[meteorite-list] Correction: Its "South Korea" not "North Korea"
Hi, "Suspected extraterrestial impact crater reported from North Korea" should read "Suspected extraterrestial impact crater reported from South. Korea." Apologies for the brain fart. Paul H. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist2.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Correction - Antarctic meteorite might explain mystery of life's weird asymmetry
In my last post, I wrote: > Pristine Space Rock Offers NASA Scientists > Peek at Evolution of Life’s Building Blocks > By Lonnie Shekhtman, NASA’s Goddard Space > Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md., August 21, 2020 > https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2020/pristine-space-rock-offers-nasa-scientistspeek-at-evolution-of-life-s-building-blocks The correct URL is: https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2020/pristine-space-rock-offers-nasa-scientists-peek-at-evolution-of-life-s-building-blocks Thanks for the head-ups about my mistake. Yours, Paul H. __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Correction - Younger Dryas Apocalypse
Hi, On 6/9/19 9:18 AM, Paul wrote: > Jaye, M., 2019. The Flooding of the Mediterranean > Basin at the Younger-Dryas Boundary. Mediterranean > Archaeology & Archaeometry, 19(1). > http://maajournal.com/Issues/2019/Vol19-1/7_Jaye%2019(1).pdf The URL for the paper was mangled. It can be accessed from http://maajournal.com/Issues2019a.php and http://maajournal.com/#mw999 Yours, Paul H. __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] CORRECTION> AD - Bondoc Whole Sale Slice Lot Information / Pictures I found some METAL
That last message list the price for both lots of slices as $280. It should have said $200 __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Correction - Weston to Creston write-up
All, I made a mistake in the list write-up announcing the sale of my book. It should have read 257 pages, not 157 pages. Thank you to all those who have purchased one. See you all in Tucson, Frank __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Correction to
Hi, Paul, List, > In "The Aliens are Silent Because > They are Dead," I wrote [summarizing]: > "The aliens are silent because they're > dead. Life on other planets would > probably go extinct soon after its > origin, due to runaway heating or > cooling on their fledgling planets." It seems an obvious cultural expression of the contemporary obsession with climate change for someone to assert that climate change would destroy ALL life on ALL planets capable of supporting it, whether the number of potential life- supporting planets is dozens, hundreds, thousands, or more. It's like a soap opera --- planets die young, they say. We anthropomorphize our science. James Lovelock proposed the Gaia Hypothesis (planets enter into a supportive symbiosis with life). Peter Ward proposed the Medea Hypothesis (planets try to destroy any life that arises on them). A challenge to this new hypothesis is how one could explain the survival of life on Earth for billions of years: why aren't we dead? And why didn't it happen long ago? Are we the only one to survive? Unlikely. But... where IS everybody? That question arises from a lunchtime discussion at Los Alamos in 1943. A tableful of the brightest minds in science agreed that there must be other intelligent life in the universe, then Enrico Fermi asked. "Well, where IS everybody?" and people have been trying to answer that question ever since. Great question. "If the Universe is Teeming with Aliens, Where is Everybody?" by Stephen Webb, provides 50 of the proposed answers to Fermi's Famous Question since 1943. A PDF of this book is available: http://book4you.org/book/511674/c8066c The download link is at the bottom of that page. I guess that "climate change" is Answer No. 51. Sterling Webb - -Original Message- From: Meteorite-list [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Paul via Meteorite-list Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 7:22 PM To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Correction to In "The Aliens are Silent Because They are Dead," I wrote: "The aliens are silent because they're dead. Life on other planets would probably go extinct soon after its origin, due to runaway heating or cooling on their fledgling planets." The correct URL for the first link should be: http://www.anu.edu.au/news/all-news/the-aliens-are-silent-because-they-are-e xtinct >Charles H Lineweaver Publications - >http://goo.gl/4PPGuK and http://goo.gl/1H99Rs The corrected URL for the first link should be: http://www.mso.anu.edu.au/~charley/publications.html or https://goo.gl/W30KtK Yours, Paul H. __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Correction to
In "The Aliens are Silent Because They are Dead," I wrote: > The aliens are silent because they're dead > Life on other planets would probably go > extinct soon after its origin, due to runaway > heating or cooling on their fledgling planets. > Australian National University, January 21, 2016 The correct URL for the first link should be: http://www.anu.edu.au/news/all-news/the-aliens-are-silent-because-they-are-extinct >Charles H Lineweaver Publications - >http://goo.gl/4PPGuK and http://goo.gl/1H99Rs The corrected URL for the first link should be: http://www.mso.anu.edu.au/~charley/publications.html or https://goo.gl/W30KtK Yours, Paul H. __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Correction to Double Impact Craters Post
The age of the craters is given as 458 ma, not 470 ma. I misread the text. Yours, Paul H. __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Correction To PDF File of Review Paper Related to Shiva Impact Theory
In my last email, I meant to write; In my last email, I totally garbled the last citation by being half asleep at the computer. The properly formatted version of it should be: Torsvik, T. H. H. Amundsen6, E. H. Hartz, F. Corfu N. Kusznir, C. Gaina, P. V. Doubrovine, B. Steinberger, L. D. Ashwal, and B. Jamtveit, 2013, A Precambrian microcontinent in the Indian OceanNature Geoscience. vol. 6, pp. 223–227. doi:10.1038/ngeo1736 http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v6/n3/full/ngeo1736.html http://www.readcube.com/articles/10.1038%2Fngeo1736 I need to get some sleep. Paul H. inselb...@cox.net wrote: Torsvik, T. H. H. Amundsen6, E. H. Hartz, F. Corfu, In my last email, I totally garbled the last citation by being half asleep at the computer. The properly formatted version of it should be: N. Kusznir, C. Gaina, P. V. Doubrovine, B. Steinberger, L. D. Ashwal, and B. Jamtveit, 2013, A Precambrian microcontinent in the Indian OceanNature Geoscience. vol. 6, pp. 223–227. doi:10.1038/ngeo1736 http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v6/n3/full/ngeo1736.html http://www.readcube.com/articles/10.1038%2Fngeo1736 Yours, Paul H. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Correction To PDF File of Review Paper Related to Shiva Impact Theory
Torsvik, T. H. H. Amundsen6, E. H. Hartz, F. Corfu, In my last email, I totally garbled the last citation by being half asleep at the computer. The properly formatted version of it should be: N. Kusznir, C. Gaina, P. V. Doubrovine, B. Steinberger, L. D. Ashwal, and B. Jamtveit, 2013, A Precambrian microcontinent in the Indian OceanNature Geoscience. vol. 6, pp. 223–227. doi:10.1038/ngeo1736 http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v6/n3/full/ngeo1736.html http://www.readcube.com/articles/10.1038%2Fngeo1736 Yours, Paul H. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Correction - New PhD. Dissertation About Younger Dryas Impact Hypothesis
In New PhD. Dissertation About Younger Dryas Impact Hypothesis at http://www.mail-archive.com/meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com/msg118345.html , I posted the incorrect URL for a poster about the Younger Dryas Impact Hypothesis. The correct URL is: van Hoesel, A., 2012, The Younger Dryas impact hypothesis: a critical review. (poster) https://www.academia.edu/1232265/The_Younger_Dryas_impact_hypothesis_a_critical_review Yours, Paul H. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://three.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Correction to Literature Searches with Google Scholar
In my last post, I gave the wrong URLs for an interesting paper about the limitations of using Google Scholar to search the scientific literature. The paper is: DeGraff, J. V., N. DeGraff, and H. C. Romesburg, 2013, Literature searches with Google Scholar: Knowing what you are and are not getting. GSA Today. vol. 23, no. 10, pp 44-45. The correct links are: PDF file at http://www.geosociety.org/gsatoday/archive/23/10/pdf/i1052-5173-23-10-44.pdf Online text at: http://www.geosociety.org/gsatoday/archive/23/10/article/i1052-5173-23-10-44.htm http://www.geosociety.org/gsatoday/archive/23/10/ Somehow I got the links / URLs confused with those of another paper. My apologies, Paul H. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] (CORRECTION) - Met Bulletin Update - Major NWA Update, 75 new approvals, many achondrites
Correction - the updates are not just from NWA. They are from deserts around the world. -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone - On 9/7/13, Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Bulletin Watchers, There are many new approvals from the NWA dense collection area. There are many types, including achondrites. There is an interesting update - a provisional NWA has been discredited and removed, to be replaced with a name - Taoudenni. Taoudenni - http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?code=51580 Link - http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?sea=%2Asfor=namesants=falls=valids=stype=containslrec=50map=gebrowse=country=Allsrt=namecateg=Allmblist=Allrect=phot=snew=2pnt=Normal%20tabledr=page=1 Best regards and happy huntings, MikeG -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone - __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] CORRECTION FOOTE SALE Update on Gary CJ Foote and SALE
Sorry - I realized my wording sounded like CJ had sent the meteorites to me - She only sent me the PHOTOS - CJ, herself, has the meteorites and Will be shipping directly to buyers. (I am just handling the website Work for her - they obviously could not wait until the next Tucson Meteorite Auction given the urgency of Gary's condition) Thanks, Michael On 8/30/13 6:12 AM, Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net wrote: Hi everyone, I spoke at some length with CJ, Gary Foote's loving and devoted wife. As most of you know, Gary is suffering from a terminal cancer - he Was given 3 to 6 months to live 3 years ago, but is hanging in there but is too weak to talk on the phone or email. Only 28 people have ever been diagnosed with his form of cancer - so, he is qualified for a trial therapy - with no blind group, so he will be actually receiving the treatment which has proven very successful in animals. However, he and CJ must relocate near the medical center as a 4 hr commute would not be endurable for him. They are in rather desperate need of money and Gary is selling ALL Of his meteorites. I have put up the first wave CJ was able to get to me And will be adding more every day until they are all up. There are already Many items in which, I am sure many of you will be interested. Everyone Will enjoy seeing the killer oriented specimen with a HUGE chondrule poking Its eye out at you. Many other items of interest as well. You can see what is up now at: http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/CJFooteD1_2013.html NOTE: No prices are being asked. Please offer what you can! (BUT, $ is needed, so any price is better than no price). Any offer made will be accepted if it is not exceeded by a higher offer within 24hrs - if there is a higher offer, then that offer will be accepted if not exceeded within 24hrs. Please contact CJ directly to make an offer ( for payments) Paypal is preferred (directly into the Foote PayPal account) CJ can be reached at: c...@webbers.com (which is also her PayPal account address) Please remember to check this site out daily until everything is up. http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/CJFooteD1_2013.html Thanks to all who help, Michael __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] correction addition
For clarification - Not 300, there will be over 400 photos on automatic loop taking about one hr to show all 400 photos (at about 7 seconds each) then start over again. Twink will be available for any questions. (you all should know that Twink gives and gives. She really is the Queen of the Tucson Show). For Absentee Bidders, the On-Line Auction Catalog is at: http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/AuctionTucson2013.html I'm startin' to feel that Tucson Feaver comin' on Michael On 1/19/13 7:39 PM, Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net wrote: Dear List Members, Chris Monrad (son of Twink) will be presenting over 300 photos From 5 PM to 7:30 PM in the room just off the auction. Photos will include: -All of the Gold Basin project hunts hunters who joined in later, -Tucson Show photos, -Jim Kriegh Twink Monrad parties at his house -Other misc. meteorite related photos -Classic photos of the late Jim Kriegh -Photos of O. Richard Norton -Photos of lots of the other meteorite folks. Of course, Twink will be presenting her famous Gold Basin Cake - and now paired with her Frankonia Cake. Unfortunately, this year the Auction Nymphs are scattered hither and Yon whilst those still in the Tucson area are hard at it for our dear Geoff Notkin and will not be teaming up this year. However, Cecil (who did the first several auctions with me) will be back in the mix and all will be covered. It is now getting LATE to enter Absentee Bids. Please get them in in the next 10 days. Thanks to alllooking foreword to seeing everyone at the Show! Michael __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] correction to Are Mars Meteorites Magnetic?
I have just finished reading an article about Rabies. IT was near the end when it said that the permeability of the brain-blood barrier was the key to treating rabies. Goran mentioned the incorrectness of the term permeability. I now concur with him. I shall now endevor to use the term magnetic permeability as this seems to describe what we are trying to convey. See his comments below. Pete Original Message Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Are Mars Meteorites Magnetic? From: Göran_Axelsson axels...@acc.umu.se Date: Sat, January 07, 2012 3:36 am To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Hi list and everyone! Pete, I don't agree with you. permeability is not a good term. If you want to have a correct term then use ferromagnetism. Permeability by itself isn't the correct term, you need to use magnetic permeability to make it correct because permeability is just a general word and is used in a number of expressions. Permeability is only the term of how easily something flows through something, magnetic fields, fluids, gases, ions in cell membranes... For example an achondrite can have a very high permeability for water and a low magnetic permeability. In other words, an achondrite can be very porous and allow water to seep through it and not showing any ferromagnetism. It is like talking about density and dense. Everything has a density but iron meteorites are dense. Everything have magnetic permeability but iron meteorites have strong ferromagnetism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferromagnetism Personally I will continue to use the more relaxed term of magnetic and then explain it Just like a piece of iron that is attracted by a magnet. if the listener doesn't understand what I mean. Disclaimer : I'm only a physicist so what do I know... ;-) /Göran __ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] [Correction] Mars, Lunar, Seymchan Sphere, CV3... Auctions - AD
Hello All, I would like to make a quick correction to my AD this morning. I stated that the NWA 482 slice was the last one I had, I do still have a 1.926g part slice that I had with my OCD Sale items from a few weeks ago, it's just not on eBay right now. Sorry for my mistake, just want to keep it correct. Best Regards, Greg Greg Hupé The Hupé Collection gmh...@centurylink.net www.LunarRock.com NaturesVault (eBay) IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault Good Morning All, I have 20 eBay auctions that will start to end tomorrow afternoon, or immediately with Buy it Now. These have all been marked down from the previous week as they went unsold... This may be the time the price grabs your attention! :) Included are: Seymchan Pallasite Sphere - So Nice! NWA 482 Lunar slice w/ crust (Last Piece) NWA 3171 Martian slice (Last One) 7 - 100g Lots of NWA 3118 CV3 material (Perfect for Jewelry) 3 Unclassified Saharan chondrites 7 Libyan Desert Glass Spheres Eggs (Marked Down) These auctions all have a great starting amounts and a modest Buy it Now price. Thank you for looking, hope you see something you like! Wishing everyone a safe New Years Eve, and a Happy, Healthy and Prosperous New Year!! Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault Best Regards, Greg Greg Hupé The Hupé Collection gmh...@centurylink.net www.LunarRock.com NaturesVault (eBay) IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault __ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] [Correction] Mars, Lunar, Seymchan Sphere, CV3... Auctions - AD
Greg, your integrity is already awesomeI smiled with pride when I read this. -Richard Montgomery - Original Message - From: Greg Hupé gmh...@centurylink.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 3:06 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] [Correction] Mars, Lunar, Seymchan Sphere,CV3... Auctions - AD Hello All, I would like to make a quick correction to my AD this morning. I stated that the NWA 482 slice was the last one I had, I do still have a 1.926g part slice that I had with my OCD Sale items from a few weeks ago, it's just not on eBay right now. Sorry for my mistake, just want to keep it correct. Best Regards, Greg Greg Hupé The Hupé Collection gmh...@centurylink.net www.LunarRock.com NaturesVault (eBay) IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault Good Morning All, I have 20 eBay auctions that will start to end tomorrow afternoon, or immediately with Buy it Now. These have all been marked down from the previous week as they went unsold... This may be the time the price grabs your attention! :) Included are: Seymchan Pallasite Sphere - So Nice! NWA 482 Lunar slice w/ crust (Last Piece) NWA 3171 Martian slice (Last One) 7 - 100g Lots of NWA 3118 CV3 material (Perfect for Jewelry) 3 Unclassified Saharan chondrites 7 Libyan Desert Glass Spheres Eggs (Marked Down) These auctions all have a great starting amounts and a modest Buy it Now price. Thank you for looking, hope you see something you like! Wishing everyone a safe New Years Eve, and a Happy, Healthy and Prosperous New Year!! Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault Best Regards, Greg Greg Hupé The Hupé Collection gmh...@centurylink.net www.LunarRock.com NaturesVault (eBay) IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault __ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Correction For Holocene Extinctions and a different lake
In Holocene Extinctions and a different lake at http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2011-November/081249.html , I left out the word lack in one sentence. The sentence should read: Also, despite the continuous record of lake sedimentation recovered in cores from Lake Bonneville and other lakes, there is a complete **lack** of either an event bed of deposits that such an event would most certainly have left behind. The many problems with the arguments of Tollmann and Tollmann (1994), which Knight and Lomas (2000) simply ignore, are discussed in detail by Deutsch et al. (1994). Bets wishes, Paul H. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Correction to Volcano... Or Giant Impact?
In [meteorite-list] Volcano... Or Giant Impact? at http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2011-October/080668.html , I wrote, “Another interesting paper is: Reimold, W. U., V. von Brunn, and C. Koeberl, 1997, Are Diamictites Impact Ejecta?—No Supporting Evidence from South African Dwyka Group Diamictite. The Journal of Geology. vol. 105, pp. 517–530. PDF file at: http://www.univie.ac.at/...list/128-diamictites-not-impact-J-Geol1997.pdf” The correct URL for the PDF file is: http://www.univie.ac.at/geochemistry/koeberl/publikation_list/128-diamictites-not-impact-J-Geol1997.pdf A related paper is: Huber, H., C. Koeberl, I. MacDonald, and W. U. Reimold, 2001, Geochemistry and petrology of Witwatersrand and Dwyka diamictites from South Africa: Search for an extraterrestrial component. Geochimica et Cosmochimica Acta. vol. 65, no. 12, pp. 2007–2016. The PDF file for this paper can be downloaded from: http://www.univie.ac.at/geochemistry/koeberl/publikation_list/184-Dwyka-geochem-GCA2001.pdf Best wishes, Paul H. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Correction to link
Hi List, Sorry the link in my previous post did not work. Here is the corrected one . http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/Trip_Report.html http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/ORDINARY_CHONDRITES.html Sonny __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] correction to non-magnetic meteorite question
Thanks to all who responded to my non-magnetic meteorite question. With a total weight of 27.37 grams the specimen in question has a direct measured specific gravity of 2.59. This would seem to rule-out both basalt (s.g. 2.7-3.1) and Tatahouine, a Diogenite with a specific gravity range of at about 3.30 to 3.47. In rechecking the magnetic value, for the first time with a super magnet hanging from a string and carefully bringing the specimen to the magnet, I can see there is a ever-so-slight magnetic attraction which I had not previously noticed and detected. This is an important lesson for me: ALWAYS DOUBLE CHECK MAGNETIC VALUES WITH A SUPER MAGNET HANGING FROM A THREAD! Also rechecked my Tatahouine specimen and, LO and Behold, this, too, has an ever-so-slight magnetic attraction. You might want to take note of this info, Pete at pshu...@messengersfromthecosmos.com. The s.g and slight magnetic attraction of this specimen suggests that this may be a type CM Carbonaceous Chondrite, according to the printed values published in the 2002 paper by Britt and Consolmagno, I suppose. I'm thinking of cutting this specimen. Anyone on the list able to suggest the preferred lubricant to minimize potential contamination issues? Again, thanks to everyone who took time to offer their insights on my little mystery stone. I wouldn't have had a clue, otherwise! Best wishes to all, David Gunning __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] correction to non-magnetic meteorite question
Hi David, When cutting meteorites (or suspected meteorites), use distilled water only has a saw coolant/lubricant. Using anything else invites contamination and instability in the specimen. I own a large N52 rare earth magnet. It's quite powerful, and small metal objects will fly across the table and stick it from several inches away. This type of magnet will detect the smallest metal content in a specimen that small magnets will miss. However, be careful, the larger magnets can be dangerous if you hand or fingers get caught between the magnet and a metal object. Not to mention, keep it away from your laptop and grandpa's pacemaker. The largest rare earth magnets are so powerful, they will attract iron-enriched food items, like dog kibbles! Do you have any photos of your specimen, or did you post them already and I missed it? Best regards, MikeG - Galactic Stone Ironworks - Meteorites Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/pages/Galactic-Stone-Ironworks/218849894809686 News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - On 5/24/11, David Gunning davidgunn...@fairpoint.net wrote: Thanks to all who responded to my non-magnetic meteorite question. With a total weight of 27.37 grams the specimen in question has a direct measured specific gravity of 2.59. This would seem to rule-out both basalt (s.g. 2.7-3.1) and Tatahouine, a Diogenite with a specific gravity range of at about 3.30 to 3.47. In rechecking the magnetic value, for the first time with a super magnet hanging from a string and carefully bringing the specimen to the magnet, I can see there is a ever-so-slight magnetic attraction which I had not previously noticed and detected. This is an important lesson for me: ALWAYS DOUBLE CHECK MAGNETIC VALUES WITH A SUPER MAGNET HANGING FROM A THREAD! Also rechecked my Tatahouine specimen and, LO and Behold, this, too, has an ever-so-slight magnetic attraction. You might want to take note of this info, Pete at pshu...@messengersfromthecosmos.com. The s.g and slight magnetic attraction of this specimen suggests that this may be a type CM Carbonaceous Chondrite, according to the printed values published in the 2002 paper by Britt and Consolmagno, I suppose. I'm thinking of cutting this specimen. Anyone on the list able to suggest the preferred lubricant to minimize potential contamination issues? Again, thanks to everyone who took time to offer their insights on my little mystery stone. I wouldn't have had a clue, otherwise! Best wishes to all, David Gunning __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] correction to non-magnetic meteorite question
Also do not let 2 rare earth magnets slam together, I have had them shatter like glass. They can be very unexpectedly dangerous. They are kinda like a snake, they will get you when you least expect it!! -- Stuart McDaniel Lawndale, NC IMCA#9052 http://www.facebook.com/Stuart.McDaniel.No.1 Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: = Hi David, When cutting meteorites (or suspected meteorites), use distilled water only has a saw coolant/lubricant. Using anything else invites contamination and instability in the specimen. I own a large N52 rare earth magnet. It's quite powerful, and small metal objects will fly across the table and stick it from several inches away. This type of magnet will detect the smallest metal content in a specimen that small magnets will miss. However, be careful, the larger magnets can be dangerous if you hand or fingers get caught between the magnet and a metal object. Not to mention, keep it away from your laptop and grandpa's pacemaker. The largest rare earth magnets are so powerful, they will attract iron-enriched food items, like dog kibbles! Do you have any photos of your specimen, or did you post them already and I missed it? Best regards, MikeG - Galactic Stone Ironworks - Meteorites Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/pages/Galactic-Stone-Ironworks/218849894809686 News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - On 5/24/11, David Gunning davidgunn...@fairpoint.net wrote: Thanks to all who responded to my non-magnetic meteorite question. With a total weight of 27.37 grams the specimen in question has a direct measured specific gravity of 2.59. This would seem to rule-out both basalt (s.g. 2.7-3.1) and Tatahouine, a Diogenite with a specific gravity range of at about 3.30 to 3.47. In rechecking the magnetic value, for the first time with a super magnet hanging from a string and carefully bringing the specimen to the magnet, I can see there is a ever-so-slight magnetic attraction which I had not previously noticed and detected. This is an important lesson for me: ALWAYS DOUBLE CHECK MAGNETIC VALUES WITH A SUPER MAGNET HANGING FROM A THREAD! Also rechecked my Tatahouine specimen and, LO and Behold, this, too, has an ever-so-slight magnetic attraction. You might want to take note of this info, Pete at pshu...@messengersfromthecosmos.com. The s.g and slight magnetic attraction of this specimen suggests that this may be a type CM Carbonaceous Chondrite, according to the printed values published in the 2002 paper by Britt and Consolmagno, I suppose. I'm thinking of cutting this specimen. Anyone on the list able to suggest the preferred lubricant to minimize potential contamination issues? Again, thanks to everyone who took time to offer their insights on my little mystery stone. I wouldn't have had a clue, otherwise! Best wishes to all, David Gunning __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] CORRECTION Mifflin second lithology
Greg assured me that Dave Gheesling was already aware of this second lithology and it was definitely being found at Mifflin strewnfield. Hello Carl, Greg All, I haven't been following this thread, but the above sentence was just brought to my attention and it needs a quick response. One, I have no recollection of saying this, other than perhaps to the extent that a breccia, I suppose by definition, is composed of multiple lithologies. Two, even if I did say this, I'm not sure that statement should carry any weight coming from me. There are several in the scientific community far more qualified than I to make such definitive statements, and I think they've sufficiently done so already. Lastly, for now anyway, it's a shame that such a negative thread has emerged from such a wonderful US fall. My daughter and I were lucky enough to hunt with some good friends up there for a couple of days. We didn't find anything ourselves, but I did acquire a stone found by another hunter and am thrilled to have a complete stone from such a great event housed in my collection. There is another hunter with a few small, complete Mifflin individuals who has expressed concern over his ability to market them in light of this thread. I don't normally acquire multiple stones from a single location, but if his concerns prove true this will no doubt become an exception ;-) All the best, Dave www.fallingrocks.com -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of cdtuc...@cox.net Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 3:05 PM To: meteoritelist; Greg Subject: [meteorite-list] Mifflin second lithology List, I am told that I need to add a few details to my defense of selling this possible second (odd) looking lithology of Mifflin. I must admit that I am a bit shocked how quick some people are to be judge , jury and executioner all in one swift swoop. Way back when this first started selling I received a phone call out of the blue from John Helm. he informed me that he had purchased a slice of mifflin from Greg C.and Greg gave him my number. I was a bit surprised because the reason I had partnered with Greg is because he being a big dealer he would be able to get top dollar for our material. Whereas on eBay I get chump change for the meteorites I sell. You see Greg has a web site to sell from and I don't. This was to be a win win situation. Back to the call; John informed me that he was suspicious of his recent acquisition from Greg. I told John that this was the first I'd heard of this and I had never seen any of the material once cut by Greg. I told John i would get right back with him. So, I called Greg and he had already looked into this between the time John called him and me. Greg assured me that Dave Gheesling was already aware of this second lithology and it was definitely being found at Mifflin strewnfield. needless to say I was very happy this was so quickly resolved. I immediately called John back and explained to him that this is not only good mifflin material but, may end up actually being worth more than the other lithology because it appears to be more rare, John invited me to hunt with him if I ever get up to Wisconsin and we hung up friends. It was not until a few weeks ago that Jason hit me with this bomb. I explained to Jason all of this and he chose not to agree with the situation. As I said before. Jason is entitled to his opinion but I think he overstepped his boundaries before this ends up getting resolved. Obviously more testing is going to have to be done and Dirk Ross has offered to have the testing done. I just need to get a piece of this second lithology and send it to him in Japan. So, in the mean time people please relax and as was the case with NWA 5400 pairings. Be patient. That one took some special care as well but turned out to be just fine. I certainly hope this turns out to be from the same fall but we need the science to be sure. One thing is certain. There has been no scam commited here and worse case is that everyone will get their money back. Thank you. Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Correction to my last post
In reading my post to the list, I made a glaring errorTodd Parker found the 108 gram Mifflin stone, not me. The typo reads that I found and should read that he found Apologies to Todd and all for my error. Jack __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Correction - Kamil Crater Discovery: New Video
Sorry. Please use this link http://tinyurl.com/kamilcraterzerzura instead of the broken one in the previous post Thanks, Giancarlo Negro __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] correction....
..I know, contact me off list..not off lineaaarrggrr... __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Correction on Wickenburg...
Listoids. The TKW of the Wickenburg was 9,2 kg. (not 92 kg.sorry) Jan IMCA 9833 Holland __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] correction.. 4 stones not 3
Hello, Oops! I actually found 4 stones, for an average of 56 miles per stone... now that is better! Best Wishes Michael Cottingham _ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Correction to article re: NEXRAD Doppler images of Wisconsin bolide
Hi All, Sent this reply to the list last night, but it appears to have disappeared into cyberspace. Resending: - - - - - Marvin is mistaken about the first radar return being at only 30,000 feet (assuming the article has quoted him correctly). The initial radar return was at 28.3 km (~93,000') +/- 3 km. The 14-mile-long shower of fragments is also an underestimate. The actual distance, based on strong radar returns, is at least 30 miles. Cheers, Rob -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Ron Baalke Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 4:06 PM To: Meteorite Mailing List Subject: [meteorite-list] Arizonans Find Largest Meteorite Fragment FromSpectacular Midwestern Fall http://uanews.org/node/31788 Arizonans Find Largest Meteorite Fragment From Spectacular Midwestern Fall By Jeff Harrison University of Arizona May 4, 2010 UA meteorite curator Marvin Killgore has a 300-gram piece of the object that exploded over Wisconsin in April. People in southwestern Wisconsin and northern Iowa on April 14 witnessed a sonic boom and a fireball that briefly - and spectacularly - lit up the late evening sky. It was the result of an ancient rock that ended its 4.5 billion year journey through the solar system in a ball of flames entering Earth's atmosphere. NASA officials estimated that the rock, a meteoroid some 3.3 feet across, blew apart with the force equivalent to 20 tons of TNT. Videos of it are widely available on the Internet. And it also set off what one meteorite hunter called the ultimate Easter egg hunt. Marvin Killgore, the curator of meteorites for the Lunar and http://cos.arizona.edu/sci_departments/planetary_sciences.asp Planetary Laboratory at the University of Arizona, and his wife, Kitty, were among the first of a phalanx of meteorite hunters from around the world to arrive in Mineral Point, Wisc., just days after the sighting. To date, the Killgores have what may be the largest fragment of the meteorite, a pristine chunk of space rock weighing about 300 grams, although Marvin Killgore said rumors of a larger meteorite are circulating. The Killgores work with NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory scientist Marc Fries on locating meteorites. They use Doppler weather radar sites on the Internet to triangulate the trajectory of objects heading through the atmosphere to the ground. Much like atmospheric clouds, exploding meteoroids create clouds of debris that are picked up as radar signatures and form a strewn field, the zone that encompasses the area where pieces of the meteorite land. This particular object was a breccia, a conglomerate of rocks embedded in a fine-grained rock matrix. It most likely came from the asteroid belt orbiting the Sun between Mars and Jupiter. Killgore estimated the rock first detonated at 30 kilometers - about 18 miles above the Earth's surface - with the first radar signature occurring at about 30,000 feet, sending a two-mile wide,14-mile-long shower of fragments into the Wisconsin countryside. The Killgores, along with their daughter and son-in-law, Laura and Nick Center, drove straight through from Arizona to Wisconsin almost as soon as they heard about it. They were not alone. Marvin Killgore said there were about 100 other meteorite hunters in Mineral Point the day they arrived, combing through the freshly plowed fields, grass-lined fences and roadways for a prize. Mineral Point, a farm community midway between Madison and Dubuque, Iowa, had become Ground Zero for the meteorite fall. The pieces can fall anywhere, Killgore said. It's basically like tossing a handful of gravel into the grass and then see if you can find them. Finding them generally involves a lot of walking. We have a metal detector, but there is so much metallic farm debris in the fields from tractors and other equipment that we just use our eyes and magnets, said Kitty Killgore. The magnets are attached to walking sticks that aid in finding meteorites made of iron or are high in iron content. The Killgores found their meteorite on a road near a local candle factory. It had split into three pieces on impact, stamped with an impression from the gravel on the road where it hit. A sample from the meteorite found by a local farmer was sent to the University of Wisconsin and found to contain traces of magnesium, iron and silica compounds, as well as other common minerals like olivine and pyroxene. It also contained iron-nickel metal and iron sulfide, minerals typically found in primitive meteorites discovered on Earth. Some meteorites are valuable enough to fetch several thousand dollars on the market - part of the reason, Killgore said, why the number of meteorite hunters has grown dramatically in recent years as technology has made them easier to find. Easier but with no guarantees. He said many people will spend one or two thousand dollars and a couple of weeks at a site and come away
[meteorite-list] Correction: Livingston, WI fall direction WNW - ESE
Hi All, Yes, my apologies -- I got the direction reversed. It was WNW to ESE. (In my defense, I made the mistake of taking one of the early witness reports at face value that the direction was going east to west.) Based on the Doppler data, the westernmost returns are at much higher altitude than the easternmost returns, so there is no doubt this was travelling toward the ESE. --Rob -Original Message- From: fallingfus...@wi.rr.com [mailto:fallingfus...@wi.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 1:13 PM To: Matson, Robert D.; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: Livingston, WI fall Looks like WNW to ESE. This camera is pointing nearly directly west at the lakefront in Milwaukee. (Building in video is US Bank) http://www.wisn.com/video/23160606/index.html Matson wrote: The fall was dead over Livingston, WI, travelling ESE to WNW. --Rob -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of bill kies Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 12:30 PM To: cont...@briencook.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fireball News Cast video causesfires in the woods The Livingston area seems reasonable. It's located between Platteville and Avoca. Both Plateville and Avoca have reported booms and shaking although there have been interesting reports from further south. Here's what a fellow in Jesup Iowa said, A little after 10:00 last night my bedroom window lit up and when I looked outside the entire night sky was nearly as bright as day. Every inch of my yard was visible (was pitch black dark prior) and I thought an explosion had occurred. I ran into the family room to tell my parents and they looked at me like I was crazy. From: cont...@briencook.com Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 11:37:37 -0700 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fireball News Cast video causes fires in the woods I think they're too far north (Avoca, WI) from where it actually landed. I'm predicting closer to Livingston, WI. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Correction: Livingston, WI fall direction WNW - ESE
Have you seen the ground there? Wunderbar! Regards, Eric On 4/15/2010 1:17 PM, Matson, Robert D. wrote: Hi All, Yes, my apologies -- I got the direction reversed. It was WNW to ESE. (In my defense, I made the mistake of taking one of the early witness reports at face value that the direction was going east to west.) Based on the Doppler data, the westernmost returns are at much higher altitude than the easternmost returns, so there is no doubt this was travelling toward the ESE. --Rob -Original Message- From: fallingfus...@wi.rr.com [mailto:fallingfus...@wi.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 1:13 PM To: Matson, Robert D.; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: Livingston, WI fall Looks like WNW to ESE. This camera is pointing nearly directly west at the lakefront in Milwaukee. (Building in video is US Bank) http://www.wisn.com/video/23160606/index.html Matson wrote: The fall was dead over Livingston, WI, travelling ESE to WNW. --Rob -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of bill kies Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 12:30 PM To: cont...@briencook.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fireball News Cast video causesfires in the woods The Livingston area seems reasonable. It's located between Platteville and Avoca. Both Plateville and Avoca have reported booms and shaking although there have been interesting reports from further south. Here's what a fellow in Jesup Iowa said, A little after 10:00 last night my bedroom window lit up and when I looked outside the entire night sky was nearly as bright as day. Every inch of my yard was visible (was pitch black dark prior) and I thought an explosion had occurred. I ran into the family room to tell my parents and they looked at me like I was crazy. From: cont...@briencook.com Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 11:37:37 -0700 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fireball News Cast video causes fires in the woods I think they're too far north (Avoca, WI) from where it actually landed. I'm predicting closer to Livingston, WI. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] CORRECTION to Slow cooling rate of irons in space
Hi, List, Aluminum 26 decays to Magnesium 26, of course, not Al-27, impossibly uphill. Thanks to Piper Hollier for pointing out that cerebral short circuit. Long emails at one in the morning invite the attack of the dreaded brain fart. Aluminum-26 to Mg-26 has a halflife of 710,000 years so its decay is quick and intense. Hafnium-182 has a halflife of 9 million years. Also on the isotope list, discovered (about 12) or suspected, are Beryllium-10 (1,500,000 years), plutonium-244 (80,000,000 years), lead-205 (6,500,000), manganese-53 (3,700,000 years), calcium-41 (103,000 years), as well as titanium-50, nickel-62, zirconium-96, chlorine-36, samarium-can't read-the-number, iodine-129, and palladium-107, (I got too lazy to look up the halflifes after a while, too.) If you can discover a trace of a short-lifer or its decay products in a sealed package (like a meteorite or a planet), it's almost certain they were present in quantity at the beginning of the solar system. Three explanations: 1.) the Sun and other local stars inherited this mix from the molecular clouds they condensed from, 2.) they were injected by a nearby supernova or two, 3.) the short-lived isotopes were created by the intense early radiation of the Sun in its own nebula. You may chose any one, two, or all three explanations and you will find those who agree with you and those who disagree with you. The failure to find (yet) traces of tin-120 and curium-247 argues against the very close supernova source. Sterling K. Webb --- - Original Message - From: Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net To: Carl 's carloselgua...@hotmail.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 12:14 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Slow cooling rate of irons in space Hi, Carl raises a lot of interesting points with his questions, some of them still unanswered. The cooling question, for example. The problem is... [rest of message omitted] __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Correction to Campo de Cielo date
Hi - The correct date for Campo de Cielo appears to be 17 February, 2,325 BCE. 25 October, 2,360 BCE is for the Rio Cuarto Impacts, which also occurred at Matawil. My apology for the error. E.P. Grondine Man and Impact in the Americas __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Correction to Campo de Cielo date
E.P., list, out of curiousity: as you were previously talking about radio carbon dating, do you pull that 17 February from the data provided by Cassidy et al (1972, 1996)? Their radio carbon dating of charcoal fragments extracted from the bottom of one of the craters gave an age of ~ 4,000 B.P. - one tends to interpret this figure rather as an approximation ... Svend www.meteorite-recon.com --- E.P. Grondine wrote: Hi - The correct date for Campo de Cielo appears to be 17 February, 2,325 BCE. 25 October, 2,360 BCE is for the Rio Cuarto Impacts, which also occurred at Matawil. My apology for the error. E.P. Grondine Man and Impact in the Americas __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- www.meteorite-recon.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Correction To The Usselo Soil and the Younger Dryas Extraterrestrial Impact Hypothesis
I need to correct my previous post, The Usselo Soil and the Younger Dryas Extraterrestrial Impact Hypothesis. Its third paragraph should read: One important point that this paper makes is that what has been called either the “Usselo Horizon” or “Usselo Layer” is not a layer in terms of being a tabular depositional body of either rock or unconsolidated sediment created separately from the sediments above and below it. Rather, it is a relict, buried Albic Arenosol and Brunic Arenosol (paleosol) that developed in preexisting sediment as the result of a period of surface weathering during a period of nondeposition. As a paleosol, it is pedolostratigraphic marker horizon, not a depositional horizon as some proponents of the Younger Dryas extraterrestrial impact hypothesis imply by the use of the term “horizon”. the first paragraph should read: A new paper, which in press in “Boreas” about the Usselo Soil and the Younger Dryas extraterrestrial impact hypothesis, has recently appeared. It is: I apologize for not being a better editor. Best regards, Paul H. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] correction / Might Something Need To Be Done Department
Sorry I meant to write. Millbillillie's value is still compromised as a result of it once having sold so inexpensively. d, Begin forwarded message: From: Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com Date: February 16, 2009 12:34:32 PM EST To: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Might Something Need To Be Done Department Hiya Every meteorite which is sold at an inexplicably low price is the result of a particular event, and the contamination that results from such events can take years or decades to be corrected. The situation between Millbillillie and Allende is not really similar, and the story with Millbillillie is as follows: My memory is a bit shaky, but it was around 1990 there was a Millbillillie price war at a Denver show. An American dealer and an Australian dealer had a go at it---and there was room to go down because even though Millbillillie first arrived in the U.S at $10/g wholesale---a large shipment subsequently landed stateside for $1/ g. I personally witnessed the price of Millbillillie plummet precipitously over a period of hours from $20 to less than $2, and I ended up buying Millbillillie at $2/g that year and the year following. Millbillillie's value is still compromised as a result of selling so inexpensively; inordinately low prices possess their own memory gravity (unless of course there is another event which provides the correction). All best / d, On Feb 16, 2009, at 11:49 AM, Martin Altmann wrote: Hi Pat, the Bulletin Database has as tkw for Allende of 2 metric tons = 2000kg. (And some say 3 tons). It felt at a time, where naturally there weren't such myopic laws like today and there were less collectors than today. And it felt in a country with good accessibility. To make it short: Allende was the NWA 869 of the 70ies. It's a little bit similar to Millbillillie, Sometimes collectors ask, why an NWA-EUC can cost more than a Millbillillie. But if you check the stats: Every second eucrite is a Millbillillie :-) Murchison had a relatively high tkw. Also a few collectors and Australia was still a free country, a meteorite-democracy. I often told the anecdote, a German veteran collector told me. He came to know of the Murchison fall by a short note in a newspaper. So he wrote a letter, asking about the circumstances and what had happened, and sent it to Murchison, Australia. Weeks later he received a parcel, with a nice answer, cause they were astonished and amazed that someone from so far away was interested in what had happened in their little town and as a little tank you, a 100g+ sample of Murchison was included. Allende could be one of the reasons for the misconception of some, who are bemoaning that the prices of meteorites pretendendly would have soared and who have the imagination that in earlier years meteorites cost virtually nothing. But Allende was always one of the exceptions, cause of its mass availability. Best! Martin Murchison TKW 100Kg per the Meteoritical Bulletin Allende TKW 100Kg per the Meteoritical Bulletin __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Correction!
Ending is tomorrow, Feb 17 (not 16)10:00 PM eastern time. Thanks **Need a job? Find an employment agency near you. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agenciesncid=emlcntusyelp0003) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Correction to Last Post - Moonrocks not Meteorites
Dear Friends, The title to my last post should be Moonrocks Suggests Early Moon’s Core Had a Magnetic Field not Meteorites Suggests Early Moon’s Core Had a Magnetic Field. Sorry about the confusion. Best Regards, Paul H. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Correction - Park Forest Garza Ending Auctions - AD
Dear List Members, Correction: In my Park Forest Garza... post, I stated Later today I have 42 auctions ending... This should read, Later TOMORROW (Wednesday, March 26th)... I apologize for my typo. Happy bidding! Greg Dear List Members, Tomorrow, March 26th, is the 5-year anniversary of the Park Forest meteorite fall so I have loaded on eBay the best Garza Meteorite Impact Artifact kits that we have. Included are #1-5 of the 200 series, these five have the largest fragments from the Garza stone of the 200 kits, larger artifact pieces and nearly all of the 200 kits have already been sold. I saved the BEST FIVE for a special occasion, and figured five years was a good time! In addition to these, I loaded nine newspapers covering the Park Forest meteorite event from 2003 on a couple of 1-year Anniversary issues from 2004. All of these can be seen under my seller name, NaturesVault, or by clicking here to see these and all of the current auctions I have: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault Later today I have 42 meteorite auctions ending, many still at just 99 cents! These include: * Lunars * Martians * Anomalous * Angrites * Brachinite * Brecciated Lodranite * Other Achondrites * Chondrites * NWA 3161 LL3.7 (several to choose from) * NWA 2952 CK4 (All that are available) Currently all of the material are at below cost values, so if you are in the market for an AWESOME BUY, check out what I have, you will not be disappointed!! Thank you for your continued support and bids, I appreciate it! Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] correction on my sa
Bob, You make a very good point here. Steve's collecting method, weird as it may seem to some of us, might actually stimulates the meteorite market and the economy in general. I wonder what the outcome would be if everyone took up this same practice? Would our economy improve? Just a thought, John Gwilliam At 04:39 PM 10/29/2007, Bob Evans wrote: Come on Steve, You KNOW it will end up on ebay. Thats nothing to be ashamed of. You are slightly different than the majority of us collectors. Your desire to have a new meteorite in the P.O. Box every week is insatiable. And if that means you have to keep buying and selling every piece you get so be it. Walk Proud Steve ! - Original Message - From: steve arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 1:13 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] correction on my sa It will NOT end up on ebay.I just have to learn how to type better or start using spell check better.I am sorry for this post,but I had to correct my spellings. steve Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! The Asteroid Belt! Chicagometeorites.net Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999 Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] correction on my sa
It will NOT end up on ebay.I just have to learn how to type better or start using spell check better.I am sorry for this post,but I had to correct my spellings. steve Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! The Asteroid Belt! Chicagometeorites.net Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999 Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] correction on my sa
Come on Steve, You KNOW it will end up on ebay. Thats nothing to be ashamed of. You are slightly different than the majority of us collectors. Your desire to have a new meteorite in the P.O. Box every week is insatiable. And if that means you have to keep buying and selling every piece you get so be it. Walk Proud Steve ! - Original Message - From: steve arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 1:13 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] correction on my sa It will NOT end up on ebay.I just have to learn how to type better or start using spell check better.I am sorry for this post,but I had to correct my spellings. steve Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! The Asteroid Belt! Chicagometeorites.net Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999 Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] correction of the main mass from mali fall
hello list members i aporte here a correction to the main mass, it's now 17875 gr , not the ten kilos and it was found in erg chech, still dunes sand and land yellow color stick at it, see photo here. http://www.flickr.com/photos/azizhabibi/ thanks aziz habibi aziz box 70 erfoud 52200 morroco phone. 21235576145 fax.21235576170 _ Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Correction New Martian Nomenclature and Ebay Auctions Ending!
The correct number is NWA 4880 not 4480 as listed a few times in my weekly advertisement. Please note this correction. Dear List Members, I would like to take this opportunity to announce the nomenclature for a new Martian Shergottite. For those who purchased any of this new Martian meteorite from me, the provisional number is NWA 4880. Current owners, please email me your address and I will be happy to send you a color ID card. For those who have not picked any up yet, I am running 18 outstanding examples on eBay. This may be a chance for some of you to add a complete certified Martian Shergottite individual to your collection as none of these are fragments. Here is a brief description: NWA 4880 (Provisional), a Rare Basaltic Martian Shergottite found this year in the Sahara desert. This scarce Martian meteorite represents one of the freshest Shergottites yet found to date. A Total Known Weight (TKW) of 82 grams consisting of 35 small individuals was officially recorded under the NWA 4480 designation. There are pairings to this exceptional find but most dealers did not bother to have their pieces made official so the true TKW will never be known. I donated 20% to satisfy type specimen requirements, paid the classification costs and a report has been submitted to the Nom Com committee for formal acceptance. Officially recognized meteorites are worth far more than their unstudied counterparts so please bid accordingly. Every piece of NWA 4480 is certified so bid with confidence as these are real unlike some bogus (unstudied and sometimes not authentic) material out there. May exceptional auctions are ending today and can be seen at this link: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZraremeteorites Check out some of these Martian individuals: NWA 4880 Certified Martian Shergottite Individuals. Each one is individually described as far as weight, size, percentage of fusion crust and if shock veins are present. Check out this sampling: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=140161612325 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=140161613284 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=140161614851 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=140161616489 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=140161616989 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=140161618374 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=140161620049 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=140161621586 32.3 Gram oriented individual! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=140161623319 Plus 9 more! And don't forget to check out 105 great items at this link, most ending today: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZraremeteorites Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck. Best Regards, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] CORRECTION
CORRECTION: - Original Message - From: Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mrs. Webb wrote: Hi, Paul, EP, List, That's = Mr. = Webb. Sterling K. Webb --- __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] correction
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[meteorite-list] Correction to my recent sales post IMPORTANT
Dear List Members. I have made a classic error in using the numbers NWA 2975 and NWA 2986 to describe the stones I am selling. I have no right to use these numbers as they are owned by two well known and respected meteorite dealers. I can say that the meteorites that I am selling are LIKELY paired to NWA 2975 and NWA 2986. Also, any one who buys these stones from me and not from the dealers, Michael Farmer or Jim Strope to whom the numbers NWA 2975 and NWA 2986 belong, cannot either use the numbers. The stones I am selling are likely pairings only. I sincerely regret the need for this post to the list. Jack Schrader __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Correction to my recent sales post IMPORTANT
Dear List Members. I have made a classic error in using the numbers NWA 2975 and NWA 2986 to describe the stones I am selling. I have no right to use these numbers as they are owned by two well known and respected meteorite dealers. I can say that the meteorites that I am selling are LIKELY paired to NWA 2975 and NWA 2986. Also, any one who buys these stones from me and not from the dealers, Michael Farmer or Jim Strope to whom the numbers NWA 2975 and NWA 2986 belong, cannot either use the numbers NWA 2975 or NWA 2986 to describe the stones. The stones I am selling are likely pairings only. I sincerely regret the need for this post to the list but I am the first to admit a mistake when I make one. Jack Schrader __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] correction on illinois irons
Hello list and good evening.Being from illinois and having been to 3 of the state strewfields,there are already 3 iron meteorites classified already in illinois.HAVANA (IIICD),SAINT AUGUSTINE (IID),and finally WOODBINE (IAB).So if this was to be the next iron from illinois,it would be the FOURTH.3+1=4.I always thought that 4 year olds knew this addition as well as 50 year olds.I guess not. Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999!! www.chicagometeorites.net Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] correction on illinois irons
Thank you Steve for that cogent analysis. I'll try to not assume facts which are not in evidence. As to understanding the math I totally agree. I remember a time when one ad a day for a week plus addemdums( sometimes 2 per day) still equaled one ad per week. Must be that new darn math. Elton --- steve arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello list and good evening.Being from illinois and having been to 3 of the state strewfields,there are already 3 iron meteorites classified already in illinois.HAVANA (IIICD),SAINT AUGUSTINE (IID),and finally WOODBINE (IAB).So if this was to be the next iron from illinois,it would be the FOURTH.3+1=4.I always thought that 4 year olds knew this addition as well as 50 year olds.I guess not. Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999!! www.chicagometeorites.net Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] correction on illinois irons
Hello Again All, Steve, Well, you're...kind ofright. Most people wouldn't qualify Havana as a meteorite, seeing as all that's known of it is a few little indian beads made out of meteoric iron. Yes, it's true, they did turn out to have a different chemical composition than any known iron, but then again, it was never published in the meteoritical bulletin. It would be something like calling Fredericksburg (remember that Hexahedrite from a few years ago?) an approved meteorite - it's never been mentioned in the bulletin or elsewhere, so how can you? On that note, does anyone know why it was never submitted? Regards, Jason On 3/19/07, steve arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello list and good evening.Being from illinois and having been to 3 of the state strewfields,there are already 3 iron meteorites classified already in illinois.HAVANA (IIICD),SAINT AUGUSTINE (IID),and finally WOODBINE (IAB).So if this was to be the next iron from illinois,it would be the FOURTH.3+1=4.I always thought that 4 year olds knew this addition as well as 50 year olds.I guess not. Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999!! www.chicagometeorites.net Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] correction on illinois irons
Jason, you are friends with John Wasson, he has had Fredericksburg in his possesion for more than five years. Perhaps you could ask him why he refuses to submit it. Michael Farmer --- Jason Utas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Again All, Steve, Well, you're...kind ofright. Most people wouldn't qualify Havana as a meteorite, seeing as all that's known of it is a few little indian beads made out of meteoric iron. Yes, it's true, they did turn out to have a different chemical composition than any known iron, but then again, it was never published in the meteoritical bulletin. It would be something like calling Fredericksburg (remember that Hexahedrite from a few years ago?) an approved meteorite - it's never been mentioned in the bulletin or elsewhere, so how can you? On that note, does anyone know why it was never submitted? Regards, Jason On 3/19/07, steve arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello list and good evening.Being from illinois and having been to 3 of the state strewfields,there are already 3 iron meteorites classified already in illinois.HAVANA (IIICD),SAINT AUGUSTINE (IID),and finally WOODBINE (IAB).So if this was to be the next iron from illinois,it would be the FOURTH.3+1=4.I always thought that 4 year olds knew this addition as well as 50 year olds.I guess not. Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999!! www.chicagometeorites.net Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] correction on illinois irons
Jason, I have asked, many times. Mr Wasson has not done me the courtesy of an answer. He was fast on the email though, when I bought the meteorite, demanding a ~500 gram sample since UCLA had tried to buy the meteorite for years before I bought it. There was one problem though, they did not pay the owner of the meteorite. The seller got tired of waiting for UCLA to actually write a check after some years, and sold it to me. This angered John Wasson and he obviously, refuses to finish the classification because of that, even after I sent him and endcut of more than 500 grams for free. There is little I can do, so perhaps you could ask about it. Michael Farmer --- Jason Utas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Bill, All, You should read what you post - check the references section of your link and you get: Never published in the Meteoritical Bulletin Find references in NASA ADS Haha, don't think I don't do my research too ;) It's yet to be published, just as I said. And Mike, it seems as if we've finally hit on something we disagree on - I didn't buy any piece of the meteorite, nor did I buy/sell the entire mass. I think that asking John would fall to you, or at least a buyer. I'm just curious to know why it hasn't been submitted yet. Regards, Jason On 3/19/07, Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Jason, http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?sea=havanasfor=namesants=falls=stype=containslrec=50map=gebrowse=country=Allsrt=namecateg=Allmblist=Allphot=pnt=nocode=11857 Regards, Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:23:20 -0700 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] correction on illinois irons Hello Again All, Steve, Well, you're...kind ofright. Most people wouldn't qualify Havana as a meteorite, seeing as all that's known of it is a few little indian beads made out of meteoric iron. Yes, it's true, they did turn out to have a different chemical composition than any known iron, but then again, it was never published in the meteoritical bulletin. It would be something like calling Fredericksburg (remember that Hexahedrite from a few years ago?) an approved meteorite - it's never been mentioned in the bulletin or elsewhere, so how can you? On that note, does anyone know why it was never submitted? Regards, Jason On 3/19/07, steve arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello list and good evening.Being from illinois and having been to 3 of the state strewfields,there are already 3 iron meteorites classified already in illinois.HAVANA (IIICD),SAINT AUGUSTINE (IID),and finally WOODBINE (IAB).So if this was to be the next iron from illinois,it would be the FOURTH.3+1=4.I always thought that 4 year olds knew this addition as well as 50 year olds.I guess not. Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999!! www.chicagometeorites.net Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Invite Friends to View Your Photo Album and ... Win Free iPods, Movie Tickets or 1GB of Storage. Check it out http://www.inbox.com/win_iPod __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] correction on illinois irons
Hello Bill, All, You should read what you post - check the references section of your link and you get: Never published in the Meteoritical Bulletin Find references in NASA ADS Haha, don't think I don't do my research too ;) It's yet to be published, just as I said. And Mike, it seems as if we've finally hit on something we disagree on - I didn't buy any piece of the meteorite, nor did I buy/sell the entire mass. I think that asking John would fall to you, or at least a buyer. I'm just curious to know why it hasn't been submitted yet. Regards, Jason On 3/19/07, Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Jason, http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?sea=havanasfor=namesants=falls=stype=containslrec=50map=gebrowse=country=Allsrt=namecateg=Allmblist=Allphot=pnt=nocode=11857 Regards, Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:23:20 -0700 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] correction on illinois irons Hello Again All, Steve, Well, you're...kind ofright. Most people wouldn't qualify Havana as a meteorite, seeing as all that's known of it is a few little indian beads made out of meteoric iron. Yes, it's true, they did turn out to have a different chemical composition than any known iron, but then again, it was never published in the meteoritical bulletin. It would be something like calling Fredericksburg (remember that Hexahedrite from a few years ago?) an approved meteorite - it's never been mentioned in the bulletin or elsewhere, so how can you? On that note, does anyone know why it was never submitted? Regards, Jason On 3/19/07, steve arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello list and good evening.Being from illinois and having been to 3 of the state strewfields,there are already 3 iron meteorites classified already in illinois.HAVANA (IIICD),SAINT AUGUSTINE (IID),and finally WOODBINE (IAB).So if this was to be the next iron from illinois,it would be the FOURTH.3+1=4.I always thought that 4 year olds knew this addition as well as 50 year olds.I guess not. Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999!! www.chicagometeorites.net Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Invite Friends to View Your Photo Album and ... Win Free iPods, Movie Tickets or 1GB of Storage. Check it out http://www.inbox.com/win_iPod __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] correction on illinois irons
Ha Ha? I send you a link, in private I might add, and I get haha? Did I make a comment? No. So what's funny? Glad you enjoyed the pic. Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 19:36:49 -0700 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] correction on illinois irons Hello Bill, All, You should read what you post - check the references section of your link and you get: Never published in the Meteoritical Bulletin Find references in NASA ADS Haha, don't think I don't do my research too ;) It's yet to be published, just as I said. And Mike, it seems as if we've finally hit on something we disagree on - I didn't buy any piece of the meteorite, nor did I buy/sell the entire mass. I think that asking John would fall to you, or at least a buyer. I'm just curious to know why it hasn't been submitted yet. Regards, Jason On 3/19/07, Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Jason, http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?sea=havanasfor=namesants=falls=stype=containslrec=50map=gebrowse=country=Allsrt=namecateg=Allmblist=Allphot=pnt=nocode=11857 Regards, Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:23:20 -0700 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] correction on illinois irons Hello Again All, Steve, Well, you're...kind ofright. Most people wouldn't qualify Havana as a meteorite, seeing as all that's known of it is a few little indian beads made out of meteoric iron. Yes, it's true, they did turn out to have a different chemical composition than any known iron, but then again, it was never published in the meteoritical bulletin. It would be something like calling Fredericksburg (remember that Hexahedrite from a few years ago?) an approved meteorite - it's never been mentioned in the bulletin or elsewhere, so how can you? On that note, does anyone know why it was never submitted? Regards, Jason On 3/19/07, steve arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello list and good evening.Being from illinois and having been to 3 of the state strewfields,there are already 3 iron meteorites classified already in illinois.HAVANA (IIICD),SAINT AUGUSTINE (IID),and finally WOODBINE (IAB).So if this was to be the next iron from illinois,it would be the FOURTH.3+1=4.I always thought that 4 year olds knew this addition as well as 50 year olds.I guess not. Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999!! www.chicagometeorites.net Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Invite Friends to View Your Photo Album and ... Win Free iPods, Movie Tickets or 1GB of Storage. Check it out http://www.inbox.com/win_iPod __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] correction on illinois irons
Hello Bill, All, Whoops then, sorry - simply assumed it was public, as it pertained to the subject at hand; didn't even look at the subject line, though I did with Mike's following message...I'll get to that in a second. My Apologies, Jason On 3/19/07, Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ha Ha? I send you a link, in private I might add, and I get haha? Did I make a comment? No. So what's funny? Glad you enjoyed the pic. Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 19:36:49 -0700 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] correction on illinois irons Hello Bill, All, You should read what you post - check the references section of your link and you get: Never published in the Meteoritical Bulletin Find references in NASA ADS Haha, don't think I don't do my research too ;) It's yet to be published, just as I said. And Mike, it seems as if we've finally hit on something we disagree on - I didn't buy any piece of the meteorite, nor did I buy/sell the entire mass. I think that asking John would fall to you, or at least a buyer. I'm just curious to know why it hasn't been submitted yet. Regards, Jason On 3/19/07, Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Jason, http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?sea=havanasfor=namesants=falls=stype=containslrec=50map=gebrowse=country=Allsrt=namecateg=Allmblist=Allphot=pnt=nocode=11857 Regards, Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:23:20 -0700 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] correction on illinois irons Hello Again All, Steve, Well, you're...kind ofright. Most people wouldn't qualify Havana as a meteorite, seeing as all that's known of it is a few little indian beads made out of meteoric iron. Yes, it's true, they did turn out to have a different chemical composition than any known iron, but then again, it was never published in the meteoritical bulletin. It would be something like calling Fredericksburg (remember that Hexahedrite from a few years ago?) an approved meteorite - it's never been mentioned in the bulletin or elsewhere, so how can you? On that note, does anyone know why it was never submitted? Regards, Jason On 3/19/07, steve arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello list and good evening.Being from illinois and having been to 3 of the state strewfields,there are already 3 iron meteorites classified already in illinois.HAVANA (IIICD),SAINT AUGUSTINE (IID),and finally WOODBINE (IAB).So if this was to be the next iron from illinois,it would be the FOURTH.3+1=4.I always thought that 4 year olds knew this addition as well as 50 year olds.I guess not. Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999!! www.chicagometeorites.net Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Invite Friends to View Your Photo Album and ... Win Free iPods, Movie Tickets or 1GB of Storage. Check it out http://www.inbox.com/win_iPod __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] correction on illinois irons
Hi Michael According to this article; Formation of IIAB Irons By Wasson, J. T., Huber, Heinz Malvin, Daniel J. from GCA 71 (2007) 760-781 They state in appendix B that : The 47-kg Fredericksburg (Texas) iron was first reported to us by a person living in Alaska, who stated that it had been inherited from a deceased relative who lived near Fredericksburg. Our analysis of the sample shows that, within error, its composition is the same as that of Richland (Texas) iron. Both irons appear to be strongly weathered. However, these two Texas locations are 297 km apart, farther apart than plausible for a strewn field. Our best guess is that human transport has been involved, and that they are fragments from the same fall. Fredericksburg is not an approved name; we suggest that this mass be referred to as Richland (Fredericksburg) unless future studies imply that it resulted from a distinct fall. They also have paired up several other irons but most well know is Dutch Flat. They recommend treating it as paired with Sikhote-Alin. -- Mike -- Mike Jensen Jensen Meteorites 16730 E Ada PL Aurora, CO 80017-3137 303-337-4361 IMCA 4264 website: www.jensenmeteorites.com On 3/19/07, Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jason, I have asked, many times. Mr Wasson has not done me the courtesy of an answer. He was fast on the email though, when I bought the meteorite, demanding a ~500 gram sample since UCLA had tried to buy the meteorite for years before I bought it. There was one problem though, they did not pay the owner of the meteorite. The seller got tired of waiting for UCLA to actually write a check after some years, and sold it to me. This angered John Wasson and he obviously, refuses to finish the classification because of that, even after I sent him and endcut of more than 500 grams for free. There is little I can do, so perhaps you could ask about it. Michael Farmer --- Jason Utas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Bill, All, You should read what you post - check the references section of your link and you get: Never published in the Meteoritical Bulletin Find references in NASA ADS Haha, don't think I don't do my research too ;) It's yet to be published, just as I said. And Mike, it seems as if we've finally hit on something we disagree on - I didn't buy any piece of the meteorite, nor did I buy/sell the entire mass. I think that asking John would fall to you, or at least a buyer. I'm just curious to know why it hasn't been submitted yet. Regards, Jason On 3/19/07, Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Jason, http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?sea=havanasfor=namesants=falls=stype=containslrec=50map=gebrowse=country=Allsrt=namecateg=Allmblist=Allphot=pnt=nocode=11857 Regards, Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:23:20 -0700 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] correction on illinois irons Hello Again All, Steve, Well, you're...kind ofright. Most people wouldn't qualify Havana as a meteorite, seeing as all that's known of it is a few little indian beads made out of meteoric iron. Yes, it's true, they did turn out to have a different chemical composition than any known iron, but then again, it was never published in the meteoritical bulletin. It would be something like calling Fredericksburg (remember that Hexahedrite from a few years ago?) an approved meteorite - it's never been mentioned in the bulletin or elsewhere, so how can you? On that note, does anyone know why it was never submitted? Regards, Jason On 3/19/07, steve arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello list and good evening.Being from illinois and having been to 3 of the state strewfields,there are already 3 iron meteorites classified already in illinois.HAVANA (IIICD),SAINT AUGUSTINE (IID),and finally WOODBINE (IAB).So if this was to be the next iron from illinois,it would be the FOURTH.3+1=4.I always thought that 4 year olds knew this addition as well as 50 year olds.I guess not. Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999!! www.chicagometeorites.net Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] correction on illinois irons
Haha, now that's just great - even if the politics were to blame initially, it wouldn't matter anyways - it's another mass of Richland. In any case, Mike Farmer and I (I'm pretty sure) resolved our bit off-list. Jason On 3/19/07, Mike Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Michael According to this article; Formation of IIAB Irons By Wasson, J. T., Huber, Heinz Malvin, Daniel J. from GCA 71 (2007) 760-781 They state in appendix B that : The 47-kg Fredericksburg (Texas) iron was first reported to us by a person living in Alaska, who stated that it had been inherited from a deceased relative who lived near Fredericksburg. Our analysis of the sample shows that, within error, its composition is the same as that of Richland (Texas) iron. Both irons appear to be strongly weathered. However, these two Texas locations are 297 km apart, farther apart than plausible for a strewn field. Our best guess is that human transport has been involved, and that they are fragments from the same fall. Fredericksburg is not an approved name; we suggest that this mass be referred to as Richland (Fredericksburg) unless future studies imply that it resulted from a distinct fall. They also have paired up several other irons but most well know is Dutch Flat. They recommend treating it as paired with Sikhote-Alin. -- Mike -- Mike Jensen Jensen Meteorites 16730 E Ada PL Aurora, CO 80017-3137 303-337-4361 IMCA 4264 website: www.jensenmeteorites.com On 3/19/07, Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jason, I have asked, many times. Mr Wasson has not done me the courtesy of an answer. He was fast on the email though, when I bought the meteorite, demanding a ~500 gram sample since UCLA had tried to buy the meteorite for years before I bought it. There was one problem though, they did not pay the owner of the meteorite. The seller got tired of waiting for UCLA to actually write a check after some years, and sold it to me. This angered John Wasson and he obviously, refuses to finish the classification because of that, even after I sent him and endcut of more than 500 grams for free. There is little I can do, so perhaps you could ask about it. Michael Farmer --- Jason Utas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Bill, All, You should read what you post - check the references section of your link and you get: Never published in the Meteoritical Bulletin Find references in NASA ADS Haha, don't think I don't do my research too ;) It's yet to be published, just as I said. And Mike, it seems as if we've finally hit on something we disagree on - I didn't buy any piece of the meteorite, nor did I buy/sell the entire mass. I think that asking John would fall to you, or at least a buyer. I'm just curious to know why it hasn't been submitted yet. Regards, Jason On 3/19/07, Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Jason, http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?sea=havanasfor=namesants=falls=stype=containslrec=50map=gebrowse=country=Allsrt=namecateg=Allmblist=Allphot=pnt=nocode=11857 Regards, Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:23:20 -0700 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] correction on illinois irons Hello Again All, Steve, Well, you're...kind ofright. Most people wouldn't qualify Havana as a meteorite, seeing as all that's known of it is a few little indian beads made out of meteoric iron. Yes, it's true, they did turn out to have a different chemical composition than any known iron, but then again, it was never published in the meteoritical bulletin. It would be something like calling Fredericksburg (remember that Hexahedrite from a few years ago?) an approved meteorite - it's never been mentioned in the bulletin or elsewhere, so how can you? On that note, does anyone know why it was never submitted? Regards, Jason On 3/19/07, steve arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello list and good evening.Being from illinois and having been to 3 of the state strewfields,there are already 3 iron meteorites classified already in illinois.HAVANA (IIICD),SAINT AUGUSTINE (IID),and finally WOODBINE (IAB).So if this was to be the next iron from illinois,it would be the FOURTH.3+1=4.I always thought that 4 year olds knew this addition as well as 50 year olds.I guess not. Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999!! www.chicagometeorites.net Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097
Re: [meteorite-list] correction on illinois irons
It would have been nice, and professional, for Dr. Wasson to convey that fact to me, after the many emails I have sent him over the years. We have no issues Jason, just disagree on the facts in a dispute that is more than 7 years old. Since I am the one who flew to Alaska, counted out the money, and dealt with the owner, and drug the 47 kilogram meteorite through several airports (I actually met with Adam Hupe at the Seattle Airport, and showed him the meteorite on the way home), I am pretty sure my facts in the case are pretty accurate. Michael Farmer --- Jason Utas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Haha, now that's just great - even if the politics were to blame initially, it wouldn't matter anyways - it's another mass of Richland. In any case, Mike Farmer and I (I'm pretty sure) resolved our bit off-list. Jason On 3/19/07, Mike Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Michael According to this article; Formation of IIAB Irons By Wasson, J. T., Huber, Heinz Malvin, Daniel J. from GCA 71 (2007) 760-781 They state in appendix B that : The 47-kg Fredericksburg (Texas) iron was first reported to us by a person living in Alaska, who stated that it had been inherited from a deceased relative who lived near Fredericksburg. Our analysis of the sample shows that, within error, its composition is the same as that of Richland (Texas) iron. Both irons appear to be strongly weathered. However, these two Texas locations are 297 km apart, farther apart than plausible for a strewn field. Our best guess is that human transport has been involved, and that they are fragments from the same fall. Fredericksburg is not an approved name; we suggest that this mass be referred to as Richland (Fredericksburg) unless future studies imply that it resulted from a distinct fall. They also have paired up several other irons but most well know is Dutch Flat. They recommend treating it as paired with Sikhote-Alin. -- Mike -- Mike Jensen Jensen Meteorites 16730 E Ada PL Aurora, CO 80017-3137 303-337-4361 IMCA 4264 website: www.jensenmeteorites.com On 3/19/07, Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jason, I have asked, many times. Mr Wasson has not done me the courtesy of an answer. He was fast on the email though, when I bought the meteorite, demanding a ~500 gram sample since UCLA had tried to buy the meteorite for years before I bought it. There was one problem though, they did not pay the owner of the meteorite. The seller got tired of waiting for UCLA to actually write a check after some years, and sold it to me. This angered John Wasson and he obviously, refuses to finish the classification because of that, even after I sent him and endcut of more than 500 grams for free. There is little I can do, so perhaps you could ask about it. Michael Farmer --- Jason Utas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Bill, All, You should read what you post - check the references section of your link and you get: Never published in the Meteoritical Bulletin Find references in NASA ADS Haha, don't think I don't do my research too ;) It's yet to be published, just as I said. And Mike, it seems as if we've finally hit on something we disagree on - I didn't buy any piece of the meteorite, nor did I buy/sell the entire mass. I think that asking John would fall to you, or at least a buyer. I'm just curious to know why it hasn't been submitted yet. Regards, Jason On 3/19/07, Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Jason, http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?sea=havanasfor=namesants=falls=stype=containslrec=50map=gebrowse=country=Allsrt=namecateg=Allmblist=Allphot=pnt=nocode=11857 Regards, Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:23:20 -0700 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] correction on illinois irons Hello Again All, Steve, Well, you're...kind ofright. Most people wouldn't qualify Havana as a meteorite, seeing as all that's known of it is a few little indian beads made out of meteoric iron. Yes, it's true, they did turn out to have a different chemical composition than any known iron, but then again, it was never published in the meteoritical bulletin. It would be something like calling Fredericksburg (remember that Hexahedrite from a few years ago?) an approved meteorite - it's never been mentioned in the bulletin or elsewhere, so how can you? On that note, does anyone know why it was never submitted? Regards, Jason On 3/19/07, steve arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello list and good evening.Being from
Re: [meteorite-list] correction on illinois irons
As am I with my facts - we have a binder on it somewhere, but I do remember quite well - it was the first thing we ever corroborated with John on. That being said, I don't believe we disagree on the politics of it at all, assuming that the Richland pairing didn't play the part it appears to have. On 3/19/07, Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would have been nice, and professional, for Dr. Wasson to convey that fact to me, after the many emails I have sent him over the years. We have no issues Jason, just disagree on the facts in a dispute that is more than 7 years old. Since I am the one who flew to Alaska, counted out the money, and dealt with the owner, and drug the 47 kilogram meteorite through several airports (I actually met with Adam Hupe at the Seattle Airport, and showed him the meteorite on the way home), I am pretty sure my facts in the case are pretty accurate. Michael Farmer --- Jason Utas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Haha, now that's just great - even if the politics were to blame initially, it wouldn't matter anyways - it's another mass of Richland. In any case, Mike Farmer and I (I'm pretty sure) resolved our bit off-list. Jason On 3/19/07, Mike Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Michael According to this article; Formation of IIAB Irons By Wasson, J. T., Huber, Heinz Malvin, Daniel J. from GCA 71 (2007) 760-781 They state in appendix B that : The 47-kg Fredericksburg (Texas) iron was first reported to us by a person living in Alaska, who stated that it had been inherited from a deceased relative who lived near Fredericksburg. Our analysis of the sample shows that, within error, its composition is the same as that of Richland (Texas) iron. Both irons appear to be strongly weathered. However, these two Texas locations are 297 km apart, farther apart than plausible for a strewn field. Our best guess is that human transport has been involved, and that they are fragments from the same fall. Fredericksburg is not an approved name; we suggest that this mass be referred to as Richland (Fredericksburg) unless future studies imply that it resulted from a distinct fall. They also have paired up several other irons but most well know is Dutch Flat. They recommend treating it as paired with Sikhote-Alin. -- Mike -- Mike Jensen Jensen Meteorites 16730 E Ada PL Aurora, CO 80017-3137 303-337-4361 IMCA 4264 website: www.jensenmeteorites.com On 3/19/07, Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jason, I have asked, many times. Mr Wasson has not done me the courtesy of an answer. He was fast on the email though, when I bought the meteorite, demanding a ~500 gram sample since UCLA had tried to buy the meteorite for years before I bought it. There was one problem though, they did not pay the owner of the meteorite. The seller got tired of waiting for UCLA to actually write a check after some years, and sold it to me. This angered John Wasson and he obviously, refuses to finish the classification because of that, even after I sent him and endcut of more than 500 grams for free. There is little I can do, so perhaps you could ask about it. Michael Farmer --- Jason Utas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Bill, All, You should read what you post - check the references section of your link and you get: Never published in the Meteoritical Bulletin Find references in NASA ADS Haha, don't think I don't do my research too ;) It's yet to be published, just as I said. And Mike, it seems as if we've finally hit on something we disagree on - I didn't buy any piece of the meteorite, nor did I buy/sell the entire mass. I think that asking John would fall to you, or at least a buyer. I'm just curious to know why it hasn't been submitted yet. Regards, Jason On 3/19/07, Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Jason, http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?sea=havanasfor=namesants=falls=stype=containslrec=50map=gebrowse=country=Allsrt=namecateg=Allmblist=Allphot=pnt=nocode=11857 Regards, Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:23:20 -0700 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] correction on illinois irons Hello Again All, Steve, Well, you're...kind ofright. Most people wouldn't qualify Havana as a meteorite, seeing as all that's known of it is a few little indian beads made out of meteoric iron. Yes, it's true, they did turn out to have a different chemical composition than any known iron, but then again, it was never published in the meteoritical bulletin. It would be something like calling Fredericksburg (remember
[meteorite-list] correction
Hello again list.I stand corrected on my earlier post.It is NWA 2965,the new EL6/7.It is not nwa 4265.That is my mistake.Thanks to bill for realizing my mistake.There are so many # out there that you have to be absolutley correct. Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999!! www.chicagometeorites.net Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites Have a burning question? Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from real people who know. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (Correction) Cash and Treasure TV show premiers Dec. 5th!
when is this meteorite show going to be on T.V.? Ruben Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Parts of my last post were incorrect. Steve set me straight, it should be: The meteorite episode is a half hour long total (minus commercials = 22 minutes of tape), and the Glorietta splits that with Brenham, so we should expect around 11 minutes each, more or less. On the 19th, I think our episode is airing at 10:30 eastern time, as the second of 2 back to back 1/2 hour episodes for the night. Also, Travel Channel's site will let people request that an email reminder be sent to them so they won't miss an episode Thanks for the update Steve! Ruben Garcia Phoenix, Arizona http://www.mr-meteorite.com Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list - Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] (Correction) Cash and Treasure TV show premiers Dec. 5th!
Hi all, Parts of my last post were incorrect. Steve set me straight, it should be: The meteorite episode is a half hour long total (minus commercials = 22 minutes of tape), and the Glorietta splits that with Brenham, so we should expect around 11 minutes each, more or less. On the 19th, I think our episode is airing at 10:30 eastern time, as the second of 2 back to back 1/2 hour episodes for the night. Also, Travel Channel's site will let people request that an email reminder be sent to them so they won't miss an episode Thanks for the update Steve! Ruben Garcia Phoenix, Arizona http://www.mr-meteorite.com Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] correction on la lande
I have been corrected by martin horejsi about the number on the la lande piece.The number on the slice is a nininger number,not a monnig one.I apoligize for my error.Thanks again martin. steve __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] correction on la lande
Steve, Steve, Steve... I did not correct you. You are absolutely right that there is a Monnig number on your La Lande slice. I was merely pointing out that there is ALSO a Nininger Collection number painted on it under the Monnig number. That fact alone should help sell your piece! Best Wishes, Martin ps: now you can issue a correction. On 6/27/06, Steve Arnold, Chicago!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been corrected by martin horejsi about the number on the la lande piece.The number on the slice is a nininger number,not a monnig one.I apoligize for my error.Thanks again martin. steve __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Correction
Hi again, Sonny, I have to correct myself -- a search of the Met database turns up your name in association with the Palo Verde Mine (AZ) meteorite: 1998g stone found by Homer Stockam, 03/11/2004; classified by M. Hutson, ASU; main mass, L. Sloan; type specimen, Cascadia Meteorite Laboratory. 7160g stone found by Sonny Clary 02/16/2004; classified by L. Bleacher and M. Hutson, ASU. Perhaps there are others in the works for MB90... --Rob __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Correction
Correction, Great Job Larry! Time for bed I guess. Larry Atkins __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Correction to Re: Last Word (from me) on the Crackpot Theory, I Think...
In my last post at http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2005-November/178653.html , my thinking and argument drifted from TL dating to OSL dating. My paragraph concerning the TL dating should have read: One significant problem here is that thermoluminescent dating presumes a steady level of radiation damage over time by the decay of radioactive elements trapped in the chert. Irradiation strong enough to have altered the isotopic composition of the uranium in chert would have also caused extensive radiation damage to the microcrystalline quartz composing the chert. Therefore, had what Firestone and his colleagues claimed to have occurred, actually happened, any thermoluminescent dates from the effected site should have also been altered to the point of providing apparent dates considerably older than the associated Paleo-Indian artifacts. The fact, that the thermoluminescent dates are only slightly older, which is common due to incomplete thermal resetting of the chert, than age of the culture affiliated with the Paleo-Indian artifacts, strongly refutes the idea that these sites were irradiated at all. Had these sites been irradiated as much as proposed by Firestone, then the ages given by the thermoluminescent dates would have given apparent dates significantly older than the artifacts actually are, which was not the case. I apologize for this brain fart. Best Regards, Paul __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Correction to Franconia horned lizard ID
2nd attempt... - - - - Hi All, After visiting several more websites, I've concluded that my horned lizard is actually not P. mcallii, but rather P. platyrhinos (Desert Horned Lizard), which is not protected or endangered. I was thrown off by the skull diagrams on this page: http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~varanus/phryno.html which don't show the occipital horns as being especially long. In fact, both of these species have long horns, but platyrhinos lacks the dorsal stripe and has a very rounded body: http://imnh.isu.edu/digitalatlas/bio/reptile/lacer/phpl/phplfram.htm If you scan down toward the bottom of the first link above, you'll see a map of ranges for these beasties, and platyrhinos is the only one shown for the Franconia/Lake Havasu area. So Franconia meteorite hunters can rest easy (at least from the possibility of closure due to an endangered species). Even if it had been P. mcallii, this species is actually not (yet) on the endangered species list. --Rob __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] CORRECTION New Shergotite, NWA 2626 (AD)
My earlier post SHOULD have listed my phone number as (619) 286-4837 - just too excited, I guess. Michael on 1/29/05 4:12 PM, Michael L Blood at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings all, As most of you know, I am an old SNC fanatic. While I did not anticipate it, the main mass of the new shergotite, NWA2626 (TKW:31g) weighing 7.606g is now available for mere money. Go to: http://209.238.151.128/aaa.htm where it can be seen from several angles (along with the whole stone prior to cutting). This is an unpaired meteorite which has generated a good deal of scientific excitement (see the article link from the above site), and all but this fusion crusted end piece and two slices of 1.3g and 2.3g respectively, has gone into institutional holdings and private collections. Of all specimens, this is definitely the largest piece - and you can be sure the remaining two slices still available will sell at the Tucson Show - probably before most of us get there this coming weekend, which will make this the only specimen available to the public. Any serious collector (or institution or dealer ) is invited to contact me off list at this email address or via phone at (619) 286-4827. Any reasonable offer will be seriously considered. Otherwise, look for it in RM 182 at Inn Suites where it can be had for $15,000 - an excellent deal for the main mass of any SNC, but especially for a Fusion Crusted shergotite of this size and beauty. This is a once in a lifetime opportunity for some collector or institution. Sincerely, Michael Blood __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- You and I do not see things as they are. We see things as we are. -Herb Cohen -- If a million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Correction To Question about Uranolithe fosslie(Meteorite) Article
In my previous post, I stated that I was looking for: Uranolithe fosslie Astronomie. vol. 7, p. 58 (1887). The correct year is 1888 and page should be 114. the correct citation is; Uranolithe fosslie Astronomie. vol. 7, p. 114 (1888). the article gives L'Astronomie as an alternative spelling. Sorry About That Paul Baton Rouge, LA __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Correction
I meant SAU 119, not 001 Cj __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] correction to link
http://www.meteoriteguy.com/NWA2081.htm sorry, here is the working link. Mike
[meteorite-list] correction
I want to correct something in an email I sent.I meant it is a travisty against the lord to any that says or does anything against them.To those people who serve god and are willing to do it threw self dedicated sacrifice no one has the right to say or do anything that should put these great people down.That is the correction I wanted to make.Please forgive my oversight.I think people know what I was trying to say.But it never hurts to make amends. steve = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Correction
oops, I forgot the two little words the range Herein, we r e c o m m e n d designation of the CB (C, carbonaceous; B, bencubbinite) chondrites, a new grouplet that greatly extends t h e r a n g e of nebular/metal silicate and volatile element fractionations recorded in chondrites. These CB chondrites have significant similarities to the CR and CH chondrites, making theme part of the larger CR clan (e.g., Weisberg et al., 1990, 1995b). Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] correction
Hi list.I noticed that I had a typing error in my ebay about me page.It was corrected.I'm sorry for the mistake. steve = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Correction and addition
1) eccore is encore, of course :-) 2) My statistical overview is purely numerical - it does not consider tentative or authenticated pairings which would, of course, decrease the total of carbonaceous chondrites! 3) 669 2002Bernd Pauli databases (October 2002) Regards, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Correction to Watch The Skies For August Asteroid (2002 NY40)
Hi All, Just a quick correction to a misleading statement made in that MSNBC story about 2002 NY40 that Ron posted to the list: In a rare event slated for mid-August, an asteroid will pass close enough to Earth to be visible through binoculars and small telescopes. I was going to let this first statement slide because a NEA (not an asteroid) that is large enough to be seen in binoculars is indeed rare. But later in the article, we read: An asteroid becomes as bright as 2002 NY40 from our terrestrial vantage point only about once or twice a decade. However, a similar event occurred last December. The next time a known asteroid will appear this bright is in 2004. Here, they quite clearly say asteroid, not near-earth asteroid, and as such these statements are quite untrue. How many of you have seen Ceres, Vesta, Pallas, Juno, Iris or Metis? These all regularly become binocular visible. Indeed, as of right now there are five asteroids that are as bright or brighter than 2002 NY40 will be at its brightest: Ceres 8.7 Iris 8.7 Hebe 9.0 Eunomia9.0 Amphitrite 9.3 Melpomene is close at 9.4, and Pallas at 9.5. Vesta is shining at 8.0, but it is in conjunction with the sun right now (visible in SOHO imagery!). Cheers, Rob __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Correction
Although the newest members of the Martian meteorite family are mostly from Antarctica, there is also one Saharan meteorite. One Saharan Martian ??? There are 16 minus 7 paired ones = 9 (!) This may have been a miscommunication because I overlooked the words newest members. Sorry :-( Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
