Re: [meteorite-list] First fragment of Chelyabinsk meteorite raised from bottom of, Lake Chebarkul

2013-09-26 Thread karmaka
Dear list members,
 
another five specimens (10-30 cm) have apparently been raised from the bottom 
of  lake Chebarkul today: 
 
http://vk.com/video_ext.php?oid=11467297id=166378528hash=c2821f4a5482c8fbhd=3
 
 
source: 

http://www.dostup1.ru/society/So-dna-Chebarkulya-dostali-esche-5-oskolkov-meteorita.html
 
 
Best regards
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] First fragment of Chelyabinsk meteorite raised from bottom of, Lake Chebarkul

2013-09-26 Thread Michael Farmer
Wow, they have pulled up some serious kilos of fragments! It seems the mass 
shattered on impact with the ice surprisingly. I'm
glad they are recovering this material.
Clearly nice large brecciated pieces.
Michael Farmer


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 On Sep 26, 2013, at 9:31 AM, karmaka karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de wrote:
 
 Dear list members,
 
 another five specimens (10-30 cm) have apparently been raised from the bottom 
 of  lake Chebarkul today: 
 
 http://vk.com/video_ext.php?oid=11467297id=166378528hash=c2821f4a5482c8fbhd=3
  
 
 source: 
 
 http://www.dostup1.ru/society/So-dna-Chebarkulya-dostali-esche-5-oskolkov-meteorita.html
  
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] First fragment of Chelyabinsk meteorite raised from bottom of, Lake Chebarkul

2013-09-26 Thread Pict
I know what you mean Mike. I was thinking one honking big lump down there.
On reflection though, I can imagine a couple of feet of ice giving as good
as it gets at the collision speeds involved. Judging by the propensity of
tiny bits this big one may well have been pretty beat up and fractured
before impact. Drive a fast car flat out into a wall of ice like that and
I'm pretty sure the leftovers would be pretty mangled.

John

On 26/09/2013 22:33, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote:

Wow, they have pulled up some serious kilos of fragments! It seems the
mass shattered on impact with the ice surprisingly. I'm
glad they are recovering this material.
Clearly nice large brecciated pieces.
Michael Farmer


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 On Sep 26, 2013, at 9:31 AM, karmaka karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de
wrote:
 
 Dear list members,
 
 another five specimens (10-30 cm) have apparently been raised from the
bottom of  lake Chebarkul today:
 
 
http://vk.com/video_ext.php?oid=11467297id=166378528hash=c2821f4a5482c8
fbhd=3 
 
 source: 
 
 
http://www.dostup1.ru/society/So-dna-Chebarkulya-dostali-esche-5-oskolkov
-meteorita.html 
 
 Best regards
 
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[meteorite-list] First fragment of Chelyabinsk meteorite raised from bottom of, Lake Chebarkul

2013-09-25 Thread Shawn Alan
Hello Listers,

Here another link not sure if this been posted, but it crazy how it did oxidize 
in the water. Now the question is home mush will it oxidize on the surface.
I wonder if the state of this fragment will hold true for the mother load :) 
Only time will tell.
It would be cool to own a sample from the bottom of the lake, once they bring 
it up to the surface :)

Shawn Alan
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The Article 

Tiny Chelyabinsk Meteorite Fragment Found, Big to Be Lifted Soon
Topic: Hail of Meteorite Fragments Hits Russia


YEKATERINBURG, September 25 (RIA Novosti) – While removing silt in an effort to 
fish out a huge chunk of meteorite from the bottom of a lake in Russia’s Urals, 
divers recovered a smaller meteorite on Tuesday, scientists said.

A meteorite, estimated to weigh about 10,000 metric tons, exploded over the 
Chelyabinsk Region in February. The biggest of chunks that the celestial body 
fragmented into ended up in the local Chebarkul Lake, and silt is now being 
pumped from the lakebed to recover it.
According to scientists, the huge chunk, weighting hundreds of metric tons, is 
buried under a 2.5-meter (8.2-foot) layer of silt. Scientists expect to remove 
the silt around it on Wednesday evening.

However, divers came across a smaller one on Monday evening, but were unable to 
recover it because of a huge amount of silt on the lakebed. The rock was 
eventually recovered early on Tuesday.

“A meteorite chunk roughly the size of a human fist has been lifted from the 
depth of 13 meters [43 feet] in Lake Chebarkul,” the Urals Federal University 
said in a statement.

Viktor Grokhovsky, the founder and longstanding leader of the university’s 
meteorite expedition, said he studied the images of the smaller meteorite and 
confirmed its space origin.

source: 
http://en.ria.ru/russia/20130925/183707251/Tiny-Chelyabink-Meteorite-Fragment-Found-Big-to-Be-Lifted-Soon.html
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] First fragment of Chelyabinsk meteorite raised from bottom of, Lake Chebarkul

2013-09-25 Thread karmaka
Hi Shawn,
 
that photo does not show the specimen from the lake but the first bigger 
specimen found months ago
on the surface.
 
Best regards
 
Martin
 
Von: Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com
 An: Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Betreff: [meteorite-list] First fragment of Chelyabinsk meteorite raised from 
bottom of, Lake Chebarkul
 Datum: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 17:29:17 +0200
 
Hello Listers,
 
 Here another link not sure if this been posted, but it crazy how it did 
oxidize in the water. Now the question is home mush will it oxidize on the 
surface.
 I wonder if the state of this fragment will hold true for the mother load :) 
Only time will tell.
 It would be cool to own a sample from the bottom of the lake, once they bring 
it up to the surface :)
 
 Shawn Alan
 IMCA 1633 
 ebay store
 http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633nyc/m.html
 http://meteoritefalls.com/
 
 
 The Article 
 
 Tiny Chelyabinsk Meteorite Fragment Found, Big to Be Lifted Soon
 Topic: Hail of Meteorite Fragments Hits Russia
 
 
 YEKATERINBURG, September 25 (RIA Novosti) – While removing silt in an effort 
to fish out a huge chunk of meteorite from the bottom of a lake in Russia’s 
Urals, divers recovered a smaller meteorite on Tuesday, scientists said.
 
 A meteorite, estimated to weigh about 10,000 metric tons, exploded over the 
Chelyabinsk Region in February. The biggest of chunks that the celestial body 
fragmented into ended up in the local Chebarkul Lake, and silt is now being 
pumped from the lakebed to recover it.
 According to scientists, the huge chunk, weighting hundreds of metric tons, is 
buried under a 2.5-meter (8.2-foot) layer of silt. Scientists expect to remove 
the silt around it on Wednesday evening.
 
 However, divers came across a smaller one on Monday evening, but were unable 
to recover it because of a huge amount of silt on the lakebed. The rock was 
eventually recovered early on Tuesday.
 
 “A meteorite chunk roughly the size of a human fist has been lifted from the 
depth of 13 meters [43 feet] in Lake Chebarkul,” the Urals Federal University 
said in a statement.
 
 Viktor Grokhovsky, the founder and longstanding leader of the university’s 
meteorite expedition, said he studied the images of the smaller meteorite and 
confirmed its space origin.
 
 source: 
http://en.ria.ru/russia/20130925/183707251/Tiny-Chelyabink-Meteorite-Fragment-Found-Big-to-Be-Lifted-Soon.html
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] First fragment of Chelyabinsk meteorite raised from bottom of, Lake Chebarkul

2013-09-25 Thread Michael Farmer
Yes, I was in that University in March in Yekaterinburg and saw those pieces in 
person. I met with Dr. Gresheky (sp) and had a great tour of the amazing 
laboratory facilities and saw hundreds of Chelyabinsk specimens found just 
after the fall.

Michael Farmer

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On Sep 25, 2013, at 8:55 AM, karmaka karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de wrote:

 Hi Shawn,
 
 that photo does not show the specimen from the lake but the first bigger 
 specimen found months ago
 on the surface.
 
 Best regards
 
 Martin
 
 Von: Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com
 An: Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Betreff: [meteorite-list] First fragment of Chelyabinsk meteorite raised from 
 bottom of, Lake Chebarkul
 Datum: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 17:29:17 +0200
 
 Hello Listers,
 
 Here another link not sure if this been posted, but it crazy how it did 
 oxidize in the water. Now the question is home mush will it oxidize on the 
 surface.
 I wonder if the state of this fragment will hold true for the mother load :) 
 Only time will tell.
 It would be cool to own a sample from the bottom of the lake, once they bring 
 it up to the surface :)
 
 Shawn Alan
 IMCA 1633 
 ebay store
 http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633nyc/m.html
 http://meteoritefalls.com/
 
 
 The Article 
 
 Tiny Chelyabinsk Meteorite Fragment Found, Big to Be Lifted Soon
 Topic: Hail of Meteorite Fragments Hits Russia
 
 
 YEKATERINBURG, September 25 (RIA Novosti) – While removing silt in an effort 
 to fish out a huge chunk of meteorite from the bottom of a lake in Russia’s 
 Urals, divers recovered a smaller meteorite on Tuesday, scientists said.
 
 A meteorite, estimated to weigh about 10,000 metric tons, exploded over the 
 Chelyabinsk Region in February. The biggest of chunks that the celestial body 
 fragmented into ended up in the local Chebarkul Lake, and silt is now being 
 pumped from the lakebed to recover it.
 According to scientists, the huge chunk, weighting hundreds of metric tons, 
 is buried under a 2.5-meter (8.2-foot) layer of silt. Scientists expect to 
 remove the silt around it on Wednesday evening.
 
 However, divers came across a smaller one on Monday evening, but were unable 
 to recover it because of a huge amount of silt on the lakebed. The rock was 
 eventually recovered early on Tuesday.
 
 “A meteorite chunk roughly the size of a human fist has been lifted from the 
 depth of 13 meters [43 feet] in Lake Chebarkul,” the Urals Federal University 
 said in a statement.
 
 Viktor Grokhovsky, the founder and longstanding leader of the university’s 
 meteorite expedition, said he studied the images of the smaller meteorite and 
 confirmed its space origin.
 
 source: 
 http://en.ria.ru/russia/20130925/183707251/Tiny-Chelyabink-Meteorite-Fragment-Found-Big-to-Be-Lifted-Soon.html
  
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[meteorite-list] First fragment of Chelyabinsk meteorite raised from bottom of Lake Chebarkul

2013-09-24 Thread karmaka
The first specimen was raised from the bottom of Lake Chebarkul this morning:

http://kp.ua/daily/240913/415052/

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=desl=rutl=enu=http%3A%2F%2Fkp.ua%2Fdaily%2F240913%2F415052%2Fsandbox=1

More to come...

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[meteorite-list] First fragment of Chelyabinsk meteorite raised from bottom of Lake Chebarkul

2013-09-24 Thread karmaka
The first specimen was raised from the bottom of Lake Chebarkul this morning:

http://kp.ua/daily/240913/415052/

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=desl=rutl=enu=http%3A%2F%2Fkp.ua%2Fdaily%2F240913%2F415052%2Fsandbox=1

More to come...

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Re: [meteorite-list] First fragment of Chelyabinsk meteorite raised from bottom of Lake Chebarkul

2013-09-24 Thread Mendy Ouzillou
I am stunned at how fresh looking it is. Being submerged for that long, it 
should have been MUCH more weathered. Makes me a bit suspicious ...



Mendy Ouzillou




 From: karmaka karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de
To: met-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 7:26 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] First fragment of Chelyabinsk meteorite raised from 
bottom of Lake Chebarkul
 

The first specimen was raised from the bottom of Lake Chebarkul this morning:

http://kp.ua/daily/240913/415052/

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=desl=rutl=enu=http%3A%2F%2Fkp.ua%2Fdaily%2F240913%2F415052%2Fsandbox=1

More to come...

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Re: [meteorite-list] First fragment of Chelyabinsk meteorite raised from bottom of Lake Chebarkul

2013-09-24 Thread Matthias Bärmann


Great news, Martin, thanks so much.

Obviously this breathtaking meteorite was well preserved in the layer of mud 
at the bottom of Lake Chebarkul.


Best regards
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Subject: [meteorite-list] First fragment of Chelyabinsk meteorite raised 
from bottom of Lake Chebarkul



The first specimen was raised from the bottom of Lake Chebarkul this 
morning:


http://kp.ua/daily/240913/415052/

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=desl=rutl=enu=http%3A%2F%2Fkp.ua%2Fdaily%2F240913%2F415052%2Fsandbox=1

More to come...

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Re: [meteorite-list] First fragment of Chelyabinsk meteorite raised from bottom of Lake Chebarkul

2013-09-24 Thread Galactic Stone Ironworks
Shouldn't that fragment be much more rusted if it came from the bottom
of the lake?

I've seen ugly fragments on eBay that looked much worse, and they
weren't sitting at the bottom of a lake for 6 months.

???

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On 9/24/13, karmaka karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de wrote:
 The first specimen was raised from the bottom of Lake Chebarkul this
 morning:

 http://kp.ua/daily/240913/415052/

 http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=desl=rutl=enu=http%3A%2F%2Fkp.ua%2Fdaily%2F240913%2F415052%2Fsandbox=1

 More to come...

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Re: [meteorite-list] First fragment of Chelyabinsk meteorite raised from bottom of Lake Chebarkul

2013-09-24 Thread Mark Ford
Yeah Looks like a tiny little fragment?? And way too fresh...



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from bottom of Lake Chebarkul

Shouldn't that fragment be much more rusted if it came from the bottom of the 
lake?

I've seen ugly fragments on eBay that looked much worse, and they weren't 
sitting at the bottom of a lake for 6 months.

???

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On 9/24/13, karmaka karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de wrote:
 The first specimen was raised from the bottom of Lake Chebarkul this
 morning:

 http://kp.ua/daily/240913/415052/

 http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=desl=rutl=enu=http%3A%2F%2Fkp.ua%2Fdaily%2F240913%2F415052%2Fsandbox=1

 More to come...

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Re: [meteorite-list] First fragment of Chelyabinsk meteorite raised from bottom of Lake Chebarkul

2013-09-24 Thread Galactic Stone Ironworks
The thick mud at the bottom of Lake Chebarkul is surely very oxygen-poor.

But, the stone will have been completely saturated now, like a sponge.

So the minute they remove it from the mud, the oxidation will begin
rapidly, unless they undertake measures to stabilize it.

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On 9/24/13, Mark Ford mark.f...@southernscientific.co.uk wrote:
 Yeah Looks like a tiny little fragment?? And way too fresh...



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 from bottom of Lake Chebarkul

 Shouldn't that fragment be much more rusted if it came from the bottom of
 the lake?

 I've seen ugly fragments on eBay that looked much worse, and they weren't
 sitting at the bottom of a lake for 6 months.

 ???

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 On 9/24/13, karmaka karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de wrote:
 The first specimen was raised from the bottom of Lake Chebarkul this
 morning:

 http://kp.ua/daily/240913/415052/

 http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=desl=rutl=enu=http%3A%2F%2Fkp.ua%2Fdaily%2F240913%2F415052%2Fsandbox=1

 More to come...

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Re: [meteorite-list] First fragment of Chelyabinsk meteorite raised from bottom of Lake Chebarkul

2013-09-24 Thread Michael Farmer
Chely is very solid, while there will be some damage, I think it will be not 
nearly as bad as you might think. 

Michael Farmer

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On Sep 24, 2013, at 7:51 AM, Galactic Stone  Ironworks 
meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote:

 The thick mud at the bottom of Lake Chebarkul is surely very oxygen-poor.
 
 But, the stone will have been completely saturated now, like a sponge.
 
 So the minute they remove it from the mud, the oxidation will begin
 rapidly, unless they undertake measures to stabilize it.
 
 Best regards,
 
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 Yeah Looks like a tiny little fragment?? And way too fresh...
 
 
 
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 from bottom of Lake Chebarkul
 
 Shouldn't that fragment be much more rusted if it came from the bottom of
 the lake?
 
 I've seen ugly fragments on eBay that looked much worse, and they weren't
 sitting at the bottom of a lake for 6 months.
 
 ???
 
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 On 9/24/13, karmaka karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de wrote:
 The first specimen was raised from the bottom of Lake Chebarkul this
 morning:
 
 http://kp.ua/daily/240913/415052/
 
 http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=desl=rutl=enu=http%3A%2F%2Fkp.ua%2Fdaily%2F240913%2F415052%2Fsandbox=1
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] First fragment of Chelyabinsk meteorite raised from bottom of Lake Chebarkul

2013-09-24 Thread Carl Agee
They use dry nitrogen to thaw Antarctic meteorites at NASA JSC. Maybe
that would be worth doing for the truly museum grade pieces -- if
there are any found in the lake.

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On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 8:51 AM, Galactic Stone  Ironworks
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 The thick mud at the bottom of Lake Chebarkul is surely very oxygen-poor.

 But, the stone will have been completely saturated now, like a sponge.

 So the minute they remove it from the mud, the oxidation will begin
 rapidly, unless they undertake measures to stabilize it.

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 On 9/24/13, Mark Ford mark.f...@southernscientific.co.uk wrote:
 Yeah Looks like a tiny little fragment?? And way too fresh...



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 [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Galactic
 Stone  Ironworks
 Sent: 24 September 2013 15:43
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 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] First fragment of Chelyabinsk meteorite raised
 from bottom of Lake Chebarkul

 Shouldn't that fragment be much more rusted if it came from the bottom of
 the lake?

 I've seen ugly fragments on eBay that looked much worse, and they weren't
 sitting at the bottom of a lake for 6 months.

 ???

 Best regards,

 MikeG
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 On 9/24/13, karmaka karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de wrote:
 The first specimen was raised from the bottom of Lake Chebarkul this
 morning:

 http://kp.ua/daily/240913/415052/

 http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=desl=rutl=enu=http%3A%2F%2Fkp.ua%2Fdaily%2F240913%2F415052%2Fsandbox=1

 More to come...

 Martin



 
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[meteorite-list] First fragment of Chelyabinsk meteorite raised from bottom of, Lake Chebarkul

2013-09-24 Thread Tom Randall
   Would being partially buried and temperature have an effect on it? 
Just wondering. Would cooler/colder temps slow the rusting process?


Regards!

Tom


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