Re: [meteorite-list] Cat Mountain on EBay [LA Disclaimer]
Mike, Doug, and All, The recent post by Michael Mulgrew is accurate. The MetSoc only recognizes the name Los Angeles. The recent post by Doug Dawn raises a valid question. I made a rookie mistake 13 years ago and I've been paying for it ever since. Lesson to all rookies: don't make rookie mistakes! No, seriously, it's okay to self-assign pet-names and even field ID numbers to your meteorites, but DON'T self-assign 001 to 00n numbers, or try to mimic NomCom formally-approved meteorite names. Especially when it is based on pre-classification self-pairings. - [meteorite-list] Cat Mountain on EBay Michael Mulgrew mikestang at gmail.com Sat Aug 20 17:25:50 EDT 2011 Previous message: [meteorite-list] Cat Mountain on EBay Next message: [meteorite-list] Cat Mountain on EBay Doug, I asked Bob Verish about this a few months ago. The MetBul does not show number designations, it recognizes two stones that make up the TKW for the Los Angeles meteorite. The 001 and 002 designations were internal to Mr. Verish for his own record keeping, but I believe he said (and I hope he'll chime in and correct me if I am mistaken) he used them publically a few times and without realizing it the number designation spread. -Michael in so. Cal. On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 12:13 PM, MexicoDoug mexicodoug at aim.com wrote: ... Finally, can someone say why those incredible US Martians: LA001 and LA002 got numbers if they are considered paired? Bob? There's no LA003 through LA00n that I'm aware of ... Can a slice of one be distingueshed from another? Are there other examples of unique / closed numbering? What ever happened to the protocol of (a), (b), (c), ... Kindest wishes Doug Previous message: [meteorite-list] Cat Mountain on EBay Next message: [meteorite-list] Cat Mountain on EBay __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hello All, Greg is correct; unless the meteorites have been found in a demarcated dense collection area, they should not receive separate names. The Nomenclature Committee's policies regarding serial naming are rather clear -- and since the stones are apparently paired, I believe Franconia is the perfect analogy. Per existing regulations, these stones should not receive new names. If I am to understand correctly, someone of questionable integrity was involved with the recovery of the third stone. Since you failed to answer my question in private, Diero, I'll ask you here -- is that correct? Regards, Jason On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 9:07 PM, Greg Stanley stanleygr...@hotmail.com wrote: I would think each would be called Cat Mountain, if they are all classified the same as the first one and were found in the same area, suggesting a strewn field. There are no Franconia 002 or Gold Basin 002. I guess the 'name' of a meteorite is one of a single stone or the strewn field. My few grams worth. Congratulations to all the finders of the new stones and to Count on getting the classification done. I also look forward to Rubin's article. Greg S Sent from my iPhone On Aug 20, 2011, at 2:25 PM, Michael Mulgrew mikest...@gmail.com wrote: Doug, I asked Bob Verish about this a few months ago. The MetBul does not show number designations, it recognizes two stones that make up the TKW for the Los Angeles meteorite. The 001 and 002 designations were internal to Mr. Verish for his own record keeping, but I believe he said (and I hope he'll chime in and correct me if I am mistaken) he used them publically a few times and without realizing it the number designation spread. -Michael in so. Cal. On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 12:13 PM, MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com wrote: ... Finally, can someone say why those incredible US Martians: LA001 and LA002 got numbers if they are considered paired? Bob? There's no LA003 through LA00n that I'm aware of ... Can a slice of one be distingueshed from another? Are there other examples of unique / closed numbering? What ever happened to the protocol of (a), (b), (c), ... Kindest wishes Doug __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Cat Mountain on Ebay
Hi Sonny and list, can someone clarify some things for me? I find it a bit confusing, so excuse me if I ask obvious questions. These are the facts as far as I have understood them: Apart from the first Cat Mountain find there was Snyder Hill, which was not part of the same fall and only found while looking for further Cat Mountain pieces. There was another small Cat Mountain found by Robert Haag which didn't get classified. Now hunters were searching the Snyder Hill site and found two more Cat Mountains which are now sold on ebay. Who found the rocks, Count Deiro or the hunters who have also found the Snyder Hill piece? Who is selling them? And why was the third rock which was found designated 001? The second one hasn't been classified, but wouldn't the original find get the first number? Pretty amazing finds :-) Regine --- wahlpe...@aol.com wahlpe...@aol.com schrieb am Fr, 19.8.2011: Von: wahlpe...@aol.com wahlpe...@aol.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Cat Mountain on Ebay An: cdtuc...@cox.net, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Datum: Freitag, 19. August, 2011 16:29 Uhr Hi Carl, These are truly amazing finds. This is a great example to everyone that if one meteorite is found return and check for more pieces. Who knows, you may find something from a different fall. The number one key is to spend time in the field and to have fun! Sonny -Original Message- From: cdtucson cdtuc...@cox.net To: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; wahlperry wahlpe...@aol.com Sent: Fri, Aug 19, 2011 3:00 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Cat Mountain on Ebay Sonny,This is interesting because the seller and finder are also the original finders of Snyder Hill back in 1995. They also found a pecan sized cat MT I was never aware of that Bob Haag never got added to the official record.I also had no idea they were the finders of this new Cat MT find until now but, I actually took them to the Cat MT strewnfield back in 1995 and I was with them when they originally found Snyder Hill.It was interesting because Mike Holden and Jerome Johnson found the first half of Snyder Hill and the very next day Dave found the other half on the opposite side of the hill. It seems it had struck the hill and each half went it's own direction. They were later reunited and they fit perfectly back together.Bob Haag has said it a million times. Go back and search where meteorites have been found before. It worked again. I talked to Dave tonight for the first time since 1995 and he told me he had not ever been back since his first find until this past March when he found this latest Cat MT. 001. This story has another interesting twist to it. Back then everyone was worried about ownership. For this reason everyone was afraid to mention find locations. There was no Met-list to ask questions. Only rumors. Long story short the true find location of Snyder Hill was eventually correctly documented and named appropriately. Tonight Dave said he went back to the hill because that is the only place he had ever found a meteorite and low and behold he found another of the holy grail of all impact melt breccias. A new Cat MT itself. He says he sold it to Ruben for a pile of money and some nice meteorites were thrown in on the deal. So, looks like Dave finds meteorites every time he hunts. Even if they were 16 years apart. Great job Dave.Carl-- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. wahlpe...@aol.com wrote: Hi List, Cat Mountain for sale on Ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com/Cat-Mountian-meteorite-001-/330599015532?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item4cf93ca46c __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list__Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.htmlMeteorite-list mailing listMeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comhttp://six.pairlist.net/mailman/li stinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Sorry, the correct weight for Cat Mountain 2 was around 168 grams before a small cut was made and 164.5 after. here it is http://s1090.photobucket.com/albums/i361/Airmuseum1/Meteorite%20Finds/ On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 9:38 AM, Ruben Garcia mrmeteor...@gmail.com wrote: Oops, I forgot to say that the original Cat Mountain was named Cat Mountain. The second stone, the size of a pecan - if there is one - was never classified. So it has no number. My half stone 61.03 grams from the 107 total stone weight is Cat Mountain 1 and the 168 gram Stone is Cat Mountain 2 On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 2:47 AM, Regine Petersen fips_br...@yahoo.de wrote: Hi Sonny and list, can someone clarify some things for me? I find it a bit confusing, so excuse me if I ask obvious questions. These are the facts as far as I have understood them: Apart from the first Cat Mountain find there was Snyder Hill, which was not part of the same fall and only found while looking for further Cat Mountain pieces. There was another small Cat Mountain found by Robert Haag which didn't get classified. Now hunters were searching the Snyder Hill site and found two more Cat Mountains which are now sold on ebay. Who found the rocks, Count Deiro or the hunters who have also found the Snyder Hill piece? Who is selling them? And why was the third rock which was found designated 001? The second one hasn't been classified, but wouldn't the original find get the first number? Pretty amazing finds :-) Regine --- wahlpe...@aol.com wahlpe...@aol.com schrieb am Fr, 19.8.2011: Von: wahlpe...@aol.com wahlpe...@aol.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Cat Mountain on Ebay An: cdtuc...@cox.net, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Datum: Freitag, 19. August, 2011 16:29 Uhr Hi Carl, These are truly amazing finds. This is a great example to everyone that if one meteorite is found return and check for more pieces. Who knows, you may find something from a different fall. The number one key is to spend time in the field and to have fun! Sonny -Original Message- From: cdtucson cdtuc...@cox.net To: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; wahlperry wahlpe...@aol.com Sent: Fri, Aug 19, 2011 3:00 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Cat Mountain on Ebay Sonny,This is interesting because the seller and finder are also the original finders of Snyder Hill back in 1995. They also found a pecan sized cat MT I was never aware of that Bob Haag never got added to the official record.I also had no idea they were the finders of this new Cat MT find until now but, I actually took them to the Cat MT strewnfield back in 1995 and I was with them when they originally found Snyder Hill.It was interesting because Mike Holden and Jerome Johnson found the first half of Snyder Hill and the very next day Dave found the other half on the opposite side of the hill. It seems it had struck the hill and each half went it's own direction. They were later reunited and they fit perfectly back together.Bob Haag has said it a million times. Go back and search where meteorites have been found before. It worked again. I talked to Dave tonight for the first time since 1995 and he told me he had not ever been back since his first find until this past March when he found this latest Cat MT. 001. This story has another interesting twist to it. Back then everyone was worried about ownership. For this reason everyone was afraid to mention find locations. There was no Met-list to ask questions. Only rumors. Long story short the true find location of Snyder Hill was eventually correctly documented and named appropriately. Tonight Dave said he went back to the hill because that is the only place he had ever found a meteorite and low and behold he found another of the holy grail of all impact melt breccias. A new Cat MT itself. He says he sold it to Ruben for a pile of money and some nice meteorites were thrown in on the deal. So, looks like Dave finds meteorites every time he hunts. Even if they were 16 years apart. Great job Dave.Carl-- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. wahlpe...@aol.com wrote: Hi List, Cat Mountain for sale on Ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com/Cat-Mountian-meteorite-001-/330599015532?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item4cf93ca46c __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list__Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.htmlMeteorite-list mailing listMeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comhttp://six.pairlist.net/mailman/li stinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit
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I see. Since there is no NWA or SaU without a number and the Cat Mountain area is not a vast desert either the numbers don't seem to make sense to me. But in the end I might care about it as much as the rocks do... Cheers, R. --- cdtuc...@cox.net cdtuc...@cox.net schrieb am Sa, 20.8.2011: Von: cdtuc...@cox.net cdtuc...@cox.net Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Cat Mountain on EBay An: Regine Petersen fips_br...@yahoo.de, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, wahlpe...@aol.com Datum: Samstag, 20. August, 2011 16:02 Uhr Regine, To be clear. I will answer your questions in ALL CAPS below after each question. Regine Petersen fips_br...@yahoo.de wrote: Hi Sonny and list, can someone clarify some things for me? I find it a bit confusing, so excuse me if I ask obvious questions. These are the facts as far as I have understood them: Apart from the first Cat Mountain find there was Snyder Hill, which was not part of the same fall and only found while looking for further Cat Mountain pieces. THIS IS CORRECT. IT HAS NOT BEEN LINKED TO CAT MT BUT, THEY ARE THE SAME CLASSIFICATION OF L5 WHICH IN AND OF ITSELF SEEMS A BIT COINCIDENTAL. ALTHOUGH THEY LOOK NOTHING ALIKE. There was another small Cat Mountain found by Robert Haag which didn't get classified. TECHNICALLY IT WAS A PECAN SIZED PIECE FOUND DURING THE SEARCH BACK IN 1995 AND ALSO FOUND BY THE SAME GROUP THAT FOUND SNYDER HILL BUT WAS IMMEDIATELY SOLD TO ROBERT HAAG. AND HE NEVER DID GET IT CLASSIFIED. Now hunters were searching the Snyder Hill site and found two more Cat Mountains which are now sold on eBay. NO. TWO MORE PIECES HAVE BEEN FOUND BUT ONLY PART OF ONE OF THEM HAS BEEN SOLD ON EBAY TO RUBEN. THE PIECE SOLD ON EBAY TO RUBEN WEIGHED 61 GRAMS AND WAS PART OF THE RECENT 107 GRAM FIND. THE OTHER 170 GRAM FIND REMAINS AVAILABLE FOR SALE BY COUNT DEIRO. Who found the rocks, Count Deiro or the hunters who have also found the Snyder Hill piece? THE COUNT IS NOT SAYING WHO FOUND THE SECOND ONE BUT THE FIRST WAS FOUND BY THE SAME FELLOW (DAVE JOHNSON) WHO FOUND THE SNYDER HILL AND THE ONE SOLD TO ROBERT HAAG.. Who is selling them? And why was the third rock which was found designated 001? THE SECOND ROCK WAS THE ONE DESIGNATED 001 AND THE THIRD ONE WHICH IS STILL BEING OFFERED BY THE COUNT IS 002. IT WEIGHS 164.5 GRAMS The second one hasn't been classified, but wouldn't the original find get the first number? NO. THE ORIGINAL FIND GETS THE NAME. TECHNICALLY THE FOLLOWING FINDS GET THE SAME NAME WITH SEQUENTIAL NUMBERS AFTER THE NAME BUT THIS IS THE CONFUSING PART. I THOUGHT THEY ONLY GOT DIFFERENT NUMBERS IF THEY WERE FOUND TO BE A DIFFERENT CLASSIFICATION. THE REASON I AM CONFUSED IS THAT SNYDER HILL SEEMS LIKE IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN CALLED CAT MT. 001 AS IT WAS FOUND IN THE CAT MT STREWNFIELD BUT IT GOT A SEPARATE NAME. SO, MY QUESTION IS ; WHICH IS THE CORRECT WAY TO NAME THESE NOW FIVE METEORITES? THERE IS CAT MT THE ORIGINAL AND MAIN MASS. AND THREE OTHER RELATED ROCKS ONE PECAN SIZE ROCK SOLD TO HAAG. ONE 107 GRAM ROCK PART OF WHICH WAS SOLD TO RUBEN AND THE LAST ONE OF 170 GRAMS THE COUNT IS SELLING 164.5 GRAMS OF NOW. AND THERE IS SNYDER HILL.. IS THERE A TRUE OFFICIAL WAY TO DO THIS? CARL Pretty amazing finds :-) Regine --- wahlpe...@aol.com wahlpe...@aol.com schrieb am Fr, 19.8.2011: Von: wahlpe...@aol.com wahlpe...@aol.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Cat Mountain on Ebay An: cdtuc...@cox.net, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Datum: Freitag, 19. August, 2011 16:29 Uhr Hi Carl, These are truly amazing finds. This is a great example to everyone that if one meteorite is found return and check for more pieces. Who knows, you may find something from a different fall. The number one key is to spend time in the field and to have fun! Sonny -Original Message- From: cdtucson cdtuc...@cox.net To: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; wahlperry wahlpe...@aol.com Sent: Fri, Aug 19, 2011 3:00 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Cat Mountain on Ebay Sonny,This is interesting because the seller and finder are also the original finders of Snyder Hill back in 1995. They also found a pecan sized cat MT I was never aware of that Bob Haag never got added to the official record.I also had no idea they were the finders of this new Cat MT find until now but, I actually took them to the Cat MT strewnfield back in 1995 and I was with them when they originally found Snyder Hill.It was interesting because Mike Holden and Jerome Johnson found the first half of Snyder Hill and the very next day Dave found the other half on the opposite side of the hill. It seems it had struck the hill and each half went it's own direction. They were later reunited and they fit perfectly back together.Bob Haag has said it a million
Re: [meteorite-list] Cat Mountain on Ebay
Hi Regine, As the new owner of a 61.3 gram Cat Mountain half stone - and after spending two days hunting the area - I am writing an article about it. I have talked to the finder and to Count - no they are not the same person. The short version is this - as I'm saving the long version for an article. It was found by the guys that found the Snider hill meteorite. They went back after many years to spend time together as they had not seen each other in a while. They found the 107 gram stone in March 2011 within minutes of arriving. They contacted some noticeable hunter/collectors who dismissed the stone as slag. Eventually they contacted Count who after studying the stone orchestrated the classification via Ted Bunch and for his efforts earned about 20% of the stone. The 164 grams stone was found earlier this month, Aug 2 2011. From what I am told there are only 3 stones authenticated and 2 were done this year. The Largest and first Cat Mountain (2.7 kilo) was found in 1981 but not identified/ classified until 1992. My 61.3 gram specimen is what was left from the 107 gram after Count and NAU got their share. The 164 gram stone was found by a hunter and given to Count to sell. He is currently taking offers. Count can correct me if I'm wrong - but to me this is the way it all fits together. On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 2:47 AM, Regine Petersen fips_br...@yahoo.de wrote: Hi Sonny and list, can someone clarify some things for me? I find it a bit confusing, so excuse me if I ask obvious questions. These are the facts as far as I have understood them: Apart from the first Cat Mountain find there was Snyder Hill, which was not part of the same fall and only found while looking for further Cat Mountain pieces. There was another small Cat Mountain found by Robert Haag which didn't get classified. Now hunters were searching the Snyder Hill site and found two more Cat Mountains which are now sold on ebay. Who found the rocks, Count Deiro or the hunters who have also found the Snyder Hill piece? Who is selling them? And why was the third rock which was found designated 001? The second one hasn't been classified, but wouldn't the original find get the first number? Pretty amazing finds :-) Regine --- wahlpe...@aol.com wahlpe...@aol.com schrieb am Fr, 19.8.2011: Von: wahlpe...@aol.com wahlpe...@aol.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Cat Mountain on Ebay An: cdtuc...@cox.net, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Datum: Freitag, 19. August, 2011 16:29 Uhr Hi Carl, These are truly amazing finds. This is a great example to everyone that if one meteorite is found return and check for more pieces. Who knows, you may find something from a different fall. The number one key is to spend time in the field and to have fun! Sonny -Original Message- From: cdtucson cdtuc...@cox.net To: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; wahlperry wahlpe...@aol.com Sent: Fri, Aug 19, 2011 3:00 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Cat Mountain on Ebay Sonny,This is interesting because the seller and finder are also the original finders of Snyder Hill back in 1995. They also found a pecan sized cat MT I was never aware of that Bob Haag never got added to the official record.I also had no idea they were the finders of this new Cat MT find until now but, I actually took them to the Cat MT strewnfield back in 1995 and I was with them when they originally found Snyder Hill.It was interesting because Mike Holden and Jerome Johnson found the first half of Snyder Hill and the very next day Dave found the other half on the opposite side of the hill. It seems it had struck the hill and each half went it's own direction. They were later reunited and they fit perfectly back together.Bob Haag has said it a million times. Go back and search where meteorites have been found before. It worked again. I talked to Dave tonight for the first time since 1995 and he told me he had not ever been back since his first find until this past March when he found this latest Cat MT. 001. This story has another interesting twist to it. Back then everyone was worried about ownership. For this reason everyone was afraid to mention find locations. There was no Met-list to ask questions. Only rumors. Long story short the true find location of Snyder Hill was eventually correctly documented and named appropriately. Tonight Dave said he went back to the hill because that is the only place he had ever found a meteorite and low and behold he found another of the holy grail of all impact melt breccias. A new Cat MT itself. He says he sold it to Ruben for a pile of money and some nice meteorites were thrown in on the deal. So, looks like Dave finds meteorites every time he hunts. Even if they were 16 years apart. Great job Dave.Carl-- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. wahlpe
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Oops, I forgot to say that the original Cat Mountain was named Cat Mountain. The second stone, the size of a pecan - if there is one - was never classified. So it has no number. My half stone 61.03 grams from the 107 total stone weight is Cat Mountain 1 and the 168 gram Stone is Cat Mountain 2 On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 2:47 AM, Regine Petersen fips_br...@yahoo.de wrote: Hi Sonny and list, can someone clarify some things for me? I find it a bit confusing, so excuse me if I ask obvious questions. These are the facts as far as I have understood them: Apart from the first Cat Mountain find there was Snyder Hill, which was not part of the same fall and only found while looking for further Cat Mountain pieces. There was another small Cat Mountain found by Robert Haag which didn't get classified. Now hunters were searching the Snyder Hill site and found two more Cat Mountains which are now sold on ebay. Who found the rocks, Count Deiro or the hunters who have also found the Snyder Hill piece? Who is selling them? And why was the third rock which was found designated 001? The second one hasn't been classified, but wouldn't the original find get the first number? Pretty amazing finds :-) Regine --- wahlpe...@aol.com wahlpe...@aol.com schrieb am Fr, 19.8.2011: Von: wahlpe...@aol.com wahlpe...@aol.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Cat Mountain on Ebay An: cdtuc...@cox.net, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Datum: Freitag, 19. August, 2011 16:29 Uhr Hi Carl, These are truly amazing finds. This is a great example to everyone that if one meteorite is found return and check for more pieces. Who knows, you may find something from a different fall. The number one key is to spend time in the field and to have fun! Sonny -Original Message- From: cdtucson cdtuc...@cox.net To: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; wahlperry wahlpe...@aol.com Sent: Fri, Aug 19, 2011 3:00 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Cat Mountain on Ebay Sonny,This is interesting because the seller and finder are also the original finders of Snyder Hill back in 1995. They also found a pecan sized cat MT I was never aware of that Bob Haag never got added to the official record.I also had no idea they were the finders of this new Cat MT find until now but, I actually took them to the Cat MT strewnfield back in 1995 and I was with them when they originally found Snyder Hill.It was interesting because Mike Holden and Jerome Johnson found the first half of Snyder Hill and the very next day Dave found the other half on the opposite side of the hill. It seems it had struck the hill and each half went it's own direction. They were later reunited and they fit perfectly back together.Bob Haag has said it a million times. Go back and search where meteorites have been found before. It worked again. I talked to Dave tonight for the first time since 1995 and he told me he had not ever been back since his first find until this past March when he found this latest Cat MT. 001. This story has another interesting twist to it. Back then everyone was worried about ownership. For this reason everyone was afraid to mention find locations. There was no Met-list to ask questions. Only rumors. Long story short the true find location of Snyder Hill was eventually correctly documented and named appropriately. Tonight Dave said he went back to the hill because that is the only place he had ever found a meteorite and low and behold he found another of the holy grail of all impact melt breccias. A new Cat MT itself. He says he sold it to Ruben for a pile of money and some nice meteorites were thrown in on the deal. So, looks like Dave finds meteorites every time he hunts. Even if they were 16 years apart. Great job Dave.Carl-- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. wahlpe...@aol.com wrote: Hi List, Cat Mountain for sale on Ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com/Cat-Mountian-meteorite-001-/330599015532?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item4cf93ca46c __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list__Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.htmlMeteorite-list mailing listMeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comhttp://six.pairlist.net/mailman/li stinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http
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Regine, To be clear. I will answer your questions in ALL CAPS below after each question. Regine Petersen fips_br...@yahoo.de wrote: Hi Sonny and list, can someone clarify some things for me? I find it a bit confusing, so excuse me if I ask obvious questions. These are the facts as far as I have understood them: Apart from the first Cat Mountain find there was Snyder Hill, which was not part of the same fall and only found while looking for further Cat Mountain pieces. THIS IS CORRECT. IT HAS NOT BEEN LINKED TO CAT MT BUT, THEY ARE THE SAME CLASSIFICATION OF L5 WHICH IN AND OF ITSELF SEEMS A BIT COINCIDENTAL. ALTHOUGH THEY LOOK NOTHING ALIKE. There was another small Cat Mountain found by Robert Haag which didn't get classified. TECHNICALLY IT WAS A PECAN SIZED PIECE FOUND DURING THE SEARCH BACK IN 1995 AND ALSO FOUND BY THE SAME GROUP THAT FOUND SNYDER HILL BUT WAS IMMEDIATELY SOLD TO ROBERT HAAG. AND HE NEVER DID GET IT CLASSIFIED. Now hunters were searching the Snyder Hill site and found two more Cat Mountains which are now sold on eBay. NO. TWO MORE PIECES HAVE BEEN FOUND BUT ONLY PART OF ONE OF THEM HAS BEEN SOLD ON EBAY TO RUBEN. THE PIECE SOLD ON EBAY TO RUBEN WEIGHED 61 GRAMS AND WAS PART OF THE RECENT 107 GRAM FIND. THE OTHER 170 GRAM FIND REMAINS AVAILABLE FOR SALE BY COUNT DEIRO. Who found the rocks, Count Deiro or the hunters who have also found the Snyder Hill piece? THE COUNT IS NOT SAYING WHO FOUND THE SECOND ONE BUT THE FIRST WAS FOUND BY THE SAME FELLOW (DAVE JOHNSON) WHO FOUND THE SNYDER HILL AND THE ONE SOLD TO ROBERT HAAG.. Who is selling them? And why was the third rock which was found designated 001? THE SECOND ROCK WAS THE ONE DESIGNATED 001 AND THE THIRD ONE WHICH IS STILL BEING OFFERED BY THE COUNT IS 002. IT WEIGHS 164.5 GRAMS The second one hasn't been classified, but wouldn't the original find get the first number? NO. THE ORIGINAL FIND GETS THE NAME. TECHNICALLY THE FOLLOWING FINDS GET THE SAME NAME WITH SEQUENTIAL NUMBERS AFTER THE NAME BUT THIS IS THE CONFUSING PART. I THOUGHT THEY ONLY GOT DIFFERENT NUMBERS IF THEY WERE FOUND TO BE A DIFFERENT CLASSIFICATION. THE REASON I AM CONFUSED IS THAT SNYDER HILL SEEMS LIKE IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN CALLED CAT MT. 001 AS IT WAS FOUND IN THE CAT MT STREWNFIELD BUT IT GOT A SEPARATE NAME. SO, MY QUESTION IS ; WHICH IS THE CORRECT WAY TO NAME THESE NOW FIVE METEORITES? THERE IS CAT MT THE ORIGINAL AND MAIN MASS. AND THREE OTHER RELATED ROCKS ONE PECAN SIZE ROCK SOLD TO HAAG. ONE 107 GRAM ROCK PART OF WHICH WAS SOLD TO RUBEN AND THE LAST ONE OF 170 GRAMS THE COUNT IS SELLING 164.5 GRAMS OF NOW. AND THERE IS SNYDER HILL.. IS THERE A TRUE OFFICIAL WAY TO DO THIS? CARL Pretty amazing finds :-) Regine --- wahlpe...@aol.com wahlpe...@aol.com schrieb am Fr, 19.8.2011: Von: wahlpe...@aol.com wahlpe...@aol.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Cat Mountain on Ebay An: cdtuc...@cox.net, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Datum: Freitag, 19. August, 2011 16:29 Uhr Hi Carl, These are truly amazing finds. This is a great example to everyone that if one meteorite is found return and check for more pieces. Who knows, you may find something from a different fall. The number one key is to spend time in the field and to have fun! Sonny -Original Message- From: cdtucson cdtuc...@cox.net To: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; wahlperry wahlpe...@aol.com Sent: Fri, Aug 19, 2011 3:00 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Cat Mountain on Ebay Sonny,This is interesting because the seller and finder are also the original finders of Snyder Hill back in 1995. They also found a pecan sized cat MT I was never aware of that Bob Haag never got added to the official record.I also had no idea they were the finders of this new Cat MT find until now but, I actually took them to the Cat MT strewnfield back in 1995 and I was with them when they originally found Snyder Hill.It was interesting because Mike Holden and Jerome Johnson found the first half of Snyder Hill and the very next day Dave found the other half on the opposite side of the hill. It seems it had struck the hill and each half went it's own direction. They were later reunited and they fit perfectly back together.Bob Haag has said it a million times. Go back and search where meteorites have been found before. It worked again. I talked to Dave tonight for the first time since 1995 and he told me he had not ever been back since his first find until this past March when he found this latest Cat MT. 001. This story has another interesting twist to it. Back then everyone was worried about ownership. For this reason everyone was afraid to mention find locations. There was no Met-list to ask questions. Only rumors. Long story short the true find location of Snyder Hill was eventually correctly documented and named appropriately. Tonight Dave said he went back to the hill
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Thank you Carl for that clear explanation, actually I was in the corner on this one with Regine - couldn't follow any of this unambiguously until now, but simply though I'd wait until it was properly aged for public consumption to ask. Way to go Ruben! Carl, Your question about Bob Haag's pecan-sized piece you already answered yourself - if it hasn't been classified and it is not obviously paired to Cat Mountain by reasonable cause, then it is simply an unclassified stone believed to be a meteorite - so it would get no number unless it were submitted with the same batch containing the numbers - logically they would all be provisional numbers until a decision is made whether to 'officially' keep numbers or not. I think Rob or someone else may have asked this (I wondered at the time as well), never saw the answer - but what is this 001 and 002 business - has NomCom decided that this is now a dense desert? Sounds like it, and given Carl's answers, rightly so but none of this was clear to me until Carl made this post. Finally, can someone say why those incredible US Martians: LA001 and LA002 got numbers if they are considered paired? Bob? There's no LA003 through LA00n that I'm aware of ... Can a slice of one be distingueshed from another? Are there other examples of unique / closed numbering? What ever happened to the protocol of (a), (b), (c), ... Kindest wishes Doug -Original Message- From: Regine Petersen fips_br...@yahoo.de To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; wahlpe...@aol.com; cdtuc...@cox.net Sent: Sat, Aug 20, 2011 11:54 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Cat Mountain on EBay I see. Since there is no NWA or SaU without a number and the Cat Mountain area is not a vast desert either the numbers don't seem to make sense to me. But in the end I might care about it as much as the rocks do... Cheers, R. --- cdtuc...@cox.net cdtuc...@cox.net schrieb am Sa, 20.8.2011: Von: cdtuc...@cox.net cdtuc...@cox.net Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Cat Mountain on EBay An: Regine Petersen fips_br...@yahoo.de, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, wahlpe...@aol.com Datum: Samstag, 20. August, 2011 16:02 Uhr Regine, To be clear. I will answer your questions in ALL CAPS below after each question. Regine Petersen fips_br...@yahoo.de wrote: Hi Sonny and list, can someone clarify some things for me? I find it a bit confusing, so excuse me if I ask obvious questions. These are the facts as far as I have understood them: Apart from the first Cat Mountain find there was Snyder Hill, which was not part of the same fall and only found while looking for further Cat Mountain pieces. THIS IS CORRECT. IT HAS NOT BEEN LINKED TO CAT MT BUT, THEY ARE THE SAME CLASSIFICATION OF L5 WHICH IN AND OF ITSELF SEEMS A BIT COINCIDENTAL. ALTHOUGH THEY LOOK NOTHING ALIKE. There was another small Cat Mountain found by Robert Haag which didn't get classified. TECHNICALLY IT WAS A PECAN SIZED PIECE FOUND DURING THE SEARCH BACK IN 1995 AND ALSO FOUND BY THE SAME GROUP THAT FOUND SNYDER HILL BUT WAS IMMEDIATELY SOLD TO ROBERT HAAG. AND HE NEVER DID GET IT CLASSIFIED. Now hunters were searching the Snyder Hill site and found two more Cat Mountains which are now sold on eBay. NO. TWO MORE PIECES HAVE BEEN FOUND BUT ONLY PART OF ONE OF THEM HAS BEEN SOLD ON EBAY TO RUBEN. THE PIECE SOLD ON EBAY TO RUBEN WEIGHED 61 GRAMS AND WAS PART OF THE RECENT 107 GRAM FIND. THE OTHER 170 GRAM FIND REMAINS AVAILABLE FOR SALE BY COUNT DEIRO. Who found the rocks, Count Deiro or the hunters who have also found the Snyder Hill piece? THE COUNT IS NOT SAYING WHO FOUND THE SECOND ONE BUT THE FIRST WAS FOUND BY THE SAME FELLOW (DAVE JOHNSON) WHO FOUND THE SNYDER HILL AND THE ONE SOLD TO ROBERT HAAG.. Who is selling them? And why was the third rock which was found designated 001? THE SECOND ROCK WAS THE ONE DESIGNATED 001 AND THE THIRD ONE WHICH IS STILL BEING OFFERED BY THE COUNT IS 002. IT WEIGHS 164.5 GRAMS The second one hasn't been classified, but wouldn't the original find get the first number? NO. THE ORIGINAL FIND GETS THE NAME. TECHNICALLY THE FOLLOWING FINDS GET THE SAME NAME WITH SEQUENTIAL NUMBERS AFTER THE NAME BUT THIS IS THE CONFUSING PART. I THOUGHT THEY ONLY GOT DIFFERENT NUMBERS IF THEY WERE FOUND TO BE A DIFFERENT CLASSIFICATION. THE REASON I AM CONFUSED IS THAT SNYDER HILL SEEMS LIKE IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN CALLED CAT MT. 001 AS IT WAS FOUND IN THE CAT MT STREWNFIELD BUT IT GOT A SEPARATE NAME. SO, MY QUESTION IS ; WHICH IS THE CORRECT WAY TO NAME THESE NOW FIVE METEORITES? THERE IS CAT MT THE ORIGINAL AND MAIN MASS. AND THREE OTHER RELATED ROCKS ONE PECAN SIZE ROCK SOLD TO HAAG. ONE 107 GRAM ROCK PART OF WHICH WAS SOLD TO RUBEN AND THE LAST ONE OF 170 GRAMS THE COUNT IS SELLING 164.5 GRAMS OF NOW. AND THERE IS SNYDER HILL.. IS THERE A TRUE OFFICIAL WAY TO DO THIS? CARL Pretty amazing finds :-) Regine --- wahlpe...@aol.com wahlpe...@aol.com schrieb am Fr
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a Cat wouldn't find its kitten here/there... just kidding... (a saying in French meaning: a messy or complicated situation or place) All the best Michael B. From: Ruben Garcia Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 6:40 PM To: Regine Petersen Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com ; wahlpe...@aol.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Cat Mountain on Ebay Sorry, the correct weight for Cat Mountain 2 was around 168 grams before a small cut was made and 164.5 after. here it is http://s1090.photobucket.com/albums/i361/Airmuseum1/Meteorite%20Finds/ On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 9:38 AM, Ruben Garcia mrmeteor...@gmail.com wrote: Oops, I forgot to say that the original Cat Mountain was named Cat Mountain. The second stone, the size of a pecan - if there is one - was never classified. So it has no number. My half stone 61.03 grams from the 107 total stone weight is Cat Mountain 1 and the 168 gram Stone is Cat Mountain 2 On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 2:47 AM, Regine Petersen fips_br...@yahoo.de wrote: Hi Sonny and list, can someone clarify some things for me? I find it a bit confusing, so excuse me if I ask obvious questions. These are the facts as far as I have understood them: Apart from the first Cat Mountain find there was Snyder Hill, which was not part of the same fall and only found while looking for further Cat Mountain pieces. There was another small Cat Mountain found by Robert Haag which didn't get classified. Now hunters were searching the Snyder Hill site and found two more Cat Mountains which are now sold on ebay. Who found the rocks, Count Deiro or the hunters who have also found the Snyder Hill piece? Who is selling them? And why was the third rock which was found designated 001? The second one hasn't been classified, but wouldn't the original find get the first number? Pretty amazing finds :-) Regine __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Doug, I asked Bob Verish about this a few months ago. The MetBul does not show number designations, it recognizes two stones that make up the TKW for the Los Angeles meteorite. The 001 and 002 designations were internal to Mr. Verish for his own record keeping, but I believe he said (and I hope he'll chime in and correct me if I am mistaken) he used them publically a few times and without realizing it the number designation spread. -Michael in so. Cal. On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 12:13 PM, MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com wrote: ... Finally, can someone say why those incredible US Martians: LA001 and LA002 got numbers if they are considered paired? Bob? There's no LA003 through LA00n that I'm aware of ... Can a slice of one be distingueshed from another? Are there other examples of unique / closed numbering? What ever happened to the protocol of (a), (b), (c), ... Kindest wishes Doug __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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I would think each would be called Cat Mountain, if they are all classified the same as the first one and were found in the same area, suggesting a strewn field. There are no Franconia 002 or Gold Basin 002. I guess the 'name' of a meteorite is one of a single stone or the strewn field. My few grams worth. Congratulations to all the finders of the new stones and to Count on getting the classification done. I also look forward to Rubin's article. Greg S Sent from my iPhone On Aug 20, 2011, at 2:25 PM, Michael Mulgrew mikest...@gmail.com wrote: Doug, I asked Bob Verish about this a few months ago. The MetBul does not show number designations, it recognizes two stones that make up the TKW for the Los Angeles meteorite. The 001 and 002 designations were internal to Mr. Verish for his own record keeping, but I believe he said (and I hope he'll chime in and correct me if I am mistaken) he used them publically a few times and without realizing it the number designation spread. -Michael in so. Cal. On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 12:13 PM, MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com wrote: ... Finally, can someone say why those incredible US Martians: LA001 and LA002 got numbers if they are considered paired? Bob? There's no LA003 through LA00n that I'm aware of ... Can a slice of one be distingueshed from another? Are there other examples of unique / closed numbering? What ever happened to the protocol of (a), (b), (c), ... Kindest wishes Doug __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Sonny, This is interesting because the seller and finder are also the original finders of Snyder Hill back in 1995. They also found a pecan sized cat MT I was never aware of that Bob Haag never got added to the official record. I also had no idea they were the finders of this new Cat MT find until now but, I actually took them to the Cat MT strewnfield back in 1995 and I was with them when they originally found Snyder Hill. It was interesting because Mike Holden and Jerome Johnson found the first half of Snyder Hill and the very next day Dave found the other half on the opposite side of the hill. It seems it had struck the hill and each half went it's own direction. They were later reunited and they fit perfectly back together. Bob Haag has said it a million times. Go back and search where meteorites have been found before. It worked again. I talked to Dave tonight for the first time since 1995 and he told me he had not ever been back since his first find until this past March when he found this latest Cat MT. 001. This story has another interesting twist to it. Back then everyone was worried about ownership. For this reason everyone was afraid to mention find locations. There was no Met-list to ask questions. Only rumors. Long story short the true find location of Snyder Hill was eventually correctly documented and named appropriately. Tonight Dave said he went back to the hill because that is the only place he had ever found a meteorite and low and behold he found another of the holy grail of all impact melt breccias. A new Cat MT itself. He says he sold it to Ruben for a pile of money and some nice meteorites were thrown in on the deal. So, looks like Dave finds meteorites every time he hunts. Even if they were 16 years apart. Great job Dave. Carl -- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. wahlpe...@aol.com wrote: Hi List, Cat Mountain for sale on Ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com/Cat-Mountian-meteorite-001-/330599015532?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item4cf93ca46c __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Carl, These are truly amazing finds. This is a great example to everyone that if one meteorite is found return and check for more pieces. Who knows, you may find something from a different fall. The number one key is to spend time in the field and to have fun! Sonny -Original Message- From: cdtucson cdtuc...@cox.net To: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; wahlperry wahlpe...@aol.com Sent: Fri, Aug 19, 2011 3:00 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Cat Mountain on Ebay Sonny,This is interesting because the seller and finder are also the original finders of Snyder Hill back in 1995. They also found a pecan sized cat MT I was never aware of that Bob Haag never got added to the official record.I also had no idea they were the finders of this new Cat MT find until now but, I actually took them to the Cat MT strewnfield back in 1995 and I was with them when they originally found Snyder Hill.It was interesting because Mike Holden and Jerome Johnson found the first half of Snyder Hill and the very next day Dave found the other half on the opposite side of the hill. It seems it had struck the hill and each half went it's own direction. They were later reunited and they fit perfectly back together.Bob Haag has said it a million times. Go back and search where meteorites have been found before. It worked again. I talked to Dave tonight for the first time since 1995 and he told me he had not ever been back since his first find until this past March when he found this latest Cat MT. 001. This story has another interesting twist to it. Back then everyone was worried about ownership. For this reason everyone was afraid to mention find locations. There was no Met-list to ask questions. Only rumors. Long story short the true find location of Snyder Hill was eventually correctly documented and named appropriately. Tonight Dave said he went back to the hill because that is the only place he had ever found a meteorite and low and behold he found another of the holy grail of all impact melt breccias. A new Cat MT itself. He says he sold it to Ruben for a pile of money and some nice meteorites were thrown in on the deal. So, looks like Dave finds meteorites every time he hunts. Even if they were 16 years apart. Great job Dave.Carl-- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. wahlpe...@aol.com wrote: Hi List, Cat Mountain for sale on Ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com/Cat-Mountian-meteorite-001-/330599015532?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item4cf93ca46c __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list__Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.htmlMeteorite-list mailing listMeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comhttp://six.pairlist.net/mailman/li stinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi List, Cat Mountain for sale on Ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com/Cat-Mountian-meteorite-001-/330599015532?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item4cf93ca46c __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
