I agree with you whole-heatedly, Greg. If, there is any fraud going on in
this situation I think it is imperative that it be brought to light. Not
everyone likes to look at dirty laundry, but circumstances like this can
affect a great number of people.
Best,
John
At 08:24 PM 2/7/2007, Greg Hupe wrote:
Hello Peter, Mike and List Members,
In light of what has been said publicly and privately regarding the stolen
meteorites and Allan and Iris Lang's meteorite auction, lets examine this
very carefully.
Mike Farmer earlier today announced that the three meteorites which Achim
Karl bid on and won at the live Lang auction on Saturday, February 3rd were
stolen. Mike did this in order to help the Lang's and Achim so we, as a
community, could try to find the described meteorite specimens and the
culprits who perpetrated the theft. The Monday after the auction (two
days ago), Achim went to pay for and take possession of the three lots he
won and was told in front of several well known and respected List and IMCA
Member witnesses by Allan and Iris Lang that the three auctions he won were
stolen. These auctions were; Bjurbole Lot #6 14.89 grams with old museum
labels, Gorlovka Lot # 19 2.79 grams with old museum labels and Luotolax
Lot # 34 3.2 grams.
Peter Marmet then posted to the List an email he received from Iris Lang on
Monday (see below) that he won four auctions. Two of these listed are the
very same auction specimens that Achim was told the same day in front of the
witnesses were stolen. I was told the third stolen specimen was sold to
another very well respected collector for more than twice the hammer price
it sold for at the live auction. How can they be stolen and then re-sold
on the same day??
To clear up any rumors or otherwise, I think it is in the best interest of
the entire meteorite collecting community to know the final hammer price of
the three stolen lots Achim won. Since this was a live auction similar to
Michael Blood's, all who attended would know of any absentee bidding and the
final hammer price whether the bidder was there in person or an absentee
bidder.
I think it would also be a good idea for Peter and the other winner to speak
up here in public because it sounds to me like they have been unknowingly
taken advantage of and should announce any wrong doing. This is no time to
be quiet by what looks like a disgusting abuse of trust and a gross display
of greed!
Greg
- Original Message -
From: Peter Marmet [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Meteoritenliste Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 5:35 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Stolen meteorites in Tucson ???
WHAT???
This is the e-mail that I got from Iris Lang on Monday:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Original Message:
Dear Peter Marmet,
You won the following bids at the Tucson auction:
Lot # 6 Bjurbole 14.89 grams for $
Lot # 34 Luotolax 3.2 grams for $
Lot # 38 Mighei 0.69 grams for $
Lot # 52 Quenggouk 2.9 grams for $
Allan will be home within a week. Please e-mail him to make
arrangments
for payment.
You can pay by credit card or check. Please add shipping and
handling cost.
Best regards
Iris Lang
http://www.nyrockman.com
Michael Farmer wrote:
I want to inform the list about 3 stolen meteorite
from the Al Lang Auction in Tucson.
Achim Karl was the high bidder on 3 meteorites which
were stolen from the display cases just after the
auction. They are:
Bjurbole, Lot #6 14.89 grams with old museum labels.
Gorlovka, Lot # 19 2.79 grams with old museum labels.
and Luotolax, Lot # 34. 3.2 grams.
These are rare items which the photos can be seen on
Al Langs website
www.nyrockman.com/tucson-auction-2007.htm
Anyone seeing these pieces for sale or who has any
inoformation can contact myself or Achim Karl (the
rightful owner) at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Many other meteorites were also stolen in Tucson,
Mohammed again lost around 50-60 kilos of complete
stones, and Karl Sprich from South Africa lost many
kilos of Gibeon slices and a large Campo del Cielo
with a natural hole.
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