Re: [meteorite-list] Article: Discovery of probably Tunguska meteorites at the bottom of Khushmo river's shoal
Dear List, The claim of physical recovery is getting wide attention with astronomical websites and (probably will in) publications. Zlobin collected the stones in 1988, but never bothered to look at them until now... Dr. Zlobin's earlier paper on Tunguska states he is an Expert to Federal Agency of Physical Training and Sport, Moscow. That paper (undated) can be found at: http://www.google.com/url?sa=trct=jq=esrc=ssource=webcd=1cad=rjasqi=2ved=0CDAQFjAAurl=http%3A%2F%2Fciteseerx.ist.psu.edu%2Fviewdoc%2Fdownload%3Fdoi%3D10.1.1.104.2490%26rep%3Drep1%26type%3Dpdfei=qEiDUci1DY3C4AOgz4DIBAusg=AFQjCNH5vjYxI7Tq1M-okA42HsMY-zLXDQsig2=vetSHOQ-JlPNpf99gFJC-gbvm=bv.45960087,d.eWU It is... creative. It's a comet theory. Here's his resume (in English): http://www.orc.ru/~azorcord/page_sob.htm There is a YouTube of him singing and playing the guitar when he was a studen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5ipfQAEcZM Sterling K. Webb --- - Original Message - From: Matthew Martin mmar...@meteoritetreasures.com To: MeteorList meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 1:53 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Article: Discovery of probably Tunguska meteorites at the bottom of Khushmo river's shoal Aloha Everyone, A newly published (4/29/13) article on Tunguska in PDF format is available for free download from the Cornell University Library. I can't say I agree with calling it the discovery of meteorites--I think impact glass would be a better description, but it's an interesting read nonetheless. Shatter cones are also discussed. The link below will take you to a Cornell University Library page with a one paragraph abstract of the article. To download the entire paper, click the download PDF Only link on the upper right of the web page. http://arxiv.org/abs/1304.8070 Aloha, Matthew __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Article: Discovery of probably Tunguska meteorites at the bottom of Khushmo river's shoal
The following is a copy and paste from the above paper: Acknowledgments: I very thankful to administration and my colleagues in Vernadsky State Geological Museum (RAS) on possibility to work with information concerning L.A.Kulik’s activity and to analyze meteorites of the Museum. And then the audience arose from their seats and delivered a thunderous applause... Can I sit-down now? Bob V. One can now solve a good chunk of Russia's energy problems, by creating a rotor cage around Dr. Kulik's rapidly spinning corpse. Talk about riding on coat-tails! Best! Tracy Latimer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Article: Discovery of probably Tunguska meteorites at the bottom of Khushmo river's shoal
In Re: [meteorite-list] Article: Discovery of probably Tunguska meteorites at the bottom of Khushmo river's shoal. at: http://www.mail-archive.com/meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com/msg112777.html Robert wrote: http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1304/1304.8070.pdf Discovery of probably Tunguska meteorites at the bottom of Khushmo river's shoal (by) Andrei E. Zlobin Vernadsky State Geological Museum, Russian Academy of Sciences, Mokhovaya 11/11, 125009, Moscow, Russian Federation I am stunned. From the Vernadsky State Geological Museum, Russian Academy of Sciences!! The shatter-cones appear to be aragonite crystals. The samples are all m-wrongs. This paper would never pass the peer-review of Club-Space-Rock, how did it get past the Cornell University Library? http://arxiv.org/help/endorsement How did this ever get published? If a person looks at the endorsemen web page at http://arxiv.org/help/endorsement , it specifically states: The endorsement process is not peer review. Thus, the articles posted to arXiv are not peer-reviewed. Over the years, I have noticed that the arXiv endorsement system, although it allows publication of articles at a much lower cost than conventional peer-reviewed journals, also allows some rather questionable material to at times to be published on arXiv. This material includes catastrophist pseudoscience such as Tails of a Recent Comet by Milton Zysman and Frank Wallace at http://arxiv.org/abs/1004.0416 and long discredited and scientifically illiterate nonsense about a pole shift causing the end of the last glacial as in On the change of latitude of Arctic East Siberia at the end of the Pleistocene by W. Woelfli and W. Baltensperger at http://arxiv.org/abs/0704.2489?context=physics.geo-ph A person has to take a critical look at what appears on arxiv.org and not accept it at face value. It appears the arXiv Blog simply repeats what the article is about without making a critical examination of the article's content. It is largely an Internet version of a press release and should be viewed with the same skepticism and critical eye as any press release. Comments about another arXiv reprint can be found in Meteorite crater found on mount Ararat? at: http://www.mail-archive.com/meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com/msg94574.html The article is: Yours, Paul H. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Article: Discovery of probably Tunguska meteorites at the bottom of Khushmo river's shoal
Aloha Everyone, A newly published (4/29/13) article on Tunguska in PDF format is available for free download from the Cornell University Library. I can't say I agree with calling it the discovery of meteorites--I think impact glass would be a better description, but it's an interesting read nonetheless. Shatter cones are also discussed. The link below will take you to a Cornell University Library page with a one paragraph abstract of the article. To download the entire paper, click the download PDF Only link on the upper right of the web page. http://arxiv.org/abs/1304.8070 Aloha, Matthew __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Article: Discovery of probably Tunguska meteorites at the bottom of Khushmo river's shoal
http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1304/1304.8070.pdf Discovery of probably Tunguska meteorites at the bottom of Khushmo river's shoal Andrei E. Zlobin Vernadsky State Geological Museum, Russian Academy of Sciences Mokhovaya 11/11, 125009, Moscow, Russian Federation e-mail: z-tungu...@yandex.ru I am stunned. From the Vernadsky State Geological Museum, Russian Academy of Sciences!! The shatter-cones appear to be aragonite crystals. The samples are all m-wrongs. This paper would never pass the peer-review of Club-Space-Rock, how did it get past the Cornell University Library? http://arxiv.org/help/endorsement How did this ever get published? This paper should be re-titled: How to get Shatter-cones without forming a Crater Maybe in Russia, April Fool's Day comes on April 29th? The following is a copy and paste from the above paper: Acknowledgments: I very thankful to administration and my colleagues in Vernadsky State Geological Museum (RAS) on possibility to work with information concerning L.A.Kulik’s activity and to analyze meteorites of the Museum. And then the audience arose from their seats and delivered a thunderous applause... Can I sit-down now? Bob V. --- On Thu, 5/2/13, Matthew Martin mmar...@meteoritetreasures.com wrote: From: Matthew Martin mmar...@meteoritetreasures.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Article: Discovery of probably Tunguska meteorites at the bottom of Khushmo river's shoal To: MeteorList meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thursday, May 2, 2013, 11:53 AM Aloha Everyone, A newly published (4/29/13) article on Tunguska in PDF format is available for free download from the Cornell University Library. I can't say I agree with calling it the discovery of meteorites--I think impact glass would be a better description, but it's an interesting read nonetheless. Shatter cones are also discussed. The link below will take you to a Cornell University Library page with a one paragraph abstract of the article. To download the entire paper, click the download PDF Only link on the upper right of the web page. http://arxiv.org/abs/1304.8070 Aloha, Matthew __ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
