Re: [meteorite-list] Dave Shiflett-- no fan of the brenham
Hi Steve, It's unfortunate about those facts being wrong but after having worked at a newspaper many year here are a couple observations about reporters and their stories you might be interested in. Good reporters often call their subjects back and read back parts of the story to check the facts. One reason reporters don't generally allow people to read entire stories (or photographers show them every image) is because the subjects are likely to start editing the work with comments like: "did I say that?" or "geez, I'm not sure I like that picture, it's too revealing," etc, etc. The longer I work as a photographer, the more I see that trust is crucial between subject and reporter. I stick around to shoot alot of pictures if I can because I want to represent the subject as honestly and positively as possible. The thing reporters and photographers hate most are errors and at my newspaper, every error in fact is corrected on the front page. Then we each have to fill out a form to give to our editor explaining how we made the error. While we continue to make errors, at least we can get a correction in the next day. I find it interesting that this rarely happens on TV. Reports are generally brief and inaccuracies just float off into the air never to be addressed again. Best regards, Bob On 1/3/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dave and all, No, the big rock did not sell yet. And I am pretty sure the TV show that the story is supposed to be quoting did not state that it "sold for a million dollars," only that it is "worth about a million dollars." I just think the reporter got his facts wrong. Imagine that, a reporter getting their facts wrong. I did count 3 errors in the Travel Channel show. There are a couple errors in the Wired Magazine article. And I think the Wired Science TV show got it pretty close, although I would argue the finer details of some of the points in the show. I am not even sure if any one of the many newspaper stories this last 15 months has got it 100% correct. Newsweek had a ONE LINE quote in their Nov. 21, 2005 issue on the big Brenham Kansas find, and you would think that they could at least get that right, right? Well, they got the one quote from me correct, but then they credited the quote to: "Professional meteorite hunter Steve Arnold, on his 1,400-pound find in Arkansas..." OK, I guess an argument in their defense could be made that "Kansas" can be found inside the word "Arkansas" so they didn't get it all that wrong. Reporters have a funny phobia of actually letting people they interview proof read their stories. So virtually every story ever printed or broadcasted in every article or program gets some of their facts wrong. And what you ask are these reporter's editors doing? I don't know, I ask the same question. Steve Arnold, P.M.H. *** In a message dated 1/2/2007 10:56:05 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes: "It won't bring as much as an earlier find: a 1,400-pound space rock that resembles a massive, slightly rotting yam. Ugly is only skin deep, however. This monstrosity sold for a cool million." So, I didn't know the "rotten yam" had sold, is that true? I like yams. Dave F. ** __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Dave Shiflett-- no fan of the brenham
Hi, As to what is on the minds of the "hairdo's," er, I mean, the reporters, that's anybody's guess. Maybe a hint can be found in the little blurb on the KCET video site, where this segment is described: "Adam Rogers finds a meteorite in Kansas." Is that the best description of the "news" story? Say, didn't that Arnold guy actually "find" those meteorites? Details, mere details... Where were those headlines in the 1940's that read: "Edward R. Murrow finds Luftwaffe in Skies over London"? Or "Walter Cronkite Finds War in Vietnam"? The "story" is supposed to be about "the story," fellah. Editors? What editors? TV has only producers, not editors. Kudos to Steve and Geoff for their successful ju-jitsu in getting as much of the reality into the piece as they did. It's a performance skill, and they performed the job very well. Encore, encore. Sterling K. Webb -- - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 1:11 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Dave Shiflett-- no fan of the brenham > Dave and all, > > No, the big rock did not sell yet. > > And I am pretty sure the TV show that the story is supposed to > be quoting did not state that it "sold for a million dollars," only > that it is "worth about a million dollars." I just think the reporter > got his facts wrong. > > Imagine that, a reporter getting their facts wrong. > > I did count 3 errors in the Travel Channel show. There are a > couple errors in the Wired Magazine article. And I think the > Wired Science TV show got it pretty close, although I would > argue the finer details of some of the points in the show. I am > not even sure if any one of the many newspaper stories this last > 15 months has got it 100% correct. > > Newsweek had a ONE LINE quote in their Nov. 21, 2005 issue > on the big Brenham Kansas find, and you would think that they > could at least get that right, right? > > Well, they got the one quote from me correct, but then they > credited the quote to: "Professional meteorite hunter Steve > Arnold, on his 1,400-pound find in Arkansas..." > > OK, I guess an argument in their defense could be made that > "Kansas" can be found inside the word "Arkansas" so they > didn't get it all that wrong. > > Reporters have a funny phobia of actually letting people they > interview proof read their stories. So virtually every story ever > printed or broadcasted in every article or program gets some > of their facts wrong. > > And what you ask are these reporter's editors doing? I don't > know, I ask the same question. > > Steve Arnold, P.M.H. > > *** > > In a message dated 1/2/2007 10:56:05 P.M. Central Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes: > "It won't bring as much as an earlier find: a 1,400-pound space rock > that resembles a massive, slightly rotting yam. Ugly is only skin deep, > however. This monstrosity sold for a cool million." > > So, I didn't know the "rotten yam" had sold, is that true? > > I like yams. > Dave F. > > ** > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Dave Shiflett-- no fan of the brenham
Dave and all, No, the big rock did not sell yet. And I am pretty sure the TV show that the story is supposed to be quoting did not state that it "sold for a million dollars," only that it is "worth about a million dollars." I just think the reporter got his facts wrong. Imagine that, a reporter getting their facts wrong. I did count 3 errors in the Travel Channel show. There are a couple errors in the Wired Magazine article. And I think the Wired Science TV show got it pretty close, although I would argue the finer details of some of the points in the show. I am not even sure if any one of the many newspaper stories this last 15 months has got it 100% correct. Newsweek had a ONE LINE quote in their Nov. 21, 2005 issue on the big Brenham Kansas find, and you would think that they could at least get that right, right? Well, they got the one quote from me correct, but then they credited the quote to: "Professional meteorite hunter Steve Arnold, on his 1,400-pound find in Arkansas..." OK, I guess an argument in their defense could be made that "Kansas" can be found inside the word "Arkansas" so they didn't get it all that wrong. Reporters have a funny phobia of actually letting people they interview proof read their stories. So virtually every story ever printed or broadcasted in every article or program gets some of their facts wrong. And what you ask are these reporter's editors doing? I don't know, I ask the same question. Steve Arnold, P.M.H. *** In a message dated 1/2/2007 10:56:05 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes: "It won't bring as much as an earlier find: a 1,400-pound space rock that resembles a massive, slightly rotting yam. Ugly is only skin deep, however. This monstrosity sold for a cool million." So, I didn't know the "rotten yam" had sold, is that true? I like yams. Dave F. ** __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Dave Shiflett-- no fan of the brenham
"It won't bring as much as an earlier find: a 1,400-pound space rock that resembles a massive, slightly rotting yam. Ugly is only skin deep, however. This monstrosity sold for a cool million." So, I didn't know the "rotten yam" had sold, is that true? I like yams. Dave F. Meteorites Darren Garrison wrote: >"...a 1,400-pound space rock that resembles a massive, slightly rotting yam. >Ugly is only skin deep, however. This monstrosity sold for a cool million." > > >http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601088&sid=a.flI69Q4Dvg&refer=muse > >Pilot Science Show Features Meteorites, Stem Cells, Speedy Cars > >By Dave Shiflett > >Jan. 2 (Bloomberg) -- A new PBS show promises breaking news from the world of >science, a nice alternative to cable news alerts whenever the president stubs >his toe. > >``Wired Science,'' which debuts tomorrow at 8 p.m. New York time, is part of an >interesting contest in which viewers will help decide PBS's next weekly science >program. Two other pilots, ``Science Investigators'' (Jan. 10) and ``22nd >Century'' (Jan. 17), round out the competition. > >``Wired Science,'' a fast-paced, far-reaching collaboration between PBS and >Wired magazine, will be hard to beat. > >The hour-long show kicks off with a segment on professional meteorite hunters. >Viewers contemplating a career move should take note: Sometimes heaven rains >far >more than pennies. > >Steve Arnold, a professional meteorite hunter, drags a jerry-built metal >detector through an otherwise nondescript Kansas field. Strange noises emanate >from the machine and fierce digging commences. Wired correspondent Adam Rogers >reaches down into the dirt and pulls out a meteorite the size of an anvil. > >It won't bring as much as an earlier find: a 1,400-pound space rock that >resembles a massive, slightly rotting yam. Ugly is only skin deep, however. >This >monstrosity sold for a cool million. > >Meteorites > >Indeed, there's a competitive market for meteorites, which some people consider >art. At one ``meteorite gallery'' we see a fairly modest projectile on sale for >$89,000; the one unearthed earlier in the show is appraised at $12,000. > >In another segment, a plasma television is sawed in half, followed by a short >tutorial on how plasma works. We also learn that screens in the future will >likely be paper-thin. > >Later, we visit an underwater facility off the Florida coast where astronauts >prepare for life in the stars. Water is a ``close analogue'' to space and the >10-day, highly confining experience helps determine if would-be spacefolk can >hack life locked in an alien environment. > >The only touch of controversy comes in a segment on embryonic stem-cell >researcher Renee Reijo-Pera, who started her career as a bookkeeper in an >auto-repair shop. > >These cells, she explains, have no fixed identity and so can be used to repair >muscle, nerve, liver, skin and other damaged cells. As for suggestions that >embryos should be considered sacrosanct, she responds they have a great deal of >``potential'' but ``no potential if discarded.'' > >Electric Car > >On a lighter note, there's a look at those ``rocket packs'' made famous by >James >Bond and once considered a possible weapons system. That project, known as >Operation Grasshopper, didn't return much on investment though there was >intense >interest at high levels. > >Archived footage shows President John F. Kennedy at one flight demonstration. >This was neat stuff, but a rocketing soldier could easily be brought down by >even a slightly talented marksman. > >As the show winds down there's a brief interview with Elon Musk, former chief >executive officer of PayPal Inc. and now involved in higher-tech developments, >including an electric car that will go from zero to 60 in under four seconds. >That's faster than all Porsches and almost all Ferraris. > >`Good Viruses' > >The first model is scheduled to roll out in six or seven months, Musk says, >though where to drive these earth-bound rockets is a subject left untouched. > >The show ends with a look at ``good viruses'' found in the highly acidic >thermal >fields of Yellowstone. So-called ``extremomphiles'' can be hollowed out and >used >to transport chemotherapy directly into cancer cells. > >These microscopic multitaskers can also be used to produce hydrogen -- thus >helping us beat our addiction to foreign oil -- and develop hard drives with >storage capacity 10,000 times that of those currently available. > >Viewer response, augmented by market research, will determine if this show, or >one of its competitors, gets a 10-week gig starting next fall. The winner will >provide a viewing alternative to the presidential horserace, which will by then >be in full gallop. > >A no-brainer, no matter which show prevails. > >For more information, visit http://www.pbs.org . > >(Dave Shiflett is a critic for Bloomberg News. The opinions expressed are his >own.) > >To contact the writer of this s
Re: [meteorite-list] Dave Shiflett-- no fan of the brenham
Who bought it for a"cool million"?? Museum? Matt Darren Garrison wrote: >"...a 1,400-pound space rock that resembles a massive, slightly rotting yam. >Ugly is only skin deep, however. This monstrosity sold for a cool million." > > >http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601088&sid=a.flI69Q4Dvg&refer=muse > >Pilot Science Show Features Meteorites, Stem Cells, Speedy Cars > >By Dave Shiflett > >Jan. 2 (Bloomberg) -- A new PBS show promises breaking news from the world of >science, a nice alternative to cable news alerts whenever the president stubs >his toe. > >``Wired Science,'' which debuts tomorrow at 8 p.m. New York time, is part of an >interesting contest in which viewers will help decide PBS's next weekly science >program. Two other pilots, ``Science Investigators'' (Jan. 10) and ``22nd >Century'' (Jan. 17), round out the competition. > >``Wired Science,'' a fast-paced, far-reaching collaboration between PBS and >Wired magazine, will be hard to beat. > >The hour-long show kicks off with a segment on professional meteorite hunters. >Viewers contemplating a career move should take note: Sometimes heaven rains >far >more than pennies. > >Steve Arnold, a professional meteorite hunter, drags a jerry-built metal >detector through an otherwise nondescript Kansas field. Strange noises emanate >from the machine and fierce digging commences. Wired correspondent Adam Rogers >reaches down into the dirt and pulls out a meteorite the size of an anvil. > >It won't bring as much as an earlier find: a 1,400-pound space rock that >resembles a massive, slightly rotting yam. Ugly is only skin deep, however. >This >monstrosity sold for a cool million. > >Meteorites > >Indeed, there's a competitive market for meteorites, which some people consider >art. At one ``meteorite gallery'' we see a fairly modest projectile on sale for >$89,000; the one unearthed earlier in the show is appraised at $12,000. > >In another segment, a plasma television is sawed in half, followed by a short >tutorial on how plasma works. We also learn that screens in the future will >likely be paper-thin. > >Later, we visit an underwater facility off the Florida coast where astronauts >prepare for life in the stars. Water is a ``close analogue'' to space and the >10-day, highly confining experience helps determine if would-be spacefolk can >hack life locked in an alien environment. > >The only touch of controversy comes in a segment on embryonic stem-cell >researcher Renee Reijo-Pera, who started her career as a bookkeeper in an >auto-repair shop. > >These cells, she explains, have no fixed identity and so can be used to repair >muscle, nerve, liver, skin and other damaged cells. As for suggestions that >embryos should be considered sacrosanct, she responds they have a great deal of >``potential'' but ``no potential if discarded.'' > >Electric Car > >On a lighter note, there's a look at those ``rocket packs'' made famous by >James >Bond and once considered a possible weapons system. That project, known as >Operation Grasshopper, didn't return much on investment though there was >intense >interest at high levels. > >Archived footage shows President John F. Kennedy at one flight demonstration. >This was neat stuff, but a rocketing soldier could easily be brought down by >even a slightly talented marksman. > >As the show winds down there's a brief interview with Elon Musk, former chief >executive officer of PayPal Inc. and now involved in higher-tech developments, >including an electric car that will go from zero to 60 in under four seconds. >That's faster than all Porsches and almost all Ferraris. > >`Good Viruses' > >The first model is scheduled to roll out in six or seven months, Musk says, >though where to drive these earth-bound rockets is a subject left untouched. > >The show ends with a look at ``good viruses'' found in the highly acidic >thermal >fields of Yellowstone. So-called ``extremomphiles'' can be hollowed out and >used >to transport chemotherapy directly into cancer cells. > >These microscopic multitaskers can also be used to produce hydrogen -- thus >helping us beat our addiction to foreign oil -- and develop hard drives with >storage capacity 10,000 times that of those currently available. > >Viewer response, augmented by market research, will determine if this show, or >one of its competitors, gets a 10-week gig starting next fall. The winner will >provide a viewing alternative to the presidential horserace, which will by then >be in full gallop. > >A no-brainer, no matter which show prevails. > >For more information, visit http://www.pbs.org . > >(Dave Shiflett is a critic for Bloomberg News. The opinions expressed are his >own.) > >To contact the writer of this story: Dave Shiflett at [EMAIL PROTECTED] . >__ >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > >
[meteorite-list] Dave Shiflett-- no fan of the brenham
"...a 1,400-pound space rock that resembles a massive, slightly rotting yam. Ugly is only skin deep, however. This monstrosity sold for a cool million." http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601088&sid=a.flI69Q4Dvg&refer=muse Pilot Science Show Features Meteorites, Stem Cells, Speedy Cars By Dave Shiflett Jan. 2 (Bloomberg) -- A new PBS show promises breaking news from the world of science, a nice alternative to cable news alerts whenever the president stubs his toe. ``Wired Science,'' which debuts tomorrow at 8 p.m. New York time, is part of an interesting contest in which viewers will help decide PBS's next weekly science program. Two other pilots, ``Science Investigators'' (Jan. 10) and ``22nd Century'' (Jan. 17), round out the competition. ``Wired Science,'' a fast-paced, far-reaching collaboration between PBS and Wired magazine, will be hard to beat. The hour-long show kicks off with a segment on professional meteorite hunters. Viewers contemplating a career move should take note: Sometimes heaven rains far more than pennies. Steve Arnold, a professional meteorite hunter, drags a jerry-built metal detector through an otherwise nondescript Kansas field. Strange noises emanate from the machine and fierce digging commences. Wired correspondent Adam Rogers reaches down into the dirt and pulls out a meteorite the size of an anvil. It won't bring as much as an earlier find: a 1,400-pound space rock that resembles a massive, slightly rotting yam. Ugly is only skin deep, however. This monstrosity sold for a cool million. Meteorites Indeed, there's a competitive market for meteorites, which some people consider art. At one ``meteorite gallery'' we see a fairly modest projectile on sale for $89,000; the one unearthed earlier in the show is appraised at $12,000. In another segment, a plasma television is sawed in half, followed by a short tutorial on how plasma works. We also learn that screens in the future will likely be paper-thin. Later, we visit an underwater facility off the Florida coast where astronauts prepare for life in the stars. Water is a ``close analogue'' to space and the 10-day, highly confining experience helps determine if would-be spacefolk can hack life locked in an alien environment. The only touch of controversy comes in a segment on embryonic stem-cell researcher Renee Reijo-Pera, who started her career as a bookkeeper in an auto-repair shop. These cells, she explains, have no fixed identity and so can be used to repair muscle, nerve, liver, skin and other damaged cells. As for suggestions that embryos should be considered sacrosanct, she responds they have a great deal of ``potential'' but ``no potential if discarded.'' Electric Car On a lighter note, there's a look at those ``rocket packs'' made famous by James Bond and once considered a possible weapons system. That project, known as Operation Grasshopper, didn't return much on investment though there was intense interest at high levels. Archived footage shows President John F. Kennedy at one flight demonstration. This was neat stuff, but a rocketing soldier could easily be brought down by even a slightly talented marksman. As the show winds down there's a brief interview with Elon Musk, former chief executive officer of PayPal Inc. and now involved in higher-tech developments, including an electric car that will go from zero to 60 in under four seconds. That's faster than all Porsches and almost all Ferraris. `Good Viruses' The first model is scheduled to roll out in six or seven months, Musk says, though where to drive these earth-bound rockets is a subject left untouched. The show ends with a look at ``good viruses'' found in the highly acidic thermal fields of Yellowstone. So-called ``extremomphiles'' can be hollowed out and used to transport chemotherapy directly into cancer cells. These microscopic multitaskers can also be used to produce hydrogen -- thus helping us beat our addiction to foreign oil -- and develop hard drives with storage capacity 10,000 times that of those currently available. Viewer response, augmented by market research, will determine if this show, or one of its competitors, gets a 10-week gig starting next fall. The winner will provide a viewing alternative to the presidential horserace, which will by then be in full gallop. A no-brainer, no matter which show prevails. For more information, visit http://www.pbs.org . (Dave Shiflett is a critic for Bloomberg News. The opinions expressed are his own.) To contact the writer of this story: Dave Shiflett at [EMAIL PROTECTED] . __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
