Re: [meteorite-list] '869?

2008-03-16 Thread Lasse Lindh

Hi Martin

Thanks Martin for the info. Your a great source of knowledge as always 
and not afraid to give me a lesson... ;o) I do appreciate it.


I have seen some questionable info and I agree that it is unfortunate.

Regards

Lasse

Martin Altmann wrote:

Hi Lasse,

these ebay-discussions are recurrent
and I guess, one can break them down to the consensus,
that on ebay there are good purchases to be found, but that ebay isn't
directly always the best place to buy meteorites. Cause if you take all
offers together, then - pity enough for the serious sellers - ebay turns out
to be that marketplace for meteorites with the by far lowest standards of
ethics.

That kinds of discussions are ending always like the amen in the church with
the maxim:
Know your dealers (and if possible: your meteorites).

You have to see, that on ebay is working the whole spectrum offerers;
From the extremely scrupulous professional dealer or experienced veteran
collector, down to those, who haven't any clues about meteorites or
understand ebay as an anonymous flea-market, where they can leave no stone
unturned by disthonest means to squeeze out the last penny of material of
doubtful quality, because they won't be called to account for.

Note furthermore that the so called meteorite market developed from a pure
collectors' scene and still today it is borne mainly by collectors,
especially on ebay, and even most of the reputable dealers, who you know,
aren't making their days in selling meteorites, but are dealing meteorites
because of their feeble for such matter or as side occupation among others.
There of course it is natural, that also not yet so advanced collectors
offer here and there their specimens, who naturally are making mistakes.

In general it is a welcome fact, at least I think so, that meteorites and
their trade are driven mainly by collectors and enthusiasts.

Well in this case maybe the seller mixed some specimens or he bought a lot
of NWA 869, where also some other old meteorites creeped in, which he wasn't
able to distinguish from true 869ers.
If you look into his other auctions, you'll find, that he must be quite new
to meteoritics as you easily can notice from his sometimes inadequate
attributes he uses in his descriptions and sometimes he's telling absolute
rubbish.
E.g. that Sikhote:
Item number: 120231123026

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sikhote-Alin-meteorite-27-1-grams-Nice-specimen-NR_W0QQi
temZ120231123026QQihZ002QQcategoryZ3239QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Well, don't let me keep you with that beauty vs. the beholder's eyes-thing,
the incorrectness here is, that it has absolutely no flow lines, as he
states.

Problem I see, is, that he has an IMCA-label.
I think it should be the job of the two warrantors, who recommended him to
be a member, to point out that mistake to him, to tutor him to do his
homework and to coach him a little bit.

Anyway, I could bet, that it won't take more than 10 days, until we'll have
the next ebay-discussion on the list.

Best!
Martin


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Hi

I just want to clearify my last message in case someone misunderstood my 
meaning. I've bought several items from this dealer and have no 
complaint what so ever. On the contrary, I've got great items at good 
price and it was a pleasure.  Even if someone dislikes this slice and 
think it's not worth a penny, the starting price WAS LOW, $0.99, and if 
some bidder want to pay $15, $50 or a $100 for that, it's nothing to 
blame the seller. He started low. There are sellers that sells pure crap 
for five or 10 times that much at Buy it Now. 


Hope that clears it... :)

Lasse



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Re: [meteorite-list] '869?

2008-03-13 Thread Pete Pete

Hi, all,

It wasn't removed, it was won.

http://cgi.ebay.com/NWA-869-meteorite-16-5-gram-polished-slice-NR_W0QQitemZ110230760513QQihZ001QQcategoryZ3239QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

It is an IMCA member that sold it - shouldn't that give him some credibility? 
I'm sure correspondence with him directly would have given you some assurance 
before starting this dubious thread.
 
Actually, I've bought from that seller before without a problem.

Cheers,
Pete


 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:42:45 -0400
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] '869?

 ITS been removed!!
 Jerry Flaherty
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 Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 1:56 PM
 Subject: [meteorite-list] '869?



 Hello List,

 Noticed this on ebay. Does it look like NWA 869 to you guys? Perhaps it's
 just that I've never seen this litho.
 Comments appreciated.

 http://cgi.ebay.com/NWA-869-meteorite-16-5-gram-polished-slice-NR_W0QQitemZ110
 230760513QQihZ001QQcategoryZ3239QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

 Thanks,
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Re: [meteorite-list] '869?

2008-03-13 Thread Lasse Lindh

Hi

Starting price was $0.99. I've seen a lot worse from reputable dealers. 
Some has sold pure crap on Ebay. That is just for squeezing a few bucks 
out of something that ought to be in the waste bin. Sad, but money talks.


Lasse


Darren Garrison skrev:

On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:41:53 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:

  

5 to 10 cents a gram for NWA869?  Maybe a couple of
years ago, but not any more.



http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=110230760513

No, I'm saying that piece on Ebay that claims to be a piece of NWA 869 looks
from that photo to be something highly weathered and highly rotten-- the type of
rotten junk sold (or attempted to be sold) in bulk lots at 5 or 10 cents a gram
even now.  I don't think that I'd pay a dollar for the slice.
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Re: [meteorite-list] '869?

2008-03-13 Thread tett
I have lots and seen lots more of NWA869.  Probably cut at least 20 samples 
from different sources.


That slice sure does not look like NWA869.  Way too weathered (brown) 
looking.  More like SAU001 but does not have the chondrule definition of 
SAU001???


tett
Owen Sound, Ontario

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Hi, all,

It wasn't removed, it was won.

http://cgi.ebay.com/NWA-869-meteorite-16-5-gram-polished-slice-NR_W0QQitemZ110230760513QQihZ001QQcategoryZ3239QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

It is an IMCA member that sold it - shouldn't that give him some 
credibility?
I'm sure correspondence with him directly would have given you some 
assurance before starting this dubious thread.


Actually, I've bought from that seller before without a problem.

Cheers,
Pete



Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:42:45 -0400
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] '869?

ITS been removed!!
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Subject: [meteorite-list] '869?




Hello List,

Noticed this on ebay. Does it look like NWA 869 to you guys? Perhaps 
it's

just that I've never seen this litho.
Comments appreciated.

http://cgi.ebay.com/NWA-869-meteorite-16-5-gram-polished-slice-NR_W0QQitemZ110
230760513QQihZ001QQcategoryZ3239QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Thanks,
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Re: [meteorite-list] '869?

2008-03-13 Thread Lasse Lindh

Hi

I just want to clearify my last message in case someone misunderstood my 
meaning. I've bought several items from this dealer and have no 
complaint what so ever. On the contrary, I've got great items at good 
price and it was a pleasure.  Even if someone dislikes this slice and 
think it's not worth a penny, the starting price WAS LOW, $0.99, and if 
some bidder want to pay $15, $50 or a $100 for that, it's nothing to 
blame the seller. He started low. There are sellers that sells pure crap 
for five or 10 times that much at Buy it Now. 


Hope that clears it... :)

Lasse

Lasse Lindh skrev:

Hi

Starting price was $0.99. I've seen a lot worse from reputable 
dealers. Some has sold pure crap on Ebay. That is just for squeezing a 
few bucks out of something that ought to be in the waste bin. Sad, but 
money talks.


Lasse


Darren Garrison skrev:

On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:41:53 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:

 

5 to 10 cents a gram for NWA869?  Maybe a couple of
years ago, but not any more.



http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=110230760513

No, I'm saying that piece on Ebay that claims to be a piece of NWA 
869 looks
from that photo to be something highly weathered and highly rotten-- 
the type of
rotten junk sold (or attempted to be sold) in bulk lots at 5 or 10 
cents a gram

even now.  I don't think that I'd pay a dollar for the slice.
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Re: [meteorite-list] '869?

2008-03-13 Thread Martin Altmann
Hi Lasse,

these ebay-discussions are recurrent
and I guess, one can break them down to the consensus,
that on ebay there are good purchases to be found, but that ebay isn't
directly always the best place to buy meteorites. Cause if you take all
offers together, then - pity enough for the serious sellers - ebay turns out
to be that marketplace for meteorites with the by far lowest standards of
ethics.

That kinds of discussions are ending always like the amen in the church with
the maxim:
Know your dealers (and if possible: your meteorites).

You have to see, that on ebay is working the whole spectrum offerers;
From the extremely scrupulous professional dealer or experienced veteran
collector, down to those, who haven't any clues about meteorites or
understand ebay as an anonymous flea-market, where they can leave no stone
unturned by disthonest means to squeeze out the last penny of material of
doubtful quality, because they won't be called to account for.

Note furthermore that the so called meteorite market developed from a pure
collectors' scene and still today it is borne mainly by collectors,
especially on ebay, and even most of the reputable dealers, who you know,
aren't making their days in selling meteorites, but are dealing meteorites
because of their feeble for such matter or as side occupation among others.
There of course it is natural, that also not yet so advanced collectors
offer here and there their specimens, who naturally are making mistakes.

In general it is a welcome fact, at least I think so, that meteorites and
their trade are driven mainly by collectors and enthusiasts.

Well in this case maybe the seller mixed some specimens or he bought a lot
of NWA 869, where also some other old meteorites creeped in, which he wasn't
able to distinguish from true 869ers.
If you look into his other auctions, you'll find, that he must be quite new
to meteoritics as you easily can notice from his sometimes inadequate
attributes he uses in his descriptions and sometimes he's telling absolute
rubbish.
E.g. that Sikhote:
Item number: 120231123026

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sikhote-Alin-meteorite-27-1-grams-Nice-specimen-NR_W0QQi
temZ120231123026QQihZ002QQcategoryZ3239QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Well, don't let me keep you with that beauty vs. the beholder's eyes-thing,
the incorrectness here is, that it has absolutely no flow lines, as he
states.

Problem I see, is, that he has an IMCA-label.
I think it should be the job of the two warrantors, who recommended him to
be a member, to point out that mistake to him, to tutor him to do his
homework and to coach him a little bit.

Anyway, I could bet, that it won't take more than 10 days, until we'll have
the next ebay-discussion on the list.

Best!
Martin


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Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] '869?

Hi

I just want to clearify my last message in case someone misunderstood my 
meaning. I've bought several items from this dealer and have no 
complaint what so ever. On the contrary, I've got great items at good 
price and it was a pleasure.  Even if someone dislikes this slice and 
think it's not worth a penny, the starting price WAS LOW, $0.99, and if 
some bidder want to pay $15, $50 or a $100 for that, it's nothing to 
blame the seller. He started low. There are sellers that sells pure crap 
for five or 10 times that much at Buy it Now. 

Hope that clears it... :)

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[meteorite-list] '869?

2008-03-12 Thread Thetoprok

Hello List,

Noticed this on ebay. Does it look like NWA 869 to  you guys? Perhaps it's 
just that I've never seen this litho.
Comments  appreciated.

http://cgi.ebay.com/NWA-869-meteorite-16-5-gram-polished-slice-NR_W0QQitemZ110
230760513QQihZ001QQcategoryZ3239QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Thanks,
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Re: [meteorite-list] '869?

2008-03-12 Thread Darren Garrison
On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:56:45 EDT, you wrote:


Hello List,

Noticed this on ebay. Does it look like NWA 869 to  you guys? Perhaps it's 
just that I've never seen this litho.
Comments  appreciated.

http://cgi.ebay.com/NWA-869-meteorite-16-5-gram-polished-slice-NR_W0QQitemZ110
230760513QQihZ001QQcategoryZ3239QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


I donno, looks like something old and rotten to me.  5 or 10 cents a gram seems
about the right price for it.  
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Re: [meteorite-list] '869?

2008-03-12 Thread Don Rawlings
5 to 10 cents a gram for NWA869?  Maybe a couple of
years ago, but not any more.

I heard that there was virtually none to be bought at
the Tucson show.  Can attendees confirm this?

Don

--- Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:56:45 EDT, you wrote:
 
 
 Hello List,
 
 Noticed this on ebay. Does it look like NWA 869 to 
 you guys? Perhaps it's 
 just that I've never seen this litho.
 Comments  appreciated.
 

http://cgi.ebay.com/NWA-869-meteorite-16-5-gram-polished-slice-NR_W0QQitemZ110

230760513QQihZ001QQcategoryZ3239QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
 
 
 I donno, looks like something old and rotten to me. 
 5 or 10 cents a gram seems
 about the right price for it.  
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Re: [meteorite-list] '869?

2008-03-12 Thread Darren Garrison
On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:41:53 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:

5 to 10 cents a gram for NWA869?  Maybe a couple of
years ago, but not any more.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=110230760513

No, I'm saying that piece on Ebay that claims to be a piece of NWA 869 looks
from that photo to be something highly weathered and highly rotten-- the type of
rotten junk sold (or attempted to be sold) in bulk lots at 5 or 10 cents a gram
even now.  I don't think that I'd pay a dollar for the slice.
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Re: [meteorite-list] '869?

2008-03-12 Thread bobe5531
Yep
 -- Original message --
From: Don Rawlings [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 5 to 10 cents a gram for NWA869?  Maybe a couple of
 years ago, but not any more.
 
 I heard that there was virtually none to be bought at
 the Tucson show.  Can attendees confirm this?
 
 Don
 
 --- Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:56:45 EDT, you wrote:
  
  
  Hello List,
  
  Noticed this on ebay. Does it look like NWA 869 to 
  you guys? Perhaps it's 
  just that I've never seen this litho.
  Comments  appreciated.
  
 
 http://cgi.ebay.com/NWA-869-meteorite-16-5-gram-polished-slice-NR_W0QQitemZ110
 
 230760513QQihZ001QQcategoryZ3239QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
  
  
  I donno, looks like something old and rotten to me. 
  5 or 10 cents a gram seems
  about the right price for it.  
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Re: [meteorite-list] '869?

2008-03-12 Thread Greg Hupe

Hello Don,

I did not see any at the Tucson Show but I do have a good supply of Best 
Quality individuals anywhere from 1 gram up to larger. Of course the 
smaller individuals are the most complete. I usually offer some on eBay in 
individual form or in 1-kilo lots.


Best regards,
Greg


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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] '869?




5 to 10 cents a gram for NWA869?  Maybe a couple of
years ago, but not any more.

I heard that there was virtually none to be bought at
the Tucson show.  Can attendees confirm this?

Don

--- Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:56:45 EDT, you wrote:


Hello List,

Noticed this on ebay. Does it look like NWA 869 to
you guys? Perhaps it's
just that I've never seen this litho.
Comments  appreciated.


http://cgi.ebay.com/NWA-869-meteorite-16-5-gram-polished-slice-NR_W0QQitemZ110

230760513QQihZ001QQcategoryZ3239QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


I donno, looks like something old and rotten to me.
5 or 10 cents a gram seems
about the right price for it.
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Re: [meteorite-list] '869?

2008-03-12 Thread Jerry

ITS been removed!!
Jerry Flaherty
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Subject: [meteorite-list] '869?




Hello List,

Noticed this on ebay. Does it look like NWA 869 to  you guys? Perhaps it's
just that I've never seen this litho.
Comments  appreciated.

http://cgi.ebay.com/NWA-869-meteorite-16-5-gram-polished-slice-NR_W0QQitemZ110
230760513QQihZ001QQcategoryZ3239QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Thanks,
Larry




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Re: [meteorite-list] '869?

2008-03-12 Thread Pat Brown
Hi All, 

There was some 869 in big lots. Sahara Overland had a
very nice looking 25Kg lot. Another tent seller at the
Ramada Ltd was selling by the gram some stuff that
really looked like 869, but was not identified as
such. 

Pat Brown
Scientific Lifestyle Meteorites

--- Greg Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello Don,
 
 I did not see any at the Tucson Show but I do have a
 good supply of Best 
 Quality individuals anywhere from 1 gram up to
 larger. Of course the 
 smaller individuals are the most complete. I usually
 offer some on eBay in 
 individual form or in 1-kilo lots.
 
 Best regards,
 Greg
 
 
 Greg Hupe
 The Hupe Collection
 NaturesVault (eBay)
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 www.LunarRock.com
 IMCA 3163
 
 Click here for my current eBay auctions: 
 http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault
 
 
 
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 From: Don Rawlings [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 2:41 PM
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] '869?
 
 
 
 5 to 10 cents a gram for NWA869?  Maybe a couple of
  years ago, but not any more.
 
  I heard that there was virtually none to be bought
 at
  the Tucson show.  Can attendees confirm this?
 
  Don
 
  --- Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:56:45 EDT, you wrote:
 
  
  Hello List,
  
  Noticed this on ebay. Does it look like NWA 869
 to
  you guys? Perhaps it's
  just that I've never seen this litho.
  Comments  appreciated.
  
 

http://cgi.ebay.com/NWA-869-meteorite-16-5-gram-polished-slice-NR_W0QQitemZ110
 

230760513QQihZ001QQcategoryZ3239QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
 
 
  I donno, looks like something old and rotten to
 me.
  5 or 10 cents a gram seems
  about the right price for it.
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Re: [meteorite-list] '869?

2008-03-12 Thread Michael Farmer
Don, due to jewelry making, all 869 was bought up. I
personally bought more than 500 kilograms of it, all
of which was turned into spheres, beads, and pendants.
The price is now much higher than that, at 5 to 10
cents a gram, I am a buyer right now, let me tell you!
Michael Farmer
--- Don Rawlings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 5 to 10 cents a gram for NWA869?  Maybe a couple of
 years ago, but not any more.
 
 I heard that there was virtually none to be bought
 at
 the Tucson show.  Can attendees confirm this?
 
 Don
 
 --- Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:56:45 EDT, you wrote:
  
  
  Hello List,
  
  Noticed this on ebay. Does it look like NWA 869
 to 
  you guys? Perhaps it's 
  just that I've never seen this litho.
  Comments  appreciated.
  
 

http://cgi.ebay.com/NWA-869-meteorite-16-5-gram-polished-slice-NR_W0QQitemZ110
 

230760513QQihZ001QQcategoryZ3239QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
  
  
  I donno, looks like something old and rotten to
 me. 
  5 or 10 cents a gram seems
  about the right price for it.  
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