Re: [meteorite-list] Very sad news

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Hello Bernd, 

Indeed, this is very sad news.  Thanks for your post. 
It should be noted that not only was John Blennert a legendary Arizona 
metal-detectorist in regards to gold and meteorites, he made substantial 
contributions to archeology.  (See links below)  He known worldwide, so it is 
no surprise that news of his passing came to us here on the Met-List by way of 
Germany.

https://www.detectorprospector.com/topic/25727-we-lost-john-blennart-of-tucson/page/2/#comments

https://forums.robsdetectors.com/topic/5950-attention-doc/ 

http://www.chichilticale.com/60.htm  

http://www.chichilticale.com/17.htm  








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Dear List, 

  

It is my sad duty to inform you that John Blennert has passed away :-( 

  

John, rest in peace! 

  

Bernd 


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Re: [meteorite-list] Artificial Meteor Science Data Gained

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Thank you "newsspace" for providing this link.  I'll limit my comments to your 
link, although there is more information about this "Subject", but it is behind 
a paywall.  
I'm surprised that this List didn't comment sooner on the well-documented, 
well-tracked recovery, and more to the point:  the fact that they had visual on 
this "artificial meteor" all the way from "peak heating" (most luminous) all 
the way down to the ground - all the way from hypersonic, thru  supersonic, 
thru transonic, down to subsonic.  What this means is that they had visual on 
this thing thru dark-flight... DARK FLIGHT!  

It goes without saying that this is a game-changer. It's a proof-of-concept 
that shows this technology could be applied to Earth-crossing meteoroids (of 
this size and larger) - if we can detect the meteoroid soon enough, if we can 
predict the fall zone soon enough, and if we can install and test the portable 
sensor array before the fall event occurs.  We've proven it can be done.  

So, the more pertinent news to me is not that "Artificial Meteor Science Data 
[is] Gained", but that "Realtime Meteoroid/Meteorite-Recovery is Now Possible"! 

My question is this: How long do we have to wait until an official 
"Meteorite-Recovery Team" is formed?  
Has there even been funding allocated for this capability? 
Or is impossible to get funding for an event that may only happen once a 
decade, if ever?  
Or do we have to wait until it becomes political - like when another country 
beats us to the punch?  


  
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 01:42:48 PM PDT, newsspace--- via 
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Leonard David/Inside Outer Space:

OSIRIS-REx Capsule Re-entry: “Artificial Meteor” Science Data Gained 

https://www.leonarddavid.com/osiris-rex-capsule-re-entry-artificial-meteor-science-data-gained/

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Re: [meteorite-list] Artificial Meteor Science Data Gained

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Thank you "newsspace" for providing this link.  I'll limit my comments to your 
link, although there is more information about this "Subject", but it is behind 
a paywall.  
I'm surprised that this List didn't comment sooner on the well-documented, 
well-tracked recovery, and more to the point:  the fact that they had visual on 
this "artificial meteor" all the way from "peak heating" (most luminous) all 
the way down to the ground - all the way from hypersonic, thru  supersonic, 
thru transonic, down to subsonic.  What this means is that they had visual on 
this thing thru dark-flight... DARK FLIGHT!  

It goes without saying that this is a game-changer. It's a proof-of-concept 
that shows this technology could be applied to Earth-crossing meteoroids (of 
this size and larger) - if we can detect the meteoroid soon enough, if we can 
predict the fall zone soon enough, and if we can install and test the portable 
sensor array before the fall event occurs.  We've proven it can be done.  

So, the more pertinent news to me is not that "Artificial Meteor Science Data 
[is] Gained", but that "Realtime Meteoroid/Meteorite-Recovery is Now Possible"! 

My question is this: How long do we have to wait until an official 
"Meteorite-Recovery Team" is formed?  
Has there even been funding allocated for this capability? 
Or is impossible to get funding for an event that may only happen once a 
decade, if ever?  
Or do we have to wait until it becomes political - like when another country 
beats us to the punch?  


On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 01:42:48 PM PDT, newsspace--- via 
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Leonard David/Inside Outer Space:

OSIRIS-REx Capsule Re-entry: “Artificial Meteor” Science Data Gained 

https://www.leonarddavid.com/osiris-rex-capsule-re-entry-artificial-meteor-science-data-gained/


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[meteorite-list] Mysterious patches of glassy rock across Atacama Desert

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This story caused a big splash on the Internet back in late-2021, but I'm still 
looking for a published paper.  
Has anyone heard anything more about this speculated comet impact?  

Here is a follow-up article (dated Nov. 8, 2021) regarding a reported finding 
of impact-melt glass from a suspect "comet impact in the Atacama Desert".  
https://www.sci.news/space/atacama-desert-comet-10247.html

Here is the original CNN article:  
https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/03/world/atacama-desert-glass-comet-scn/index.html
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[meteorite-list] Scientists Intrigued by Huge Structure Buried Under Australia

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World’s largest asteroid impact may be buried in Australia
Magnetic patterns beneath New South Wales' Murray Basin correspond to a 
colossal impact structure.

https://interestingengineering.com/science/worlds-largest-asteroid-impact-australia
  


New evidence suggests the world’s largest known asteroid impact structure is 
buried deep in southeast Australia
Published: August 9, 2023 11.24pm EDT

https://theconversation.com/new-evidence-suggests-the-worlds-largest-known-asteroid-impact-structure-is-buried-deep-in-southeast-australia-209593
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[meteorite-list] Show me the Shock

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https://www.space.com/boomerang-meteorite-left-earth-and-returned

A dark reddish-brown stone, picked up from the Sahara desert in Morocco a
few years ago, appears to be an Earth rock that was flung into space where 
it stayed for thousands of years before returning home ? surprisingly intact. 

If scientists are right about this, the rock will officially be named the 
first meteorite to boomerang from Earth. [Not for certain!]

The discovery team's work was *presented*
( https://conf.goldschmidt.info/goldschmidt/2023/meetingapp.cgi/Paper/20218 )
last week at an international geochemistry conference and has not yet been
published in a peer-reviewed journal.

"I think there is no doubt that this is a meteorite," said Frank Brenker, a
geologist at the Goethe University Frankfurt in Germany, who was not
involved with the new study. "It is just a matter of debate if it is really 
from Earth."  [But, still could be the other way around.]

Early diagnostic tests show the unusual stone features the same chemical
composition as volcanic rocks on Earth. Interestingly, however, a few of
its elements seem to have been altered into lighter forms of themselves.
These lighter versions are known to occur only upon interacting with
energetic *cosmic rays* ( https://www.space.com/32644-cosmic-rays.html ) 
in space, which provided one of two key pieces of evidence 
declaring the rock's trip beyond Earth, geologists say.

Other pending measurements include unambiguous data about how much shock 
from the original impact the stone absorbed. This unique signature can be 
detected 
in the permanently altered microstructures of the mineral crystals forming the 
rock. 
Estimating the meteorite's shock levels is "something that can be checked or 
done 
in one hour or so max, using naked eyes," Ferrière said, "thus, not costly and 
a 
very important observation in this case."  

( https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/uh7CnCZNh4MNnFY78yR2ke.jpg )
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Re: [meteorite-list] Still no pics of "meteorite" that hit French woman.

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of next to us,' she said.
'In the second that followed, I felt a shock on the ribs. I thought it was an 
animal, a bat.
'We thought it was a piece of cement, the one we apply to the ridge tiles, but 
it didn't have the colour.'

It is unclear where the rock is now, but Dr Rebmann previously suggested that 
scientists should study it further to confirm its exact origin.
According to NASA, Earth is bombarded with more than 100 tons of dust and 
sand-sized particles every day, but most burn up before reaching the planet's 
surface.
Meteorites the size of a golf ball hit Earth every few years, but the frequency 
of them impacting populated areas is even smaller.
This is particularly the case because our planet's surface is around 71 per 
cent ocean.  
The rocks tend to be more easily spotted when they land in a desert, because 
they contrast with the stark landscape and are less likely to be covered in 
dirt or vegetation.

'It's very rare, in our temperate environments, to find them,' Dr Rebmann said.
'They merge with other elements. On the other hand, in a desert environment, we 
can find them more easily.'  

This isn't the first time a person has been hit by a space rock.
The only known person to be hit by a space rock was Alabama woman Ann Hodges, 
who was struck by a grapefruit-sized meteorite in November 1954.  
It crashed through the roof of her home while she slept and hit her upper thigh 
and hand, but she survived the ordeal and only suffered bruising.

According to a 2020 study, the only recorded case of meteorite killing a human 
goes back more than 130 years.
At the time, the study authors found evidence of a meteorite that killed one 
man and left another paralysed after it fell 'like rain' on the Iraqi village 
in Sulaymaniyah in August 1888.  
The event was not uncovered until 2020 because documents describing it were 
written in an old Ottoman-Turkish language that is hard to translate.
The documents, written by local authorities and sent to the government, 
described how 'a strong bright light was accompanied by smoke and travelled 
toward a village'.
The translation went on to say that meteorites fell for a period of about ten 
minutes 'like rain', killing one man and seriously injuring another.


 On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 02:18:21 PM PDT, Robert Verish via Meteorite-list 
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From: 
https://www.unilad.com/news/world-news/woman-hit-meteorite-size-golf-ball-france-616020-20230717
 --  "Woman claims she was hit by a meteorite the size of a golf ball after 
getting rock analyzed"  --  Probably too late for this warning, but too many 
people are saying that the images in the above news article is the Subject 
meteorite.  It isn't!  That edited image is from the Getty Archive, and it is 
me (Robert Verish) holding the Los Angeles meteorite 24 years ago.  And the 
other image is an obvious chunk of slag.  Look at how many articles have 
already been written about this French "meteorite":   
https://www.google.com/search?q=geologist+Dr+Thierry+Rebmann  
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[meteorite-list] Still no pics of "meteorite" that hit French woman.

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From: 
https://www.unilad.com/news/world-news/woman-hit-meteorite-size-golf-ball-france-616020-20230717
 --  "Woman claims she was hit by a meteorite the size of a golf ball after 
getting rock analyzed"  --  Probably too late for this warning, but too many 
people are saying that the images in the above news article is the Subject 
meteorite.  It isn't!  That edited image is from the Getty Archive, and it is 
me (Robert Verish) holding the Los Angeles meteorite 24 years ago.  And the 
other image is an obvious chunk of slag.  Look at how many articles have 
already been written about this French "meteorite":   
https://www.google.com/search?q=geologist+Dr+Thierry+Rebmann  
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[meteorite-list] Heritage "Thursday Auction" this week is mostly meteorites

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The "Thursday Auction" on Heritage (which runs for a week, and is usually 
minerals and fossils) is mostly meteorites this week. There are 6 Sikhote-Alin 
currently being given away (literally) at an opening bid of $1.  
https://fineart.ha.com/c/auction-home.zx?SaleNo=212215=hero-ThursdayInternetNaturalHistory-auctionInfo-212215-040722
Bob V. 
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[meteorite-list] Fw: Heritage Nature & Science Auction #8073

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 There are also a couple of tektites offered, to include a 30gram Bediasite.Bob 
V. 
   - Forwarded Message - From: Kissick, Craig - 1995 To: 
Kissick, Craig - 1995 Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2022, 05:36:54 
PM PDTSubject: Nature & Science Auction #8073
  
Dear Friend of Natural History,
 
 
 
The current Nature & Science auction #8073 closes this Friday starting at 
12:00PM CDT.  Please check outwww.ha.com/8073 to see the truly spectacular 
assortment of Fossils, Meteorites and Lapidary Arts as well as Golds, Fine 
Minerals and Gemstones.  All of our categories are well represented in 
theShowcase auction.  From an incredible pair of Dinosaur Footprints and an 
exceptionalT-rex tooth to both top Lunar and Martian meteorites as well as a 
surreal Chalcopyrite cluster to a massive Gold nugget from Australia, the 
offerings are an outstanding mix of quality, size, rarity and aesthetics.  
Please do not hesitate to contact me personally with any questions or for 
assistance with bidding.  My direct number is(214) 551-5320.  This sale is full 
of superb examples of all our categories.  Each Lot has many beautiful photos 
and a detailed description online.
 
 
 
Thank you,
 
 
 
Craig C. Kissick
 
Director, Nature & Science
Heritage Auctions
 
Ph. (214) 409-1995
 
www.ha.com
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[meteorite-list] Fw: January 17 Showcase Nature & Science Auction

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Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
   - Forwarded Message - From: "Kissick, Craig - 1995"  
To: "Kissick, Craig - 1995"  Cc:  Sent: Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 
21:21 Subject: January 17 Showcase Nature & Science Auction   

Dear Friend of Natural History,
 
  
 
I just wanted to reach out with a friendly reminder that our currentShowcase 
Nature & Science auction ends January 17.  An outstanding assortment of 
Meteorites, Fossils, and Lapidary Arts as well as a select group of Fine 
Minerals, Golds, and Gemstones characterize this sale.  Here is a convenient 
link to the auction online, and I invite you to check out the offerings 
presented in this curated “old school” Natural History auction:
 
  
 
www.ha.com/29156
 
  
 
Thank you for your continued support,
 
  
 
Craig C. Kissick
 
Director, Nature & Science
Heritage Auctions
 
Ph. (214) 049-1995
 
www.ha.com
 

   
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[meteorite-list] Meteorite Minerals -- the book

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Hello All,

Just wanted to inform the subscribers of this Met-List, that Alan Rubin and Chi 
Ma have written a book called "Meteorite Mineralogy", just published by 
Cambridge University Press as part of its Planetary Science Series. I think the 
readers on this List will find it of interest.  It is widely available, as well 
as, on Amazon.

Bob V.


Meteorite Mineralogy

(Cambridge Planetary Science, Series Number 26)
New Edition

by Alan E. Rubin (Author), Chi Ma (Author)

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/image/I/51xcx47ChWS._SX344_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

Meteorites are fascinating cosmic visitors. Using accessible language, this 
book documents the history of mineralogy and meteorite research, summarizes the 
mineralogical characteristics of the myriad varieties of meteorites, and 
explains the mineralogical characteristics of Solar System bodies visited by 
spacecraft.  Some of these bodies contain minerals that do not occur naturally 
on Earth or in meteorites. The book explains how to recognize different phases 
under the microscope and in back-scattered electron images.  It summarizes the 
major ways in which meteoritic minerals form – from condensation in the 
expanding atmospheres of dying stars to crystallization in deep-seated magmas, 
from flash-melting in the solar nebula to weathering in the terrestrial 
environment. Containing spectacular back-scattered electron images, colour 
photographs of meteorite minerals, and with an accompanying online list of 
meteorite minerals, this book provides a useful resource for meteorite 
researchers, terrestrial mineralogists, cosmochemists and planetary scientists, 
as well as graduate students in these fields. 

Editorial Reviews

Book Description:
A comprehensive summary of the mineralogy of all meteorite groups and the 
origin of their minerals.

About the Authors: 
Alan Rubin is a meteorite researcher who recently retired from the University 
of California, where he worked as a research geochemist. He is a fellow of the 
Meteoritical Society and winner of the Nininger Meteorite Award and seven 
Griffith Observer science writing awards. He is the namesake of the garnet 
mineral rubinite and the main-belt asteroid 6227Alanrubin. He has one other 
published book – Disturbing the Solar System (Princeton, 2004).

Chi Ma is a mineralogist at the California Institute of Technology, with 
research interests in nanomineralogy and the discovery of new minerals, 
especially those representing extreme conditions of formation. He has 
discovered and/or led investigations on 45 new minerals, including 14 
refractory minerals from the solar nebula and 11 high-pressure minerals. The 
oxide mineral machiite was named in his honour.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Breja

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 Oued Sfayat

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On Friday, July 9, 2021, 10:58:18 PM PDT, Albert Jambon via Meteorite-list 
 wrote:  
 
 Algeria


Le 09/07/2021 à 19:14, John Lutzon via Meteorite-list a écrit :
> Hello,
>
> Does anyone have thoughts on why meteorite "Breja" hasn't been classified
> despite its apparent witnessed fall, etc.?
>
> John
> #1896
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite pictures

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 Dean has informed me that his specimen has been turned-in for classification, 
and that the general consensus is -- enstatite chondrite -- so Michael, you may 
be right. 
Time will tell, Bob V. 
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On Thursday, June 17, 2021, 8:23:14 AM PDT, Michael Murray via 
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 I might have been somewhat close with my guess of EH. : ). Mike
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite pictures

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Hey Dean, 

Did you ever get an ID or resolution on your metal-grain-rich meteorite? 
I'm surprised that no one mentioned the possibility of it being an "HH 
chondrite".See these two photos by Greg Stanley of his Nova 010 purchase: 

https://meteorite-recovery.tripod.com/bolide-chaser/Nova_010_H-an_-_ts.jpghttps://meteorite-recovery.tripod.com/bolide-chaser/Nova_010_H-an_-_UCLA_type-sp.jpg
Just curious, 
Bob V. 

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On Thursday, May 27, 2021, 10:27:03 AM PDT, dean bessey via Meteorite-list 
 wrote:  
 See two photos. Anybody have any guesses as to what it is or recognise it as 
paired with something? Very strongly magnetic - closer to an iron than a H 
chondriteCheersdean
http://www.meteoriteshop.com/pictures/7454h.jpg
http://www.meteoriteshop.com/pictures/7454i.jpg
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[meteorite-list] Fw: [UCLA Meteorite Gallery] UCLA Meteorite Gallery Poetry Contest 2021- Submissions Open!

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 https://meteorites.ucla.edu/
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Date: Sat, Apr 10, 2021, 11:02 AM
Subject: [UCLA Meteorite Gallery] UCLA Meteorite Gallery Poetry Contest 2021- 
Submissions Open!
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In celebration of National Poetry Month, we invite all enthusiasts to submit up 
to 3 poems about meteorites, asteroids, or impacts. We welcome all poetic forms 
such as haikus, sonnets, limericks, free verses, etc. After careful review of 
all submissions, we will publish the top 10 poems on our website and the top 3 
poems will be posted in the UCLA Meteorite Gallery. Please submit all poems to 
Juliet Hook at jah...@ucla.edu by May 1st, 2021.

We kick off this contest with an introductory poem by our curator Dr. Alan 
Rubin.

Waltzing 253 Mathilde

Crushed and cratered, shattered, pelted,
Shocked and fractured, sintered, melted,
Blackened, jumbled, porous, blocky,
Rent, fragmented, vuggy, rocky,
Slowly spinning in the void;
It's a battered asteroid!

Check out our website for inspiration from top literary figures such as Robert 
Frost and his "A Star in a Stone Boat."


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[meteorite-list] Fireball over Connecticut [AMS Event# 2019 3151]

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Hello Roberto and List,

Thanks for posting those links.  I can only add one more, and you will have to 
go over to facebook to get more info on this event:

https://www.facebook.com/GalacticAnalyticsLLC/

This was a widely witnessed event with more than 9 videos and more still 
images, so more info "should be" forthcoming.
But it is hard to compete with all of the other sightings and recoveries:
Earlier on the same day as this event there was a recording of a fireball in 
Ontario, Canada.
And the recovery of a meteorite in India that same day has sucked-up a lot of 
the bandwidth.

I hope this U.S. event doesn't get overlooked, and that the time is taken to 
search the Doppler-radar data, and that something gets found.

Bob V.

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From: Roberto Vargas via Meteorite-list 
To: tracy latimer ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 

Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019, 5:33:03 AM PDT
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bolide over Big Island

Fireball over Connecticut, as well. Anyone got any additional info on this one?
https://www.ctpost.com/local/article/Fireball-streaks-across-CT-night-sky-14127787.php
https://fox61.com/2019/07/24/did-you-see-it-meteor-lights-up-skies-over-connecticut-massachusetts-rhode-island/
https://fireball.amsmeteors.org/members/imo_view/event/2019/3151

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[meteorite-list] This year - More Gold and even More Meteorites

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https://www.lot-art.com/auction-catalogue/2019-July-20-Nature-and-Science-Signature-Auction-Dallas/139588
 

For those of us who are not subscribed to facebook, you may have missed the 
notices being posted about the big auction in Dallas, including many 
meteorites: 

https://fineart.ha.com/c/auction-home.zx?saleNo=5438=Lot-Art5438 

  As posted on facebook --- 
Aerolite Meteorites, July 1 at 2:41 PM ·

 THE AUCTION IS OPEN 
The Heritage Auctions Nature & Science Signature Auction is now open for 
bidding, including collectibles from Neil Armstrong's personal estate, 
historic, never-before-seen space memorabilia, and one-of-a-kind rare space 
rocks from Mars and the moon! 
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Re: [meteorite-list] greenland meteor strike

[Robert Verish via Meteorite-list]

Hello Doug, 
Just to be clear, I was replying in regards to Paul Gessler's post and his 
title "greenland meteor strike", making it clear that the articles he 
referenced were about the Bering Sea meteor in December and not about the 
Greenland Meteor in July, (even though the Fox "News" used an old, meteor video 
involving the military base near Greenland in July).  
Contrary to the description accompanying that older FOX video, the US Air Force 
were the first to notify NASA about the December fireball over the Bering Sea.
I just figured that Paul's post (and title) and the reference to BOTH the BBC 
and Fox "News" articles (and their stark differences) were his Canadian-polite 
way of rubbing our collective US noses in our own "do-do" that is now US 
internet "journalism". 
With best regards, Bob V. P.S. - I must admit that I have no knowledge of Ron 
Baalke's status at JPL.
 

On Tuesday, March 19, 2019 1:00 PM, MexicoDoug via Meteorite-list 
 wrote:
 

 I saw the the same sensationalized story written up as a CNN report today:

"A meteor exploded in the Earth's atmosphere with 10 times the energy of the 
Hiroshima atomic bomb",

and CNN's article has buildings shaking and glass breaking on the autoplay 
video on top of the page (from Chelyabinsk).

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/18/us/meteor-blast-fireball-explosion-nasa-space-trnd/index.html

and they even screwed up the size of the explosion (since been revised in the 
story, ironic since the title was about the energy that then needed 
correction)! 

MSNBC did a slightly longer sensational version, which was interesting for a 
casual reader,

" Meteor blast over Russia's Bering Sea packed 10 times the power of Hiroshima 
bomb"

https://www.msn.com/en-sg/news/techandscience/meteor-blast-over-russia-s-bering-sea-packed-10-times-the-power-of-hiroshima-bomb/ar-BBUWcVc

To be fair, the BBC was a source of the report for all three of the cable 
"news" networks, where the unifying thread is only US cable news "journalism" 
which we all know is entertaining. 
Wonder what the discussion groups in say India, thing about our news.

Also, wonder how "Rocket Man" Ron Baalke a former active list member at JPL, 
who is missed, got suspended and if it was related to setting off the 
sensational narrative on the Greenland defense base last year? Bob?

Cheers,
Doug


-Original Message-
From: Robert Verish via Meteorite-list 
To: Paul Gessler ; Paul Gessler via Meteorite-list 
; meteorite-list 

Sent: Mon, Mar 18, 2019 2:33 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] greenland meteor strike

Regarding the Bering Sea meteor strike, the difference between the BBC 
reporting, versus the Fox"News" story, is the difference between a factual 
accounting, and another example of  anxiety-inducing "fake news". 

https://www.hou.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2019/Bob V. 
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
  On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 3:07 AM, Paul Gessler via 
Meteorite-list wrote:  Apparently a large 
event has been detected in Greenland approximating the 
energy of Chelyabinsk.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-47607696
https://www.foxnews.com/science/us-detects-meteor-explosion-10-times-the-energy-as-atomic-bomb-report

paul gessler 


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Re: [meteorite-list] greenland meteor strike

[Robert Verish via Meteorite-list]

Hello Doug, 

Just to be clear, I was replying in regards to Paul Gessler's post and his 
title "greenland meteor strike", making it clear that the articles he 
referenced were about the Bering Sea meteor in December and not about the 
Greenland Meteor in July, 
(even though the Fox "News" used an old, meteor video involving the military 
base near Greenland that fell in July).  

Contrary to the description accompanying that older FOX video, the US Air Force 
were the first to notify NASA about the 
December fireball over the Bering Sea.

I just figured that Paul's post (and title) and the reference to BOTH the BBC 
and Fox "News" articles (and their stark differences) were his Canadian-polite 
way of making fun of what is now our USA internet "journalism". 

With best regards, 
Bob V. 
P.S. - I must admit that I have no knowledge of Ron Baalke's status at JPL.

  
On Tuesday, March 19, 2019 1:00 PM, MexicoDoug via Meteorite-list 
 wrote:

I saw the the same sensationalized story written up as a CNN report today:

"A meteor exploded in the Earth's atmosphere with 10 times the energy of the 
Hiroshima atomic bomb",
and CNN's article has buildings shaking and glass breaking on the autoplay 
video on top of the page (from Chelyabinsk).
https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/18/us/meteor-blast-fireball-explosion-nasa-space-trnd/index.html
and they even screwed up the size of the explosion (since been revised in the 
story, ironic since the title was about the energy that then needed 
correction)! 

MSNBC did a slightly longer sensational version, which was interesting for a 
casual reader,
" Meteor blast over Russia's Bering Sea packed 10 times the power of Hiroshima 
bomb"
https://www.msn.com/en-sg/news/techandscience/meteor-blast-over-russia-s-bering-sea-packed-10-times-the-power-of-hiroshima-bomb/ar-BBUWcVc

To be fair, the BBC was a source of the report for all three of the cable 
"news" networks, where the unifying thread is only US cable news "journalism" 
which we all know is entertaining. 

Wonder what the discussion groups in say India, thing about our news.

Also, wonder how "Rocket Man" Ron Baalke a former active list member at JPL, 
who is missed, got suspended and if it was related to setting off the 
sensational narrative on the Greenland defense base last year? Bob?

Cheers,
Doug

-Original Message-

From: Robert Verish via Meteorite-list 

To: Paul Gessler ; Paul Gessler via Meteorite-list 
; meteorite-list 


Sent: Mon, Mar 18, 2019 2:33 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] greenland meteor strike

Regarding the Bering Sea meteor strike, the difference between the BBC 
reporting, versus the Fox"News" story, is the difference between a factual 
accounting, and another example of  anxiety-inducing "fake news". 

https://www.hou.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2019/
Bob V. 

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 

-  
   On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 3:07 AM, Paul Gessler via 
Meteorite-list wrote:  
 Apparently a large event has been detected in Greenland approximating the 
energy of Chelyabinsk.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-47607696
https://www.foxnews.com/science/us-detects-meteor-explosion-10-times-the-energy-as-atomic-bomb-report

paul gessler 

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Re: [meteorite-list] greenland meteor strike

[Robert Verish via Meteorite-list]

Regarding the Bering Sea meteor strike, the difference between the BBC 
reporting, versus the Fox"News" story, is the difference between a factual 
accounting, and another example of  anxiety-inducing "fake news". 

https://www.hou.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2019/Bob V. 
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 3:07 AM, Paul Gessler via 
Meteorite-list wrote:   Apparently a large 
event has been detected in Greenland approximating the 
energy of Chelyabinsk.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-47607696
https://www.foxnews.com/science/us-detects-meteor-explosion-10-times-the-energy-as-atomic-bomb-report

paul gessler 


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[meteorite-list] Meteorites on Heritage Auction

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Ending today is the Heritage Auction - Nature & Science, which includes a 
variety of meteorites.  
But, due to a clerical error, there were two items that were omitted:  

Lot #72220 -- La'gad Lunar Meteorite -- main-mass (171 grams)  

https://fineart.ha.com/itm/nature-and-science/lunar-meteorite-la-gad-lunar-feldspathic-breccia-the-moon-saguia-el-hamra-western-saharaandlt-/a/5387-72220.s?ic4=GalleryView-ShortDescription-071515
 

and 

Lot #72162 -- Eucrite Meteorite NWA 7496. HED achondrite (Eucrite, polymict). 
Rio de Oro, Western Sahara 

https://fineart.ha.com/itm/nature-and-science/eucrite-meteorite-nwa-7496-hed-achondrite-eucrite-polymict-rio-de-oro-western-sahara-22-56/a/5324-72162.s?ic4=GalleryView-ShortDescription-071515
  

I know the finders and owners of these items, and they would like for me to 
pass along this reminder. 
Even though these items were not included in todays auction, you can still make 
an offer on them.  So, 
if you fail to snag any of the meteorites that are up for auction today, you 
may have better luck "making an offer" 
on the above two items.  You may be pleasantly surprised by how deep of a 
discount you could get, especially 
compared to the asking price of today's auction items.  

Feel free to contact me Off-List, if you have any questions. 
Bob V. 
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This might be old news to those of you on facebook, but for those of us who are 
not, 
here is some news out of the MetSoc Meeting: 

Gold hunters in southern Russia might have been disappointed to learn that 
the speckled, yellow rock they uncovered was not a sizeable pebble of valuable 
metal. 
Instead, it was a rare piece of space-borne rubble containing a new mineral 
that 
had never before been seen on Earth.

The mineral came from the Uakit meteorite, named for the Russian location
where it was found. Scientists recently presented their discovery of the
meteorite's new mineral, named uakitite, at the Annual Meeting of the
Meteoritical Society in Moscow:  

https://www.hou.usra.edu/meetings/metsoc2018/pdf/6252.pdf 

http://www.foxnews.com/science/2018/08/06/mineral-never-seen-on-earth-found-inside-russian-meteorite.html
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Re: [meteorite-list] Recently found Algerian Iron

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Looks like April Fool's Day comes early in Morocco. Thanks for this update, 
Mike, and for the crucial info on this meteorite. Something told me that you 
would have the "low-down" on this specimen.  Even thought about contacting you, 
but I decided not to bother you.  
Glad no damage was done, and no one got hurt in this fiasco.  But it sure is a 
shame, that this great looking iron meteorite is now "lost to the ages".  
Wonder where it is? Too bad there isn't a discussion group that discusses 
meteorites such as this one. Too late to join Facebook. Bob V.All sales of 
mythological iron meteorites are hereby permanently suspended.  

On Wednesday, April 4, 2018 11:44 PM, Michael Farmer 
<m...@meteoriteguy.com> wrote:
 

 Where have you been Bob? This iron has been on the market for last year and a 
half. Waste of time. I’ve tried to buy it. Your “friends” surely don’t own it 
any more than anyone else sharing the photos. I’ve received them from people in 
Kenya, U.K., China, and about 1000 Moroccans.
It’s a total scam.
Good luck suckers. 

Michael Farmer

> On Apr 5, 2018, at 1:51 AM, Robert Verish via Meteorite-list 
> <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello All, 
> 
> Finally have some good news to report.  Some fellow meteorite-hunters have 
> contacted me to report that they have recovered a 255kg iron from the Sahara 
> Desert in Algeria. This was well before April Fools Day, and the photos of it 
> in-situ and "oiled-up" are very convincing.  I immediately put them in 
> contact with an officially-approved institution here in USA for 
> classification.  Apparently, they declined to cut this wonderful-looking and 
> huge mass of iron (and no smaller masses have been found), until after they 
> have a confirmed buyer. I probably should say "buyers", because I feel it 
> will take a "consortium" of buyers to meet their asking price of 
> 
> $2/gram. 
> 
> The finders have already received a number of offers, but nearly all were 
> bogus.  That's why they came to me to help them with filtering-out the 
> scammers.  So, when I say that I will only forward "serious offers", I'm 
> serious.  And, this is the limit of my involvement with this find.  That, and 
> helping to get this iron classified and made "official". 
> 
> You can see some of those photos here:  
> http://meteorite-recovery.tripod.com/2018/apr18.htm
> 
> If seriously interested, please contact me off-List.  
> Thank you for your time, and I hope you enjoy the photos, 
> Bob V.  
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[meteorite-list] Recently found Algerian Iron

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Hello All, 

Finally have some good news to report.  Some fellow meteorite-hunters have 
contacted me to report that they have recovered a 255kg iron from the Sahara 
Desert in Algeria. This was well before April Fools Day, and the photos of it 
in-situ and "oiled-up" are very convincing.  I immediately put them in contact 
with an officially-approved institution here in USA for classification.  
Apparently, they declined to cut this wonderful-looking and huge mass of iron 
(and no smaller masses have been found), until after they have a confirmed 
buyer. I probably should say "buyers", because I feel it will take a 
"consortium" of buyers to meet their asking price of 

$2/gram. 

The finders have already received a number of offers, but nearly all were 
bogus.  That's why they came to me to help them with filtering-out the 
scammers.  So, when I say that I will only forward "serious offers", I'm 
serious.  And, this is the limit of my involvement with this find.  That, and 
helping to get this iron classified and made "official". 

You can see some of those photos here:  
http://meteorite-recovery.tripod.com/2018/apr18.htm 

If seriously interested, please contact me off-List.  
Thank you for your time, and I hope you enjoy the photos, 
Bob V.  
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lots of Gold and Meteorites on Heritage Auctions

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 Thank you, Peter, for posting again (for a 2nd time) the link to the MBD entry 
for the La'gad meteorite.  It was a simple, but polite, way to point out that 
all of the questions that have been asked about this meteorite have their 
answers in that entry. 
It shouldn't be necessary, but now that the dust-up has settled, I feel 
compelled to clear away any lingering misconceptions: there is no question, 
this is the La'gad meteorite there is no question who the classifier is, nor 
what is the classification there is no question who found this meteorite, or 
where it was found there is no question who owns this meteorite there is no 
question at all about the provenance of this meteorite there is no question 
that this is the main-mass of the La'gad meteorite. 
The stone in the auction weighs 171grams and has had a sample cut from it, 
other wise it would weigh 186.24grams. This matches the MBD entry. Having the 
stone called-out in the MBD and having it be the main-mass, and having the 
type-specimen be from that mass, is a premium for collectors. Having the coords 
recorded in the MBD and having a name (like La'gad) and not a number is a 
premium for collectors, as well. 
Taking everything into consideration, this Lunar would be a positive addition 
to any collection.  Bob V. 
On ‎Thursday‎, ‎November‎ ‎02‎, ‎2017‎ ‎06‎:‎18‎:‎45‎ ‎PM, Peter Marmet via 
Meteorite-list  wrote:  
 
 

Adam Hupe wrote via Meteorite-list :
La'gad doesn't show up in the Meteoritical Bulletin. What institution or 
scientist examined this exact specimen or is it unofficial or self-paired?

https://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?code=63189
Cheers,Peter
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lots of Gold and Meteorites on Heritage Auctions

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I meant to include the following information in my last message:  

The other Lunar meteorite from Western Sahara in this auction is NWA 10986 
(Lunar, highlands feldspathic impact-melt breccia). 
And if you have any questions about this Lunar, the answers can be found here 
in the Met Bull Database: 

https://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?code=64445 

Additional information is also on Randy Korotev's website (with images from 
Sarah Roberts) here: 

http://meteorites.wustl.edu/lunar/stones/nwa10986.htm 

Sarah Roberts and her colleagues have found this Lunar meteorite so interesting 
that they have published two papers: 
https://www.hou.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2017/pdf/2220.pdf 
and 
https://www.hou.usra.edu/meetings/metsoc2017/pdf/6110.pdf 

Having in a collection a Lunar meteorite that has 2 papers published about it, 
is considered to be a premium by collectors. 

Bob V. 
Any questions? 
https://tinyurl.com/Any-ques


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Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote: 

Thank you, Peter, for posting again (for a 2nd time) the link to the MBD entry 
for the La'gad meteorite.  
It was a simple, but polite, way to point out that all of the questions that 
have been asked about this meteorite have their answers in that entry. 

It shouldn't be necessary, but now that the dust-up has settled, I feel 
compelled to clear away any lingering misconceptions: 
there is no question, this is the La'gad meteorite 
there is no question who the classifier is, nor what is the classification 
there is no question who found this meteorite, or where it was found 
there is no question who owns this meteorite 
there is no question at all about the provenance of this meteorite 
there is no question that this is the main-mass of the La'gad meteorite. 

The stone in the auction weighs 171grams and has had a sample cut from it, 
other wise it would weigh 186.24grams. This matches the MBD entry. 
Having the stone called-out in the MBD and having it be the main-mass, and 
having the type-specimen be from that mass, is a premium for collectors. 
Having the coords recorded in the MBD and having a name (like La'gad) and not a 
number is a premium for collectors, as well. 

Taking everything into consideration, this Lunar would be a positive addition 
to any collection.  
Bob V. 

--
 
On ‎Thursday‎, ‎November‎ ‎02‎, ‎2017‎ ‎06‎:‎18‎:‎45‎ ‎PM, Peter Marmet via 
Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote: 
    
Adam Hupe wrote via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>:
> La'gad doesn't show up in the Meteoritical Bulletin. What institution or 
> scientist examined this exact specimen or is it unofficial or self-paired?

https://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?code=63189

Cheers,
Peter

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Re: [meteorite-list] Lots of Gold and Meteorites on Heritage Auctions

[Robert Verish via Meteorite-list]

Thank you, Peter, for posting again (for a 2nd time) the link to the MBD entry 
for the La'gad meteorite.  
It was a simple, but polite, way to point out that all of the questions that 
have been asked about this meteorite have their answers in that entry. 

It shouldn't be necessary, but now that the dust-up has settled, I feel 
compelled to clear away any lingering misconceptions: 
there is no question, this is the La'gad meteorite 
there is no question who the classifier is, nor what is the classification 
there is no question who found this meteorite, or where it was found 
there is no question who owns this meteorite 
there is no question at all about the provenance of this meteorite 
there is no question that this is the main-mass of the La'gad meteorite. 

The stone in the auction weighs 171grams and has had a sample cut from it, 
other wise it would weigh 186.24grams. This matches the MBD entry. 
Having the stone called-out in the MBD and having it be the main-mass, and 
having the type-specimen be from that mass, is a premium for collectors. 
Having the coords recorded in the MBD and having a name (like La'gad) and not a 
number is a premium for collectors, as well. 

Taking everything into consideration, this Lunar would be a positive addition 
to any collection.  
Bob V. 

--
 
On ‎Thursday‎, ‎November‎ ‎02‎, ‎2017‎ ‎06‎:‎18‎:‎45‎ ‎PM, Peter Marmet via 
Meteorite-list  wrote: 
    
Adam Hupe wrote via Meteorite-list :
> La'gad doesn't show up in the Meteoritical Bulletin. What institution or 
> scientist examined this exact specimen or is it unofficial or self-paired?

https://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?code=63189

Cheers,
Peter

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Re: [meteorite-list] Lots of Gold and Meteorites on Heritage Auctions

[Robert Verish via Meteorite-list]

Just the sound of crickets, and of the flies buzzing over the bait 

https://tinyurl.com/Any-ques  ... tions?

David S. Pumpkins 




On ‎Thursday‎, ‎November‎ ‎02‎, ‎2017‎ ‎03‎:‎34‎:‎49‎ ‎PM, Adam Hupe via 
Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote: 






La'gad doesn't show up in the Meteoritical Bulletin. What institution or 
scientist examined this exact specimen or is it unofficial or self-paired?

Adam



On 11/2/2017 3:07 PM, Robert Verish via Meteorite-list wrote:
> 
> 
> I had the honor and the pleasure (while they were temporarily in my 
> possession) of personally examining up-close some of the meteorites in this 
> auction that are from Western Sahara.  I am no longer in possession of any of 
> the meteorites in this auction.  All of these specimens from Western Sahara 
> appear in the Meteoritical Bulletin where all of the coordinates, masses (and 
> the number of pieces) and the owners are listed.  All of the specimens from 
> Western Sahara in this auction can be considered the official main masses.
> 
> For clarity, where I may have relevant experience or have information that is 
> additional to what appears in the MBD or the auction description, I may feel 
> compelled to share those facts (some of you may remember, this List was 
> originally an educational, information-sharing forum).  For instance:
> I feel compelled to clarify the description for the La'gad specimen in this 
> auction:
> 
> https://preview.tinyurl.com/La-gad
> 
> Where the description states, "this specimen exhibits an irregular exterior 
> with no fusion crust", I would disagree and instead add that the images 
> depict a relict-fusion-crust where the surface is smoothly curving, it 
> represents the original ablated exterior of the La'gad meteorite.  The only 
> evidence remaining that this surface was once covered in glassy fusion-crust 
> is the iron-stained palagonite clay, the end-product of devitrified glass.  
> This is not a carbonate, and it is distinct from the iron-stained caliche 
> that is typically found in the crevices of most of the Lunar specimens from 
> this locality.
> The surface that was fusion-crusted may be more apparent in this Randy 
> Korotev image:
> 
> http://meteorites.wustl.edu/lunar/stones/nwa8455_files/image030.jpg
> 
> So, to all of you who have expressed an interest in Western Sahara 
> meteorites, thank you for giving me an opportunity to write on this subject.
> And, at the risk of sounding like "David S. Pumpkins",  "Any questions?"
> http://knowyourmeme.com/news/nbc-announces-animated-david-s-pumpkins-halloween-special
> Bob V.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On ‎Wednesday‎, ‎November‎ ‎01‎, ‎2017‎ ‎05‎:‎23‎:‎41‎ ‎PM, Luther Jackson 
> via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> What’s your involvement in this auction Bob, just to be clear?
> 
> Luther
> UK
> 
> 
>> On 11/1/17, Robert Verish via Meteorite-list
>> <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>>> There is a Eucrite in this auction that may look familiar, and I don't mean
>>> because it looks like Bierschinken.  It is NWA 7496 --
>>> and here is where you have seen it before:
>>>
>>> http://meteorites.wustl.edu/mugshots/nwa_7496_polymict_eucrite.htm
>>> All photos by Randy L. Korotev
>>>
>>> And it made an appearance in the textbook titled, "Asteroids":
>>> http://bit.ly/2hvLJuD   -- as well as, here:  http://bit.ly/2ioeRn5
>>>
>>> And here, as well:  http://meteorites.superforum.fr/t6532p25-bonjour-a-tous
>>>
>>> Although this "pin-up girl" of a Eucrite is a numbered NWA, it has published
>>> GPS coordinates that show it was found in the country of Western Sahara.
>>>
>>> Enjoy,
>>> Bob V.
>>>
>>> ---
>>> On ‎Tuesday‎, ‎October‎ ‎24‎, ‎2017‎ ‎06‎:‎49‎:‎48‎ ‎PM, Robert Verish
>>> <bolidecha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I just received my copies of the Heritage Nature & Science Auction
>>> catalog.  The photography is stunning.  There are so many items and the
>>> images are so large, they had to make two separate catalogs:  one catalog
>>> for all of the gold nuggets, gemstones, and fine minerals -- and in the
>>> other, are the many meteorites.
>>>
>>> Unlike most of the more recent auctions in which the Lunar and Martian
>>> specimens are slices, there are some sizeable whole stones of planetary
&g

Re: [meteorite-list] Lots of Gold and Meteorites on Heritage Auctions

[Robert Verish via Meteorite-list]

I had the honor and the pleasure (while they were temporarily in my possession) 
of personally examining up-close some of the meteorites in this auction that 
are from Western Sahara.  I am no longer in possession of any of the meteorites 
in this auction.  All of these specimens from Western Sahara appear in the 
Meteoritical Bulletin where all of the coordinates, masses (and the number of 
pieces) and the owners are listed.  All of the specimens from Western Sahara in 
this auction can be considered the official main masses.  

For clarity, where I may have relevant experience or have information that is 
additional to what appears in the MBD or the auction description, I may feel 
compelled to share those facts (some of you may remember, this List was 
originally an educational, information-sharing forum).  For instance: 
I feel compelled to clarify the description for the La'gad specimen in this 
auction: 

https://preview.tinyurl.com/La-gad 

Where the description states, "this specimen exhibits an irregular exterior 
with no fusion crust", I would disagree and instead add that the images depict 
a relict-fusion-crust where the surface is smoothly curving, it represents the 
original ablated exterior of the La'gad meteorite.  The only evidence remaining 
that this surface was once covered in glassy fusion-crust is the iron-stained 
palagonite clay, the end-product of devitrified glass.  This is not a 
carbonate, and it is distinct from the iron-stained caliche that is typically 
found in the crevices of most of the Lunar specimens from this locality. 
The surface that was fusion-crusted may be more apparent in this Randy Korotev 
image:

http://meteorites.wustl.edu/lunar/stones/nwa8455_files/image030.jpg 

So, to all of you who have expressed an interest in Western Sahara meteorites, 
thank you for giving me an opportunity to write on this subject. 
And, at the risk of sounding like "David S. Pumpkins",  "Any questions?"
http://knowyourmeme.com/news/nbc-announces-animated-david-s-pumpkins-halloween-special
 
Bob V. 




On ‎Wednesday‎, ‎November‎ ‎01‎, ‎2017‎ ‎05‎:‎23‎:‎41‎ ‎PM, Luther Jackson via 
Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote: 





What’s your involvement in this auction Bob, just to be clear?

Luther
UK


> On 11/1/17, Robert Verish via Meteorite-list
> <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>> There is a Eucrite in this auction that may look familiar, and I don't mean
>> because it looks like Bierschinken.  It is NWA 7496 --
>> and here is where you have seen it before:
>> 
>> http://meteorites.wustl.edu/mugshots/nwa_7496_polymict_eucrite.htm
>> All photos by Randy L. Korotev
>> 
>> And it made an appearance in the textbook titled, "Asteroids":
>> http://bit.ly/2hvLJuD   -- as well as, here:  http://bit.ly/2ioeRn5
>> 
>> And here, as well:  http://meteorites.superforum.fr/t6532p25-bonjour-a-tous
>> 
>> Although this "pin-up girl" of a Eucrite is a numbered NWA, it has published
>> GPS coordinates that show it was found in the country of Western Sahara.
>> 
>> Enjoy,
>> Bob V.
>> 
>> ---
>> On ‎Tuesday‎, ‎October‎ ‎24‎, ‎2017‎ ‎06‎:‎49‎:‎48‎ ‎PM, Robert Verish
>> <bolidecha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I just received my copies of the Heritage Nature & Science Auction
>> catalog.  The photography is stunning.  There are so many items and the
>> images are so large, they had to make two separate catalogs:  one catalog
>> for all of the gold nuggets, gemstones, and fine minerals -- and in the
>> other, are the many meteorites.
>> 
>> Unlike most of the more recent auctions in which the Lunar and Martian
>> specimens are slices, there are some sizeable whole stones of planetary
>> material here.
>> 
>> You may want to add this to your calendar:
>> 
>> 2017 November 4 Nature & Science Signature Auction - Dallas  #5324
>> https://fineart.ha.com/c/auction-home.zx?saleNo=5324
>> 
>> Although it pales in comparison to the hardcopy catalogue, there is an
>> online-version for your convenience at this link:
>> 
>> https://fineart.ha.com/c/ecatalog.zx?saleNo=5324=CatalogHome-AucType-PrintedCatalogViewer-071515
>> 
>> I found it to be an educational read.  I hope you find it to be enjoyable.
>> 
>> Bob V.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Lots of Gold and Meteorites on Heritage Auctions

[Robert Verish via Meteorite-list]

 There is a Eucrite in this auction that may look familiar, and I don't mean 
because it looks like Bierschinken.  It is NWA 7496 -- and here is where you 
have seen it before: 
http://meteorites.wustl.edu/mugshots/nwa_7496_polymict_eucrite.htm All photos 
by Randy L. Korotev 
And it made an appearance in the textbook titled, "Asteroids":  
http://bit.ly/2hvLJuD   -- as well as, here:  http://bit.ly/2ioeRn5 
And here, as well:  http://meteorites.superforum.fr/t6532p25-bonjour-a-tous 
Although this "pin-up girl" of a Eucrite is a numbered NWA, it has published 
GPS coordinates that show it was found in the country of Western Sahara.  
Enjoy,Bob V.



--- 
On ‎Tuesday‎, ‎October‎ ‎24‎, ‎2017‎ ‎06‎:‎49‎:‎48‎ ‎PM, Robert Verish 
<bolidecha...@yahoo.com> wrote:  
 
 I just received my copies of the Heritage Nature & Science Auction catalog.  
The photography is stunning.  There are so many items and the images are so 
large, they had to make two separate catalogs:  one catalog for all of the gold 
nuggets, gemstones, and fine minerals -- and in the other, are the many 
meteorites.   

Unlike most of the more recent auctions in which the Lunar and Martian 
specimens are slices, there are some sizeable whole stones of planetary 
material here. 

You may want to add this to your calendar: 

2017 November 4 Nature & Science Signature Auction - Dallas  #5324 
https://fineart.ha.com/c/auction-home.zx?saleNo=5324 

Although it pales in comparison to the hardcopy catalogue, there is an 
online-version for your convenience at this link: 

https://fineart.ha.com/c/ecatalog.zx?saleNo=5324=CatalogHome-AucType-PrintedCatalogViewer-071515
 

I found it to be an educational read.  I hope you find it to be enjoyable. 

Bob V. 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lots of Gold and Meteorites on Heritage Auctions

[Robert Verish via Meteorite-list]

There is a Eucrite in this auction that may look familiar, and I don't mean 
because it looks like Bierschinken.  It is NWA 7496 -- 
and here is where you have seen it before: 

http://meteorites.wustl.edu/mugshots/nwa_7496_polymict_eucrite.htm 
All photos by Randy L. Korotev 

And it made an appearance in the textbook titled, "Asteroids":  
http://bit.ly/2hvLJuD   -- as well as, here:  http://bit.ly/2ioeRn5 

And here, as well:  http://meteorites.superforum.fr/t6532p25-bonjour-a-tous 

Although this "pin-up girl" of a Eucrite is a numbered NWA, it has published 
GPS coordinates that show it was found in the country of Western Sahara.  

Enjoy,
Bob V.

--- 
On ‎Tuesday‎, ‎October‎ ‎24‎, ‎2017‎ ‎06‎:‎49‎:‎48‎ ‎PM, Robert Verish 
<bolidecha...@yahoo.com> wrote: 


I just received my copies of the Heritage Nature & Science Auction catalog.  
The photography is stunning.  There are so many items and the images are so 
large, they had to make two separate catalogs:  one catalog for all of the gold 
nuggets, gemstones, and fine minerals -- and in the other, are the many 
meteorites.   

Unlike most of the more recent auctions in which the Lunar and Martian 
specimens are slices, there are some sizeable whole stones of planetary 
material here. 

You may want to add this to your calendar: 

2017 November 4 Nature & Science Signature Auction - Dallas  #5324 
https://fineart.ha.com/c/auction-home.zx?saleNo=5324 

Although it pales in comparison to the hardcopy catalogue, there is an 
online-version for your convenience at this link: 

https://fineart.ha.com/c/ecatalog.zx?saleNo=5324=CatalogHome-AucType-PrintedCatalogViewer-071515
 

I found it to be an educational read.  I hope you find it to be enjoyable. 

Bob V. 
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Re: [meteorite-list] First recorded visit to this solar system by an interstellar object

[Robert Verish via Meteorite-list]

Rob has made a good point about this object not being a comet, and for that 
matter, the presumption that this thing is natural and unguided.  
Personally, I am very disappointed that this object wasn't a comet and that it 
didn't leave a trail of dust and gases, that one day we could have captured in 
a Stardust-like "sample return".  But unfortunately, the darn thing got away 
quick and clean.  And equally unfortunate, that this has opened the flood-gate 
for all sorts of "alien-craft" theories from a variety of fringe cults. I find 
it astronomically coincidental that this "fly-by" occurred so close to the 20th 
anniversary of the Heaven's Gate mass suicide, a concurrence which was not 
missed by our local news outlets, since this event happened here in Rancho 
Bernardo. 

NASA has admitted to having problems identifying what the object was and where 
it originated, which only sparks the imagination as to possible scenarios. 
What if this is just the first of many objects coming our way, as if we are 
entering an intersteller asteroid shower?  
What if this object was actually an asteroid populated with alien colonists in 
suspended animation on their way to colonize Pegasus 5, using our Sun as a 
gravity assist?  How do we know that intersteller travel doesn't require a 
number of "jumps" interspersed with gravity assists and redirections? 
Or worse, like a page out of a science fiction novel,  what if this the first 
of many asteroid/crafts on their way to other points in our galaxy?  What if 
our inner solar system is in the middle of some proposed intersteller freeway?  
Maybe our home planet is part of a low-rent district, which will eventually be 
under an overpass, which is part of an exit ramp for I5 (Intersteller Freeway 
ramp for Pegasus 5)! 
Only time will tell,  Bob V. 

“There’s no point in acting surprised about it. All the planning charts and 
demolition orders have been on display at your local planning department in 
Alpha Centauri for 50 of your Earth years, so you’ve had plenty of time to 
lodge any formal complaint and it’s far too late to start making a fuss about 
it now. … What do you mean you’ve never been to Alpha Centauri? Oh, for 
heaven’s sake, mankind, it’s only four light years away, you know. 
I’m sorry, but if you can’t be bothered to take an interest in local affairs, 
that’s your own lookout. Energize the demolition beams.” 
― Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy


 On ‎Sunday‎, ‎October‎ ‎29‎, ‎2017‎ ‎12‎:‎29‎:‎20‎ ‎PM, Matson, Rob D. via 
Meteorite-list  wrote: 

Hi Mike,

It is indeed an intriguing interloper, with much speculation on MPML as to its
possible origin and the dynamics of its ejection from its original star system.
Its spectral characteristics (admittedly limited spectral resolution so far) 
seem
more consistent with an asteroid than a comet, though there is no real
dividing line between an asteroid and an inactive comet -- more a continuum
between the two. Suffice to say the object is "red" with no strong spectral
peaks or troughs in the visible band.

One small correction to your post below -- the object certainly originated
in our galaxy, or one of the dwarf galaxies that is gravitationally bound to it
(e.g. the Canis Major Dwarf Galaxy). There has been insufficient time for the
body to travel intergalactic distances, even from as close as Andromeda.
Unfortunately, we will never know the identity of the star system from which
it originated.  --Rob

From: Meteorite-list [meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] on behalf of 
Galactic Stone & Ironworks via Meteorite-list 
[meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 5:30 AM
To: Meteorite List
Subject: EXTERNAL: [meteorite-list] First recorded visit to this solar system 
by a comet-like interstellar object

First recorded visit in this solar system by a visiting interstellar
object of unknown origin and composition. This comet-like object is
moving at a very high rate of speed (44 km/sec) and is entering our
cosmic neighborhood from an unusual angle that is nearly perpendicular
to the ecliptic.

This object does not come from our Asteroid Belt, Kuiper Belt, or Oort
Cloud. It is an interloper from the vast empty space between the
galaxies and stars. This comet-like object has streaked through our
solar system like a rifle shot and is now continuing on it's journey
through deep space in the direction of the Pegasus constellation.

Unlike most comets or asteroids, we Earthlings will never see this
strange visitor again, as it's speed and trajectory will carry it out
and away from our solar system into the distant reaches of
interstellar space.

Link - 
http://earthsky.org/space/a2017u1-comet-asteroid-interstellar-beyond-solar-system

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Re: [meteorite-list] Possible Newfoundland Meteorite

[Robert Verish via Meteorite-list]

Dean, 
You neglected to mention the more "entertaining" article: 

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/meteorite-hunters-southside-hills-1.4370650
 

Priceless, 
Bob V.





On ‎Wednesday‎, ‎October‎ ‎25‎, ‎2017‎ ‎12‎:‎08‎:‎53‎ ‎PM, dean bessey via 
Meteorite-list  wrote: 





http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/meteorite-meteor-space-unidentified-object-st-johns-south-side-hills-1.4368296
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[meteorite-list] Fw: Lots of Gold and Meteorites on Heritage Auctions

[Robert Verish via Meteorite-list]

I just received my copies of the Heritage Nature & Science Auction catalog.  
The photography is stunning.  There are so many items and the images are so 
large, they had to make two separate catalogs:  one catalog for all of the gold 
nuggets, gemstones, and fine minerals -- and in the other, are the many 
meteorites.   

Unlike most of the more recent auctions in which the Lunar and Martian 
specimens are slices, there are some sizeable whole stones of planetary 
material here. 

You may want to add this to your calendar: 

2017 November 4 Nature & Science Signature Auction - Dallas  #5324 
https://fineart.ha.com/c/auction-home.zx?saleNo=5324 

Although it pales in comparison to the hardcopy catalogue, there is an 
online-version for your convenience at this link: 

https://fineart.ha.com/c/ecatalog.zx?saleNo=5324=CatalogHome-AucType-PrintedCatalogViewer-071515
 

I found it to be an educational read.  I hope you find it to be enjoyable. 

Bob V. 

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Re: [meteorite-list] AD: New shipment of Lunars from Western Sahara

[Robert Verish via Meteorite-list]

Hello all Lunar collectors and dealers, 

Well, it's another month and the finders of these "new Lunar" stones are still 
sending them to the US market, even though their prices are at historic lows.  
This is clearly a Lunar "buyer's market", giving collectors the 
once-in-a-lifetime opportunity that they may never see again.  
Apparently, these finders are going to the published coordinates for known and 
classified Lunar meteorites and are cleaning-up the locality of "missed" 
stones, so technically these are not really "new Lunar meteorites", and 
therefore, are limited in quantity.  Don't wait, because diminishing returns 
will result in a reversal of the current price trend. 
Pricing is structured according to specimen size and is as follows:

Up to 50 grams - $55
51 to 100 grams - $50 per gram
101 to 200 grams - $45 per gram 
These are special prices for Met-Listees, so don't wait for these specimens to 
appear on eBay.  

Another pre-eBay benefit - I am offering to cut (or window) your purchased 
stones for free.  So, for consortiums, or even for a couple collectors that 
team-up, but have no means to "split-up" their stone, I will do that for them. 

Currently, I have sub-gram pieces, but the following specimens are in transit, 
so you have some time to "team-up", but you should pick and place "on Hold" 
your choices the sooner the better:  (in grams)
23.23
21.9 
17.4 
15.8 
15.7 
  6.5 
  6.4 
  5.5 
  5.1
25.0 (endcut)
74.2 (NWA 10986 main-mass) 
185g main-mass currently on eBay 

I have group photos of the specimens on their way to me, but the images of 
individual stones are currently low-quality.  Here is a link where I will place 
images of these specimens:  
http://s1339.photobucket.com/user/meteorite-finder/library/

Placing stones "On-Hold" will be on a first-come, first-served basis.  Several 
more smaller stones will be in transit to me after this batch, but this appears 
to be the beginning of "diminishing returns" from the strewn-field. Shipping 
and insurance for your purchased specimens is separate and specific to each 
purchase.  Thanks for your interest in Western Sahara Lunar meteorites, 
Bob Verish 
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[meteorite-list] AD: New shipment of Lunars from Western Sahara

[Robert Verish via Meteorite-list]

Hello all Lunar collectors and dealers, 

Well, it's another month and the finders of these "new Lunar" stones are still 
sending them to the US market, even though their prices are at historic lows.  
This is clearly a Lunar "buyer's market", giving collectors the 
once-in-a-lifetime opportunity that they may never see again. 

Apparently, these finders are going to the published coordinates for known and 
classified Lunar meteorites and are cleaning-up the locality of "missed" 
stones, so technically these are not really "new Lunar meteorites", and 
therefore, are limited in quantity.  Don't wait, because diminishing returns 
will result in a reversal of the current price trend. 

Pricing is structured according to specimen size and is as follows:

Up to 50 grams - $55
51 to 100 grams - $50 per gram
101 to 200 grams - $45 per gram 
These are special prices for Met-Listees, so don't wait for these specimens to 
appear on eBay. 

Another pre-eBay benefit - I am offering to cut (or window) your purchased 
stones for free.  So, for consortiums, or even for a couple collectors that 
team-up, but have no means to "split-up" their stone, 
I will do that for them. 

Currently, I have sub-gram pieces, but the following specimens are in transit, 
so you have some time to "team-up", but you should pick and place "on Hold" 
your choices the sooner the better: 
(in grams)
23.23
21.9 
17.4 
15.8 
15.7 
6.5 
6.4 
5.5 
25.0 (endcut)
74.2 (NWA 10986 main-mass) 
185g main-mass currently on eBay 

I have group photos of the specimens on their way to me, but the images of 
individual stones are currently low-quality.  Here is a link where I will place 
images of these specimens: 
http://s1339.photobucket.com/user/meteorite-finder/library/

Placing stones "On-Hold" will be on a first-come, first-served basis.  Several 
more smaller stones will be in transit to me after this batch, but this appears 
to be the beginning of "diminishing returns" from the strewn-field. Shipping 
and insurance for your purchased specimens is separate and specific to each 
purchase. 
Thanks for your interest in Western Sahara Lunar meteorites, 
Bob Verish
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Re: [meteorite-list] Sad News :-(

[Robert Verish via Meteorite-list]

Hello Dana, I just gave the sad news to Moni.  We are very saddened, but also 
very heartened that we got to know this very gentleperson.  I introduced Moni 
to Larry a decade ago at Majuba Hill when she joined Larry and me on a hunt at 
the Placers. John Wolfe introduced me to Larry back in the very early days of 
Franconia. The three of us have hunted together at many localities in AZ CA and 
NV.  Being a part of that generation, this loss hits close to home and is very 
personal to me.The Tucson Show will always be missing a very special part now 
that Larry's smiling face is no longer there. 
With condolences to his family, Bob and Moni 

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 9:31 AM, KD Meteorites via 
Meteorite-list wrote:   I'm sad to tell 
everyone that we lost one of the best men I ever met; Larry Sloan. He was a 
very well respected and loved man, always ready with a smile and some of his 
natural remedies! He loved everything meteorite and will be missed greatly at 
the shows.

After I lost my dad in 2006 Larry stepped up and became my second Dad; and he 
was always there with a smile and some advice.

The shows will be a little sadder without his smiling face but I'm sure he will 
do his best to send down some Meteorites from heaven just to keep us on our 
toes! :-)

Please send your thoughts and prayers to his family during this difficult time.

Thank you
Dana

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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Crashes Through Thailand House Roof

[Robert Verish via Meteorite-list]

People that have unknowingly picked up a piece of dry ice with their bare hands 
have sworn that it is burnt their fingers. Bob

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 1:22 PM, Tommy via 
Meteorite-list wrote:     Hi Peter!
    I get the friction part but THAT much friction?

Tom


On 06/28/2016 04:09 PM, Peter Scherff wrote:
> Hi Tom,
>
> I believe that part i.e. "I picked up the largest chunk and let go quickly
> as it was very hot,". Have you ever held a nail that you just pulled out of
> a board? The nail is very warm. The friction of punching a hole through a
> home, car or the ground can heat up a meteorite. Now if they start talking
> about the fires it started I am with you.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Peter
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Meteorite-list [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On
> Behalf Of Tommy via Meteorite-list
> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 4:03 PM
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Crashes Through Thailand House Roof
>
> "I picked up the largest chunk and let go quickly as it was very hot,"
> 65-year-old home-owner Bualom Chalomprai said. "
>
>
> Her mind must have been playing tricks on her.
>
> Regards!
>
> Tom
>
>
> On 06/28/2016 03:02 PM, Ron Baalke via Meteorite-list wrote:
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Re: [meteorite-list] Natiional Forest Rules

[Robert Verish via Meteorite-list]

Adam is right about National Forest rules not permitting meteorite collecting.  
And, 
I'm not surprised that many of their forest service rangers are unaware of that 
fact and, 
more importantly, among the rangers that I have spoken with, most don't really 
know 
why it isn't permitted.  It's weird, when I tell them the reason "why", they 
actually argue 
with me saying that I "must be wrong, because that reason is insane."
Well, enough about that insanity. 

I just wanted to point that while Adam is right, that most dry-lakes are on 
public lands, 
not all are.  There are many on other kinds of properties.  And those on 
military bases 
are obviously out of the jurisdiction of the BLM.  Rest assured that if they 
can't make 
any money off of the meteorite find, they could care less.  So, if you have the 
rare opportunity 
to acquire a meteorite from a dry-lake located on a military base, you can 
forget about 
all this generalization about dry-lakes.  None of the rules relating to public 
lands and the 
BLM applies to these other dry-lakes. 

Bob V. 


On Fri, 6/3/16, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list 
 wrote:

 Subject: [meteorite-list] Natiional Forest Rules
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Friday, June 3, 2016, 12:47 PM
 
I had a List member comment that a forest service ranger told him it was ok 
to collect meteorites.  I double-checked to see if the rules have changed 
and the answer seems to still be, NO.  This also means that most meteorites 
found of dry lake beds are off-limits to be sold since most are on federal 
land which now has very limited use by the public due to so many new 
regulations.



 
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Re: [meteorite-list] 2nd recovered U.S. fall of 2016 - more details

[Robert Verish via Meteorite-list]

Hello Rob, 

You could not have explained anymore succinctly everyone's contribution to this 
most successful recovery effort, 
without the risk of leaving out someone, or omitting a significant plot-turn to 
this remarkable story. 

I wonder, when this story hits the newswires, if the general public will 
realize how much of a "volunteer" effort 
was contributed by everyone that was involved in this recovery, or will they 
erroneously assume that the government 
pays all of these people to get this job done?  Of course, a tip-of-the-hat to 
the NOAA NEXRAD, but 
other than that, the general public may be surprised to learn that none of 
their tax-dollars were spent 
on the recovery of this new American meteorite. 

Also, a tip-of-the-hat to all of the property-owners that gave permission to 
allow their land to be 
searched by the all-volunteer recovery team, otherwise very little chance of 
finding the meteorite. 

Looking forward to watching this story continue to unfold.
Again thanks to all involved,
Bob V. 
  

On Thu, 2/25/16, Matson, Rob D. via Meteorite-list 
 wrote:

 Subject: [meteorite-list] 2nd recovered U.S. fall of 2016 - more details
 To: "meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com" 
 Date: Thursday, February 25, 2016, 10:22 AM
 
 Hi All,

Some further information about the circumstances leading to the successful
meteorite recovery east of Lubbock, TX. First off, Mike Hankey deserves special
notice since often the first indication we have of a new potential fall is the
AMS website that he maintains. Marc Fries was the first to spot the nice
Lubbock radar returns for this fall -- less than 18 hours after the event! I
compiled those, and additional returns I found in the Amarillo radar, and
then went on a search for seismic signatures or videos that could be used
to pin down the time of the event. One Youtube video surfaced right away,
taken from a dashcam on highway 183 near Euless, Texas:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMkeVGSlV7o

Pat Branch did some quick work measuring terminus angles, concluding that
the vector lined up perfectly with the radar returns east of Lubbock. I soon
located two more videos, one from some still undetermined location near
Augusta, Kansas (east of Wichita) and some 580 km (!) from the fall:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPDoZYfH4ko

and another from a dashcam near Edmond, OK, north of Oklahoma City:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPb7jrtX4p0

Pat Branch was successful in contacting the driver of this car who provided
his exact location. There are numerous landmarks in this video that allowed
me to determine reasonably accurate starting and ending directions. 
Triangulating
this video with the one from Euless led to a fairly steep fireball entry angle 
and
a nearly due west trajectory.

However, upper atmospheric winds were relatively strong (over 100 mph to
the southeast,) and not surprisingly this is the trend we see in the radar 
returns.
All that remained was to get an accurate time for the event so that meteorite
masses could be estimated (based on the time delay between the fall and
when various radar volumes were scanned). Unfortunately, none of the
three videos above has a sufficiently accurate timetag.

But here again Pat came to the rescue. Rob Ferguson (the provider of the
Edmond, OK dashcam) emailed Pat telling him that the fireball was also
captured by the Oklahoma Dept. of Emergency Management's tower cam,
and that a friend of his (Putnam Reiter) works there and pulled the video for
him. This has a great, unobstructed view of the event, being up on a tower
some 200 feet! Most importantly, it has a very accurate timetag, being
regularly synced with a NTP server. So we now knew the beginning of the
event was at 3:44:08 UT (21:44:08 CST). I determined that the earliest radar
returns of the fall were from Amarillo NEXRAD at 3:45:49.7, just 99 seconds
after the beginning of dark flight (~21:44:11 UT). This was how we knew
meteorites were on the ground for sure, since dust or even small pebbles
can't fall that far in less than 2 minutes.

Anyway, this is getting a bit long and I want to get these details out
there sooner rather than later in order to credit some of the important
players that made this all happen. Hopefully it gives you a sense of the
amount of detective work goes into chasing down these falls, and how
much of a team effort it is.

Cheers!
Rob

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Re: [meteorite-list] Lake Eyre meteorite 'Crown property', researchers required to hand findings over

[Robert Verish via Meteorite-list]

Hey Galactic Stone, why don't you tell us how you REALLY feel?  ;-)
Did this line in that article hit you too close to home:

"Professor Bland said he suspects there are amateur astronomers who are 
frustrated by legislation requiring them to hand back their discoveries from 
outer space."

I find the phrase "hand back" interesting.  If you accept that this meteorite 
was "stolen from the Queen", then 
the only legal recourse for Professor Bland is for him to take that meteorite 
back out to the Queen's Outback and 
shove it back into that muddy hole from which it was purloined.  If you want it 
so bad, you know where it is?  

I think this would be a great opportunity for a group discussion comparing the 
Queen's "policies" relating to how 
meteorite finds are handled in Australia vs. Canada vs. England vs. U.S. public 
lands. 
Personally, I vote that the U.S. adopt the "policy" version that the Canadian's 
enforce.  It's proven that it works! 

Galactic Stone is right.  It's time to refute the insane rhetoric that a 
recently fallen meteorite is an "artifact".  Insanity! 
   


On Fri, 1/15/16, Galactic Stone & Ironworks via Meteorite-list 
 wrote:

 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lake Eyre meteorite 'Crown property', 
researchers required to hand findings over
 To: "Tommy" 
 Cc: "Meteorite List" 
 Date: Friday, January 15, 2016, 7:50 AM
 
 More hogwash.  The inbox is full of it this morning.
 
 "Scientific value" - "sitting on the mantlepiece" - "black market"
 
 This kind of piece belongs in the National Enquirer.
 
 Dr. Grguric should get together and drink kool-aid with Lindfors
 and
 the new World Record Martian Loon. 
 They all have the same level of intelligence apparently.
 
 
 
 On 1/15/16, Tommy via
 Meteorite-list
 
 wrote:
 > http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-01-15/lake-eyre-meteorite-'crown-property'/7091562
 >
 > Regards!
 >
 > Tom
 >
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[meteorite-list] Ad: End of Year Sale - Nevada Fall (L6)

[Robert Verish via Meteorite-list]

Yes, it's Nevada's first and only witnessed fall:  Battle Mountain (L6) 

Taking offers on a 25.7g complete slice with 2/3 of edge fusion-crusted. 

5cm X 4cm X 0.35cm  --  See links to images, below.

Year-end Sale ending at midnight tomorrow.  Yes, 12PM PST 31Dec2015  Happy 
New Year! 

Have you heard the phrase, "A bird in the hand is worth more than two in a 
bush"? 
Well, Creston (another L6-fall) is that zero-in-a-bush meteorite.  Doesn't look 
like anymore Creston 
will be coming onto the market any time soon, let alone come down in price!  
So, why wait?  
Make BaM your "bird-in-the-hand" meteorite.  Make an offer. 

http://meteorite-recovery.tripod.com/2012/BaM24card25g.jpg 
http://meteorite-recovery.tripod.com/2012/BaM24oppside25g.jpg 
http://meteorite-recovery.tripod.com/2012/BaM011355auto.jpg 
http://meteorite-recovery.tripod.com/2012/BaM012615lab1.jpg 
http://meteorite-recovery.tripod.com/2012/BaM012615lab2.jpg 
http://meteorite-recovery.tripod.com/2012/BaM24fuscrust25g.jpg 

Side-by-side comparison, there is no difference between BaM and Creston.  
Still time to make your "Best Deal" for 2015.  
Have a Great New Year - 2016,
Bob V. 


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Re: [meteorite-list] Introducing the Worlds Newest Meteorite fall -Creston

[Robert Verish via Meteorite-list]

Congrats to Robert Ward for his persistence and diligence in researching this 
fall.  
It was well-earned and deserving that he should make the first find.  

The only thing that I can add  to this thread is that (over on facebook) Marc 
Fries has given credit 
to Rob Matson for doing the lions-share of crunching-out the numbers regarding 
the astrometry for this fall. 
I'm not subscribed to facebook and can't supply a link, but there is an 
informative thread over there, 
if you can access it.  Hadn't seen Rob's name mentioned here, so felt compelled 
to mention his name, AND  
point-out the obvious, that Doppler-weather radar appears to be working again!  
 Hallelujah!!! 

Bob V. 


On Thu, 11/19/15, Sean T. Murray via Meteorite-list 
 wrote:

 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Introducing the Worlds Newest Meteorite fall 
-Creston
 To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Thursday, November 19, 2015, 10:59 AM
 
 Robert Ward is in the
 field in California, and asked me to pass this along 
 to the list!  He recovered the first stone
 from the fall, and is continuing 
 his
 expedition.
 
 Make sure to
 click the link below to see the story, along with photos
 from 
 Robert on his Website,
 robertwardmeteorites.com...
 
 --
 
 On October 23, 2015, at 0547 UTC, a large
 fireball lit up the rolling hills 
 of wine
 country east of Paso Robles.
 
 The bolide stunned onlookers with a multitude
 of colors as it broke up into 
 many pieces.
 The magnitude of the fall was so great that the spectacle
 was 
 even observed several states away.
 Dozens of witnesses close to the ground 
 path heard sonic booms shortly after the
 fireball terminated.
 
 By the
 next day, the American Meteor Society had received over 120
 reports. 
 At first I was confused by what I
 saw in the data in the various AMS 
 reports.
 As I sorted through a number of eye witness descriptions, it
 was 
 soon clear that there were two events
 near to one another, both in distance 
 and
 in time. I began working through the reports from the larger
 event 
 individually, narrowing down the area
 to San Luis Obispo County. And 
 focusing on
 eye witness reports in this area, I found one report in 
 particular that caught my attention. The eye
 witness reported what sounded 
 "like
 bombs falling," and that the meteor had passed directly
 overhead.
 
 I contacted Marc
 Fries with the location and suggested the fall was probably
 
 within a few miles of the eye witnesses
 location. Within minutes, Marc found 
 radar
 returns in the area that corresponded with the time of the
 event.
 
 On October 27th, my
 wife Anne Marie and I arrived in the area under the 
 returns Marc Fries had discovered. Within
 twenty minutes, we found a stone 
 that had
 hit a metal fence post and shattered, showering the road
 embankment 
 with fragments. We recovered
 395.7 grams of material from the site and 
 subsequently reassembled the majority of the
 stone.
 
 --
 
 More here, with pictures:
 http://robertwardmeteorites.com/creston-california/
 
 We'll be posting more
 pictures, information and details on the expedition as 
 the hunt progresses.
 
 Sean Murray 
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Very Bright Fireball Over Europe on Halloween Night

[Robert Verish via Meteorite-list]

Yes Doug, 
I agree with you. 
In fact, I witnessed the very scenario you described.  

It was a long duration (earth-grazing) fireball that I was lucky enough to 
catch early-on in its flight. 
While it was at high elevation the fireball was a bright-blue ball with a 
greenish coma. 
As it streaked down to the horizon, it changed to a greenish-yellow flame, and 
as it approached 
the horizon it became a much dimmer, reddish sparkler.  
The flight-path gave me the distinct impression that the fireball was 
travelling away from me, 
much more than it was travelling downward.  
This helped me rationalize that the fireball hadn't really "dimmed" in 
brightness at the horizon.  
I was sure that it was just as bright and bluish-green for any lucky observers 
down-range and 
who were directly beneath the fireball, at the same point in its flight-path 
where I perceived it 
as being "reddish".  
Just as you worded it, Doug, the color changed "the same way that the sun can 
appear 
red at sunset, viewed at a low angle through more atmosphere."  

So, were in agreement then, that 
color AND magnitude are in the eye [and view angle] of the beholder.
Bob V.

On Wed, 11/4/15, Doug Ross via Meteorite-list 

 To: "Meteorite List" 
 Cc: "Matson, Rob D." 
 Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2015, 7:25 PM
 
 Thanks for the very informative and interesting discussion. 
 Could the altitude, angle and distance from which a meteor is viewed 
 also affect perceived color? 
 Seems to me that the air between the fireball and the witness might 
 significantly filter the colors, in the same way that the sun can appear 
 red at sunset, viewed at a low angle through more atmosphere.
 
 Doug Ross
 
 
 > HI All,
 > 
 > Marco took the words out of my mouth. Getting tired of hearing that a green
 > meteor tells you anything about its composition. I know that it's natural
 > for people to think the most important thing they can report about a meteor
 > is its color, but I wish various broadcast media would do the public a
 > service and disabuse them of this notion. It would be far better if witnesses
 > could be trained to get in the habit of counting the duration accurately,
 > and noting the exact time of the meteor to the nearest minute. Seeing as
 > how almost everyone has a cell phone these days, and all cell phones have
 > accurate clocks, there really is no excuse to get the time wrong. Yet even 
 > a casual browse of the AMS fireball site reveals that people clearly don't
 > think getting the time right is important. And even more obvious is that
 > most people have no business reporting anything about fireball starting
 > and ending bearings and elevation angles.  --Rob
 > 
 > -Original Message-
 > From: Meteorite-list [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com]
 > On Behalf Of Marco Langbroek via Meteorite-list
 > Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 12:06 AM
 > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; baa...@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov
 > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Very Bright Fireball Over Europe on Halloween 
 > Night
 > 
 >> A lot of folks say it looked green to them, which means it may have been
 >> metallic;
 > 
 > 
 > It is a perpetuated misunderstanding that meteor colours are primarily due 
 > to 
 > their composition. It's a science myth inspired by High School Bunsen burner 
 > experiments that appears hard to kill.
 > 
 > While composition in some cases does have some influence on the colour, it 
 > is 
 > actually the composition of the atmosphere that is usually dominant for our 
 > perception of meteor colours.
 > 
 > That certainly is true for green colours. Meteor spectra show that meteors 
 > usually are very strong at the "forbidden" Oxygen line at 5577 Angstrom 
 > (557.7 nm). 
 > This line is due to atmospheric Oxygen, the same atmospheric Oxygen 
 > exitation line also responsible for the green colours of Aurora.
 > 
 > So green meteor colours are likely atmospheric in origin and say little
 > about the meteoroids' composition.
 > 
 > - Marco
 > 
 > -
 > Dr Marco (asteroid 183294) Langbroek
 > Dutch Meteor Society (DMS)
 > 
 > e-mail: d...@marcolangbroek.nl
 > http://www.marcolangbroek.nl 
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[meteorite-list] Time for change - here in US (was, Re: something about Las Vegas)

[Robert Verish via Meteorite-list]

Hi Sonny, 

Apparently, you haven't read any of my articles where I clearly pointed to the 
top of the pyramid where the funding for meteorite studies are rationed-out, 
and 
why there is a lack of funding for classifying US meteorites. I commiserate 
with the classifiers on this lack of funding and in no way am I laying any 
guilt on them.  
I well understand that no US researcher can come forward as a benefactor in 
this current situation.  My offer of US chondrite type-specimen was actually
directed to researchers outside of the USA.  Again, that was stated in my 
article, as well.

Your defense of US geochemists is commendable, but unnecessary in this 
instance. I don't need to ask their position on this funding matter.  It's well 
documented. 
But maybe we should also ask the opinion of other researchers, maybe even 
outside of the MetSoc.  Maybe even outside of the USA.  Ask them what they 
think 
about us not recording or documenting (let alone not classifying) newly found 
meteorites.  Researchers like those that are studying the rate of influx and 
number of falls per unit area.  And other researchers such as those that are 
interested in knowing exactly how many small meteoroids are flying around in 
the 
vicinity of our astronauts. We should ask all of them. 
We should ask all the stakeholders.  Even US taxpayers, who are stakeholders as 
well, because I'm sure they are assuming their tax dollars are being spent 
wisely on protecting them from meteoroids hitting them.   
I'm sure all of these various people are counting on us to do our job in this 
regard, and not to literally ignore found meteorites. 

I've been waiting for one of the other old-timers to make this realization and 
make a comment, but I'm getting more impatient as I get older. So, I'll say it 
now.  
It wasn't that long ago that we, as US meteorite-hunters, were thanking our 
lucky stars that we didn't have to deal with all of the stifling regulations 
that 
our comrades in Australia and Canada were having to put-up with.  But they made 
some crucial adjustments in their culture and now those countries are 
experiencing a golden age in meteorite-recovery. 

It's amazing how fast things have turned 180 degrees.  

Bob V. 

P.S. - please allow me to update this table of recovery data:

Stewart Valley - over 700 recorded finds, only 22 in the MBD, 6 different 
classifications, only the H6 and L6 are paired.  Where's the beef?   
Tungston Mountain - over 700 recorded finds, only 22 in the MBD, 10 are 
unpaired, the eight H4s are probably paired.  Still no justification for a 
complaint. 
Lucerne Valley - over120 meteorites, CK are the majority of the 66 classifieds, 
but there were 5 unique classes in the first 7 finds, 9 in 12, 10 in 15. 
Coyote Dry lake - over 350 recorded finds, only 82 are in MBD, so far 56 of 
these are classified. >8 unique classes.  No one has done a pairing study.
Stump Springs  130 field-numbered finds, only 84 provisional numbers, only 1 
classified find.  No strewn-field data is published.
Yelland Dry lake  Hundreds of fragments, and only one classification.  Worlds 
only one meteorite dry lake!  Was there any strewn-field data recorded?
There still is no estimate of how many original masses formed all of these 
clusters of fragments, or their locations.   This is one big fuster cluck.  


On Tue, 9/15/15, wahlperry--- via Meteorite-list 
 wrote:

 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Local to Las Vegas expert needed to rewiew afind.
 To: raremeteori...@centurylink.net, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2015, 1:53 PM
 
 Hi Bob, Adam and List,
 
 >This is a concern that others have shared with me, and has prompted me to
 >write on this subject in three separate articles, which essentially said,
 >"Hey, here are some US chondrites that need to be classified." 
 >Still haven't received any offers
 
deleted

 
 Stewart Valley  TBR plus finds finds,
 Tungston Mountain  TBR meteorites/ fragments
 Lucerne Valley  124 meteorites
 Coyote Dry lake 341 meteorites
 Stump Springs  130 plus meteorites
 Yelland Dry lake  Hundreds of fragments 
  
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Re: [meteorite-list] Local to Las Vegas expert needed to rewiew a find.

[Robert Verish via Meteorite-list]

No Larry, 
There actually is a problem. 
John's "opinion" is a common misconception that I even held until I personally 
learned of this recent trend. 
This is a concern that others have shared with me, and has prompted me to write 
on this subject in three 
separate articles, which essentially said, "Hey, here are some US chondrites 
that need to be classified." 
Still haven't received any offers.  

My request still stands. 
I would like to hear from people with recent experience in this area that can 
point me in the direction of 
a cheap classifier that still accepts small, ordinary chondrites.  
I suspect when I find one it will be outside the US. 

Bob V.


On Tue, 9/15/15, Larry Atkins via Meteorite-list 
 wrote:

 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Local to Las Vegas expert needed to rewiew a 
find.
 To: bigjohns...@mail.com, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2015, 5:28 AM
 
 Hi John, List,
 
 You may be right about not having a problem getting a US chondrite classified, 
however, 
 if it was found in the Mojave desert it is likely to get a number instead of a 
name.
 Unfortunately, Nom Com will likely lump it in with the nearest DCA, 
 
 I'm wondering how much longer it will be before the entire Mojave desert is 
one big
 DCA like NWA?
 
 
 
 Sincerely,
 Larry Atkins
  
 IMCA # 1941
 Ebay alienrockfarm
  
 
 
 -Original
 Message-
 From: Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list 
 To: mstreman53 
 Cc: Meteorite Mailing List 
 Sent: Tue, Sep 15, 2015 5:07 am
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Local to Las Vegas expert needed to rewiew a 
find.
 
 
 I'd love to see a photo also, but I live in Philadelphia so I won't be
 seeingthis in person. :-) That aside,I'm assuming from
 your post that this is a"chondrite" native to the
 USA, and not just another NWA. I have about 25
 NWA'sundergoing classification now, and I have more
 I'd like to get classified but itis indeed hard to find
 a lab that will work on NWAs that look like obvious OCs. I
 think that is a mistake on their part, because there are so
 many uniquethings to be found in meteorites.  
 In my opinion, many labs would thinkdifferently about a
 "native" US chondrite, than an NWA chondrite.  I
 do notthink you will have trouble finding a home for it if
 it is a USA find.  Cheers,John 

Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 at 5:47 PMFrom: "MEM viaMeteorite-list"
 To: "Meteorite
 MailingList" Subject: [meteorite-list]
 Local toLas Vegas expert needed to rewiew a find.I am in
 contact with a Las Vegasresident who has, by all appearances
 fair-sized, fresh chondrite. If you arewilling and able to
 inspect in person and get her stone into the system,
 pleasesend me your contact information for forwarding. Pics
 onrequest.Regards,Elton
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Re: [meteorite-list] Local to Las Vegas expert needed to rewiew a find.

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I agree with Michael.  
I frequently get similar requests from people needing their "chondrite" 
authenticated and "placed into the system". 
Not much of a problem getting their stone identified, but the owners are 
becoming more and more dismayed by 
the increasing difficulty finding someone to classify a chondrite, not to 
mention the expense.  
The second part of that request is getting harder and harder to guarantee to a 
prospective client.  

Hey Elton, if you get lucky and find a benefactor that can get " a stone into 
the system" on the cheap, 
then please share that with me.  I've got a long line of orphaned OCs that need 
to be classified, and 
to go into the MetBull Database. 
Bob V.


On Mon, 9/14/15, Michael Mulgrew via Meteorite-list 
 wrote:

 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Local to Las Vegas expert needed to rewiew a 
find.
 To: "MEM" 
 Cc: "Meteorite Mailing List" 
 Date: Monday, September 14, 2015, 2:59 PM
 
 An in person inspection is easy to promise, but 
 unless one is an accredited lab doing the classification then
 there can be no guarantees made to that regard.
 
 I'm a few hours from Vegas and get that way often.  Feel free to email
 me some picts and if I can I'll take a look some day, but I know there
 are several Vegas residents who would also know what they're looking at.
 
 Michael in
 so. Cal.
 
 On Mon, Sep 14,
 2015 at 2:47 PM, MEM via Meteorite-list
 
 wrote:
 > I am in contact with a Las Vegas resident who has, by all appearances 
 > fair-sized, fresh
 chondrite.  If you are willing and able to inspect in person and get her stone 
into the system, 
 please send  me your contact information for forwarding.  Pics on request.
 >
 > Regards,
 > Elton
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[meteorite-list] Helpful Tips For Nuking An Asteroid

[Robert Verish via Meteorite-list]

A recent article about the importance of knowing the composition and physical 
properties of asteroids.  
And as I have always said, we need to know everything we can learn from all of 
the meteorites (large and small) 
that we can find and study, as well as their rate of influx: 

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/08/150803-space-nasa-asteroids-comets-nuclear-weapons-defense/?utm_source=NatGeo

Extracted from the article: 

[Quote]
Nor do we have experience using a weapon of mass destruction as a precision 
instrument. We would need to know the ideal proximity and yield of the 
explosive device, as well as the asteroid’s physical properties. Is it porous 
and rocky, or dense and metallic, such as the 150-foot-wide iron-nickel object 
that fell to Earth 50,000 years ago, creating the nearly mile-wide Meteor 
Crater in Arizona?

In other words, how does one nuke an asteroid and make sure to obliterate it so 
thoroughly that the bits won't kill us like a shotgun blast?

When scientists debate methods for blowing up asteroids, they speak in terms of 
“energy coupling”—how much of the explosive energy is transferred to the 
target, and the effect of that energy as it travels through the asteroid.

And that’s why the composition of an asteroid can be crucial.  
[unquote.]

Bob V.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Salinas man finds meteorites in Nevada

[Robert Verish via Meteorite-list]

Just in case you were wondering, 
If you try to search in the Met Bulletin Database for Misfit Flats, it will 
result in No Matches Found.  
You will have to type-in the correct name for the locality, Misfits Flat in 
order to get results for Misfits Flat 001  002. 

This is a rare case where a Nevada dry lake was named after a movie, The 
Misfits (1961, dir. John Huston).  
Many people questioned why this movie was shot in blackwhite, but I like to 
think that, since so many scenes were shot at this location, 
the harsh light of the dry lake forced the issue:  
http://tinyurl.com/oa6a6ru 
Bob V.



On Mon, 8/17/15, Shawn Alan via Meteorite-list 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote:

 Subject: [meteorite-list] Salinas man finds meteorites in Nevada
 To: Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Monday, August 17, 2015, 12:40 PM
 
 Hello Listers
 
 Great read, enjoy :)
 
 Shawn Alan
 IMCA 1633 
 ebay store http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633ny/m.html
 Website http://meteoritefalls.com 
 
 Salinas man finds meteorites in Nevada
 
 Scott Harlan 7:38 a.m. PDT August 15, 2015
 
 My interest in geology probably started with my father who was a
 petroleum geologist. We would go to gem and mineral shows together and
 look at all of the spectacular specimens.
 
 Later as an adult, our family often incorporated some kind of rock
 hounding in our vacations. We hunted for fossil fish in Wyoming,
 trilobites in Utah and Herkimer diamonds in New Jersey. This was
 something everyone in our family could do with really equal chances of
 success regardless of age.
 
 There is a sense of discovery when you find something that no man has
 ever seen before.
 
 In 2011, there was a witnessed meteorite fall near Sutter’s Mill in
 California. It was a large fireball and the speeding meteorite fragments
 appeared on weather radar, so there was good definition for where to
 look for meteorites on the ground.
 
 My brother and I went up to Lotus, an unincorporated community in El
 Dorado County, and searched for a couple days, but we did not find
 anything. Many people did find meteorites from that fall, however, and
 this sparked my interest in meteorite hunting.
 
 Source:
 
http://www.thecalifornian.com/story/life/2015/08/15/salinas-man-finds-meteorites-nevada/31775177/
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Re: [meteorite-list] Methane detected in meteorites adds fuel to life on Mars theories

[Robert Verish via Meteorite-list]

Here is a link to the actual abstract/paper:  

http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2015/150616/ncomms8399/full/ncomms8399.html 

Evidence for methane in Martian meteorites - by
 Nigel J. F. Blamey,
 John Parnell,  
 Sean McMahon,  
 Darren F. Mark,
 Tim Tomkinson, 
 Martin Lee,
 Jared Shivak,  
 Matthew R. M. Izawa,   
 Neil R. Banerjee   
  Roberta L. Flemming

ABSTRACT: 
The putative occurrence of methane in the Martian atmosphere has had a major 
influence on the exploration of Mars, especially by the implication of active 
biology. The occurrence has not been borne out by measurements of atmosphere by 
the MSL rover Curiosity but, as on Earth, methane on Mars is most likely in the 
subsurface of the crust. Serpentinization of olivine-bearing rocks, to yield 
hydrogen that may further react with carbon-bearing species, has been widely 
invoked as a source of methane on Mars, but this possibility has not hitherto 
been tested. Here we show that some Martian meteorites, representing basic 
igneous rocks, liberate a methane-rich volatile component on crushing. The 
occurrence of methane in Martian rock samples adds strong weight to models 
whereby any life on Mars is/was likely to be resident in a subsurface habitat, 
where methane could be a source of energy and carbon for microbial activity. 

In other words, the subsurface of Mars is like a dining table with all of the 
necessary settings and the food ready and waiting.   
Another title for this post could read as, Guess Who's Coming to Dinner?

Enjoy the read,
Bob V. 
http://meteorite-recovery.tripod.com/2010/mar10.htm 


On Thu, 6/18/15, Shawn Alan via Meteorite-list 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote:

 Subject: [meteorite-list] Methane detected in meteorites adds fuel to life 
on Mars theories
 To: Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Thursday, June 18, 2015, 3:22 PM
 
 Hello Listers
 
 I think the question is when will life be detected, I have a
 hunch and think there was life on Mars in the past, it comes down to
 proof :)
 
 Enjoy
  Shawn Alan

 
 CTVNews.ca Staff 
 Published Thursday, June 18, 2015 10:48AM EDT  
 
 A team of Canadian, Scottish and U.S. researchers says they
 have discovered traces of methane in meteorites from Mars -- 
 a possible clue in the search for life on the Red Planet.
 
 The researchers examined samples from six Martian meteorites
 that had fallen to Earth. The team crushed the rocks and then
 analyzed the gases that emerged using a mass spectrometer.
 
 The meteorites were found to contain gases similar to the
 composition of the Martian atmosphere; they also contained methane.
 
 LINK:
 
http://www.ctvnews.ca/sci-tech/methane-detected-in-meteorites-adds-fuel-to-life-on-mars-theories-1.2428568
 
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[meteorite-list] Fossil Meteorite Video

[Robert Verish via Meteorite-list]

To Shawn and List, 

Yes, an interesting video. 
But, This is not the original video!  
Here is the original video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aEdhZP8g-s 
I don't know who Linda Ryan is but that person is using someone else's video 
to promote their erroneous opinion that there are fossils in meteorites.  
Linda Ryan has nothing to do with Brain Scoop or the people that made this 
video. 
Bob V. 
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[meteorite-list] Son of Man

[Robert Verish via Meteorite-list]

The following text is from Dr. Alan Rubin
we're still trying to work out a html-to-text conversion problem
hope this makes it to the Met-List. 
(You can charge me for this AD; I still have one more to my credit;-)
Bob V.  

***+___
It may offend some, but my new novel is available for purchase on Amazon and on 
Kindle.  It is called:

Son of Man: A Personal Memoir by Yehoshuah ben Yahweh, Translated and Edited by 
Arthur Melton and Monica Wheatley 

Here is the description:

The jury is still out -- this memoir, hidden in an Egyptian cave for 2000 
years, could be a literary forgery. It purports to be the only extant piece of 
writing penned by Jesus Christ. Most of the traditional Gospel stories and 
parables are here, but in nearly every case, the implied lessons differ 
dramatically from those in the New Testament. The author shows himself to be a 
charismatic, often ruthless, Jewish nationalist intent on expelling the Romans 
from Judaea. Jesus befriends the illusionist Simon Magus, who shows him how to 
stage healings. He recruits the apostle Paul as a double agent and crosses 
rhetorical swords with Alexandrian and Roman philosophers. He performs 
astounding deeds: he appears to walk on water and seems to raise Lazarus from 
the dead. His militia launches guerrilla attacks against Roman caravans while 
his disciples dispatch perfidious tax collectors. All this in preparation for a 
daring Passover rebellion. This is a bold story
 of religious fundamentalism, cynical manipulation and political violence, all 
written with a touch of humor.

Everyone should buy a copy or two.  They make great post-Easter gifts.
Alan
-- 
Alan Rubin
Institute of Geophysics and Planetary Physics
Department of Earth, Planetary, and Space Sciences
University of California
3845 Slichter Hall
603 Charles Young Dr. E
Los Angeles, CA  90095-1567
USA

office phone: 310-825-3202
fax: 310-206-3051
e-mail: aeru...@ucla.edu
website: http://cosmochemists.igpp.ucla.edu/Rubin.html
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Re: [meteorite-list] Wanted: Saffordites/Colombianites

[Robert Verish via Meteorite-list]

Hello Matija, 

Please report back to the list should any of your specimens NOT bubble-up when 
heated-up in a microwave oven. 
Here are some other tektite tests: 
http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2003/January/Jims_Fragments.htm 
http://tektitesource.com/Tektite_tests.html 

Bob V.


On Thu, 2/19/15, matija bericic via Meteorite-list 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote:

 Subject: [meteorite-list] Wanted: Saffordites/Colobianites
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Thursday, February 19, 2015, 3:07 AM
 
 Dear members,
 I am looking fo Saffordites and Colombianites (also called
 Americanites).
 I know you will say they are not tektites, but I want them
 anyway to
 check it by myself.
 Photos and offers on:
 matija.beri...@gmail.com
 Thank you,
 Matija
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Re: [meteorite-list] Fireball over PA

[Robert Verish via Meteorite-list]

Thanks for posting this to the List, John. 
Those that are not subscribed to facebook might have missed this discussion. 

Having a lot of relatives in this part of PA, I'm very familiar with this area. 
 But, 
this area has had a long history of visitations from out there in space, and 
has become a localized hot-bed for ufologists.  Starting with: 

http://www.debunker.com/Kecksburg.html 
The Kecksburg, Pennsylvania UFO Crash -  actually the Great Lakes Fireball of 
December 9, 1965 -- 
then
http://preview.tinyurl.com/np5xeor 
and 
http://preview.tinyurl.com/mx6hyv9 

and just plain strange, 
http://www.strangeusa.com/Viewlocation.aspx?id=46764 
http://preview.tinyurl.com/npq4m8a

Waiting for word from the locals when the snow will start to melt.
Bob V. 


On Thu, 2/19/15, J Sinclair via Meteorite-list 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote:

 Subject: [meteorite-list] Fireball over PA
 To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Thursday, February 19, 2015, 5:35 AM
 
 Video and animation at:
 
 http://www.theverge.com/2015/2/18/805/giant-fireball-over-pittsburgh-video
 
 A 500-pound space rock about two feet in diameter entered
 the Earth's atmosphere outside of Pittsburgh last night, according to NASA. 
 The object, detected by three NASA meteor cameras, was moving at
 a speed of 45,000 miles per hour. Visibility was lost at an altitude of 13 
miles, but 
 the space agency speculates that fragments, or meteorites,
 might be found on the ground east of Kittanning, PA. 
 NASA posted this animation from the meteor's perspective showing its
 trajectory as it raced towards western Pennsylvania
 
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Ron Hartman Collection items coming to Tucson

[Robert Verish via Meteorite-list]

Recently returned from a mineralogy symposium and every speaker commented on 
the problem with the BLM and Forest Service obstructing their field research.  
But that is off-topic.  
What is on-topic, and where more discussion needs to be done, is how these 
agencies are increasingly holding back meteorite researchers from conducting 
field work, by requiring more and more paperwork and permits.  The next fall on 
public lands will find researchers unable to get to the strewn-field in a 
timely manner, because they will be mired in regulations.  The primary concern 
of these .gov agencies seems to be in generating more and more paperwork. My 
first hand experience with the Nevada BLM is that they have little interest in 
meteorite-recovery and even less about meteorite-hunters removing a scant few 
pounds from the surface of the ground.  They seem to have little interest in 
science, let alone hobbyists and their meteorites. So, it is no surprise that 
they have little concern about private property rights.  
Good luck in your battles protecting your rights. 
Bob V. 

-- 
  On Feb 3, 2015, at 1:20 AM, Robert Verish via
  Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
  wrote:
 
  I'm forwarding a
  message from the curator for the Ron Hartman Collection,
  that he will be in Tucson later this week and will be
 making
  available some specimens from that collection.
  Here is a short list of some of the specimens
  being offered for trade or sale:
 
  ID# 35) Clover Springs Mesosiderite 6.6255 g. V. Good
 Corner slice. (SMB)
  ID# 37) Bensour, Morocco Ordinary Chondrite, LL6 5.69 g.
 Individual. Fell 
 2-11-2002
  ID# 49) Cleo Springs Ordinary Chondrite, H4 53.9 g. Good
 Slice
  ID# 55) Songyuan [label has printed:
  Fuyu, (proposed name)] Jilin, China Ordinary Chondrite,
 H5 13.75 g. 
 Part-slice. Fell 8-15-1993 (ex. mhmeteorites)
  ID# 56) Hebron Stone H6 Brecciated 17.19 g. Good Part
 slice. Thayer Co. 
 Nebraska
  ID# 70) Silver Dry Lake Ordinary Chondrite, L4 S2 W2 1.272
 g. Good endcut, 
 nice fusion crust. [On HOLD]
  ID# 79) Dar al Gani DaG 749 Carbonaceous Chondrite CO3
 12.622 g. V. Good - 
 Rectangular slice.
  ID#380) Sahara SAH 99433 OC Stone 56.86 g. V. Good thick
 complete slice.
  ID#875) Pallasovka Pallasite 11.0 g. V. Good quarter-circle
 slice.
 
  The curators contact information will not be known until
 after he arrives 
 in Tucson. In the meanwhile,
  if you are interested in making an offer or trade, you can
 reply to me and 
 I will relay your messages.
 
  Bob Verish
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Re: [meteorite-list] Ron Hartman Collection items coming to Tucson

[Robert Verish via Meteorite-list]

Yes, it is common knowledge that Ron's son, Jim, sold many of the meteorites 
from his father's collection. 
So, it MAY be that Jim was the executor of the estate, but in no way would I 
call Jim the curator.  But that is in the past.  

I'm just the messenger here, but what I do know for certain is that the owner 
of the R.N. Collection is Ron's wife, Petra Hartman. 
I know that she has designated (in a notarized letter)  a friend of the family 
to be in charge of the collection.  He has agreed in writing: 
that he will not be paid for this work - not for labor, nor for expenses.  
This is the person that I am calling the present curator.  
By the way,  I am also volunteering my time and effort with this collection 
pro bono at the request of the curator (and as a friend of the family).  
So, forgive me if I show little patience with all of these distractions. 

Reader's of this List should take note that I have clearly stated what I know 
to be fact from those statements which are only to the best of my knowledge. 
Too many posts to this List are stating conjecture and opinion (promoting an 
agenda) as if it were actual fact.  This is not to reflect on those who have 
replied to this thread.  
But recent threads have been perfect examples.   Personal agendas about the 
meteorite market, the Tucson Show, the BLM, and Nevada meteorites have been 
shown to have no basis in reality, let alone in fact.  This is resulting in a 
great deal of misinformation.  
What I find worse is that obviously untrue statements are going unchallenged.  
With the sole exception of Mike Farmer, nobody is questioning these posts for 
their basis in fact.  

Whoa!!  Just saw all of the replies about my post.  Gotta go; no more time left 
for dispelling rumors... 
Bob V.



On Tue, 2/3/15, Gmail via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
wrote:

 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ron Hartman Collection items coming to Tucson
 To: Robert Verish bolidecha...@yahoo.com
 Cc: Meteoritecentral List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Tuesday, February 3, 2015, 7:11 AM
 
 The only actual
 curator would be Jim Hartman, Ron's son. I
 worked with Jim over the course of 12 months to acquire a
 large amount of the collection. I know of 3 other people who
 also bought from Jim. The only thing I am calling myself is
 grateful. A fair number of these pieces will remain in my
 collection forever like my 32.5kg Campo, 13kg Canyon Diablo
 found by Ron himself and 20g slice of Thiel Mountain an
 Antarctic pallasite, to name a few.
 
 My only regret is that I never got a chance to meet this great man.
 
 I have been selling some of his collection and will continue to do so.
 
 I will also continue to buy old collections, so if anyone is considering doing 
so
 then let me know.
 
 Best,
 
 Mendy Ouzillou
 
 On Feb 3, 2015, at 1:20 AM, Robert Verish via
 Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 wrote:
 
 I'm forwarding a
 message from the curator for the Ron Hartman Collection,
 that he will be in Tucson later this week and will be making
 available some specimens from that collection.  
 Here is a short list of some of the specimens
 being offered for trade or sale:   
 
 ID# 35) Clover Springs Mesosiderite 6.6255 g. V. Good Corner slice. (SMB) 
 ID# 37) Bensour, Morocco Ordinary Chondrite, LL6 5.69 g. Individual. Fell 
2-11-2002
 ID# 49) Cleo Springs Ordinary Chondrite, H4 53.9 g. Good Slice
 ID# 55) Songyuan [label has printed:
 Fuyu, (proposed name)] Jilin, China Ordinary Chondrite, H5 13.75 g. 
Part-slice.  Fell 8-15-1993 (ex. mhmeteorites)
 ID# 56) Hebron Stone  H6 Brecciated 17.19 g. Good Part slice.  Thayer Co. 
Nebraska
 ID# 70) Silver Dry Lake Ordinary Chondrite, L4  S2  W2 1.272 g. Good endcut, 
nice fusion crust. [On HOLD]
 ID# 79)  Dar al Gani DaG 749 Carbonaceous Chondrite  CO3 12.622 g. V. Good - 
Rectangular slice.
 ID#380) Sahara SAH 99433 OC Stone 56.86 g. V. Good thick complete slice.   
 ID#875) Pallasovka Pallasite 11.0 g. V. Good quarter-circle slice. 
 
 The curators contact information will not be known until after he arrives in 
Tucson.  In the meanwhile,
 if you are interested in making an offer or trade, you can reply to me and I 
will relay your messages.  
 
 Bob Verish
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[meteorite-list] Ron Hartman Collection items coming to Tucson

[Robert Verish via Meteorite-list]

I'm forwarding a message from the curator for the Ron Hartman Collection, that 
he will be in Tucson later this week and will be making available some 
specimens from that collection.  
Here is a short list of some of the specimens being offered for trade or sale:  
 

ID# 35) Clover Springs Mesosiderite 6.6255 g. V. Good Corner slice. (SMB) 
ID# 37) Bensour, Morocco Ordinary Chondrite, LL6 5.69 g. Individual. Fell 
2-11-2002
ID# 49) Cleo Springs Ordinary Chondrite, H4 53.9 g. Good Slice
ID# 55) Fuyu, (proposed name) Jilin, China Ordinary Chondrite, H5 13.75 g. 
Part-slice.  Fell 8-15-1993 (ex. mhmeteorites)
ID# 56) Hebron Stone  H6 Brecciated 17.19 g. Good Part slice.  Thayer Co. 
Nebraska
ID# 70) Silver Dry Lake Ordinary Chondrite, L4  S2  W2 1.272 g. Good endcut, 
nice fusion crust.
ID# 79)  Dar al Gani DaG 749 Carbonaceous Chondrite  CO3 12.622 g. V. Good - 
Rectangular slice.
ID#380) Sahara SAH 99433 OC Stone 56.86 g. V. Good thick complete slice. 
ID#875) Pallasovka Pallasite 11.0 g. V. Good Quarter circle slice. 

The curators contact information will not be known until after he arrives in 
Tucson.  In the meanwhile, if you are interested in making an offer or trade, 
you can reply to me and I will relay your messages.  

Bob Verish
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[meteorite-list] Karoonda specimens larger than 2grams

[Robert Verish via Meteorite-list]

Hello All,

Hope everyone is having a pleasant and apparently quiet weekend.
This post is directed to those of us who have specimens of Karoonda (CK4) in 
their collection that are greater than 2grams. 
I realize that it is highly unlikely that none are available, but I am curious 
how many 2g specimens are still surviving in our collections? 
I've made a statement in my Karoonda auction that my 2.45g specimen is probably 
the largest fragment made available in quite a long time, and 
I'm curious if there are any specimens even close to that size in personal 
collections.  
Feel free to contact me off-List if you prefer,
Bob V. 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Finding organic compounds is not proof life has been found on Mars

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Re: [meteorite-list] M 009

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Hi Bernd and All,
Thanks for the many leads and suggestions that you have given me, Bernd, but 
I'm starting to accept the possibility that the M (with a line through it) 
signifies that it is a Meteor-wrong.  :-( 
Which would explain why it was in the Ron Hartman Collection without a label.  

The negative evidence against that supposition is that M001. thru M008. are 
nowhere to be found.  
But this M009. may have been the best of the lot; a real keeper.   The kind 
that you save for those games of one-up-man-ship when the hunters sit around 
the campfire and talk about the heartbreakers that didn't pan-out.  You think 
that ones purrty, take a gander at this beauty, boys! 

If I'm at a dead-end on this one, I guess I'll have to make a thin-section to 
confirm ID.  
But  then again, if I convince myself that this is just a limy siltstone with a 
small patch of psilomelane coating the exterior, 
a cheaper/quicker method of IDing would be to take a small chip and dissolve 
the carbonate matrix in acid, then examine 
whatever silicate grains remain under a microscope.  I expect I'll see quartz.  
:-( 
In any case, I'll report back the results to satisfy anyone's remaining 
curiosity.  
And yes, of course, I will cancel my M009. auction :  
http://tinyurl.com/pclbfg2

Again, thanks to everyone for their ID help with the label, and for those in 
the US 
Happy Thanksgiving,
Bob V.
 


On Thursday, November 27, 2014 3:17 AM, Bernd V. Pauli via Meteorite-list 
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Could the M stand for one of these persons?

Mike Martinez
Mike Miller

Cheers,

Bernd


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[meteorite-list] M_009.

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Good afternoon All,
Requesting your help in getting additional information about a specimen which 
has a label with this:   M 009.  ??
(Please see links to images of this label.) 

http://meteorite-recovery.tripod.com/misplaced/m_009_a.jpg

http://meteorite-recovery.tripod.com/misplaced/m_009_b.jpg 
http://meteorite-recovery.tripod.com/misplaced/m_009_c.jpg
http://meteorite-recovery.tripod.com/misplaced/m_009_d.jpg  

The specimen is 49.14g and appears to be a weathered desert rock with lichens 
growing on it,
and if it actually is a meteorite, it looks like it could be an unbrecciated 
eucrite, 
The label doesn't appear to be recently made and looks legit. 

Comments please,
Bob V.
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Re: [meteorite-list] M_009.

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Today at 8:14 PM  
I agree with Michael Farmer.  Agoult is way fresher than this specimen. 
I was hoping that Michael would chime-in because I know that a lot of Agoult 
has gone through his hands.  
And Bernd has been writing to me off-List trying to help me get this stone 
ID'd.  He recognized that my specimen was too weathered to be Agoult.  
And Bandli has spent a lot of time trying to match the label-style. Still no 
luck. 

Got a lot of replies off-List.  I want to thank everyone for their efforts in 
helping me get an answer. 

I'm getting desperate.  The next time you see this stone, it may be on eBay - 
with the hope that someone will identify the label and what collection this 
stone originated  -  but it will be intentionally priced very high, with the 
hope that no one will bid on it!  Probably will get some complaints about me 
doing that, but like I said, I'm trying everything.   Again, this is an Anti-AD 
- DON'T bid on this auction.  Hope I don't owe Art any money for this Anti-AD.
Bob V.



On Wednesday, November 26, 2014 7:04 PM, Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote:




No chance that's agoult, could be similar but not paired. I owned a lot of 
agoult. 

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 On Nov 26, 2014, at 1:20 PM, Bernd V. Pauli via Meteorite-list 
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 Hello Bob, Moni, List,
 
 I concur. It sure does look like a eucrite, and,
 if it is very friable, it might even be Agoult or
 an Agoult pairing!
 
 Best wishes,
 
 Bernd
 
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Martin Goff's Out Reach

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 in the community.  However, they should be careful when
 issuing statements such as authenticity guaranteed because
 determining authenticity requires extensive analysis by reputable
 scientists in a lab stocked with millions of dollars worth of
 high-tech equipment.
 
 Best regards and Happy Huntings,
 
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 On 11/23/14, Robert Verish bolidecha...@yahoo.com wrote:
  Maybe Michael's questions are rhetorical, but I haven't read any 
 answers or
  replies.
  After all, in the past others have asked these same questions, and still
  never any satisfactory answers.
 
  But, allow me to answer the question of how do you guarantee
  authenticity?, by stating the obvious:
  authenticity is established through well-documented provenance.
 
  Which leads me to question why chose Battle Mountain and NWA 869 to use as
  examples to prove your case.  You couldn't pick two meteorites that 
 would be
  less supportive of the point you are trying to make.
  I'm not saying that there aren't too many NWA chondrites being 
 self-paired
  to NWA 869 for marketing convenience, but this is one that dealers somehow
  have maintained a respectable batting average with their 
 guessing.
  Besides, how many complaints are there?  Who's expectations are not 
 being
  met when they purchase an uncut chondrite labeled as NWA 869?
 
  Battle Mountain!  BaM is the best example of a well-documented, recent 
 fall.
   It has the shortest chain of provenance!  It fell late 2012; it's 
 hunted
  and recovered by collectors and dealers; it's sold by those same 
 dealer's
  and BINGO, it's in your collection.  Any questions?  If so, don't 
 have very
  far to go to get answers.  That's called provenance.
  Who is guaranteeing authenticity?  A quick search of 
 Completed eBay
  auctions shows only one meteorite dealer (Mendy) having sold a 3.9g
  partslice of BaM, where he clearly shows his source, the finder, by way of
  the original label.  That's another example of provenance.
 
  But just because Michael used bad examples doesn't mean that the point 
 he is
  trying to make isn't valid.  In fact, I think the majority of us agree 
 with
  him in principle.
  Yet, asking questions such, How do I really know that it is Battle 
 Mountain
  and not one of hundreds of NWA L6 look-a-likes? is very 
 counter-productive,
  to say the least.  Given that other customers can ask those same question,
  it's akin to pouring gasoline over oneself and then volunteering to 
 light
  the ceremonial Burning-Man bon-fire.
  To satisfy my curiosity, I found a link to images of hundreds of NWA 
 L6
  look alikes:  http://tinyurl.com/ksdmulw
  Now, compare those to these images of BaM (L6) :
  http://tinyurl.com/oukblbh
 
  Wow, never expected that my answer to a rhetorical question would be this
  long.
  Anyway, I should thank everyone for giving my this opportunity to talk once
  more about Battle Mountain.
  It has prompted me to relinquish 2 of my BaM specimens, and I've 
 uploaded
  them onto eBay.
  If it makes everyone happy, I WON'T guarantee authenticity!
  But I'm still going to guarantee your satisfaction, or your money back!
  (Isn't that really the only thing that IMCA can require of their 
 members?
  ;-)
  Bob V.
 
  On Sunday, November 23, 2014 9:01 AM, Galactic Stone  Ironworks via
  Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote:
 
 
 
 
 Hi Jim and List,
 
 Please do not take this as a knock at the IMCA, because it is not
 intended that way, and I certainly do want to experience the old
 shoot the messenger syndrome again.
 
 How exactly does anyone guarantee authenticity in regards to 
 meteorites?
 
 Let's look at a typical example that happens on a daily basis in the
 meteorite community :
 
 If I am offered a specimen of Battle Mountain by a dealer.  How do I
 really know that it is Battle Mountain and not one of hundreds of NWA
 L6 look-a-likes?  Regardless of whether or not the seller is an IMCA
 member, how can one guarantee authenticity of any specimen, unless
 that particular specimen has been examined and analyzed by a reputable
 scientist?
 
 I do not know of any dealers who have every batch of material they
 acquire tested at a lab. They use a combination of faith in their
 sources and hand-examination to determine if the material should be
 offered.  Sure, new unclassified material is analyzed to have it
 classified and officially approved by Met Soc.  But what about NWA
 869?  How many dealers have their NWA 869 analyzed prior to offering
 it?  If it is untested, then how can one make any guarantees?
 
 Best regards,
 
 MikeG
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Maybe Michael's questions are rhetorical, but I haven't read any answers or 
replies.  
After all, in the past others have asked these same questions, and still never 
any satisfactory answers.  

But, allow me to answer the question of how do you guarantee authenticity?, 
by stating the obvious:  
authenticity is established through well-documented provenance.  

Which leads me to question why chose Battle Mountain and NWA 869 to use as 
examples to prove your case.  You couldn't pick two meteorites that would be 
less supportive of the point you are trying to make.  
I'm not saying that there aren't too many NWA chondrites being self-paired to 
NWA 869 for marketing convenience, but this is one that dealers somehow have 
maintained a respectable batting average with their guessing.  Besides, how 
many complaints are there?  Who's expectations are not being met when they 
purchase an uncut chondrite labeled as NWA 869? 

Battle Mountain!  BaM is the best example of a well-documented, recent fall.  
It has the shortest chain of provenance!  It fell late 2012; it's hunted and 
recovered by collectors and dealers; it's sold by those same dealer's and 
BINGO, it's in your collection.  Any questions?  If so, don't have very far to 
go to get answers.  That's called provenance.  
Who is guaranteeing authenticity?  A quick search of Completed eBay 
auctions shows only one meteorite dealer (Mendy) having sold a 3.9g partslice 
of BaM, where he clearly shows his source, the finder, by way of the original 
label.  That's another example of provenance.   

But just because Michael used bad examples doesn't mean that the point he is 
trying to make isn't valid.  In fact, I think the majority of us agree with him 
in principle. 
Yet, asking questions such, How do I really know that it is Battle Mountain 
and not one of hundreds of NWA L6 look-a-likes? is very counter-productive, to 
say the least.  Given that other customers can ask those same question, it's 
akin to pouring gasoline over oneself and then volunteering to light the 
ceremonial Burning-Man bon-fire. 
To satisfy my curiosity, I found a link to images of hundreds of NWA L6 look 
alikes:  http://tinyurl.com/ksdmulw 
Now, compare those to these images of BaM (L6) :  http://tinyurl.com/oukblbh
 
Wow, never expected that my answer to a rhetorical question would be this long. 
Anyway, I should thank everyone for giving my this opportunity to talk once 
more about Battle Mountain. 
It has prompted me to relinquish 2 of my BaM specimens, and I've uploaded them 
onto eBay. 
If it makes everyone happy, I WON'T guarantee authenticity!  
But I'm still going to guarantee your satisfaction, or your money back!  
(Isn't that really the only thing that IMCA can require of their members?
;-)
Bob V.

On Sunday, November 23, 2014 9:01 AM, Galactic Stone  Ironworks via 
Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote:




Hi Jim and List,

Please do not take this as a knock at the IMCA, because it is not
intended that way, and I certainly do want to experience the old
shoot the messenger syndrome again.

How exactly does anyone guarantee authenticity in regards to meteorites?

Let's look at a typical example that happens on a daily basis in the
meteorite community :

If I am offered a specimen of Battle Mountain by a dealer.  How do I
really know that it is Battle Mountain and not one of hundreds of NWA
L6 look-a-likes?  Regardless of whether or not the seller is an IMCA
member, how can one guarantee authenticity of any specimen, unless
that particular specimen has been examined and analyzed by a reputable
scientist?

I do not know of any dealers who have every batch of material they
acquire tested at a lab. They use a combination of faith in their
sources and hand-examination to determine if the material should be
offered.  Sure, new unclassified material is analyzed to have it
classified and officially approved by Met Soc.  But what about NWA
869?  How many dealers have their NWA 869 analyzed prior to offering
it?  If it is untested, then how can one make any guarantees?

Best regards,

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On 11/23/14, Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list
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 Hello all!

 The IMCA has but one purpose, does it not? How can you possibly argue
 that???
   It's for collectors, dealers and sellerspretty basic mission,
 Authenticity .  Nothing wrong with that!
 And any kind of outreach by the IMCA very much appears to be a mistake
 in perception.
 The IMCA is not responsible for anything it's members do and probably
 should not take any credit for
 anything their individual members do as it implies responsibility.

 Like Gary said, it's up 

Re: [meteorite-list] Still Arguing About Pluto

[Robert Verish via Meteorite-list]

Pluto is a planet, and an infinite number of angels can dance on the head of a 
pin. 

Sorry for bringing up old debates,
Bob V. 


On Friday, October 3, 2014 10:30 AM, Sterling K. Webb via Meteorite-list 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote:




Larry,

And a dwarf star is still a small 
star (whatever that means). 

This Dwarf-Star-thing is probly why 
our planetary system Doan Get No 
Respect and the Aliens never visit 
us... except in certain regions of 
The Internet.

Sterling
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Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 9:45 AM
To: Sterling K. Webb
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Still Arguing About Pluto

And the Sun is a dwarf star, Sterling.

Larry
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 List,

 The argument about Pluto The Planet
 or Pluto The Small Body continues:
 http://www.travelerstoday.com/articles/12524/20141002/pluto-planet-aga
 in-sta tus-2014-still-undecided-astronomy-debate-ongoing.htm

 The Harvard-Smithsonian Center for
 Astrophysics said in a press release
 that a dwarf fruit tree is still a
 small fruit tree, and a dwarf hamster
 is still a small hamster. In order to convince others that Pluto is a 
 planet again, the center held a debate Sept. 18 to figure out the pros 
 and cons. They let the audience vote, and the audience agreed, 
 therefore for them 'Pluto IS a planet again.'

 Some quarrels never end...

 Sterling Webb

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[meteorite-list] Ice-rafted rocks on dry-lakes

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It's now official.  We can stop calling them sailing stones.  New video shows 
that playa rocks are being barged across the lakebed. 
Apparently, wind-driven, floating sheets of ice are dragging or pushing the 
rocks leaving their tracks in the wet lakebed sediment. 

Photos in the article show tracks of rocks that make tight turns and circle 
back into the direction from which they had come.  This shows that, 
in these cases, the rocks are locked into the ice-sheet.  
http://images.realclear.com/256104_5_.jpg 

Bob V.  

Information (and sources) forward for archival purposes: 

--- Forward Text ---
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 7:51:48 -0400 
From: Paul H. 
To: Rockhounds List 
Subject: [Rockhounds] ?Sailing Stones? of Death Valley Mystery Solved 

Mystery Solved: ?Sailing Stones? of Death Valley 
Seen in Action for the First Time (Thin sheets of 
ice push rocks across the desert when conditions 
are just right. 
Scripps Institution of Oceanography 
https://scripps.ucsd.edu/news/mystery-solved-sailing-stones-death-valley-seen-action-first-time?hash=3f42fa4a60340630b1fde436c4f177fe
 

Mystery Of Death Valley's 'Sailing Stones' Has 
Finally Been Solved by Ryan Grenoble
The Huffington Post, August 27, 2014 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/27/death-valley-sailing-stones-solved_n_5718827.html
 

Mystery solved: The sailing stones of Death Valley
by Michelle Starr, CNET, August 27, 2014 
http://www.cnet.com/news/mystery-solved-the-sailing-stones-of-death-valley/ 

Finally! Secret of Death Valley?s ?Sailing Stones? Is 
Solved by Carl Engelking, Discover Magazine, Aug. 27, 2014 
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/d-brief/2014/08/27/secret-behind-death-valleys-sailing-stones-revealed/
 

The paper is: Norris, J. D., J. M. Norris, R. D. Lorenz, J. Ray, and
B. Jackson, 2014, 
Sliding Rocks on Racetrack Playa, 
Death Valley National Park: 
First Observation of 
Rocks in Motion. PLOS ONE. 9(8): e105948. 
doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0105948 
http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0105948 

Yours, Paul H. 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Sculpture by Katie Paterson

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I still can't grasp the reason why the meteorite had to be melted.  
Would it have been any less artistic if, instead, the artist had melted 
leftover end-cuts/saw-cuttings/trimmings from other Campos and poured that into 
the mold?  
And if including these handiworks of humanity into the compressing and 
merging isn't what the artist had in mind, then I'm sure it's still a good 
idea, 
worthy of consideration by anyone with buckets of meteorite saw-cuttings and is 
still looking for an idea how to recycle this by-product.   


http://preview.tinyurl.com/k936s8w 
Bob V.

An artist is someone who produces things that people don't need to have but 
that she — for some reason — thinks it would be a good idea to give them. - 
Andy Warhol 

We all know that Art is not truth. Art is a lie that makes us realize truth, 
at least the truth that is given us to understand. The artist must know the 
manner whereby to convince others of the truthfulness of his lies. - - Pablo 
Picasso



On Thursday, July 31, 2014 12:46 PM, Michael Mulgrew via Meteorite-list 
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Melting a meteorite and reforming it is a little bit like compressing
and merging together these layers of time, history and space.
Eventually I would like to send the meteorite back into Space,

Replace compressing and merging with destroying and then you have
a valid statement.  Once melted and reformed, referring to it as a
meteorite is no
longer correct.

Michael in so. Cal.

On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 6:14 AM, Peter Davidson via Meteorite-list
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 Dear Listoids

 I make no claim to be an expert on contemporary art/artists, nevertheless I 
 have worked with a number of artists over the last few years in my role as a 
 mineral curator for the National Museums and this has allowed me to get a 
 glimpse of the way different artists devise, plan and execute their works. I 
 haven't had the pleasure of working with Katie, but I do know her and I have 
 met her and we have had some long discussions about meteorites and she does 
 feature meteorites and space in her work a lot. So I feel I ought to give my 
 angle on this as well as try and explain her work on the Campo using her own 
 words.

 The original concept was formulated in around 2010/11 and the finished cast 
 was exhibited in London in 2012. At about that time she gave an interview 
 and the following quote is lifted directly from the published article:

 ...The artist domesticates the cosmos' immensity: she gives the 
 unfathomable a human scale, putting it within our reach. The cast meteorite 
 will likely be placed on Exhibition Road (close to the Natural History 
 Museum) in a discrete place, where people can sit around it and be able to 
 touch it, she says. Most meteorites have been travelling around space for 
 over four and a half billion years. They are older than the Earth and are 
 the oldest objects on Earth. I like the idea of this vast cosmic history 
 embedded inside them. Melting a meteorite and reforming it is a little bit 
 like compressing and merging together these layers of time, history and 
 space. Eventually I would like to send the meteorite back into Space, though 
 that might not be for many years.

 Well the many years have now past and Katie has send the recast meteorite 
 into space.

 Hope this helps.

 Cheers

 Peter Davidson
 Senior Curator of Minerals

 National Museums Collection Centre
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[meteorite-list] Fossils Found in Impact Glass

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A short article, but it gave me much to chew-on.  But I still haven't 
swallowed:

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn25462#.U9gI1aZ0y70 

Instant fossils found trapped in asteroid impact glass

When asteroids strike Earth, it can mean death and destruction. But they can 
also be flashbulbs, capturing a freeze-frame record of life at the moment of 
impact. Peter Schultz of Brown University in Providence, Rhode Island, and his 
colleagues examined two asteroid impact sites in the Chasicó and Mar del Plata 
regions in La Pampa, Argentina. They found the first examples of biological 
material locked in the glass that is instantly formed in the blast. This 
animation of 3D electron microscope scans show plant fragments that were pulled 
out of the impact glass for detailed analysis. The material was preserved in 
incredible detail, including structures down to the cellular level. Similar 
impact glass fossils, protected for eons under a blanket of Martian dust, could 
retain a record of ancient life on the Red Planet. 

[All sales of asteroid impact glass are hereby ]
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[meteorite-list] Fw: Greg Hupe Nature's Vault, Inc. - Meteoritic Future Guaranteed!

[Robert Verish via Meteorite-list]

On Tuesday, July 8, 2014 4:00 PM, bolidecha...@yahoo.com 
bolidecha...@yahoo.com wrote:


Never in doubt in my mind. 


As ever,
Bob V.
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 


 From:  Greg Hupé via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; 
To:  meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; 
Cc:  i...@imcamail.de; 
Subject:  [meteorite-list] Greg Hupe  Nature's Vault,Inc. - Meteoritic 
Future Guaranteed! 
Sent:  Tue, Jul 8, 2014 8:02:07 PM 


Dear Meteorite Community,

In recent months my brother, Adam, has publicly commented several times that 
he has taken steps to take a break from meteoritics, including selling his 
equipment except for perhaps one saw.  I feel compelled to send this notice 
since many people mistake Adam for me and vice-versa even though I have been 
primarily working on my own for the last 10 years since I moved to Florida.

While my brother has announced his break... I, Greg Hupe, strive to provide 
the very best meteorites and customer service personally and through my 
company, Nature's Vault, Inc.  I am more engaged in all aspects of 
meteoritics than ever before and look forward to working far into the future 
to bring out more rare and exciting meteorites. I am here to stay and look 
forward to working with like-minded individuals.  I have many great friends 
in all aspects of meteoritics and related fields such as space science and 
travel.

The Hupe name and Nature's Vault will continue to be an integral part of 
meteoritics far into the future!

Best Regards,
Greg Hupe


Greg Hupé
The Hupé Collection
gmh...@centurylink.net
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www.LunarRock.com (Online Planetary Meteorite Site)
NaturesVault (Facebook, Pinterest  eBay)
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[meteorite-list] In memory of a good friend

[Robert Verish via Meteorite-list]

Can't believe that it is already 1 year gone by since I received the bad news 
about my friend and fellow meteorite-hunter, 

John P. Wolfe
http://www.imorial.com/JohnWolfe/ 


Gone too soon, but not too soon forgotten,
Bob V.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update - Steins (New Mexico)

[Robert Verish]

You're welcome, Bernd!  :-)

With best regards,
Bob V. 
P.S. - 
What
Bernd knows but others may not, is that I had to donate a thin-section 
and the type-specimen (taken from the main-mass) in order to get the 
ball rolling again, after it had come to a terminal stand-still in the 
approval process.  This goes to show that collectors have some influence
in these matters, and if willing to make a sacrifice, can make a 
difference.



On Wednesday, March 12, 2014 1:07 PM, Bernd V. Pauli bernd.pa...@paulinet.de 
wrote:

Well, glad to hear that Steins is now official...at long last ;-)
I got my three small slices* from Michael Cottingham in February
2008 - that's 6 years ago!

* 1.39 gr + 1.18 gr + 0.72 gr

The 1.39 gr part slice has a large, dark gray chondrule measuring 3 mm.
The 1.18 gr slice shows a hollow where a chondrule must have been sitting.
The 0.72 gr curved slice sports two porphyritic chondrules (d = ca. 1 mm
each) close to each other.

Best wishes,

Bernd


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Re: [meteorite-list] Ad: Ebay auctions Ending Soon - North American Meteorites

[Robert Verish]

Hello All, 


There has been some confusion generated - the result of poor terminology and 
semantics.
Hopefully, this image may help clear-up some of that misunderstanding:  


http://meteorite-recovery.tripod.com/2014/sbw/sbw-jason-comparison.jpg 


Regards,
Bob V. 

 bolide*chaser 


- 
To Meteoritecentral List  
Yesterday at 12:50 PM  
For those collectors with an interest in North American meteorites, 
I would like to bring your attention to some 3-day eBay offerings (ending 
soon):

http://www.ebay.com/sch/bolide*chaser/m.html?_nkw=_armrs=1_ipg=_from= 

Hope you enjoy the images,
Bob V.
 bolide*chaser 
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[meteorite-list] Ad: Ebay auctions Ending Soon - North American Meteorites

[Robert Verish]

For those collectors with an interest in North American meteorites, 
I would like to bring your attention to some 3-day eBay offerings (ending 
soon):


http://www.ebay.com/sch/bolide*chaser/m.html  

Hope you enjoy the images,
Bob V.
 bolide*chaser 

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Re: [meteorite-list] Ad: Ebay auctions Ending Soon - North American Meteorites

[Robert Verish]

Okay then, lets try this link: 

http://www.ebay.com/sch/bolide*chaser/m.html?_nkw=_armrs=1_ipg=_from= 

or this one: 

http://www.ebay.com/usr/bolide*chaser 

I apologize if the link in the earlier post failed to work.  
I tested it and it worked for me, but not for anyone else!? 

Bob V. 


 

 On Monday, February 10, 2014 12:50 PM, Robert Verish bolidecha...@yahoo.com 
 wrote:
  
 For those collectors with an interest in North American meteorites, 
 I would like to bring your attention to some 3-day eBay offerings 
 (ending soon):
 
 
 http://www.ebay.com/sch/bolide*chaser/m.html  
 
 Hope you enjoy the images,
 Bob V.
  bolide*chaser 
  
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[meteorite-list] Ad: Ebay Steal Alert - North American Meteorite

[Robert Verish]

For those collectors with an interest in North American meteorites, 
I would like to bring your attention to some eBay offerings (ending soon):

Norton County (AUB) - fall - Fusion-crusted Impact-melt BRECCIA 

http://tinyurl.com/NortonCo
Preview:
http://www.ebay.com/sch/bolide*chaser/m.html?item=221358568338rt=nc_trksid=p2047675.l2562
 


These specimens came directly out of the University of New Mexico - Institute 
of Meteoritics.  

If Carl Agee hadn't personally handed these stones to me, I would have just 
tossed these 

scoriaceous rocks into my slag meteor-wrong collection! (A real eye-opener - 
lesson-learned;-)

Just viewing the images of the light-colored fusion-crust will be well worth 
your time. 

Enjoy,
Bob V.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Ad: North American meteorite - San Bernardino Wash (L5)

[Robert Verish]

My apologies to all on the List,
I neglected to send my reply in plain text, so you don't have the benefit of 
knowing what Jason is replying to.  
Here is reprint of that missing post:  


On Thursday, January 23, 2014 12:48 AM, Robert Verish bolidecha...@yahoo.com 
wrote:

I started to write a reply but then I realized that I was just repeating what I 
wrote earlier. 
So, I'll just reprint it here: 

 But, to directly answer your question, I would have to refer you to my 
 latest Meteorite-Times article:
 http://meteorite-recovery.tripod.com/2014/jan14.htm
 for my description of how a cluster of obviously-paired fragments found at 
 SBW had such a variation in looks,
 that it prompted me to sample a number of them and to actually have two of 
 those fragments classified.
 For your convenience, I'll show them here:

 Pinto Mountains -- 
   (L6 S3 W1 Fa23.8+/-0.3% n=16; low-Ca pyroxene Fs20.3Wo1.5 n=17)-- 1955 stone
 San Bernardino Wash -- (L5 S2 W3 Fa24.6+/-0.6% (n=7) -- (UCLA type-specimen) 
 -- 2010 stone
 San Bernardino Wash -- (L5 S1 W3 Fa24.0+/-0.2% (n=24)                        
 -- 2012A fragment
 San Bernardino Wash -- (L5 S2 W1 Fa23.8+/-0.4% (n=14)                        
 -- 2012B fragment



'Nuff said. 

Bob V.




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Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Ad: North American meteorite - San Bernardino Wash (L5)

[Robert Verish]

 

Apparently, you’re not the only one confused.  I’ve been discussing this topic 
with some
other people and they find this confusing, as well, and all have the same 
question:    
Why did the NomCom give you 1 name, instead of numbering each of the stones 
that Bob Perkins, Gary Crabtree,
and Fred Mason found?  These were all recovered over a wide area inside the San 
Bernardino Wash.  

I’m not saying that you did anything wrong (in fact, in my article I praised 
your informative submission to the Meteoritical Bulletin),
and it is probably unfair to ask you a question about the NomCom and why they
didn’t require that a DCA be formed, but it certainly does beg the question:  
What is the evidence that the first 3 or 4 stones are actually paired, and why 
did the NomCom not follow those very policy guidelines that you quoted earlier? 
 

Why is it, now, incumbent upon me to submit a request to the NomCom for SBWash 
002 and for the formation of a DCA?  

Particularly, when they DO look similar.  I only agreed that they weathered 
differently.  
I still contend that all of my fragments (which come from a single, several 
meter-wide patch 
formed by a splatter-impact) DO LOOK LIKE all the other stones recovered from 
the San Bernardino Wash.  
Among all of these splatter-fragments there was only one that weathered 
differently and “looked fresher” (on the inside).  

If you look at today’s MPOD  you can see an image of a slice from that fresher 
looking fragment - 
http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpodmain.asp?DD=1/23/2014WYD= 

And if you look at the “rollover photo”, I contend that, if the interior of the 
slice depicted were to weather 
just a little bit more and be a uniform orange-brown color, it would look just 
like the interior of your specimen 
(assuming it is one of the Crabtree stones that was classified).  

Again, I’m not saying that either of us have done anything “wrong”.  In fact, I 
find very little, in principle
that we are in disagreement.  But I must admit to being curious how the NomCom 
would respond if I were to submit 
my two classifications.  

With best regards,
Bob V.


 On Thursday, January 23, 2014 2:45 AM, Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
  Hello Bob,
 I'm confused.  I addressed that.  You're saying that, because 
 they're
 L5's, they are paired, despite the fact that they look different?
 
 Over 1/10 meteorites found is L5.  Seriously.  Almost 5,000 approved
 meteorites are L5s, out of ~48,000 total approved meteorites.  If you
 find a meteorite and you keep looking, there's a ~1/10 chance that the
 next (new) meteorite you find will be an L5.
 
 The requirements are clear.  ...[A] single (collective) name may be
 given in cases where fragments fit together or similar-looking
 fragments are found within a few meters of each other.
 
 [S]imilar-looking fragments are found within a few meters of each 
 other.
 
 I don't really understand why you'd try to claim a pairing.  Could
 they be paired?  Maybe.  If you're arguing for the *possibility,* I
 won't argue with you.  There's a very small, but indisputable, chance.
 Seems illogical to hedge your bet on it since they look so different,
 though.
 
 Regards,
 Jason
 
 www.fallsandfinds.com
 
 
 On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 12:48 AM, Robert Verish bolidecha...@yahoo.com 
 wrote:
  I started to write a reply but then I realized that I was just repeating
  what I wrote earlier.
  So, I'll just reprint it here:
 
  But, to directly answer your question, I would have to refer you to my
  latest Meteorite-Times article:
  http://meteorite-recovery.tripod.com/2014/jan14.htm
  for my description of how a cluster of obviously-paired fragments found 
 at
  SBW had such a variation in looks,
  that it prompted me to sample a number of them and to actually have two 
 of
  those fragments classified.
  For your convenience, I'll show them here:
 
  Pinto Mountains --    (L6 S3 W1 Fa23.8+/-0.3% n=16; low-Ca pyroxene
  Fs20.3Wo1.5 n=17)-- 1955 stone
  San Bernardino Wash -- (L5 S2 W3 Fa24.6+/-0.6% (n=7) -- (UCLA
  type-specimen) -- 2010 stone
  San Bernardino Wash -- (L5 S1 W3 Fa24.0+/-0.2% (n=24)
  -- 2012A fragment
  San Bernardino Wash -- (L5 S2 W1 Fa23.8+/-0.4% (n=14)
  -- 2012B fragment
 
  'Nuff said.
  Bob V.
 
 
  On Wednesday, January 22, 2014 11:51 PM, Jason Utas 
 meteorite...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  Helo Bob, All,
 
 I agree, they definitely look different.
 
  'Nuff said.  You could assume microclimates, but I 
 wouldn't start
  putting forth a hypothesis like that without something substantial
  like argon data to tie the two stones together.  The Meteoritical
  Bulletin is clear on pairing:
 
  http://meteoriticalsociety.org/?page_id=59
 
  a) Level of scrutiny. Sequential names comprising a prefix and numeric
  suffix will be given to new meteorites without checking for possible
  pairings, although a single (collective) name may be given in cases
  where fragments fit together or similar-looking fragments are found
  within

[meteorite-list] Ad: North American meteorite - San Bernardino Wash (L5)

[Robert Verish]

For those collectors with an interest in North American meteorites, 
I would like to bring your attention to an eBay offering (ending soon) of a 
classified find from the California Mojave Desert: 
San Bernardino Wash (L5)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/221353605398 


This under-appreciated meteorite promises to become better-known now that 
additional field-work and research results are starting to appear on the 
Internet:

https://www.google.com/#q=San+Bernardino+Wash+L5+meteorite+strewn-field 

Although the study of this area is too early to determine the possible TKW of 
this meteorite, 
it certainly will not rival Gold Basin (L4/6), but it promises to be the next 
Trilby Wash. 
The specimens that I am offering are the remaining slices from the samples used 
to determine pairing. 
These two classifications confirmed their pairing to the SBW(L5) type-specimen 
held at UCLA. 
I will only be offering additional specimens for auction until the cost of this 
lab-work has been defrayed. 
But, as usual, I will continue to accept requests for samples by any interested 
researchers. 

Thank you for your interest,
Bob V.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Ad: North American meteorite - San Bernardino Wash (L5)

[Robert Verish]

Yes Jason, 
I agree, they definitely look different. 
But what has me puzzled is something that is not all that apparent in our 
images.  The exterior of our two stones.
Your stone has a very well-preserved exterior (even though your interior is a 
uniformly-colored W3), whereas, 
my exterior (which is not visible in the image) is gone, actually eroded. Yet 
somehow, my stone's interior 
is less weathered than your stone (my stone was classified as W1). 
I wonder, if the interior of my stone were to weather to a W3, just how much 
it would look like your stone?


But, to directly answer your question, I would have to refer you to my latest 
Meteorite-Times article:  
http://meteorite-recovery.tripod.com/2014/jan14.htm 
for my description of how a cluster of obviously-paired fragments found at SBW 
had such a variation in looks, 
that it prompted me to sample a number of them and to actually have two of 
those fragments classified. 
For your convenience, I'll show them here: 

Pinto Mountains --     (L6 S3 W1 Fa23.8+/-0.3% n=16; low-Ca pyroxene 
Fs20.3Wo1.5 n=17)-- 1955 stone
San Bernardino Wash -- (L5 S2 W3 Fa24.6+/-0.6% (n=7) -- (UCLA type-specimen) -- 
2010 stone
San Bernardino Wash -- (L5 S1 W3 Fa24.0+/-0.2% (n=24)    -- 
2012A fragment
San Bernardino Wash -- (L5 S2 W1 Fa23.8+/-0.4% (n=14)    -- 
2012B fragment 


This just might be a case of (very) micro-environments acting immediate to 
where each fragment is found, that is causing all of these differences.

I'm open to any and all other explanations, 
Bob V.   





On Monday, January 20, 2014 2:48 PM, Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com wrote:

Hello Bob, All,
Just home from a hunt, haven't had the opportunity to reply until now.
I don't have photos of the other stone/fragments, but I do have a few
photos of SBW#1 on hand:

http://meteoritegallery.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/DSCN7095.jpg

http://meteoritegallery.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/DSCN7101.jpg

http://meteoritegallery.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/comparison.jpg

Is there any evidence for pairing beyond equilibrated L?  As you can
see, that slice looks a bit different.
Regards,
Jason

www.fallsandfinds.com



On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Robert Verish bolidecha...@yahoo.com wrote:
 For those collectors with an interest in North American meteorites,
 I would like to bring your attention to an eBay offering (ending soon) of a 
 classified find from the California Mojave Desert:
 San Bernardino Wash (L5)
 http://www.ebay.com/itm/221353605398


 This under-appreciated meteorite promises to become better-known now that
 additional field-work and research results are starting to appear on the 
 Internet:

 https://www.google.com/#q=San+Bernardino+Wash+L5+meteorite+strewn-field

 Although the study of this area is too early to determine the possible TKW 
 of this meteorite,
 it certainly will not rival Gold Basin (L4/6), but it promises to be the 
 next Trilby Wash.
 The specimens that I am offering are the remaining slices from the samples 
 used to determine pairing.
 These two classifications confirmed their pairing to the SBW(L5) 
 type-specimen held at UCLA.
 I will only be offering additional specimens for auction until the cost of 
 this lab-work has been defrayed.
 But, as usual, I will continue to accept requests for samples by any 
 interested researchers.

 Thank you for your interest,
 Bob V.
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[meteorite-list] Global Shipping Program ?problems?

[Robert Verish]

Hello All, 

and particularly for all of you sellers on eBay, I have a question.  


Is there a known (or a perceived) problem with the eBay Global Shipping 
Program?  Should I avoid using it? 


I've received a request from a potential overseas bidder to revise my auctions 
and to not use eBay's Global Shipping Program.  

Here is the exact wording of the request:

Would you please consider not using the Global Shipping Program. You may not  
realise but this Program is a nightmare for Overseas buyers. $ out of 4  
auctions I won with this Program the sellers all cancelled auctions and  
relisted under normal shipping as for some reason it always charges  double for 
shipping and even charges sellers apparently. 


Is this a legitimate request, or should I be suspicious?
Bob V.
eBay seller: bolide*chaser 

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Re: [meteorite-list] grains of sand

[Robert Verish]

Hi Paul,

If what you're saying is true, then there are many many more meteors that we 
are not seeing (but would be visible to instruments more sensitive than are 
eyes, or to astronauts in Earth orbit that are closer to the action).  

I think that a grain of sand is large enough to ionize enough oxygen and 
nitrogen atoms to make the light phenomenon visible from the ground.  (In the 
few, lucky times that I observed an actual meteor through the eyepiece of a 
telescope, I noticed that they had a peculisr appearance.  I was struck by the 
two bands of diffuse light [probably ionized gas], one on each side of an 
extremely thin, bright line [the ablating meteor - IAU definiton].  These bands 
of light may have been a reflection off of thin clouds or high-altitude ice 
crystals, but in any case, it only adds to our ability to see a grain of sand 
meteor. 

I have the opposite opinion, as well, about a related matter.  I feel that we 
over-estimate the percentage of material that is ablated away during the 
fireball/meteor phase.  (Probably is too off-subject.)


I also feel that the too-often-used phrase nothing made it to the ground - it 
all burned-up is too ill-informed.  How is it physically possible for a 
cobble-pebble-sandgrain to continue traveling fast enough to completely ablate 
down to total nothingness?  It's my opinion that (depending on altitude) for 
all sizes of incoming debris (even at cosmic-velocity) there is a certain 
retardation-point where, once it is reached, ablation can no longer occur.  I 
would not be surprised if this minimum size is in the fine-pebble grain-size 
range, which is certainly still findable.  One way that this conjecture could 
be substantiated, is if there were actually a gap in the population of small 
meteorites between pebble and micro-spherule.  Has this already been recorded 
in Antarctica? 


Out the door and on my way to Imperial County,
Bob V.


On Thursday, November 7, 2013 6:12 AM, Paul Gessler cetu...@shaw.ca wrote:

Was wondering about the statement that shooting stars we see are no bigger 
than grains of sand???
I here it used all the time and haven't  really given it any thought. I 
don't buy it!
I don't think a grain of sand would be able to generate enough light to be 
visible from earth?
Has anyone actually measured these grains of sand? If so how was it done. 
Where did this (factoid)
originate and is there any validity to it?
I could see gravel sized debris producing what we see but not sand and 
smaller.

Any one care to comment?

Paul Gessler 

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Re: [meteorite-list] Southern California Meteorite Tektite Club Meeting Photos

[Robert Verish]

Hi Michael,
    Nice photos!  Thanks for taking the time to share them with us.
To answer your question about who was the person that took the Group Picture, 
that would be the one-and-only Richard Garcia, 
but everyone calls him Rubin.   Both Richard and Rubin are two of the nicest 
guys that you would ever want to meet, so 
fortunately there is no drop-off when their names get switched. 
But to save you a lot of trouble, the people's names that you are looking for, 
are called-out in my article (in this months Meteorite-Times)  
just under the Group Picture, which you can copy, if Richard gives you 
permission to use it.

We should hold another CMC Party right after the Tucson Show, and we can each 
do a show  tell about all the neat items 

that we got at the Show (or won at your Auction;-).   There should be a lot of 
people sticking around after Tucson, 

and hopefully they could make it to San Diego for the Party, as well.

Party hearty, 

Bob V.


 From: Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net
To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 8, 2013 6:58 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Southern California Meteorite  Tektite Club
Meeting Photos
 

Hi All,
        Thought some of you might get a kick out of seeing some photos I
took at August get together.
        Inspired by the Tektite Club originally formed by Paul Harris  Jim
Tobin lo these many years ago after they purchased the entire Futrell
Tektite collection, the Southern California Meteorite
 Tektite Club is now
hosted by Bob  Moni Verish. We have been meeting yearly, but Bob is
considering 
making it a twice a year gathering. Small and intimate, people
bring meteorites to share and enjoy, along 
with one another's company.
        This year Jason brought a humongus whole stone lunar (with a
window from the sample donated to the adentifying institution). Very
Cool to hold a piece of the moon that large.
  
    Here are some photos:

http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/SCMTClub2013.html

P.S: If the person who took the time delayed photo of EVERYONE
Were to allow me to post it, that would be a hoot - even better if
They knew everyone's name in the photo. If you are ok with that,
Please send JPG to me ASAP off list.

        Best to all,
        Michael


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Re: [meteorite-list] Rock Or Meteorite? Strange Object Crashes Through Roof Of Business

[Robert Verish]

Hi All,
Here is a resend of a post that I sent to the List on June 24th (but it never 
appeared in the Archives):  

--
Re: [meteorite-list] Rock Or Meteorite? Strange ObjectCrashesThrough 
Roof O... 

From
* Robert Verish   
To
* MEM   
* jimsk...@aol.com     
* photoph...@yahoo.com   
    
Hello All,

Just got notified by the Carnegie Museum in Pittsburgh that they've examined
the impactor and they have determined that it is composed of 
artificial materials.  That is all the information that I have at this
time.  For sure, the owner of the building (and their insurance 
company), as well as the museum are disappointed in this outcome.  
I wonder if the insurance company will require a report of vandalism be filed 
with the police and/or FAA? 

Bob V.

From: MEM mstrema...@yahoo.com
To: jimsk...@aol.com jimsk...@aol.com; photoph...@yahoo.com 
photoph...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 4:37 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rock Or Meteorite? Strange Object Crashes
Through Roof O...

Be it remembered that mesosiderites tend to be frequently 
slag-looking.  This is a hard call in that there are no signs of being
a fresh fall--that is, it looks to have weathered features.  
How-some-ever the hole looks like an impact hole--yet again it seems too
perfectly round and doesn't match the alleged meteorite.

Me thinks this could be a meteor-wrong prank.

Elton


 From: jimsk...@aol.com jimsk...@aol.com
To: photoph...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 7:26 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rock Or Meteorite? Strange Object Crashes 
Through Roof O...
 

Looks like someone put a window into it with a grinder. Looks to jagged to  
be a meteorite. My guess is that it's slag.

Jim K 

In a message dated 6/22/2013 5:12:31 A.M. Central Daylight  Time, 
photoph...@yahoo.com writes:
Hello Listers,

Came across this  link, not sure what to make of this, but I bet some of 
you on the list might  know whats in the images of this article.

:)

Shawn Alan
IMCA  1633
ebay  store
http://stores.ebay.com/imca1633ny?_rdc=1
http://meteoritefalls.com/

Article


MERCER,  Pa. (KDKA) — There is a mystery surrounding a strange-looking rock 
that came  crashing through the ceiling of a Mercer County business.
It happened  sometime late Thursday night or early Friday morning.
Employees of the  business discovered the shiny, sharp-looking object 
inside their warehouse  Friday morning.

Link:  
http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2013/06/21/rock-or-meteorite-strange-object-crashes-through-roof-of-local-business/
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Re: [meteorite-list] Rock Or Meteorite? Strange Object Crashes Through Roof Of Local Business

[Robert Verish]

Hi All,
Here is a resend of another post that I sent to the List earlier today (but 
it never appeared in the Archives):

Re: [meteorite-list] Rock Or Meteorite? Strange Object Crashes Through Roof Of 
Local Business 
From
* Robert Verish   
To
* James Beauchamp     
* Jodie Reynolds   
CC
* Meteorite Central   

Hello All, 

I'm ready to close the books on this Merciless Mercer Meteor-Wrong. 

The specimen in question was brought to the Mineralogy Department of the 
Carnegie Museum in Pittsburgh, PA.
According to the Department head-mineralogist:  
based upon a visual examination with only the aid of a microscope and a 
magnet (but with no analytical testing), he was still able to easily 
determine that this object was composed of a man-made metallic 
substance, based upon these observations:
1. It was not attracted to a magnet. 
2. It had evidence of mechanical abrasion and heat discoloration, as if it were 
trapped in some kind of machinery and heated through friction.  
3. It also had plenty of wood fibers adhered to the exterior when examined 
under the microscope.  
4. Most of the exterior was weathered but the freshly abraded areas were bright 
silver. 
5. It scratched with moderate difficulty with a teasing needle and had an 
inclusion of a slag-like material with air bubbles in it. 
Conclusion:
Probably a chunk of something from one of the mills 
that had been weathering outside until caught up in some kind of 
machinery. How it ended up going through a third story roof is anyone’s guess!

At least this Mercer Mystery was brought to a speedy resolution, unlike that 
Freehold Township Fiasco in New Jersey: 
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,272212,00.html

From San Diego reporting for Meteorite-Times, 
this is Bolide*Bob 

From: James Beauchamp falco...@sbcglobal.net
To: Jodie Reynolds spacero...@spaceballoon.org 
Cc: Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 5:22 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rock Or Meteorite? Strange Object Crashes Through 
Roof Of Local Business

Would be interesting what a metal analysis or eutectic etch showed.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 24, 2013, at 6:37, James Beauchamp falco...@sbcglobal.net wrote:


This looks like a broken chunk off of construction equipment or an 
industrial crusher tooth.  Pretty common, actually.  When these things 
break, there is a lot of energy involved. The teeth get smashed and 
gnarled, and get flung at high velocities.   You can see the shear point
on smeared metal pattern.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jun 22, 2013, at 5:14, Jodie Reynolds spacero...@spaceballoon.org wrote:
 
 Aha, this link should
work:
 
 http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2013/06/21/rock-or-meteorite-strange-object-crashes-through-roof-of-local-business/
 
 
 
 Saturday, June 22, 2013, 3:06:02 AM, you wrote:
 
 Hello Listers,
 
 Came across this link, not sure what to make of this, but I bet
 some of you on the list might know whats in the images of this article.
 
 :)
 
 Shawn Alan
 IMCA 1633
 ebay store
 http://stores.ebay.com/imca1633ny?_rdc=1
 http://meteoritefalls.com/
 
 Article
 
 
 MERCER, Pa. (KDKA) — There is a mystery surrounding a
 strange-looking rock that came crashing through the ceiling of a Mercer 
 County business.
 It happened sometime late Thursday night or early Friday morning.
 Employees of the business discovered the shiny, sharp-looking
 object inside their warehouse Friday morning.
 
 Link:
 http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2013/06/21/rock-or-meteorite-strange-object-crashes-through-roof-of-local-business/
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Re: [meteorite-list] PRIMM DRY LAKE HELP

[Robert Verish]

Hello Paul and List, 

In an effort to assist you (and your father, Nicholas) in this endeavor, I've 
made a plaster-cast of a corner-fragment meteorite that Moni Waiblinger found 
on Roach Dry Lake, and have mailed it to your father. Nick will then forward it 
to you, if he can't get it to fit onto any of the Primm (H5) masses that he has 
in storage. 

This has all been documented and photos can be seen in my 2013 May - 
Meteorite-Times Magazine article:

http://www.meteorite-times.com/category/bobs-findings/ 

At some later date, I will send to you a table that lists the 102 
provisionally-numbered Roach Dry Lake finds that have been reported to us 
(mostly compiled by Rob Matson). This will answer your question about 
additional finds, because it will list the mass, date of find, and finder.  

Hope this will be helpful.  If it is, I will report back here, as well as, in 
Part 2 of my M-T article.  
-- Bob V. 


-Original Message- From: Paul Gessler
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2013 11:47 AM
To: meteorite-list 

Subject: PRIMM DRY LAKE HELP

To all You hunters who have searched Primm Valley / Roach Dry lake:

Please help me to rebuild one of my favourite meteorite finds. 
This 242g individual was found back in 1997
and was reconstructed from 3 pieces and glued back together. 
It is still missing a small 8 gram wedge shaped piece that 
hopefully can be reunited with the main mass??? 
Just want all of you who have hunted Roach D.L. 
to take a look at this video and see if just
maybe you have the piece I am looking for.
It would be Incredible to COMPLETE this meteorite's saga. 
If found I would be happy to substitute for a
larger Primm piece from our collection... 
and some detailed info on a Nevada strewn field that has 
yielded some really Amazing finds. 
Let me know. thanks.

Would also be interested in the locations and mass of 
additional finds regardless of matching my piece so 
that I can get an idea of what we missed. 
I want this attempt at unification to get out to everyone 
so please forward the video to anyone you know
who has searched this location or is even slightly interested.

This just might work? I hope.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PW54tdOXWiE

Paul Gessler 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Article: Discovery of probably Tunguska meteorites at the bottom of Khushmo river's shoal

[Robert Verish]

http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1304/1304.8070.pdf

Discovery of probably 
Tunguska meteorites at the bottom of Khushmo river's shoal
Andrei E. Zlobin
Vernadsky State Geological Museum, Russian Academy of Sciences
Mokhovaya 11/11, 125009, Moscow, Russian Federation
e-mail: z-tungu...@yandex.ru 

I am stunned.  
From the Vernadsky State Geological Museum, Russian Academy of Sciences!!
The shatter-cones appear to be aragonite crystals.
The samples are all m-wrongs.  
This paper would never pass the peer-review of Club-Space-Rock, 
how did it get past the Cornell University Library? 
http://arxiv.org/help/endorsement
How did this ever get published? 

This paper should be re-titled:  
How to get Shatter-cones without forming a Crater

Maybe in Russia, April Fool's Day comes on April 29th?

The following is a copy and paste from the above paper:
Acknowledgments:
I very thankful to administration and my colleagues
in Vernadsky State Geological Museum (RAS) on possibility to work with 
information concerning L.A.Kulik’s 
activity and to analyze meteorites of the Museum. 

And then the audience arose from their seats and delivered a thunderous 
applause...

Can I sit-down now?
Bob V.

--- On Thu, 5/2/13, Matthew Martin mmar...@meteoritetreasures.com wrote:

 From: Matthew Martin mmar...@meteoritetreasures.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Article: Discovery of probably Tunguska meteorites 
 at the bottom of Khushmo river's shoal
 To: MeteorList meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Thursday, May 2, 2013, 11:53 AM 
 Aloha Everyone,
 
 A newly published (4/29/13) article on Tunguska in PDF
 format is available for free download from the Cornell
 University Library.  I can't say I agree with calling
 it the discovery of meteorites--I think impact glass
 would be a better description, but it's an interesting read
 nonetheless.  Shatter cones are also discussed.
 
 The link below will take you to a Cornell University Library
 page with a one paragraph abstract of the article.  To
 download the entire paper, click the download PDF Only
 link on the upper right of the web page.
 
 http://arxiv.org/abs/1304.8070
  
 Aloha,
 Matthew
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Novato update

[Robert Verish]

Thanks Rob, 
for clearing the air and getting this thread back on track. 
And now that the dust has settled, we're back to my original concern:  

Why do we have to wait for just the name to be approved?

Here is the question I am posing to the List, stated another way: 

If everyone is in agreement with the Jenniskins arrangement, then why can't the 
Committee credit UCLA  for the type specimen and move forward with approving at 
least the name Novato (if need be, at least provisionally)?  I mean, what is 
the difference whether the type specimen goes first to UCLA, then goes to NASA, 
or vice-versa?  I mean, for goodness sake, it's NASA we're talking about here.

Why do we have to wait for the results from the consortium before we know the 
approved name of this meteorite?
I mean, we didn't even have a consensus classification for Sutter's Mill, but 
that name still got approved!  We didn't have to wait for the results of the 
consortium, then.  Why now?

But before I conclude, allow me to state several things 
FOR THE RECORD:

Contrary to any unfounded assertions that may get printed on this List, there 
is no problem getting type-specimens from finders to researchers: 

There were 8 Sutter's Mill finds donated from finders  property owners. 
The name Sutter's Mill was approved BEFORE a classification could be agreed 
upon and long before the consortium published their results. 

There were 2 Battle Mountain specimens voluntarily donated by finders to 
researchers.  The name Battle Mountain was approved 30 days after the fall.  
What delay? 

Other US falls with no problems getting type-specimens: 
Mifflin, Lorton, Whetstone Mtns, Ash Creek - no delays in name approval. 

Finders of the Novato meteorite were making arrangements to submit type 
specimens to researchers, prior to Jenniskins announcement to the Press that he 
was submitting the Webber stone as a type specimen.  Days after his 
announcement is when I finally made my Novato find, and at that time I never 
dreamt we would be having this discussion in 2013.  If it becomes necessary, I 
am prepared (as are other finders) to submit a type specimen to UCLA. But not 
until we all have been given a proper explanation. 

-- Bob V.


--- On Mon, 4/29/13, Matson, Robert D. robert.d.mat...@saic.com wrote:

 From: Matson, Robert D. robert.d.mat...@saic.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Novato update
 To: Pat Brown scientificlifest...@hotmail.com, Jim Wooddell 
 jim.woodd...@suddenlink.net, Met List 
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Monday, April 29, 2013, 8:51 PM 
 
 Hi All,
 
 I've been informed by one of the Novato finders that this is
 a non-issue. 
 Dr. Jenniskens has long-since pledged to donate more
 than adequate Novato type specimen to UCLA for it to be
 approved by the Nomenclature Committee. That it hasn't happened
 already is simply because Dr. Jenniskens wished to ensure that all
 academic requests for meteoritical material were handled promptly. 
 29 grams
 of the first recovered stone were generously donated by Lisa
 Webber to SETI for scientific analysis; of that, whatever is not
 consumed
 in destructive analyses has been promised to UCLA. 
 So there is no cause for alarm; people just need to be patient. 
 --Rob
 

On Apr 30, 2013, at 4:32 AM, Robert Verish bolidecha...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Actually, it's still the Novato (provisional) meteorite. 
 It still is not in the Meteoritical Bulletin.

 This is the slice that Brien Cook originally cut with the intention of 
 submitting it to UCLA.  But when he read that someone else was going to 
 supply the type-specimen, he then placed it on eBay. 

 It would be nice if some Institute or consortium would make an offer and try 
 to repatriate this slice and make it a type-specimen so that this US-fall 
 could finally be made official.   All I'm saying is, this leaving an 
 official-status hanging-in-mid-air would never happen in Canada. They would 
 just simply buy the type-specimen.

 It's time for the US to catch-up with Canada.  It's time for a change.
 Bob V.


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Re: [meteorite-list] Novato update (All recent falls unapproved, not just Novato)

[Robert Verish]

Very good post, Michael.

And thanks for making my point - if Novato is already classified (L6 br), you 
would like to update your database and fill out labels with an officially 
approved name.  How long of a delay and why is there a delay? 

-- Bob V.
http://www.mail-archive.com/meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com/msg108950.html


--- On Tue, 4/30/13, Galactic Stone  Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: Galactic Stone  Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Novato update (All recent falls unapproved, not 
 just Novato)
 To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Tuesday, April 30, 2013, 2:51 PM 
 
 Hi List,
 
 I wasn't pointing fingers or trying to refer specifically to
 Novato.
 I may have come off that way, I am afraid.  I meant in
 general with
 all falls, and this recent mention of Novato jogged my
 memory about
 the recent spate of unapproved falls.  I had meant to
 post to the List
 a couple of weeks ago about this same issue, but I got
 side-tracked
 and forgot.  The Novato discussion reminded me. 
 I'll post something
 to the List to that effect.
 
 My main goal is the same as most - to see Novato
 classified.
 Regardless of who found what or who has what specimen, I'd
 just like
 to see it in the Met Bull and in MAPS journals.  That
 won't happen
 until the kink in the hose is worked out, so to speak. 
 As was pointed
 out - look how quickly Battle Mountain got
 approved.   Novato fell
 over a densely populated urban area, Battle Mountain fell
 over
 underpopulated BLM land.  Both are OC's.  Why so
 quick with one and
 not the other?  Same with that Alabama fall (Addison?)
 - another
 stoppage in the pipeline somewhere.
 
 We need to encourage people to come forward and get finds
 classified,
 and not make it more difficult.  If we publicly nitpick
 and clobber
 people for not handling the classification properly, then it
 will make
 others reluctant to come forward.  We should be
 positive and say -
 look, who cares why it took so long for this particular
 fall, let's
 just be happy it is getting done now.  Everybody still
 wins.
 
 Some of us collectors are the nitpickers.  I want
 something official
 to put on my labels for my falls collection.  I have no
 dog in this
 fight other than science.
 
 Best regards and happy huntings for all,
 
 MikeG
 
 
 
 
  --- On Tue, 4/30/13, Galactic Stone  Ironworks
 meteoritem...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  From: Galactic Stone  Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Novato update
  To: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com
  Cc: Alan Rubin aeru...@ucla.edu,
 Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral
  meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com,
 Matson, Robert D.
  robert.d.mat...@saic.com,
 Robert Verish bolidecha...@yahoo.com
  Date: Tuesday, April 30, 2013, 12:24 PM
 
  Agreed, somebody needs to cough up a
  piece to consolidate the type
  specimen and satisfy the requirements for
 publication in the
  Met Bulletin.  That is how it should be. 
 Until such a
  specimen is analyzed, submitted, and approved,
  it is not a meteorite, it is a rock
  that is suspected to be a meteorite.  Giving
 it any
  unofficial name
  does not make it a meteorite, unless that name is
 approved
  by NonCom.
 
  Everybody wins when the specimen is classified and
 approved
  via an
  open, transparent, and official manner.
 
  There are too many falls that are not approved
 yet.
  Going back to the
  year 2000, there are seventeen (17) falls that are
 not
  officially
  approved yet.  They come from all corners of
 the world
  and some are
  very well documented, but have not been approved
 for various
  reasons.
  For example, someone earlier mentioned that Canada
 does not
  drag it's
  feet on classifications and would simply buy the
 type
  specimen.  Well,
  there is the Montney fall from 2005 that is lost
 somewhere
  in the
  system.  Canada is usually pretty quick, but
 why hasn't
  Montney been
  approved?  Is there doubt about the fall in
 some way,
  or is it a
  problem similar to Novato where it is a bonafide
 fall but
  has not been
  approved for logistical reasons?
 
  Collectors and probably some scientists are eager
 for a few
  recent
  falls to become approved.  Until these
 meteorites are
  approved, they
  cannot be published in most peer-reviewed
 journals.
  And until they
  are approved, there will always be an element of
 reluctance
  on the
  behalf of some collectors.
 
  Zunhua?  No doubt there.  Penetrated a
 house and
  was documented
  thoroughly.  Why hasn't this one been
 classified
  yet?  What are the
  Chinese waiting on?  Nobody else outside China
 will
  submit it for
  classification because it is a scientific courtesy,
 so will
  it remain
  in limbo forever because  ?
 
  Katol?  It's distinctive and on the market.
  Again, there is no doubt
  that it is a fall.  Let's hope GSI submits it
 so it can
  be published.
  Collectors want to know.  It may be a
 meteorite

Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Novato back in the market

[Robert Verish]

Actually, it's still the Novato (provisional) meteorite.  
It still is not in the Meteoritical Bulletin.

This is the slice that Brien Cook originally cut with the intention of 
submitting it to UCLA.  But when he read that someone else was going to supply 
the type-specimen, he then placed it on eBay.  

It would be nice if some Institute or consortium would make an offer and try to 
repatriate this slice and make it a type-specimen so that this US-fall could 
finally be made official.   All I'm saying is, this leaving an 
official-status hanging-in-mid-air would never happen in Canada. They would 
just simply buy the type-specimen.

It's time for the US to catch-up with Canada.  It's time for a change.
Bob V.

--- On Mon, 4/29/13, Matija Bericic matija.beri...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: Matija Bericic matija.beri...@yahoo.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Novato back in the market
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Monday, April 29, 2013, 10:48 AM 
 
 Hi list,
 We have finished researching Novato meteorite and we do not
 need it anymore. 6.6 g  slice was bought on ebay auction on
 27th of October 2012 from hunter Brien Cook. 
 Anyone interested in this rare piece make me an offer off list.
 Best regards,
 Matija Bericic
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Re: [meteorite-list] Franconia AREA (was, Re: ...terminology...)

[Robert Verish]

In my original post I neglected to add a link to the Hutson paper.
Here is the link to the News page from the Met. Bull. Database:

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/MetBullNews.php?id=1

On that MetBull webpage is a link to the Melinda Hutson paper:

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10./maps.12062/abstract

It was my hope that my post would draw some interest and get more people to 
read this recent MPS article. (2013 March, Vol.48 No.3 pg.365)

The thrust of my (partial) review was that many long-held assumptions about the 
Franconia area have been overturned by this paper.  Actually, a better phrase 
would be, many sacred-cows have been slaughtered. 
My post was a plea that if you were going to put in print some observation 
about the Franconia Area, you had better read this paper first.

I am in agreement with what is at the heart of Erik's post, so I don't want his 
point missed because of a technicality with his reference to the Gold Basin 
Fall.  I consider myself as a student of that strewn-field and, although there 
are many different meteorites found in the Gold Basin AREA, nowhere in the 
literature has anything other than L4-6 Fa:24±1 been attributed to the Gold 
Basin fall. 

Prior to reading this recent paper, I was in complete agreement with Larry 
about the relative terrestrial age of the L-chondrites, particularly the 
fresh-appearing BM002  BM003 stones. But that was just another cow-shaped 
assumption. Terrestrial age-dating for 10 stones from the Franconia Area were 
presented in this paper, and aside from the lone H6 stone (BM001) all of the 
L-chondrites dated older than the H-falls. 
Here is the relative order of falls:

1. BM 001 ~20kyr ago 
2. BM 003 ~11kyr ago 
3. Palo Verde Mine ~10kyr ago
4. BM 004 ~ 8kyr ago 
5. BM 005 ~ 7kyr ago 
6. BMW 4.0±0.7kyr ago 
7. Franconia fell recently 

Looking forward to hearing from others who have read this article. 

Have a good night,
Bob V.

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--- On Sun, 4/28/13, Mark mina...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: Mark mina...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Franconia AREA (was, Re: ...terminology...)
 To: Larry Atkins thetop...@aol.com
 Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Sunday, April 28, 2013, 5:15 PM 
 
 I agree with Eric too, 
 but not for the different dates that Larry refers to 
 (which is mentioned in the same article). 
 After seeing many diverse rock types in a same small rock mass, 
 I've always felt it's too simplistic to say 
 different class. = different fall.
 
 I would go with the dating in this specific case that
 indicates different fall events though.
 
 Sent from my iPod Touch
 
 
 On Apr 28, 2013, at 4:44 PM, Larry Atkins thetop...@aol.com
 wrote:
 
  Eric,
  
  Though I'm not in total agreement with you, 
  that is a good point.
  What it comes down to is terrestrial age. 
  That would settle it. 
  For instance, the L chondrites at Franconia are
  quite obviously from a more recent event, 
  I'm certain they are not related.,  
  they are distinctly different in hand
  and look fresher, and far rarer..
  
  Almahitta - Sita, among others, says they are not
 always homogeneous. You make good points
  
  Sincerely,
  Larry Atkins
   
  IMCA # 1941
  Ebay alienrockfarm
   
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Erik Fisler phxe...@yahoo.com
  To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
  Sent: Sun, Apr 28, 2013 7:11 pm
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Franconia AREA (was, Re:
 ...terminology...)
  
  
  You mean all those H3-5's are paired?!? Lord.
  
  I think people forget that there are LL's, L's and H's
  found from the Gold Basin fall. 
  To say that a mass from a parent body large
  enough to have a strewn field
  of this size and TKW should be one homogeneous
  petro.-type is silly.
  This business of trying to classify every stone as a
  different fall for what
  ever selfish or perverse reason along with having a
  personal attachment to the
  outcome of the over all conclusion is ridiculous and
  completely against the
  scientific method.
  
  How many of those Y[ucca]DCA or what ever H3-5's have been
  found outside the mapped strewn field? And how far?
  
  -Erik Fisler
  
  Sent from my iPhone
  
  On Apr 26, 2013, at 11:02 PM, Robert Verish bolidecha...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
  
  Hi All,
  Just read another article in the 2013 March edition
 of MPS,
  Stones from Mohave County, Arizona:
  Multiple falls in the 'Franconia strewn field' 
  by Melinda Hutson, et al.
  
  There is much to digest from this 5-author paper
  that is 25 pages long.
  What with 14 stones being studied and 7 pairings to
  be described, there is a lot to chew on.
  
  Here's something to chew on.  According to this paper,
  Much unclassified
  material that has been distributed [sold] as
  'Franconia' may not be from the Franconia fall. 
  The authors make a case that 
  more than half

[meteorite-list] Franconia AREA (was, Re: ...terminology...)

[Robert Verish]

Hi All,
Just read another article in the 2013 March edition of MPS,
Stones from Mohave County, Arizona: 
Multiple falls in the 'Franconia strewn field'  
by Melinda Hutson, et al. 

There is much to digest from this 5-author paper that is 25 pages long. 
What with 14 stones being studied and 7 pairings to be described, there is a 
lot to chew on.  

Here's something to chew on.  According to this paper, Much unclassified 
material that has been distributed [sold] as 'Franconia' may not be from the 
Franconia fall.  The authors make a case that more than half of the finds made 
in the Franconia area are paired to the Buck Mountain Wash fall. 

It has taken 10 years, but these findings show that I was justified in my 
belly-aching about all of the self-pairing that was occurring back then.   It 
was on this very List that I was strongly criticized for this, and many dealers 
that thought they knew better defended their God-given right to name their 
stones after the Franconia meteorite that I got classified.  A closer look at 
the MetBull images for Franconia shows that very few of them are from the 
Franconia fall. I offer no apologies for taking great satisfaction in the fact 
that I am now vindicated.

The paper goes on to show that every Sacramento Wash numbered meteorite is 
paired to Buck Mountain Wash, which effectively has resulted in the demise of 
the SaW DCA and hastened the formation of the Yucca DCA. 

As I said, if you read this paper, there's a lot more to digest.
It's late and I'm thinking about chewing on an antacid pill.

-- Bob V.

--- On Thu, 4/25/13, Jim Wooddell jimwoodd...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: Jim Wooddell jimwoodd...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk - IMB or SMB? The nomenclature of 
 Melts.
 To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Thursday, April 25, 2013, 5:29 PM
  Hi All!
 Just a point of information.  I just read Dr. Rubin's paper, 
 Multiple melting in a four-layered barred-olivine chondrule with
 compositionally heterogeneous glass from LL3.0 Semarkona
 Whew!  That's a title for a paper!
 While we are on the subject of melts, I thought I'd point-out 
 this paper.  
 Enjoyed reading it the first timeactually understood some
 of it and will read it once again after thinking about it
 for a while.
  You folks might enjoy reading it when you get a chance!
 Thanks Alan!!
 
 Jim Wooddell
 
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Cassini Observes Meteors Colliding With Saturn's Rings

[Robert Verish]

Actually, Chris,
the IAU has already formalized that definition of meteor.  
It did so back in 1961.
I've explained what I mean by all of this in my article: 

http://meteorite-recovery.tripod.com/2008/mar08.htm 

Apparently, a well-respected astronomer wrote a popular book soon after the 
1961 General Assembly met and the XI Committee of the IAU formalized the 
definitions of meteoroid, meteor, and meteorite.  The author defined those same 
terms in his book, stating that the definitions came from the IAU, except that 
he clearly changed the definition of meteor.  

Apparently, this author departed from the IAU definition of meteoroid, 
including it as the object which produces the light display (meteor). Whereas, 
the IAU definition of meteoroid is that it orbits the Sun, and that when this 
same body enters the influence of the Earth (it is no longer orbiting the Sun) 
that object is now termed a meteor. 

So, in recap, IAU definitions:  Meteoroid to Meteor to Meteorite 
but the author's misdefinition: Meteoroid to Meteorite 

From that point forward to the present, the wrong definition has been 
perpetuated.  

--Bob V.

--- On Thu, 4/25/13, Chris Peterson c...@alumni.caltech.edu wrote:

 From: Chris Peterson c...@alumni.caltech.edu
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Cassini Observes Meteors Colliding With 
 Saturn's Rings
 To: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Thursday, April 25, 2013, 2:04 PM 
 
 I'd agree that a meteor can't collide with Saturn's rings, but 
 it would be correct usage to say a
 meteor collided with an airplane, a bird, or maybe even the
 ground were it still hypersonic and ablating, since at that
 stage both the visual effect and the body itself are
 typically called a meteor (something the IAU is
 considering formalizing last I heard). 
 
 Chris 
 
 
 Chris L Peterson
 Cloudbait Observatory 
 http://www.cloudbait.com
 
 Michael Mulgrew mikest...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 A meteor can't collide with anything!
 
 Michael in so. Cal.
 
 On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Ron Baalke baa...@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov
 wrote:
 
 
 
  April 25, 2013
 
  Dwayne Brown
  Headquarters, Washington
  202-358-1726
  dwayne.c.br...@nasa.gov
 
  Jia-Rui C. Cook
  Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.
  818-354-0850
  jcc...@jpl.nasa.gov
 
  RELEASE: 13-120
 
  NASA PROBE OBSERVES METEORS COLLIDING WITH SATURN'S
 RINGS
 
  WASHINGTON -- NASA's Cassini spacecraft has
 provided the first direct
  evidence of small meteoroids breaking into streams
 of rubble and
  crashing into Saturn's rings.
 
  These observations make Saturn's rings the only
 location besides
  Earth, the moon, and Jupiter where scientists and
 amateur astronomers
  have been able to observe impacts as they occur.
 Studying the impact
  rate of meteoroids from outside the Saturn system
 helps scientists
  understand how different planet systems in the
 solar system formed.
 
  Our solar system is full of small, speeding
 objects. Planetary bodies
  frequently are pummeled by them. The meteoroids at
 Saturn range from
  about one-half inch to several yards (1 centimeter
 to several meters)
  in size. It took scientists years to distinguish
 tracks left by nine
  meteoroids in 2005, 2009 and 2012.
 
  Details of the observations appear in a paper in
 the Thursday edition
  of Science.
 
  Results from Cassini already have shown Saturn's
 rings act as very
  effective detectors of many kinds of surrounding
 phenomena, including
  the interior structure of the planet and the orbits
 of its moons. For
  example, a subtle but extensive corrugation that
 ripples 12,000 miles
  (19,000 kilometers) across the innermost rings
 tells of a very large
  meteoroid impact in 1983.
 
  These new results imply the current-day impact
 rates for small
  particles at Saturn are about the same as those at
 Earth-- two very
  different neighborhoods in our solar system, and
 this is exciting to
  see, said Linda Spilker, Cassini project scientist
 at NASA's Jet
  Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) in Pasadena, Calif. It
 took Saturn's
  rings acting like a giant meteoroid detector -- 100
 times the surface
  area of the Earth -- and Cassini's long-term tour
 of the Saturn
  system to address this question.
 
  The Saturnian equinox in summer 2009 was an
 especially good time to
  see the debris left by meteoroid impacts. The very
 shallow sun angle
  on the rings caused the clouds of debris to look
 bright against the
  darkened rings in pictures from Cassini's imaging
 science subsystem.
 
  We knew these little impacts were constantly
 occurring, but we didn't
  know how big or how frequent they might be, and we
 didn't necessarily
  expect them to take the form of spectacular
 shearing clouds, said
  Matt Tiscareno, lead author of the paper and a
 Cassini participating
  scientist at Cornell University in Ithaca, N.Y.
 The sunlight shining
  edge-on to the rings at the Saturnian equinox acted
 

Re: [meteorite-list] Third set of Human remains found in the Casa Grande?Stanfield Strewn Field

[Robert Verish]

I sure hope there are no more bodies found, as well, Sonny.  
Although there has been no forensic evidence found, so far, that suggests 
foul-play, which leaves weather-related causes as the usual suspects, there 
have been reports from the field of attempted theft of vehicles and/or theft of 
items in those vehicles (in broad daylight). 
So, unfortunately, the warning is still be careful out there!

Also, have there been any actual finds made in Casa Grande, or have they all 
been made in the Stanfield area?

Bob V. 

--- On Thu, 4/11/13, wahlpe...@aol.com wahlpe...@aol.com wrote:

 From: wahlpe...@aol.com wahlpe...@aol.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Third set of Human remains found in the Casa Grande 
 Strewn Field
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Thursday, April 11, 2013, 7:33 PM
 Hi List, 
 
 
 I just finished reading a link to a story that is an
 unfortunate reality in the Casa Grande area strewn field. To
 my knowledge this is the third body discovered. I came
 across one, another man I met in the field found one and now
 this one. I sure hope there are not anymore. 
 
 http://www.azfamily.com/news/Meteorite-hunters-find-human-remains-in-desert-along-I-8-202586231.html
 
 
 Sonny
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Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update - Yucca DCA

[Robert Verish]

MikeG,
Thanks for the heads-up about this latest update. 

Haven't seen anything mentioned, yet, so I'd like to give a tip-of-the-hat to a 
local meteorite-hunter, Jim Wooddell (and his wife Wendy), for getting 2 of his 
finds into the MetBull:
Yucca 016 and Yucca 017

Not only has Jim's finds extended a well-searched stewn-field, but he has been 
working hard at recording the recovery data for over 1000 Franconia Area finds. 
 Although he won't take the credit, it's my opinion that his efforts greatly 
influenced the unification of the DCAs (Dense Collection Areas) in the 
Franconia Area.  This has resulted in a new DCA: Yucca.

In any case, history was made today in Arizona.

And congrats to Jim Wooddell.

Bob V.

--- On Sat, 3/9/13, Galactic Stone  Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: Galactic Stone  Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update - New Dense Collection Area, 
 and NWA Nakhlite
 To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Saturday, March 9, 2013, 9:48 AM 
 
 Hi Bulletin Watchers,
 
 A new dense collection area has been approved - Yucca.
 
 See the details here - http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/MetBullNews.php?id=1
 
 The new approvals are 2 NWA's (one Nakhlite) and 2 OC's from
 the Yucca
 dense collection area.
 
 Link - 
 http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?sea=sfor=namesants=falls=valids=stype=containslrec=50map=gebrowse=country=Allsrt=namecateg=Allmblist=Allrect=phot=snew=2pnt=Normal%20tabledr=page=0
 
 Best regards and happy huntings,
 
 MikeG
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] [met-list] Fwd: sharp protrusion from an iron meteorite

[Robert Verish]

Except that I can't remember if we identified the protrusion. 

Long ago I remember someone suggesting that it might be a mineral inclusion 
that is differentially resistant to weathering, like silicates, or carbides, 
like the cohenite in this image:
http://www.mindat.org/photo-8081.html 

But then the ID of the iron meteorite, itself, was brought into question.
In recap, here is what we know:  
Baygorria and Uruaçu are actual iron meteorites that are 
compositionally similar to Campo del Cielo, but are not at all similar 
structurally. 
Uruaçu is a schreibersite-cohenite-rich IAB that is older than Campo. 
Uruaçu was found in Brazil; is unrelated to Baygorria (Uruguay) or Campo. 

Baygorria was found as a single mass (80 kg) that was cut into slices and the 
largest remaining mass (40kg) was donated to a university. Individual 
meteorites sold as 'Baygorria' are nothing more than Campo del Cielo from 
Argentina.
These bogus whole irons need to be relabeled as Campo del Cielo.  
Even 'Baygorria' slices are suspect Campo unless it can be proven that 
provenance originated from the university or from Mr. J. Escomel, Roque Gra 
Seras 914, Montevideo 11300, Uruguay.  
Anything less would be considered self-pairing which we now know is a 
slippery-slope. 

Just my way of throwing dirt on the grave of the dead horse.
Bob V.


--- On Fri, 3/8/13, Art Jones art.jo...@iscs.com wrote:

 From: Art Jones art.jo...@iscs.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd:  sharp protrusion from an iron meteorite
 To: Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com, Meteorite-list 
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, altm...@meteorite-martin.de 
 altm...@meteorite-martin.de
 Date: Friday, March 8, 2013, 1:34 PM
 Guys,
 
 I think the horse is way past dead on this one, let's end
 the thread.
 
 Thanks, Art
 
 
++
   - Original Message -
   From: Randy Korotev koro...@wustl.edu
   To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
   Cc:
   Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 2:41 PM
   Subject: [meteorite-list]
 sharp protrusion from an iron meteorite
  
   I recieved a well prepared letter 
   from a fellow with a question that 
   I can't begin to answer.  
   Maybe someone on the list has 
   seen this kind of thing before.
  
   He bought a Baygorria (Iron, IAB complex) 
   from a dealer 3 years ago.
   He picked it up recently to find 
   a metal protrusion sticking out 
   of the thing that was sharp enough 
   to prick his thumb.
   Here's a jpg of his scanned photo.
  
   http://meteorites.wustl.edu/baygorria.jpg
  
   What's happened here?
  
   Randy Korotev
   St. Louis
  
  
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Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update - EL's and OC's

[Robert Verish]

One benefit of having two numbers is that it allows the classifier to clarify 
the differences between the two stones in order to show the range of variation 
among these paired EL stones.  The difference in this case being one stone has 
Alabandite present, and the second stone was Extremely weathered showing 
only rare metal. Rare alabandite. 

This would actually aid a subsequent classifier of another EL6 stone to be able 
to pair that third stone to the other two.  Otherwise that subsequent 
classifier (not being aware of this variation) may be misled into thinking that 
the third stone is unpaired.  

When I first read Mendy's question about assignment of NWA numbers, I thought 
he was making reference to assignment of provisional numbers.  These are 
usually assigned before the stones are classified and if the stones have any 
appearance of outwardly looking different to each other, the prudent requester 
is wise to get a number for each stone.  

Once a requester gets two numbers assigned, it's not likely that a classifier 
will get rid of one number.  Where is the motivation if the classifier will get 
more type-specimen by having each stone numbered.

If the classifier submits a classification for each numbered stone, the NomCom 
will accommodate that classifier by approving both numbers.  Anything less, 
and the NomCom would be considered unaccommodating. 

Now, in defense of the classifier for not getting rid of one of the numbers, I 
would say that the test lies in answering this question: 
What is the added-value in discarding a number?
(Which is basically what Jeff Grossman was saying when he asked, 
Why is this a problem?)

Or stated another way:
Is there any added-value in approving two numbers that were assigned to two 
stones that were subsequently paired?

For one answer to that question as it relates to these two EL6 stones, 
go to the beginning of this post.

Bob V.
 

--- On Sat, 2/16/13, Mendy Ouzillou ouzil...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: Mendy Ouzillou ouzil...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update - EL's and OC's
 To: 'Jeff Grossman' jngross...@gmail.com, 
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Saturday, February 16, 2013, 8:51 PM 
 
 Because as I read it 
 the data for both specimens are the same 
 within the margin of error 
 and the two specimens 
 should share one number.
 
 M
 
 -Original Message-
 From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
 [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com]
 On Behalf Of Jeff Grossman
 Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 7:24 PM
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update - EL's and OC's
 
 Why is this a problem? -jeff
 
 On 2/16/2013 9:46 PM, Mendy Ouzillou wrote:
  Why are two consecutive numbers assigned to the same 
 group of stones.
 EL6, two stones and same classifiers.  I don't get it
 ...
 
  Mendy Ouzillou
 
  On Feb 16, 2013, at 10:20 AM, Galactic Stone 
 Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Hi Bulletin Watchers,
 
  There are a handful of new approvals - all are NWA meteorites.
 
  Link -
 http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?sea=sfor=namesants=falls=valids=stype=containslrec=50map=gebrowse=country=Allsrt=namecateg=Allmblist=Allrect=phot=snew=1pnt=Normal%20tabledr=page=0
 
  Best regards,
 
  MikeG
 
 
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[meteorite-list] FW: (meteorobs) [met-list] Moroc Long Duration Fireball with smoketrail 13FEB2013

[Robert Verish]

 Original Message 
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 17:55:55 +
From: Esko Lyytinen esko.lyyti...@jippii.fi
Subject: Re: (meteorobs) [meteorite-list] Moroc Long Duration Fireball
    with smoketrail 13FEB2013

We had here in Finland probably the best meteorite dropping fireball
that we have well captured in our cameras, in Feb, 16 , 2009 at 22 UT.
The geocentric radiant of this was 48, +28 , so this could be connected
to what you have now and maybe with what Dirk tells about.
The Vinf was derived as 13.5 km/s.

And actually we have during the years, around this time of the year, had
some other expected quite good meteorite droppers (at least one of these
outside our country borders) , with roughly similar solar system orbit.
It would be interesting to get the orbits derived for yours.

Keep all your cameras open, please ;)

Esko


On 2013-02-14 13:29, James Beauchamp wrote:

 Dirk , I've had three very slow events the last two days.  Radiant
 appears to be directly over head 38 degrees latitude, 8 PM central US
 time.

 Really slow, bright, with trails.

- End of Original Message --

In a nutshell, keep your allsky cameras fired-up!
These observations are as good of an early-warning system as we will get.

Can't say we weren't warned,
-- CL 
(Chicken Little)


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Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 7034

[Robert Verish]

--- On Fri, 1/25/13, Anne Black impact...@aol.com wrote:
 Lets make it simple.
 Now we can have: 
 Achondrite Martian Basaltic Breccia.
 
 Simple as that.


Okay!  We're settled, then:  AMBB it will be!

(Sorry, Anne, I couldn't resist;-)

But seriously, folks.  Consider the following:

martian meteorites - Martian meteorites are martian rocks that were ejected 
from Mars by impacts and later fell to the Earth as meteorites. 
The well-known types are 
S saharaites (basaltic clasts in a porphyritic groundmass)
shergottites (basaltic to lherzolitic igneous rocks), 
N  nakhlites (clinopyroxenites)
C chassignites (dunitic cumulate rocks)
A ALH 84001(orthopyroxenites) 

Does anyone else see a problem with this?
Bob V.

--
 From: Anne Black impact...@aol.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 7034
 To: a...@unm.edu, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Friday, January 25, 2013, 11:33 AM 
 
 Please,
 No, no more acronyms!
 The world is being invaded by those meaningless,
 un-translatable monstrosities.
 Lets make it simple.
 We have had for a long time such a thing as: 
 Achondrite Eucrite Polymict Breccia.
 Now we can have: 
 Achondrite Martian Basaltic Breccia.
 
 Simple as that.
 
 Anne M. Black
 www.IMPACTIKA.com
 impact...@aol.com
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Carl Agee a...@unm.edu
 To: meteoritelist meteoritelist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Sent: Fri, Jan 25, 2013 9:33 am
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 7034
 
 
 Jeff,
 
 Now that you are at NASA you can appreciate the perverse
 things people
 do with words just to come up with a cool acronym. Making
 the new
 Martian meteorite acronym even half way cool requires some
 drastic
 measures, like giving NWA 7034 Basaltic Breccia Black Beauty
 a new
 name based on locality: I propose saharaite. So we now
 have the
 meteorites from Mars or SCANS
 
 S: shergottite
 C: chassignite
 A: ALH 84001
 N: nakhlite
 S: saharaite
 
 Enjoy!
 
 Carl Agee
 
 
 --
 Carl B. Agee
 Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics
 Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences
 MSC03 2050
 University of New Mexico
 Albuquerque NM 87131-1126
 
 Tel: (505) 750-7172
 Fax: (505) 277-3577
 Email: a...@unm.edu
 http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/
 
 
 ---
 Message: 19
 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 10:43:04 -0500
 From: Jeff Grossman jngross...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 7034
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Message-ID: 5102a808.5040...@gmail.com
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
 
 Don't forget ALH 84001, the pyroxenite.
 
 SNCPB?
 
 If we use the N from NWA instead of B, and the A from ALH,
 how about 
 CANNS?
 
 Or maybe we should just do the sensible thing and call them
 Martian
 meteorites?
 
 Jeff
 
 On 1/24/2013 4:42 PM, h...@meteorhall.com
 wrote:
  Hi Paul,
      I like the SNCB. It sounds
 like a radio station's call 
 letters...Stay
  tuned for all of your Martian meteorite news from
 SNCB.
  Regards, Fred H.
 
  How shall we organize the new class of Martian?
 
  Until now it has been SNC
 
  How about B or B squared for BASALTIC BRECCIA ?
 
  SNCB
 
  What say you all?
 
  -Paul Gessler
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Re: [meteorite-list] Unobserved fall [bounced reply - resent]

[Robert Verish]

Re-transmit.  
Last week I sent 3 posts to the List, none of them made it, and they still 
don't appear in any of the Archives.  
The following message is a re-transmit of one that was bounced-back to me 
from the Met-List server.

Art!  PLEASE BRING BACK THE OLD ARCHIVES!

 Original Message 

[meteorite-list] Unobserved fall

valparint Sun, 23 Dec 2012 09:20:03 -0800

Find does not tell us if a fall was observed. Maybe not a big deal for the 
old hands but useful info for newbies.

Observed and Find usually occur at different times and are, therefore, 
different pieces of information. 
One does not contain the other.

The MetBul uses this terminology - Observed fall: No. Grammatically, 
equivalent to unobserved fall. Then they add Year found: 1576. Two pieces 
of unequivocal information.

I don't control the terminology of the meteorite world. I do control the MPOD 
and it was my decision to use unobserved fall in order to convey more 
information.

cheers

Paul Swartz
IMCA 5204

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Re: [meteorite-list] Unobserved fall

From: Robert Verish bolidecha...@yahoo.com
To: Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com

On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 09:20:03 -0800, valprint wrote:

A 'find' does not tell us if a fall was observed. Maybe not a big deal for the 
old hands but useful info for newbies. 
--

Sorry for my delay in replying to this post, but I first wanted to ask a couple 
of the old hands that I personally know, whether or not they agreed with 
those comments.  And this may come as a surprise, especially if you would 
assume that the reactionary old hands would be resistant to change, but they 
were all open to any improvements in terminology, especially if the 
improvement would be useful to newbies.  

But the general consensus of the old hands was that it would actually be the 
newbies that would be the most confused by the existence of two terms meaning 
the same thing.  It would be particularly difficult during the transition, the 
introduction of the new phrase while the usage of the old term is still in 
vogue. And the transition would be a very long period of time given how the old 
term is so entrenched.  

As is typical of old hands, they questioned why now?  Why hasn't this 
long-standing terminology been a problem until now?  Maybe there is no problem. 
 Maybe the premise of the iconoclasts is flawed, and it needs to be reexamined. 
 

A 'find' does not tell us if a 'fall' was observed. 
Is this always true?
I'm not sure how the terms find and fall are defined here?

For the sake of the newbies and for clarity, the old hands said this:
When you are making labels for your specimens, 
where it says Fall or Find?, **
a Fall always tells you that the fall was observed (or witnessed), and 
a Find always tells you that the fall was unobserved, 
or better stated, that there were no reports it was observed.
After all, who can honestly know that it was not observed?  
Isn't it possible that a Find could be changed to a Fall?  
Which makes the term unobserved fall sound presumptuous. 

(** - based upon Met Soc usage in Guidelines for Nomenclature)

Anyway, that's what I got from the old hands that I asked.  

I haven't stated my personal opinion about what I think is the meaning and 
usage of the term unobserved fall, because that would be more appropriate in 
a separate post. 

So many falls, so little time to find them,
Bob V.


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