[meteorite-list] Face on Mars - Face on Earth
I'm sure some of you remember when Viking captured an image of what was believed to be an apparent face carved in a natural formation and the resulting speculation as to whether it might be artifical. http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast24may_1.htm We now have our own face, clearly visable from space. Our image has been named Rostro de Dios or face of God. http://wikimapia.org/#y=-16352427x=-71948090z=12l=0m=av=2 It can also be viewed using Google Earth. Randall - TV dinner still cooling? Check out Tonight's Picks on Yahoo! TV.__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Peruvian meteorite crater - friendly warning to hunters that may be considering...
Gary, I was told that hunters would turn the place up-side down. You know some people would, without respect for anything. Do I have to remind you? http://www.azstarnet.com/gemshow01/0202.html http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1324361.stm http://www.rockhounds.com/tucsonshow/reports/tucson96/snapsh12.shtm http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb3418/is_199708/ai_n8179903 http://www.sciencemag.org/content/vol277/issue5328/r-samples.dtl http://www.sciencemag.org/content/vol277/issue5328/r-samples.dtl http://www.umich.edu/~urecord/9899/Oct21_98/16.htm http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=48724 http://www.meteorite.com/missing_stolen.html Gem show briefs Dealer robbed 2nd year in row Five gemstones worth as much as $130,000 were reported stolen from a dealer at a gem show at the Best Western Executive Inn, 333 W. Drachman St. Owner Alijohn Nourestani was having breakfast on Sunday within view of his display of tourmaline gemstones when five pieces were stolen, he said yesterday The showcase for his business, Nourestan Gems Minerals - The Miners of Fine Tourmaline, was draped with a sheet when the theft took place, police were told. Nourestani, who has homes in Afghanistan and New Mexico, said yesterday that at the same show last year, he had several tourmaline gemstones stolen that were valued at between $8,000 and $10,000. He also had friends who had goods that were stolen, he said. I've been coming to the gem show in Tucson for 17 years, he said. I love Tucson. But we'd like the city to know we have problems. There are gangsters in Tucson. Police described the suspect as a 5-foot-7-inch man, about 165 pounds and wearing a flannel shirt and black pants. Gary K. Foote [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think so too. A warning like this is sure to gain friends and influence people. lol Gary On 22 Feb 2007 at 18:14, Dave Freeman mjwy wrote: Dear Gary; I kind of thought that maybe he should live a lonely life as his scare tactic would warrent that all meteorite persons would stay away from such a crabby appleton! His crater and the Peruvian government may be his ONLY FRIENDS! df Gary K. Foote wrote: A rather dark post Randall. Gary On 21 Feb 2007 at 18:44, Randall Gregory wrote: Information is expected to be released in April on the Earth Impact Databasethat will give the exact coordinates to the Peruvian meteorite crater. I have been warned that meteorite hunters will want to turn this site upside down. If anyone wishes to hunt at this site please contact me and we can discuss. Should anyone think about hunting without contacting me. I want you to understand that I have paperwork filing with the Peruvian government giving me mining concession rights to the crater and 100 sq. hectares surrounding the crater. It is a routine matter and approval is expected soon. Even with paperwork pending I still have legal rights here in Peru. I am serious about wanting to keep this crater in pristine condition until scientists have had the opportunity to study it in detail. Peruvian law has very strict laws concerning trespassing, especially when it concerns mines. I will not hesitate to prosecute and trust me, American jails would be considered luxury resorts compared to South American jails. Your sustenance will consist of beans, potatoes, and rice and maybe a piece of chicken if you're lucky.You might get 1 piece of fruit per week. You will have to drink the local water. Diarrhea will be your constant companion. I guarantee you will have non-stop nightmares all night every night. I know the system and I will make every attempt to lengthen your stay. There are ways to block your attempts to contact the American embassy. There is currently astanding rewardforreporting to the police, any meteorite hunter that may wander into this area.The reward is equivalent to 6 months income formost of thepoor people of this area. They arenow watchful and vigilant.The towns of Aplao and Castillo are small. Everybody knows everybody and I have many friends in each. All relevant police agencies have been notified by my Peruvian attorney. My advice, don't even think about it. Alternatively, if you want to hunt at the crater, I am open to discussion, but only after scientific studies have been completed. Randall No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list - Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC
[meteorite-list] Peruvian fall Feb 3, 2004 - crater pictures
List, Anyone interested in pictures of the crater can e-mail me. Randall - Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business.__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Peruvian meteorite crater - friendly warning to hunters that may be considering...
Information is expected to be released in April on the Earth Impact Database that will give the exact coordinates to the Peruvian meteorite crater. I have been warned that meteorite hunters will want to turn this site upside down. If anyone wishes to hunt at this site please contact me and we can discuss. Should anyone think about hunting without contacting me. I want you to understand that I have paperwork filing with the Peruvian government giving me mining concession rights to the crater and 100 sq. hectares surrounding the crater. It is a routine matter and approval is expected soon. Even with paperwork pending I still have legal rights here in Peru. I am serious about wanting to keep this crater in pristine condition until scientists have had the opportunity to study it in detail. Peruvian law has very strict laws concerning trespassing, especially when it concerns mines. I will not hesitate to prosecute and trust me, American jails would be considered luxury resorts compared to South American jails. Your sustenance will consist of beans, potatoes, and rice and maybe a piece of chicken if you're lucky. You might get 1 piece of fruit per week. You will have to drink the local water. Diarrhea will be your constant companion. I guarantee you will have non-stop nightmares all night every night. I know the system and I will make every attempt to lengthen your stay. There are ways to block your attempts to contact the American embassy. There is currently a standing reward for reporting to the police, any meteorite hunter that may wander into this area. The reward is equivalent to 6 months income for most of the poor people of this area. They are now watchful and vigilant. The towns of Aplao and Castillo are small. Everybody knows everybody and I have many friends in each. All relevant police agencies have been notified by my Peruvian attorney. My advice, don't even think about it. Alternatively, if you want to hunt at the crater, I am open to discussion, but only after scientific studies have been completed. Randall - No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started.__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Peruvian fall Feb 3, 2004 - crater pictures
List, Anyone interested in pictures of the crater can e-mail me. Randall - Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by Green Rating at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Peruvian meteorite crater - friendly warning to hunters that may be considering...
Information is expected to be released in April on the Earth Impact Database that will give the exact coordinates to the Peruvian meteorite crater. I have been warned that meteorite hunters will want to turn this site upside down. If anyone wishes to hunt at this site please contact me and we can discuss. Should anyone think about hunting without contacting me. I want you to understand that I have paperwork filing with the Peruvian government giving me mining concession rights to the crater and 100 sq. hectares surrounding the crater. It is a routine matter and approval is expected soon. Even with paperwork pending I still have legal rights here in Peru. I am serious about wanting to keep this crater in pristine condition until scientists have had the opportunity to study it in detail. Peruvian law has very strict laws concerning trespassing, especially when it concerns mines. I will not hesitate to prosecute and trust me, American jails would be considered luxury resorts compared to South American jails. Your sustenance will consist of beans, potatoes, and rice and maybe a piece of chicken if you're lucky. You might get 1 piece of fruit per week. You will have to drink the local water. Diarrhea will be your constant companion. I guarantee you will have non-stop nightmares all night every night. I know the system and I will make every attempt to lengthen your stay. There are ways to block your attempts to contact the American embassy. There is currently a standing reward for reporting to the police, any meteorite hunter that may wander into this area. The reward is equivalent to 6 months income for most of the poor people of this area. They are now watchful and vigilant. The towns of Aplao and Castillo are small. Everybody knows everybody and I have many friends in each. All relevant police agencies have been notified by my Peruvian attorney. My advice, don't even think about it. Alternatively, if you want to hunt at the crater, I am open to discussion, but only after scientific studies have been completed. Randall - Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited.__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Peruvian meteorite fall - Seismic data epicenter parameters
If anyone is interested in this kind of information, I have seismic data that was sent to me by my friends at the Peruvian Geophysical Institute (IGP). The data is from 6 separate seismic stations on the Peruvian network that recorded the earthquake on the Feb 2, 2004 meteorite fall at the exact time the people of Castillo witnessed the event. Randall Dear Profesor I am send to the data of earthquake-meteorite in ascii format Hernando ___ Dr. Hernando Tavera Director de CNDG-Sismologìa Instituto Geofisico del Perù Calle Badajoz 169 Urb. Mayorazgo IV Etapa - Ate - Lima Telf: 317-2308 - De: Henry Salas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Enviado el: martes, 27 de junio de 2006 8:36 Para: Hernando_Tavera Asunto: Re: Epicentral parameters Arequipa meteorite Jhony, Adjunto los registros del dia 02-02-2004 17:30 Hrs GMT. Hora del impacto del meteorito. Los registros estan en formato ascii y corresponden a las estaciones de SGR, TOQ, LYA, CUS, CVE y MISTI. Henry - Original Message - From: Hernando_Tavera To: 'Henry Salas' Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 4:21 PM Subject: RV: Epicentral parameters Arequipa meteorite Henry Por favor necesitamos las formas de onda del registro del meteorito solo de las estciones que lo registraron. En ascii seria bien HT ___ Dr. Hernando Tavera Director de CNDG-Sismologìa Instituto Geofisico del Perù Calle Badajoz 169 Urb. Mayorazgo IV Etapa - Ate - Lima Telf: 317-2308 - Asunto: Re: Epicentral parameters Arequipa meteorite Dr. Hernando Tavera, Thank you very much for the seismic data. I apologize for not responding to you sooner but we have been travelling and working on family business. I hope everything is well with you. Best Regards, Randall Gregory - Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Peruvian meteorite fall - Seismic data epicenter parameters
If anyone is interested in this kind of information, I have seismic data that was sent to me by my friends at the Peruvian Geophysical Institute (IGP). The data is from 6 separate seismic stations on the Peruvian network that recorded the earthquake on the Feb 2, 2004 meteorite fall at the exact time the people of Castillo witnessed the event. Randall Dear Profesor I am send to the data of earthquake-meteorite in ascii format Hernando ___ Dr. Hernando Tavera Director de CNDG-Sismologìa Instituto Geofisico del Perù Calle Badajoz 169 Urb. Mayorazgo IV Etapa - Ate - Lima Telf: 317-2308 - De: Henry Salas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Enviado el: martes, 27 de junio de 2006 8:36 Para: Hernando_Tavera Asunto: Re: Epicentral parameters Arequipa meteorite Jhony, Adjunto los registros del dia 02-02-2004 17:30 Hrs GMT. Hora del impacto del meteorito. Los registros estan en formato ascii y corresponden a las estaciones de SGR, TOQ, LYA, CUS, CVE y MISTI. Henry - Original Message - From: Hernando_Tavera To: 'Henry Salas' Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 4:21 PM Subject: RV: Epicentral parameters Arequipa meteorite Henry Por favor necesitamos las formas de onda del registro del meteorito solo de las estciones que lo registraron. En ascii seria bien HT ___ Dr. Hernando Tavera Director de CNDG-Sismologìa Instituto Geofisico del Perù Calle Badajoz 169 Urb. Mayorazgo IV Etapa - Ate - Lima Telf: 317-2308 - Asunto: Re: Epicentral parameters Arequipa meteorite Dr. Hernando Tavera, Thank you very much for the seismic data. I apologize for not responding to you sooner but we have been travelling and working on family business. I hope everything is well with you. Best Regards, Randall Gregory - Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta.__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Metbase - Meteorite Database
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[meteorite-list] www.venusmeteorite.com - What is a meteoroid?
MeteoriteKid, You wrote: With 'meteoroids,' however, (the definition of which tends to mean dust-sized, That implied my using the term meteoroid was incorrect, however that was not what I found searching for the actual definition. Wikipedia: The current International Astronomical Union (IAU) definition dates back to the XIth General Assembly, held in 1961: A solid object moving in interplanetary space, of a size considerably smaller than an asteroid and considerably larger than an atom or molecule. As a result of the inexorable progress of instrumentation, this definition is now deemed by many as unacceptably vague. The most common definition was proposed in 1995 [1] and sets the size limits of meteoroids to between 100 µm and 10 m across. Larger than that, the object is an asteroid; smaller than that, it is interplanetary dust. #2 NASA website How do you get so much energy out of a 3-inch meteoroid? Leonids travel fastabout 144,000 mph, he explains. At that speed, even a 3-inch rock packs tremendous energy. I believe I was correct in using the term meteoroid. Randall - Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out.__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] www.venusmeteorite.com - what are your opinions on this claim
Jason, Thank you for responding to my questions. I am also trying to gain a self-meteoriticized education. I was unaware of the attachment rule. PS - Attachments aren't supposed to be posted to the list, per list guidelines - you ask people if they want them and then send out privately... And if that pic's of a 'Venusian meteorite,' you should head out to Ludlow, CA, because there's a hell of a big area out there covered in beautiful desert-varnished basalt - I mean Venusian meteorites - just like that, with some pieces weighing a good few hundred pounds..downflow from Amboy Crater, a beautiful cindercone Unfortunately, I can not head out to Ludlow, CA to see the desert-varnish basalt, but I can assure you that it is not desert varnish. Wikipedia definintion of desert varnish Originally scientists thought that desert varnish was made from substances drawn out of the rocks it coats. Microscopic and microchemical observations, however, show that a major part of varnish is clay (which could only arrive by wind). Clay, then, acts as a substrate to catch additional substances that chemically react together when the rock reaches high temperatures in the desert sun. Wetting by dew is also important in the process. The varnish is primarily composed of particles of clay along with iron and manganese oxides. Another important characteristic of desert varnish is that it has an unusually high concentration of manganese. Manganese is relatively rare in the earth's crust, making up only 0.12% of its weight. In desert varnish, however, manganese is 50 to 60 times more abundant. This significant enrichment is thought to be caused by biochemical processes (many species of bacteria use manganese). I've already had basic mineralogical testing on my samples. (Remember, I have been working with the geologists at the National University of Peru). The mineralogical composition of the fusion crust is identical to the composition of the matrix. The analysis of the matrix, whole rock, and a cut/slice of the fusion crust show a very low concentration of Fe and Mn. The actual values are: Fe 4.93%, Mg 1.48%, Mn .23%, and Ni 69 ppm. The samples I have and the samples on venusmeteorite.com are not desert varnish. I know what desert varnish looks like. I've spent a great deal of time in the desert and have seen many rocks with desert varnish. With the cooperation of the UNSA geologist, it was ruled-out early in the analysis. Varnish is additive to the underlying matrix. One volcanologist said that it may be possible that my samples could be wind-polished basalt. This is a real possibility that I am currently pursuing beside the fact that the samples came from a prehistoric alluvial plain and showed evidence that there was an impact. Is it possible that a basaltic rock bubbled up and subsequently polished by the wind. Yes, it might be possible. I view it as unlikely due to the extreme hardness of this particular basalt (8 mohs), but it is a possibility, and I will not rule out ANY possibility. He has requested a sample which I will be sending out when I travel to Lima in the next few weeks. The extreme hardness of my samples has been puzzling to myself and the geologists at UNSA. My sample exceeds the natural hardness of basalt. In fact, it exceeds the hardness of quartz, which is considered to be the hardest naturally occurring mineral. Quartz hardness is 8.0, and my samples exceed 8.0 on the Mohs scale. Currently, the only known method of creating basalt harder than quartz is to grind it, apply a special heat treatment at 1300°C where it re-crystallises, giving it extreme Hardness: 8-9 on the Mohs scale. This process is known as cast-basalt. Where you would normally expect basalt to streak on quartz I have a picture showing how quartz streaks on my basaltic sample and I also have a video of the area showing the natural state (baby-powder fine sand) If you're interested, I'll send them off-topic. Best Regards, Randall Jason Utas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hell, here are a few more of some random ones. Jason On 2/15/07, Jason Utas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a pair of pics of my favorite cratered Sikhote. Jason On 2/15/07, Jason Utas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Randall, With my self-meteoriticized education, I might be able to help with at least a few of your questions... On 2/14/07, Randall Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mr. Webb,McCafferty and any interested parties on the list. If you don't mind, coud you please answer a couple of questions? Could your Martian impact scenario apply to ejecta from Mercury? http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2003/pdf/1933.pdf The spatial density (number per unit volume) of meteoroids varies as a function of distance from the sun, distance from a planet, ecliptic
[meteorite-list] www.venusmeteorite.com - attachments
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Re: [meteorite-list] Suspected meteorite. Basaltic rock with a fusion crust. Your opinion please, terrestrial origin?
Aloha, Thank you for your reply and taking the time to look at my photos. I remember Hawaii very well having spent a great deal of time on the Big Island. Most of my in-laws live in Hawaii. Some on the Big Island (Kona area), Honolulu (Mott Smith Dr.) and McCandless Ranch (Keith Unger). I married his sister Jenine Unger. Anyway, what I can tell you is that they are not obsidian related due to the total lack of glass. Right now I am in Arequipa, Peru and as you are well aware, is volcanically active (Ubinas) and seismically active (Of which I am occassionally reminded) Trust me, tremblors are not fun. :( Obsidian is relatively common and professors at the National University here in Arequipa have examined the stone. Obsidian and desert varnish have been ruled-out. Wind-polished lava is a distinct possibility at this time. My understanding is wind-polishing is a removal process and would tend to smooth out the surface. Would it be possible to send you a sample (whole rock and cut slice) when I return to the United States? If so, what are the requirements for a thin section. You will be free to keep both for your collection if you desire as the rocks are quite beautiful and unique. Randall John Lockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! I can't be sure from photos. I have seen wind-abraded obsidian ventifacts in desert environments that look like this, but their compositions would be very fifferent from any possible meteorite. They would also show glass composition in thin section or x-ray. Pretty easy to tell difference in a lab. They well could be meteorites - direct inspection is needed.. Aloha, Jack At 02:55 PM 02/15/2007, you wrote: I found this black basaltic rock close to a documented fall in the Peruvian desert but far from any volcanos. Could I have your opinion as to whether you have seen this exact type of rock in any of your field expeditions? Randall Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. John P. (Jack) Lockwood, Ph.D.. Consulting Volcanologist --- CPG-9806 P.O. Box 479, Volcano, Hawaii 96785 USA [Physical Address: 19-4260 Alanui Iiwi, Volcano, Hawaii, 96785] Tel: 1-808-967-8579, FAX: 1-808-967-8525 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Web Pages: http://www.volcanologist.com - Check out the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster.__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Suspected meteorite. Basaltic rock with a fusion crust. Your opinion please, terrestrial origin?
Aloha, Thank you for your reply and taking the time to look at my photos. I remember Hawaii very well having spent a great deal of time on the Big Island. Most of my in-laws live in Hawaii. Some on the Big Island (Kona area), Honolulu (Mott Smith Dr.) and McCandless Ranch (Keith Unger). I married his sister Jenine Unger. Anyway, what I can tell you is that they are not obsidian related due to the total lack of glass. Right now I am in Arequipa, Peru and as you are well aware, is volcanically active (Ubinas) and seismically active (Of which I am occassionally reminded) Trust me, tremblors are not fun. :( Obsidian is relatively common and professors at the National University here in Arequipa have examined the stone. Obsidian and desert varnish have been ruled-out. Wind-polished lava is a distinct possibility at this time. My understanding is wind-polishing is a removal process and would tend to smooth out the surface. Would it be possible to send you a sample (whole rock and cut slice) when I return to the United States? If so, what are the requirements for a thin section. You will be free to keep both for your collection if you desire as the rocks are quite beautiful and unique. Randall John Lockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! I can't be sure from photos. I have seen wind-abraded obsidian ventifacts in desert environments that look like this, but their compositions would be very fifferent from any possible meteorite. They would also show glass composition in thin section or x-ray. Pretty easy to tell difference in a lab. They well could be meteorites - direct inspection is needed.. Aloha, Jack At 02:55 PM 02/15/2007, you wrote: I found this black basaltic rock close to a documented fall in the Peruvian desert but far from any volcanos. Could I have your opinion as to whether you have seen this exact type of rock in any of your field expeditions? Randall Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. John P. (Jack) Lockwood, Ph.D.. Consulting Volcanologist --- CPG-9806 P.O. Box 479, Volcano, Hawaii 96785 USA [Physical Address: 19-4260 Alanui Iiwi, Volcano, Hawaii, 96785] Tel: 1-808-967-8579, FAX: 1-808-967-8525 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Web Pages: http://www.volcanologist.com - We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list.__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Suspected meteorite. Basaltic rock with a fusion crust. Your opinion please, terrestrial origin?
John, Thank you for your prompt reply and offer of assistance, All I can say is, WOW. It is indeed a small world. I'm sorry you never had the opportunity to view Misti and the other dormant ring volcanoes here in Arequipa. In the early morning when the air is clear, it is truly an amazing sight. I also hope that when you were in Cusco that you had a chance to visit Machu Picchu and Sacred Valley. My wife and I asked the park director for special permission to spend the night in Machu Picchu since park closes around dusk. I made a little donation to his Annual Machu Picchu Christmas Party Fund ;) The informal system here in Peru. I love it!! Needless to say, it was a very moving and somewhat spiritual experience. Part of the night was spent in the arena where the Inca's sacrificed children to their Gods. We tried to imagine what their night-time ceremonies were like. Quite tragic. The Incan architecture is mind-boggling in its scope and precision, and how they have fresh flowing water on top of that mountain is still somewhat of a mystery to me. We had Machu Picchu totally to ourselves for an entire night. I'll never forget it. Like the night Manta dives in Kona... memories to last a lifetime. Whoops, digressing here. Back to the problem. I'm a layperson with no formal training in Geology, Volcanology, or Cosmo-chemistry. I am searching for the truth about these rocks and so far, nobody in the meteorite community can positively identify them as meteorites. Most of them have very little field experience and have attempted to offer opinions as to what they might be. Alot of the responders have said desert varnish and obsidian type of rocks. Both of these have been ruled-out by the geologists here in Peru at the National University of San Augustin. I'll give you a brief background. I love to collect minerals and fossils. I was looking for nice but inexpensive piece of native Peruvian jewelry for my wife when I noticed this very unique stone. I asked the dealer from what area this rock came from and he told me the Aplao area. Just out of curiosity, I asked a friend where Aplao was. He said that's where the big meteorite fell. After investigated further, I found that this was not just a fall, but one of the largest falls in recent history. It registered 4.0 Richter at multiple seismic stations. More of the story can be found at: http://www.geocities.com/astroycpa/meteoritoaqp2feb2004.html After some time, people stopped looking for the crater. Since there is only around 160 known craters I felt the information on this fresh fall could provide the scientific community with very valuable information. To make a very long story short, I spent months organizing expeditions into the Peruvian desert and finally found the crater. Some geologists, who are now close friends, have accompanied me on these expeditions. They taught me a great deal about the desert environment. I also found the same type of rocks in the general area of the crater as the one I purchased in the jewelry store. During that time, I researched the Internet on meteorites, looked at hundreds of meteorite images, consulted with geologists and seismologists, and solicited opinions of respect people in the meteorite community. Unfortunately, the meteorite community has a tainted eye. Some have been very nice and offered genuine advice and opinions. Others have ridiculed me and had me run the gauntlet. To date, nobody has yet identified this rocks as terrestrial or non-terrestrial. One very unusual characterize of my samples is that they are absolutely identical to the first few images on www.venusmeteorite.com . The author of this website claims his rocks have a Venusian origin. I don't make any claims. I just want to find the truth. Since, I am unable to prove my samples are meteorites, I've decided to take the opposite approach and try to prove they're terrestrial. This is why I asked for your help. I hope you've had the experience of going to Green Sand Beach at South Point. If you have then you'll remember the wind farm. I talked to the supervisor of the wind farm one day and he told me that when digging the cables for the wind turbines, the contractor almost went bankrupt because the lava was so extremely hard. Preliminary testing has shown my samples exceed 8.0 (Mohs). In your experience, can lava exceed 8.0 (mohs) ? I know special heat treatments to basalt can raise their hardness level. In your estimation, what kind of heat is needed to raise the hardness of basalt. Could volcanic reheating of existing basalt accomplish this? I'm still in Peru, but as soon as I return to the United States, I'll send you what I have. What would cover your total costs? Just out of curiosity, do you live on the Big Island? I hope on the dry side! Aloha, Randall
Re: [meteorite-list] www.venusmeteorite.com - what are youropinions on this claim
Mr. Gallo, Thank you for your prompt reply and for also taking the time and effort to have your friend look at the photos. Maybe it's the glassy apperance of my samples that misleads a person to think they are obsidian related. My samples contain absolutely no glass and are not glassy like obsidian is. Peruvian geologists ruled-out obsidian and obsidian-related minerals very early in this analysis. If you look at the caption on the bottom of the picture, it reads: This dark well-exposed glassy unit can also be found on other locations miles away, Vitrophyre is another name for phenocryst-bearing obsidian. I now refer you to the the recent post where I have contacted a volcanologist in Hawaii. As you know, volcanologists are geologist that specialize in the study of lava, magma, and anything related to volcanos. I am looking now to volcanologists for terrestrial establishment. Unfortunately, I do not have as yet, whole rock analysis. When I return to the United States I will procure whole rock testing using INNA. Again, thank you for your reply. Randall gian paolo gallo gallo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hola again. Here some pictures of the Shoshone Mountain . Location: State Highway 178, ~ 4 miles east of Shoshone. Different colored (yellowish) strata are displayed but all of it is just tuff. Lake basin sediments top different flavors of tuff. The biggest crack in the wall is a nice example of normal faulting. Dense, west-dipping Dense, west-dipping vitrophyre (black band) drags students attention. This dark, well-exposed glassy unit can be also found on other locations for miles away. Vitrophyre is another name for phenocryst-bearing obsidian- Hola Mr. Randall . We sent your case to a geologist venezuelan friend and he said that both stones are a basaltic rich potassium magma stones, named SHOSHONITE, and they can be found in Mount Shoshone in Montana, USA, and central Andes cordillera Mountains, that is in Perù. Bolivia and Chile, Hope this help you and us to clear the subjet, because the geologist profesor friend, says that they are of terrestrial origin. Our best regards, Poalo Gallo - From: Randall Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gian paolo gallo gallo [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] www.venusmeteorite.com - what are youropinions on this claim Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 07:26:50 -0800 (PST) Mr. Gallo, Thank you for your reply. I am very anxious to see the pictures of the rock that you found. If you could please provide a few good close-ups taken in both natural (sunlight) and indoor flash showing details in the fusion crust and the internal matrix. I will take into account color variations. The picture on venusmeteorite.com apparently was shot indoors and mine outdoors. I used a Nikon F100 with Fuji Provia professional film. I don't expect professional photos, but I would like them to be of high quality. I am enclosing another picture of my rock and the picture in venusmeteorite.com to help you in your assessment of your rock. Please compare the two pictures noting the fusion crust and internal matrix. If at all possible, could you also provide information as to where the rock was found, why this particular rock was collected, and what do you believe it is. I will gladly hold true to my offer if indeed the rock is identical to the one on venusmeteorite.com and my rock. The $250 bucks will be immediately sent to you upon confirmation. But, I also want you to understand that your rock can't be somewhat similar, it has to be identical. If we should disagree, I will ask other members of this forum for their assessment.. My sample is absolutely identical to the first few pictures in venusmeteorite.com. He found his in Utah, I found mine in Peru. Sincerely, Randall gian paolo gallo gallo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Saludos , Mr Randall. Greetings from Venezuela. We have found a stone here in our State, that looks like somewhat the basalt looking stone of venusmeteorites.com. We are sending you a picture of it, hope it will help you and you will help us with the 250 bucks. Best regards, Paolo Gallo, M.V. - From: Randall Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED],meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Randall Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED],Andrei Olkhovatov [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] www.venusmeteorite.com - what are youropinions on this claim Date: Tue
Re: [meteorite-list] Adding a new impact site to the database
, Thank you for writing and sorry for the long delay for response. First of all, what concerns the Suspected Earth Impact Sites database, you need to contact David Rajmon. Here is e-mail address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Out of curiosity, do you have the coordinates of that possible impact structure? Also you say that the fall was witnessed and documented, do you have those documents? I would be greatly pleased to read more about this event, it is very interesting. Hope to hear from you soon. Gaetan Cormier Member of the Impact Field Studies Group http://eps.utk.edu/ifsg.htm 2007/2/15, Randall Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Gaetan, I would like to add the crater I discovered to the impact studies database. It is located in southern Peru result of a witnessed and documented fall in 2004. The impact registered 4.0 Richter magnitude quake, with energy release equivalent of 1 kiloton of TNT. I would also like to become a member, but unfortuneatly, I can't commit to the meeting requirement. Randall - Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by Green Rating at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. - Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food Drink QA.__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Gaetan, http://wikimapia.org/1171712 UNSA recorded epicenter: 7237'08.16w - 1600'01.71s IGPrecorded epicenter: 1620?59.77w - 7246'5707s Julio Rocco vantage point: 7229.37.86w - 1559'18.66s Condor Rock : 7235.08.82w - 1556'46.61s I have pictures and videos. Gaetan Cormier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very interesting Randall... The reason why I asked for the coordinates is just that I wanted to check out on Google earth thearea of impact. But if there's a crater, somebody probably took photos of it? you have any? 2007/2/17, Randall Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED]:Mr. Cormier, Thank you for your reply. Specifically, what documentation do you require? Background information on the fall can be found at: http://www.geocities.com/astroycpa/meteoritoaqp2feb2004.html www.geocities.com/astroycpa/astroalertas.html and can be translated from Spanish to English using Google language tools. Additionally, a Russian scientist investigating what he calls Geometeor events did a very good job of collecting information shortly after the fall. I have been in contact with him and after presenting the evidence, he agrees this was not a Geometeor event but an actual fall. The information he collected can be found at: http://olkhov.siteburg.com/gr1997.htm#20040202 Search for February 2, 2004 Peruvian geometeor event. The impact registered almost 4.0 Richter across the Chilean and Peruvian seismic station network. I have seismic data for the event from both UNSA(University National San Augustin) and IGP (Geophysical Institute of Peru). Chilean data is in-process. Initially, people thought it might have been a airplane that crashed and flooded the local police with calls. The police then called the military. After everyone calmed down, they contacted the National University in Arequipa. Hastily organized searches were undertaken, but and they were unsucessful (they never went far enough into the desert). My father-in-law is a retired professor and with his assistance, I was able to consult with geologists at the National University of Peru (San Augustin). I helped organize the first real scientific expedition with scientists and students into the area, but we were unsuccessful in finding the impact site. It was kind of a crude search but it gave me valuable experience. Learning from mistakes... I subsequently organized additional expeditions after contacting and interviewing eyewitnesses to the fall. One of the most important pieces of information I gathered from these interviews was, sound measurements. I asked each witness to recall the amount of time from when they seen the impact to when they heard the explosion. With this information and the relative speed of sound in dry air, I was able to estimate the distance. I now had the direction and also the distance. With GPS, satellite photos and maps supplied by the University, I was able to launch a more directed scientific expedition. Each of the previous expeditions helped to narrow down the location. On the 6th expedition, we found the crater. There were times when we literally risked our lives, walking along ridges less than 18 inches wide, with a drop-off of several hundred meters. We roped ourselves and traversed very very slowly. As a matter of fact, I lived for a time with a family where both the mother and father eye-witnessed the event. She was washing dishes at the time when she heard a sonic boom, saw the fireball trail, the flash of light when the meteorite hit, felt the ground shake, heard the resulting explosion, and watched a column of dust rise thousands of meters into the air. She was about 30 kilometers from the impact. Her husband was out in the field, but didn't see the actual fall, but witnessed the effects after the meteorite hit. My wife and I became close friends with this family and I was recently asked to be the Godfather for their son's newborn baby! One of the other witnesses, from a different vantage point close to the Majes river was tending his herd of cows, having lunch with his son and looked up to comment about the weather, when he heard the sonic boom and watched something streak from the sky. He said it was extremely fast and fell close to vertical. His eyewitness account was extremely helpful due to the fact that there were small mountains in front of him which gave us a good ground-based reference. His picture is on the first web-link (Astro-CPA) pointing to the mountains. His name is Julio Rocco, a poor farmer with a large family. You asked for coordinates for the crater. I will send them to you if I can be assured that they will not be published until my paperwork has been approved and I have paid for rights. I want to protect the crater and have paperwork filed with the Peruvian government to grant me a mining concession to the crater
[meteorite-list] venusmeteorite - Space slag, Boggy creek, Alien gems, Frass marble traders. What a circus
I would like to thank those people that responded to my questions. I am thinking of retiring from the list for short time to finish my research and have the impact crater registered. I need to devote my time elsewhere.To the people that have provided encouragement, support and would like further updates, Email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I'll send them off-list. I will keep my promise of payment for identical photos of my samples, but I am now not actively soliciting them. I am growing increasingly frustrated and need to regain my composure. So far, nobody has ever answered my basic question What definitive testing will prove space weathering. Recently, a meteorite dealer told me that pictures of my samples were sandstone covered by desert varnish even after I told him that the rocks were basaltic and geologists at the National University in Peru have never seen rocks like this. I've seen desert varnish many many times on my searches for fossilized Megalodon teeth in the Peruvian desert. Peruvian geologists are highly trained and well respected. This and other insults from meteorite dealers made me realize that alot of people are just marble traders and have little scientific knowledge or formal training. Some found meteorite trading profitable and others it's just an off-shoot of their main business of minerals and fossils. Some took their weekend excursions into strewn fields armed with metal detectors and found some meteorites to sell on e-bay. I mean no disrespect to any collectors with a genuine interest and appreciation of meteorites. I find them fascinating. You can sense my frustration. I agree that most know their marbles. Hey, I have a steelie, wanna trade. Yo, I have a peral-lie for sale. Wanna see a picture of a shooter? ooohhh I've got a cat's eye. So, along comes a guy with something a bit unusual. Hey, I found something and I'll call it a spark-lie for now. It looks like your marbles, rolls like your marbles, but I can't prove that it's a marble. Can you help me find out what it is? I'll even give you one for free. And alot of the marble players say sorry you can't play in our game with your unknown marbles and we're too busy buying and trading to help you. Buzz off. There has been speculation resulting from artificial ablation studies on terrestrial rocks that some meteorites may have a clear or transparent fusion crust. Hey, we now have a clear-rie! What marble dealer would recognize this as a marble? You know, I even offered to send (post-paid) a free sample to some dealers and never received a reply. I've read enough, and I'm done with dealers. Dealers reporting stolen meteorites then selling the missing meteorites to absentee bidders. The eBay scams, alien gemstones, space slag, dishonest dealers, and people looking only to profit has tainted my view somewhat of the people involved in the meteorite field. Some of you might recall the story of a well-known meteorite dealer that was accused of stealing a very valuable meteorite (considered to be a national treasure) from a museum in Brazil. He was apprehended at the airport with the meteorite in his luggage... Other people have e-mailed me and said my website www.venusmeteorite.com was very nice. IT IS NOT MY WEBSITE!!! and I never claimed my samples were from Venus. I repeat, my samples are identical to the ones found on venusmeteorite.com. That's all. I don't have a website. What a circus. I realized that the people that I should be talking to are volcanologists (neck-deep in lava, so to speak). They can give me a real expert opinion on basaltic rocks. So I am now taking the opposite approach. If volcanologists have never seen rocks like this and geologists have never seen rocks like this, then... guess what? If it can't be found on Earth then ... The response I've received from the people in the field of volcanology has been fantastic. They've requested samples, and will make 40 micron slices. They will be sending samples to other universities and another to friends at the Smithsonian Institution for further analysis and expert opinion. This is the type of response I was hoping from the meteorite community but never received. I received a great deal of ridicule. The exception are the few scientists that helped answer some of my questions. To them, my thanks and appreciation. As of this moment, only a few samples are know to exist, the author of venusmeteorite.com and myself thus making them even more rare than Martian meteorites. Score 34 for the Martians and approximately 18 for the ___? You fill in the blank. (Venusians, Mercurians, nut-bags, idiots, Space slaggers, whatever...) My wife suggested that I auction one to help with our costs. Let me reiterate, I am not in this to make money, folks. I will be incuring significant costs for very expensive private testing when I return to the United States.
[meteorite-list] www.venusmeteorite.com - Let the experts decide
Ken, You said not to rely on your own conclusions but let the experts decide. I am inclosing a e-mail I send 10 months ago to another forum. Please look at the bold text. It was my intention from the very start to have experts evaluate my claim. http://www.nuggetshooter.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=6757st=0gopid=70581#entry70581 Dated April 7, 2006 I have been searching for the impact site for about a year. I searched in remote and inhospitable areas. I've searched and camped out in the desert with a professor from the geology department from the National University here in Arequipa, Peru. And a short time ago, I found the impact site and a very large strewn field. I used satellite photos, eyewitness accounts, seismic data, and what really helped was the time difference between when the people saw the fireball and heard the impact. Knowing that the speed of sound in dry air travels at about 330 meters per second gave me a relative distance. I have collected quite a few samples and have had some testing at the National University here in Arequipa, Peru and some of my own testing. I'm sorry if I implied that I witnessed the fall. I only wish I had seen this incredible event, but soon, my wife and I will interview people that did witness the huge fireball that fell at 12:00 in the afternoon. My wife and I will be filming all the interviews and translating them into English. I hope to come close to experiencing this event through their descriptions. I hope this fall, the impact zone, and the meteorites collected will contribute a little more to science and our understanding of our universe. For my own curiosity, I did some crude testing on the meteorites when I first found them. The meteorites I found are composed of a very very hard black basalt type of rock with small crystalline structures. The fusion crust looks like melted shiny black plastic but is incredibly hard. A tested sample contains Nickel, Iron, and Manganese. I´ll go into more composition when further detailed scientific testing is completed, but I can say that their relative hardness exceeds 8.0. I can cut large quartz rocks all day long, but I wore out a industrial diamond coated stone cutting saw blade spining at 12,000 r.pm. trying to cut through a large fragment. A fragment will fracture when hit with a small sledge hammer. I also tried to duplicate the fusion crust by taking a chip and heating it with a oxy-acetylene torch until melting point but found that it produced a more glassy and thicker crust. I tried putting it in a blacksmith's furnace for various lengths of time without success. I seriously doubt that anyone could reproduce this type of fusion crust using any kind of heating methods. I have videos of my temperature and hardness testing. Some people I sent pictures to said my samples didn't look like known meteorites. I completely agree. I have looked at hundreds of photos of rights and wrongs. I really don't want to speculate but they are not like the meteorites I've seen on other web sites with the exception of one that I ran across recently. There is a fellow that claims to have found a meteorite from Venus.(www.venusmeteorite.com) His web site has a lot of information and I was almost convinced that this was another Spaceslag type of story. That was until I seen the first picture of the claimed basaltic meteorite. It is virtually identical to the meteorites that I am finding within the impact elipse. He found his in North America and I found mine in South America. As for the other pictures on his site I don't know if they are meteorites or not. I have seen alot of junk claims concerning meteorites. Spaceslag, Emerald Meteorite, it looks like a meteorite so it must be, etc. I am very cautious about releasing any detailed information and samples. I want my proof to be irrefutable and don't want to release any meteorites until they have been verified and cataloged. I suspect that this road may be longer and more difficult than actually finding the impact site. I'm sure that many people believe the possibility that one day, someone will find a meteorite that falls out of normal classification. I suspect many years ago that nobody believed we would find meteorites from the Moon or Mars. Concerning my meteorites, it is not for me to guess where they came from but up to professional planetary geologists to determine their origin once they have been verified. I can send you pictures of some samples I collected. What I can truthfully and positively say is that they are basaltic type (igneous) of rocks with a unreproduceable melted surface layer collected on a massive sedimentary plain with no traces of any other igneous rocks in a computed fall zone from an area where more than 300 people witnessed a massive fireball, saw a huge dust cloud form thousands of feet into the air, felt the ground shake, and heard a deafening explosion. At
[meteorite-list] www.venusmeteorite.com - Peruvian meteorite impact - additional information
The beginning of the story... Google language tools will help to translate from Spanish to English. I hope you enjoy the history of one of the largest witnessed and seismically recorded falls in recent history. http://www.geocities.com/astroycpa/meteoritoaqp2feb2004.html http://olkhov.siteburg.com/gr1997.htm#20040202 http://www.geocities.com/astroycpa/astroalertas.html http://wikimapia.org/1171712/ http://www.graphicmail.de/rwcode/default.asp?SiteID=3691Section=13234 http://www.particle.kth.se/~lindblad/Beijing.pdf http://www.frecuencialatina.com.pe/90segundos/detalle.asp?Catid=88NewsId=2981 http://www.arequipanoticias.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=456 Randall - Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited. - Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates.__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] www.venusmeteorite.com - what are your opinions on this claim
Ken, Thank you for you reply and the link to webwrongs. Yes, it's theolitic basalt with a melted surface. I hope you will keep an open mind and take the time to read this. Please take a look at the Geophysical Meteors on the web link you provided. I have had many communications with the author of that website, Dr. Andrei Ol'khovatov. If you would look at the Peruvian meteorite sighting on that website you will see that it was a mid-day witnessed fall and the impact was recorded by 3 different seismic stations (Arica Chile, Arequipa Peru, and Lima Peru). Dr. Mutsumi Shisutka (Institute Geophysical Peru) and Dr. Armando Minaya UNSA (University National San Agustin) assisted me by providing seismic recordings, and in turn, I provided them with the actual location of the crater. The actual location of the crater was important in helping to adjust their equipment in refining earthquake epicenters. The main mass at this current time in in-extractable due to the terrain but efforts are underway contracting with a heavy equipment operator to bulldoze a small dirt road. I have talked with the local government about buying a 100 hectares mining concession encompassing the crater to protect it. When the main mass is uncovered, I'll know more. It took me 2 years and 6 separate expeditions to find the crater. I lived for a time in the area of El Castillo with a family that witnessed this event. With satellite photos, eyewitness accounts, seismic data, detailed charts and assistance provided by the national university I searched for the impact area. I found it and I have all the proof. What is interesting is that some of the specimens I collected near the crater are identical to one of the pictures in the venusmeteorite.com. I went to ACTLABS in Lima, Peru to have a sample analyzed but they lacked the equipment necessary. They told me that ACTLABS.com (Canada) might be able to provide this analysis.The type of testing I need is space weathering. Specifically, solar to galactic ray tracks, oxygen isotope fractionation patterns, radionuclide measurements, and noble gas analysis. I would like to find a planetary geologist who will take to time to look at a specimen and read the reports but in reality, my expectations are low. I wrote to Dr. Korotev some time ago, but he too has doubts and his area of expertise is lunar meteorites. I can tell you that some of the rocks near the crater have a black splatter with the same characteristics as the samples. In an area of tan to rust colored terrain, a rock that looks like melted black plastic is unmistakable. I talked with a Peruvian government hydrologist (Jorge Mena) that works in this general area and he told me he has never seen rocks like that in his 40 years in the field searching for underground aquifers. Can you speculate what would a inner-planet meteorite look like? Does the fact that it fell mid-day have any significance? Would you expect a mid-day fall? Are mid-day falls rare? And if 20 years ago someone said that they had a meteorite that might just be from Mars, would anyone believe them? I have a lot of evidence but no definitive proof that these are meteorites or where they might have come from. I'm hoping you can help me find the answer. I am sending a copy of this email to Dr. Korotev in the hope that he would be kind enough to provide a introduction to Dr. Brett Gladman or Dr. Akira Yamaguchi if possible. Randall Hi Randall, It's basalt. Here are some more meteorwrong sites (bottom half) http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/webwrongs.html Best, Ken Newton Randall Gregory wrote: Has anyone seen this website and if so, what are your opinions as to the validity of his claims that the meteorites found are from Venus. And how would anyone know if a meteorite came from one of the inner planets? Would cosmic ray exposure and oxygen isotope be useful. What tests would be definitive? Randall - Have a burning question? Go to Yahoo! Answers and get answers from real people who know. - __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list - Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by Green Rating at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] www.venusmeteorite.com - what are your opinions on this claim
Mr. Webb,McCafferty and any interested parties on the list.
If you don't mind, coud you please answer a couple of questions?
Could your Martian impact scenario apply to ejecta from Mercury?
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2003/pdf/1933.pdf
The spatial density (number per unit volume) of meteoroids varies as a
function of distance from the sun, distance from a planet, ecliptic latitude
and longitude Are there any projections on the total number of spatial
meteoroids related to planetary volume?
Do meteoroids tend to group or stream? Or are streams and groupings a rare
occurrence?
Excluding space dust, my feelings are that streams and groups would be
predominant.
Due to a lower escape velocity, would a large asteroid impact on Mercury
close to it's aphelion be more likely to produce ejecta reaching the escape
velocities of Mercury/Sun than a similar event on Venus? Any probability
studies?
(For probability, I would assume the best/worst possible conditions:
equatorial launch, launch relative to planetary rotation, lowest daily
temperature range, and rock composition/density (basaltic mass).
Do you know of any studies with respect to meteoroids in space arriving to
earth as meteorites, do they have totally random trajectories due to collisions
or would they generally follow a straight course from their home
asteroid/planet? To put it quite simply, depending on rotation, impact time,
solar orientation, and impact angle could ejecta from a the inner planets
travel in a relatively straight line away from the sun. And would this same
scenario apply to planets outside earth's orbit. Could they travel in a similar
fashion towards Earth? And could this relate to the Earth's orientation to the
sun at the time of meteroite impact. In other words, would outer planet
meteroids be more likely to fall at night and inner planet meteorids fall
during the day.
Is fusion crust thickness directly related to the mineral characteristics of
density, hardness, melting point, thermal conductivity, and internal
tempurature of the meteoroid? Am I wrong in assuming that it is? Are there
other factors?
Would a shock-heated ejecta upon encountering the extreme cold of space cause
any changes in the density of the underlying material? What about ejecta at
melt temperature?
What would be the effect on micrometeorite pitting on various meteoroids?
Interplanetary dust particles (micro-meteoroids) were expected to form
well-defined craters upon impacting exposed material in space. Studying the
frequency and features of these craters will provide data on the mass-flux
distribution of micro-meteoroids and, to a lesser extent, on the velocity,
magnitude and direction - Study of Meteoroid Impact Craters on Various
Materials, NASA Langley Research Center.
Some of my samples show pitting which may be caused by micro-meteoroid
collisions. Due to the extreme hardness of the sample and sub-millimeter
thickness of the fusion crust these pits have been preserved. The ablated
material gathers on the trailing edge of these pits on orientated samples.
Do you know of any meteorites currently in collections that exhibit pitting?
What are the characteristics of the ablated material?
Are all meteorites tested for density and most specifically hardness?
And could anyone please help me retrieve this article:
author = {{Blanchard}, M.~B.},
title = {Artificial Meteor Ablation Studies},
booktitle = {IAU Colloq. 13: Evolutionary and Physical Properties of
Meteoroids},
year = 1973,
editor = {{Hemenway}, C.~L. and {Millman}, P.~M. and {Cook}, A.~F.},
pages = {241-+},
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Randall
Rob,
I was wondering if there would there be any ablation at all on the outbound
martian rock, from a planet with:
Surface atmospheric pressure: ~6.1 mb (about 1/150th that of Earth's)
Surface gas density: ~0.020 kg/m3
Surface temperature: ~210 K (-63 degrees Celsius)
Low escape velocity
And is it possible to achieve such a low impact angle or would gravity and
aerodynamic drag increase the angle so that a 1-3 degree trajectory may not be
possible. I believe existing ballistic models could be combined with a Mars
atmosphere model and gravitational model that might help to answer this
question.
Quite possibly a composite mathematical model borrowing code from the many
existing models might add validity to your theory. I believe Mars atmosphere
models, ballistic, compression, heating, and the myriad are all fairly
constant. It might not be such a large undertaking to help determine if a
lightly shocked rock could be back-spinned into space. I'd really like to see a
model like this applied to the other
Re: [meteorite-list] www.venusmeteorite.com - what are your opinions on this claim
journey. Sincerely, Randall Gregory SPANISH VERSION Excusar por favor mi español. He incluido una versión inglesa de mi E-mail también. Deseo agradecer todos que assistieron a nuestra reunión ayer para que tu hora y esfuerzo ayuden a la comunidad científica en Perú y los Estados Unidos a una comprensión mejor de nuestro universo. Antes de que mi esposa y yo nos fuéramos para Lima, pedimos que su padre sometiera un artículo pequeño al periódico local para anunciar el descubrimiento y para agradecer el UNSA por su ayuda en este descubrimiento. Nunca contábamos con que el periódico sensationalize esta historia. Este acontecimiento desafortunado me ha hecho suspender mis estudios por un período del tiempo. Durante la expedición pasada, mi equipo y yo hicimos dos excursiones al área del impacto. Mi intención era documentar completamente la zona del impacto y ampliar la búsqueda para considerar si otras estructuras pueden existir que contribuirían al descubrimiento. Puesto que es difícil estimar la cantidad de energía lanzada en impacto, creo que era importante documentar totalmente el área total. Puede haber impactos múltiples, impactos secundarios, impactites, arena fundida, tektites, micro-tektites, con cada uno contribuyendo un pedazo de información a esta historia de un impacto hiperactivo de la velocidad. La una cosa que esperaba no sucedería estaba para que la gente vaya al área del impacto y contamine cuál sigue siendo una estructura en un estado natural. y del mí proveerá de ti la información adicional que tengo en un período del tiempo corto. Los coordenadas del GPS qué llamamos de (blanked out) que de este punto primero puedes ver el cráter son (blanked out) otra posición ventajosa más cercano al impacto es (blanked out). Confío en que la gente en el IGP y por favor (please) la única cosa que pido de ti es que guardas esta información del conocimiento público hasta que he terminado mi estudio. Tengo vídeo registrado algunas partes de la expedición a que también quisiera compartir con ti en algún momento en muy cercano el futuro. Las definiciones de algunos de los términos que utilicé se enumeran abajo. Impactites - vidrioso, las rocas fundidas se pueden también producir directamente por el de alta temperatura y la presión de un impacto del meteorito o apenas de su onda expansiva, sin la proyección del material fundido para arriba en nuestra atmósfera. El cristal fundido y las rocas fracturados por la alta presión se han encontrado cerca de los cráteres del impacto Tektites - pequeño, guijarro-como los objetos vidriosos del material de la tierra que han sido derretidos por impacto del meteorito, salpicados para arriba en nuestra atmósfera, y caídos a la tierra otra vez bajo gravedad. Adquieren a menudo formas aerodinámicas cuando derriten parcialmente en su viaje de vuelta. Sinceramente, Randall Gregory ken newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Randall, I think we would all be interested in seeing photos of the crater you found and your suspect meteorites rather than the roundabout way you began this discussion. As to whether anyone can assist you, depends if you are seeking truth or a preconceived idea. If you are really seeking the truth, I offer one piece of advice, don't rely on your own conclusions. Let the evidence (test results) as evaluated by two experts be the final say so. If the first does not lead you where you thought it might, get a second opinion of the evidence and if nothing has changed, let it drop. Sadly, there are too many persons that have obsessed over simple objects to their folly. Instead of heeding correct expert analyses they jump to the next expert hoping for a different result, critical of any who do not share their imagined expectation. Why can't it be this rare thing or that rare thing they ask. (see - http://tinyurl.com/34zlbf) The fruitage of obsession is frustration and paranoia. Not a good road to be on. Best Wishes on the recovery of the main mass, Ken Newton Randall Gregory wrote: Ken, Thank you for you reply and the link to webwrongs. Yes, it's theolitic basalt with a melted surface. I hope you will keep an open mind and take the time to read this. Please take a look at the Geophysical Meteors on the web link you provided. I have had many communications with the author of that website, Dr. Andrei Ol'khovatov. If you would look at the Peruvian meteorite sighting on that website you will see that it was a mid-day witnessed fall and the impact was recorded by 3 different seismic stations (Arica Chile, Arequipa Peru, and Lima Peru). Dr. Mutsumi Shisutka (Institute Geophysical Peru) and Dr. Armando Minaya UNSA (University National San Agustin) assisted me by providing seismic recordings, and in turn, I provided them with the actual location of the crater
Re: [meteorite-list] Cutting a Window
My understanding is that polishing a window is normally used for gemstones. I'm wondering how polishing might affect the internal matrix of a meteorite. Randall Greg Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Gary, You can always polish a window instead of cutting one. That is, unless you would like a small end cut to go with the larger stone as well. Have fun! Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 - Original Message - From: Gary K. Foote To: Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 11:35 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Cutting a Window Hi Listoids, Can anyone offer me good advice on how to cut a window in a meteorite without a lapidary saw? Can a regular table saw be modified for this use? If not, is there anything other than a lap saw that will do a good job? Thanks, Gary http://www.meteorite-dealers.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list - Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] www.venusmeteorite.com - what are your opinions on this claim
Mr. Webb,McCafferty and others. If you don't mind, I have a few more questions. Do you know of a facility that could perform 187Os/186Os ratios testing at a reasonable price? Would element variations and ratios in the fusion crust be indicative of extraterrestrial origin. In other words, would the capture and melting of space dust into the fusion crust, thus causing elemental variances be a good indicator? Do you know of any comparative analysis of the fusion crust/matrix that could be identified as high versus low atmospheric heating? Does rapid atmospheric heating alter the fusion crust differently than terrestrial heating? Do you know if artificial ablation has been compared to natural ablation on meteorites? I tried different types of heat on a sample that I fractured and found that an artificially heated sample created a very different type of fusion crust. The artificial crust was glassy and somewhat brittle. In the vacuum of space, all meteorids would receive solar radiation in varying degrees and cooled by space itself. Could the temperature of a near-earth meteroid be projected from it's mineral characteristics? In other words, we know meteorites are cold, but the question is how cold are they before they reach the Earth's atmosphere? Thanks, Randall - Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit.__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] www.venusmeteorite.com - what are your opinions on this claim
Has anyone seen this website and if so, what are your opinions as to the validity of his claims that the meteorites found are from Venus. And how would anyone know if a meteorite came from one of the inner planets? Would cosmic ray exposure and oxygen isotope be useful. What tests would be definitive? Randall - Have a burning question? Go to Yahoo! Answers and get answers from real people who know.__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
