[meteorite-list] Ebay shipping charges???
Hello List, Are we missing something? Mike farmer must be the worst, with his one dollar shipping Others charge two, three, four, some even five and six dollars. I was looking for a computer mouse for my daughter and almost fell of my chair seeing the shipping costs on these auctions! Six dollars was low for a computer mouse, nine, ten, twelve were normal and fifteen on the high side. One guy had eighteen ($18) shipping and a note saying if you don't like the shipping amount don't bid and don't ask me for to come down on the charge! All of these SH charges were for a single mouse. I am not talking about a few of the auctions, I am talking just about every one of them! Are we undercharging on our shipping or are they all trying to rip people off? Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Tom, you are missing nothing. High shipping charges are just another scam to rip people off and make some more profit. You should all note who does this. I see so many people charging $3.95 or $4 which is the priority rate in the USA and then sending first class for .50 cents! This is especially true with books. I have always tried to be as fair as possible with the $1 shipping on most small items. This is a simple charge, and sometimes it costs me a little less to send, sometimes more, but it works out for all of us and all of my customers are always very happy with that. Mike Farmer --- Tom aka James Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello List, Are we missing something? Mike farmer must be the worst, with his one dollar shipping Others charge two, three, four, some even five and six dollars. I was looking for a computer mouse for my daughter and almost fell of my chair seeing the shipping costs on these auctions! Six dollars was low for a computer mouse, nine, ten, twelve were normal and fifteen on the high side. One guy had eighteen ($18) shipping and a note saying if you don't like the shipping amount don't bid and don't ask me for to come down on the charge! All of these SH charges were for a single mouse. I am not talking about a few of the auctions, I am talking just about every one of them! Are we undercharging on our shipping or are they all trying to rip people off? Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay shipping charges???
Hi Tom and all, Most meteorite dealers I know charge EXACTLY the cost of shipping. Some use 3rd class mail - others 1st class - others priority. Some include the cost of shipping - most pay for shipping on orders over $1,000. But I know of NO meteorite dealers who charge handling fees - which are nothing less than, I got you and there isn't anything you can do about it - it ticks me off no end. If a dealer INCLUDES shipping, you can be SURE you are paying for it in the price - he can't stay in business without covering costs - that is as fundamental as it gets. However, I got the impression your gripe was mostly with non-meteorite dealers - and I'm with you, charging a handling fee is charging you for buying from them ON TOP of the item cost and shipping costs. Now, a packaging fee is different, and in SOME instances can be warranted - when the BOX the item requires for safety COSTS the seller he has to cover it- with a fee or in the price - one way or the other. Ironically, this is most significant the cheaper the item, as it represents a much larger percentage of the cost. SOMETIMES handling is to cover such things, but mostly it is a total rip off. Like I said, I know of no meteorite dealer that charges more than actual cost of shipping and insurance and most cover those for purchases over $1,000. Best wishes, Michael on 9/4/03 7:03 AM, Tom aka James Knudson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello List, Are we missing something? Mike farmer must be the worst, with his one dollar shipping Others charge two, three, four, some even five and six dollars. I was looking for a computer mouse for my daughter and almost fell of my chair seeing the shipping costs on these auctions! Six dollars was low for a computer mouse, nine, ten, twelve were normal and fifteen on the high side. One guy had eighteen ($18) shipping and a note saying if you don't like the shipping amount don't bid and don't ask me for to come down on the charge! All of these SH charges were for a single mouse. I am not talking about a few of the auctions, I am talking just about every one of them! Are we undercharging on our shipping or are they all trying to rip people off? Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. Philip K. Dick -- SUPPORT OUR TROUPS: http://www.takebackthemedia.com/onearmy.html -- Worth Seeing: - Earth at night from satellite: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg - Interactive Lady Liberty: http://doody36.home.attbi.com/liberty.htm - Earth - variety of choices: http://www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/vplanet.html -- Panoramic view of Meteor Crater: http://www.virtualguidebooks.com/Arizona/GrandCanyonRoute66/MeteorCrater/Met eorCraterRimL.html -- Cool Calendar Clock: http://www.yugop.com/ver3/stuff/03/fla.html -- Michael Blood Meteorites Didgeridoos for sale at: http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Tom snd list- Mike Farmer is the WORST? Actually, he is one of the best. He is always considerate of his customers and ships close to his real life costs. Micros are basically the mailer envelope cost and 1st class postage which is about a dollar. There are many other people out there that are very considerate also when it comes to shipping. Some people will only send priority and that is about $4. I have asked them to cut back to basic first class at times for a low cost piece and many of them will. But I do that before I bid. If they want a high price for shipping- that is where I start in my mindset of the meteorite's value. If it winds up too high, even for a piece I would like in my collection, I won't bid. It all balances in the end to what their final price to the bidder/winner is. People see through it. Mike Groetz --- Tom aka James Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello List, Are we missing something? Mike farmer must be the worst, with his one dollar shipping Others charge two, three, four, some even five and six dollars. I was looking for a computer mouse for my daughter and almost fell of my chair seeing the shipping costs on these auctions! Six dollars was low for a computer mouse, nine, ten, twelve were normal and fifteen on the high side. One guy had eighteen ($18) shipping and a note saying if you don't like the shipping amount don't bid and don't ask me for to come down on the charge! All of these SH charges were for a single mouse. I am not talking about a few of the auctions, I am talking just about every one of them! Are we undercharging on our shipping or are they all trying to rip people off? Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ebay shipping charges???
Mike Farmer is the WORST? Actually, he is one of the best. WOW...I think Tom was trying to be sarcastic. LOL -Ryan __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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I thought I would chime in on this subject...while reading this keep in mind that I do not sell meteorites on any kind of regular basis. One point that is the MOST important that I did not see in this discussion (might have missed it) is that it is the BUYERS responsibility to ASK about the shipping costs before bidding. Email the seller, ask how it will be shipped, ask the cost, and if you do not get a satisfactory answerGO SOMEWHERE ELSEit is that simple. Tell the seller if they tell you it will be shipped by Priority Mail and it is shipped first class that you will notify the Postal Inspector. If you are charged for a certain mail class and they ship by another cheaper mail class that is mail fraud...a Felony. I know this as I have the regulations here because I am licensed to print my own postage. I also know that the USPS takes this seriously as I have reported just such a violation on 2 cases and both times received a refund from the seller. You have to ask questionspin down the seller as to the type of postage and the amount and then make them stick to it. If they screw you even after doing that...leave a negative and contact the postal inspector. Bidders do not like to see negative feedback comments about being overcharged for a mail class that the seller did not use. By emailing the seller and having them reply to you about the type of shipping you will be using you have in writing their admission to the crime when they ship with a different mail class. That is all the postal inspector needs and that is the only evidence I needed that and the box with the postage and addresses on the box. What I do not understand is how anyone can buy anything on Ebay without emailing the seller if they have a question. Would you buy a car that is missing a door if the saleman acted as though the door was there? Of course not...you would ask if the car will have the door if you buy it. Would you buy a house without asking questions about it? If you would contact meI have some property JUST for you. Everyone using ebay has to use the gray matter in their head. Look at the item, know what it is you are buying, know what the cost will be, and then ASK lots of questions if you have them, if you do not ask then it is YOUR fault if you get shafted. In the case of our items...mostly all fragile..we charge a handling fee. The fee covers our cost of packing materials. We also state very clearly that we charge a handling fee. That is where we differ from most sellers that charge more than the cost of the postage. On fragile items we charge for the popcorn and the bubblewrap per usage. On non breakable items such as books we use media mail and charge only postage. We use mainly Priority Mail...if you pay for priority we use priority. On item that require a special box we charge for the box and say so in the description. We pack items with great care and use only the proper materials...that costs us money and we pass the cost on to the consumer. We could add it to the starting price of the item, we prefer to charge it after the sale and tell the bidder the extra costone bidder in 100 complains and they are usually the type that would have us ship a glass plate in a padded envelope. Most people opt out of insuring their item and our extra care means that their risk is lessened. We finally had our first item damaged this year by shippingit was insured and the buyer will have the claim money in less than 10 days. If the item does not need bubblewrap and popcorn...such as linen...then you pay what my scale says in my postage software and that is all. Now that I have typed too much on the subject my point is ASK the proper questions, if you do not get the proper responseSAVE your money for another day. Thanks for listening, Mark M. Phoenix AZ Ebay ID = desertcrystal - Original Message - From: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tom aka James Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 11:15 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay shipping charges??? Hi Tom and all, Most meteorite dealers I know charge EXACTLY the cost of shipping. Some use 3rd class mail - others 1st class - others priority. Some include the cost of shipping - most pay for shipping on orders over $1,000. But I know of NO meteorite dealers who charge handling fees - which are nothing less than, I got you and there isn't anything you can do about it - it ticks me off no end. If a dealer INCLUDES shipping, you can be SURE you are paying for it in the price - he can't stay in business without covering costs - that is as fundamental as it gets. However, I got the impression your gripe was mostly with non-meteorite dealers - and I'm with you, charging a handling fee is charging you for buying from them ON TOP of the item cost and shipping costs. Now, a packaging fee is different, and in SOME instances can be warranted - when
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Hello, Tom and List, I think I have to put a line in to this subject as well. Since Sep. 11th postal security here down-under has dramatically increased, and every item, not to be a document/ card/letter has to be sent as a small parcel with ID procided etc. The cheapest air-mail parcel is AUD $ 7.00 to the U.S.A. and AUD $ 8.00 to the rest of the world. And in quite some cases the postage charged does not even cover the postage paid, believe me! :-( FXConverter - 164 Currency Converter Results Thursday, September 4, 2003 7Australian Dollar = 4.48539US Dollar 8Australian Dollar = 5.12616US Dollar We are asking for USD $ 5.00 P/H for the first item and USD $ 1.00 for every additional one.You see, we are not trying to make money on postage charges. Handling of the item and packing material are not even taken into consideration. We are certainly trying to be fair, but it is really up to the individual to do the calculation and to decide if he/she wants to place a bid. I hope you will still be bidding at our auctions. ;-) -- Best_regards Best regards from DOWN-UNDER, Norbert Heike Kammel ROCKS ON FIRE IMCA #3420 www.rocksonfire.com Tom aka James Knudson wrote: Hello List, Are we missing something? Mike farmer must be the worst, with his one dollar shipping Others charge two, three, four, some even five and six dollars. I was looking for a computer mouse for my daughter and almost fell of my chair seeing the shipping costs on these auctions! Six dollars was low for a computer mouse, nine, ten, twelve were normal and fifteen on the high side. One guy had eighteen ($18) shipping and a note saying if you don't like the shipping amount don't bid and don't ask me for to come down on the charge! All of these SH charges were for a single mouse. I am not talking about a few of the auctions, I am talking just about every one of them! Are we undercharging on our shipping or are they all trying to rip people off? Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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- Original Message - From: joann breitbarth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mark Miconi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay shipping charges??? Wow. There's nothing like a surprise shipping charge. Mark is sure right about clarifying things in advance. I'm the type of person that will drive 20 miles out of the way to fill up at a gas station that charges less even if it costs me more to get there than I save. It's kind of an insult when mailing is glaringly overpriced. I always thought USPS priority was a real deal till they jacked their rates. You would think that all the new business they got from ebay would have kept rates stable? Yeah...I'm naive... Regards - Original Message - From: Mark Miconi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tom aka James Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay shipping charges??? I thought I would chime in on this subject...while reading this keep in mind that I do not sell meteorites on any kind of regular basis. One point that is the MOST important that I did not see in this discussion (might have missed it) is that it is the BUYERS responsibility to ASK about the shipping costs before bidding. Email the seller, ask how it will be shipped, ask the cost, and if you do not get a satisfactory answerGO SOMEWHERE ELSEit is that simple. Tell the seller if they tell you it will be shipped by Priority Mail and it is shipped first class that you will notify the Postal Inspector. If you are charged for a certain mail class and they ship by another cheaper mail class that is mail fraud...a Felony. I know this as I have the regulations here because I am licensed to print my own postage. I also know that the USPS takes this seriously as I have reported just such a violation on 2 cases and both times received a refund from the seller. You have to ask questionspin down the seller as to the type of postage and the amount and then make them stick to it. If they screw you even after doing that...leave a negative and contact the postal inspector. Bidders do not like to see negative feedback comments about being overcharged for a mail class that the seller did not use. By emailing the seller and having them reply to you about the type of shipping you will be using you have in writing their admission to the crime when they ship with a different mail class. That is all the postal inspector needs and that is the only evidence I needed that and the box with the postage and addresses on the box. What I do not understand is how anyone can buy anything on Ebay without emailing the seller if they have a question. Would you buy a car that is missing a door if the saleman acted as though the door was there? Of course not...you would ask if the car will have the door if you buy it. Would you buy a house without asking questions about it? If you would contact meI have some property JUST for you. Everyone using ebay has to use the gray matter in their head. Look at the item, know what it is you are buying, know what the cost will be, and then ASK lots of questions if you have them, if you do not ask then it is YOUR fault if you get shafted. In the case of our items...mostly all fragile..we charge a handling fee. The fee covers our cost of packing materials. We also state very clearly that we charge a handling fee. That is where we differ from most sellers that charge more than the cost of the postage. On fragile items we charge for the popcorn and the bubblewrap per usage. On non breakable items such as books we use media mail and charge only postage. We use mainly Priority Mail...if you pay for priority we use priority. On item that require a special box we charge for the box and say so in the description. We pack items with great care and use only the proper materials...that costs us money and we pass the cost on to the consumer. We could add it to the starting price of the item, we prefer to charge it after the sale and tell the bidder the extra costone bidder in 100 complains and they are usually the type that would have us ship a glass plate in a padded envelope. Most people opt out of insuring their item and our extra care means that their risk is lessened. We finally had our first item damaged this year by shippingit was insured and the buyer will have the claim money in less than 10 days. If the item does not need bubblewrap and popcorn...such as linen...then you pay what my scale says in my postage software and that is all. Now that I have typed too much on the subject my point is ASK the proper questions, if you do not get the proper responseSAVE your money for another day. Thanks for listening, Mark M
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Norbert Heike Kammel, I was only complaining about the computer components. They charge so much more than meteorite dealers! I have no complaints about any of the meteorite sellers. Meteorite dealers are all reasonable!! : ) Thanks, TomPeregrineflier The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 - Original Message - From: ROCKS ON FIRE To: Tom aka James Knudson Cc: meteorite-list Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 4:06 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay shipping charges??? Hello, Tom and List,I think I have to put a line in to this subject as well.Since Sep. 11th postal security here down-under has dramatically increased, and every item, not to be a document/ card/letter has to be sent as a small parcel with ID procided etc.The cheapest air-mail parcel is AUD $ 7.00 to the U.S.A. and AUD $ 8.00 to the rest of the world. And in quite some cases the postage charged does not even cover the postage paid, believe me! :-( FXConverter - 164 Currency Converter Results Thursday, September 4, 2003 7 Australian Dollar = 4.48539 US Dollar 8 Australian Dollar = 5.12616 US Dollar We are asking for USD $ 5.00 P/H for the first item and USD $ 1.00 for every additional one.You see, we are not trying to make money on postage charges. Handling of the item and packing material are not even taken into consideration.We are certainly trying to be fair, but it is really up to the individual to do the calculation and to decide if he/she wants to place a bid.I hope you will still be bidding at our auctions. ;-) -- Best regards from DOWN-UNDER,Norbert Heike Kammel ROCKS ON FIRE IMCA #3420www.rocksonfire.com Tom aka James Knudson wrote: Hello List, Are we missing something? Mike farmer must be the worst, with his one dollar shipping Others charge two, three, four, some even five and six dollars. I was looking for a computer mouse for my daughter and almost fell of my chair seeing the shipping costs on these auctions! Six dollars was low for a computer mouse, nine, ten, twelve were normal and fifteen on the high side. One guy had eighteen ($18) shipping and a note saying if you don't like the shipping amount don't bid and don't ask me for to come down on the charge! All of these SH charges were for a single mouse. I am not talking about a few of the auctions, I am talking just about every one of them! Are we undercharging on our shipping or are they all trying to rip people off? Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
