[meteorite-list] Average size of craters across the solar system?

2007-01-28 Thread Darren Garrison
I was just thinking about this, wondering if anyone has tried to compare average
sizes of craters across bodies in the solar system?  I was thinking along the
lines that, since orbital velocity is higher the closer an object is to the sun,
then there should be more bang for the buck for impactors.  So, shouldn't for
example, the average crater size on Mercury be bigger than the average crater
size on the moon?
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Re: [meteorite-list] Average size of craters across the solar system?

2007-01-28 Thread lebofsky
Hi Darren:

Lots of other factors going on:

Extra velocity caused by the gravity of the impacted body.

Composition of the surface being hit.

Composition/density (and thus mass) of the impactor.

Surface processes that will affect the loss of craters or their just
fading away.

At some point, with an old surface, you get saturation of craters, so
reach a certain limit on number and size of craters.

I am sure there are other things, but it has been a long day.

Larry

On Sun, January 28, 2007 5:47 pm, Darren Garrison wrote:
 I was just thinking about this, wondering if anyone has tried to compare
 average sizes of craters across bodies in the solar system?  I was
 thinking along the lines that, since orbital velocity is higher the closer
 an object is to the sun, then there should be more bang for the buck for
 impactors.  So, shouldn't for example, the average crater size on Mercury
 be bigger than the average crater size on the moon?
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Re: [meteorite-list] Average size of craters across the solar system?

2007-01-28 Thread Sterling K. Webb
Hi,

The biggest craters are multi-ringed; they are
big enough that they are called multi-ringed basins
or just basins. Properly, I suppose we should
call them impact features rather than craters.

The Solar System Hit Parade: Record Holders
and All Basins Over 3000 km, are as follows:


Mars   Elysium  4970 km*
Mars   Utopia  4715 km*
Mars   North Tharsis  4500 km*
Mars   Chryse  4600 km*
Mars   Hellas  4200 km
Callisto   Valhalla  4000 km
Mercury  Caloris  3700 km
Luna   Procellarum  3200 km
  (* disputed interpretation)


For bodies not on that list, the biggest crater is:

GanymedeGilgamesh  550 km
Venus   Mead  280 km
Io Pan  100 km
Europa Tyre  44 km
TitanUnnamed 440 km (Cassini radar)
Triton  Unnamed 500 km (Voyager detection, not certain)
EarthSudbury  250 km (?)
EarthVredefort  300 km (?)

From the lists, we can see first that bodies with
geologically active surfaces will only show the most
recent crater that hasn't been obliterated yet.

We can see that the biggest craters are not on the
biggest bodies and that the bodies with the biggest
craters are not the closest to the Sun nor furthest from
the Sun.

If we can draw conclusions, my guess would be that
the most important question after an impact would be:
How Big Was the Truck That Hit You? followed by
How Many Big Trucks Drive Through This Neighborhood?
Mars is close to the Asteroid Belt, perhaps too close. It
has played the odds too often and come up Snake Eyes
more times than is healthy for a young planet. Less certain
is that Luna, Callisto, and Mercury are all close to heavier
bodies which may have accelerated (slingshot) an
impactor to a greater velocity than the target body alone
would have produced.

 ...shouldn't, for example, the average crater size on Mercury
 be bigger than the average crater size on the moon?

That would take more statistics than I have on tap tonight,
but they look remarkably alike. An unlabeled photo of Mercury
might well be carelessly assumed to be the Moon, unless you
looked for Mercury's characteristic scarp wrinkles that the
Moon lacks. They're not that prominent; you might need a
magnifier if the photo is small scale. The Moon has more
basins over 2000 km than Mercury does.

Just for fun, before we understood about plate tectonics
and thought that land only moved up and down, not back
and forth, it was widely believed that the Pacific Ocean was,
not an impact feature, but an outpact feature, the place
where the Moon spun off the Earth, leaving what would be
the largest basin in the Solar System (if it were true, that is).


Sterling K. Webb
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Hi Darren:

Lots of other factors going on:

Extra velocity caused by the gravity of the impacted body.

Composition of the surface being hit.

Composition/density (and thus mass) of the impactor.

Surface processes that will affect the loss of craters or their just
fading away.

At some point, with an old surface, you get saturation of craters, so
reach a certain limit on number and size of craters.

I am sure there are other things, but it has been a long day.

Larry

On Sun, January 28, 2007 5:47 pm, Darren Garrison wrote:
 I was just thinking about this, wondering if anyone has tried to compare
 average sizes of craters across bodies in the solar system?  I was
 thinking along the lines that, since orbital velocity is higher the closer
 an object is to the sun, then there should be more bang for the buck for
 impactors.  So, shouldn't for example, the average crater size on Mercury
 be bigger than the average crater size on the moon?
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Re: [meteorite-list] Average size of craters across the solar system?

2007-01-28 Thread Darren Garrison
On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 22:41:40 -0600, you wrote:

Hi,

The biggest craters are multi-ringed; they are
big enough that they are called multi-ringed basins
or just basins. Properly, I suppose we should
call them impact features rather than craters.

Not so much the biggest craters, but I'm wondering if all craters tend to be
larger-- for example (no attempt at accurate figures here) if a 10 cm object
hitting the moon at the top valocity for an object hitting the moon (a head on
collision made a crater 5 meters across, would a 10 cm object hitting Mercury
at top velocity not make a larger crater with Mercury's larger velocity?  And
wouldn't Mars' slower speed mean for lighter hits than for the moon (or
Earth)?  Which could factor into how iron meteorites are surviving to be found
on the surface of Mars by the rovers, even though Mars' thinner atmosphere means
less loss of speed? 

http://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/orbital.htm  
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