Re: [meteorite-list] Carancas: Impact crater vs. impact hole
Hi Sterling, Bernd and List, The iron impactor versus a stone impactor mentioned in the email, is a very interesting concept! As a matter of interest and regarding the Carancas meteorite impact, has anyone taken taken pics. of the reported mushroom cloud mentioned in your email? Regards, José Campos - Original Message - From: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 10:19 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Carancas: Impact crater vs. impact hole Hi, Bernd, List, An excellent attempt at defining the difference, but as Bernd has pointed out there are characteristics of both in Carancas. But, Buchward is seeing things from an iron perspective. An iron will make a much larger impact pit than any stone ever could, as it takes much more energy to vaporize iron than it does to vaporize rock. (The boiling point of iron is 3134 degrees Kelvin, almost double that of even the toughest rocks.) In practical terms, an exploding (vaporizing) iron impactor would probably have to hit at 8 to 10 km/s to create a vaporizing explosion. Buchwald mentions a velocity of 5 km/s as an upper limit to an impact pit. This is because if all the impact energy were converted to heat with full 100% efficiency, it would take a 4.2 km/s impact to vaporize rock. In a real impact, it would take 5 km/s or more to do it. In practice, if we had a vast range of craters to examine, we would find true craters made by stones that were smaller than any true crater made by irons, and iron impact pits larger than the smallest true craters made by stones. There's an interesting complication not often thought about: an iron impact with insufficient energy to vaporize its own iron can be hot enough to vaporize the terrestrial rocks it impacts! So, it's possible that an iron impactor could produce a vaporizing cratering explosion that leaves the impactor (partly) intact! Perhaps this type of crater would occupy the intermediate range between stone and iron craters in the case of iron impactors. Carancas had vaporizing traits: the reported bright flash, the mushroom cloud, and the mysterious vapors all point to a thermal event, but other signs of the heat of a rock-vapor explosion event are missing. I believe that what happened is that only the 5% (to maybe) 10% troilite component of the impactor vaporized (an idea first posted on the List by Piper R. W. Hollier -- going to be academic here and credit my sources). Troilite vaporizes at a much lower temperature than rock -- only 427 degrees C. -- but it would produce a very satisfying explosive shock, excavating the crater, powdering the impactor, releasing hot sulfur into the air and the wet crater. Troilite is almost unknown in the terrestrial environment because it breaks down rapidly at Earth-normal temperatures; vaporized troilite would chemically combine almost instantly. Even the bubbling in the crater, which everybody immediately dismissed, can be explained by the short-term reaction of the troilite-generated (dilute) sulfuric acid in the crater with the native carbonates and the production of hydrogen sulfide. As for what might be found in the crater itself, I suggest that nothing but the free iron component will have remained there, probably having penetrated the crater bottom as far as the native rock allows. Early descriptions of big pieces picked by local institutions show a 15% free iron content, much of it (by weight) in large irregular concentrations (like Portales Valley). That portion is likely in (or under) the crater still. IF it were a ten-ton impactor, there could (might) be a ton of iron down there. (Notice I used the big if.) This type of semi-vaporizing explosion has never been proposed before as far as I know, but the fit of this theoretical model to Carancas is extremely convincing. (Well, I'm convinced anyway.) An investigation of this impact could actually contribute something to our scant knowledge of impact mechanics in the real world, but instead (if the MSNBC article is to be believed) we get ho-hum, another boring H4/5. My, are we spoiled, or what? Sterling K. Webb - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 11:40 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Carancas: Impact crater vs. impact hole Hello All! BUCHWALD V.F. (1975) Handbook of Iron Meteorites, Volume 1, pp. 33-34: For the sake of clarity it should be noted here that giant meteorites can form two types of craters. The smaller crater is more properly called a large impact hole and is geerated by relatively small meteorites ( 50 tons) with relatively low velocities not exceeding 5 km/s. Such meteorites cause mechanical destruction of the ground and are themselves usually broken into a number of fragments upon impact. The major
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite: world dictionary-in progress
Hi Dirk, That sounds like an interesting project! I can confirm that in Portuguese, the word meteorito is correct. I would like to add that in its plural form, is meteoritos . However, on the list of languages given in your site, there is a minor error, in english, for the word Portugese - obviously, it should have been written Portuguese . As a matter of interest: Other Portuguese meteorite related words: meteoroid - meteoroide meteor - meteoro bolide - bólide fireball - bola de fogo smoke trail - rasto de fumo magnitude - magnitude On another note: Iam sorry that I could not activate the Visitor's Map shown at the bottom of your page. I dont know why. Keep well, José Campos Cacém, PORTUGAL Commander, Order of Prince Henry (the Navigator) (1984) Past President, Astronomical Society of Southern Africa (ASSA, South Africa) 1990-91 Honorary Member, ASSA South Africa (1993) Honorary Member ASSA Natal Center, South Africa (1978) Director, Comet Meteor Section, ASSA (1983-1992) Independet co-discoverer of Comet Haneda-Campos D/1978 R1 (from Durban, South Africa, 01SEP78) - Original Message - From: drtanuki [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 3:29 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite: world dictionary-in progress Hello List, If anyone would like to contribute to the world meteorite dictionary, please email me other language names for meteorite not listed on this page. I will cite the first person for each word or correct phonetic pronouciation (from a dictionary please). Thank you. http://meteoritesjapan.com/metdict.aspx Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.1/1079 - Release Date: 19-10-2007 5:10 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] 360* images again
Hi Philippe, Nice photos of NWA 4536 that you have on your site. Merci for sharing them with the List. Is this a found meteorite? José Campos Portugal - Original Message - From: Philippe Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 2:17 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 360* images again Hi Marcin and listees, Thank you for sharing these 360° images, very nice. I added in my website 10 images following the same priciple of the NWA 4536 (EUC) but not a small movie just photos. Direct link: http://www.meteoritica.com/nwa4536.html Thanks for looking and best wishes for all, Philippe Thomas METEORITICA http://www.meteoritica.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.3/1081 - Release Date: 19-10-2007 17:41 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fw: 360* images again
Hi Marcin, The 360º frames of those meteorites in you site, are just great! I find Zag to be quite interesting when seen in this way. Thanks for all the hard work involved into producing all the pics. and for sharing them with the List. Regards, José Campos Portugal PS - I forwarded your link to some friends and /relatives of mine in South Africa, as I am sure they will appreciate it. - Original Message - From: PolandMET [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 6:34 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] 360* images again Hi I keep spamming again :) Tooday I have made some new rotating 360* photos Bassikounou, NWA , MC045, Jilin, Canyon Diablo, Zag And its enough for me for some time. I hope You like it. http://www.PolandMET.com -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.1/1079 - Release Date: 19-10-2007 5:10 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fw: More Peru News, Including Locationa and Trajectory of Peru Impact
Hi Paul, Many thanks for the interesting links on the Titicaca (Carrancas?) meteor fligh path. Best wishes, José Campos Portugal - Original Message - From: Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 8:52 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] More Peru News,Including Locationa and Trajectory of Peru Impact Dear friends, more about the Peru impact, including a figure showing the location of the impact and presumed trajectory of the meteorite can be found in: Mysteries remain over Peru meteorite impact by Jeff Hecht New Scientist, September 28, 2007 http://www.signs-of-the-times.org/articles/show/140757-Mysteries+remain+over+Peru+meteorite+impact Inferred trajectory and location of impact shown at: http://www.signs-of-the-times.org/image/image/3376/dn12704-3_800.jpg Wild theories about meteorite in Peru discounted Globe and Mail, Canada Sep 26, 2007 http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20070926.wmeteor26/BNStory/Science/home It came from space by Margaret Munro , CanWest News Service, September 27, 2007 http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/story.html?id=965de176-30b8-4dcc-99c0-7afb84b996adk=40357 Yours, Paul H. Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.39/1044 - Release Date: 02-10-2007 11:10 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fw: News and Views in Peru
yes, that's correct: caza = hunter; cazameteoritos = meteorite hunter José Campos Portugal - Original Message - From: drtanuki [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 9:40 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] News and Views in Peru Sterling and All, Caza- chasers, hunters. Dirk Ross...Tokyo --- Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, All, Beyond the views of Randall Richard Daniels Gregory on Mike Farmer, it seems that others in Peru are not happy with him. Taking no sides, just the messenger, folks. Here's a Peruvian news article: http://www.larepublica.com.pe/content/view/181193/30/ Here's a cleaned up machine translation: --- [Headline] They try to deal in pieces of the fallen meteorite [Subhead] A group of Americans came with this purpose to Carancas. The president of the Geophysical Institute of Peru (IGP), Ronald Woodman, denounced the group of Americans directed by Michael Farmer (famous searcher of meteors in the world) that tries to deal in remains of the meteorite that fell [down] in the locality of Carancas in the middle of the past September. They sneak in [literally, glide] to initiate the excavations to extract the remains at the border with Bolivia, since the meteorite fell [down] within one kilometer of the border with this country, Woodman declared. It [is] recounted that the group of five North Americans have come to the place with the support of the Police and that seemingly the settlers [villagers] negotiated with these merchants of meteorites. Ronald Woodman said that the cazameteoritos would be taking advantage of the ignorance of the settlers on the real value of the objects. There are not many in the world; they are valuable pieces for museums and collectors, as noted below. The facts: TRAFFIC. The citizen Michael Farmer sold a lunar fragment of approximately 1 kg found near to Agadir (Morocco) for 1.5 million dollars --- It would appear that entering the country from Bolivia, one mile away, with an international airport in nearby LaPaz, is inherently suspicious to some Peruvians. There is an implication (but no direct statement) that trafficing in meteorites is a shady quasi-legal affair, as there is much emphasis on the fact that Mike buys and sells them. I wish I knew what cazameteoritos means but the online translator won't translate it (nor the word caza either). Meteorite traders? Meteorite peddlers? Meteorite Con-men? Sterling K. Webb --- __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.0/1046 - Release Date: 03-10-2007 10:08 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Happy 4th of July
Hi , I wish you all American members on this List, a very happy 4th of July. We have been twice in the USA and me and my wife were always be made welcome, there. Happy meteorite hunting! God Bless America! José Campos Portugal __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fw: Smithsonian Meteorites
Hi Mike, Thanks for sharing your interesting photos taken on your recent visit to the famous Smithsonian Museum in Washington. Allan Hills 84001 martian meteorite must have been quite exciting to see before one's eyes! Surprisingly, - as much as I can judge from your nice photos, - their display does not indicate the weight of the meteorites. Thanks once more. José Campos Portugal - Original Message - From: tett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteoritenliste Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 2:05 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Smithsonian Meteorites Happy Canada Day List! Last week I enjoyed a wonderful time in Washington and was able to see many sites including the Lincoln Memorial, Arlington Cemetery, The Vietnam War memorial and many more. On this trip we also saw the Luray Caverns and Gettysburg. Of course, we also enjoyed some of the Smithsonian Museums. This is a tremendous institution and I was so pleased to see that the displays are free to the public so all could enjoy these national treasures. I am a firm believer that State and National Museums should be free so anyone can study and enjoy science and art treasures without having to pay for it. This is the same premise behind the public library system. Last time I took my family to the Royal Ontario Museum we spent well over $100 entrance fees! I went to the Smithsonian web site and could not find any pictures from there meteorite collection so I thought I would share a few of mine. here you will see some incredible meteorites including: -A gorgeous flow marked Lafayette -ALH84001! Martian meteorite once thought to have fossilized life forms. -Huge Paragould individual with a nice polished face. Also shown is my friend Ernie touching a piece of Mars. In the acrylic box is a slice of Nakla. Ernie is a life long friend who was the principal of my grade school 40 years ago when I was in kindergarten. We now love to travel together to study history and politics from different places. I am looking forward to our trek along the Pilgrim's Trail this fall in Southern England. Please enjoy these photos and if you want larger images just email me. Cheers, Mike Tettenborn http://www.kodakgallery.com/Slideshow.jsp?mode=fromshareUc=2sgymb4f.advl194nUy=r5kav9Ux=0 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.12/878 - Release Date: 28-06-2007 17:57 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fw: new confirmed fall in Spain - link with image
The newspaper article (see link bellow), ) mentions that it might be an achondrite and that it was found by a german professional meteorite hunter, Thomas Grau. José Campos - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] new confirmed fall in Spain - link with image whatever it is, we now know its brecciated: http://www.elpais.com/articulo/sociedad/Hallados/fragmentos/meteorito/atraveso/Peninsula/mayo/elpepusoc/20070611elpepusoc_4/Tes Svend It seems we have a new confirmed meteorite fall in Spain. According to this local press release from AGENCIA EFE, the fireball from May 10, 2007 dropped quite some material. The description speaks of a rare meteorite type with “shiny” black crust which may indicate an eucrite. Here is the source: http://www.laflecha.net/canales/ciencia/noticias/encuentran-fragmentos-del-meteo rito-que-atraveso-la-peninsula-el-10-de-mayo Thanks for your interest. Svend --- I will be in Ensisheim/France until June 17 with little or no internet connection during that time. The account on the Bassikounou meteorite fall is now online: http://www.niger-meteorite-recon.de/en/Bassikounou_Meteorite_1.htm -- www.niger-meteorite-recon.de __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- www.niger-meteorite-recon.de __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.17/850 - Release Date: 15-06-2007 11:31 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New Website
Hello Patrick in Canada! Welcome to the List! (although you have been lurking on this List for some 2 yrs...) Congratulations on your revamped website: I find it to be quite easy to go thru! By the way, re. the Zinder pallasite on your site, you mention: Find 2004 in Niger - but then you go on mentioning that: It was purchased in 2001 by a mineral collector... Well, one of the dates is wrong, as obviously, it cannot be purchased before it was found! :) On another note: Never mind about the Good, the Bad and the Ugly emails that sometimes we come across in this List, but here is an idea to follow for List Members: What are your choices for the GOOD, the BAD and theUGLY. METEORITES? Here is my choice: ESQUELADMIRE CHIANG KHAN José Campos - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 7:11 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] New Website Hello Listoids. I have been a lurker on this list for some time. I enjoy the Good, the Bad and the Ugly! Now I would like to take this opportunity to introduce myself to The List. I am a collector in Canada and I have been collecting meteorites for a few years now. I try to focus on Pallasites, but I have been collecting whatever comes my way. Meteorites have turned from a hobby of mine into a real passion. I have been out a few times to look for them, but Canada is not the best place in the world for that. But I have recently been extremely lucky in the Glorieta Mountain strewnfield. Some of you might have already stumbled across my website - it has been up for about two years now. I have been working feverishly for the past few weeks on a complete revamp, bringing it up to date. If you are interested, please check it out at: www.pallasite.ca Hopefully you will not find too many errors and omissions, but if you do, please point them out to me! I would really appreciate it! So, happy collecting to us all. Let the meteorites fall where they may. and let's go get them!!! See you all in Ensisheim! Regards...,... -- Patrick www.pallasite.ca __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.13/840 - Release Date: 08-06-2007 15:15 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Micrographs: The Perfect Chondrule?
Hi Mike, Ginny and List, What supperb polishing work! And such beautiful pictures! Indeed some kick! Many thanks for sharing them. José Campos - Original Message - From: Mike Groetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 5:36 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Micrographs: The Perfect Chondrule? http://www.coasttocoastam.com/gen/page2037.html?theme=light My wife, Ginny Phillips has submitted some meteorite micrographs in the past that have been used (here here). I thought you might get a kick out of these. I was surprised to see the level of interest and knowledge in the Coast to Coast audience. A lot of cool emails! Way back at the beginning of time (at least for our solar system) particles of space dust were forming in tiny balls, these balls formed larger masses which eventually combined to form planets. I think you could say that was the short version of the story! Any way, meteorite rock (most stone meteorites) is made up of these hardened balls of dust called chondrules. The type class is based on the condition and abundance of these chondrules. Heat and shock alteration has erased evidence of chondrules to some degree in all meteorites. I like to look for chondrules that stand out from their matrix as different and look (at least visually) to be altered very little. These images are of two of these chondrules polished to 1/4 micron and viewed in reflected light and in their natural color. This may be as close as we can get to actually look at the dust balls that eventually built our planet. --Tom Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED] meteorite.com/meteorite-gallery Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.3/809 - Release Date: 17-05-2007 17:18 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Home (finally) and thanks.
Hi Walter! It's so nice to have you back on the List! Welcome back! As for your wife, let me tell you that you have a brave wife! Besides, she kept all of us here on this List, informed on you and on your ups and downs! So, now, keep UP with your excellent progress - and for now, you DO LISTEN TO HER! :) There is a meteorite somewhere out there, waiting for a meeting with you in the near future - but for now, do give sometime to yourself and to your Family. Best wishes to you, to Sabrina and to Rebecka. José Charmaine Campos Cacém - Portugal - Original Message - From: Walter Branch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 1:09 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Home (finally) and thanks. Hello Everyone Well, where do I start. I can't start at the beginning because I don't really remember much of it. Suffice it to say that I am home now. My recovery is nowhere complete as I need 2-3 more surgeries in a few months. I am ambulatory with the aid of a walker and I literally had to learn to walk, batch, lift, etc all over again. I can walk a few feet unaided but I will have to curtail that activity a bit because I fell last night trying to change my shirt and the incident incurred the wrath of my wife! I have four drainage bags either attached to or hanging from my abdomen. Yuck! I have other injuries as well which will take up to a year to heal. Well enough about me. Words cannot adequately express the sincere appreciation I have for your emails, donation of money and meteorites and general hang-in-there support and encouragement. I will try to answer individual emails as my tired body will allow. I lost 25-30 lbs. while in the hospital and I get exhausted easily, I have to rest now but I wanted you all to know how much I appreciate all you have done for me and my family. -Walter Branch __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.6/794 - Release Date: 08-05-2007 14:23 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fw: Greensburg hit with tornado
We are sorry to hear about the sad news. Our local press and TV also reported it. We are hoping for the best for Greensburg and for its people, namely the members of this meteorite List who live there. José and Charmaine Campos Cacém - Portugal - Original Message - From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Greensburg hit with tornado On Sat, 05 May 2007 03:10:13 -0500, you wrote: communication hard, but the storm has finally died down. It had a rain jacket all around it so it could not be seen well. I saw this photo of it on a web site last night after you posted: http://www.kotv.com/news/national/story/?id=126697 100's of rescue workers are on the scene. Injuries are unknown, at least 50 are at area hosptials, no confirmed deaths, which is good and amazing in itself, but it is very early. At least 7 deaths reported so far this morning. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.4/789 - Release Date: 04-05-2007 17:49 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Any news on the Newport Tower meteorite?
Hi List, Can anyone please let us know what happened to that iron-nickel small meteorite found with the help of a large magnet, at the excavation site near the Newport Tower, in October 2006 by some Research Foundation (I cannot remember their name)? Has it been classified and catalogued yet? Many thanks, José Campos Portugal __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Any news on the Newport Tower meteorite?
Hi Charlie and Pete and List, Thanks for your e-mails. I am interested to find out if in fact, and without any doubts, what they found in the excavation close to the Newport Tower, is in fact an iron-nickel meteorite. From the photos, it looks quite small! Would there be enough mass for a proper lab test?? José Campos - Original Message - From: Charlie Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jose Campos [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 6:14 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Any news on the Newport Tower meteorite? Jose, I was the guy who visited the dig and sent the links to the list. I'm still trying to get an answer and will let you and the list know as soon as I know. Charlie No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.4.0/762 - Release Date: 15-04-2007 16:22 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Magnetic rock with free metal inclusions, any idea?
Yes, I agree with Matteo's. José Campos Portugal - Original Message - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Moser Francesco [EMAIL PROTECTED]; ZZ ML Meteorite-List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 5:09 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Magnetic rock with free metal inclusions,any idea? for what I seen its a classic Gabbro Matteo - Original Message - Da : Moser Francesco [EMAIL PROTECTED] A : ZZ ML Meteorite-List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Oggetto : [meteorite-list] Magnetic rock with free metal inclusions, any idea? Data : Sat, 7 Apr 2007 00:51:25 +0200 Hi ALL, some months ago I found a strange green-white rock, it's about 55x35x20mm for about 60g. It attracts the magnet like a LL6 meteorite, Bensour or Benguerir. Some days ago I cut this rock and inside I found some oval white inclusions and a lot of magnetic metallic clast. Here you can find some pictures: http://web.tiscali.it/francesco.moser/outside.jpg http://web.tiscali.it/francesco.moser/slice.jpg http://web.tiscali.it/francesco.moser/metal.jpg Any idea is welcome :-) !! Regards Francesco Moser http://web.tiscali.it/francesco.moser/ IMCA #1510 www.imca.cc __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.22/739 - Release Date: 29-03-2007 13:36 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fw: Oh Boy- Here we go....
Was any suspicious strong odour detected? Sulphur? Rotten eggs?? Any other??? Wast it found to be red hot or just warm.. at body temperature? Send it to a lab a.s.a.p.! - Original Message - From: edward moore To: mark ford ; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Oh Boy- Here we go Hi It gets very confusing with all of the different NWA's, pairing etc Now do we have a new subclass of NWA's?? Non Western Anus Ed mark ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The best has to be ... wait for it ...'Shitcoated-Alin' -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Forbes Sent: 08 March 2007 07:49 To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Oh Boy- Here we go Aaaahh, ha ha ha haaa, If fossilised pooh is called coprolite, what do you call meteorite pooh, or pooh that falls from the sky? I know, sh*tty subject. And to think that once upon a time, trains and planes used to just dump it all in transit. I remember the signage, 'Passengers, do not use toilet at stations.' SPLAT 'Oh, crap.' Fox news is just now reporting that a certain foreign national was arrested at LAX airport with wires hanging off of him. Upon further investigation, they found a piece of chewing gum, some more wire and a rock in his XXX. As the suspect put it- the rock is from another planet and was in there to protect him OK- lets say it is a meteorite ;-) -what will be the official name of the location found? -what lab will(want?)do an analysis on it? -how long until it winds up on eBay? -will it replace the current urgent need for Gao pieces? I needed a grin tonight- this was it. Take care Mike ___ _ Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Advertisement: Fresh jobs daily. Stop waiting for the newspaper. Search now! www.seek.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Eseek%2Ecom%2Ea u_t=757263760_r=Hotmail_EndText_Dec06_m=EXT __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] TLE 2007
Hello Thomas, Thanks for sharing the very nice pictures. Here in Cacém, some 19 kms NW of Lisbon, we had a nice view of the eclipse, although there were some thin, high cirrus passing by, now and then. Local TV stations also showed this eclipse. I recall seeing one eclipse from northern Natal, Zululand, South Africa, that was so dark that the Moon almost became invisible - the view was affected by Mount Pinatubo's ash particles into our atmosphere - also, there were local veld fires. I think it was December 1992. José Campos - Original Message - From: Thomas Tuchan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 3:57 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] TLE 2007 Hello :-) The complete total lunar eclipse is now online : http://www.sternhimmel-ueber-ulm.de/mofi07-1.htm http://www.sternhimmel-ueber-ulm.de/scratch/Mosaik.jpg Thomas New Millenium Observatory Der Sternhimmel über Ulm http://www.sternhimmel-ueber-ulm.de __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fw: Peruvian meteorite crater - friendly warning tohunters that may be considering...
Mr. R. Gergory: What is this? You have sent an unecessary and uncalled for e-mail to the ENTIRE Meteorite List Members, with what it seems to be a veiled threat? Is this what you mean? Please explain us better. That you may have full rights, etc. on that peruvian crater, one can accept it, and I certainly do accept it, but on a more careful reading, it can be considered that you might have gone a bit too far with some of your wording, although the heading calls it a friendly warning... You should have realized that NOT everybody on this List is interested in, to quote you: ...even think about it. Save the peruvian details to yourself and to those who, once caught there, might deserve it, but remember that it will be up to the Peruvian authorities to apply the law. I wish you a good, successful hunting on your peruvian crater. José Campos Portugal - Original Message - From: Randall Gregory To: meteorite List Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 2:44 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Peruvian meteorite crater - friendly warning tohunters that may be considering... Information is expected to be released in April on the Earth Impact Database that will give the exact coordinates to the Peruvian meteorite crater. I have been warned that meteorite hunters will want to turn this site upside down. If anyone wishes to hunt at this site please contact me and we can discuss. Should anyone think about hunting without contacting me. I want you to understand that I have paperwork filing with the Peruvian government giving me mining concession rights to the crater and 100 sq. hectares surrounding the crater. It is a routine matter and approval is expected soon. Even with paperwork pending I still have legal rights here in Peru. I am serious about wanting to keep this crater in pristine condition until scientists have had the opportunity to study it in detail. Peruvian law has very strict laws concerning trespassing, especially when it concerns mines. I will not hesitate to prosecute and trust me, American jails would be considered luxury resorts compared to South American jails. Your sustenance will consist of beans, potatoes, and rice and maybe a piece of chicken if you're lucky. You might get 1 piece of fruit per week. You will have to drink the local water. Diarrhea will be your constant companion. I guarantee you will have non-stop nightmares all night every night. I know the system and I will make every attempt to lengthen your stay. There are ways to block your attempts to contact the American embassy. There is currently a standing reward for reporting to the police, any meteorite hunter that may wander into this area. The reward is equivalent to 6 months income for most of the poor people of this area. They are now watchful and vigilant. The towns of Aplao and Castillo are small. Everybody knows everybody and I have many friends in each. All relevant police agencies have been notified by my Peruvian attorney. My advice, don't even think about it. Alternatively, if you want to hunt at the crater, I am open to discussion, but only after scientific studies have been completed. Randall No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fw: zacataces
Hi Chicagoan Steve Arnold, I think that might be a namewrong for a meteorwrong, or some pong... :) Perhaps you mean ZACATECAS? José Campos - Original Message - From: steve arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 8:44 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] zacataces Hi list.I just wanted to share with you all my soon to be new iron to my collection.A 390 gram slice of ZACATACES,MEXICO.Another pic will follow later,but for now this can be seen on my website under my iron page.Let me know what you think and please sign my guest book. steve Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999!! www.chicagometeorites.net Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] real men meteorites
Hi Bernd, Martin and Jerry - and List: Many thanks for all the info and references on the Old Woman meteorite. Anyone knows who were the 3 gold prospectors? And there was no reward for them?? Does it means that the Smithsonian Institute of Washington has full rights over any meteorite that falls, or is found on federal land all over the entire USA? The info mentions that ...The nickel-iron mass lay wedged among boulders up a dry wash between two mountain slopes. Could it be that it probably fell somwhere further up and that it run downwards until it became wedged among boulders? Was this the only mass found in the area? José - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 9:55 AM Subject: Re-2: [meteorite-list] real men meteorites Hello José, Martin, List: OLD WOMAN METEORITE (Sky Telescope, Vol. 54-3, Sep 1997, p. 192): A three-ton meteorite recently discovered in the Old Woman Mountains of California is the second largest ever found in the United States, outranked only by the 16-ton Willamette, Oregon, meteorite known since 1902. The Old Woman fall is a mass of nickel-iron weighing 6,080 pounds (2,758 kilograms) and measuring 4-by-3-by-21/2 feet (1.2-by-0.9-by-0.8 meters), according to newspaper accounts. It fell, presumably several centuries ago, in an inaccessible desert area 170 miles east of Los Angeles. There it was spotted in March, 1976, by three gold prospectors. They sent chips to the Griffith Observatory and the University of California at Los Angeles, where the meteoritic nature of the object was confirmed. Word of the discovery reached Roy S. Clarke, curator of meteorites at the Smithsonian Institution in Washington, D.C. The U.S. Bureau of Land Management determined that the find had been made on federal land, and gave possession of the meteorite to the Smithsonian. The nickel-iron mass lay wedged among boulders up a dry wash between two mountain slopes. On June 17th, the meteorite was airlifted from this spot by U.S. Marine Corps helicopter, which carried it seven miles to the nearest road. Until the end of June, the Old Woman meteorite was on public display at Riverside, California, and then it was sent to the Smithsonian Institution for scientific study. FUTRELL D.S.(1998) My visit with the Old Woman (Meteorite!, Feb 98, Vol. 4-1, pp. 34-35). NORTON O.R. (1994) The Old Woman Meteorite (Rocks From Space I, 1994, pp.252-255). NORTON O.R. (1998) The Old Woman Meteorite (Rocks From Space II, 1994, pp.252-255, 214). Best regards, Bernd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fw: the lunar meeorite from morocco
OK... now don't you List, dare to start an argument on this one...:) PS -I am not sure about that meteorite, but IF he happens to be Mother Teresa of Calcutta, we are all in big trouble...:) :) :) Simile Mateo, smile! José Campos - Original Message - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 5:08 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] the lunar meeorite from morocco and if this is a lunar meteorite I am Mother Teresa of Calcutta Matteo --- adrar fossile [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: there all members of list . i'm mohamed ait ouzrou , from morocco i think that majorite of list know me , so in the link below are some wonder pieces if some one like them can contact me , in the adress email [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.4shared.com/file/10828031/925d185c/lunar_meteorites_for_sale.html good health to all list , Mohamed ait ouzrou - Découvrez une nouvelle façon d'obtenir des réponses à toutes vos questions ! Profitez des connaissances, des opinions et des expériences des internautes sur Yahoo! Questions/Réponses. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30173 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ L'email della prossima generazione? Puoi averla con la nuova Yahoo! Mail: http://it.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Old Woman Meteorite
Hi Mark and Bernd, (thru the List): Thanks for all the info, references and pics received on the Old Woman meteorite. You are a mine of interesting information. Again, obrigado. José Campos Portugal - Original Message - From: MARK BOSTICK [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 10:29 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Old Woman Meteorite The finders were David Friburg, Mike Jendruczak and Hack Harwood. http://www.meteoritearticles.com/znp06191977.html And there was no reward for them?? The Smithsonian did offer them a reward, but it was far less then the $1 million they wanted. The finders took the position it was a million or nothingand got nothing. I have at least 100 Old Woman NPA's in my archive, of which only a few are listed here: http://www.meteoritearticles.com/znpoldwoman.html Clear Skies, Mark __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] real men meteorites
Hi Jerry and List, That's a verey curious photograph. Can anyone please elucidate me what meteorite is this? And what's its weight? Thanks in advance. José Campos Portugal - Original Message - From: Gerald Flaherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 10:02 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] real men meteorites That's me in the back with the cap on. Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 3:31 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] real men meteorites http://www.goldprospectors.org/magazine/archive_images/meteorite.jpg :-) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] real men meteorites
Hi Martin, Many thanks for your info. 2753 kg! It's quite some rock... José Campos - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Jose Campos' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 11:21 PM Subject: AW: [meteorite-list] real men meteorites Hi Jose, seems the list isn't accessible form e at the moment. It's Old Woman, California 2753kg IIB Found 1976 Martininho -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Jose Campos Gesendet: Dienstag, 20. Februar 2007 23:51 An: Gerald Flaherty; Meteorite List Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] real men meteorites Hi Jerry and List, That's a verey curious photograph. Can anyone please elucidate me what meteorite is this? And what's its weight? Thanks in advance. José Campos Portugal - Original Message - From: Gerald Flaherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 10:02 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] real men meteorites That's me in the back with the cap on. Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 3:31 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] real men meteorites http://www.goldprospectors.org/magazine/archive_images/meteorite.jpg :-) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Iris Lang
Geoff Notkin, These are sad news. I only know Iris and her husband from this List. However, please convey to Iris Lang and her husband our best wishes for a speedy and full recovery. I would like to see them both, back and active on the List. Charmaine and José Campos Portugal - Original Message - From: Notkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 9:58 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Iris Lang Dear Listees: I have the unhappy duty of informing you that our friend and colleague Iris Lang has suffered a heart attack. She is convalescing in Florida where she has friends and family nearby. Her doctors believe the episode was the result of an existing condition aggravated by stress related to recent events. I'm sure you will all want to join me in wishing her a full and speedy recovery. Anyone who would like to send a card or flowers, please contact me off-List and I will provide you with her mailing address in Florida. Sincerely, Geoff N. Aerolite Meteorites Tucson, AZ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Update on Walter
Hi Sabrina, We are glad to hear such good news and we wish Walter a good, speedy recovery. Our thoughts and prayers are with you. José and Charmaine Campos Portugal - Original Message - From: Walter Branch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 1:48 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Update on Walter Hello Everyone, First, let me thank you for all of the e-mails. I have been printing them out so that Walter can see them when he is better. I just returned from the hospital. Walter had a tracheotomy today. He is still on the ventilator so he will not be able to talk but at least he will be able to form words better so maybe I can understand him easier. His kidney functioning is just a tad better than yesterday. For those of you who know the terms, his creatnine level went from 3.5 to 2.9. We want it to be 1.5 or lower. The chest tube was removed yesterday and the cervical collar was removed this morning. He is able to move better now. He is still very sedated due to agitation and pain. On Monday, I did get to talk to him and he could nod yes and no. I told him that I was e-mailing all of you and he nodded that he understood. As he gets better I am sure he will tell me or indicate what I should tell you but for now I just wanted him to know how many people are thinking and praying for him. Rebekah went to the pediatrician yesterday and got a clean bill of health. She goes to the orthopedic surgeon tomorrow to check the pelvic fracture. She is moving around so well she tires herself out before she realizes. Please continue to keep us in your thoughts and prayers. I know that is what is making the difference in Walter's still being alive and in his recovery. Thank you for all that you have done! Sabrina Branch __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Walter Branch
Hello Sabrina, We are very sorry to hear the sad news about Walter and your daughter. This is a time in a life when you have to be mentaly extra strong! We pray for Walter and Rebekah's good recovery. Plse keep us and the List informed on their progress. José and Charmaine Campos Portugal - Original Message - From: Walter Branch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 11:58 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Walter Branch Hello, I am Walter Branch's wife, Sabrina. On Friday, Walter and our daughter were in an accident. Walter is in critical condition in Trauma ICU. He has numerous internal injuries including 5 broken ribs, a punctured lung, a bruised lung, a ruptured diaphragm (repaired Friday night), his kidneys are not functioning as they should, his spleen was removed, and he had a compound fracture of the right femur. He is under heavy sedation due to agitation, but when they back off the sedation, he is alert and in a great deal of pain. He is on minimum life support at the moment. When I saw him yesterday, I asked him if I should let all of you know and he nodded yes. Please keep us in your prayers. Our daughter is home from the hospital with a concussion, whip lash, and a fractured pelvis. If Walter had an on-going transaction with you, please be patient. As soon as he is able to tell me what to do, I will try to do what I can. Sincerely, Sabrina Branch __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fw: Green MOON OVER TUCSON-photo
Hey Doug, Thats quite some rock you are holding in that picture! Thank you to you and to all at Chladni's Heir's there, for sharing it with us. Enjoy your 2007 Tucson Show, I wish I coukd be there! José Campos Portugal - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 6:02 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Green MOON OVER TUCSON-photo Hello List, with such a brilliant moon above us these evenings, Tucson a.k.a., The Old Pueblo is the METEORITICALLY ENDOWED city to be, which such a tradition of attracting the most fabulous planetary specimens every February. This year is no exception! Please enjoy the follow photo from Tucson today at this link - but there is no substitute for seeing in up and close in person: http://www.diogenite.com/luna606.jpg For those not so fortunate to peruse the fantastic selection in the dealers' hotel rooms, I wanted to pass along this picture which I feel on top of the world to have been fortunate to get thanks to the very gracious group in Chladni´s Heir´s (room 334 on the second floor of the InnSuites Hotel 2nd floor). In it you can see me grinning like possum holding the 606 GRAM BIG GREEN REGMAGLYPTED LUNAR NWA 3163/4483. Like in years before when Bob Haag was so kind to let me hold his Calcalong Creek and Mike his Holy Grail (Sadly I missed Greg´s main mass an Tucson last year), this year I must extend my congratulations to Stefan, Martin and Andi for a mind-bogglingly attractive new recovery of this lunar beauty. The weather is a bit nippy in the evenings and has drizzled a bit during the last two days, but we look forward to a warm and Sunny weekend. Rubbing elbows with the grande dame of meteoritika, the editor of Meteorite Magazine, the TV stars, and all of the famous meteorite hunting desert vacuum cleaners, stone cutter and iron sculpters, Rusty Bill and the Russians who have made it against all odds, and the many Moroccan friends - we are fortunate to have, Best health, Doug Testen Sie das neue, kostenlose AOL eMail: 2 GB Speicherplatz mit marktführendem Spam- und eMail-Virenschutz. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fw: Namibia: So Much Potential But Not EnoughFunds (Hoba Meteorite)
Hi Sterling and List, The first europeans to sail along the coast of present day Namibia, was the portuguese sea navigator Diogo Cam in 1483; he erected on the coast a padrão (a limestone column with the portuguese coat of arms and an engraved inscription and a small cross on top). In fact, on another trip further south, he erected another one, I think in 1485. One of these padrão has been kept in a german museum for quite a number of years. Next, was Bartolomeu Dias, who also placed aonother padrão at Dias Point, he went on sailing much further down the east african coast and rounding the Cape to which then, he called it the Cape of Storms, but on his return voyage back to Lisbon, King Dom João II of Portugal changed the name to Cape of Good Hope, as it is know to this day. The Namibian coast (previously South West Africa), become known as the Skeleton Coast because of the many shipwrecks that happened on that feared stretch of coast land, with sandbanks, dangerous currents and fog. In those days of sea discovery, there were no known maps and they knew nothing about winds and sea currents. No GPS either! :) NAMIBIA has, I think, 13 know meteorites, the most famous ones are the HOBA ~60 Tons and the GIBEON (several large masses) of which I have seen the 880 kg one (among others), at the South African Museum, Cape Town in 1982. José Campos Portugal - Original Message - From: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 9:28 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Namibia: So Much Potential But Not EnoughFunds (Hoba Meteorite) Hi, Dave, List, Somebody's doing some good PR for Namibia. Take the name Namibia. If you look at the nice Wikipedia article on Namibia, the facts are all there: one of the lowest population densities in the world, one of the most rain-deprived countries in the world (like none), one of the least blessed by economic resources, a sad history, and so forth. But nowhere in the article will you find the name that Namibia went by for centuries: THE SKELETON COAST. Getting people to stop calling you The Skeleton Coast is a good job of PR. There's just something about the name The Skeleton Coast that puts people off, don't you think? Sterling K. Webb --- - Original Message - From: Dave Freeman mjwy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 1:53 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Namibia: So Much Potential But Not Enough Funds (Hoba Meteorite) Sounds like a great tourist destination, a big rock, alcoholics and drug addicts, crime, town in debt up to their ears, danger of electricity amd water being turned off, high unemployment, and a large military presence. Well pack my bags! Poorly thought out release by Mr. Kangueehi, maybe the spoof and phish people will move to Namibia for the new center of commerce. Dave F. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Microbe Experiment Suggests We Could All BeMartians
Hi Rob, The REAL PROBLEM is that, the probability to find INTELLIGENT Life on Earth, so far, is...0% :) José Campos - Original Message - From: Rob McCafferty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 9:44 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Microbe Experiment Suggests We Could All BeMartians I cannot help but wonder whether there is something deeply ingrained in the human psyche which requires us to believe there is life out there. This is a very clever and compelling theory but ignores the effects of millions of years in space subject to cosmic rays, solar flares and so on. Why is it so difficult to believe that life actually started here? Even if it did start on mars, the questions why and how still remain. I can imagine the headlines, HUGE SHOCK! LIFE FOUND ON EARTH Intelligent?? RMcC --- Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.guardian.co.uk/space/article/0,,1989474,00.html Microbe experiment suggests we could all be Martians Ian Sample The Guardian (United Kingdom) January 13, 2007 Life on Earth may have announced its arrival billions of years ago with a whistle and a thump, according to planetary scientists. Experiments by an international team of researchers back a controversial theory that life flourished on Earth after primitive organisms arrived aboard a meteorite, itself gouged from Mars by a giant impact. The theory supposes that life was able to gain a tentative foothold on the red planet as it cooled down and became more hospitable several billion years ago. At the time, the planet's surface was regularly bombarded with rocky detritus from the asteroid belt, knocking clumps of rock and the microbes living on them into space, where the gravity of the sun brought them hurtling towards Earth. Charles Cockell, at the Open University, who studies microbes in extreme environments, joined a team of German and Russian scientists to test whether microbes could survive the enormous shock of being blasted into space and crash landing on another planet. They gathered colonies of micro-organisms including cyanobacteria, which live in rocky fissures, lichen, which smother their surfaces, and spores of the hardy bacterium Bacillus subtilis, and sandwiched them between slices of gabbro, a coarse-grained rock similar to that known to make up Martian meteorites. The researchers then used high explosives to fire a steel plate at the sandwiched organisms and after each shot transferred the microbes to a dish to see if any had survived. The shocks were equivalent to those suffered by Martian meteorites that have been found on Earth, with pressures of up to 50 billion pascals. One pascal is equivalent to the pressure exerted by a £5 note resting on a surface. The pressure in a car tyre is equivalent to 200,000 pascals. To their surprise, the scientists found the lichen and bacterial spores survived all but the most cataclysmic impacts up to 45 billion pascals. The cyanobacteria survived shocks of up to 10 billion pascals. The findings support the theory of lithopanspermia, which suggests life may be spread from one planet to another aboard lumps of rock that are knocked off the surface. Writing in the journal Icarus, the scientists state: These results strongly confirm the possibility of a 'direct transfer' scenario of 'lithopanspermia' for the route from Mars to Earth, or from any Mars-like planet to other habitable planets in the same stellar system. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail QA for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396546091 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fw: Comet McNaught report from the Rhein-Main Area
Hi List, Also from sunny Portugal - after almost 3 weeks of glorious sunshine, TODAY Sunday 14th Jan007 the sky was...overcast!! So, I could not see the Daylight Comet shining as a - 5 magnitude object! I had to content with SOHO pics... José Campos Cacém, Portugal - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 6:31 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Comet McNaught report from the Rhein-Main Area Hello Cometaries, Well, we finally had a sunny Sunday and a beautiful sunset to look forward to after several days of rain and drizzle. I drove out into the fields where I was able to enjoy an unobstructed view of the western sky but my efforts to locate and observe McNaught came to naught. Mr McNaught was n a u g h t seen ... too close to the horizon, too close to the Sun :-(( Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fw: Fw: Meteors Light Up Morning Sky in Colorado
- Original Message - From: Jose Campos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chris Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 1:15 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Meteors Light Up Morning Sky in Colorado Hi Chris, When I say more than a few seconds for fireballs, I do mean less than a minute, as IN COMPARISSON to man made space debris; Of course, there are fireballs that last some 30s or so - I have seen a few of them - the one that you claim to have lasted 45s is most unsual, but certainly it is possible to last this long. Yes, the minimum speed for a meteor is about 11 km/s - that's way these are called slow meteors, - but by far, the vast majority of meteors we see, are much faster, namely in the early morning sky. Luminous trails produced by man made space junk, are notoriously, SLOW moving objects - as compared to the average meteor. The time duration of their visibility is on ther order of a minute at least, more often 2 or 3 minutes - not only seconds (in this instance, by seconds, I mean less than 1 min.). Most visual observers, with some experience, would say that the event seen in the sky in Colorado on the 4th of this month, was made not by meteors, but by space debris - even from a video such as the one shown, running at its normal speed. José Campos PS- Good night to all, on that side of the word - here in Portugal its now 01h15 AM. - Original Message - From: Chris Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 11:21 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Meteors Light Up Morning Sky in Colorado Hi José- Fireballs can certainly be visible for more than a few seconds. This one: http://www.cloudbait.com/science/fireball20061001.html was visible for at least 45 seconds. I've recorded several others that were at least 15 seconds long. People under the central part of the Peekskill path saw it for about 30 seconds. The Grand Teton fireball was about 30 seconds. Tagish Lake produced a fireball at least 15 seconds long. Reentering space debris is not necessarily traveling at a much lower speed than natural meteors. An object decaying from low Earth orbit (which would seem to describe all space junk) has a speed of about 8 km/s, and a slow meteor has a speed of about 11 km/s. Of course, most meteors will be faster (up to 71 km/s), but the famous slow fireballs have very similar characteristics to decaying space junk- low speed and shallow entry angles- and may similarly be seen for many seconds. Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: Jose Campos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 3:46 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Meteors Light Up Morning Sky in Colorado Hi Gary, By space debris, I meant several pieces of a MAN MADE spacecraft, desintegrating thru the Earth's atmosphere. Sorry about the confusion. As regarding time, a meteor's visibility lasts only a few seconds, whereas for man made space debris, as it travells at a much slower speed, it's burning trail becomes visible for a few minutes. The video shown on CNN is quite spectacular. I have seen a similar event, some 20 yrs ago (?), at night, over the Indian Ocean, when I was walking with friends on the beac front in Durban, South Africa. This event was seen by many people. The next day, it was reported on south african newspapers and TV. The visibility of a meteor, even a -14 mag fireball, (that is as bright as the full moon), will not last longer than a few seconds, at most. José Campos __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Meteors Light Up Morning Sky in Colorado
Hi Chris, Thanks for your e-mail. I fully agree with what you say. The updated ground path of the re-entering debris of the 2nd satage of the russian Soyuz SL-4 rocket on your site is most interesting. as well as, the video and the picture of this event caught by the camera at Claudbait Observatory.. May I suggest that on the map of the ground path you also plot the position of the Observatory? All the best for 2007. José Campos - Original Message - From: Chris Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Meteors Light Up Morning Sky in Colorado Hi José- There's no doubt that the vast majority of meteors last at most a few seconds. But there is a class of fireballs which are usually seen in the early evening, produced by low eccentricity prograde bodies. When these bodies enter at a shallow angle, they can produce fireballs that are seen for a good fraction of a minute, or even longer. Fireballs like this, while rare, are still more common than reentering space junk (especially large junk like the recent rocket body). So while it's certainly true that reentering space junk is slow compared with the average meteor, it isn't much slower than the average shallow fireball witnessed over a wide area. I think it would be very unusual for space junk to be seen for much longer than a minute by any one observer (although a three minute path is certainly possible, as it is also for a natural meteor). A piece of debris with a three minute incandescent path will be quite high, and not experiencing very high drag forces. It will have a path length of about 1200 km. That is too long for a single observer to see the entire thing. It may burn for three minutes, but few are in a position to see all of it. When I saw the video for the Colorado event, I immediately thought reentry. The low speed was certainly a part of this, but the primary indicator for me was the exact nature of the breakup. Even very fragile meteoroids don't show the same degree of fragmentation this did. That's not surprising, considering that any meteoroid is likely to be much more homogeneous than a 10 meter long collection of sheet metal, pipes, nuts and bolts! It was breaking into hundreds, maybe thousands of individual fragments- something I've never seen in any natural fireball caught on video. Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: Jose Campos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 3:29 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Fw: Meteors Light Up Morning Sky in Colorado Hi Chris, When I say more than a few seconds for fireballs, I do mean less than a minute, as IN COMPARISSON to man made space debris; Of course, there are fireballs that last some 30s or so - I have seen a few of them - the one that you claim to have lasted 45s is most unsual, but certainly it is possible to last this long. Yes, the minimum speed for a meteor is about 11 km/s - that's way these are called slow meteors, - but by far, the vast majority of meteors we see, are much faster, namely in the early morning sky. Luminous trails produced by man made space junk, are notoriously, SLOW moving objects - as compared to the average meteor. The time duration of their visibility is on ther order of a minute at least, more often 2 or 3 minutes - not only seconds (in this instance, by seconds, I mean less than 1 min.). Most visual observers, with some experience, would say that the event seen in the sky in Colorado on the 4th of this month, was made not by meteors, but by space debris - even from a video such as the one shown, running at its normal speed. José Campos PS- Good night to all, on that side of the word - here in Portugal its now 01h15 AM. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fw: some Japanese researchers question US Coloradofall
RE: [meteorite-list] some Japanese researchers question US Colorado fallHi Robert Matson, You have stated the issue quite clearly! Certainly, the video alone is a good evidence against it being a meteor. I recall the wide publicity all over, given to SKYLAB re-entry in 1979. At that time, South Africa was listed by tle local news media, as a possible target and that generated some worries among some members of the public. A colleague of mine, Andrew Gray (A.S.S.A. Natal Centre), received quite a few phone calls from worried members of the public, among them, an old lady from Durban, who lived alone with her pet, wanted to know where would be the safest place for her to go, because she was worried about her cat... Anyway, the space debris of SKYLAB fell over the Indian Ocean and some fell over Australia. Re-entries of this magnitude are indeed very rare. José Campos Portugal - Original Message - From: Matson, Robert To: Alexander Seidel ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 9:13 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] some Japanese researchers question US Coloradofall Hi Alex and List, Yep, out here -- just working a program offsite so don't have as easy access to my e-mail. Marco already did an excellent job forwarding the precise info for this rocket body reentry -- there is zero chance this was anything else. The video alone is ample evidence against it being a meteor. Velocity, velocity, velocity -- it tells you every time. Like Alex, I would love to have seen this in person. And as for packing bags, why not? Space junk reentries are MUCH MUCH rarer than meteorite-producing meteors! Dirk opined: If you believe all of what you read or watch on TV or what your government tells you, then you can state what you have stated. Both events will be confirmed within a day or so, so let`s wait for the facts to hopefully come out. Indications are not facts, but they may be proven later to be fact. Can't yet speak to the New Jersey iron-bearing specimen, but you can certainly consider the Soyuz reentry to be FACT. I've got the satellite tracking code and data to prove it -- no need to rely on news outlets (which I would never trust to get a developing space/astronomy/science story correct). Cheers, Rob __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Meteors Light Up Morning Sky in Colorado
Hi Gary, By space debris, I meant several pieces of a MAN MADE spacecraft, desintegrating thru the Earth's atmosphere. Sorry about the confusion. As regarding time, a meteor's visibility lasts only a few seconds, whereas for man made space debris, as it travells at a much slower speed, it's burning trail becomes visible for a few minutes. The video shown on CNN is quite spectacular. I have seen a similar event, some 20 yrs ago (?), at night, over the Indian Ocean, when I was walking with friends on the beac front in Durban, South Africa. This event was seen by many people. The next day, it was reported on south african newspapers and TV. The visibility of a meteor, even a -14 mag fireball, (that is as bright as the full moon), will not last longer than a few seconds, at most. José Campos - Original Message - From: Gary K. Foote [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 12:02 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Meteors Light Up Morning Sky in Colorado I'm confused by your post. What do you mean by 'space debris'? If the time was too short for space debris and it was also not a meteoroid then what are you suggesting? Befuddled Gary On 4 Jan 2007 at 23:21, Jose Campos wrote: Hi List, I fully agree with Marco Langbroek's comments. It was no meteor. The article written by Laura Bailey (Jan 4 2007) for THE COLORADOAN, mentions that onlookers reported that it could be seen for about 30 seconds. That is too short a time for space debris, unless if it was seen at a low altitude in relation to the horizon, or if it was due to some partial sky obstruction (clouds, trees, buildings). Usually, this kind of display lasts for some 2 to 3 minutes or even slightly longer.. José Campos - Original Message - From: Marco Langbroek [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 5:32 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteors Light Up Morning Sky in Colorado Dear Ron and List, Thank you Ron and all of the posters on this fall. This is a case where people had better have their geiger counters along. As Ron and others may have found out it may contain some radioactive material. Best, Dirk Ross..Tokyo Not likely you need a geiger counter. It is a normal Soyuz rocket stage. Place, track and time closely coincide with the predicted re-entry of a stage of the Soyuz rocket (06-063B, #29679) used to launch the French COROT space telescope on December 27th from Baikonur. The sighting is only a few minutes later than the nominal predicted decay time, and at the correct geographic location and direction of movement from the last know orbit for this object. The slow movement on the video (assuming the video was real speed) corroborates it was this decay rather than a meteor. - Marco - Dr Marco Langbroek Dutch Meteor Society (DMS) e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: http://www.dmsweb.org priv. website: http://home.wanadoo.nl/marco.langbroek - __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NJO Votes - Update Jan 5
Here is my vote: Meteorwrong! José Campos - Original Message - From: McCartney Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 10:31 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] NJO Votes - Update Jan 5 We have so far: Meteorite - 3 Meteorwrong - 8 Brushed up nantan/other - 3 Betean Fuel rod - 1 Abstain - 5 Still taking votes, email off list if you wish an anonymous vote. -mt IMCA 2760 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fw: Meteors Light Up Morning Sky in Colorado
Hi List, I fully agree with Marco Langbroek's comments. It was no meteor. The article written by Laura Bailey (Jan 4 2007) for THE COLORADOAN, mentions that onlookers reported that it could be seen for about 30 seconds. That is too short a time for space debris, unless if it was seen at a low altitude in relation to the horizon, or if it was due to some partial sky obstruction (clouds, trees, buildings). Usually, this kind of display lasts for some 2 to 3 minutes or even slightly longer.. José Campos - Original Message - From: Marco Langbroek [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 5:32 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteors Light Up Morning Sky in Colorado Dear Ron and List, Thank you Ron and all of the posters on this fall. This is a case where people had better have their geiger counters along. As Ron and others may have found out it may contain some radioactive material. Best, Dirk Ross..Tokyo Not likely you need a geiger counter. It is a normal Soyuz rocket stage. Place, track and time closely coincide with the predicted re-entry of a stage of the Soyuz rocket (06-063B, #29679) used to launch the French COROT space telescope on December 27th from Baikonur. The sighting is only a few minutes later than the nominal predicted decay time, and at the correct geographic location and direction of movement from the last know orbit for this object. The slow movement on the video (assuming the video was real speed) corroborates it was this decay rather than a meteor. - Marco - Dr Marco Langbroek Dutch Meteor Society (DMS) e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: http://www.dmsweb.org priv. website: http://home.wanadoo.nl/marco.langbroek - __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Happy New 2007!
Hello List, Portugal is only 30 minutes from entering into 2007! We wish you ALL a Happy, Succesfull New Year and may a nice meteorite fall on your backyard! José and Charmaine Campos Portugal __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fw: Merry Christmas
To ALL on the List: A Merry Christmas, FELIZ NATAL and a Happy New Orbit! José Campos Portugal - Original Message - From: Stefan Brandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2006 10:46 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Merry Christmas Merry Christmas and a very happy new year 2007 to all of you! All the best, Stefan __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day -December14, 2006
Yes, and after all, they are listed in the Meteorite CAT-alog (american, I think), or CAT-alogue (english )..or CAT-álogo (Portuguese )! Meow! José Campos Portugal - Original Message - From: Don Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day -December14, 2006 --- Matthias Bärmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even a Cat Mountain meteorite exists: http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/SIC/arizona_meteorites/popups/cat_mtn.html Mououwwwouwwwouooo ! (sound of a lunatic cat, don't know whether a monomeouw or a polymeouw one) Maybe we could also add: CAT-herwood De-CAT-urville Ma-CAT-uba Nor-CAT-eur Puente del Za-CAT-e Santa CAT-harina Wild-CAT Peak and both Za-CAT-ecas Meow! __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Info needed
Dave, I appreciate your high degree of precision... and your vast knowledge of my country of birth...:) The Macua (or Makua for english speaking people), are the largest etnic group of Mozambique, 5 million of them, nice, friendly people, out of a grandtotal population of 19.406.000 (2005). Besides their own language Macua, they speak Portuguese as well. The Macua live mainly in 3 of Mozambique's provinces: Cabo Delgado, Nampula (where I was born), and Zambezia, some 258.800 sq Kms in round numbers. May a nice meteorite fall in your backyard... Best wishes, José Campos Portugal - Original Message - From: Dave Carothers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jose Campos [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 12:39 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Info needed Coordinates appear to be 14° 55' 20S / 37° 51' 56E Dave - Original Message - From: Jose Campos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 7:28 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Info needed Hi Mateo and List, It also seems to me, that on the photo shown by Mateo, the E. Africa stands for East Africa: I was born in Mozambique in 1945 - what was known as Portuguese East Africa - until its independence from Portugal in 1975. For the Macua tribe (who live in north of Mozambique, the same region where I was born), the word MUANA means child, kid, and also, there is vaguely, an area known as terras de muana (lands of muana), - but I do not know its coordinates. Could this area in northern Mozambique be related to the meteorite shown in the photo? José Campos Portugal - Original Message - From: MexicoDoug [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Info needed Hi Bernd, A treatment with Babelfish at www.altavista.com tells us that Poglica is a word with a complex indoeuropean etymology, including most closely from Slavic. Apparently it most recently means button, and earlier was derived from roundish things like goiter and roundish ball. Interesting observation on the E for East Africa. Apparently Muana is also a Congolese surname (Ivory Coast (Cote d'Ivoire) and Camaroon were also mentioned). It doesn't look much like an Ivory Coast tektite, but that's what I dug out of the Internet and probably is more than a coincidence for the locality. Might check into the e. African Galim locality meteorites from place name Adamoua, Cameroon. Good luck! Doug - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 3:14 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Info needed Muana Poglica: http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/6839/muanaan2.jpg As for the Muana Poglica, the label says E(ast) Africa not S(outh) Africa, although this doesn't help much. I did a Google search and found the second part of the word Poglica but the texts are written with Cyrillic letters. Maybe Sergey can help here. in another museum I have found this meteorite without any info, the crust is complete and fresh, and the face broken show this matrix green color with metal and grey chondrules: http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/6710/1mu1.jpg Hello, Holbrook experts out there. Could that be a fresh Holbrook??? Best regards, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Info needed
Hi Mateo and List, It also seems to me, that on the photo shown by Mateo, the E. Africa stands for East Africa: I was born in Mozambique in 1945 - what was known as Portuguese East Africa - until its independence from Portugal in 1975. For the Macua tribe (who live in north of Mozambique, the same region where I was born), the word MUANA means child, kid, and also, there is vaguely, an area known as terras de muana (lands of muana), - but I do not know its coordinates. Could this area in northern Mozambique be related to the meteorite shown in the photo? José Campos Portugal - Original Message - From: MexicoDoug [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Info needed Hi Bernd, A treatment with Babelfish at www.altavista.com tells us that Poglica is a word with a complex indoeuropean etymology, including most closely from Slavic. Apparently it most recently means button, and earlier was derived from roundish things like goiter and roundish ball. Interesting observation on the E for East Africa. Apparently Muana is also a Congolese surname (Ivory Coast (Cote d'Ivoire) and Camaroon were also mentioned). It doesn't look much like an Ivory Coast tektite, but that's what I dug out of the Internet and probably is more than a coincidence for the locality. Might check into the e. African Galim locality meteorites from place name Adamoua, Cameroon. Good luck! Doug - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 3:14 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Info needed Muana Poglica: http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/6839/muanaan2.jpg As for the Muana Poglica, the label says E(ast) Africa not S(outh) Africa, although this doesn't help much. I did a Google search and found the second part of the word Poglica but the texts are written with Cyrillic letters. Maybe Sergey can help here. in another museum I have found this meteorite without any info, the crust is complete and fresh, and the face broken show this matrix green color with metal and grey chondrules: http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/6710/1mu1.jpg Hello, Holbrook experts out there. Could that be a fresh Holbrook??? Best regards, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What else do you collect?
I used to collect stamps, (in general), but since around 1980, I collect only stamps that are thematic to Astronomy and Space Exploration; I have a large collection of the Sky Telescope magazine, since 1965 (some nºs are missing, unfortunately); I am also interested in books on Astronomy and in books related to both Portuguese and Spanish sea discoveries of the 15th and 16th Centuries; as well as ancient Maps; and military uniforms and badges; and minerals and fossils and of course, meteorites (not that many, yet...) - as against my wife's, who collects coins and tea-pots! José Campos Portugal - Original Message - From: Marco Langbroek [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 6:09 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What else do you collect? At the moment I do not actively collect things, but besides meteorites I have the following collections: - books by W.E. Johns (I am member of the International Biggles Association); - books on the exploration of New Guinea; - wartime propaganda books by the Dutch Government in Exile. I also have a bit of Asmat art Asmat artifacts, but wouldn't dare to call it a collection (3 pieces, all inherited from my granddad). In a figurative sense, I collect asteroids (discovered a number of them). - Marco :-) - Dr Marco Langbroek Dutch Meteor Society (DMS) e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] private website http://home.wanadoo.nl/marco.langbroek DMS website http://www.dmsweb.org - __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - Wednesday, November 22, 2006
Ditto! Ditto! Hear! Hear! José Campos - Original Message - From: Gerald Flaherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - Wednesday, November 22, 2006 Outstanding oddity Marcin!! Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 7:55 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - Wednesday,November 22, 2006 Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - Wednesday, November 22, 2006 http://www.spacerocksinc.com/November_22.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fw: Astronomy Picture of the Day
Hi Stefan, Thanks for the link. However, the captation that goes with it says: Quote If you are lucky enough to find a meteorite just after impact, do not pick it up -- parts of it are likely to be either very hot or very cold. End of quote. That is unfortunately, quite a common popular belief, that from an educational point of view, must be fought off. During the meteorite's free fall to the ground, it has enough time to cool down to the point that, on being pick up from the ground, a person do not experiences any heat or, for that matter any cold from it - and its temperature will not be much different from any other stone near by. José Campos Portugal - Original Message - From: Stefan Brandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 10:29 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Astronomy Picture of the Day Nice pic of the day today! http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ Stefan __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Astronomy Picture of the Day
Hi David, I suppose that you mean the METEOROID (and not the meteorite), has spent eons in space temperature. As you know, when the METEOR enters our atmosphere, it is quicky heated as it passes through the denser layers of the Earth's atmosphere, reaching a surface temperature of around 2000 K at aprox. 80 Kms height - but only a few thenths of a millimiter inwards from its surface, will be heated to that temperature. This surface temperature depends on several parameters, such as its orbital velocity relative to Earth's, its angle of entry thru the atmosphere, its mass and the amount of its surface exposed to ablation. This process takes only a few seconds, but if it does not loose all its mass during the flight thru the atmosphere, it slows down to a critical velocity of around 3 km per second - that's when it stops shining and its surface COOLS DOWN to form the typical crust that we often see on METEORITES. As it reaches its terminal velocity, it starts a free fall towards the ground - that phase is called the dark flight (obvioulsly, seldom mentioned in popular newspaper articles), and it LASTS FEW MINUTES - enough time to cancel off what might still be left of its initial low internal body temperature, if any, at that stage. When you pick the meteoriteup from the ground, it does not feel to be abnormally hot (as sometimes claimed), neither abnormally cold. Regards, José Campos Portugal - Original Message - From: David Pensenstadler To: Jose Campos ; Meteorite List Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 4:58 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Astronomy Picture of the Day Jose and list: If the meteorite has spent eons at space temperature and only spends a few seconds heating the surface as it descends through our atmosphere, why shouldn't it still be cold from the low internal temperature of the material? Dave Jose Campos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Stefan, Thanks for the link. However, the captation that goes with it says: Quote If you are lucky enough to find a meteorite just after impact, do not pick it up -- parts of it are likely to be either very hot or very cold. End of quote. That is unfortunately, quite a common popular belief, that from an educational point of view, must be fought off. During the meteorite's free fall to the ground, it has enough time to cool down to the point that, on being pick up from the ground, a person do not experiences any heat or, for that matter any cold from it - and its temperature will not be much different from any other stone near by. José Campos Portugal - Original Message - From: Stefan Brandes To: Meteorite-list Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 10:29 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Astronomy Picture of the Day Nice pic of the day today! http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ Stefan __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Sponsored Link Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $420,000 Mortgage for $1,399/mo - Calculate new house payment__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] power cuts across most of Eastern Europe
Hi List, Just to let you know that last night Germany, Italy, France and Spain were it my a massive power outing - in same places, it lasted only about 90 minutes. According to Sky News, cold weather and lack of supply are blamed for the worst blackout to hit western Europe in 30 years. Hi Dean and other Listees in MUNICH! I hope that this power outage did not affect much your gathering there! Have a good time! All the best, José Campos Portugal __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Monthly Favourite - November 2006
Hi Kuykens! Really super pics. of the famous Hembury meteorite and craters. The aerial view is quite spectacular! Many thanks for sharing it with us. As for Norbert Kammel, who have been there several times: I envy you Norbert! :) José Campos Portugal - Original Message - From: Jeff Kuyken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 1:29 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Monthly Favourite - November 2006 www.meteorites.com.au/favourite.html Cheers, Jeff Kuyken Meteorites Australia www.meteorites.com.au __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] MUNICH PHOTOS
Hello Dean, Tks for the Munich photos. It seems that you lot are having a good time there! Judging by the photos, I guess that the size of the beer mugs are directly proportional to the mass of the rocks? Interesting... José Campos Portugal - Original Message - From: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dean bessey [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 7:55 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] MUNICH PHOTOS Hi, Dean, Bright and early in Munich; almost everybody on this side of the planet is likely snoozing by now. The proportions look about right: beer, beer, spacerock, beer, beer, spacerock, beer, beer, spacerock... It's important to maintain the correct ratio. Thanks for the look. Sterling K. Webb - Original Message - From: dean bessey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 1:07 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] MUNICH PHOTOS I have been to busy to get a show report or many photos but here are few anyway. Good time to be had by all and lots of meteorites around. http://www.meteoriteshop.com/munich06/munich06.html Cheers DEAN http://www.meteoriteshop.com Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail (http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Fw: [meteorite-list] Park Forest Outing
Hi Bernd and List, If I may say something here, I could not agree with you more Bernd! With due respect to all in this List, I am of the opinion that we should all write down - after our names - our geographical location (Country, State or City) - after all, in this List, besides Arnolds, there are a few Daves, Petes, etc. I must also point out that some of us have the good habit of mentioning where are they writing from. After all, often it helps to know if the email is from a person from Germany, Arizona, Chicago, Mexico, N.Z. Tokyo or elsewere! Regards to all! José Campos Portugal - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 8:58 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Park Forest Outing E.P., with all due respect but there are two Steve Arnolds and one of them surely wouldn't like to be taken for his namesake ;-)) Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Fw: [meteorite-list] My new web site, for and about meteorite hunters.
Hi Ruben, Many thanks for sharing your new web site! Some nice meteorites you have there. Good luck on your next hunting trip. José Campos Portugal - Original Message - From: Ruben Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: moni [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 3:08 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] My new web site, for and about meteorite hunters. Hi all, My new web site just went on line. I'm not selling anything, it is merely a collection of pictures and stories relating to meteorites and meteorite hunting. I feel blessed to have spent time in the field with some of the worlds best meteorite hunters that swing a metal detector, as well as some that hunt only by sight. There are still quite a few ( Bob Verish, Rob Matson and Jason Utas, etc...) that I haven't hunted with that I'd love to learn from. It is a work in progress and some stories are not up yet. Over the next few months more will appear. Check it out at http://www.mr-meteorite.com Ruben Garcia Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail (http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] info meteorite Lisbona
Hi Gabelica and Paolo - and List, As far as I know, there is no known specific place/shop in Lisbon and its imediate surroundings, where a person can buy meteorites. Only once, some 2 years ago, at a small mineral fossil shop in Lisbon, I saw 2 quite small pieces of Canyon Diablo meteorite, were for sale, but I as far as I can remember, their prices were too high! Otherwise, the National Museum of Natural History holds once a year (during summertime), a public display of minerals and fossils, where any private collector/dealer can display and sell its items. I went there only on one occasion, some 3 years ago and on a table of the showroom, I found these 2 french speaking Morrocans, selling fossils, minerals and some chondrite meteorites. Sorry that I cannot be more helpeful to you. José Campos Portugal - Original Message - From: Gabelica Zelimir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 1:46 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] info meteorite Lisbona Hi Paolo, I use to be in Lisbon about twice a year. I looked many times for places where meteorites could be available for sale, but never found any. Neither in Lisbon, nor in surrounding cities. This does not mean you should not try. If you succeed, I'll be glad to know. Best wishes, Zelimir Selon paolo [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi list , someone of you have info were to buy meteorite in Lisbona? I'll go in Lisbona next week from Roma. Many thanks to all PaoloNon hai ancora Windows live Mail? Sei rimasto indietro! Clicca qui. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Trip to Yemen
Hello Pierre, Merci for sharing your interesting pictures on your trip to Yemen. The 2 pictures on Al Zeia Beni Morah are really spectacular! Pity you did not find any meteorites there - perhaps next time! José Campos Portugal - Original Message - From: Pelé Pierre-Marie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MeteoriteList meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 2:09 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Trip to Yemen Hello to the List, I would like to share with you the pictures I took on my trip to Yemen. I didn't find meteorites as I was in the west of the country which is mostly covered with mountains. But you might enjoy the pictures. The link : http://www.meteor-center.com/expes/yemen2006/ Best regards, Pierre-Marie PELE www.meteor-center.com ___ Yahoo! Mail réinvente le mail ! Découvrez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail et son interface révolutionnaire. http://fr.mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Fw: [meteorite-list] Trip to Yemen
- Original Message - From: Jose Campos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pelé Pierre-Marie [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 10:03 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Trip to Yemen Hello Pierre, Merci for sharing your interesting pictures on your trip to Yemen. The 2 pictures on Al Zeia Beni Morah are really spectacular! Pity you did not find any meteorites there - perhaps next time! José Campos Portugal - Original Message - From: Pelé Pierre-Marie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MeteoriteList meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 2:09 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Trip to Yemen Hello to the List, I would like to share with you the pictures I took on my trip to Yemen. I didn't find meteorites as I was in the west of the country which is mostly covered with mountains. But you might enjoy the pictures. The link : http://www.meteor-center.com/expes/yemen2006/ Best regards, Pierre-Marie PELE www.meteor-center.com ___ Yahoo! Mail réinvente le mail ! Découvrez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail et son interface révolutionnaire. http://fr.mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Viva Allende !
To all Mexicans on this List: Yes, Viva Mexico on today's Independence Day! Viva Allende! and Viva Zapata! ( Marlon Brando, 1952 movie) - maybe one day they might find a nice 235kg Zapata iron meteorite...:) But: and I quote Doug: Viva MEXICO Cabrones ! Cabrones José Campos Portugal - Original Message - From: MexicoDoug [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 7:07 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Viva Allende ! To all Mexicans and amigas y amigos ! ¡¡¡ Mexicanos Vivan los heroes que nos dieron Patria ! Viva ! Viva Hidalgo ! Viva ! Viva Morelos ! Viva ! Viva Allende ! Viva ! Viva Aldama ! Viva! (Viva Doña Josefa Ortiz de Dominguez!!! Viva! ) Viva la Libertad ! Viva ! Viva la Independencia ! Viva ! Viva Mexico !! 10 X !! Campanas! Happy Independence Day ! Morelos (First Mexican Communications Satellite!) Allende (Oldest Meteorite on Earth!) Hidalgo (Longest Orbit of all Asteroids in Belt Ast. #944) - and and second oldest witnessed fall in the nation from his then tiny pueblo 1844) Aldama (Two meteorites!) Viva MEXICO Cabrones ! Doug __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Fw: [meteorite-list] Michael Johnson's News Article of the Day!
Congratulations to you Michael Johnson! A nice article. José Campos Portugal - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Michael Johnson's News Article of the Day! Way to go ! Nice story! Sonny -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 8:37 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Michael Johnson's News Article of the Day! Good morning List, Way to go Michael !! http://www.goupstate.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060909/NEWS/6090903 23/1051/NEWS01 Paul __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Fw: [meteorite-list] Happy New Year y'all
Happy New 2005 to all on this List! José Campos Portugal - Original Message - From: Greg Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 11:19 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Happy New Year y'all Hello y'all (me practicing southern talk), Plain and simple, Happy New Year! :-) Greg __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] A Christmas Story of a Different Kind (Off-topic)
Hi Bernd, Aziz, Pekka, Art, Dave Freeman, Doug and all of YOU in this List, I wish you all, a Feliz Natal = Merry Christmas and a Feliz Ano Novo = Happy New Year, with a nice meteorite fall near all of you...of course! That would be some +- 550 falls in 2005??? Jos Campos Portugal - Original Message - From: aziz habibi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 10:53 PM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] A Christmas Story of a Different Kind (Off-topic) merry christmas and happy new year to all yes bernd life is short and we have to enjoy it. all the best aziz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] A Christmas Story of a Different Kind (Off-topic) Date: 23 Dec 2004 22:11:10 UT Now - not tomorrow is the time for me ... .. to wish everybody a Merry Christmas and a happy New Year. Why now? About two hours ago, I was writing Christmas mails when suddenly the telephone rang. I thought it was my daughter but it was the wife of one of my neighbors. Our families have been friends for almost thirty years now. About seven years ago, he had to undergo surgery because of a tumor in his brain. Ever since his physical and mental health has deteriorated - slowly but steadily until he had his first stroke some time ago. Another stroke followed a few weeks ago leaving him unable to walk and rendering him incontinent. Back now to the telephone call - his wife urged us to come over as quickly as possible because he had fallen out of his wheelchair and she was unable to lift him up. We ran over to their house and there he was, on the floor, face down, a poor, pitiable, helpless creature. We helped get him back into his wheelchair, he was as heavy as a rock and I offered my help holding him upright while his wife changed his diapers before putting him to bed (with joint forces). I was very depressed, sad, and worn-out when we returned home but, in spite of or probably because of this occurrence, I do think this year's Christmas will be something special, a precious moment of contemplation and reflection for us here. Wishing everybody all the best, A Merry, Merry Christmas, And a Happy New Year, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Fw: [meteorite-list] Burglary
Hello Bernhard, So sorry to hear that you have been robbed. Let's hope that you will be able to recover, at least, some of your robbed items. Meanwhile, I am sure that we, List Members, will keep our eyes/ears open, namely on the Chiang Khan. I wish you good luck. José Campos Portugal - Original Message - From: Bernhard Rems [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 9:24 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Burglary Hi, Just wanted to tell you that my flat has been robbed and devastated today. The thieves stole all my smaller electronical equipment, a collection of roman coins, a collection of golden coins from the Austrian Hungarian empire and other things of value. They completely ignored my meteorite collection with over 600 items, except for a small portion of meteorites that were laying on my table with the PDA and the iPod. These meteorites were those I purchased from Stefan Ralew a few days ago, and the nice Chiang Khan I got from Martin Altmann. I have no idea why they took these and nothing else. Bernhard PS: No insurance. Me idiot. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Fw: [meteorite-list] Great Meteor Shower
Hi Juris, That's looks like it was quite a nice show you had. Good for you, now please let us have some idea of WHERE about did you watch it? Upper Mongolia, Uzbekistan, or perhaps... Alaska? Or somewhere in the USA? Kind regards, José Campos Portugal - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 11:15 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Great Meteor Shower I woke up at about 3:00 and headed into the kitchen. I have a bay window in that room that faces east (with a heater vent right below it!). So I sat on the floor for about a 1/2 hour to watch the show. Even though I could not see the whole sky I had quite a show. Nice as it was I will never forget that show we had a few years back.. Juris Breikss [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Fw: Fw: [meteorite-list] Great Meteor Shower
Hi Juris, Thanks for your prompt reply and the extra info. And I hope that you will be able to have an encore of the show soon, there in Elizabeth, Colorado. Clear skies. Best wishes, José Campos Portugal PS: Come on, Dave Freeman, of Wyoming USA, of course he watched it in the sky... All the best and clear skies to you too. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jose Campos [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 11:51 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [meteorite-list] Great Meteor Shower Hi Juris, That's looks like it was quite a nice show you had. Good for you, now please let us have some idea of WHERE about did you watch it? Upper Mongolia, Uzbekistan, or perhaps... Alaska? Or somewhere in the USA? Kind regards, José Campos Jose - opps... Elizabeth Colorado. That is a bit south and east of Denver - very dark skies. :) Juris __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Fw: [meteorite-list] Ben Guérir fall
Hello Philippe, That's a fine 1037gr Ben Guérir meteorite that you have in your interesting website. Congratulations! I wish it was mine...eh!eh! :) José Campos Portugal - Original Message - From: philippe thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 10:40 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Ben Guérir fall Hello everybody, I have created a new page on my website about the new Moroccan fall Ben Guérir. Here is the link : http://www.meteoritica.com Best wishes, Philippe __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] news paper and tv
Habib, Many thanks for the information on this new morroccan meteorite fall. I am surprised by the newspaper report, mentioning an 8 Kg stone causing a 2 meter DEEP crater! Could this be a somewhat exagerated newspaper report? BTW, thanks also for sharing openly with us, List, the meaning of your name. Regards, Jos Campos Portugal - Original Message - From: aziz habibi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 5:25 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] news paper and tv hello list dean can you look for someone to translate this.its in frensh. its anew fall and fresh and untill now mike is there and many other guys so mattoe read this articles.and next time matteo i ask you to be more respectable . aziz AL-ITTIHAD AL-ICHTIRAKI Chute de mtorites dans plusieurs douars de la rgion de Benguerir. Une mtorite de 8 kg est tombe lundi dernier au Douar Al Foqara', et une vingtaine d'autres, pesant quelque 20 kg, au Douar Tnaja. Selon des sources locales, () ces chutes ont creus un cratre d'environ 2 mtres de profondeur et ont t entendues 50 km la ronde. () Selon certains habitants, il se pourrait que ces mtorites soient rcupres par des individus convaincus de leur pouvoir magique, qui leur permettrait de dcouvir des trsors. () Selon une source informe, le procureur du Roi de la rgion a donn des instructions la gendarmerie en vue de rcuprer ces pierres. () (A. Ryadh) _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Campos Sales
Olá Doug and List, In connection with the Campos Sales meteorite, I noticed that on the 25/Oct/2004 Doug wrote: ...Further, the rainy season starts to peak during the quoted recovery time in Campos Sales, and to boot, Campos Sales sounds like it means Salt Fields in Portuguese. It may sound like it, and yes, Campos means Fields; however, the word Sales does NOT exist in the Portuguese language. Although Salt in Portuguese is written Sal, if it were to mean Salt Fields it should have been Campos Salgados and not Campos Sales. I suspect that the word Sales might have something do to with a possible existence of a nearby Mission of Saint Francisco de Sales? (of the Order of the Salesians), hence Campos Sales? Regards and Saudações de Portugal (Doug, Saudades in Portuguese means longing) José Campos Portugal __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re.Fw:[meteorite-list] Meteorites on postcards
Hi Mike Bostik, JKGwilliam, Martin and Mike Jensen and List, Many thanks to all of you who sent me interesting information on Meteorites on postcards. I never realized that there were so many! It sure makes an interesting collection theme. Thanks again, José Campos __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Fw: [meteorite-list] Campos Sales
Hi Doug, Sim, si, yes, I am more inclined on that explanation that you found for the Campos Sales name. Saudações de Portugal José Campos - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jose Campos [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 7:21 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Campos Sales José Campos kindly responded: I suspect that the word Sales might have something do to with a possible existence of a nearby Mission of Saint Francisco de Sales? (of the Order of the Salesians), hence Campos Sales? Olá e Olé José, Thanks for the kindest clarification on the word Sales. The potential irony of the name still isn't lost but I appreciate your good explanation on the word Sal and Sales. Here's another take on Campos :) I think I can offer...when I realized you are José Campos! How about the third Brasilian president MANUEL FERRAZ DE CAMPOS SALES, who successfully negotiated with France the border of Brasil near French Guiana, hence including the region near the Campos Sales meteorite locality got the town named in his commemoration. I got the following off a Brasilian history site: O terceiro presidente foi Manuel Ferraz de Campos Sales (1898-1902), considerado o saneador das finanças do país, abaladas desde o final do Império, mas especialmente em virtude do encilhamento, havido durante o Governo Provisório. Outra vitória do barão do Rio Branco: a questão do Amapá, de limites com a Guiana Francesa. Thanks again José, and Saudades do Campos Sales! Y Saludos desde Mexico! Doug Olá Doug and List, In connection with the Campos Sales meteorite, I noticed that on the 25/Oct/2004 Doug wrote: ...Further, the rainy season starts to peak during the quoted recovery time in Campos Sales, and to boot, Campos Sales sounds like it means Salt Fields in Portuguese. It may sound like it, and yes, Campos means Fields; however, the word Sales does NOT exist in the Portuguese language. Although Salt in Portuguese is written Sal, if it were to mean Salt Fields it should have been Campos Salgados and not Campos Sales. I suspect that the word Sales might have something do to with a possible existence of a nearby Mission of Saint Francisco de Sales? (of the Order of the Salesians), hence Campos Sales? Regards and Saudações de Portugal (Doug, Saudades in Portuguese means longing) José Campos Portugal __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Fw: [meteorite-list] MUNICH 2004 photos
Hi Peter Marmet, I second Mark's words! Meteorites + beer, sure makes a good combination! It looks like you all had a great time! Congratulations to all involved in the Munich/04 meeting. And thanks for sharing the pictures. José Campos Portugal - Original Message - From: MarkF [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Peter Marmet [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteor list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] MUNICH 2004 photos Hello Peter That was great! I could put faces to some of the people I've communicated with and listen to on the list. Looks like it was a very nice show and everyone had a great time. Thanks Mark - Original Message - From: Peter Marmet [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 6:16 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] MUNICH 2004 photos Hello list, I just put some pictures of the Munich Mineral-, Fossil- and Meteorite Show 2004: http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/id9.html Once again: Many thanks to Martin Altmann who organized the Great Friday Evening Meteorite Party! Peter Marmet Bern, Switzerland __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Fw: [meteorite-list] re: Meteor or Space Junk Fall
Hi AL, Marco and List, Thanks for the video link, AL. The shown video clip lasted 33 seconds, on a reproduction velocity of 1.0 It was interesting to notice that, quite close to the 4th second of the video clip, there is a brief, sudden bright outburst (?) followed by a return to its initial visual brightness; also visible during a portion of the object's path, are two parallel darkish streaks (shadow lines?), one on each side and quite close to the object. Perhaps an imaging blemish? José Campos Portugal - Original Message - From: Marco Langbroek [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 8:43 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] re: Meteor or Space Junk Fall There was a meteor or space junk fall around my area on Sunday. A local family video taped the event and can be viewed here: http://home.wane.com/Video/ufo%20raw.WMV This is not a meteor, nor spacejunk, but a sunlit aircraft contrail. Note te very slow movement in the video, and the very long duration: afteer seeing it and fetcing hs camera, the eyewitnness had time to get in his car, drive to a nearby school parking, and film untill is camera battery was empty. - Marco -- Marco Langbroek Dutch Meteor Society (DMS) Leiden, the Netherlands 52.15896 N, 4.48884 E (WGS 84) e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DMS website: http://www.dmsweb.org priv. website: http://home.wanadoo.nl/marco.langbroek -- __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Fw: FW: [meteorite-list] Re: Berthoud fall
Hello Matt Morgan and Mike Jensen - and List, Thanks for the great links to the photos. It seems to be a fine specimen. I agree with CharlyV's comments on handling meteorites with gloves, namely when it comes to a very fresh fall. Good, successful hunting there, to those envolved in more fragment recovery. José Campos Portugal - Original Message - From: Charles Viau [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 7:43 AM Subject: RE: FW: [meteorite-list] Re: Berthoud fall I know it was not a sterile environment, barely anything on earth is, but I would think that as soon as academia showed up, they would have never wanted it touched again. The less contamination the better if it going to be examined by NASA and by University. Even Tagish lake, which fell on frozen lake water was 'contaminated', but since it was collected so carefully (by Jim Brook ), without skin contact, and the pieces kept frozen, it was much more valuable to science because of that. Also, scientists that collect in Antarctica essentially do the same thing. Just an observation. I know that if I had ever witnessed a fall and came up upon a suspected piece, I would photo it in situ, GPS if possible, and then collect it with gloves. CharlyV -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of stan . Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 11:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: FW: [meteorite-list] Re: Berthoud fall why would you use gloves? it was dug out of a hole in the ground - hardly a sterile environment... From: Charles Viau [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FW: [meteorite-list] Re: Berthoud fall Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 22:55:02 -0400 Holding a fresh fall, without gloves, and not an ordinary chondrite, but perhaps a Eucrite or one of the SNC's... Is it just me, or was that a bungled recovery? CharlyV -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Morgan Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 7:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Re: Berthoud fall Try this! http://www.colorado.edu/fiske/BerthoudMeteoriteinHands.jpg DROL matt -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 5:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Berthoud fall Hi all Here is a photo from 9 news. Not real great but still worth a look. http://www.9news.com/acm_news.aspx?OSGNAME=KUSAIKOBJECTID=896d3d3c-0ab e-421a -013d-a90af9fa6099TEMPLATEID=0c76dce6-ac1f-02d8-0047-c589c01ca7bf Enjoy Mike Mike Jensen IMCA 4264 Bill Jensen IMCA 2359 Jensen Meteorites 16730 E Ada PL Aurora, CO 80017-3137 303-337-4361 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Fw: [meteorite-list] the Admin
Dear Art, Re. Michael Blood's email: Hear Hear! José Campos - Original Message - From: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Art Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 3:57 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] the Admin Dear Art, Your ongoing dedication to providing the meteorite community of the world with a newsletter/chat forum is one of the most significant contributions ever made to the meteorite community. I know you have received the Harvey Award in recognition of same, but it is well worth repeating now and again - everyone in meteorites is indebted to you. Members may bicker and even grossly insult one another - and on very rare occasion of extreme abuse, require at least temporary removal, but you stand fast and never over react and provide the keel deep in the water that keeps the list sailing ever onward. Thanks Michael on 7/18/04 4:23 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings once more; I forgot to mention in my earlier email that the upgraded List software has some nice new features, so be sure to go the List information page at: http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list and then: Login in the last field at the bottom of the page under the section titled Meteorite-list Subscribers (you'll need to enter your password on the next page). If you forgot your password there is also an option on the next page to have it emailed to you. On your settings page you'll see some new options including the language you prefer, unsubscribing, address change, password change, temp. email disabling, and other delivery options. I hope these new additions will make use of the List much easier. Best Regards, Art Meteorite Central __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- http://www.workingforchange.com/comic.cfm?itemid=17284 -- George W. Bush hopes to serve two terms in the white house; Al Gore's and then his. -- I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully. George W. Bush -- It is always a simple matter to drag people along whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country. - Hermann Goering -- When Jesus said Love your enemies I think he probably meant don't kill them. Anonymous -- For perspective, try THIS: http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/primer/java/scienceopticsu/powersof10/index.html -- cool message fro Ben Jerry: www.TrueMajority.org/oreo -- AMAZING photos of Aurora Borealis, etc. http://faculty.rmwc.edu/tmichalik/atmosphere.htm -- Hubble space telescope - AMAZING photos!: http://wires.news.com.au/special/mm/030811-hubble.htm -- http://www.costofwar.com/ -- SUPPORT OUR TROUPS: http://www.takebackthemedia.com/onearmy.html -- Worth Seeing: Earth at night from satellite: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg -- - Interactive Lady Liberty: http://doody36.home.attbi.com/liberty.htm -- Earth - variety of choices: http://www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/vplanet.html -- Michael Blood Meteorites: http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ensisheim Show 2004 - Photos
Hello Hanno, Very interesting set of pictures! Many thanks for sharing them with us. It's nice to be able to see the faces of some members of this List, that most of us only know by name. It seems that it was a good show, contratulations to all those involved in preparing and organizing it. José Campos - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 11:38 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Ensisheim Show 2004 - Photos Hallo List, for all of you who are interested, I have updated my hompage with some nice photos of the Ensisheim Meteoriteshow last weekend in France. Here is the link: http://www.strufe.net click on the button "Ensisheim 2004" and take a look. The photos are as always in a higher resolution and can take some seconds to download. There had never been so many meteorite dealers in Ensisheim than this year. All was verygood organized from Zelimir Gabelica. Well done Zelimir. The dealers showed excellent material and we all had a lot of fun together. What do you want more ? Enjoy the photos and I hope to seeall ofyou next year again. Best regards ===Hanno StrufeHome position on planet EarthLangenbergstrasse 32 N 49.21 092;66954 PirmasensE 007.53 558; 358 mGermanyPhone + Fax: +49 6331 225 105www.strufe.netIMCA #4267=== __Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Fw: [meteorite-list] Origins
Hi List, The probability of a meteorite originated from Mercury, being able to reach Earth (or Venus or Mars, for that matter), must beexceedingly small, as it wouldbe strongly attracted towards the Sun, unless its initial orbitwould be disturbed in such a way as to be "kicked out" by a close encounterin the Sun's vicinity, with a passing asteroid or a comet? José - Original Message - From: MARK BOSTICK To: Martin Altmann ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Meteorite List Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 2:20 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Origins Hello Martin and list, Not saying Enstatites are from Mercury, it seems to me that they formed much further from the sun.but doesn't everything get kind of pushed into the asteroid belt? That was my understanding why there are still asteroids in the belts.they get replaced. Mark Bostick www.meteoritearticles.com - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 6:28 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Origins The Enstatite Chondrite Neuschwanstein had its aphelion in the asteroid main belt, thus it's not related to Mercury. Here a picture of the orbit http://www.heise.de/tp/deutsch/special/raum/14785/1.html Martin - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Origins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What about Mercury, Saturn, Jupiter...Etc? Is it just because we have to point of reference or maybe distance...Just Curious!There was widespread belief that the Enstatite Chondrites originated within Mercury's orbit, if they weren't actually Mercurian themselves, but I haven't read any particularly recent scientific assessment on that positionany updates out there? The "giants" (Jupiter and Saturn) are considered to be essentially gaseous with prohibitive escape velocities as well, so I don't think there's much speculation about them being reasonable candidates for parent bodies.Gregory __Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://sixpairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 7.0.245 / Virus Database: 263.1.2 - Release Date: 07-06-2004 Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.245 / Virus Database: 263.1.2 - Release Date: 07-06-2004 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] List: Attention on virus W32/Zafi-B!
Attention List: VIRUS! I have been warned by my server that the e-mail sent to meteorite list by a GEMFRANCE under the subject Don't worry, be happy - is in fact infected with the virus W32/Zafi-B. So please, do NOT open it's attached file: www.ecard.com.funny picture.index.nude.php356.pif Fortunately it was wiped out before I could have opened it! José __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ronald Reagan
I have just now heard the sad news on RTP1 Portuguese TV station, on the passing of Ronald Reagan, one of the greatest American Presidents of all times in the World History. I think that the USA does note make Presidents like him anymore. I know that this is not a "meteorite" related subject, but I have seen time and again, many unimportant subjects being put through this List - made up of many fine people, - that I feel that I do not need to ask for any apologies. God Bless him. Jos Campos Portugal Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.245 / Virus Database: 263.1.0 - Release Date: 04-06-2004 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Re: possible fireball in Portugal - update
Hi Robert Verish and List, The portuguese TV station SIC showed last nigh during its news broadcast, a short video clip of the luminous body seen over Portugal. The video was taken by a woman from the Algarve (I missed the name of her home town). The video shows a bright, headless object with a straight, narrow tail, a few degrees long, (my guess: +-5 deg??) and moving fast, at tree top level from right to left (that's relative to the screen). She reported hearing no sound at all. Based on a map of the body's flight path that was published yesterday in the port. newspaper Correio da Manhã, which shows the object as having entered portuguese airspace across the Guadiana River (our border with southern Spain), what appears to be just south of the +38 deg paralell - I take that the woman aimed her video camera approx. towards a NE direction. The object was detected by port. radar at Beja (central south) at 23h19 Lisbon Time = London time); it was detected also by Montijo radar station (near Lisbon); based on this same map, the luminous object then moved on towards a WNW direction, well to the right of Lisbon where it was visually seen by some firemen on duty at the Lisbon airport; Then, it moved on a more northern direction, closely following the shape of the coast all the way north, but remaining overland; at Porto (north of Portugal), it was detected by radar again, at 23h44 with an ascending route, crossing the Minho river (northern border Portuga with Galicia, Spain). It was seen by hundreds of people from several portuguese localities. besides the luminous trail, some also reported a trail of smoke, but no sound at all. I am surprised that no reports of sightings (as far as I know), were received from southern or northern Spain! Very strange, considering also the speeds of 900 to a mere 120 km/h reported by the Air Force, as well as heights of 2100 m 3000m and 12100 m (not exactly in this order). I have with me a newspaper clip of the map. Regards to all. José Campos, Portugal - Original Message - From: Robert Verish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 6:41 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] FW: Re: possible fireball in Portugal - update --- Forward Message --- Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 18:55:24 +0400 From: Andrei Ol'khovatov [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Global Meteor Observing Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: possible fireball in Portugal - update It looks like airplane associated indeed. Airplane's contrails illuminated by sun? The only strange thing is that (if I correctly understand) the Portuguese AirForce completely failed to indentify them as airplanes... Just a large airplane with transponder etc. can cruise at 12 km altitude. Maybe some confusing, misunderstanding, etc. I hope that Paulo will update on the development. Best, Andrei Ol'khovatov - Original Message - From: Marco Langbroek [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Global Meteor Observing Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 6:34 PM Subject: Re: (meteorobs) possible fireball in Portugal - update Dear Paulo, If the radar tracked the lights indeed, they could not have been meteoroidal bolides. [snip] Best wishes, Andrei Ol'khovatov Russia, Moscow Indeed, altitudes and speeds stated suggest aircraft to me. - Marco - Original Message - From: Paulo Heleno [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 5:35 PM Subject: (meteorobs) possible fireball in Portugal - update Portuguese airforce stated that 2 objects were detected in radar: one, cruising at about 12000 m...the other was cruising at 2000 m and then, climbed up to 7000 m, at an estimated speed of 800 Km/h. No noise was heard, and the object was envolved in smoke, with white light Paulo ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] To SUBSCRIBE or EDIT OPTIONS on meteorobs http://lists.meteorobs.org/mailman/listinfo/meteorobs End of meteorobs Digest, Vol 2, Issue 7 -- End of Forward Message -- __ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Intense bright light seen over the skies of Portugal
Hi List and Marco Langbroek, This morning, on the 07h00 am news, I heard the portuguese TV RTP1 news reader talking about an intense bright light that was seen last night, Tuesday, 01 June/2004, after 11:00 PM (Lisbon time), by hundreds of peoplefrom several towns: Penafiel, vora and the Algarve. The luminous object was described as "very bright, fast, leaving behind a trail of smoke and moving with no sound". A "Civil Protection Unit" representative, as well as the Civil Aviation Authority, were both contacted by the TV station but they could not offer an explanation. An astronomer said that it could have been either a meteor or a satellite entering the Earth's atmosphere. Then followed the "usual story" of it being an UFO, etc. This morning's local newspaper "CORREIO DA MANH" 02/June/2004, has the following news about it, on its back page: My own translation from Portuguese to English: "Phenomenon with no explanation Unknown Light A very intense, smoking light, of an unknown origin, was last night seen from several places in Portugal but local authorities do not have an answer to this phenomenon. The "Civil Protection Unit" received phonecalls from several places, from Penafiel, Vendas Novas, vora or the Algarve. Also, the Portuguese Airforce confirmed thishappening toLusa (port. news agency), to have taken place around 23h15 (Lisbon time) but they do not have an explanation for it" So far, noinformation has been givenabout its directionor its flight path. Note that Lisbon time = London time.When I have more news, will let you all know. Jos Campos Portugal Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.245 / Virus Database: 262.10.7 - Release Date: 31-05-2004 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Intense bright light seen over the skies of Portugal
Hi again List, A while ago, the portuguese TV SICpresented a portion of an amateur video made by a portuguese woman from the Algarve, showing the bright objectreported on my previous email to the List. From what I could see in this video, the object appeared to be moving almost paralled to the horizon, several degrees above local tree level, and moving fast "from right to left". Itportrayed an almost straight, a few degrees long,luminous "trail". I don't know in which direction was the video-camera facing. From this video clip, I did notice that the object did not show a bright "head". A Mr. Jos Miguel Reis, who witnessed the phenomenon from Penodeno, Portugal, mentioned that it appeared to move as a luminous point coming from the north, on a slight curved path moving fast towards the west; he claimed that neither its speed or its trajectory were constant. (???) and that it did not move like an aircraft. SIC TV also reported that the object was noticed bythe portuguese air force ground radar and thata spoke person for the Air Force said that it lasted for about 3 minutes, moving at some 800 km/h and that during its path it was detected at heights of 50.000 feet, 30.000 and 7.000 feet. Astronomer Jos Matos said that it might have been the reflex (flash) of an Iridium satellite, orbiting at some 780 km height. He suggested that it might be seen again tonight (Wed.) at about the same time as last night (23h15 Lisbon time). Certainly, the air force ground radar would not be able to pick up satellites at that height, and the several witnesses over the country, would not mention seen a smoke trail, if it was in fact, a flash of an Iridium satelitte. It appears to me that it was, most probably, a satellite re-entry. Can any List member confirm if there was any satellite/space debris predicted for a re-entry over Portugal around that time/date? Jos Campos Portugal Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.245 / Virus Database: 262.10.7 - Release Date: 31-05-2004 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Intense bright light seen over the skies ofPortugal
Tks Mike, Re. the Ourique meteorite, I also went there, got a couple of pics of the 2 small holes in the dirt road made by the fall and I did manage to find some 20 small fragments - a few of them with crust. I think that most probably, yesterday's object was a satellite/space junk re-entry. Pity... Keep well. Jos - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer To: Jose Campos ; Meteorite List Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 11:03 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Intense bright light seen over the skies ofPortugal Cool, I would love to go back to the Algarve, just south of where Ourique fell, beautiful area. Portugal was one of my favorite hunts. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Jose Campos To: Meteorite List Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 1:45 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Intense bright light seen over the skies ofPortugal Hi List and Marco Langbroek, This morning, on the 07h00 am news, I heard the portuguese TV RTP1 news reader talking about an intense bright light that was seen last night, Tuesday, 01 June/2004, after 11:00 PM (Lisbon time), by hundreds of peoplefrom several towns: Penafiel, vora and the Algarve. The luminous object was described as "very bright, fast, leaving behind a trail of smoke and moving with no sound". A "Civil Protection Unit" representative, as well as the Civil Aviation Authority, were both contacted by the TV station but they could not offer an explanation. An astronomer said that it could have been either a meteor or a satellite entering the Earth's atmosphere. Then followed the "usual story" of it being an UFO, etc. This morning's local newspaper "CORREIO DA MANH" 02/June/2004, has the following news about it, on its back page: My own translation from Portuguese to English: "Phenomenon with no explanation Unknown Light A very intense, smoking light, of an unknown origin, was last night seen from several places in Portugal but local authorities do not have an answer to this phenomenon. The "Civil Protection Unit" received phonecalls from several places, from Penafiel, Vendas Novas, vora or the Algarve. Also, the Portuguese Airforce confirmed thishappening toLusa (port. news agency), to have taken place around 23h15 (Lisbon time) but they do not have an explanation for it" So far, noinformation has been givenabout its directionor its flight path. Note that Lisbon time = London time.When I have more news, will let you all know. Jos Campos Portugal Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 7.0.245 / Virus Database: 262.10.7 - Release Date: 31-05-2004 __Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 7.0.245 / Virus Database: 262.10.7 - Release Date: 31-05-2004 Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.245 / Virus Database: 262.10.7 - Release Date: 31-05-2004 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Happy Birthday Bernd Thanks
Hi Ken, (and List) Tks for pointing it out to me. Perhaps that weirdo "meteorite" found by Joe Suarez of Corpus Christi - the one that was "glowing orange, with steam coming out of ALL these holes...", may have caused my PC clock "gone haywire" and "go way far ahead"...as he mentioned. That might have been a heck of a long-distance interference!!! LOL! José Campos Portugal PS: The PC clock is back to "normal" again - lucky me! One never knows what this weird meteorite might do again... - Original Message - From: ken newton To: Jose Campos Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Happy Birthday Bernd Thanks Jose,Your computer clock is a month fast.best,KenJose Campos wrote: (6/12/2004) Hi Bernd, Happy birthday! José Campos - Original Message - From: meteoriteshow To: Jeff Kuyken ; Meteorite List Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Happy Birthday Bernd Thanks Happy birthday Bernd! And welcome Back! Fred B www.meteoriteshow.com - Original Message - From: Jeff Kuyken To: Meteorite List Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 9:10 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Happy Birthday Bernd Thanks G'day List, As many of you have probably already noticed, Bernd has been back on the list helping out everyone he can with his wealth of information.Bernd has helped me outmany times as I'm sure he has for others too. So I for one would like to say thanks and welcome back. The list has been a much more useful tool over the past couple of months which I reallyhope continues. Today is also Bernd's birthday which he made the mistake of telling me a while back. ;-) So Happy Birthday Bernd! Cheers, Jeff KuykenI.M.C.A. #3085www.meteorites.com.au __Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Happy Birthday Bernd Thanks
Hi Bernd, Happy birthday! José Campos - Original Message - From: meteoriteshow To: Jeff Kuyken ; Meteorite List Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Happy Birthday Bernd Thanks Happy birthday Bernd! And welcome Back! Fred B www.meteoriteshow.com - Original Message - From: Jeff Kuyken To: Meteorite List Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 9:10 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Happy Birthday Bernd Thanks G'day List, As many of you have probably already noticed, Bernd has been back on the list helping out everyone he can with his wealth of information.Bernd has helped me outmany times as I'm sure he has for others too. So I for one would like to say thanks and welcome back. The list has been a much more useful tool over the past couple of months which I reallyhope continues. Today is also Bernd's birthday which he made the mistake of telling me a while back. ;-) So Happy Birthday Bernd! Cheers, Jeff KuykenI.M.C.A. #3085www.meteorites.com.au __Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New topic: Micro Diamonds
Hi List, David and Chris Can someone please confirm if gold has ever been found on a meteorite? Have a nice Sunday. José Campos - Original Message - From: chris aubeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New topic: Micro Diamonds Hi David, listfolk, This is a very interesting question as I find many 19th century references to (1) diamonds and (2) gold found in meteorites. I am usually inclined to label these hoaxes, but perhaps this would be too hasty. If diamonds were seen in meteorites by their finders I suppose they were not just a few microns in size. Best, Chris --- David Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear List: I have an ebay customer asking me where he can purchase a diamond from a meteorite impact Any for sale, contact me and I will forward the email to you. Aren't they small, like a few microns in size and not the size of grains of rice? I didn't know of anyone selling them. Dave F. mjwy __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list = http://embark.to/magonia Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly...Ping your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Fw: [meteorite-list] Directions to American Meteorite Museum
Hi Gregory, Tks for sharing your pics. The one of the Museum in its heydey is certainly a most interesting document of historical info! José Campos Portugal - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 6:28 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Directions to American Meteorite Museum [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does anyone have good instructions on how to locate the old museum? Do we need to contact anyone about prowling the property? The ruins of the museum are impossible to miss, once you've turned gotten to the Meteor Crater exit from the highway. As you head off the highway and begin to go toward the crater, there will be a gas station on your right, and a road that leads toward thefully-visible Museum ruins on your left.That old road toward the Museum is (barely) paved, and it may or may not be actual Route 66 pavement. Nininger's Museum was always advertised as being right on Route 66 but I'm still unsure if the road from the gas station to the Museum is actually a remnant of "The Mother Road" or not. As to permission/accessibility, I've heard various reports -- it seems to depend on whom you talk to. When I went there for the first time,I had been told in advance that the Museum ruins wereon private property and trespassers would be prosecuted if caught. However, in chatting with employees of thatnearby gas station, they said, "Sure, no problem, go on up and take a look." So I did. ;-) The Museum in its heyday: http://members.aol.com/sharkkb8/AMM.jpg And the way it looks now (with the rim of the crater in the distance) http://members.aol.com/sharkkb8/AMM2.jpg http://members.aol.com/sharkkb8/AMM3.jpg Have fun! GregoryJ. Gregory Wilson2118 Wilshire Blvd. #918 Santa Monica, CA 90403USA(310) 913-2598 __Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
FW: [meteorite-list] Interesting asteroid names
-Original Message- From: Jose Campos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2004 9:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Interesting asteroid names Hi Alex and List, You asked for more listees with their own asteroids; How abou comets? I independently co-discovered P/Comet 1978j = 1978XX Haneda-Campos, on September 1st 1978 with a 5 refractor, from Durban, South Africa. It was also independently discovered by the late japanese amateur astronomer T. Haneda, from Fukushima, Japan, on the same date. The comet's Period is just over 6 yrs. According to the new comet nomenclature, it is now known as comet D/1978 R1 Haneda-Campos. Greetings from sunny Portugal Jos Campos -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 9:59 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Interesting asteroid names Now here is a little goodie...: (6524) Baalke And two more outstanding ones:...: (6371) Heinlein (73491) Robmatson More listees with their own asteroids? Greetings from sunny Berlin, Alex Ron answered: - Done! 7610 Sudbury Ron B. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.620 / Virus Database: 399 - Release Date: 3/11/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.620 / Virus Database: 399 - Release Date: 3/11/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.620 / Virus Database: 399 - Release Date: 3/11/2004 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
FW: [meteorite-list] SPANISH BOLIDE : IMPORTANT FIND !
Hi Pierre-Marie, What a great recovery! Congrats to you and to your team! Tks for sharing the pic. José Campos -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michel Franco Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 5:50 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] SPANISH BOLIDE : IMPORTANT FIND ! Congratulations !! Seems that you had a lot of nose to find it ! Nice stone indeed, and welcome to the Meteorite New Fall Discoverer Group. Best regards Michel FRANCO - Original Message - From: Pierre-Marie PELE [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 9:56 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] SPANISH BOLIDE : IMPORTANT FIND ! Our recovery team went to Spain from 8th to 14th March 2004. We followed the estimated trajectory of the bolide observed over Spain the 4th January 2004. At the moment, only two small fragments have been recovered by a journalist on vacation in the area and several other stones by a Spanish recovery team. We are the first meteorite hunters to have done a significient find. On the 10th March 2004 in the afternoon, we found on a track a complete 1380 grams meteorite in the north of the Palencia District. It is classified as a H chondrite. Our museum quality individual is 98% covered with fusion crust. There's a small window showing the inside, with shock veins. The first worldwide public show of this meteorite will be done by our recovery group at the Ensisheim Show, in June 2004. You can anyway look at some pictures of our find on our website www.meteor-center.com Pierre-Marie PELE www.meteor-center.com -- Faites un voeu et puis Voila ! www.voila.fr __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.620 / Virus Database: 399 - Release Date: 3/11/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.620 / Virus Database: 399 - Release Date: 3/11/2004 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
FW: [meteorite-list] OT: Manganese nodule auction
Hi Bob Verish and List, The reference made to rare manganese nodule samples from 3000 meters deep on the Pacific Ocean floor, reminds me of when I used to live in South Africa, I recall having read in a local Durban newspaper, about this south african group of sea-divers who, - some 2 years before South West Africa (which at the time, was a South African Protectorate), became an independent country in 1990, as Namibia, - they were given a licence to explore a portion of the sea-floor along the Skeleton Coast, and they used ships with powerfull pumps and pipes to vacuum the sea bed, near the coast, for lots of manganese nodules, most in 50 meter deep water - if my memory serves me correct. Jos -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Robert Verish Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 5:03 PM To: Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral Subject: [meteorite-list] OT: Manganese nodule auction Meteorite: SuperRare Manganese nuggets from the Ocean http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2231469904 -- http://www.sciencemall-usa.com/mannod.html The link above shows a manganese nodule, which is more like I remember how they look. The light-colored shiny interior of the specimen in the eBay auction looks every bit like the kind of meteorwrongs that I have been seeing a lot of lately, and which we have given the collective name: sulfide slag as described on Ken Newton's web page: http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/hotrocks.html Caveat Emptor, Bob V. P.S. - Searched the web for manganese nodule. Results 1 - 10 of about 4,920. manganese-nodule.net Welcome to Manganese-Nodule.Net ! Please click here to continue ! Description: Portal giving links to all major institutions and companies involved with manganese nodules (prospecting,... Category: Science Technology Mining http://www.manganese-nodule.net/ Manganese Nodules ... Here's your chance to have a rare manganese nodule sample from 3000 meters deep on the Pacific Ocean floor. ... Manganese Nodules JPT-MANG2 $32.00. ... http://www.sciencemall-usa.com/mannod.html NGDC/WDC MGG, Boulder-Scripps Inst of Oceanography Ferromanganese ... ... Scripps Institution of Oceanography Ferromanganese Nodule Analysis File. view gif image of ferromanganese nodule. ... NAME OF DATA SET: SIO Mn Nodule Analysis File. ... http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/mgg/geology/sionar.html NGDC/WDC MGG, Boulder-Scripps Inst of Oceanography Manganese ... ... Scripps Institution of Oceanography Manganese Nodule Sediment Description File. cross section of ferromanganese nodule. NGDC Data Set # MGG15995015(00250). ... http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/mgg/geology/siodesc.html [ More results from www.ngdc.noaa.gov ] manganese-nodules.net Welcome to the world wide web portal for everything on manganese nodules and related topics. What are Manganese Nodules ? - Introduction. ... http://www24.brinkster.com/manganesenodule/site/what.htm __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.614 / Virus Database: 393 - Release Date: 3/5/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.620 / Virus Database: 399 - Release Date: 3/11/2004 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
FW: [meteorite-list] Wow - Look at this pic from Meridiani Planum
Title: Nachricht Hi Bernhard and List, It is certainly a most interesting image! What is the distance from the rover to that martian outcrop? Any guesses? Perhaps Ron Baalke canhelp us? Have a nice Sunday, Jos Campos -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Bernhard "Rendelius" RemsSent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 10:29 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [meteorite-list] Wow - Look at this pic from Meridiani Planum http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/1/n/001/1N128285132EDNP1500R0M1.JPG A feature most extraordinaire... Kind regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems
FW: [meteorite-list] Meteoroid Impact A Possible (But Unlikely) Cause of Beagle 2 Failure
Hi List, I would assume that the ...leading expert of the Agency mentioned the probable cause of Beagle-2 failure, as a METEOROID, - and not a meteorite - hitting the rover during its flight to Mars - news reporters (in any country!) seldom do get the Astronomy/Astronautics story right...even when the story is told by experts. In fact, under the Subject Title of this email, R.B. (always very sharp), has it right. Good! Jos -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ron Baalke Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 9:27 PM To: Meteorite Mailing List Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteoroid Impact A Possible (But Unlikely) Cause of Beagle 2 Failure http://www.itar-tass.com/eng/level2.html?NewsID=302256PageNum=0 Meteorite is possible cause of Beagle-2 collapse ITAR-TASS News Agency January 13, 2004 FRANKFURT-ON-MAINE (Itar-Tass) -- A meteorite might have ruined the Beagle-2 rover of the European Space Agency. The meteorite might have hit the rover during the nearly seven-months flight to Mars, a leading expert of the Agency said on Tuesday. He noted that the Beagle-2 rover had been installed outside the Mars Express interplanetary station. The rover undocked from the station on December 19, 2003, and was silent during the ballistic descent till December 25. A minor damage of the rover?s thermal protection by a meteorite could have catastrophic consequences, the same as it was in the Columbia shuttle disaster, the expert said. The rover entered the Martian atmosphere, and gases up to 1,200 degrees hot might have penetrated inside the Beagle-2 and ruined it. It is also possible that the main parachute and cushion gasbags appeared to be defunct in landing. The loss of the Beagle-2 rover was a predictable risk, as more than a half of three dozens of expeditions to Mars failed, the expert said. He said he was not surprised at the successful landing of the U.S. Spirit rover on Mars. NASA launched the first probe to Mars forty years ago, and Beagle-2 was the first attempt of the European Space Agency, the expert noted. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.560 / Virus Database: 352 - Release Date: 1/8/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.560 / Virus Database: 352 - Release Date: 1/8/2004 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] A fragment of the recent spanish fireball found?
Hi List - and Marco, Here is my translation of a spanish news article, dated 08/January 2004: "A man who lives in Fuentes de Ropel, Zamora, says he has found debris of the meteorite that he believes is the same one that fell down on Sunday on the peninsula. He said that he found it near the local cemitery and that it was like a ping-pong ball in size, and when he picked it up it broke away into 4 fragments. He kept one for himself and handed over the other 3 fragments at the Headquarters of the Guardia Civil at Benavente. From there, they were sent to the Centro Superior de Investigaciones Cientificas, to have them certified if in fact, the mineral has come from the outer space." (end of translation) - This article was written in spanish by a Mr. José Ignacio C. Garcia, Madrid. There is a video-clip - showing the finder explaining his story -, attached to this news page, plus some 4 small photos showing again the finder, as well as the small fragment that he kept for himself. In one of the pictures, on the palm of his hand is shown a 5 cent Euro coin next to the fragment. As the coin in question has 20 mm in diameter, one can estimate the fragment to be14 x 6 mm approx. and it looks like a stony fragment with whatseems to besome fusion crust (?) on its top visible side - but I am not that sure. Check on the following link: http://www.a3n.tv/mNoticia.asp?seccion=Noticias/Sociedad/news=6410787 Regards José Campos Portugal
FW: [meteorite-list] New fall in Spain
Hi Mark Ford, It seems that the spanish authorities sent in somemembers of its Army and a few helicoptersscouting the possible area of fall because, according to thespanish news media, quite a number of phone callsmade by members of the public who saw it, mentioned a "possible burning AIRCRAFT". In fact, a few callers from Vila Real, Portugal, also thought that they had seen the same and therefore, some portuguese policemen and firemen did some search as well, for a few hours - not "all day and night" as you wrote. Having THAT possibility in mind, I am sure that ALL countries would bother! Regards, Jos Campos Portugal -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of mark fordSent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 11:45 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] New fall in Spain Personally I doubt they will find much, needle in a haystack time, but it is interesting that the Spanish seem to be willing to send the army and helicopters to search all day and night! Most countries wouldnt bother. - Sometimes mankinds response to meteorite falls is more interesting than the actual rock! The information contained in this email may be commercially sensitive and/or legally privileged. It is intended solely for the person(s) to whom it is addressed. If you are not a named recipient, you are on notice of its status. Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this message from your system. You must not disclose it to any other person, copy or distribute it or use it for any purpose.
RE: [meteorite-list] Stardust Flyby Images of Comet Wild 2
Hi Ron, Great, most interesting animation! It seems that there was a very faint trace of a short, fan-shaped coma, seen from the comet's nucleous towards it's UPPER direction (as the picture is shown). Many thanks for sharing it with us. Jos Campos -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ron Baalke Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 12:33 AM To: Meteorite Mailing List Subject: [meteorite-list] Stardust Flyby Images of Comet Wild 2 I've added an animation of the Comet Wild 2 flyby images taken by Stardust to the Stardust website. Included is a chart from the Dust Flux Instrument showing the particle impacts on the spacecraft during the flyby, and another chart showing the spacecraft thruster activity: http://stardust.jpl.nasa.gov/news/status/040106.html You can view the animation directly from here: http://stardust.jpl.nasa.gov/images/w2_flyby1.gif Ron Baalke __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.556 / Virus Database: 348 - Release Date: 12/26/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.556 / Virus Database: 348 - Release Date: 12/26/2003 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Stardust Flyby Images of Comet Wild 2
Yes Ron, offcourse the spacecraft was well inside the coma at the time these series of images were taken; The double image effect is more noticeable on the 6th and 7th images; however, my impression of a very faint trace of a possible short fan tail, came from viewing the first 3 images. But in all probability, you are quite right. Thanks. Jos Campos -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ron Baalke Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 1:29 AM To: Meteorite Mailing List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Stardust Flyby Images of Comet Wild 2 Hi Ron, Great, most interesting animation! It seems that there was a very faint trace of a short, fan-shaped coma, seen from the comet's nucleous towards it's UPPER direction (as the picture is shown). Bear in mind the spacecraft was well inside the coma when it took the images. The feature you noticed is an artifact of looking through the periscope - a double image effect. Ron Baalke __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.556 / Virus Database: 348 - Release Date: 12/26/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.556 / Virus Database: 348 - Release Date: 12/26/2003 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Spanish fireball also seen from north of Portugal
Hi List, I can confirm that the fireball was also seen from several places in northern Portugal. The portuguese newspaper "Correio da Manhã" on its issue dated Tuesday 06 Jan 2004 (page 16), has another article on this fireball. Here is a summary of it: Meteor shower on the Iberian Peninsula: METEOR CAUSES PANIC Dozens of phone calls alerted on a "ball of fire". A meteor is the origin of the phenomena. The sighting of a strange flaming object in the sky caused viewers from different points ofPortugal, to enter into an alert, on sunday, on a possible aerial accident. Dozens of firemen went out looking fora possible fallen aircraft, untill the local Civil Protection authorities were informed that it might have been a meteorite fall that was visible from several places of the Iberian Peninsula. "It was a ball with an intense light and a kind of a tail. It seemed like something burning", explained Fernanda Peixoto who at the time was at the town of Viana do Castelo (north of Portugal), where she lives, when she observed the phenomena at around 17h00. Another woman also from Viana do Castelo, Alexandra Pereira, admited to have become scared: "It reminded me of a falling star but it had an enormous dimention and a much more intense luminosity", shesaid. Also Mr. Paulo Vilaverde, an assessor to the Civil Government of the Viana District, witnessed the fall of the meteorite: "I was coming along the road of Varroselatowards Vianawhen I saw an enormous brilliance. It called my attention becauseit was still daylight. It seemed to me that it was a meteorite and promply I called the Civil Protection Services". This same phenomena was also seen from Ponte de Sor, Viseu and Castro d'Aire (Portugal). At Viana do Castelo'sCivil Headquarters for Help-line, dozens of phone calls were received from several places from the Minho province. From the city of Viseu the "ball of fire" appeared in full daylight at around 15h30during a local soccer game between Academico and Vilafranquense at Fontelo Stadium: "I was staring towards one of the goal-lines when I saw a strong light (brilliance)" said José Morais, coach for Academico. In his own words, it was about "something passing by very fast, like a flash" and "it was so bright that it was even visible in daylight". A comet's trail: Scientifically, this Sunday's phenomena is predictable, since every year, at the beginning of January, the terrestrial orbit crosses through a zone of cosmic particles which give origin to a meteorite shower. Seen also from Spain: "A great ball of fire, surrounding a silvery star", that's how one of the spanish witnesses described what had seen in the sky at the time. According to this same witness, the ball of fire caused a strong explosion followed by the ground shaking". There were several phone calls made through several spanish provinces, between 18h00 and 19h00, with a variety of discriptions, including believingto haveseen "an aircraft in flames", while others said that they saw "flaming stars". At Galiza, it was also seen by members of the public and soccer players of both teams of Santiago de Compostela and of San Sebastian de los Reys. Also several phone calls were made to the spanish emergency services, from the areas of Madrid, Albacete, Valencia, Teruel and Baleares. (end). NOTE: The times given, are local times. At this time of the year, Portugal (and the UK) is 1 hour behind Spain. I doubt if the report from Viseu (Portugal), given as seen at 15h30 refers to another fireball or something else not related. José. Regards José Campos Portugal
FW: [meteorite-list] Mad Cow and Vaca Muerta
Hi Taurus the Bull, That cow that jumped over the moon, was afterwards it on the head and killed by a stony-iron meteorite. This same meteorite later became aptly known as Vaca Muerta, which, in Spanish means "Dead Cow"... Some scientists suspect that the cow was already mad, before itwas struckby the meteorite, and that with the hard blow, the cow's brain were all over the place, infecting some nearby prions in the process...but other scientists quickly said that's a lot of bull! Have a nice Sunday. José -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Howard WuSent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 8:33 PMTo: Francis Graham; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mad Cow and Vaca Muerta Prions are supposedly heat resistant and carry no genetic material. Then there is the question of how a prion would get into a cows brain. Only possible way I can think of is a direct impact to the skull by a micro fragment. Vaca Muerta comes to mind though any fall out in the range only witnessed by cows could be the culprit. And maybe the tale of the cow jumping over the moon is aoral record of space cows observed byaboriginals. Perhaps why cows are sacred in India is they were once visited by cows from space millenia ago Taurus the Bull..(i.e.Too ashame to sign my name to this one.) Francis Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: "We still had hamburgers for dinner that night," he said. "The odds of being hit by a meteorite are much greater than anyone in America dying of mad cow disease."Interestingly, there is some science behind thespeculation that something like a prion protovirus mayhave been carried to the early Earth by a meteorite,since life on Earth seems to have developed within 400Mya after cooling. But no one can be sure yet, sincethere are also models for a rapid RNA world that mightwork.Certainly the prion that causes mad cow was notbrought by a meteorite though, since it is toohost-specific. Unless there are cows in space. Nowthat would make interesting meteorites. :)Francis Graham__Do you Yahoo!?Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003http://search.yahoo.com/top2003__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
FW: [meteorite-list] Mad Cow and Vaca Muerta
Hi again! Sorry, I mean "hit" - not "it"... José -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Jose CamposSent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 1:00 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: FW: [meteorite-list] Mad Cow and Vaca Muerta Hi Taurus the Bull, That cow that jumped over the moon, was afterwards it on the head and killed by a stony-iron meteorite. This same meteorite later became aptly known as Vaca Muerta, which, in Spanish means "Dead Cow"... Some scientists suspect that the cow was already mad, before itwas struckby the meteorite, and that with the hard blow, the cow's brain were all over the place, infecting some nearby prions in the process...but other scientists quickly said that's a lot of bull! Have a nice Sunday. José -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Howard WuSent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 8:33 PMTo: Francis Graham; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mad Cow and Vaca Muerta Prions are supposedly heat resistant and carry no genetic material. Then there is the question of how a prion would get into a cows brain. Only possible way I can think of is a direct impact to the skull by a micro fragment. Vaca Muerta comes to mind though any fall out in the range only witnessed by cows could be the culprit. And maybe the tale of the cow jumping over the moon is aoral record of space cows observed byaboriginals. Perhaps why cows are sacred in India is they were once visited by cows from space millenia ago Taurus the Bull..(i.e.Too ashame to sign my name to this one.) Francis Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: "We still had hamburgers for dinner that night," he said. "The odds of being hit by a meteorite are much greater than anyone in America dying of mad cow disease."Interestingly, there is some science behind thespeculation that something like a prion protovirus mayhave been carried to the early Earth by a meteorite,since life on Earth seems to have developed within 400Mya after cooling. But no one can be sure yet, sincethere are also models for a rapid RNA world that mightwork.Certainly the prion that causes mad cow was notbrought by a meteorite though, since it is toohost-specific. Unless there are cows in space. Nowthat would make interesting meteorites. :)Francis Graham__Do you Yahoo!?Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003http://search.yahoo.com/top2003__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
FW: [meteorite-list] saying good bye now.....
Hello Tom, Im sorry about your news. I will miss your participation in this List, namely some interesting questions and points of view that so often you have raised in this List. I hope that you will be back soon! Best wishes, Jos Campos Portugal -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael L Blood Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 2:36 AM To: Tom aka James Knudson; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] saying good bye now. Hi Tom, Wow, what a bummer! You will be sorely missed. Best wishes, Michael on 1/1/04 6:20 PM, Tom aka James Knudson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello good List, I am not going to be on the List for a while, not because I want to leave ( I love this list) but because I have to. For the last few years my line of work has been slow so money has been tight. Well as luck would have it, my wife and I are getting a divorce right now and that left me and my teen daughter in a bind. Money is so scarce around here, we are forced to cut back on expenses, including our phone line and I do not know exactly how much longer I will be on line, so I thought I better say good bye now. I have worked in the telephone industry long enough to know that it is hard to dial up with no dial tone! : ) I just wanted you all to know, I am not leaving for any list related reasons, just have to do what I have to do! If anyone's looking for any meteorites, I will probably be selling most of mine. : ) ( this email is subject to change in case of a miracle! ) I hope you all have a great new year! Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- When Jesus said Love your enemies I think he probably meant don't kill them. Anonymous -- AMAZING photos of Aurora Borealis, etc. http://faculty.rmwc.edu/tmichalik/atmosphere.htm -- Hubble space telescope - AMAZING photos!: http://wires.news.com.au/special/mm/030811-hubble.htm -- http://www.costofwar.com/ -- SUPPORT OUR TROUPS: http://www.takebackthemedia.com/onearmy.html -- Worth Seeing: - Earth at night from satellite: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg - Interactive Lady Liberty: http://doody36.home.attbi.com/liberty.htm - Earth - variety of choices: http://www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/vplanet.html -- Panoramic view of Meteor Crater: http://www.virtualguidebooks.com/Arizona/GrandCanyonRoute66/MeteorCrater/Met eorCraterRimL.html -- Cool Calendar Clock: http://www.yugop.com/ver3/stuff/03/fla.html -- Michael Blood Meteorites Didgeridoos for sale at: http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.556 / Virus Database: 348 - Release Date: 12/26/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.556 / Virus Database: 348 - Release Date: 12/26/2003 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] (no subject)
Hi ALL List Members, In a few hours, we here in Portugal, will be celebrating 2004! We are on the same Time Zone as England - 2 hours behind the rest of continental Europe. To those of you who have allready entered 2004 - Happy New Year and a continuation of happy celebrations! To those who are still in 2003: I wish you and your Families, a Happy New Year! And: May a new meteorite fall safely, soon, in your hometown! (please, send me a fragment, lol !!!) Happy New Orbit to ALL! Regards José Portugal
Fw: [meteorite-list] the nuns want to go to tucson with me
Hey, Steve from Chicago! Do like Clint Easwood did in SEVEN MULES FOR SISTER SARAH! Are they a bunch of 7 nuns?? Send them to Tucson riding mules - an on their way back, have the mules loaded with METEORITES of all kinds - including some meteorwrongs! After all that foul language seen on the List a while ago, we might need the nuns to monitor this list... I hope you and all in the List - including de nuns - had a super Xmas! José Campos - Original Message - From: Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 7:39 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] the nuns want to go to tucson with me Good afternoon list.I got a very unusal email about 2 weeks ago from a NUN order from georgia.I guess they had been monitering the meteorite list and thought it would be cool to go to tucson next year.But what is so weird is that want to know if they can go with me.Well as you all know I have round trip airfair there and back.NO ROOM FOR ANYONE!!They thought that I sound like a fun guy and that I could show them the sites and sounds of tucson.What do you think list should I show them all the sites and sounds of tucson???They are going to have to get there on thier own.Maybe they could ask the FLYING NUN to come out of retirement and they could all fly AIRGOD.Well this is one of the most bizarre emails I have ever gotten.Comments of any kind would be welcome.Even proud tom can't top this one.Hey I was thinking, I don't think even MATTEO could top it either.Matteo and proud tom???Nah! It could never be! steve arnold, chicago = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Fw: [meteorite-list] To Mike Farmer
I too, would like to extend mycondolences to Mike and his wife and I heartily agree with the sentiments expressed by James. José Campos Portugal - Original Message - From: Claudia Carroll To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 11:50 PM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] To Mike Farmer Yes I think we all wish your wife and yourself all the best of comfort. I wish to add to Mark's sentiments and to thank you for all the help you have given me to help me hopefully not buy any of those dreaded meteorwrongs out there. Thank you James Carroll - Original Message - From: Mark Jackson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12/24/2003 8:03:06 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] To Mike Farmer Mike, I want to take a moment (I think we all do) and wish you and your wife as much comfort andpeace as possible for Christmas.Westruggle to put ourselves in your shoesto know your feelingsand find we cannot; so instead we offer you our thoughts and prayers. Thank you for all you've done to expand this endeavor we all share. Peace. Mark Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Photos - Get your photo on the big screen in Times Square
RE: Fw: [meteorite-list] the nuns want to go to tucson with me
Hi John Gwilliam - and List: Yep! I saw that movie long time ago! That's a good example of what inflation is all about! lol! Anyway, with 7 mules, I guess they can carry away from Tucson far MORE meteorites... Have a nice week-end. -Original Message- From: John Gwilliam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2003 4:59 PM To: Jose Campos; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Fw: [meteorite-list] the nuns want to go to tucson with me Good morning Jose and List, Jose, you must be referring to the 1970 Clint Eastwood movie, Two Mules for Sister Sara with Shirley MacLaine. Maybe the two mules have now become seven due to inflation. Best, John At 01:30 PM 12/27/03 +, Jose Campos wrote: Hey, Steve from Chicago! Do like Clint Easwood did in SEVEN MULES FOR SISTER SARAH! Are they a bunch of 7 nuns?? Send them to Tucson riding mules - an on their way back, have the mules loaded with METEORITES of all kinds - including some meteorwrongs! After all that foul language seen on the List a while ago, we might need the nuns to monitor this list... I hope you and all in the List - including de nuns - had a super Xmas! José Campos - Original Message - From: Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 7:39 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] the nuns want to go to tucson with me Good afternoon list.I got a very unusal email about 2 weeks ago from a NUN order from georgia.I guess they had been monitering the meteorite list and thought it would be cool to go to tucson next year.But what is so weird is that want to know if they can go with me.Well as you all know I have round trip airfair there and back.NO ROOM FOR ANYONE!!They thought that I sound like a fun guy and that I could show them the sites and sounds of tucson.What do you think list should I show them all the sites and sounds of tucson???They are going to have to get there on thier own.Maybe they could ask the FLYING NUN to come out of retirement and they could all fly AIRGOD.Well this is one of the most bizarre emails I have ever gotten.Comments of any kind would be welcome.Even proud tom can't top this one.Hey I was thinking, I don't think even MATTEO could top it either.Matteo and proud tom???Nah! It could never be! steve arnold, chicago = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.555 / Virus Database: 347 - Release Date: 12/23/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.555 / Virus Database: 347 - Release Date: 12/23/2003 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
