Re: [meteorite-list] [met-list] Fwd: sharp protrusion from an iron meteorite

2013-03-09 Thread Jason Utas
Hello Bob, All,
Metal protrusions like that are common on cleaned irons.  They are
usually slivers of fresh metal formerly surrounded by oxide that are
exposed via cleaning.

Since we have no evidence that Baygorria is or ever was actually
distinct from Campo del Cielo, I wouldn't be so bold as to say that
the original mass was a distinct meteorite.  It might have been, but
you assert it as though it's fact.  I would disagree without
additional evidence.

I agree.  Self-pairing when there's any question of the material being
different is a no-no.

Regards,
Jason

On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Robert Verish bolidecha...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Except that I can't remember if we identified the protrusion.

 Long ago I remember someone suggesting that it might be a mineral inclusion 
 that is differentially resistant to weathering, like silicates, or carbides, 
 like the cohenite in this image:
 http://www.mindat.org/photo-8081.html

 But then the ID of the iron meteorite, itself, was brought into question.
 In recap, here is what we know:
 Baygorria and Uruaçu are actual iron meteorites that are
 compositionally similar to Campo del Cielo, but are not at all similar 
 structurally.
 Uruaçu is a schreibersite-cohenite-rich IAB that is older than Campo.
 Uruaçu was found in Brazil; is unrelated to Baygorria (Uruguay) or Campo.

 Baygorria was found as a single mass (80 kg) that was cut into slices and the 
 largest remaining mass (40kg) was donated to a university. Individual 
 meteorites sold as 'Baygorria' are nothing more than Campo del Cielo from 
 Argentina.
 These bogus whole irons need to be relabeled as Campo del Cielo.
 Even 'Baygorria' slices are suspect Campo unless it can be proven that 
 provenance originated from the university or from Mr. J. Escomel, Roque Gra 
 Seras 914, Montevideo 11300, Uruguay.
 Anything less would be considered self-pairing which we now know is a 
 slippery-slope.

 Just my way of throwing dirt on the grave of the dead horse.
 Bob V.


 --- On Fri, 3/8/13, Art Jones art.jo...@iscs.com wrote:

 From: Art Jones art.jo...@iscs.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd:  sharp protrusion from an iron meteorite
 To: Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com, Meteorite-list 
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, altm...@meteorite-martin.de 
 altm...@meteorite-martin.de
 Date: Friday, March 8, 2013, 1:34 PM
 Guys,

 I think the horse is way past dead on this one, let's end
 the thread.

 Thanks, Art


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   - Original Message -
   From: Randy Korotev koro...@wustl.edu
   To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
   Cc:
   Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 2:41 PM
   Subject: [meteorite-list]
 sharp protrusion from an iron meteorite
  
   I recieved a well prepared letter
   from a fellow with a question that
   I can't begin to answer.
   Maybe someone on the list has
   seen this kind of thing before.
  
   He bought a Baygorria (Iron, IAB complex)
   from a dealer 3 years ago.
   He picked it up recently to find
   a metal protrusion sticking out
   of the thing that was sharp enough
   to prick his thumb.
   Here's a jpg of his scanned photo.
  
   http://meteorites.wustl.edu/baygorria.jpg
  
   What's happened here?
  
   Randy Korotev
   St. Louis
  
  
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Re: [meteorite-list] [met-list] Fwd: sharp protrusion from an iron meteorite

2013-03-08 Thread Robert Verish
Except that I can't remember if we identified the protrusion. 

Long ago I remember someone suggesting that it might be a mineral inclusion 
that is differentially resistant to weathering, like silicates, or carbides, 
like the cohenite in this image:
http://www.mindat.org/photo-8081.html 

But then the ID of the iron meteorite, itself, was brought into question.
In recap, here is what we know:  
Baygorria and Uruaçu are actual iron meteorites that are 
compositionally similar to Campo del Cielo, but are not at all similar 
structurally. 
Uruaçu is a schreibersite-cohenite-rich IAB that is older than Campo. 
Uruaçu was found in Brazil; is unrelated to Baygorria (Uruguay) or Campo. 

Baygorria was found as a single mass (80 kg) that was cut into slices and the 
largest remaining mass (40kg) was donated to a university. Individual 
meteorites sold as 'Baygorria' are nothing more than Campo del Cielo from 
Argentina.
These bogus whole irons need to be relabeled as Campo del Cielo.  
Even 'Baygorria' slices are suspect Campo unless it can be proven that 
provenance originated from the university or from Mr. J. Escomel, Roque Gra 
Seras 914, Montevideo 11300, Uruguay.  
Anything less would be considered self-pairing which we now know is a 
slippery-slope. 

Just my way of throwing dirt on the grave of the dead horse.
Bob V.


--- On Fri, 3/8/13, Art Jones art.jo...@iscs.com wrote:

 From: Art Jones art.jo...@iscs.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd:  sharp protrusion from an iron meteorite
 To: Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com, Meteorite-list 
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, altm...@meteorite-martin.de 
 altm...@meteorite-martin.de
 Date: Friday, March 8, 2013, 1:34 PM
 Guys,
 
 I think the horse is way past dead on this one, let's end
 the thread.
 
 Thanks, Art
 
 
++
   - Original Message -
   From: Randy Korotev koro...@wustl.edu
   To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
   Cc:
   Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 2:41 PM
   Subject: [meteorite-list]
 sharp protrusion from an iron meteorite
  
   I recieved a well prepared letter 
   from a fellow with a question that 
   I can't begin to answer.  
   Maybe someone on the list has 
   seen this kind of thing before.
  
   He bought a Baygorria (Iron, IAB complex) 
   from a dealer 3 years ago.
   He picked it up recently to find 
   a metal protrusion sticking out 
   of the thing that was sharp enough 
   to prick his thumb.
   Here's a jpg of his scanned photo.
  
   http://meteorites.wustl.edu/baygorria.jpg
  
   What's happened here?
  
   Randy Korotev
   St. Louis
  
  
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