the BLM has the tools necessary to wipe out field gathering all 
 together. Once tighter rules are in place, it is much easier to change them 
 to state No meteorite collecting whatsoever. I see this happening very soon.

 I have already been through all of this as a treasure hunter and had to 
 abandon that hobby over ten years ago. We will soon join the ranks of 
 artifact, treasure and fossil hunters. Thank you to everybody who made this 
 possible.


 I was hoping for another decade of unimpeded hunting.


 Not so happy hunting,

 Adam
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Re: [meteorite-list] President Obama Calls NASA's Mars Rover Team Today

[GREG LINDH]

  
That's nice, but NASA and our space program have pretty much been eviscerated. 
Americans will be first to walk on Mars? Really? 

Greg L. 



 From: baa...@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 13:00:56 -0700
 Subject: [meteorite-list] President Obama Calls NASA's Mars Rover Team Today


 http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2012-240

 President Obama Calls NASA's Mars Rover Team Today
 Jet Propulsion Laboratory
 August 13, 2012

 [Photo]
 President Barack Obama talks on the phone with NASA's Curiosity Mars
 rover team President Barack Obama talks on the phone with NASA's
 Curiosity Mars rover team aboard Air Force One during a flight to Offutt
 Air Force Base in Nebraska, Aug. 13, 2012. (Official White House Photo
 by Pete Souza)

 PASADENA, Calif. - President Barack Obama called members of NASA's
 Curiosity Mars rover team at the agency's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in
 Pasadena, Calif. on Monday to congratulate them on the incredibly
 impressive mission.

 An audio recording of the call and video recording of the JPL team's
 portion of the call is available at

 http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/2468166 .

 We could not be more excited, said the President, telling the team
 that it's really mind boggling what you've been able to accomplish.

 The president also noted his administration's focus on engineering and
 science and math and said that Curiosity is inspiring kids across the
 country.

 You know, they're telling their Moms and Dads they want to be part of a
 Mars mission, maybe even the first person to walk on Mars, said the
 president. He also said that the quest for knowledge represented by
 missions like Curiosity is really what makes us best as a species, this
 curiosity that we have and this yearning to discover and know more.

 President Obama's call came a week after Curiosity landed on the Red
 Planet. Curiosity carries the most advanced science payload ever used on
 Mars' surface. During the next two years, it will use its 10 instruments
 to investigate whether conditions have been favorable for microbial life
 and for preserving clues in the rocks about possible past life.

 In addition to praising the team's hard work, the president also joked
 about finding Martians and noted the popularity of the Mohawk guy,
 flight director Bobak Ferdowsi.

 You guys are a little cooler than you used to be, he said.

 For more information about NASA's Curiosity mission, visit:
 http://www.nasa.gov/mars and http://marsprogram.jpl.nasa.gov/msl .

 Curiosity was designed, developed and assembled at JPL, which also is
 where the rover's mission control is located. The California Institute
 of Technology in Pasadena manages JPL for NASA.

 Veronica McGregor 818-354-9452
 Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.
 veronica.mcgre...@jpl.nasa.gov

 Michael Cabbage 202-358-1600
 NASA Headquarters, Washington
 mcabb...@nasa.gov

 2012-240

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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites Reveal Another Way to Make Life's Components

[GREG LINDH]

 
  Wow!  The depth and unbiased nature of this post, and the ones responding to 
it, is truly amazing.  
 
 
 
  Greg L.
 
 



 Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 13:44:27 -0700
 From: mlbl...@cox.net
 To: richardli...@comcast.net; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites Reveal Another Way to Make Life's 
 Components
 
 A major element in the problem with most of those calling
 Themselves Christians these days is that they
 See God as an anthropomorphic individual. This makes it
 Difficult to see the glory or creation in anything other
 Than comic book images.
 
 They actually envision God as a big (male) human who
 Literally, with His hands, shaped Adam out of mud.
 They cannot even see what a nearly perfect allegory that is
 For evolution arising from a primeval soup.
 
 Evidence of transpermia is growing - but don't confuse
 Them with facts.
 
 Odd
 Michael
 
 
 
 
 On 3/10/12 5:58 AM, Dick Lipke richardli...@comcast.net wrote:
 
  Years ago I got a lot of questionable looks concerning my sanity when I
  brought up
  the idea of meteorites being the Johny Appleseed of of life on Earth to
  members of my astronomy club.
  Needless to say it resulted in many,many comments of out rage.
  They reminded me of how it must have felt to be among the first
  to refute the idea that Earth was the center of the Universe.
  Lucky for me my kind of thinking came in 20th century, back then they still
  burnt 
  people at the stake for being possessed by satin.
  
  
  Richard Lipke
  
  
  - Original Message -
  Meteorites Reveal Another Way to Make Life's Components
  ScienceDaily, March 9, 2012,
  http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/03/120309104845.htm
  
  Meteorites Reveal Another Way to Make Life's Components
  Klaus Schmidt, March 10, 2012
  http://spacefellowship.com/news/art27926/meteorites-reveal-another-way-to-mak
  e-life-s-components.html
  
  The paper is:
  
  Burton, A. S., J. E. Elsila, M. P. Callahan, M. G. Martin, D. P.
  Glavin, N. M. Johnson, and J. P. Dworkin. A propensity
  for n-w-amino acids in thermally altered Antarctic
  meteorites. Meteoritics  Planetary Science. Article
  first published online: 8 March 2012
  http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10./j.1945-5100.2012.01341.x/abstract
  
  best wishes,
  
  Paul H.
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[meteorite-list] Test.....please disregard.

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Re: [meteorite-list] New corrosion protection

[GREG LINDH]

 
  RIG is a grease that is rubbed on the metal parts of pistols and rifles.  It 
prevents rusting, and has been used for decades.  I put some on a rag and 
rubbed down my irons, and there is virtually no rust on any of them.
 
 
  Greg L.
 
 
 
 
  From: njtom...@aol.com  Date: Fri, 24 Feb 
2012 10:08:27 -0500  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New corrosion protection  
To: gee...@msn.com   What is RIG?   In a message dated 2/23/2012 11:07:36 
P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  gee...@msn.com writes:A very thin coating 
of Rig works great. My irons have virtually no  rust on them.Greg L. 
   Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 19:59:21 -0500   From: 
h...@meteorhall.com   To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com   Subject: 
[meteorite-list] New corrosion protection A few months ago I came 
across a product that may at last keep our   meteorites from corroding. It is 
Intercept Technology, developed by Lucent   Technologies to provide 
protection against corrosion, rust and mildew.   Just before the Tucson show 
I purchased the material and gave some out to   a few of the meteorite 
dealers during the Tucson Show, to try out on   irons, and then to let me 
know h
 ow it works out. I'm now using it for all   of my stored meteorites. Check 
it out. Regards, Fred Hall 
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Re: [meteorite-list] New corrosion protection

[GREG LINDH]

 
  A very thin coating of Rig works great.  My irons have virtually no rust on 
them.
 
 
  Greg L.
 
 



 Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 19:59:21 -0500
 From: h...@meteorhall.com
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] New corrosion protection
 
 A few months ago I came across a product that may at last keep our
 meteorites from corroding. It is Intercept Technology, developed by Lucent
 Technologies to provide protection against corrosion, rust and mildew.
 Just before the Tucson show I purchased the material and gave some out to
 a few of the meteorite dealers during the Tucson Show, to try out on
 irons, and then to let me know how it works out. I'm now using it for all
 of my stored meteorites. Check it out. Regards, Fred Hall
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] New corrosion protection

[GREG LINDH]

 
  I live in Prescott Valley, AZ.
 
 
  Greg L.
 
 
 
 
  From: midwestmet...@earthlink.net  
To: gee...@msn.com; h...@meteorhall.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com  
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New corrosion protection  Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 
22:10:49 -0600   Hi Greg,  What part of the country do you live in?   
Best,  Tim Heitz - Original Message -  From: GREG LINDH 
gee...@msn.com  To: h...@meteorhall.com; meteorite-list  
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com  Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 10:07 
PM  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New corrosion protection A 
very thin coating of Rig works great. My irons have virtually no   rust on 
them.   Greg L. Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 
19:59:21 -0500   From: h...@meteorhall.com   To: 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com   Subject: [meteorite-list] New 
corrosion protection A few months ago I came across a product that 
may at last keep our 
   meteorites from corroding. It is Intercept Technology, developed by   
Lucent   Technologies to provide protection against corrosion, rust and 
mildew.   Just before the Tucson show I purchased the material and gave some 
out to   a few of the meteorite dealers during the Tucson Show, to try out 
on   irons, and then to let me know how it works out. I'm now using it for 
all   of my stored meteorites. Check it out. Regards, Fred Hall 
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Re: [meteorite-list] 2nd Report from Strewnfield in Edgewood Texas

[GREG LINDH]

 
  Doug,
 
  Your post has been a breath of fresh air, as compared to all of the 
warnings being issued by so many people.  One would think that there is a 
desire to dampen the spirits of those who might want to look for the 
meteorites.  I've noticed this same dynamic in play with other falls.  Seems 
like the hunters would encourage other people to show up and join them, but it 
doesn't seem to be the case.  Perhaps I'm wrong.I hope so.
 
 
  Greg L.
 
 



 To: searchingfor...@sbcglobal.net; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 From: mexicod...@aim.com
 Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 23:55:23 -0500
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 2nd Report from Strewnfield in Edgewood Texas
 
 Brian wrote:
 
 stay off ... permission to hunt on it.
 
 I'm with Eric on the panthers; it's hard to live as a child in the 
 natural habitat of panthers (the *Florida Panther* is the official 
 state animal and correct common name of the animal), but our guys 
 certainly don't range to Texas.
 
 As for the scare tactics, sheesh, every time there is a new meteorite 
 fall we run through the same drill and after a while hasn't anyone 
 gotten a little tired of the overly protective nature of it? Oh, 
 don't go there! Oh spiders and snakes! Oh crazy druggies! Oh, mean 
 thugs!
 
 Well, I agree that there are risks especially in certain circumstances, 
 and a low key noting of caution is always helpful and great. What I 
 object to is the three ringed circus that usually seems to be blown out 
 of proportion in the most inconspicuous places ... now, a nature 
 reserve outside Dallas ! Risk is such a subject and relative 
 construction, I mean walking down the street in my hometown in Mexico 
 used to be safer than any US city and now it is 10 times more dangerous 
 that tough US inner cities ...
 
 The advice to actually respect peoples wishes is the tried and true 
 method of success in the strewn field. Here's a training video for a 
 future meteorite hunter who would eat the space rock given a chance ! 
 Ah, to learn the complex definition and subtleties of the meaning of 
 NO! (nao)!
 
 Kindest wishes
 Doug
 
 
 
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Are Mars Meteorites Magnetic?

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  Hi Bernd,
 
  I meant to address this email to you and not to Eric.  So here it is again.
 
  I have always wondered why people here on the List, keep referring to some 
meteorites as being magnetic. To me, being magnetic means having the 
properties of a magnet. There are no meteorites that natually attract iron, so 
why are they described as being magnetic? Am I wrong?
 
 
  Regards,  
 
  Greg L.
 
 



 From: bernd.pa...@paulinet.de
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 23:36:07 +
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Are Mars Meteorites Magnetic?
 
 Eric inquired:
 
 Are Mars meteorites magnetic at all?
 
 Some of them are definitely attracted to a magnet!
 
 One of these is Bob Verish's Los Angeles and when I held
 a magnet to one my LAs, it readily jumped to the magnet!
 
 See, for example:
 
 COLLINSON D.W.(1997) Magnetic properties of Martian meteorites:
 Implications for an ancient Martian magnetic field (Meteoritics 32-6, 1997, 
 803).
 
 Best wishes for 2012,
 
 Bernd
 
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day

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  I've got to say, this is one of the most interesting photos that has been 
presented.  A meteorite art museum.very cool, guys.
 
 
  Greg L.
 



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 CC: 
 Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 04:00:01 -0700
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day
 
 Chinga
 
 http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpod.asp
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Re: [meteorite-list] Real UFO?

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  Your news source is the Huffington Post..nuff said.
 
 



 Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 18:57:32 -0500
 From: cdtuc...@cox.net
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Real UFO?
 
 List,
 What is this? Could somebody please explain this? see link;
 
 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/01/ufo-nfl-game_n_1033966.html
 
 Carl
 Meteoritemax
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day

[GREG LINDH]

 
   I have a couple oriented meteorites, but when I see one like this, I drool.  
Very nice.
 
 
   Greg L.
 
 
 



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 Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 04:00:01 -0700
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day
 
 Unclassified NWA
 
 http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpod.asp
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Re: [meteorite-list] Statistically Speaking

[GREG LINDH]

 
  Hey Ruben,
 
  I was looking at your questions and I thought about something I read in 
Rocks From Space, by O. Richard Norton.  At the beginning of chapter 17, page 
307 to be exact, he refers to a Canadian study where they estimated that there 
should be about 10 meteorites currently existing for every square mile of land. 
 He goes into the details of how they came up with that number.  Check it out.  
I hope this will help you.
 
 
  Greg Lindh
 
 



 Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 20:12:10 -0700
 From: mrmeteor...@gmail.com
 To: gmh...@centurylink.net
 CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Statistically Speaking
 
 Thanks everyone!
 
 I feel better now... I see that I am not alone in being uneasy about
 giving definitive answers to questions like these -especially on TV.
 Anne, I think that's a good point about Sikhote Alin as it would have
 made a mess out of even a very large city.
 
 Greg, I am well aware of how some producers try to get answers that
 are sensationalistic - truth is often secondary.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 7:47 PM, Greg Hupé gmh...@centurylink.net wrote:
  Hey Ruben,
  What a great participation for us all. Thanks!
  I think a particular dog has a headache... Rob, help me here and provide
  your link!! :)
 
  Ruben, Have fun with the interview and remember, 'almost' all interviewers
  are after the 'Big Buck Drama... and I'm not talking about deer season,
  brother! ;-)
 
  Greg
 
 
  -Original Message- From: Ruben Garcia
  Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 8:46 PM
  To: Meteorite List
  Subject: [meteorite-list] Statistically Speaking
 
  Hi all,
 
 
  I know there are a lot of people on this forum that know meteorite
  statistics way better than I do. So I thought I'd ask for a little
  help.
  In a week or two I'll be doing an interview for a brand new TV Show
  about stats - my episode will obviously be about meteorite statistics.
  With any luck these questions will go to a scientist (and not me) and
  I can just concentrate on the hunting aspect - which is why I'll
  really be there.
 
  Here are a few basic questions that I should probably know. But
  I'm not sure if I do. So, if you're feeling like helping - send me an
  email with the correct answers.
 
 
  1. Q. How many meteorites hit the ground per year?
  A. On average about 1 per square mile per thousand years. About
  20,000 to 40,000 per year.
 
  2. Q. Has anyone ever been hit by a meteorite?
  A. I only know of Ann Hodges - Sylacauga, Alabama, USA
 
  3. Q. Has any animal ever been hit by a meteorite?
  A. I'm not sure... there are stories of a dog and a cow being hit...but?
 
  4. Q. How often does a city ending meteorite (think Canyon Diablo)
  strike the earth?
  A. ?
 
  5. Q. Has any animal ever found a meteorite?
  A. Sorry, I just threw that one in to see if you were paying
  attentionlol
 
  6. Q. How much in weight does the earth gain per year by all the
  meteorites that enter our atmosphere? Including all, from tiny grain
  of sand meteorites to large bunker-busters.
  A. No clue..
 
 
 
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  Rock On!
 
  Ruben Garcia
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Smoke Trails

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  I'm not a scientist, but I think the contrail has more moisture in it, and 
this could cause it to linger longer than the meteorite trail. Just a thought.  
 
 
 
  Greg L.
 
 
 



 From: pshu...@messengersfromthecosmos.com
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 20:41:38 -0700
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Smoke Trails

 Why does a jet's contrail last for quite a while,
 yet a meteorite's trail disapears so very quickly?
 Pete Shugar
 IMCA 1733


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[meteorite-list] Real or not real.

[GREG LINDH]

 
  To all,
 
  Are there any stones that have been found that are unable to be definitively 
identified as a meteorite?  In other words, are there stones (metal or stony) 
that the meteorite experts of the world examine closely, and then just say, We 
just don't know?
 
 
  Greg L. 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Ad: Huge 60 lb Canyon Diablo and Large Portalles Valley 1/2 stone

[GREG LINDH]

  Would I love to own that Canyon Diablo, but *no way* is that kind of thing in 
my budget.
 
  Beautifulthanks for sharing, Ruben.
 
 
  Greg L.
 
 


 Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 10:59:19 -0700
 From: mrmeteor...@gmail.com
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad: Huge 60 lb Canyon Diablo and Large Portalles 
 Valley 1/2 stone
 
 Hi all,
 
 I'm posting an ad for a friend - not on the met-list.
 
 Here are two meteorites rarely seen for sale (in this size)
 
 The first is a Huge 60 lb Canyon Diablo Meteorite
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UDmQXkJ7Dg
 
 The second is a Large Portalles Valley 1/2 stone (1884 grams)
 http://s260.photobucket.com/albums/ii35/meteoritemall/Portalles%20Valley%20Meteorite%20half%20stone/
 
 These are worth looking at even if you are not in the market.
 
 Email for prices, both are very resonably priced. Don't be afraid to
 make an offer either. You can't hurt my feelings, and the owner is
 somewhat motivated to sell!
 
 
 -- 
 Rock On!
 
 Ruben Garcia
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - April 19, 2011

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  What a gorgeous specimen.  Different than you normal S.A.
 
  
  


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 Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - April 19, 2011

 http://www.rocksfromspace.org/April_19_2011.html


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Re: [meteorite-list] A new way to teach!

[GREG LINDH]

  
  Very well put together video, Ruben.  I'd say it was a *great* way to teach!
 
 
  Greg L.
 
 
 


 Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 09:59:42 -0700
 From: mrmeteor...@gmail.com
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] A new way to teach!
 
 Hi all,
 
 I think I'm the first to try this. It's an animated me teaching the
 basics of meteorite hunting. It's a tool that others on this forum
 might want to try. It may come in handy if you are teaching kids (or
 adults) and need a little help.
 
 Check it out here:
 http://www.mrmeteorite.com
 
 -- 
 Rock On!
 
 Ruben Garcia
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] tatahouine

[GREG LINDH]

 
  Lord have mercy, Elton!
 
  What the..?
 
 
  Greg L.
 
 
 


 Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 09:52:31 -0700
 From: mstrema...@yahoo.com
 To: stevenarnold60...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] tatahouine
 
 (NOTE: waste, fraud , and abuse of public funds is a matter of public 
 interest) 
 
 
 Steve, If you were to ask, I am sure some folks here on the list would rent 
 you some meteorites-- Netflix-style-- you can swap out every 2 weeks and save 
 all the 
 
 hassle of buying high and selling low.
 
 However I need to ask: are you using your unemployment check again to buy 
 meteorites? We both know the Illinois Department of Labor doesn't look kindly 
 on using 
 
 unemployment funds to purchase inventory for business-activity--and they 
 consider buying and selling 
 
 business-activity whether declared or not. In fact one isn't eligible for 
 unemployment if they run their own business, and if it is an unlicensed 
 business. That gets into the fraud arenaagain.
 
 One may not own/operate a business while drawing unemployment 
 compensation--and...well you already know that don't you? You may not be 
 earning 
 
 wages but you aren't unemployed, if you are buying and selling. Some folks 
 have 
 
 the the IDOL Fraud Hotline on speed dial. The messages you post on the 
 internet 
 
 are evidence that you engage in buying and selling during times of 
 unemployment.
 
 I don't know the penalty of a conviction on this but is it really worth the 
 risk 
 
 and given everything else you say is on your plate do you really want to take 
 groceries money to spend $350-600 for something you will eventually sell for 
 $70-80 out of desperation.
 
 Elton
 
 
 
 
 - Original Message 
  From: steve arnold stevenarnold60...@yahoo.com
  To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
  Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 9:04:52 AM
  Subject: [meteorite-list] tatahouine
  
  Good morning list.Anyone have any tatahouine available?Say in the 10 to 20 
  gram 
 
 
 
 
 
  range and could give me a good deal?
  Steve R.Arnold, Chicago! 
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Re: [meteorite-list] OT: RISKS OF NUCLEAR POWER

[GREG LINDH]

 
  I'm not a scientist, but from what I've heard and read, huge solar farms in 
desert areas require a lot of water for cleaning, etc.  These farms are put 
where there is an abundance of sunny days.the deserts.where water is 
scarce.  I live in Precott Valley, AZ.  We're already short on water.  The last 
thing we need is for our water to go to solar farms.
  I'm all for green energy sourcesI just don't think they are practical for 
producing the huge amounts of energy that a modern society requires.
  We need nuclear, oil and coal, in addition to green.
  Just my thoughts.
 
 
  Greg L.
 
 


 From: astror...@hotmail.com
 To: stanleygr...@hotmail.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 11:00:22 -0500
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT: RISKS OF NUCLEAR POWER
 
 
 Wind turbines, (1mega watt each) would need millions of them and they only 
 work when the wind is between 8 and 38 MPH.
 The Audubon Society hates them for killing migratory and predatory birds...
 Solar, is just that, no storage for the power and only works when the sun is 
 shining. The State land use committees hate 
 them because they take a lot of land and are ugly 
 Hydroelectric, Great when you have the available water and it is not 
 interfering with protected fish. That these rivers
 remain navigable and the spawning is not interrupted.
 Hey, if they can make a small portable Nuke plant, like the ones on our 
 Nuclear fleet, then they sure should be able
 to make small nuke plants that would be safe and built in a controlled 
 environment. The USS Ronald Reagan that
 is just off shore Japan is powered by a 250 MW Westinghouse nuke plant... 
 Needs refueling every 20 years.
 Dennis O'Miller 
 
 
  From: stanleygr...@hotmail.com
  To: sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
  Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 08:29:48 -0700
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT: RISKS OF NUCLEAR POWER
  
  
  I wonder how many people have died from solar, wind, and hydroelectric 
  power?
  
  You forget the long term impact of radiation exposure.
  
  Don't get me wrong, Nuclear power is good when safety precautions are in 
  place, but we seem to wait for disasters and then respond to them.
  
  I have been an advocate for 'green' energy since the 1970's, but here in 
  the US, it always gets killed and underfunded.
  
  Now let's get back to discussing meteorites.
  
  
  Greg S.
  
  
   From: sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net
   To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
   Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 00:38:58 -0500
   Subject: [meteorite-list] OT: RISKS OF NUCLEAR POWER
  
   List,
  
   We are invariably abnormally impressed by the
   sudden occurrence of a rare, high-risk event.
   We do not appraise them in a strictly rational
   manner when this happens.
  
   The current application of fear caused by a very
   rare event, as we see in Japan, is weighted heavily.
   For those interested in the actual data, the human
   cost, in lives, of the various means of electric power
   production are listed below.
  
   Deaths are for the period 1970 through 1992, the
   only period for which data could be collected for all
   the means of production.
  
   All deaths are immediate deaths, and the figures
   are on a worldwide basis, which includes countries
   with less stringent industrial safety requirements
   than the U.S. This is the picture for the Planet.
  
   Hydroelectric production accounted for roughly 4000
   deaths, of members of the public, or 883 deaths per
   terawatt-year. The vast majority of those deaths were
   from the failure of dams and impoundments.
  
   Coal power production produced about 6400 deaths,
   all of workers, for a death rate of 342 deaths per
   terawatt-year. (Deaths from the mining of coal are
   included in proportion to the use of coal in direct
   power production.)
  
   Natural Gas power production resulted in some
   1200 deaths, of both industry workers and the
   general public, for 85 deaths per terawatt-year.
  
   Nuclear Power resulted in 31 deaths, all of workers,
   for a total of 8 deaths per terawatt-year, or 1%
   of the deaths from safe environmentally friendly
   hydroelectric power.
  
   The other fuel, petroleum, is rarely used for power
   production but largely for transportation. How deadly,
   in these terms, is our transportation power use in
   cars and trucks as compared to the cost in life of
   power production?
  
   The U.S. consumed 0.138 teragallons of gasoline
   on 2009 (at 4.175 watt-years per gallon), with a
   total energy content of a mere 0.576 terawatt-years.
   Highway deaths in 2009 were 33,963, which yields
   58,943 deaths per terawatt-year of power consumed.
  
   Clearly, the use of this power source for transport
   is many orders of magnitude more dangerous than
   the production of electrical power, however it is
   accomplished. Our reaction to this horrendous
   risk is to 

[meteorite-list] Earthquake/tsunami.

[GREG LINDH]

 
  
I've been watching the tsunami sweep across large portions of Japan.  An 
absolute tragedy.  Pray for these people.  They really need help.
 
  Greg
  
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Re: [meteorite-list] Welcome Home

[GREG LINDH]

 
  I've had some hot disagreements with Mike Farmer in the past, as have others 
here on the List, but I think we should back off and cut him a break here.  I'm 
just happy that he and Robert are safe.  I look forward to hearing what 
happened in Oman.
 
 
  Greg Lindh
 
 


 From: gmh...@centurylink.net
 To: mlbl...@cox.net; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 22:58:01 -0500
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Welcome Home
 
 Hi Michael,
 
 With all due respect, if you really want to help Mike, don't you think you 
 could do it in a little better fashion? If not, don't you think it is pretty 
 low to cut him so badly the day after he returns home? I am friends with 
 both of you and wouldn't want either one of you talking like this.
 
 Best Regards,
 Greg
 
 
 Greg Hupe
 The Hupe Collection
 gmh...@centurylink.net
 www.LunarRock.com
 IMCA 3163
 
 
 -Original Message- 
 From: Michael Blood
 Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 10:36 PM
 To: Met. Eric Wichman Escondido ; Meteorite List
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Welcome Home
 
 Jim, Gary, Eric and all,
 
 No, it is NOT a joke. There is nothing funny about
 This situation at all.
 
 I stated NOTHING in my post Mike has is not born
 Out in Mike's own public statements. (though Jim informs
 Me it may have been a different prescription drug he gets
 Out of Mexico) - hell folks, where have you been? READ THE
 STINKING ARCHIVES.
 
 If you all really cared about Mike's welfare you would
 Be trying to support him in getting professional help, get on
 prescribed medication and get stabilized.
 
 You are all having knee jerk reactions. Think about it. If
 Mike were your brother wouldn't you want to see him get
 proper treatment?
 
 Mike is home safe - thank God. While he was in danger I
 Did everything possible I could to minimize any negative impact
 On him. The list started yammering about it and I pointed out we
 Needed to remain silent lest we make matters worse for Mike and
 Rob.
 
 John Blennert gave the talk before the auction and we agreed
 It should not be telecast, as John went through a very similar
 situation in Oman a couple of years ago and Omani officials offered
 him $235,000 to get Mike back on Omani territory (so they could
 Incarcerate him). John TOLD Mike this upon his return and Mike
 Acted like John was blaming him for John's incarceration.
 
 This is ALSO NOT NEW INFORMATION - but somehow
 This group seems to think since Mike has been through a hard
 Time of late we should pretend he doesn't have a problem.
 
 Mike isn't going to listen to me because I am strait with him
 AND NO ONE ELSE seems to be willing to or they somehow just
 Don't see the self destructive behavior right in front of their face.
 
 If you all think everything Mike does does not add up to a
 Big problem for HIM, or, you just don't get it, or you just don't
 Think it is your place to confront him with his self destructive
 Behavior -- well, folks, I don't know what to tell you, but I can't
 Do that to a friend. (Yes, I am sure Mike does not consider me
 A friend right now - but as far as I am concerned, I am the only
 One who is really relating to him as a friend).
 
 Oh, ya, you can tell yourselves what I have said is not friendly.
 Well, what I think is not friendly is seeing a brother in trouble and
 Being unwilling to deal with him about it.
 
 I am dumbfounded at people's reactions - do you think that just
 Because he could have had his hands cut off or been in prison for
 Years or even put to death that that means we should all pretend
 He didn't put himself in that position AFTER it was clearly explained
 To him by John Blennert that Oman was OUT TO GET HIM?
 
 - Going to a KINGDOM you HAVE BEEN TOLD is out to get you
 - Self medicating with serious prescription drugs
 - Being a business man who regularly bursts into ranting and
 Raving at potential customers and co-businessmen
 These are all serious self destructive behaviors. So, Greg, Jim
 And Eric, if you really give a damn about Mike's welfare Don't just
 say, Hooray! You got back safe THIS TIME., help him get the help
 he needs.
 
 Sincerely, Michael
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On 3/9/11 6:28 PM, Met. Eric Wichman Escondido e...@meteoritesusa.com
 wrote:
 
  You know... I've read some pretty F'd up things on list, but this one
  takes the F'ing cake Michael B. For crying out loud. Are you serious? I
  believe it's absolutely out of line considering the circumstance. I
  don't say much negative on list, and try to keep it down to a dull roar.
  But this time I can' help it... You've said some pretty hateful things
  Michael. This isn't even a bad joke... WTF?
 
  Regards,
  Eric
 
 
 
 
 
  On 3/9/2011 6:14 PM, Jim Strope wrote:
  Is this some kind of joke? BTWay, your post would have been easir to 
  read if
  the punctuation and capitalization was presented properly.
 
  Jim Strope
  421 Fourth Street
  Glen Dale, WV 26038
 
  http

Re: [meteorite-list] OT transpermia vs. God vs. Science

[GREG LINDH]

  
  Who penned this article is irrelevant.  A lot of attention here on the List 
has been spent on Einstein's religious beliefs and whether he wrote the 
article.  Who cares?  It's easy to go off on tangents in order to avoid the 800 
lbs gorilla in the room.
  The article has flaws, I'm sure, but it raises some interesting points.  It 
makes people think *outside of the box*, as it were.  I think that was it's 
purpose.
  
 
  Greg L.
  
 
 


 From: dr...@emersonhosp.org
 To: rsvp...@hotmail.com; cdtuc...@cox.net; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 15:19:26 +
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT transpermia vs. God vs. Science
 
 Albert Einstein was Jewish, so this was invented or altered.
 David
 
 -Original Message-
 From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com 
 [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Pete Pete
 Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 10:18 AM
 To: cdtuc...@cox.net; meteoritelist meteoritelist
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT transpermia vs. God vs. Science
 
 
 
 
 SNOPES says that this is a bs, invented story:
 
 http://www.snopes.com/religion/einstein.asp
 http://www.snopes.com/religion/einstein.asp
 
 
 
 
  Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 09:56:47 -0500
  From: cdtuc...@cox.net
  To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
  Subject: [meteorite-list] OT transpermia vs. God vs. Science
 
 
  I thought this was interesting enough to share here;
  Just food for thought.
 
   The professor and student are for real!
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
   You'll be surprised who the student is...they'll tell you at the end.
  
  
   Let me explain the problem science has with religion.
  
  
   The atheist professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks 
   one of his new students to stand.
  
   'You're a Christian, aren't you, son?'
  
   'Yes sir,' the student says.
  
   'So you believe in God?'
  
   'Absolutely '
  
   'Is God good?'
  
   'Sure! God's good.'
  
   'Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?'
  
   'Yes'
  
   'Are you good or evil?'
  
   'The Bible says I'm evil.'
  
   The professor grins knowingly. 'Aha! The Bible! He considers for a 
   moment. 'Here's one for you. Let's say there's a sick person over here 
   and you can cure him. You can do it. Would you help him? Would you try?'
  
   'Yes sir, I would.'
  
   'So you're good...!'
  
   'I wouldn't say that.'
  
   'But why not say that? You'd help a sick and maimed person if you could. 
   Most of us would if we could. But God doesn't.'
  
   The student does not answer, so the professor continues. 'He doesn't, 
   does he? My brother was a Christian who died of cancer, even though he 
   prayed to Jesus to heal him. How is this Jesus good? Can you answer that 
   one?'
  
   The student remains silent. 'No, you can't, can you?' the professor says. 
   He takes a sip of water from a glass on his desk to give the student time 
   to relax. 'Let's start again, young fella. Is God good?'
  
   'Er..yes,' the student says.
  
   'Is Satan good?'
  
   The student doesn't hesitate on this one.. 'No.'
  
   'Then where does Satan come from?'
  
   The student falters. 'From God'
  
   'That's right. God made Satan, didn't he? Tell me, son. Is there evil in 
   this world?'
  
   'Yes, sir.'
  
   'Evil's everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything, correct?'
  
   'Yes'
  
   'So who created evil?' The professor continued, 'If God created 
   everything, then God created evil, since evil exists, and according to 
   the principle that our works define who we are, then God is evil.'
  
   Again, the student has no answer. 'Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? 
   Ugliness? All these terrible things, do they exist in this world?'
  
   The student squirms on his feet. 'Yes.'
  
   'So who created them ?'
  
   The student does not answer again, so the professor repeats his question. 
   'Who created them?' There is still no answer. Suddenly the lecturer 
   breaks away to pace in front of the classroom. The class is mesmerized. 
   'Tell me,' he continues onto another student. 'Do you believe in Jesus 
   Christ, son?'
  
   The student's voice betrays him and cracks. 'Yes, professor, I do.'
  
   The old man stops pacing. 'Science says you have five senses you use to 
   identify and observe the world around you. Have you ever seen Jesus?'
  
   'No sir. I've never seen Him.'
  
   'Then tell us if you've ever heard your Jesus?'
  
   'No, sir, I have not.'
  
   'Have you ever felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or smelt your Jesus? 
   Have you ever had any sensory perception of Jesus Christ, or God for that 
   matter?'
  
   'No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't.'
  
   'Yet you still believe in him?'
  
   'Yes'
  
   'According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, 
   science says your God doesn't exist... What do you say to that, son?'
  
   'Nothing,' the student replies.. 'I only have my faith.'
  

Re: [meteorite-list] OT transpermia vs. God vs. Science

[GREG LINDH]

 
  
  Who penned this article is irrelevant. A lot of attention here on the List 
has been spent on Einstein's religious beliefs and whether he wrote the 
article. Who cares? It's easy to go off on tangents in order to avoid the 800 
lbs gorilla in the room.The article has flaws, I'm sure, but it raises some 
interesting points. It makes people think *outside of the box*, as it were. I 
think that was it's purpose.  
 
 
  Greg L.
 
 
 
 



 From: dr...@emersonhosp.org
 To: rsvp...@hotmail.com; cdtuc...@cox.net; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 15:19:26 +
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT transpermia vs. God vs. Science

 Albert Einstein was Jewish, so this was invented or altered.
 David

 -Original Message-
 From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com 
 [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Pete Pete
 Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 10:18 AM
 To: cdtuc...@cox.net; meteoritelist meteoritelist
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT transpermia vs. God vs. Science




 SNOPES says that this is a bs, invented story:

 http://www.snopes.com/religion/einstein.asp
 http://www.snopes.com/religion/einstein.asp



 
  Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 09:56:47 -0500
  From: cdtuc...@cox.net
  To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
  Subject: [meteorite-list] OT transpermia vs. God vs. Science
 
 
  I thought this was interesting enough to share here;
  Just food for thought.
 
   The professor and student are for real!
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
   You'll be surprised who the student is...they'll tell you at the end.
  
  
   Let me explain the problem science has with religion.
  
  
   The atheist professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks 
   one of his new students to stand.
  
   'You're a Christian, aren't you, son?'
  
   'Yes sir,' the student says.
  
   'So you believe in God?'
  
   'Absolutely '
  
   'Is God good?'
  
   'Sure! God's good.'
  
   'Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?'
  
   'Yes'
  
   'Are you good or evil?'
  
   'The Bible says I'm evil.'
  
   The professor grins knowingly. 'Aha! The Bible! He considers for a 
   moment. 'Here's one for you. Let's say there's a sick person over here 
   and you can cure him. You can do it. Would you help him? Would you try?'
  
   'Yes sir, I would.'
  
   'So you're good...!'
  
   'I wouldn't say that.'
  
   'But why not say that? You'd help a sick and maimed person if you could. 
   Most of us would if we could. But God doesn't.'
  
   The student does not answer, so the professor continues. 'He doesn't, 
   does he? My brother was a Christian who died of cancer, even though he 
   prayed to Jesus to heal him. How is this Jesus good? Can you answer that 
   one?'
  
   The student remains silent. 'No, you can't, can you?' the professor says. 
   He takes a sip of water from a glass on his desk to give the student time 
   to relax. 'Let's start again, young fella. Is God good?'
  
   'Er..yes,' the student says.
  
   'Is Satan good?'
  
   The student doesn't hesitate on this one.. 'No.'
  
   'Then where does Satan come from?'
  
   The student falters. 'From God'
  
   'That's right. God made Satan, didn't he? Tell me, son. Is there evil in 
   this world?'
  
   'Yes, sir.'
  
   'Evil's everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything, correct?'
  
   'Yes'
  
   'So who created evil?' The professor continued, 'If God created 
   everything, then God created evil, since evil exists, and according to 
   the principle that our works define who we are, then God is evil.'
  
   Again, the student has no answer. 'Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? 
   Ugliness? All these terrible things, do they exist in this world?'
  
   The student squirms on his feet. 'Yes.'
  
   'So who created them ?'
  
   The student does not answer again, so the professor repeats his question. 
   'Who created them?' There is still no answer. Suddenly the lecturer 
   breaks away to pace in front of the classroom. The class is mesmerized. 
   'Tell me,' he continues onto another student. 'Do you believe in Jesus 
   Christ, son?'
  
   The student's voice betrays him and cracks. 'Yes, professor, I do.'
  
   The old man stops pacing. 'Science says you have five senses you use to 
   identify and observe the world around you. Have you ever seen Jesus?'
  
   'No sir. I've never seen Him.'
  
   'Then tell us if you've ever heard your Jesus?'
  
   'No, sir, I have not.'
  
   'Have you ever felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or smelt your Jesus? 
   Have you ever had any sensory perception of Jesus Christ, or God for that 
   matter?'
  
   'No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't.'
  
   'Yet you still believe in him?'
  
   'Yes'
  
   'According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, 
   science says your God doesn't exist... What do you say to that, son?'
  
   'Nothing,' the student replies.. 

Re: [meteorite-list] Another crazy bidder on ebay

[GREG LINDH]

  An Ebayer bidding on his own stuff.
 
  Wow, there's a shocker.
 
 
  Greg L.
 
 
 


 From: dmerc...@rochester.rr.com
 To: fuj...@mac.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 17:44:32 -0500
 CC: dmerc...@rochester.rr.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another crazy bidder on ebay
 
 The fact that one individual bidder has 0 feedback and that many bids on one 
 item in that span of time, leads me to feel that maybe a form of bid rigging 
 is taken place. At least that's what would catch my eye and put my guard up. 
 Now that the price is where the seller wants it, it would not surprise me 
 that Mr. 0 feedback will not bid again. If I was the high bidder I would 
 retract my bid this way Mr. 0 would be high bidder! I could be wrong on all 
 this but I have seen this game before on several occasions.
 Here is a link to a news source in which an eBay bidder was arrested and 
 charged with bidding on his own auctions because he said they were lower 
 then expected...he even admits creating another account with name to do this 
 bidding rigging!
 
 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1267410/Ebay-seller-faces-fine-bidding-items-raise-prices.html
 
 Sincerely
 Don Merchant
 IMCA #0960
 Founder-Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonders
 http://www.ctreasurescwonders.com/index.html
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com
 To: MeteorList meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 12:46 PM
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Another crazy bidder on ebay
 
 
  http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBidsitem=170585023324
 
  current bid is at $180 for a 2.3g complete oriented Bassikounou H5 
  chondrite
 
  granted Geoff's offering is a pristine example of flight orientation of an 
  OC, but would anybody in their right mind bid $79/g? FWIW, this 'new' guy 
  has 0 feedback.
 
  Gary Fujihara
  Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693)
  105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720
  http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/
  http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html
  (808) 640-9161
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Another crazy bidder on ebay

[GREG LINDH]

  Eric,
 
  My mistake.  I didn't notice that it was Geoff.  Had I noticed, I would not 
have even posted.
 
  
  Greg L.
 
 
 



 Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 16:00:25 -0800
 From: e...@meteoritesusa.com
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another crazy bidder on ebay

 Hey Don, Greg, Did you even bother looking at who's auction this is? Do
 you realize that the Met-List is a PUBLIC forum? Not just in your email
 box...

 Maybe you don't mean to associate a reputable member of this communbity
 with the practices you mention, but your statements can be seriously
 misinterpreted by others. Perhaps showing some thoughtful intelligent
 restraint is a good thing here instead of being overly suspicious by
 pointing out probably completely unrelated circumstances which could
 cause an automatic and mistaken association with one of our communities
 most reputable dealers.

 It's probably just and overly zealous and extremely excited
 inexperienced bidder.

 Don't forget, this auction is for an extremely exquisite, flight
 oriented, rollover lipped, beautifully fusion crusted meteorite, being
 offered by none of than the world famous Geoff Notkin of the Meteorite Men.

 Naaa... That couldn't possibly be the reason it's got such high bids.

 Regards,
 Eric


 On 1/2/2011 2:50 PM, GREG LINDH wrote:
  An Ebayer bidding on his own stuff.
 
  Wow, there's a shocker.
 
 
  Greg L.
 
 
 
 
 
 
  From: dmerc...@rochester.rr.com
  To: fuj...@mac.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
  Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 17:44:32 -0500
  CC: dmerc...@rochester.rr.com
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another crazy bidder on ebay
 
  The fact that one individual bidder has 0 feedback and that many bids on 
  one
  item in that span of time, leads me to feel that maybe a form of bid 
  rigging
  is taken place. At least that's what would catch my eye and put my guard 
  up.
  Now that the price is where the seller wants it, it would not surprise me
  that Mr. 0 feedback will not bid again. If I was the high bidder I would
  retract my bid this way Mr. 0 would be high bidder! I could be wrong on all
  this but I have seen this game before on several occasions.
  Here is a link to a news source in which an eBay bidder was arrested and
  charged with bidding on his own auctions because he said they were lower
  then expected...he even admits creating another account with name to do 
  this
  bidding rigging!
 
  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1267410/Ebay-seller-faces-fine-bidding-items-raise-prices.html
 
  Sincerely
  Don Merchant
  IMCA #0960
  Founder-Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonders
  http://www.ctreasurescwonders.com/index.html
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Gary Fujihara
  To: MeteorList
  Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 12:46 PM
  Subject: [meteorite-list] Another crazy bidder on ebay
 
 
 
  http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBidsitem=170585023324
 
  current bid is at $180 for a 2.3g complete oriented Bassikounou H5
  chondrite
 
  granted Geoff's offering is a pristine example of flight orientation of an
  OC, but would anybody in their right mind bid $79/g? FWIW, this 'new' guy
  has 0 feedback.
 
  Gary Fujihara
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Re: [meteorite-list] Last update on my personal situation

[GREG LINDH]

 
  Very sorry for your loss, Darren.  My thoughts and prayers are with you and 
those who loved your grandmother.

  May the New Year bring you peace.
 
 
  Greg L.

 
 

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 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 00:37:11 -0500
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Last update on my personal situation
 
 I feel obliged to give this last update to my personal issue that I brought up
 last week, then I'll stop with the off-topic posting. My grandmother passed
 away tonight at 11:11 PM.
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[meteorite-list] Christmas.

[GREG LINDH]

 
  To all on the List,
 
  I wish the peace of Christ on all of you at this special time of the year.  
No matter your circumstances, I hope that you're able to find that peace.
  Also, may all who search for their first meteorite have good fortune in the 
coming year, and yeah, it would be great if the first lunar or martian was 
found on U.S. soil at long last.
  Here's looking forward to a great New Year!
 
 
  Greg L. 
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Re: [meteorite-list] List of known Rusters?

[GREG LINDH]

  Hi Ed,
 
  I've treated all my metallic meteorites with Rig.  It is a rust 
preventative used for guns.  Of all the meteorites treated with Rig, none 
have shown any evidence for rust.  I've had them for about 4 yearsnot a 
speck of rust.  I have one Campo that was pretreated by the seller with some 
sort of dark colored supposed protectant, and it has slowly started to rust 
away.  I figure that Campo will be almost completely rusted in another 5 years. 
 I wish the seller had just left it alone, and I would have treated it with 
Rig, and it would not have had any rust on it.
  One problem with Rig.  I don't think it's manufactured anymore.  Too 
badthe stuff REALLY prevents rust, and you can't even tell it's on the 
meteorite.  You just apply a thin coat (it's a type of grease, but disappears 
when applied).  The meteorites are not oily at all after treatment.  Once I run 
out of the stuff, then I'm in the same boat as everyone else.
 
  Regards,
 
  Greg Lindh
 
 


 From: epmaj...@shaw.ca
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 09:28:03 -0800
 Subject: [meteorite-list] List of known Rusters?
 
 Does anyone have a list of known Iron meteorite rusters? The sample 
 of Nantan China I have split into several pieces. I have been using 
 WD40 on the pieces to retard further problems but this does not work 
 all that well. Have to repeat this every few weeks!
 Ed Majden
 Courtenay B.C.
 
 Asteroid Majden 142368 (Thanks to Rob Matson)
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Re: [meteorite-list] List of known Rusters?

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  Hi Tim,
 
  I live in Prescott Valley, AZ.  That definitely helps in preventing rust, I'm 
sure.  All I can say is, the Campos, Sikhote-Alins, Canyon Diablos, 
Muonionalustas, etc. that I've treated with Rig look fine.  Those that 
weren't treated I've given away, except one Campo that I've held onto, just so 
I can keep track of what happens when one has been treated with the black 
substance that the dealers put on.  I have to clean the area beneath that Campo 
just about every weeklittle chips keep falling off, revealing a rusty 
interior.
 
  Regards,
 
  Greg L.
 



 From: midwestmet...@earthlink.net
 To: gee...@msn.com; epmaj...@shaw.ca
 CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] List of known Rusters?
 Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 23:33:40 -0600

 Hi Greg,

 Please tell us where you live, is it humid where you live?

 Best Regards,
 Tim Heitz






 - Original Message -
 From: GREG LINDH 
 To: 
 Cc: meteorite-list 
 Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 8:59 PM
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] List of known Rusters?


 
  Hi Ed,
 
  I've treated all my metallic meteorites with Rig. It is a rust
  preventative used for guns. Of all the meteorites treated with Rig,
  none have shown any evidence for rust. I've had them for about 4
  yearsnot a speck of rust. I have one Campo that was pretreated by the
  seller with some sort of dark colored supposed protectant, and it has
  slowly started to rust away. I figure that Campo will be almost
  completely rusted in another 5 years. I wish the seller had just left it
  alone, and I would have treated it with Rig, and it would not have had
  any rust on it.
  One problem with Rig. I don't think it's manufactured anymore. Too
  badthe stuff REALLY prevents rust, and you can't even tell it's on the
  meteorite. You just apply a thin coat (it's a type of grease, but
  disappears when applied). The meteorites are not oily at all after
  treatment. Once I run out of the stuff, then I'm in the same boat as
  everyone else.
 
  Regards,
 
  Greg Lindh
 
 
 
 
  From: epmaj...@shaw.ca
  To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
  Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 09:28:03 -0800
  Subject: [meteorite-list] List of known Rusters?
 
  Does anyone have a list of known Iron meteorite rusters? The sample
  of Nantan China I have split into several pieces. I have been using
  WD40 on the pieces to retard further problems but this does not work
  all that well. Have to repeat this every few weeks!
  Ed Majden
  Courtenay B.C.
 
  Asteroid Majden 142368 (Thanks to Rob Matson)
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Re: [meteorite-list] OFF-LIST Re: List of known Rusters?

[GREG LINDH]

  Thanks Ed,
 
  I'll have to stock up on it.  I was told by several local gun shops that it 
was no longer produced.  I thought I did a Google search on it, but I guess I 
didn't.  The main thing I want it for is metal meteorites.  I can use various 
other products on my weapons.
  Thanks again, Ed.
 
  Regards,
 
  Greg L.
 
 



 From: edeck...@triad.rr.com
 To: gee...@msn.com
 Subject: OFF-LIST Re: [meteorite-list] List of known Rusters?
 Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 22:11:03 -0500


 Greg - try this link for RIG...

 http://www.trackofthewolf.com/categories/partdetail.aspx?catid=6subid=47styleid=133partnum=rig-12AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1as=1

 They say it is in stock.

 Ed Deckert (Not the Ed you were replying to.)


 - Original Message -
 From: GREG LINDH 
 To: 
 Cc: meteorite-list 
 Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 9:59 PM
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] List of known Rusters?


 
  Hi Ed,
 
  I've treated all my metallic meteorites with Rig. It is a rust
  preventative used for guns. Of all the meteorites treated with Rig,
  none have shown any evidence for rust. I've had them for about 4
  yearsnot a speck of rust. I have one Campo that was pretreated by the
  seller with some sort of dark colored supposed protectant, and it has
  slowly started to rust away. I figure that Campo will be almost
  completely rusted in another 5 years. I wish the seller had just left it
  alone, and I would have treated it with Rig, and it would not have had
  any rust on it.
  One problem with Rig. I don't think it's manufactured anymore. Too
  badthe stuff REALLY prevents rust, and you can't even tell it's on the
  meteorite. You just apply a thin coat (it's a type of grease, but
  disappears when applied). The meteorites are not oily at all after
  treatment. Once I run out of the stuff, then I'm in the same boat as
  everyone else.
 
  Regards,
 
  Greg Lindh
 
 
 
 
  From: epmaj...@shaw.ca
  To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
  Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 09:28:03 -0800
  Subject: [meteorite-list] List of known Rusters?
 
  Does anyone have a list of known Iron meteorite rusters? The sample
  of Nantan China I have split into several pieces. I have been using
  WD40 on the pieces to retard further problems but this does not work
  all that well. Have to repeat this every few weeks!
  Ed Majden
  Courtenay B.C.
 
  Asteroid Majden 142368 (Thanks to Rob Matson)
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[meteorite-list] Good wishes.

[GREG LINDH]

 
  Happy Thanksgiving to all here on the List who live in the U.S.  We have much 
to be thankful for even during this tough time in our economy.  We live in a 
wonderful land, and things will turn around and get better, I'm sure.  I wish 
the best for everyone here and hope that you enjoy family, friends, food, and 
much more
  To those who live outside the U.S., I also hope that this email finds you in 
good spirits.
 
  Have a great day,
 
  Greg L. 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Arizona strewnfields?

[GREG LINDH]

  Hi John,
 
  As one who has yet to find his first meteorite, perhaps I'm not really 
qualified to lend my voice here, but I'll take the chance.  I found a website 
that lists several Arizona falls.  It follows:
 
  
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/science/kring/epo_web/arizona_meteorites/index.html
 
  I live in Prescott Valley, AZright in the center of the state and in the 
high desert.  Eric is right, the Meteor Crater near Winslow is a must see.  I 
have a season pass and go there about once a month.  It's a place that I go to 
unstess.  I love it.
  The Holbrook Fall area is just up the road from the crater, but you're right, 
this time of year can be a bit cold there.  I think Franconia, which is near 
Kingman is not cold, so you might consider that.
  I have all the equipment, including a Gold Bug II and a magnet stick, etc., 
but I don't have a four wheel drive vehicle, so that pretty much puts a damper 
on serious hunting.  I was going to purchase a four wheeler, but the economy 
put a torpedo into that dream.  Maybe in the future.
  Good luck in your quest.  I wish you the best of luck and hope to hear of 
your first findthat would be great.
 
  Greg L.
 
 



 Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 16:00:20 -0600
 From: p...@pict.co.uk
 To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Arizona strewnfields?

 Hi List,

 I will be staying for a few months near Phoenix (Apache Junction) from
 December, and I am really interested in trying to find my first meteorite.
 I'll have a BMW R1100GS and Jeep Liberty available for transport, and a
 degree in geology and a Gold Bug 2 to aid detection, but I am sort of
 stumped as to where to go and look. As far as I can tell the strewn fields
 I know about (Franconia, Gold Basin, Holbrook) are all in high desert and
 probably under white stuff. Can anyone suggest any locations within reach
 where snow won't be an issue and a novice might have a reasonable chance
 of success? I was also wondering whether there are any meteorite
 collections in the area that I could visit? Thanks in advance for any
 advice.

 Kind regards,
 John


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Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of Day - November 23, 2010

[GREG LINDH]

  To my non-expert eye that slice looks almost lunar.  It reminds me of a slice 
of lunar that Greg Hupe has.  Is it just me, or does it resemble a lunar?
 
 
  Greg Lindh
 
 


 Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 19:28:44 -0800
 From: mich...@rocksfromspace.org
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of Day - November 23, 2010
 
 http://www.rocksfromspace.org/November_23_2010.html
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Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of Day - November 23, 2010

[GREG LINDH]

  To all,
 
  Forget my first message. I was looking at the large slice in the background, 
not the small piece being held and examined. The large piece is a slice of Greg 
Hupe's lunar, if I'm not mistaken.
 
 
  Greg L.
 
 



 Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 19:28:44 -0800
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 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of Day - November 23, 2010

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Re: [meteorite-list] Barringer Meteor Crater

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  Patrick,
 
  Thanks so much for sharing those photos.  I didn't realize that there was a 
time when one could hike down to the floor of the crater.  I'm so jealous!  I 
love the crater.  I live about 2 hours away from it and I get an annual pass, 
as I go there about once a month.  It's my favorite place to go when I need to 
unstress and just chill out.  These past two years, I've practically lived 
there.  My favorite place is the high perch up on the hill to the left of the 
visitors center.  I go up there, sit on my favorite boulder, tilt my head back 
and just bask in the sun.  Oh yeah, I also look down into that great cosmic 
hole in the ground.  Sometimes, I listen to my IPod, but no matter what, I 
*always* enjoy myself, and come away more grounded and more relaxed.  We could 
all use more of that these days.
  Thanks again, Patrick.
 
  Greg Lindh
 
 
 


 From: p...@wirelessbeehive.com
 Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 22:24:37 -0700
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Barringer Meteor Crater
 
 Going through some old slides I came across several I shot while exploring 
 Arizona's Meteor Crater in 1973.
 
 I've heard that these days folks are not allowed to climb down into the 
 crater but back then (I'm guessing before lawyers got involved) visitors were 
 welcome to climb all over the thing so some of my shot were taken from the 
 bottom looking up. 
 
 http://users.wirelessbeehive.com/~paw/MCAPR73.HTML 
 
 patrick
 N Utah
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Re: [meteorite-list] the end,it has to be this time

[GREG LINDH]

Hello Steve,

You know, I've been a great defender of you in the past. I've come to your 
defense on more than one occasion, when members of the List have been pretty 
unkind to you.
Having said that, it seems to me that your leaving the meteorite world 
declarations have gotten to be comical. Really, either leave or don't leave. 
Geez, enough already!
If you're REALLY serious this time, I wish you the best.

Greg Lindh



 Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 16:47:41 -0700
 From: stevenarnold60...@yahoo.com
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] the end,it has to be this time
 
 Good evening list.I have really been thinking it over this time long and 
 hard,and I have decided that this is the time to leave the meteorite world 
 once 
 and for all.The passion is gone.I cannot collect the way I want to and it is 
 just getting way to expensive.Even tho I am working and most everything else 
 in 
 my world is going good,knock on wood,it is the right time.11 years,many great 
 people,some not so great,and thousands of meteorites.I just have lost that 
 luvin, feeling.I will be able to fall back on my first love,coin 
 collecting.As 
 for my current sale,please feel free to make a reasonable offer and I know I 
 will probably make it a good one for you.I have had many world class pieces 
 and 
 most have found great homes. My other collection has 3 offers that I am 
 probably 
 going to sell to.So all is going and soon there will not even be a trace a 
 meteorite ever existed in this home.I will hang onto some of emails from 
 certain 
 listee's the others I will delete.Its been a blast,but this time it is for 
 real.Good luck to everyone and gos bless you all and this great hobby.
 Steve R.Arnold, Chicago!
 http://Chicagometeorites.com/
 ebay:Illinoismeteorites 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Newcomers and the Meteorite world (was STOLEN meteorites - from Allen Shaw)

[GREG LINDH]

 
  Hi Anne,
 
  I'm not a member, but I've got to say, Al is definitely one of the good 
guys on this List.  Wish more were like him.
 
  Greg L.
 
 
 


 From: impact...@aol.com
 Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 16:17:08 -0400
 To: alm...@kconline.com; swsch...@astrum.com; 
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Newcomers and the Meteorite world (was STOLEN 
 meteorites - from Allen Shaw)
 
 Al, and all
 
 When we got to well over 100 members in all corners of the globe, we had to 
 organize, and become a legal entity. There was no choice there. And yes, 
 that meant a Code of Ethics, ByLaws, Yearly Elections, but also a website, 
 and 
 the Encyclopedia of Meteorites,etc, and yes that also meant $20 a year 
 dues, to pay expenses, and so we could have funds to keep on growing and 
 helping newcomers. And we now have 339 members and applications coming in 
 everyday..
 
 Al!! You are more than welcome to come back in the Association, and I am 
 sure members would line up to recommend you! I'll be at the head of the line.
 
 As for a group of dealers that have some sort of stamp of approval and 
 self governing. Isn't it how the IMCA started some 10 years ago? And you 
 know 
 what happened when it grew! See paragraph above. Are you thinking about 
 doing that all over again? 
 
 Anne M. Black
 _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) 
 _impact...@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) 
 Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
 _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) 
 
 
 In a message dated 8/15/2010 1:22:29 PM Mountain Daylight Time, 
 alm...@kconline.com writes:
 Hi Scott and all,
 
 There are quite a few good dealers who are not IMCA members. In fact some 
 of 
 the larger, most successful dealers are not. So don't cut yourself off from 
 those long time decent dealers. I'd be glad to compose a list for you. I 
 belonged at first but decided not to renew when they became official with 
 dues and so forth. I believe as a newer person collecting meteorites it 
 would be a better choice for your protection.
 
 Anne has encouraged me to join again and I probably should. Don't know if I 
 could find two people to recommend me though :-)
 
 Perhaps we should have a remaining group of dealers that have some sort of 
 stamp of approval and self governing but then in the beginning that is how 
 things worked. Since we now seem to get a new dealer of meteorites about 
 every month or two, not everyone knows everyone else like in the good old 
 days.
 
 --AL Mitterling
 
 Mitterling Meteorites
 
 Mitterling.com
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Scott Schulz swsch...@astrum.com
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 12:13 PM
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] STOLEN meteorites - from Allen Shaw
 
 
  On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Barry Hughes bhug...@sneezy.com wrote:
  I am in the crazy newcomer mode of buying. My wife found a slice in a
  small box in the garbage yesterday, because she wanted the box for
  Christmas gifts. I had thrown it away.
 
  I am relieved to hear that there are others out there with crazy
  newcomer disease. I caught it about a week ago, and it has hit hard.
 
  On the other hand, it is sad to see that even this hobby has it's
  share of dishonorable folks. Sad. But I am glad to see that there
  exists an organization like the IMCA. I know that logo is the first
  thing I look for once an auction/sale notice catches my eye.
 
  SwS 
 
 
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[meteorite-list] Perseids.

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  I stayed up all night to watch the Perseids.  I laid back on a chaise lounge, 
put my IPod on, and looked up.  I live in Prescott Valley AZ. which is about 
5100 feet elevation, so the sky was dark and crystal clear.  Well, it's now 
5:00 in the morning and the eastern sky is starting to lighten, so I came in. I 
counted a total of 183 meteors. Some were quite brilliant. Also a number of 
satellites. Nice night.
 
  Greg L. 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Scientist Warns Massive Asteroid Could Hit Earth in 2182

[GREG LINDH]

  
  Hi Greg,
 
  I really suck at math, even so, I believe that would be 172 years from now, 
not 72, so you definitely won't be around.  
 
 
 
  Greg
 
 


 From: stanleygr...@hotmail.com
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 15:23:46 -0700
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Scientist Warns Massive Asteroid Could Hit Earth in 
 2182


 Wow - that's only 72 years from now... Don't think I'll be around

 Greg S.


 http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/07/28/massive-asteroid-hit-earth-warn-scientists/?test=faces



 Scientist Warns Massive Asteroid Could Hit Earth in 2182

 A large asteroid in space that has a remote chance of slamming into the Earth 
 would be most likely hit in 2182, if it crashed into our planet at all, a new 
 study suggests.

 The asteroid, called 1999 RQ36, has about a 1-in-1,000 chance of actually 
 hitting the Earth, but half of that risk corresponds to potential impacts in 
 the year 2182, said study co-author María Eugenia Sansaturio of the 
 Universidad de Valladolid in Spain.

 Sansaturio and her colleagues used mathematical models to determine the risk 
 of asteroid 1999 RQ36 impacting the Earth through the year 2200. They found 
 two potential opportunities for the asteroid to hit Earth in 2182.

 The research is detailed in the science journal Icarus.

 The asteroid was discovered in 1999 and is about 1,837 feet (560 meters) 
 across. A space rock this size could cause widespread devastation at an 
 impact site in the remote chance that it hit Earth, according to a recent 
 report by the National Academy of Sciences.


 Scientists have tracked asteroid 1999 RQ36's orbit through 290 optical 
 observations and 13 radar surveys, but there is still some uncertainty 
 because of the gentle push it receives from the so-called Yarkovsky effect, 
 researchers said.

 The Yarkovsky effect, named after the Russian engineer I.O. Yarkovsky who 
 proposed it around 1900, describes how an asteroid gains momentum from 
 thermal radiation that it emits from its night side. Over hundreds of years, 
 the effect's influence on an asteroid's orbit could be substantial.

 Sansaturio and her colleagues found that through 2060, the chances of Earth 
 impacts from 1999 RQ36 are remote, but the odds increase by a magnitude of 
 four by 2080 as the asteroid's orbit brings it closer to the Earth.

 The odds of impact then dip as the asteroid would move away, and rise in 2162 
 and 2182, when it swings back near Earth, the researchers found. It's a 
 tricky orbital dance that makes it difficult to pin down the odds of impact, 
 they said.

 The consequence of this complex dynamic is not just the likelihood of a 
 comparatively large impact, but also that a realistic deflection procedure 
 (path deviation) could only be made before the impact in 2080, and more 
 easily, before 2060, Sansaturio said in a statement.

 After 2080, she added, it would be more difficult to deflect the asteroid.

 If this object had been discovered after 2080, the deflection would require 
 a technology that is not currently available, Sansaturio said. Therefore, 
 this example suggests that impact monitoring, which up to date does not cover 
 more than 80 or 100 years, may need to encompass more than one century.

 By expanding the timeframe for potential impacts, researchers would 
 potentially identify the most threatening space rocks with enough time to 
 mount deflection campaigns that are both technologically and financially 
 feasible, Sansaturio said.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Its official! NWA 6291 The King ofAngritesforsale - AD

[GREG LINDH]

 
Hi Sterling,
 
  On a friendly note, I must say that I look forward to your posts.  While I do 
learn from them, much of what you say goes above my headI'm not a 
scientist.  I have very strong beliefs/opinions, and often these can get me 
into hot water on the List.  But, that doesn't mean that I don't appreciate the 
knowledge that many of you have.
 
  With respect,
 
 
  Greg Lindh
 



 From: sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net
 To: photoph...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 00:28:51 -0500
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Its official! NWA 6291 The King 
 ofAngritesforsale - AD

 Actually, I was not addressing the specific question
 of the origin of this angrite (or any angrite), but the
 more general problem of the universal assumption
 that every sizeable body in the solar system currently
 resides at the same address where it accreted originally.
 If things move around, it complicates the picture
 considerably.

 I used Vesta as an example of a body that can't have
 accreted in place. If there is only enough available iron
 at 1.5 AU for Mars to accumulate a core that is only
 8% of its volume), how could Vesta, at 2.35 AU, have
 accumulated enough iron for a core 17.5% of its
 volume, or 56% of its original, uncratered diameter?
 The Earth has a core of 17% of its volume, or just a
 hair less than Vesta. Mercury has a core that's 43%
 of its volume. Both the Earth and Mercury have
 acquired part-corers from encounters with impactors
 though.

 Iron is a moderately refractory element. It will be
 vaporized in the solar nebula only relatively close
 to the Sun. The temperature will drop by the square
 of the distance out in the protoplanetary disc and
 iron will soon condense into the materials from
 which grains will form, get sticky, form particles,
 accrete, etc.

 How you gonna get that much iron vaporized out at
 2.35 AU? The answer to that question is the same one
 I gave before: No Way. And for the same reason.

 If you want to know what should accrete out there,
 you can compare Vesta to Ceres. Ceres is in essentially
 the same region as Vesta, at 2.7 AU compared to
 Vesta's 2.35. AU. Ceres seems to have no core at all,
 although Ceres is certainly large enough to have
 differentiated. Ceres likely did accrete in place from
 rock and ice, as it is the largest body in the asteroid
 zone, six times the volume of the original, uncratered
 Vesta.

 We can identify Lunar and Martian meteorites only
 because we have composition data gathered by humans
 and robots. That's the only reason. Without a sample
 or a set of readings from Mercury, or Venus, or anywhere,
 the means of reasonable proof are absent.

 When the Dawn mission gets to Vesta, we will likely
 be able to nail down the HED identification with that
 body. I quote the mission parameters: This mission
 was designed to verify the basaltic nature of Vesta
 inferred both from its reflectance spectrum and from
 the composition of the howardite, eucrite and diogenite
 meteorites believed to have originated on Vesta.

 Failure to find the expected HED terrain on Vesta would
 be interesting. Dawn will be the first test of the entire
 effort to reason out parent bodies. It will provide evidence
 where they has mostly been speculation.

 The paper you cite (by Chambers) is a good summary
 of the problems in planetary formation theory. There
 are lots of those. I used Vesta as an example because
 it's an obvious example of the sort of thing he discusses
 in the section on planetary embryos. Vesta would be
 at the smallest end of their size range -- not too hard
 to toss around.

 Until there is evidence enough to settle the question, it
 remains speculation. we've had definitions of Science and
 of Faith on the List recently. Let me add another one more:
 Speculation. Speculation is what you do while you're
 waiting for evidence, because there isn't enough evidence
 yet for proof.


 Sterling K. Webb
 ---
 - Original Message -
 From: Shawn Alan 
 To: 
 Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 10:33 PM
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Its official! NWA 6291 The King
 ofAngritesforsale - AD


 Hello Sterling and Listers,

 Sterling, thank you for your input about Angrites might have a
 connection with Mercury by saying Vesta quote un quote..

 Vesta did not .form where it is. No Way.

 Know I am kinda confused with Vesta and your connection or lack of
 connection to this topic, but I am going to make an educated guess of
 why you might have suggested Vesta in the first place.

 This whole topic pulls from Angrites and the possible connections they
 might have with Mercury. I am going to zero in on one meteorite, NWA
 2999 because it seems that there has been more research done on this
 meteorite compared to other Angrites.

 One observation of why some scientist feel that NWA 2999 might

Re: [meteorite-list] Its official! NWA 6291 The King of Angrites for sale -...

[GREG LINDH]

 
Hello Greg,
 
  I've always loved science, but I do think that some in the scientific 
community tend to stretch things a bit thin sometimes.  All kinds of theories 
about all kinds of things are thrown around with little to support them.  This 
reminds me of a quote by Mark Twain.  The quote follows:
 
  There is something fascinating about science.  One gets such wholesale 
returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact.
 
  Something to think about
 
 
  Greg Lindh
 
 
 

 From: gmh...@htn.net
 To: dr...@emersonhosp.org
 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 20:51:24 -0400
 CC: jgross...@usgs.gov; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Its official! NWA 6291 The King of Angrites 
 for sale -...
 
 Hello everyone,
 
 Isn't 'science' just that, Science... Ever evolving as ground truth 
 comes in? Without open minds and hard work by many dedicated 
 individuals, 'science' would not get very far, especially in the world 
 of meteortitics! Much of the initial work and/or thoughts are educated 
 suggestions which are meant to excite others in rational and sometimes 
 heated discussions, no matter what scientific focus is being 
 discussed. I won't even bring up the evolution talks of the past...
 
 Best Regards,
 Greg Hupe
 
 On Jul 22, 2010, at 8:00 AM, Rose, David MD dr...@emersonhosp.org 
 wrote:
 
 I agree with Jeff completely. Same thing happens in Medicine. And 
 even when the data is peer reviewed, that doesn't mean that it is 
 rock solid truth. It's a process of continual evaluation and 
 refinement.

 David

 -Original Message-
 From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite- 
 list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Grossman
 Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 7:40 AM
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Its official! NWA 6291 The King of 
 Angrites for sale -...

 Yikes! Abstracts to meetings are not peer reviewed!

 jeff


 On 7/21/2010 10:05 PM, Adam Hupe wrote:
 Hi Jason and List,

 I do not refute Melinda Hutson's article that was never peer 
 reviewed and
 contains several errors according to the classifying scientists. I 
 asked
 scientists about the article and they stated, it is obvious that 
 she didn't read
 the original peer reviewed abstract carefully, even mistaking the 
 type of
 petrology that was discussed using formulas that simply do not 
 apply to the
 texture NWA 2999 exhibits.

 There were several prestigious coauthors listed in the original 
 paper; Unique
 Angrite NWA 2999: The Case For Samples From Mercury.

 Who am I to argue with the world's best? I will keep an open mind 
 and hope for
 some ground truth that will hopefully settle it once and for all. 
 I think the
 authors were making a point of having an open mind and that the 
 subject should
 be debated possibly stimulated more scientific interest in 
 Angrites. It took a
 long time to win over the scientific community that some of these 
 meteorites
 were actually from Mars. It was debated to death and now nobody 
 argues about
 the Shergottite parent body any more.

 Best Regards,

 Adam
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Re: [meteorite-list] Its official! NWA 6291 The King ofAngrites for sale -...

[GREG LINDH]

Hi Eric,
 
  I don't want to get drawn into another long debate, but I'd like to make a 
couple of observations.  You wrote: 
 
  Funny, I never realized there was proof of what faith believes.
--  
 
  Well Eric, by definition, faith doesn't require proof, but often times 
matters of faith have quite a bit of evidence (a type of proof) to support 
them.  I could give examples, but I would be wrong to bring them up on this 
List, and if I did I would be chastised by most of the members here.
 
  In your email, you not only accuse faith of not having any proofs, but you 
also say that it is only made up of, conjecture and subjective interpretation 
of observation.
 
  Well Eric, to be honest, I find that much of today's science, and the science 
of the past, is also made up of much conjecture and subjective interpretation 
of observation.  It's not supposed to be like this, but much of science has a 
very religious feel to it.  Science is supposed to examine data, evidence and 
facts, and then follow that data, evidence, facts wherever they may lead.  
Scientists are supposed to have completely open minds.  They are not supposed 
to have *any agendas*.  Unfortunately, all too many scientists do have agendas 
(presuppositions).  They view the evidence through their own biased lenses.  
They view the evidence through their own type of faith lense.
 
  Mark wrote the following to you, science has a lot more 'faith' to it than 
most people realise!
 
  I agree with him, and I think Mark Twain would also agree with him.
 
 
  With respect,
 
  Greg Lindh 
 
 
 
 
 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 01:00:40 -0700
 From: e...@meteoritesusa.com
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Its official! NWA 6291 The King ofAngrites 
 for sale -...
 
 Funny, I never realized there was proof of what faith believes. Only 
 conjecture and subjective interpretation of observation.
 
 Eric
 
 
 On 7/23/2010 12:52 AM, Mark Ford wrote:
 Good quote.

 I also like:

 Science is almost the same as faith, but just sometimes, once in a
 while, the level of required proof is taken up a notch

 Mark


 -Original Message-
 From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
 [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of GREG
 LINDH
 Sent: 23 July 2010 04:31
 To: gmh...@htn.net
 Cc: meteorite-list
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Its official! NWA 6291 The King
 ofAngrites for sale -...



 Hello Greg,

 I've always loved science, but I do think that some in the scientific
 community tend to stretch things a bit thin sometimes. All kinds of
 theories about all kinds of things are thrown around with little to
 support them. This reminds me of a quote by Mark Twain. The quote
 follows:

 There is something fascinating about science. One gets such
 wholesale returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of
 fact.

 Something to think about


 Greg Lindh




 
 From: gmh...@htn.net
 To: dr...@emersonhosp.org
 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 20:51:24 -0400
 CC: jgross...@usgs.gov; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Its official! NWA 6291 The King of
 
 Angrites for sale -...
 
 Hello everyone,

 Isn't 'science' just that, Science... Ever evolving as ground truth
 comes in? Without open minds and hard work by many dedicated
 individuals, 'science' would not get very far, especially in the world
 
 
 of meteortitics! Much of the initial work and/or thoughts are educated
 
 
 suggestions which are meant to excite others in rational and sometimes
 
 
 heated discussions, no matter what scientific focus is being
 discussed. I won't even bring up the evolution talks of the past...

 Best Regards,
 Greg Hupe

 On Jul 22, 2010, at 8:00 AM, Rose, David MDdr...@emersonhosp.org
 wrote:

 
 I agree with Jeff completely. Same thing happens in Medicine. And
 even when the data is peer reviewed, that doesn't mean that it is
 rock solid truth. It's a process of continual evaluation and
 refinement.

 David

 -Original Message-
 From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-
 list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Grossman
 Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 7:40 AM
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Its official! NWA 6291 The King of
 Angrites for sale -...

 Yikes! Abstracts to meetings are not peer reviewed!

 jeff


 On 7/21/2010 10:05 PM, Adam Hupe wrote:
 
 Hi Jason and List,

 I do not refute Melinda Hutson's article that was never peer
 reviewed and
 contains several errors according to the classifying scientists. I
 asked
 scientists about the article and they stated, it is obvious that
 she didn't read
 the original peer reviewed abstract carefully, even mistaking the
 type of
 petrology that was discussed using formulas that simply do not
 apply to the
 texture NWA 2999 exhibits.

 There were several prestigious

Re: [meteorite-list] Its official! NWA 6291 The King ofAngrites for sale -...

[GREG LINDH]

 
  Tom,
 
  I'd love to give a reasoned, cogent response to your post because it really 
should be answered, but I'm afraid that I may be terminated from the list if I 
carry this on any further.
 
  So, have a great day.
 
 
  Greg Lindh
 
 



 From: starsinthed...@aol.com
 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 22:33:21 -0400
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Its official! NWA 6291 The King ofAngrites 
 for sale -...

 Faith is the action of making your self accept some thing you know not to
 be true. Other wise it is just learning.

 How did we get on this nonsense again?

 Tom

 In a message dated 7/23/2010 8:22:53 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
 gee...@msn.com writes:


 Hi Eric,

 I don't want to get drawn into another long debate, but I'd like to make a
 couple of observations. You wrote:

 Funny, I never realized there was proof of what faith believes.
 --

 Well Eric, by definition, faith doesn't require proof, but often times
 matters of faith have quite a bit of evidence (a type of proof) to support
 them. I could give examples, but I would be wrong to bring them up on this
 List, and if I did I would be chastised by most of the members here.

 In your email, you not only accuse faith of not having any proofs, but you
 also say that it is only made up of, conjecture and subjective
 interpretation of observation.

 Well Eric, to be honest, I find that much of today's science, and the
 science of the past, is also made up of much conjecture and subjective
 interpretation of observation. It's not supposed to be like this, but much of
 science has a very religious feel to it. Science is supposed to examine
 data, evidence and facts, and then follow that data, evidence, facts wherever
 they may lead. Scientists are supposed to have completely open minds. They
 are not supposed to have *any agendas*. Unfortunately, all too many
 scientists do have agendas (presuppositions). They view the evidence through
 their own biased lenses. They view the evidence through their own type of
 faith lense.

 Mark wrote the following to you, science has a lot more 'faith' to it
 than most people realise!

 I agree with him, and I think Mark Twain would also agree with him.


 With respect,

 Greg Lindh




 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 01:00:40 -0700
 From: e...@meteoritesusa.com
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Its official! NWA 6291 The King
 ofAngrites for sale -...

 Funny, I never realized there was proof of what faith believes. Only
 conjecture and subjective interpretation of observation.

 Eric


 On 7/23/2010 12:52 AM, Mark Ford wrote:
 Good quote.

 I also like:

 Science is almost the same as faith, but just sometimes, once in a
 while, the level of required proof is taken up a notch

 Mark


 -Original Message-
 From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
 [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of GREG
 LINDH
 Sent: 23 July 2010 04:31
 To: gmh...@htn.net
 Cc: meteorite-list
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Its official! NWA 6291 The King
 ofAngrites for sale -...



 Hello Greg,

 I've always loved science, but I do think that some in the scientific
 community tend to stretch things a bit thin sometimes. All kinds of
 theories about all kinds of things are thrown around with little to
 support them. This reminds me of a quote by Mark Twain. The quote
 follows:

 There is something fascinating about science. One gets such
 wholesale returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of
 fact.

 Something to think about


 Greg Lindh





 From: gmh...@htn.net
 To: dr...@emersonhosp.org
 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 20:51:24 -0400
 CC: jgross...@usgs.gov; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Its official! NWA 6291 The King of

 Angrites for sale -...

 Hello everyone,

 Isn't 'science' just that, Science... Ever evolving as ground truth
 comes in? Without open minds and hard work by many dedicated
 individuals, 'science' would not get very far, especially in the world


 of meteortitics! Much of the initial work and/or thoughts are educated


 suggestions which are meant to excite others in rational and sometimes


 heated discussions, no matter what scientific focus is being
 discussed. I won't even bring up the evolution talks of the past...

 Best Regards,
 Greg Hupe

 On Jul 22, 2010, at 8:00 AM, Rose, David MD
 wrote:


 I agree with Jeff completely. Same thing happens in Medicine. And
 even when the data is peer reviewed, that doesn't mean that it is
 rock solid truth. It's a process of continual evaluation and
 refinement.

 David

 -Original Message-
 From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-
 list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Grossman
 Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 7:40 AM
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com

Re: [meteorite-list] Its official! NWA 6291 The King ofAngritesfor sale -...

[GREG LINDH]

 
  Yup, the answer here was obvious.  I just felt that I would leave it to 
someone else to point that out.  I get kind of tired of playing the bad guy, 
especially cuz I'm not a bad guy.
 
  Again, with respect,
 
 
  Greg Lindh  
 



 From: ba...@chorus.net
 To: starsinthed...@aol.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 22:46:24 -0500
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Its official! NWA 6291 The King ofAngritesfor 
 sale -...

 VpWRONGFaith is something that one accepts as the TRUTH or
 reality, but they can not PROVE it empirically.

 Kirk..:-)
 - Original Message -
 From: 
 To: 
 Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 9:33 PM
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Its official! NWA 6291 The King
 ofAngritesfor sale -...


 Faith is the action of making your self accept some thing you know not to
 be true. Other wise it is just learning.

 How did we get on this nonsense again?

 Tom

 In a message dated 7/23/2010 8:22:53 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
 gee...@msn.com writes:


 Hi Eric,

 I don't want to get drawn into another long debate, but I'd like to make
 a
 couple of observations. You wrote:

 Funny, I never realized there was proof of what faith believes.
 --

 Well Eric, by definition, faith doesn't require proof, but often times
 matters of faith have quite a bit of evidence (a type of proof) to support
 them. I could give examples, but I would be wrong to bring them up on
 this
 List, and if I did I would be chastised by most of the members here.

 In your email, you not only accuse faith of not having any proofs, but
 you
 also say that it is only made up of, conjecture and subjective
 interpretation of observation.

 Well Eric, to be honest, I find that much of today's science, and the
 science of the past, is also made up of much conjecture and subjective
 interpretation of observation. It's not supposed to be like this, but
 much of
 science has a very religious feel to it. Science is supposed to examine
 data, evidence and facts, and then follow that data, evidence, facts
 wherever
 they may lead. Scientists are supposed to have completely open minds.
 They
 are not supposed to have *any agendas*. Unfortunately, all too many
 scientists do have agendas (presuppositions). They view the evidence
 through
 their own biased lenses. They view the evidence through their own type
 of
 faith lense.

 Mark wrote the following to you, science has a lot more 'faith' to it
 than most people realise!

 I agree with him, and I think Mark Twain would also agree with him.


 With respect,

 Greg Lindh




 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 01:00:40 -0700
 From: e...@meteoritesusa.com
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Its official! NWA 6291 The King
 ofAngrites for sale -...

 Funny, I never realized there was proof of what faith believes. Only
 conjecture and subjective interpretation of observation.

 Eric


 On 7/23/2010 12:52 AM, Mark Ford wrote:
 Good quote.

 I also like:

 Science is almost the same as faith, but just sometimes, once in a
 while, the level of required proof is taken up a notch

 Mark


 -Original Message-
 From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
 [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of GREG
 LINDH
 Sent: 23 July 2010 04:31
 To: gmh...@htn.net
 Cc: meteorite-list
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Its official! NWA 6291 The King
 ofAngrites for sale -...



 Hello Greg,

 I've always loved science, but I do think that some in the scientific
 community tend to stretch things a bit thin sometimes. All kinds of
 theories about all kinds of things are thrown around with little to
 support them. This reminds me of a quote by Mark Twain. The quote
 follows:

 There is something fascinating about science. One gets such
 wholesale returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of
 fact.

 Something to think about


 Greg Lindh





 From: gmh...@htn.net
 To: dr...@emersonhosp.org
 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 20:51:24 -0400
 CC: jgross...@usgs.gov; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Its official! NWA 6291 The King of

 Angrites for sale -...

 Hello everyone,

 Isn't 'science' just that, Science... Ever evolving as ground truth
 comes in? Without open minds and hard work by many dedicated
 individuals, 'science' would not get very far, especially in the world


 of meteortitics! Much of the initial work and/or thoughts are educated


 suggestions which are meant to excite others in rational and sometimes


 heated discussions, no matter what scientific focus is being
 discussed. I won't even bring up the evolution talks of the past...

 Best Regards,
 Greg Hupe

 On Jul 22, 2010, at 8:00 AM, Rose, David MD
 wrote:


 I agree with Jeff completely. Same thing happens in Medicine. And
 even when the data is peer reviewed, that doesn't mean

Re: [meteorite-list] Springwater 52 kilo main mass

[GREG LINDH]

 
  Congratulations on another great find, Robert.  You've had some wonderful 
adventures, but this one has to rank up near the top.  
 
  Your neighbor in Precott Valley,
 
 
  Greg Lindh
 
 
 

 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 22:23:19 -0700
 From: ironfromthesky@gmail.com
 To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Springwater 52 kilo main mass
 
 To answer Michael Blood's question the 52 kilo mass was found by
 Shauna and I, We left the mass in the ground until Shauna found Mike
 and Jim, called the land owners and had them bring there families out
 to the site so that everyone could share in this momentous occasion.
 The news story certainly did not address the circumstances as I had
 hoped it would.
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Re: [meteorite-list] NO REGRETS

[GREG LINDH]

 
Hi Robert,
 
  Thanks for your informative email.  I've yet to experience my first hunt, so 
your information helps me understand some of the intricacies of meteorite 
hunting rules and ediquettes.
 
  Your neighbor in Prescott Valley,
 
  Greg Lindh  
 
 



 Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 12:32:42 -0700
 From: ironfromthesky@gmail.com
 To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] NO REGRETS

 Hello Sonny, List, As per Art's request I will not discuss the Nevada
 issue, but I am happy to address Sonny's request that I disclose the
 agreements I have in regards to the shares on my hunts. On desert
 hunts the finder keeps all of his common chondrites, we do split rare
 achondrites, lunars, carbonaceous chondrites, rumurutiites, ect. The
 thought of my 22.61 kilo DHO 1431 oriented nose cone having been cut
 in half so that my partner could get his share is unimaginable to me.
 Also, if one finds a broken individual and your partner finds the
 other piece, let's say ten feet away, that piece belongs to the
 original finder, and that person calls the shots on how the strewn
 field is hunted from that point on. All of our agreements are made
 before we even step foot on an airplane, this prevents any
 misunderstandings. As far as Glorieta Mountain is concerned, every
 person I have hunted with that has found meteorites kept their finds,
 Patrick Hermann, Robert Haag, myself, Shauna Russell, Jim Strope. I
 feel that if you work for it, it was meant for you. On large scale
 projects such as Springwater we do split equally, but this is a mining
 project essentially, we all have a lot of money invested, and all open
 ground gets covered, the 'luck of the hunt' is not such of a factor,
 it was simply in your grid area. Sonny, I hope this public statement
 answers you questions. May I suggest you have a contract in writing
 with your partners, and the land owners in the future to prevent these
 recurrent problems. Regards, Robert Ward.
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Re: [meteorite-list] MY REGRETS AND APOLOGY

[GREG LINDH]

 
Count Deiro,
 
 You certainly have not disppointed me, and it seems to me that you have 
nothing to apologize for. I'm not familiar with the meteorite rules of 
etiquette, but it seems to me that you got the shaftperiod.
 
 
  Greg 
 
 
 
 
 

 Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 20:39:27 -0700
 From: ironfromthesky@gmail.com
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] MY REGRETS AND APOLOGY
 
 Hello List, Count Deiro and several others has tried to post this and
 it would not go through for some reason, so I am giving it a try.
  Regards, Robert Ward
 
 Dear Listees,
 
 Like many of us, I was taken aback by Bill Kies' outburst concerning
 Sonny Clary's alleged bad behavior in the Wisconsin field. While
 Bills' attack was admittedly shrill, I couldn't help but wonder what
 actually happened in Wisconsin...or what happened with Sonny in
 Texasor in Georgia. Well, after much soul-searching, I have come
 to conclude it's my responsibility to share what happened in Nevada.
 
 First, however, I have two admissions to make for which I am embarrassed:
 
 1. After I found my first meteorite, Nevada's largest, Sonny Clary
 informed me It's customary to give the person with whom you are
 hunting half of whatever you find. I had no reason not to believe
 him. Sonny had the meteorite cut the very next morning. When I was
 advised that Sonny's custom of meteorite sharing was not customary, I
 asked for it back and he refused. I became angry and I threatened
 Sonny, and for that I apologize.
 
 2. I felt stung by the first wave of criticism when the meteorite was
 cut, and in an effort to deflect such criticism, I allowed Sonny to
 post on his web site and the List an accounting of my find where I
 declared that splitting the meteorite had been done in gratitude for
 Sonny's mentoring me. This was also inaccurate, and for this
 fabrication I apologize as well.
 
 This was not the first time that Sonny and I had hunted, and as I
 stood in shock and delight looking down at my first find, Sonny said,
 Guido, I know we don't have a deal and I don't want to piss you off,
 but it's customary to give the person with whom you're hunting half of
 whatever you find. Sonny was a mile away when I found this meteorite,
 at our third location of the day, and one where I had hunted before
 with my grandsons and friends. When I later asked Sonny why he had
 arranged to have it cut so quickly, Sonny admitted that he had done so
 because I knew there was a chance that you would change your mind.
 
 Folks, I was blessed to find my first meteorite at age 73. From an
 experience which should have been a source of only immense joy, I have
 also sadly experienced confusion, sorrow, anger and embarrassment.
 Sonny still refuses to return the other half of the meteorite, and
 while that's deeply upsetting to me, more importantly than any
 meteorite or the anguish experienced, I am sorry if I've disappointed
 you, my friends on this great List.
 
 Humbly and sincerely,
 
 Count Deiro
 IMCA 3536
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Re: [meteorite-list] One year ago ...

[GREG LINDH]

 
  Yeah, Bernd, time does fly, and I'll not be forgetting O. Richard Norton 
either.  I just wish I had had the chance to meet him.  Rocks From Space is 
still my favorite book on meteorites.
 
  Greg
 
 



 To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 From: bernd.pa...@paulinet.de
 Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 22:43:30 +
 Subject: [meteorite-list] One year ago ...

 It's late here, so, much more important than dollars and Viking takjan
 is this:

 One year ago,

 .. our very own O.R. Norton left planet Earth and set out on a journey
 to his beloved stones, stony-irons, and irons out there in the asteroid belt.

 Richard, you may be gone but you will never be forgotten !

 Our very best wishes to You and to Your wife Dorothy !

 So many among us owe so much to You !

 Thank you for all this wealth of information, these wonderful books
 on meteorites, this enthusiasm and passion for all things celestial !


 Bernd

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Re: [meteorite-list] Gorgeous photos from the Iowa-Grant WI Strewnfield

[GREG LINDH]

 
Super photos, Joe!  Thanks.
 
 
   Greg
 
 

 Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 21:38:32 -0700
 From: skyrockmeteori...@yahoo.com
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Gorgeous photos from the Iowa-Grant WI Strewnfield
 
 Hello Listees,
 Here are some really nice pics from my latest trip ti the Iowa-Grant 
 Wisconsin strewnfield.
 Some real nice pics of some bald eagles, and some of the gorgeous landscape 
 and a few others I thought you all would enjoy.
 
 http://illinoismeteorites.com/cgi-bin/board/YaBB.pl?num=1273984155
 
 Best Wishes,
 Joe Kerchner
 http://illinoismeteorites.com
 http://skyrockcafe.com
 
 
 
 
 
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[meteorite-list] (To Eric) - WI Meteorite Hu nting Statistics‏

[GREG LINDH]

 
 
  Eric,
 
  Everyone has been discussing the food expense thing.  I'd like to address a 
different part of your original email.  You asked for people to share 
coordinates.  Good luck with that one.
 
  Did you get a lot of volunteers to step up and do some sharing?
 
  Just curious.
 
 
  Greg
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Re: [meteorite-list] Collecting on Public Lands

[GREG LINDH]

  It's not our civic duty if it's against the law.
 
  If it's against the law, it's against the law.
 
 
  Greg
 
 
 
 
 
 From: axolot...@gmail.com
 Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 23:50:35 -0400
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Collecting on Public Lands
 
 Regarding the discussions regarding the collecting of meteorites on
 public lands... the BLM publishes brochures encouraging visitors to
 pack out debris and routinely sponsors volunteer days where folks get
 together to remove debris and exotic/invasive species. I could contend
 that all meteorites are debris from space, and even more specifically;
 they are exotic species of minerals.
 
 It might be our civic duty to remove them from public lands.
 
 Regards,
 
 Mark Miller
 IMCA 4732
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Re: [meteorite-list] 14.5g WI Fully Crusted beautiful Oriented StoneFor Sale (Ad)

[GREG LINDH]

 
  Hi Ruben,
 
  I had to laugh when I read your post.  Your analysis of Facebook is similar 
to mine.  I just don't see the attraction.  It seems pointless and like you 
said, the people there need to get a life.  I'm on Facebook, but rarely use it. 
 I think I may drop it too.
 
  Hope all is well at your end, Ruben.
 
 
  Greg
 
 
 

 Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 15:40:45 -0700
 From: mrmeteor...@gmail.com
 To: warren3...@hotmail.com
 CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 14.5g WI Fully Crusted beautiful Oriented 
 StoneFor Sale (Ad)
 
 I was on Facebook for about a week. I didn't like it at all. I
 thought there would be something about meteorites - but no! There was
 nothing there I cared about.
 
 A typical day on Facebook was like this:
 
 Bob said I ate too much today
 Jenny said  I like this
 Jim said Joe Dirt rules
 Sue sent you a heartwanna send her one?
 Leon I have allergies
 
 I wanted to scream GET A LIFE! Instead I just canceled my page
 
 I still can't figure out why it's so popular. Twitter is even worse!
 
 
 
 On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Warren Sansoucie
 warren3...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Don't let them suck you in!! Before you know it you'll be getting harassed 
 for not poking some old lady back.

 Warren Sansoucie

 
 From: rom...@sympatico.ca
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 18:21:32 -0400
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 14.5g WI Fully Crusted beautiful Oriented 
 StoneFor Sale (Ad)

 You have to be kidding me, I need facebook just to
 see the photo?

 Roman


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 Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 12:19 PM
 To: Meteorite-list
 Subject: [meteorite-list] 14.5g WI Fully Crusted beautiful Oriented StoneFor
 Sale (Ad)

 Hey everyone,

 I have a 14.5g (Fully Crusted Oriented Individual Stone) that I am taking
 offers on.

 Photo:
 http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/photo.php?pid=30711932id=1219094173

 Contact privately off list by email for price/offers or call me directly
 at (760) 522-2152

 Thanks,
 Eric
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 Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/
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Re: [meteorite-list] off topic NFL pregame Flyover

[GREG LINDH]

 
As a former Air Force air traffic controller, I really appreciate that 
video.  Thanks for putting it on.  I know it was off the meteorite topic, but 
it was very cool.
 
  Greg Lindh
 

 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 21:57:05 -0400
 From: cdtuc...@cox.net
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] off topic NFL pregame Flyover
 
 Proud to be an American.
 One of Americas greatest moments;
 Enjoy. 
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWSUAoYcH5c
 
 --
 Carl or Debbie Esparza
 Meteoritemax
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock, not meteorite'

[GREG LINDH]

 
Hi Martin, 
 
  I thought the last two lines in your email were great:
 
 Other question, would WA Government have paid the fixing of the roof, if it 
would have been a meteorite?
I mean, then the damage would have caused by a property of the state,wouldn't 
it? 
 
  Good pointI had to laugh at that one!  
 
 
  Greg
 
 
 



 From: altm...@meteorite-martin.de
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 17:29:58 +0200
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock, not 
 meteorite'

 A lot of people find slag out of glass furnaces and think they are
 meteorites as well, they kind of look the same.

 Because those people finding real meteorites, lunars and Martians aren't
 coming to Australia. :-(

 Why?

 Because: if it was
 a meteor it belongs to the WA Government.


 Other question, would WA Government have paid the fixing of the roof, if it
 would have been a meteorite?
 I mean, then the damage would have caused by a property of the state,
 wouldn't it?

 Martin

 -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
 Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
 [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Jeff
 Kuyken
 Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. April 2010 16:35
 An: meteorite list
 Betreff: [meteorite-list] Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock,not
 meteorite'

 http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/special-features/museum-investigates-meteori
 te-claims/story-e6frg1ac-1225837470139

 Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock, not meteorite'


 SCIENTISTS investigating claims a meteor fragment the size of a cricket ball

 collided into a WA house have confirmed it was almost certainly a rock. The
 object hit the roof of the home about 4pm on Thursday in the north-eastern
 Perth suburb of Beechboro.

 A female occupant thought it was a meteor.

 The WA Museum today said the object may have fallen from a plane lowering
 its landing gear.

 The museum's head of Earth and Planetary Sciences, Dr Alex Bevan, yesterday
 inspected the object, which he did not suspect was from outer space.

 Alex did have a look at some photos of the object, but when he did look at
 it in person, he did not think it was from a meteorite, a museum
 spokesperson said.

 Sometimes rocks get caught in the wheels of planes and as they are lowering

 their gear they may fall, we just don't know.

 Perth Observatory said it had received a couple of reports on Thursday
 night from people phoning to say they had seen a light in the sky.

 At this stage no one seems to be able to put it all together, but if it was

 a meteor it belongs to the WA Government, observatory astronomer Ralph
 Martyn said.

 The reports at this stage are very sketchy.

 He said the observatory was waiting to inspect a photograph of the object.

 A lot of people find slag out of glass furnaces and think they are
 meteorites as well, they kind of look the same.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock, not meteorite'

[GREG LINDH]

 
  Stering,
 
  You wrote:
 
  In this reality, the State is usually successful in asserting whatever  they 
wish to assert.
 
  Yup, that's pretty much the way it is, Sterling.
 
 
  Greg
 
 
 

 From: sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net
 To: veom...@gmail.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 17:26:46 -0500
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock, not 
 meteorite'
 
 Well, if The State had used the touched the
 Earth argument to weasel out of State liability
 but still claim the stone, yes, you could counter-
 claim ownership if you caught it before it landed.
 But you'd have to be careful to never drop it
 outdoors, because at that moment, it would
 become the property of The State!
 
 Back in the real world, meteorite laws are
 few and vague and meteorite court cases
 are scarce indeed. In this reality, the State
 is usually successful in asserting whatever
 they wish to assert.
 
 
 Sterling K. Webb
 -
 - Original Message - 
 From: Yinan Wang veom...@gmail.com
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 4:29 PM
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock,not 
 meteorite'
 
 
 Then, on the bounce, it touches the Earth and becomes the Property of
 The State.
 
 So if a meteoroid embeds itself into your car, or you catch it before
 it hits the ground (ya, improbable as it seems), or if bounces off a
 cow and you catch it, does it belong to you now since it did not
 become a meteorite?
 
 - YvW
 
 On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Sterling K. Webb
 sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
 Any lawyer could argue his way out of this
 dilema with one simple slip. The meteorite,
 while falling, is a meteoroid, not a meteorite,
 hence it is under God's jurisdiction.

 You, your car, your house, your dead dog
 (or cow) are not the Earth. The meteorite only
 becomes a meteorite when it touches the
 Earth, after killing you, perforating your
 car, smashing your house, or killing your
 dog. Then, on the bounce, it touches the
 Earth and becomes the Property of The State.

 No harm, no fault. Hand it over, please.


 Sterling K. Webb
 -
 - Original Message - From: ensorama...@ntlworld.com
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Martin Altmann
 altm...@meteorite-martin.de
 Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 3:31 PM
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock, 
 not
 meteorite'


 Interesting thought Martin...

 I wonder what their position would be regarding a meteorite (that 
 belonged
 to the state) hitting and injuring/killing somebody?

 Graham, UK

  Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de wrote:

 A lot of people find slag out of glass furnaces and think they are
 meteorites as well, they kind of look the same.

 Because those people finding real meteorites, lunars and Martians 
 aren't
 coming to Australia. :-(

 Why?

 Because: if it was
 a meteor it belongs to the WA Government.


 Other question, would WA Government have paid the fixing of the 
 roof, if
 it
 would have been a meteorite?
 I mean, then the damage would have caused by a property of the 
 state,
 wouldn't it?

 Martin

 -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
 Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
 [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von 
 Jeff
 Kuyken
 Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. April 2010 16:35
 An: meteorite list
 Betreff: [meteorite-list] Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock,not
 meteorite'


 http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/special-features/museum-investigates-meteori
 te-claims/story-e6frg1ac-1225837470139

 Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock, not meteorite'


 SCIENTISTS investigating claims a meteor fragment the size of a 
 cricket
 ball

 collided into a WA house have confirmed it was almost certainly a 
 rock.
 The
 object hit the roof of the home about 4pm on Thursday in the
 north-eastern
 Perth suburb of Beechboro.

 A female occupant thought it was a meteor.

 The WA Museum today said the object may have fallen from a plane 
 lowering
 its landing gear.

 The museum's head of Earth and Planetary Sciences, Dr Alex Bevan,
 yesterday
 inspected the object, which he did not suspect was from outer space.

 Alex did have a look at some photos of the object, but when he did 
 look
 at
 it in person, he did not think it was from a meteorite, a museum
 spokesperson said.

 Sometimes rocks get caught in the wheels of planes and as they are
 lowering

 their gear they may fall, we just don't know.

 Perth Observatory said it had received a couple of reports on 
 Thursday
 night from people phoning to say they had seen a light in the sky.

 At this stage no one seems to be able to put it all together, but 
 if it
 was

 a meteor it belongs to the WA Government, observatory astronomer 
 Ralph
 Martyn said.

 The reports at this stage are very 

Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 26, 2010

[GREG LINDH]

 
Hi Michael,
 
  Yes, the website was broken and also the link that was given was not blue, 
so you couldn't just click on it. I had to copy and paste it on to my address 
bar.  This is the second time this has happened in the last 3 or so weeks.
 
  Greg
 
 

 Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 16:34:12 -0700
 From: mlbl...@cox.net
 To: mich...@rocksfromspace.org; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 26, 
 2010
 
 Did others get a web site where the photo link
 Was broken?
 Michael
 
 
 On 3/26/10 3:09 PM, mich...@rocksfromspace.org
 mich...@rocksfromspace.org wrote:
 
 http:www.rocksfromspace.org/March_26_2010.html
 
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Announcing the Count cube Scale / Orientation cube

[GREG LINDH]

 
  I've got 3 of Tom's centimeter cubes and they are very cool!  Thank you, Tom. 
 Great work.  I also like your coffee mugs!
 
  Greg
 
 
 

 From: starsinthed...@aol.com
 Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 19:48:40 -0400
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad Announcing the Count cube Scale / Orientation 
 cube
 
 Hi List, First off, I want you all to know I am not taking this 
 seriously, just having fun with it.
 
 About a month ago I came up with the Martin cube. A wood centimeter 
 scale / orientation cube that would look good next to historic meteorites. 
 Hence the nick name Martin Cube.
 
 Well as it happened, I had just sent Count some Martin cubes when he made 
 his fantastic record setting 14.7 Kg Nevada chondrite find. I got to 
 thinking the little centimeter cube would look rather insignificant next to 
 the 
 monster. So I made some 1 inch cubes.
 
 (I wanted to stay metric but I also wanted to keep to even numbers or the 
 whole scale easy size reference thing goes out the window. One inch is 
 about 25mm.)
 
 I listed some on eBay in sets of three cubes; 1 Martin Cube, 1 new style 
 cube with CM to designate centimeter and 1 Count Cube (The big one!).
 
 The link is at
 
 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=260569117864ssPageName=S
 TRK:MESELX:IT
 
 Thanks, Tom 
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] It is a sad day.....

[GREG LINDH]

 of this irreplaceable scientific
 information. The rocks aren't going anywhere. Even if it takes a
 century for the appropriate scientific programs to come about that
 will recover them, they won't age much in that time, if at all.

 The age of profiteering off of dinosaur fossils by people like Edward
 Cope and Othniel Marsh undoubtedly uncovered a vast amount of
 information and fossils - to quote Wikipedia, as unreliable as it is,
 Unfortunately, many valuable dinosaur specimens were damaged or
 destroyed due to the pair's rough methods: for example, their diggers
 often used dynamite to unearth bones (a method modern paleontologists
 would find appalling). Despite their unrefined methods, the
 contributions of Cope and Marsh to paleontology were vast: Marsh
 unearthed 86 new species of dinosaur and Cope discovered 56, a total
 of 142 new species.

 This, in my mind, is what many people are doing today in the field of
 meteorites. Yes, many meteorites are being recovered, but look around
 you at the staggering scientific losses that are occurring
 simultaneously...

 And Chris, too, is right. The existence of an un-enforced law that
 protects meteorites in the United States is likely the sole reason
 that we don't have more prohibitive and widely enforced laws. Be
 happy with the BLM website, and the fact that they likely couldn't
 enforce the law even if they exhibited a wish to (and they haven't, by
 and large).

 Jason

 On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 8:59 PM, GREG LINDH wrote:


 Jason,

 Just stating an observation about something that I've observed over the 
 past few years. My statement wasn't just about our current administration. 
 The statement was a generalization about government. I stand by what I 
 said. The meteorite thing is just one example of the intrusion of 
 government into the lives of people. The only reason it is bothering the 
 members here is that it affects them directly. I don't see any reason that 
 people shouldn't be able to hunt for meteorites on any land, except Indian 
 land or private property (without permission). All the restrictions have 
 *never* made sense to me. My post's subject is directly attached to the 
 subject of meteorites. Bottom line: it is the unwarranted intrusion of 
 government that upset Ruben. No? If this is indeed a new ruling that 
 eliminates meteorite hunting, then my topic seems quite relevant.


 Greg Lindh





 
 Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 20:36:04 -0800
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It is a sad day.
 From: meteorite...@gmail.com
 To: gee...@msn.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com

 Really, Greg?
 Politics?

 On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 8:17 PM, GREG LINDH wrote:


 Hi Ruben,

 Everyone should take this to heartthe bigger the government, the 
 smaller the citizen. Our government is getting quite big, no?


 Greg Lindh



 
 Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 18:51:50 -0700
 From: mrmeteor...@gmail.com
 To: damoc...@yahoo.com
 CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It is a sad day.

 Richard and all,

 This is NOT just for Oregon and Washington (Hell, who is hunting
 meteorites there anyway?)

 John Blennart has been talking with government people who have assured
 him. All the old Forest Service and BLM web sites will be changed to
 read the new rules for meteorites.

 This is REAL! John has been saying this was in the works for weeks now
 - It seems that the recent interest in meteorites made them look into
 doing this.

 Rock On!

 Ruben Garcia

 Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net
 Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/
 Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u
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Re: [meteorite-list] It's now an even sadder day...what happened to ethics??

[GREG LINDH]

 
Erik,
  
 
  You wrote, It is one thing to do what is morally correct and abide by the 
law, and it is one thing to submit anytime the government tells you not to do 
something without questioning it.
 
  Not sure I understand that last sentence, Erik.  It seems to be possibly 
self-contradictory, but perhaps I just don't follow you.  Do you think that one 
should obey the law, even if one doesn't agree with it?
 
  Let's say that Ruben's fear turns out to be true.  Let's say that a new law 
is passed that makes it illegal to hunt for meteorites on *any government 
landperiodno exceptions*.  Let's say that one completely disagrees with 
this new law.  Should one obey the law or just ignore it?
 
 
  Greg
 
 



 From: erikfw...@msn.com
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 13:52:38 -0700
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It's now an even sadder day...what happened to 
 ethics??


 Dennis,
 What is wrong with disregarding the law to refind a new classification on 
 public land? Are you suggesting that I spend hundreds in gas/lodging/food to 
 find meteorites to donate %100 of the material to a university or museum? 
 With that little motivation, the number of new meteorites being found would 
 drop to a number one could count on their left hand. It's already happened in 
 Australia.
 I'd much rather donate a percentage of my material for classification and to 
 be cataloged and then keep some.

 It is one thing to do what is morally correct and abide by the law, and it is 
 one thing to submit anytime the government tells you not to do something 
 without questioning it.

 [Erik]



 
 From: apollocollec...@q.com
 To: cdtuc...@cox.net
 Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 10:47:14 -0800
 CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It's now an even sadder day...what happened to 
 ethics??

 Hello Carl,

 You ask some interesting questions. Yes, it sounds as if there are
 many gray areas in the law...and those need to be cleared up. As for
 your question about the LA Mars rocks, from the first time that I
 heard the story, I wondered about the circumstances. While I believe
 the story to be true, some might say that it was a convenient
 fabrication to preserve personal gain. In any case, I guess that one
 must draw a line at some point...and due to recent meteorite hunting
 publicity, it appears that the time has now arrived. It may be that
 previously documented finds can be grandfathered but going forward,
 all laws must be obeyed. It is one thing to fail to know or
 understand the law and another to knowingly disregard it...which is
 the position of those who state that they will refind specimens in
 the future.

 Thanks,

 Dennis


 On Mar 9, 2010, at 10:21 AM, wrote:

 Dennis,
 I agree with you 100 %. If there were laws prohibiting the
 collection. However there is not. If you do read all the posts it
 has already been linked to sites that do define collections of
 meteorites and they only limit the amount allowed to 250 pounds per
 year without a special permit. But with that permit more in allowed
 legally. It merely states that these collections cannot be for
 commercial gain. This is the gray area. If you sell them then you
 are in violation. But what if your kids inherit them? What is the
 status then? This verbiage is as bad as many other laws drafted by
 the feds. I was once charged with selling duck feathers. They ended
 up dropping the charges as I proved the stuffed duck was legal
 because it was an antique
 ( grand fathered) but under current law it is in fact illegal to
 sell any migrating bird feathers. Thanks to the migrating bird act.
 Yes, you can hunt ducks and eat them but you must discard the
 feathers and may never sell them. How stupid is that?
 Again , it is very gray because these rocks are not meteorites until
 they are approved by metsoc. true story. An IMCA member is not
 allowed to state that they are selling meteorites unless they are
 approved by metsoc. And rightly so because they are not real without
 the metsoc designation. Or are they???
 We can also reduce this to the ridiculous by saying that all rocks
 came from space. Yes even Earth came from space. Or do we
 grandfather it in like the duck feathers? So, they are technically
 just rocks until that happens. By then if you try to put them back
 they can get you for littering. Can you imagine what the cops would
 do to you if they caught you littering on public lands?
 The now famous Los Angeles meteorites were found by a rock hound.
 Again a perfectly legal find as a rock under 250 ponds.
 Years later it was discovered and recognized as a meteorite. But
 again until then it was just an interesting rock. So, based on your
 position all of the dealers of LA mars rocks are out of favor with
 you? For that matter any and all finds without a permit like Gold
 Basin on Federal land are all in this 

Re: [meteorite-list] sadder day...what happened to ethics??

[GREG LINDH]

Michael,
 
  My questions to Erik had to do with a new law forbidding any hunting of 
meteorites on government land.  The questions from my post remain unanswered.  
How would *you* answer them?  So far, your method of answering is by way of 
obfuscation.  It would be preferable to have direct answers to those questions. 
 The questions are easy and straight forward.  It shouldn't be hard to answer 
them.
 
 
  Greg 
 
 


 Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 14:47:25 -0800
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] sadder day...what happened to ethics??
 From: mlbl...@cox.net
 To: gee...@msn.com; erikfw...@msn.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com

 We should leave government / BLM land to subsidized
 Cattle grazing, Giant Corporate coal mining and Oil
 Exploitation for obscene profits to world controlling
 corporations. We certainly shouldn't take meteorites.
 We should be ETHICAL and leave them to terrestrialize!
 Michael


 On 3/9/10 1:53 PM, GREG LINDH wrote:



 Erik,


 You wrote, It is one thing to do what is morally correct and abide by the
 law, and it is one thing to submit anytime the government tells you not to do
 something without questioning it.

 Not sure I understand that last sentence, Erik. It seems to be possibly
 self-contradictory, but perhaps I just don't follow you. Do you think that
 one should obey the law, even if one doesn't agree with it?

 Let's say that Ruben's fear turns out to be true. Let's say that a new law
 is passed that makes it illegal to hunt for meteorites on *any government
 landperiodno exceptions*. Let's say that one completely disagrees
 with this new law. Should one obey the law or just ignore it?


 Greg




 
 From: erikfw...@msn.com
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 13:52:38 -0700
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It's now an even sadder day...what happened to
 ethics??


 Dennis,
 What is wrong with disregarding the law to refind a new classification on
 public land? Are you suggesting that I spend hundreds in gas/lodging/food to
 find meteorites to donate %100 of the material to a university or museum?
 With that little motivation, the number of new meteorites being found would
 drop to a number one could count on their left hand. It's already happened 
 in
 Australia.
 I'd much rather donate a percentage of my material for classification and to
 be cataloged and then keep some.

 It is one thing to do what is morally correct and abide by the law, and it 
 is
 one thing to submit anytime the government tells you not to do something
 without questioning it.

 [Erik]



 
 From: apollocollec...@q.com
 To: cdtuc...@cox.net
 Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 10:47:14 -0800
 CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It's now an even sadder day...what happened 
 to
 ethics??

 Hello Carl,

 You ask some interesting questions. Yes, it sounds as if there are
 many gray areas in the law...and those need to be cleared up. As for
 your question about the LA Mars rocks, from the first time that I
 heard the story, I wondered about the circumstances. While I believe
 the story to be true, some might say that it was a convenient
 fabrication to preserve personal gain. In any case, I guess that one
 must draw a line at some point...and due to recent meteorite hunting
 publicity, it appears that the time has now arrived. It may be that
 previously documented finds can be grandfathered but going forward,
 all laws must be obeyed. It is one thing to fail to know or
 understand the law and another to knowingly disregard it...which is
 the position of those who state that they will refind specimens in
 the future.

 Thanks,

 Dennis


 On Mar 9, 2010, at 10:21 AM, wrote:

 Dennis,
 I agree with you 100 %. If there were laws prohibiting the
 collection. However there is not. If you do read all the posts it
 has already been linked to sites that do define collections of
 meteorites and they only limit the amount allowed to 250 pounds per
 year without a special permit. But with that permit more in allowed
 legally. It merely states that these collections cannot be for
 commercial gain. This is the gray area. If you sell them then you
 are in violation. But what if your kids inherit them? What is the
 status then? This verbiage is as bad as many other laws drafted by
 the feds. I was once charged with selling duck feathers. They ended
 up dropping the charges as I proved the stuffed duck was legal
 because it was an antique
 ( grand fathered) but under current law it is in fact illegal to
 sell any migrating bird feathers. Thanks to the migrating bird act.
 Yes, you can hunt ducks and eat them but you must discard the
 feathers and may never sell them. How stupid is that?
 Again , it is very gray because these rocks are not meteorites until
 they are approved by metsoc. true story. An IMCA member is not
 allowed to state

Re: [meteorite-list] It is a sad day.....

[GREG LINDH]

 
Hi Ruben,
 
  Everyone should take this to heartthe bigger the government, the smaller 
the citizen. Our government is getting quite big, no?  
 
 
  Greg Lindh
 



 Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 18:51:50 -0700
 From: mrmeteor...@gmail.com
 To: damoc...@yahoo.com
 CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It is a sad day.

 Richard and all,

 This is NOT just for Oregon and Washington (Hell, who is hunting
 meteorites there anyway?)

 John Blennart has been talking with government people who have assured
 him. All the old Forest Service and BLM web sites will be changed to
 read the new rules for meteorites.

 This is REAL! John has been saying this was in the works for weeks now
 - It seems that the recent interest in meteorites made them look into
 doing this.

 Rock On!

 Ruben Garcia

 Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net
 Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/
 Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u
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Re: [meteorite-list] It is a sad day.....

[GREG LINDH]

 that we could have spent
 hunting elsewhere - or perhaps getting food?
 Perhaps, perhaps not, but that information is now safe.
 And many hunters nowadays don't put forth the effort. Some do. Many do not.
 It's why, while we do have information regarding the Franconia, Gold
 Basin, and Ash Creek strewnfields, we do not have good maps of any of
 these, aside from Jim Kriegh's original map of Gold Basin, which is
 now still useful but relatively obsolete.

 You tell me what's better: the right for irresponsible hunters to lose
 information, or the protection of this irreplaceable scientific
 information. The rocks aren't going anywhere. Even if it takes a
 century for the appropriate scientific programs to come about that
 will recover them, they won't age much in that time, if at all.

 The age of profiteering off of dinosaur fossils by people like Edward
 Cope and Othniel Marsh undoubtedly uncovered a vast amount of
 information and fossils - to quote Wikipedia, as unreliable as it is,
 Unfortunately, many valuable dinosaur specimens were damaged or
 destroyed due to the pair's rough methods: for example, their diggers
 often used dynamite to unearth bones (a method modern paleontologists
 would find appalling). Despite their unrefined methods, the
 contributions of Cope and Marsh to paleontology were vast: Marsh
 unearthed 86 new species of dinosaur and Cope discovered 56, a total
 of 142 new species.

 This, in my mind, is what many people are doing today in the field of
 meteorites. Yes, many meteorites are being recovered, but look around
 you at the staggering scientific losses that are occurring
 simultaneously...

 And Chris, too, is right. The existence of an un-enforced law that
 protects meteorites in the United States is likely the sole reason
 that we don't have more prohibitive and widely enforced laws. Be
 happy with the BLM website, and the fact that they likely couldn't
 enforce the law even if they exhibited a wish to (and they haven't, by
 and large).

 Jason

 On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 8:59 PM, GREG LINDH wrote:


 Jason,

 Just stating an observation about something that I've observed over the past 
 few years. My statement wasn't just about our current administration. The 
 statement was a generalization about government. I stand by what I said. The 
 meteorite thing is just one example of the intrusion of government into the 
 lives of people. The only reason it is bothering the members here is that it 
 affects them directly. I don't see any reason that people shouldn't be able 
 to hunt for meteorites on any land, except Indian land or private property 
 (without permission). All the restrictions have *never* made sense to me. My 
 post's subject is directly attached to the subject of meteorites. Bottom 
 line: it is the unwarranted intrusion of government that upset Ruben. No? If 
 this is indeed a new ruling that eliminates meteorite hunting, then my topic 
 seems quite relevant.


 Greg Lindh





 
 Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 20:36:04 -0800
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It is a sad day.
 From: meteorite...@gmail.com
 To: gee...@msn.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com

 Really, Greg?
 Politics?

 On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 8:17 PM, GREG LINDH wrote:


 Hi Ruben,

 Everyone should take this to heartthe bigger the government, the 
 smaller the citizen. Our government is getting quite big, no?


 Greg Lindh



 
 Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 18:51:50 -0700
 From: mrmeteor...@gmail.com
 To: damoc...@yahoo.com
 CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It is a sad day.

 Richard and all,

 This is NOT just for Oregon and Washington (Hell, who is hunting
 meteorites there anyway?)

 John Blennart has been talking with government people who have assured
 him. All the old Forest Service and BLM web sites will be changed to
 read the new rules for meteorites.

 This is REAL! John has been saying this was in the works for weeks now
 - It seems that the recent interest in meteorites made them look into
 doing this.

 Rock On!

 Ruben Garcia

 Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net
 Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/
 Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u
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Re: [meteorite-list] Cause of the current snow

[GREG LINDH]

 
E.P. Grondine,
 
  Exactly what does your politically correct posting about global warming 
have to do with the subject of this List, namely, METEORITES?
 
 
  Greg Lindh
 



 Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 09:57:16 -0800
 From: epgrond...@yahoo.com
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Cause of the current snow

 Hi all -

 http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2010/01/why-the-us-and-much-of-europe-are-shivering-in-the-cold.ars

 E.P. Grondine
 Man and Impact in the Americas



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[meteorite-list] Matters Arising.

[GREG LINDH]

  I'm sorry folks, but some of you need to get a life.  That photo was just 
plain fun.  The last thing any of those folks in the photo (I only recognized 
Geoff Notkin) had in mind was to start this.  Reallywhat a pantload!
 
  Yes, I live in Arizona...yes, you're allowed to carry a weapon in 
Arizona...yes, I've lived around guns my whole life...yes I own several of 
themyes, I enjoy shooting them...yes, I understand gun safety rules and I 
wouldn't point a weapon at anything I didn't intend to shoot, but PLEASE!
 
  I don't think the objections to the photo had anything to do with gun 
safety.  I think it had more to do with a mindset that is basically anti-gun.  
It's as if having a gun in the same photo that has a meteorite in it somehow 
taints the meteorite and the people in it.  PLEASE!  It's hard to tell from the 
photo whether it's a real weapon or not.  I wish that it had been a bright day 
glow green, plastic squirt gun, but you know what, I still think that 
objections would still have been be raised.  Like I said, this all has to do 
with a certain mindset.  Period.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger

[GREG LINDH]

 
I barely know any of the people in the meteorite community, so I never had 
the pleasure of meeting Christian. Having said that, I extend my condolences to 
those who were close to him. It's always so very sad to hear news like this.  
 
 
Greg Lindh
 



 From: impact...@aol.com
 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:56:42 -0500
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 CC: h63str...@aol.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger



 Hello everybody,

 I just received this email (below) from Hanno, with very sad news.
 For all of you who did not know Christian Anger, he was an expert meteorite
 collector and a very friendly guy. In his real life he was an Engineer, and
 lived near Vienna, Austria. He leaves behind an (ex)wife and two little
 girls.
 And I still remember when we were waltzing together in Ensisheim, in much
 happier times.

 Anne M. Black
 _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/)
 _impact...@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com)
 Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
 _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/)

 Hello Anne,

 today I received an email from Harald Stehlik, that our good friend
 Christian Anger had on 14.dec 2009 a very heavy car accident and he died.

 I am very shocked and sad, because Christian was not only a collector but a
 friend.
 Everybody know how much fun we had when we were togheter.
 We had also other private contact and were real friends.

 At first he told me that he cannot come to the Munich show, because he had
 so many private problems in his mind.
 Then he called me thursday evening when I was in Munich that he decided to
 come. So he was with us friday evening at the Fliegerbräu and stayed in
 Munich till sunday afternoon. He helped me to bring some of my material back
 into the car sunday afternoon.
 This was the last time I saw him.

 True friendship never ends..

 Hanno Strufe

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Re: [meteorite-list] Holiday Greeting (politically correct)

[GREG LINDH]

Nice post.
 
 
 


 From: parkforest...@hotmail.com
 To: cyna...@charter.net
 Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 16:29:53 -0600
 CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Holiday Greeting (politically correct)


 Please accept with no obligation, implied or implicit, my best wishes for an
 environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low stress, non-addictive, 
 gender
 neutral, celebration of the winter solstice holiday, practiced within the 
 most enjoyable
 traditions of the religious persuasion of your choice, or secular practices 
 of your
 choice, with respect for the religious/secular persuasions and/or traditions 
 of others,
 or their choice not to practice religious or secular traditions at all and a 
 fiscally
 successful, personally fulfilling and medically uncomplicated recognition of 
 the onset
 of the generally accepted calendar year 2000, but not without due respect for 
 the
 calendars of choice of other cultures whose contributions to society have 
 helped make
 America great (not to imply that America is necessarily greater than any 
 other country
 or is the only AMERICA in the western hemisphere), and without regard to the
 race, creed, color, age, physical disability, religious faith, choice of 
 computer platform,
 or sexual preference of the wishee.

 Legal Disclaimer: By accepting this agreement, you are accepting these terms.

 This greeting is subject to clarification or withdrawal. It is freely 
 transferable with no
 alteration to the original greeting. It implies no promise by the wisher to 
 actually
 implement any of the wishes for her/himself or others, and is void where 
 prohibited by
 law, and is revocable at the sole discretion of the wisher.

 This wish is warranted to perform as expected within the usual application of 
 good
 tidings for a period of one year, or until the issuance of a subsequent 
 holiday greeting,
 whichever comes first, and warranty is limited to replacement of this wish or 
 issuance
 of a new wish at the sole discretion of the wisher.

 Sincerely,

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Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - December 24, 2009

[GREG LINDH]

  That's a great photo.  I agree with Lintonwhy would anyone want anything 
else?  He's going to have one happy family!  LOL!
 
 
 
 Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 18:01:06 -0800
 From: mich...@rocksfromspace.org
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - December 24, 
 2009
 
 http://www.rocksfromspace.org/December_24_2009.html
 
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] A Rare Arizona Meteorite Find - VIDEO

[GREG LINDH]

 
Hey Ruben,
 
  Thanks for that video.  For a novice like me it was very instructive.  By 
watching the video, I got to see the process behind identifying a meteorite, 
plus I got to see how important it is to know some of right people, like Geoff, 
Steve, Marvin Kilgore and others at ASU.  Very instructivethanks again.
 
  Greg Lindh  
 
 
 

 Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 21:03:13 -0700
 From: mrmeteor...@gmail.com
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] A Rare Arizona Meteorite Find - VIDEO
 
 Hi all,
 
 I just got around to posting the video of my Rare Arizona Meteorite
 find! My Son (Ruben Jr) filmed me as I discovered my most unique
 meteorite ever. Both he and Hopper were along since we were just
 returning from filming an episode of Meteorite Men with Geoff Notkin
 and Steve Arnold.
 
 The video goes from the dry lake bed where it was found to cutting the
 stone to the classification process in about 4 minutes. It is short
 and to the point.
 
 Here it is on my site:
 http://www.mr-meteorite.net
 
 or here on youtube:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfjdhqbnoxU
 
 -- 
 Rock On!
 
 Ruben Garcia
 
 Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net
 Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/
 Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u
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Re: [meteorite-list] Merry Christmas!

[GREG LINDH]

 
  Merry Christmas, Paul!
 
  
  Greg
 



 From: pgspe...@cox.net
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 22:12:11 -0700
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Merry Christmas!

 Hi, listees:

 Merry Christmas and a happy new year all year long to everyone!

 Baby Jesus, Son of God, creator of the universe, giver of life, the
 Redeemer, and the Reason for the Season! Let's celebrate His love for all
 mankind during this CHRISTmas. Each meteor I see, each meteorite I hold,
 and each colorful microphotograph of a thin slice reminds me of His coming
 to earth, His incarnation on the earth he created, and His plan for a new
 heaven and a new earth.

 Keep looking up!

 Paul

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Re: [meteorite-list] Steve Arnold (Elgin). Man of his word.

[GREG LINDH]

 
Hi Greg,
 
  I agree with your assessment.  Chicago Steve may be a little odd, but who of 
us isn't.  I have gotten a couple of free meteorites from him and I'm thankful 
to Steve for that.  Instead of his constant complaints about someone like 
Steve, who has a child like quality to him in his quest to bring joy to others 
with his give aways, Bill should try doing likewise.  Perhaps he should buy a 
bunch of inexpensive NWAs and just give them away to school children and 
perhaps his neighbors.  I've done this and believe me, seeing the excitment in 
these people when they hold their first meteorite in their hands is worth the 
time and money I spent.  
  As to you, Bill, should you read this email, I'd suggest you loose the 
Scrooge like attitude toward life.  Life is short.  Best to make an impact 
while we're here.
 
  Greg Lindh
 
 

 Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 00:57:31 -0800
 From: star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Steve Arnold (Elgin). Man of his word.
 
 I just would like to add something to this...
 
 My experience with Chicago Steve has ALWAYS been good.
 He has given me many freebies and has also purchased from me, but yet has 
 NEVER asked for anything in return. No discounts, no special deals, nothing.
 I have bought from him, received the meteorites in a very prompt time and 
 they have been as described.
 Thats my experience.
 
 What I have seen in my limited time on the list...
 
 He offers a great deal of wonderful meteorites, FREE to those that want them. 
 Sure, he may break the rules from time to time, but no worse then others 
 have/do, and far less severity then many have done.
 A few people are ready to jump all over him for posting too much, yet remain 
 silent while others do it.
 Add to that the 10-15 posts about his post, makes for 1--15x as much emails 
 to deal with.
 
 While I am not taking any sides in this, I just felt the need to express my 
 thoughts.
 
 
 Hope everyone is doing well.
 
 Greg C.
 www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com
 IMCA member 4682
 
 
 --- On Sun, 12/20/09, Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com wrote:
 
 From: Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Steve Arnold (Elgin). Man of his word.
 To: bill kies parkforest...@hotmail.com
 Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Sunday, December 20, 2009, 3:39 AM
 What exactly is your point? 
 (rhetorical of course) Who's the one with the problem? The
 one who apologizes for some of the things they've done, or
 the one who points out the faults of others and consistently
 posts negative comments and BS with an obvious prejudice
 that no one wants to read, and all in all never contributes
 anything but negativity to the list. Must have taken a while
 to compile the apologies. What have you contributed to the
 list that can be deemed the least bit noteworthy or positive
 beside brash attempts at slamming other on the list? Nothing
 that I've seen...
 
 But then again I didn't search through 7 years of posts to
 make my point either...
 
 Regards,
 Eric
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Re: [meteorite-list] OTish be careful with those metorite-finding magnets!

[GREG LINDH]

 
MERCY!
 
 
 

 From: cyna...@charter.net
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 21:52:28 -0500
 Subject: [meteorite-list] OTish be careful with those metorite-finding 
 magnets!
 
 http://magnetnerd.com/Neodymium%20Magnets/Dirks%20Accident.htm?1
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[meteorite-list] Full time meteorite people.

[GREG LINDH]

 
To all,
 
  I've often wondered how many people are full time hunter/collectors of 
meteorites.  In other words, how many people earn their living strictly from 
the hunting, collecting, trading, and selling of meteorites, and have no side 
jobs to supplement their meteorite income?  What percentage would be a good 
guess?
 
  Greg Lindh  
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Re: [meteorite-list] Full time meteorite people.

[GREG LINDH]

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Eric=2C
=20
  I'm not familiar with John Wolfe=2C and I'm not sure what the purpose of =
your email is.  Would you expand a little?
=20
 =20
Greg L.
=20
=20
=20


 From: erikfw...@msn.com
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Thu=2C 12 Nov 2009 15:04:24 -0700
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Full time meteorite people.


 John Wolfe hunts for meteorites so he can sell them for pennies on the do=
llar at quartzite or dirt cheap to fellow list members so that he can have =
enough pocket change to put gas in his truck and get a few cans of beans.

 It's hard not to have a constant stream of income.

 [Erik]

 From: gee...@msn.com
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Thu=2C 12 Nov 2009 10:17:22 -0700
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Full time meteorite people.



 To all=2C

 I've often wondered how many people are full time hunter/collectors of m=
eteorites. In other words=2C how many people earn their living strictly fro=
m the hunting=2C collecting=2C trading=2C and selling of meteorites=2C and =
have no side jobs to supplement their meteorite income? What percentage wou=
ld be a good guess?

 Greg Lindh
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[meteorite-list] The Ad controversy.

[GREG LINDH]

 
  1 Ad per Week and person?

  O - Yes 
  O - No
  X - I DON'T CARE!
 
  Greg L. 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Way too many sales posts ....Cottingham !

[GREG LINDH]

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Yup=2C I agree with both of you.  I have no problem with Michael's sale=
's.  He always gives a great deal for the money.  Some other dealers should=
 take a lesson.  Personally=2C I wish Michael would post more of his sales.
=20
  Greg Lindh
=20
=20

 From: linton...@earthlink.net
 To: spacewoman2...@hotmail.com
 Date: Wed=2C 14 Oct 2009 18:59:50 -0700
 CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Way too many sales posts Cottingham !
=20
 Me neither=2C Mel.
 The bitching and moaning sure gets old though!
 Linton
=20
 - Original Message -=20
 From: Melanie Matthews spacewoman2...@hotmail.com
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Sent: Wednesday=2C October 14=2C 2009 6:32 PM
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Way too many sales posts Cottingham !
=20
=20

 Personally I have no problems with the adds. :)

 Regards
 ---
 Melanie
 IMCA: 2975
 eBay: metmel2775
 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09

 Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never know=20
 what you're gonna get!






 
 From: mikew...@gilanet.com
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Wed=2C 14 Oct 2009 11:57:31 -0700
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Way too many sales posts Cottingham !

 Hello=2C

 This is a post=2C via the list to myself.

 DUDE - You have to stop sending so many sales posts to the list. I
 mean stop it. You must have sent at least 5 or more in the last 10
 days. You have broken the list rules several times over! Now stop it.
 Do you not have any respect for the people of this list. Most of us
 could care less about buying your meteorites and yet you seem to think
 that people on this list want to buy meteorites-especially yours.
 Over and over you post=2C trying to come up with all types of sales to
 drag people over to your ebay store to buy your meteorites. Just
 because you have 100's of specimens to choose from does not give you
 the right to post more than 1 ad a week. Please try and stay with the
 policy. Please.

 Your alter and rational pleading self

 Michael Cottingham

 PS.

 If you can go without posting to the list for at least 7 days (Ads
 that is) I will give you a free meteorite!
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Re: [meteorite-list] Ads,

[GREG LINDH]

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Hi Eric=2C
=20
  I have to disagree with you.  Michael's prices are among the best on the =
List.  I have been able to buy some quality stuff from him that I could nev=
er afford were they being offered by some other big time dealers on the L=
ist.  May there be more Michael Cottinghams.
=20
  With respect=2C
 Greg lindh
=20
=20

 Date: Wed=2C 14 Oct 2009 20:00:32 -0700
 From: e...@meteoritesusa.com
 To: garych...@live.com
 CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ads=2C
=20
 Hi Gary=2C List=2C
=20
 Honestly=2C That's not really what I meant but hey=2C whatever... =3B) If=
=20
 people want to post away then they should=2C there are rules and they=20
 should be adhered to=2C but they're not.
=20
 And who cares that Cottingham's prices are higher than most=2C he has mor=
e=20
 high quality classified meteorites than most and can price them any way=20
 he wants. If I want to charge $1000/g for a West Texas (Ash Creek) I'll=20
 do it but that doesn't mean I'll get it. Besides that Michael is a fair=20
 guy and will most likely give you a fair deal if you're smart enough to=20
 ask for one. I'll leave the too lazy to get classification comment=20
 alone as it doesn't deserve a lengthy response other than. Do what?=20
 (Rhetorical of course)
=20
 I'll spare you the argument but not to spare the ads=2C I'll post away!
=20
 Regards=2C
 Eric
=20
=20
=20
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ver=3D
 ybody that sells on ebay or has a website should post an ad on the list =
eve=3D
 ry day and a half. We will all be so smart concerning meteorites that we=
 w=3D
 ill all have PHDs.
 =3D20
 Cottingham's prices are among the highest around. How would you like to =
be=3D
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 t=3D
 o discover this list and see that the real price is $7000- That would su=
re=3D
 leave a sour taste in my mouth=3D2C how about you? Reminds me of the ret=
ai=3D
 ler that has a 50% off sale the day after he marks up his inventory 100%
 =3D20
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t i=3D
 s as much BS as the newbies selling UNCLASSIFIED NWA meteorites because =
the=3D
 y are too cheap or lazy to get the proper classification.
 =3D20
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he ru=3D
 les and start posting away with the ads.
 =3D20
 Gary
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[meteorite-list] (Only a TEST) Please disregard.

[GREG LINDH]

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 From: gee...@msn.com
 To: e...@meteoritesusa.com
 Date: Wed=2C 14 Oct 2009 22:17:56 -0700
 CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ads=2C
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 =3D20
 =3D20
=20
 Date: Wed=3D2C 14 Oct 2009 20:00:32 -0700
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 To: garych...@live.com
 CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
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=3D20
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=3D20
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=3D20
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Re: [meteorite-list] They're Leprechauns!

[GREG LINDH]

 
Phil,
 
  Personally, I like your posts.  Keep them coming.
 
 
  Greg Lindh
 
 
 

 From: prairiecac...@rtcol.com
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 01:24:53 -0400
 Subject: [meteorite-list] They're Leprechauns!
 
 Darren  late night Listoidians:
 
 There exists today, a prevelant belief in outer space aliens living in 
 advanced technological civilizations. A majority of Americans inexplicably 
 believes that they have visited us. This belief is prevelant amongst the 
 vast majority of scientists. A NASA scientist who walked on the moon 
 believes they are living and working amongst us in all walks of life.
 
 Belief in imaginary beings is an interesting psychological phenomenon. 
 Through the ages there has been much interest in elves, fairies, trolls, 
 dwarves, ghosts, succubi, incubi, mermaids, what have you. I don't think 
 though that at any time in history has there ever been anything like the 
 overwhelming cultural acceptance of the unsubstantiated belief in outer 
 space aliens. The only thing that even comes close is the belief in angels 
 in the 1200's, and maybe witches in the 1600's. Completely hypothetical 
 mental constructions, and yet they are believed by vast majorities. 
 Questioning this belief is like arguing the Immaculate Conception with a 
 Catholic. Neither side will ever win the argument.
 
 I can understand that it's comforting to believe in advanced civilizations 
 in outer space. Humans are pack animals, living in bee hives. It's sad, 
 lonely and forlorn to feel we are all alone. Maybe one day these beings 
 will appear out of the sky and save us from ourselves, like Jesus or 
 Mohammed, or maybe they'll just kill and eat us. I hear humans taste like 
 pork.
 
 And yes, the ancient Chinese conceptualized going to the moon, it was right 
 around the time they made mankind's first record of a solar eclipse.
 
 Why do I feel like a heathen being proselytized?
 
 Phil Whitmer
 
 
 
 On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 11:16:11 -0400, you wrote:
 
 
Just once, I'd like to read one of these articles that doesn't include the
 
grains of sand analogy.
 
 
 At least they are using something similar to sound reasoning skills.
 
 Here's an analogy for your thought process:
 
 You have two books-- you read the first chapter of the first book, note that
 nobody has been mysteriously murdered yet. You toss away the first book. You
 read the title second book-- the word murder is nowhere it the title. You
 toss away the second book. You decide that, therefore, there is no rational
 reason to believe that any book anywhere might be a murder mystery.
 
 The biological sciences are very, very young. And very, very little of Mars 
 has
 been explored. And yet you make the claim that scientists are too dumb to
 understand abiogenisis as if the current state of science is the end of all
 human knowledge when in fact it is barely the beginning. And that the few
 tinker-toys we have sent to Mars so far (as cool as they may be) preclude 
 that
 Mars ever did support life (or Venus for that instance.) You then take those
 very very, very early sets of data and reach the conclusion that there is no
 other life in the universe.
 
 You may think that is rational thinking. But it is a very long way from
 rational thinking.
 
 And THEN you make a post where you think that maybe the Chinese visited the 
 moon
 thousands of years ago?
 
 And you praise ancient philosophers who spent their lives speculating on the
 nature of reality, while calling the people on the list who want to 
 speculate on
 the nature of reality mental masturbators, and call the conversations
 stupid?
 
 And you continue to construct straw men to attack for everyone who makes a
 misguided attempt at reasoning with you.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Alien Life Topic

[GREG LINDH]

 
 Hi Phil,
 
  I pretty much agree with your post.  I believe most of those who don't 
believe in God, bow to the own god known as evolution.  They are 
determinedhighly motivated to believe in evolution no matter what.
  As for me, I look at the universe around me, from the macro to the micro, and 
all I see is an intricately *designed* universe.  I say this knowing that my 
statement doesn't help me here on The List, and that you probably don't agree 
with me either.  It just makes me more of an outsider.
  The fact is, I'm a Christian (OO NOO, Greg, DON'T admit that!)  It 
get's even worse.  I retired from a ministry at San Quentin Prison, so my 
beliefs are strongnot stupid, just strong.
  So, you may not believe in a deity, you may just see the weak arguments for 
evolution.  So do I.  I just go a step beyond that.  I see strong arguments for 
creation.
  In any event, even though we may not be in complete agreement, I do 
appreciate your point of view.  
  I also very much appreciate your little reference to The Day The Earth Stood 
Still. Klaatu barada nikto, back at you.
 
  Greg Lindh  
 

 From: joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 11:24:05 -0400
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Alien Life Topic
 
 Hi Kirk,
 
 You do understand the difference between evidence and proof, do you not? No 
 one is denying the abundance of building blocks in comets and meteorites. 
 You can't swing a dead cat on a rope and not hit a building block. Amino 
 acids, glycine, phosphorus, carbon, water, you name it, it's everywhere, 
 but it's not alive. Mere organic compounds by themselves are not even close 
 to being live. And it's a huge gigantic step requiring more faith than I 
 can muster to believe that life is an inevitable consequence of the mere 
 presence of building blocks. If it were, there would be life on Mars, and 
 scientists would be routinely creating life in the laboratory. Did I miss 
 the headlines: News Flash! Life Found On Mars!, or: News Flash! 
 Scientist Creates Life In Laboratory!, or News Flash!, Life Found In Outer 
 Space! I think not.
 
 The belief in aliens seems to be a crypto-religious form of group think, 
 much like the belief in angels. It's like a self replicating dogmatic meme, 
 that requires no proof, or even evidence. You can remove the concept of gods 
 from science, that's fine by me, just don't offer up Chance or Probability 
 Theory (all kneel!) as the new god and expect me to worship it.
 
 Now proof of alien life would be when Klaatu lands his flying saucer on the 
 South Lawn of the Whitehouse and shares a Bud Light with Barack Obama and 
 Joe Biden.
 
 Klaatu barada nikto,
 
 Phil Whitmer
 
 
 OK Phil  othershere is some of the PROOF that you wanted!!
 Sounds pretty legit to me! Read the whole thing! Hm-Sounds like my
 post last week about amino acids coming from Comet  Meteorite impacts
 bringing life to Earth from deep Space!
 Time to eat some croweh??
 Kirk...:-)
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] COME ON! Alien Life Topic

[GREG LINDH]

 
Mike, 
 
  This Alien Live thread has been going on for a long, long time.  Did you 
protest this *off topic thread* before?  Why are you responding to me and my 
post?  I'm just a Johnny come lately in this discussion.  I finally just got 
sick and tired of the non-meteorite irrational posts, so I figured I might as 
well take an opposite stand in the discussion.
  Non-meteorite topics constantly come up on The List.  I try to stay out of 
them, but when it just keeps going on and on, and the discussion is for the 
most part, one sided, I get a bit irritated.
  As I've written here on The List before, I'm more than willing to stick 
with discussing just meteorites.  However, I won't be the *only one* who has to 
abide by that rule.  If everyone would only write about meteorites, then you 
would NEVER see me go off topic.
 
  With respect,
 
  Greg Lindh
 



 Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 18:01:22 -0700
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] COME ON! Alien Life Topic
 From: mlbl...@cox.net
 To: gee...@msn.com; joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com
 CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com

 PLEASE stop this Alian Live and Movies/TV
 Crapolla on the METEORITE LIST.
 MLB


 On 9/2/09 10:52 AM, GREG LINDH wrote:



 Hi Phil,

 I pretty much agree with your post. I believe most of those who don't
 believe in God, bow to the own god known as evolution. They are
 determinedhighly motivated to believe in evolution no matter what.
 As for me, I look at the universe around me, from the macro to the micro,
 and all I see is an intricately *designed* universe. I say this knowing that
 my statement doesn't help me here on The List, and that you probably don't
 agree with me either. It just makes me more of an outsider.
 The fact is, I'm a Christian (OO NOO, Greg, DON'T admit that!) It
 get's even worse. I retired from a ministry at San Quentin Prison, so my
 beliefs are strongnot stupid, just strong.
 So, you may not believe in a deity, you may just see the weak arguments for
 evolution. So do I. I just go a step beyond that. I see strong arguments
 for creation.
 In any event, even though we may not be in complete agreement, I do
 appreciate your point of view.
 I also very much appreciate your little reference to The Day The Earth
 Stood Still. Klaatu barada nikto, back at you.

 Greg Lindh


 From: joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 11:24:05 -0400
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Alien Life Topic

 Hi Kirk,

 You do understand the difference between evidence and proof, do you not? No
 one is denying the abundance of building blocks in comets and meteorites.
 You can't swing a dead cat on a rope and not hit a building block. Amino
 acids, glycine, phosphorus, carbon, water, you name it, it's everywhere,
 but it's not alive. Mere organic compounds by themselves are not even close
 to being live. And it's a huge gigantic step requiring more faith than I
 can muster to believe that life is an inevitable consequence of the mere
 presence of building blocks. If it were, there would be life on Mars, and
 scientists would be routinely creating life in the laboratory. Did I miss
 the headlines: News Flash! Life Found On Mars!, or: News Flash!
 Scientist Creates Life In Laboratory!, or News Flash!, Life Found In Outer
 Space! I think not.

 The belief in aliens seems to be a crypto-religious form of group think,
 much like the belief in angels. It's like a self replicating dogmatic meme,
 that requires no proof, or even evidence. You can remove the concept of gods
 from science, that's fine by me, just don't offer up Chance or Probability
 Theory (all kneel!) as the new god and expect me to worship it.

 Now proof of alien life would be when Klaatu lands his flying saucer on the
 South Lawn of the Whitehouse and shares a Bud Light with Barack Obama and
 Joe Biden.

 Klaatu barada nikto,

 Phil Whitmer


 OK Phil  othershere is some of the PROOF that you wanted!!
 Sounds pretty legit to me! Read the whole thing! Hm-Sounds like my
 post last week about amino acids coming from Comet  Meteorite impacts
 bringing life to Earth from deep Space!
 Time to eat some croweh??
 Kirk...:-)

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