Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Warning about Lahcen Ait Ha
It has nothing to do with the Moroccan people, just the distance and perceptions of borders. Anyone regardless of nationality who hides behind a keyboard thinking it provides anonymity to cover up swindling will eventually meet their match whether it is Gary or something else. What a chance to go unannounced and claim: (Renault) What in heaven's name brought you to Casablanca? (Blaine) My health. I came to Casablanca for the waters. (Renault) The waters? What waters? We're in the desert. (Blaine) I was misinformed. And leave saying, H Morocco, I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship! PS this is a mostly a random reply as a question came up if I am still alive ... yes - just with almost 23,000 unread list messages in the inbox and my hands quite full -Original Message- From: Jason Utas lt;meteorite...@gmail.comgt; To: Dan Furlan lt;danfur...@gmail.comgt;; Meteorite-list lt;meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comgt; Sent: Thu, Jun 23, 2011 3:37 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Warning about Lahcen Ait Ha Hello All,Please be aware that the seller (Lahcenia Ait Ha or Lacenia Ait Ha --or apparently Lahcen Ait Ha) has changed his facebook user name and isnow going by the name Lhou Ait Ha.http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=10954047781I de-friended the fellow some years ago because his communicationsmade me uncomfortable. He didn't have any references, and I found anegative past reference to him on the list:http://www.mail-archive.com/meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com/msg5 6009.htmlMy last communication with him was in 2010. Apparently he's still around...Dan -- please think about what you are suggesting. Would you say thesame thing to all US dealers if one of them was proven to have somehowswindled people? Maybe, but I have the feeling that such a demandwould seem a little over-the-top. You are indeed entitled to youropinion.Regards,JasonOn Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 11:13 PM, Dan Furlan lt;danfur...@gmail.comgt; wrote:gt; I'd like to speak for myself and say I'm not ordering anything fromgt; Morocco until Gary gets his money back. I just canceled an order forgt; 75 kilos because I am not risking my money with somebody who may knowgt; this guy who ripped off Gary. I do not support this kind of behaviorgt; and i already heard to be careful when dealing directly with thegt; Moroccans. What just happened to Gary didn't happen from some fly bygt; night con artist, this guy has sold stuff before and is known amongstgt; the Moroccans. It's going to take a lot more then throwing a fewgt; names at me to earn my trust I want to see them do something aboutgt; this and self regulate themselves before i send a few thousand dollarsgt; by western union. Anyways this is how i feel and im entitled to saygt; and do whatever i want especially since i know Gary and I am verygt; upset in learning that he got cheated out of his hard earned money.gt; The honest Moroccan dealers need to be concerned when somebody fromgt; their circle of business associates is pulling scams as it has agt; ripple effect on their over all image.. the same concept applies whengt; IMCA is concerned when one of their own isn't playing by the rules,gt; same principle in effect here according to me. this is my opinion andgt; i stand behind it 100%gt; Daniel Furlangt;gt; On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 1:37 AM, bill kies lt;parkforest...@hotmail.comgt; wrote:gt;gt;gt;gt; This is going way too far. Nobody over there owes anyone jack. To insinuate that honest dealers in Africa or anywhere else have a responsibility to hunt down deadbeats is moronic. We know the risks involved unless we WERE born yesterday. I believe I speak for everybody when I say you don't even come close to speaking for everybody.gt;gt;gt;gt;gt;gt; gt;gt;gt; Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 01:21:20 -0400gt;gt;gt; From: danfur...@gmail.comgt;gt;gt; To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comkigt;gt;gt; Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Warning about Lahcen Ait Hagt;gt;gt;gt;gt;gt; I would like to see that every Moroccan dealer who knows thisgt;gt;gt; disgraceful person named Lacen Ait Ha do everything they can to helpgt;gt;gt; Gary get his money back. I know Gary gives the Moroccans lots ofgt;gt;gt; business and i feel they owe him the professional courtesy to huntgt;gt;gt; down this very bad apple and have a serious talk with him. A few ofgt;gt;gt; the Moroccan dealers I have spoken to asked me if i know Gary Fujiharagt;gt;gt; to build trust with me. The same people who use Gary's name to buildgt;gt;gt; trust with me to do business, owe Gary the professional courtesy andgt;gt;gt; have the responsibilty to find this guy Lacen Ait Ha and make sure hegt;gt;gt; sends Gary all the money back plus the cost of shipping those bogusgt;gt;gt; rocks back to Morocco. We are not stupid people in North America andgt;gt;gt; we were not born yesterday and i
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Warning about Lahcen Ait Ha
I'd like to speak for myself and say I'm not ordering anything from Morocco until Gary gets his money back. I just canceled an order for 75 kilos because I am not risking my money with somebody who may know this guy who ripped off Gary. I do not support this kind of behavior and i already heard to be careful when dealing directly with the Moroccans. What just happened to Gary didn't happen from some fly by night con artist, this guy has sold stuff before and is known amongst the Moroccans. It's going to take a lot more then throwing a few names at me to earn my trust I want to see them do something about this and self regulate themselves before i send a few thousand dollars by western union. Anyways this is how i feel and im entitled to say and do whatever i want especially since i know Gary and I am very upset in learning that he got cheated out of his hard earned money. The honest Moroccan dealers need to be concerned when somebody from their circle of business associates is pulling scams as it has a ripple effect on their over all image.. the same concept applies when IMCA is concerned when one of their own isn't playing by the rules, same principle in effect here according to me. this is my opinion and i stand behind it 100% Daniel Furlan On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 1:37 AM, bill kies parkforest...@hotmail.com wrote: This is going way too far. Nobody over there owes anyone jack. To insinuate that honest dealers in Africa or anywhere else have a responsibility to hunt down deadbeats is moronic. We know the risks involved unless we WERE born yesterday. I believe I speak for everybody when I say you don't even come close to speaking for everybody. Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 01:21:20 -0400 From: danfur...@gmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comki Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Warning about Lahcen Ait Ha I would like to see that every Moroccan dealer who knows this disgraceful person named Lacen Ait Ha do everything they can to help Gary get his money back. I know Gary gives the Moroccans lots of business and i feel they owe him the professional courtesy to hunt down this very bad apple and have a serious talk with him. A few of the Moroccan dealers I have spoken to asked me if i know Gary Fujihara to build trust with me. The same people who use Gary's name to build trust with me to do business, owe Gary the professional courtesy and have the responsibilty to find this guy Lacen Ait Ha and make sure he sends Gary all the money back plus the cost of shipping those bogus rocks back to Morocco. We are not stupid people in North America and we were not born yesterday and i believe i speak for everybody when i say we want to see Gary get his money back. Find a way to make it happen, end of story. Daniel Furlan collector and dealer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Easy solution to collecting debt from a thief in Morocco... Fly there, go straight to the town he lives, go directly to the chief of police and file a report. They do not mess around and will have the thief on the phone within minutes and demand action or get tossed in jail! How do I know this you may ask... Easy, I did it three years ago with immediate results. If you want to deal, you should go to the source, you can pick your own stones, take your gambles and can appreciate where the meteorites come from!! Still having fun in France, St. Marie Show is in high gear... and I have scored some goodies!!! ;-) Best Regards, Greg Hupe On Jun 23, 2011, at 7:21 AM, Dan Furlan danfur...@gmail.com wrote: I would like to see that every Moroccan dealer who knows this disgraceful person named Lacen Ait Ha do everything they can to help Gary get his money back. I know Gary gives the Moroccans lots of business and i feel they owe him the professional courtesy to hunt down this very bad apple and have a serious talk with him. A few of the Moroccan dealers I have spoken to asked me if i know Gary Fujihara to build trust with me. The same people who use Gary's name to build trust with me to do business, owe Gary the professional courtesy and have the responsibilty to find this guy Lacen Ait Ha and make sure he sends Gary all the money back plus the cost of shipping those bogus rocks back to Morocco. We are not stupid people in North America and we were not born yesterday and i believe i speak for everybody when i say we want to see Gary get his money back. Find a way to make it happen, end of story. Daniel Furlan collector and dealer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Warning about Lahcen Ait Ha
Aloha Dan, metlist subscribers, Mahalo Dan for your support in this unfortunate situation in which I find myself. Many honorable Moroccan meteorite dealers have stepped up to communicate with Lahcen Ait Ha to resolve this problem. I am so lucky and honored to have good friends like Aziz Habibi, Said Haddany, Aid Mohamed, Ahmad Bourgaa, Ali Oulmaleh, Rachid Chaoui, Abdellah Afinnis, Abdelfattah Garrad, Aziz Alhyane, and others. They are professional in their actions and honest as the day is long. The problems lie in the scope of Lahcen Ait Ha's mental capacity and lack of moral compass. He is a troubled person who knows not right from wrong, and whose family knows of this malady. Now many of my friends are working to correct this situation. My whole intent was to warn the meteorite community about this individual. Not to punish all the meteorite dealers in Morocco for the acts of one bad person. Please lets not tarnish the good reputation or withhold business with reputable meteorite dealers there. And rest assured that efforts are being made to resolve this problem. Mahalo nui loa, gary On Jun 22, 2011, at 7:21 PM, Dan Furlan wrote: I would like to see that every Moroccan dealer who knows this disgraceful person named Lacen Ait Ha do everything they can to help Gary get his money back. I know Gary gives the Moroccans lots of business and i feel they owe him the professional courtesy to hunt down this very bad apple and have a serious talk with him. A few of the Moroccan dealers I have spoken to asked me if i know Gary Fujihara to build trust with me. The same people who use Gary's name to build trust with me to do business, owe Gary the professional courtesy and have the responsibilty to find this guy Lacen Ait Ha and make sure he sends Gary all the money back plus the cost of shipping those bogus rocks back to Morocco. We are not stupid people in North America and we were not born yesterday and i believe i speak for everybody when i say we want to see Gary get his money back. Find a way to make it happen, end of story. Daniel Furlan collector and dealer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html (808) 640-9161 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Daniel Furlan, from your text it sounds ,from one way or another,that you are attacking the moroccan dealers because of what Lahcen Ait Ha did.. First of all Lahcen ait Ha is not a dealer at all..The reall Moroccan dealers like ,Aziz Habibi,Ali Oulmah and myself are very sorry at what happen and we are doing our very best to find a solution for our friend Gary... you said ``I'm not ordering anything from Morocco until Gary gets his money back.`` but how big the order you will make if Gary gets his money back ??LOL thanks Said Haddany __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Daniel, Dont worry we are all with our friend Gary and the story is ending soon.. it sounds like you take all the moroccans wrong,but let me tell you that you are tottaly wrong at that point..bad and good people are everywhere.. Daniel ,On last Tucson show,somebody stole a nice achondrite from me and i did announce that on the list ,so why you kept quiet,you should have helped me to get it back..right? another Moroccan dealer had been robbed off on tow nice planetry stones ,evetrybody knows that,so where you have been to help him to get them back... You said ```We are not stupid people in North America and we were not born yesterday and i believe i speak for everybody when i say we want to see Gary get his money back. Find a way to make it happen, end of story.`` Daniel,please can you read your texts carefully before you mail them to the list on next times ?let us talk about the problem of Gary and nothing else,please ... the problem of Gary is our problem all and we are ending the story soon,but remember that many other moroccans have stories with other dealers and you will have to help and end thier stories ... best regards Said Haddany --- On Wed, 6/22/11, Dan Furlan danfur...@gmail.com wrote: From: Dan Furlan danfur...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Warning about Lahcen Ait Ha To: met-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 10:21 PM I would like to see that every Moroccan dealer who knows this disgraceful person named Lacen Ait Ha do everything they can to help Gary get his money back. I know Gary gives the Moroccans lots of business and i feel they owe him the professional courtesy to hunt down this very bad apple and have a serious talk with him. A few of the Moroccan dealers I have spoken to asked me if i know Gary Fujihara to build trust with me. The same people who use Gary's name to build trust with me to do business, owe Gary the professional courtesy and have the responsibilty to find this guy Lacen Ait Ha and make sure he sends Gary all the money back plus the cost of shipping those bogus rocks back to Morocco. We are not stupid people in North America and we were not born yesterday and i believe i speak for everybody when i say we want to see Gary get his money back. Find a way to make it happen, end of story. Daniel Furlan collector and dealer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi List The truth is that You should NEVER send money first to persons You dont know well. I also trained this several time on my own as*. I was ripped in Burkina Faso several times. I lost 2100euro last year becouse thief Mezgouri Fayssal sold me LL6 that on photos looks like diogenite and ofcourse he telling me its Diogenite. I never see my money or other stones to recover my loses. And he lie to me for months that he is on desert and when he return to home he will send me something agains this. Too bad, becouse I purchased from him some very nice meteorites befor that accident, so I have no reason to send him money first. My bad that I was ripped like a kid. I think I will try Greg's way and I will visit Police in agadir if he not like to speak with me during my next visit in morocco. Just be carefull... -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryty.pl marcin(at)meteoryty.pl http://www.PolandMET.com marcin(at)polandmet.com http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM: +48 (793) 567667 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Dear Gary and Said Haddany, Thank you for the update. I am glad to hear that you guys in Morocco are helping with this situation it shows me that you are honorable people and care about the people you do business with. I will not have a problem with buying from Morocco as a result because this shows me if something does go wrong that other dealers in Morocco are willing to help even though it is not your fault. I am not blaming or punishing anybody i just want to know that you care when something like this happens. I apologize if it sounded like I was attacking all Moroccan dealers that was not my intention. Thanks again for the update and I am happy to hear this story come to an end. I am also sorry to hear that there was a thief at the Tucson show. i was not on the met-list at the time and i would of been upset in hearing about that story as well and i would of supported you in getting your items back as well. I do not like people who steal plain and simple. Please forgive me if my words sounded harsh i was upset and I am satisfied now that the proper action is being taken. Daniel Furlan On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Said Haddany mfcollec...@yahoo.com wrote: Daniel, Dont worry we are all with our friend Gary and the story is ending soon.. it sounds like you take all the moroccans wrong,but let me tell you that you are tottaly wrong at that point..bad and good people are everywhere.. Daniel ,On last Tucson show,somebody stole a nice achondrite from me and i did announce that on the list ,so why you kept quiet,you should have helped me to get it back..right? another Moroccan dealer had been robbed off on tow nice planetry stones ,evetrybody knows that,so where you have been to help him to get them back... You said ```We are not stupid people in North America and we were not born yesterday and i believe i speak for everybody when i say we want to see Gary get his money back. Find a way to make it happen, end of story.`` Daniel,please can you read your texts carefully before you mail them to the list on next times ?let us talk about the problem of Gary and nothing else,please ... the problem of Gary is our problem all and we are ending the story soon,but remember that many other moroccans have stories with other dealers and you will have to help and end thier stories ... best regards Said Haddany --- On Wed, 6/22/11, Dan Furlan danfur...@gmail.com wrote: From: Dan Furlan danfur...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Warning about Lahcen Ait Ha To: met-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 10:21 PM I would like to see that every Moroccan dealer who knows this disgraceful person named Lacen Ait Ha do everything they can to help Gary get his money back. I know Gary gives the Moroccans lots of business and i feel they owe him the professional courtesy to hunt down this very bad apple and have a serious talk with him. A few of the Moroccan dealers I have spoken to asked me if i know Gary Fujihara to build trust with me. The same people who use Gary's name to build trust with me to do business, owe Gary the professional courtesy and have the responsibilty to find this guy Lacen Ait Ha and make sure he sends Gary all the money back plus the cost of shipping those bogus rocks back to Morocco. We are not stupid people in North America and we were not born yesterday and i believe i speak for everybody when i say we want to see Gary get his money back. Find a way to make it happen, end of story. Daniel Furlan collector and dealer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hello All, Please be aware that the seller (Lahcenia Ait Ha or Lacenia Ait Ha -- or apparently Lahcen Ait Ha) has changed his facebook user name and is now going by the name Lhou Ait Ha. http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=10954047781 I de-friended the fellow some years ago because his communications made me uncomfortable. He didn't have any references, and I found a negative past reference to him on the list: http://www.mail-archive.com/meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com/msg56009.html My last communication with him was in 2010. Apparently he's still around... Dan -- please think about what you are suggesting. Would you say the same thing to all US dealers if one of them was proven to have somehow swindled people? Maybe, but I have the feeling that such a demand would seem a little over-the-top. You are indeed entitled to your opinion. Regards, Jason On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 11:13 PM, Dan Furlan danfur...@gmail.com wrote: I'd like to speak for myself and say I'm not ordering anything from Morocco until Gary gets his money back. I just canceled an order for 75 kilos because I am not risking my money with somebody who may know this guy who ripped off Gary. I do not support this kind of behavior and i already heard to be careful when dealing directly with the Moroccans. What just happened to Gary didn't happen from some fly by night con artist, this guy has sold stuff before and is known amongst the Moroccans. It's going to take a lot more then throwing a few names at me to earn my trust I want to see them do something about this and self regulate themselves before i send a few thousand dollars by western union. Anyways this is how i feel and im entitled to say and do whatever i want especially since i know Gary and I am very upset in learning that he got cheated out of his hard earned money. The honest Moroccan dealers need to be concerned when somebody from their circle of business associates is pulling scams as it has a ripple effect on their over all image.. the same concept applies when IMCA is concerned when one of their own isn't playing by the rules, same principle in effect here according to me. this is my opinion and i stand behind it 100% Daniel Furlan On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 1:37 AM, bill kies parkforest...@hotmail.com wrote: This is going way too far. Nobody over there owes anyone jack. To insinuate that honest dealers in Africa or anywhere else have a responsibility to hunt down deadbeats is moronic. We know the risks involved unless we WERE born yesterday. I believe I speak for everybody when I say you don't even come close to speaking for everybody. Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 01:21:20 -0400 From: danfur...@gmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comki Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Warning about Lahcen Ait Ha I would like to see that every Moroccan dealer who knows this disgraceful person named Lacen Ait Ha do everything they can to help Gary get his money back. I know Gary gives the Moroccans lots of business and i feel they owe him the professional courtesy to hunt down this very bad apple and have a serious talk with him. A few of the Moroccan dealers I have spoken to asked me if i know Gary Fujihara to build trust with me. The same people who use Gary's name to build trust with me to do business, owe Gary the professional courtesy and have the responsibilty to find this guy Lacen Ait Ha and make sure he sends Gary all the money back plus the cost of shipping those bogus rocks back to Morocco. We are not stupid people in North America and we were not born yesterday and i believe i speak for everybody when i say we want to see Gary get his money back. Find a way to make it happen, end of story. Daniel Furlan collector and dealer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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When the moroccans began selling direct to end collectors i knew it would only end badly. You can not expect to send huge sums of money overseas and get what you paid for. I have never once sent money before the stone was delivered to me. They cant rip you off that way. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Jun 23, 2011, at 1:03 AM, Jack Schrader schrad...@rocketmail.com wrote: I too have been had by a dishonest Moroccan dealer I am embarrassed to say. I have have many good dealings with this person in the past slowly building a trusting meteorite buying relationship. This person also sent me a photo of a meteorite that I wished to buy, a very rare type. When I received the stone, it was a very obvious weathered H chondrite and not the meteorite that I agreed to buy and paid a great sum of money for. This person has promised to send me other meteorites to make up for the mistake but has not yet done so. This has been going on since November 2010. I have instead gotten many excuses, the latest being the border problems with Algeria do not allow for him to get the stones that I will accept to make up for the money owed to me as Moroccans cannot send money out of the country. I have been very patient with this person but I will soon expose his name to the list in order to protect other buyers who may fall prey to his scam. I still hold a small glimmer of hope that he make make this right but I am very doubtful at this point. I have been patient with this person for more than 8 months now but I am rapidly losing my patience and hope that he will keep his many promises to me. I will give this person one more month to clear his name and reputation and then I will expose him to the list for the thief and liar that he is in order to keep others from falling prey to his dishonest scam. If he makes good, then I will owe him my apologies. I have had and continue to have good dealings with no problems whatsoever with the following dealers: Abdelfattah Gharrad, Abdelaziz Alhyane and Ahmad Bouragaa. I would highly recommend these dealers as I have dealt with them for many years with no problems at all. All very trustworthy men. All it takes is a couple of rotten Moroccans to give everyone a bad name though. I, as Gary Fujihara does, hate to make negative posts but also feel it necessary to expose the dishonest dealers to the list. I will keep you posted and I hope the list of bad Moroccan delears does not continue to grow. These are desperate times and the time to be all the more careful with our hard earned money. Be careful out there. Jack - Forwarded Message From: Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com To: MeteorList meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, June 22, 2011 2:57:25 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Warning about Lahcen Ait Ha Aloha all, I want to warn everyone about a dishonorable dealer of meteorites who lives in Morocco by the name of Lahcen Ait Ha. Lahcen offered a 748g lot of NWA 859 Taza iron meteorites by showing me pictures of them by email. I purchased the lot, but when I received his package, I realized that the material he sent me was not the same as the ones in the pictures. Not only that, but I have doubts whether the material is meteoritic at all. Needless to say, I returned the material immediately and contacted Lahcen to get a refund. He has stalled and to this point has refused to return my money. Several honorable Moroccan meteorite dealers have contacted Lahcen to talk sense into him to return my money, but these efforts have been fruitless. I have now waited over two months for resolution and yet there is no solution in sight, despite my efforts and those of my friends in Morocco. http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/_BogusTaza.jpg I must say that the vast majority of meteorite dealers in Morocco are of unquestionable integrity and good character. It is a pity that such a person is able to continue to perpetrate his fraudulent actions there. I implore all to NEVER DEAL WITH Lahcen Ait Ha. I never make posts like this because I have never had a need to do so. But extenuating circumstances have forced me to make this public immediately to protect others from being victimized by this person. Thank you for your understanding and caveat emptor. Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html (808) 640-9161 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at
[meteorite-list] Fw: Warning about Lahcen Ait Ha
I too have been had by a dishonest Moroccan dealer I am embarrassed to say. I have have many good dealings with this person in the past slowly building a trusting meteorite buying relationship. This person also sent me a photo of a meteorite that I wished to buy, a very rare type. When I received the stone, it was a very obvious weathered H chondrite and not the meteorite that I agreed to buy and paid a great sum of money for. This person has promised to send me other meteorites to make up for the mistake but has not yet done so. This has been going on since November 2010. I have instead gotten many excuses, the latest being the border problems with Algeria do not allow for him to get the stones that I will accept to make up for the money owed to me as Moroccans cannot send money out of the country. I have been very patient with this person but I will soon expose his name to the list in order to protect other buyers who may fall prey to his scam. I still hold a small glimmer of hope that he make make this right but I am very doubtful at this point. I have been patient with this person for more than 8 months now but I am rapidly losing my patience and hope that he will keep his many promises to me. I will give this person one more month to clear his name and reputation and then I will expose him to the list for the thief and liar that he is in order to keep others from falling prey to his dishonest scam. If he makes good, then I will owe him my apologies. I have had and continue to have good dealings with no problems whatsoever with the following dealers: Abdelfattah Gharrad, Abdelaziz Alhyane and Ahmad Bouragaa. I would highly recommend these dealers as I have dealt with them for many years with no problems at all. All very trustworthy men. All it takes is a couple of rotten Moroccans to give everyone a bad name though. I, as Gary Fujihara does, hate to make negative posts but also feel it necessary to expose the dishonest dealers to the list. I will keep you posted and I hope the list of bad Moroccan delears does not continue to grow. These are desperate times and the time to be all the more careful with our hard earned money. Be careful out there. Jack - Forwarded Message From: Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com To: MeteorList meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, June 22, 2011 2:57:25 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Warning about Lahcen Ait Ha Aloha all, I want to warn everyone about a dishonorable dealer of meteorites who lives in Morocco by the name of Lahcen Ait Ha. Lahcen offered a 748g lot of NWA 859 Taza iron meteorites by showing me pictures of them by email. I purchased the lot, but when I received his package, I realized that the material he sent me was not the same as the ones in the pictures. Not only that, but I have doubts whether the material is meteoritic at all. Needless to say, I returned the material immediately and contacted Lahcen to get a refund. He has stalled and to this point has refused to return my money. Several honorable Moroccan meteorite dealers have contacted Lahcen to talk sense into him to return my money, but these efforts have been fruitless. I have now waited over two months for resolution and yet there is no solution in sight, despite my efforts and those of my friends in Morocco. http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/_BogusTaza.jpg I must say that the vast majority of meteorite dealers in Morocco are of unquestionable integrity and good character. It is a pity that such a person is able to continue to perpetrate his fraudulent actions there. I implore all to NEVER DEAL WITH Lahcen Ait Ha. I never make posts like this because I have never had a need to do so. But extenuating circumstances have forced me to make this public immediately to protect others from being victimized by this person. Thank you for your understanding and caveat emptor. Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html (808) 640-9161 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fw: Warning about Lahcen Ait Ha
jack there is many reputable dealer said heddany , ali olmaleh and more elghrad and more ; one bad apple doesn't make all the basket bad try to solve the problem if we can help you to resolve the problem please tell us we can talk to him thanks aziz h __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fw: Warning about Lahcen Ait Ha
- Original Message - From: John Lutzon j...@hc.fdn.com To: habibi abdelaziz azizhab...@yahoo.com Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 9:10 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Warning about Lahcen Ait Ha Aziz H With all respect, DEALERS need to correct, govern and admonish their own--the unfortunate buyer will, of course, try to correct their situation. There is is NO reason to ask if you could help--of course you should!. And, continue to monitor your business activities so bad apples don't ruin a clean meteorite flow line to the public. With respect to all reputable Dealers! John Lutzon IMCA# 1896 - Original Message - From: habibi abdelaziz azizhab...@yahoo.com To: meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 8:45 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Warning about Lahcen Ait Ha jack there is many reputable dealer said heddany , ali olmaleh and more elghrad and more ; one bad apple doesn't make all the basket bad try to solve the problem if we can help you to resolve the problem please tell us we can talk to him thanks aziz h __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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I would like to see that every Moroccan dealer who knows this disgraceful person named Lacen Ait Ha do everything they can to help Gary get his money back. I know Gary gives the Moroccans lots of business and i feel they owe him the professional courtesy to hunt down this very bad apple and have a serious talk with him. A few of the Moroccan dealers I have spoken to asked me if i know Gary Fujihara to build trust with me. The same people who use Gary's name to build trust with me to do business, owe Gary the professional courtesy and have the responsibilty to find this guy Lacen Ait Ha and make sure he sends Gary all the money back plus the cost of shipping those bogus rocks back to Morocco. We are not stupid people in North America and we were not born yesterday and i believe i speak for everybody when i say we want to see Gary get his money back. Find a way to make it happen, end of story. Daniel Furlan collector and dealer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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This is going way too far. Nobody over there owes anyone jack. To insinuate that honest dealers in Africa or anywhere else have a responsibility to hunt down deadbeats is moronic. We know the risks involved unless we WERE born yesterday. I believe I speak for everybody when I say you don't even come close to speaking for everybody. Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 01:21:20 -0400 From: danfur...@gmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Warning about Lahcen Ait Ha I would like to see that every Moroccan dealer who knows this disgraceful person named Lacen Ait Ha do everything they can to help Gary get his money back. I know Gary gives the Moroccans lots of business and i feel they owe him the professional courtesy to hunt down this very bad apple and have a serious talk with him. A few of the Moroccan dealers I have spoken to asked me if i know Gary Fujihara to build trust with me. The same people who use Gary's name to build trust with me to do business, owe Gary the professional courtesy and have the responsibilty to find this guy Lacen Ait Ha and make sure he sends Gary all the money back plus the cost of shipping those bogus rocks back to Morocco. We are not stupid people in North America and we were not born yesterday and i believe i speak for everybody when i say we want to see Gary get his money back. Find a way to make it happen, end of story. Daniel Furlan collector and dealer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
