[meteorite-list] Mystery Meteorite Fall
In my research of rare Texas history books, I've found references on 2 meteorite falls that are pre- Nininger and are NOT in the Catalogue. The first I'm still research with the help of the County Historical society. The second I need some help on. I've found a reference to a fall in 1884 at mid-day where there is a witness who heard a Sonic Boom and other witnesses who said : it made a noise like twenty freight trains and was so bright it 'dimmed the sunlight'. That sounds authentic and corresponds with meteorite fall acustical phenomena. The other half the story is the author (dead) saw in a museum in 1924 the alledged meteorite and described it as: a large black stone about waist high and several feet across shaped like a dougnut without the hole. It was labeled 'the Lubbock Meteor' Again, the believability factor is there. The size sounds a bit exagerated, however the account was written 60 years after he saw it. The name Lubbock refers to Lubbock Texas, alledged impact zone which does not seem likely. But *sigh*, I'll have to research that. Question for the list - Does anybody have a guess that this could be an existing listed fall? If so, which fall? ps. I'll have a website up about my expedition to Tanzania this week. And yes, I missed the shooting in Zanzibar by 6 days. Meteorites and mahem, what an exciting combination. McCartneyTaylor, IMCA 2760 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Kevin and List, The Catalogue of Meteorites, British Mus. (Nat. Hist.), lists under Imilac, several masses that went to a few Museums, and I quote: from it: ...a 3.8 kg Harvard Univ., of Ollague; - again, under Specimens, it lists ...[1927,88] 240g slice, and fragments, 3g of Ollague, as in the collection of the British Museum. It seems that these pieces might have come from the 6.66 kg mass, then known as Ollague, as you mention in your email? José Campos - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 10:58 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mystery Meteorite The H.H.Nininger Collection of Meteorites (1933 version) lists a meteorite that I find no where else in the literature. It'll be obvious to many on the list why I would like to know about this. Ollague, Bolivia, South America. Pallasite. P. Found 1924. Known Wt. 6..66 Kgs. Specimen:146a. 376 grams Hi Kevin and List, This is one of the numerous synonyms for the Imilac pallasite. Maybe a transported mass? Good night, Bernd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mystery Meteorite
The H.H.Nininger Collection of Meteorites (1933 version) lists a meteorite that I find no where else in the literature. It'll be obvious to many on the list why I would like to know about this. "Ollague, Bolivia, South America. Pallasite. P. Found 1924. Known Wt. 6.66 Kgs. Specimen:146a. 376 grams." Any information will be appreciated. Thank you, Kevin Kichinka Hi Kevin and list, Ollague is synonym for Imilac. Peter M.
Re: [meteorite-list] Mystery Meteorite
The H.H.Nininger Collection of Meteorites (1933 version) lists a meteorite that I find no where else in the literature. It'll be obvious to many on the list why I would like to know about this. Ollague, Bolivia, South America. Pallasite. P. Found 1924. Known Wt. 6..66 Kgs. Specimen:146a. 376 grams Hi Kevin and List, This is one of the numerous synonyms for the Imilac pallasite. Maybe a transported mass? Good night, Bernd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mystery Meteorite
Kevin According to the Catalogue of Meteorites CD-ROM it is a synonym for Imilac. Mike Mike Jensen Bill Jensen Jensen Meteorites 16730 E Ada PL Aurora, CO 80017-3137 303-337-4361 Web Site: Jensen Meteorites
RE: [meteorite-list] Mystery Meteorite
Hi, According to MetBase Ollague is one of many synonyms for Imilac. Thanks, Peter Scherff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 5:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Mystery Meteorite The H.H.Nininger Collection of Meteorites (1933 version) lists a meteorite that I find no where else in the literature. It'll be obvious to many on the list why I would like to know about this. Ollague, Bolivia, South America. Pallasite. P. Found 1924. Known Wt. 6.66 Kgs. Specimen:146a. 376 grams. Any information will be appreciated. Thank you, Kevin Kichinka __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mystery Meteorite
The H.H.Nininger Collection of Meteorites(1933 version)lists a meteorite that I find no where else in the literature. It'll be obvious to many on the list why I would like to know about this. "Ollague, Bolivia, South America. Pallasite. P. Found 1924. Known Wt. 6.66 Kgs. Specimen:146a. 376 grams." Any information will be appreciated. Thank you, Kevin Kichinka
Re: [meteorite-list] Mystery Meteorite Contest II
Dear List Members and contest participants, First of all, I would like to thank everybody for their patience. The classifications were supposed to be announced in Tucson. This was overlooked at the very successful Blood auction because of the hectic pace. Michael did not get out of there until after 1:00 am and did a remarkable job of managing hundreds of details. This contest was designed to testvisual identification skills. Nobody guessed all three correctly but we will still award all of the specimens to different entrants. The reason I used the word "guess" is because that is all one can do in the field. I was wrong myself on the first two so do not feel bad if you did not get the answers correct. This exercise demonstrates the importance of laboratory confirmation. I have seen several people make pairing decisions on appearance alone. This is not a good practice because several rarities can be overlooked. We would have missed a rare polymict diogenite if we did not insist that every achondritic stone be tested. Without further delay here are the classifications and winners: 1) NWA 1646 Cumulate Eucrite Breccia This was the most confusing of the lot with guesses ranging from Lunar to Mercury. Nobody guessed this one correctly so we drew a name from a hat. Congratulations to Mark Fox 2) NWA 1647 Shocked Basaltic Eucrite (monomict) Most people guessed an Aubrite which was my first impression, as well. Congratulations to Martin Horejsi who was the first to guess this one. 3) NWA 1650 Polymict Eucrite Breccia This onehad the most correct responses.A lot of entrants guessed a Howardite. Congratulations to Mike Tettenborn who was the first to get this one correct. This shows the diversity of Eucrites which can range greatly in appearance. None of these samples look even remotely alike, yet they all fall into the Eucrite class. With close to 40 entrants this was a fun contest.We were impressed with the number ofList Members willing to step up to the plate and compete in a very difficult contest. We hope thiswas educational and justified the bandwidth taken from Meteorite Central. If you are a winner please send us an email with your mailing address so that we can distribute these specimens. Wishing everybody the very best, Adam and Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection IMCA 2185
[meteorite-list] Mystery Meteorite Contest 2
Hi List, I have just arrived home from the Tucson Showand have been asked to post this for the Hupe's. Michael Blood was suppose to announce the mystery pieces but things got real busy and this got overlooked . Adam Hupe will announce the classifications and Winners for the Mystery Meteorite Contest when he returns home on the 14th or 15th of this month. The Hupe's apologize for this inconvenience , So be looking for the Classifications and WINNERS to be posted sometime on the 14th or 15th of this month, And thank all of you who participated in this contest and Good Luck . Best Regards, The Hupe's Steven Drummond "The Unknown Collector" :-)
Re: [meteorite-list] Mystery Meteorite Contest 2
Hello Steven, Nice meeting you in Tucson. (Steven was being kind and helping out different dealers this year.) Great to see you and hope you make the trip next year. Mark - Original Message - From: Steven Drummond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 9:40 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Mystery Meteorite Contest 2 Hi List,I have just arrived home from the Tucson Show and have been asked to post this for the Hupe's. Michael Blood was suppose to announce the mystery pieces but things got real busy and this got overlooked . Adam Hupe will announce the classifications and Winners for the Mystery Meteorite Contest when he returns home on the 14th or 15th of this month. The Hupe's apologize for this inconvenience , So be looking for the Classifications and WINNERS to be posted sometime on the 14th or 15th of this month, And thank all of you who participated in this contest and Good Luck . Best Regards, The Hupe's Steven Drummond The Unknown Collector :-) __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mystery Meteorite Contest II
Specimen number 1: This meteorite has a brown crust, is only very slightly magnetic to a most powerful magnet, has white clasts in a gray matrix and there is no sign of a basaltic texture or clast. A lunar anorthositic breccia (Possibly Dho 490 ?) Specimen number 2: This meteorite has a translucent black crust, has no metal, every square centimeter is filled with shock veins and the matrix is off-white with a greenish hue. A basaltic eucrite (Possibly NWA 011 which supposedly hails from Mercury) Specimen number 3: This meteorite has a translucent greenish-black crust, is only very slightly magnetic to a most powerful magnet and has white and black clasts situated in a light gray matrix. A brecciated Howardite (Kapoeta ?) Thanks for a great contest Andre Bordeleau
Re: [meteorite-list] Mystery Meteorite Contest II
1. Brecciated Aubrite 2. Shocked brecciated Diogenite 3. Howardite You are right, they are some tough rocks! Thanks, Fred Olsen - Original Message - From: Adam Hupe To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 12:11 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Mystery Meteorite Contest II Dear List Members, It is our pleasures to announce mystery meteorite contest number two. The rules will be a little different this time. New rules: Only one entry per member. Last time we personally responded to over 240 entries and encouraged members to guess as many times as possible. The problem with the old way is we felt guilty that some people were staying up all night trying to guess. Some had to go to work the next day without sleep. The object of these contests is to provide fun and knowledge. There is always going to be a lesson learned. Last time it was researching the Antarctic collection. Please post under this string to the list. This way there will be no question about who gave the correct answers first. Nobody guessed properly last time so this was not an issue. Just like last time if nobody gets all the answers correct we will decide some fair way to award the prizes. In this case there will be three specimens awarded, the three pictured below. We hope this contest will be educational enough to warrant the use of bandwidth on the List. Unlike the last contest this will be a test of your visual skills. We will provide a few things we observed about each specimen that were impossible to capture in the images. You must guess all three correct so take your time. Specimen number 1: This meteorite has a brown crust, is only very slightly magnetic to a most powerful magnet, has white clasts in a gray matrix and there is no sign of a basaltic texture or clast. http://www.lunarrock.com/contest/dsc1.jpg Specimen number 2: This meteorite has a translucent black crust, has no metal, every square centimeter is filled with shock veins and the matrix is off-white with a greenish hue. http://www.lunarrock.com/contest/dsc2.jpg Specimen number 3: This meteorite has a translucent greenish-black crust, is only very slightly magnetic to a most powerful magnet and has white and black clasts situated in a light gray matrix. http://www.lunarrock.com/contest/dsc3.jpg This contest will officially end on February 1, 2003 at 10:00 am PST. Since we will be in Tucson without access to a computer we will have somebody else announce the classifications for us. That way nobody will go insane trying to figure out what these items are. We will announce a winner on February 15, 2003. The mystery main masses will be displayed in Tucson in room 130 at the BestWestern Executive Inn in case anybody cares to find out at the show rather than waiting for a post to the List. Wishing List members whom decides to accept this challenge, good luck! All the Best, Adam and Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection IMCA 2185
Re: [meteorite-list] Mystery Meteorite Contest II
Hello Adam and all, Since you can't win unless you play the game, here are my SWAG's for the contest. Photo 1: Diogenite, polymict breccia Photo 2: Eucrite, monomict breccia Photo 3: Eucrite, polymict microbreccia (NWA 1109??) Good contest and since we're allowed only one guess, this is my final answer :-) Frank __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mystery Meteorite Contest II
Hello Bernd and list members, The URL has nothing to do with the contest. Thank you Adam. One last question: Do you want us to send our answers via the List or in a private email? Thank you for your patience, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mystery Meteorite Contest II
Hello again, In the interest of not creating too much traffic on the List since it was brought up I do not mind if emails are sent straight to us at [EMAIL PROTECTED] . The only reason I thought it might be a good idea to have answers posted to the list is so that an understanding of how difficult it is to identify meteorites from images can be demonstrated. Apparently this has already been demonstrated by the confusion this contest has created already. We are not asking for a scientific description of each specimen just a classification and if you feel there is a subgroup, mention it as well. We will award these specimens to the closest entry. Wishing everybody the very best, Adam - Original Message - From: Bernd Pauli HD [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 2:40 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mystery Meteorite Contest II Hello Bernd and list members, The URL has nothing to do with the contest. Thank you Adam. One last question: Do you want us to send our answers via the List or in a private email? Thank you for your patience, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mystery Meteorite Contest II
Now for some great fun. Thanks for putting this on. Any prizes? My guesses are: 1)Ureilite 2) Ca poor aubrite 3) Polymict eucrite Best Regards, Mike Tettenborn - Original Message - From: Adam Hupe To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 2:11 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Mystery Meteorite Contest II Dear List Members, It is our pleasures to announce mystery meteorite contest number two. The rules will be a little different this time. New rules: Only one entry per member. Last time we personally responded to over 240 entries and encouraged members to guess as many times as possible. The problem with the old way is we felt guilty that some people were staying up all night trying to guess. Some had to go to work the next day without sleep. The object of these contests is to provide fun and knowledge. There is always going to be a lesson learned. Last time it was researching the Antarctic collection. Please post under this string to the list. This way there will be no question about who gave the correct answers first. Nobody guessed properly last time so this was not an issue. Just like last time if nobody gets all the answers correct we will decide some fair way to award the prizes. In this case there will be three specimens awarded, the three pictured below. We hope this contest will be educational enough to warrant the use of bandwidth on the List. Unlike the last contest this will be a test of your visual skills. We will provide a few things we observed about each specimen that were impossible to capture in the images. You must guess all three correct so take your time. Specimen number 1: This meteorite has a brown crust, is only very slightly magnetic to a most powerful magnet, has white clasts in a gray matrix and there is no sign of a basaltic texture or clast. http://www.lunarrock.com/contest/dsc1.jpg Specimen number 2: This meteorite has a translucent black crust, has no metal, every square centimeter is filled with shock veins and the matrix is off-white with a greenish hue. http://www.lunarrock.com/contest/dsc2.jpg Specimen number 3: This meteorite has a translucent greenish-black crust, is only very slightly magnetic to a most powerful magnet and has white and black clasts situated in a light gray matrix. http://www.lunarrock.com/contest/dsc3.jpg This contest will officially end on February 1, 2003 at 10:00 am PST. Since we will be in Tucson without access to a computer we will have somebody else announce the classifications for us. That way nobody will go insane trying to figure out what these items are. We will announce a winner on February 15, 2003. The mystery main masses will be displayed in Tucson in room 130 at the BestWestern Executive Inn in case anybody cares to find out at the show rather than waiting for a post to the List. Wishing List members whom decides to accept this challenge, good luck! All the Best, Adam and Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection IMCA 2185
Re: [meteorite-list] Mystery Meteorite Contest II
Well, as I am a beginning meteorite collector I don't have much of an idea but I think they are: 1) Diogenite 2) Angrite 3) Howardite Chris Brooks __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mystery Meteorite Contest II
Title: Re: [meteorite-list] Mystery Meteorite Contest II Howdy Hupes and All, Great contest. Here are my guesses: 1. Eucrite (polymic breccia). 2. Eucrite (monomic breccia, highly shocked) 3. Eucrite (polymic breccia). While most likely wrong, they at least should give something to consider. Cheers, Martin Horejsi
[meteorite-list] Mystery Meteorite Contest II
Dear List Members, It is our pleasures to announce mystery meteorite contest number two. The rules will be a little different this time. New rules: Only one entry per member. Last time we personally responded to over 240 entries and encouraged members to guess as many times as possible. The problem with the old way is we felt guilty that some people were staying up all night trying to guess. Some had to go to work the next day without sleep. The object of these contests is to provide fun and knowledge. There is always going to be a lesson learned. Last time it was researching the Antarctic collection. Please post under this string to the list. This way there will be no question about who gave the correct answers first. Nobody guessed properly last time so this was not an issue. Just like last time if nobody gets all the answers correct we will decide some fair way to award the prizes. In this case there will be three specimens awarded, the three pictured below. We hope this contest will be educational enough to warrant the use of bandwidth on the List. Unlike the last contest this will be a test of your visual skills. We will provide a few things we observed about each specimen that were impossible to capture in the images. You must guess all three correct so take your time. Specimen number 1: This meteorite has a brown crust, is only very slightly magnetic to a most powerful magnet, has white clasts in a gray matrix and there is no sign of a basaltic texture or clast. http://www.lunarrock.com/contest/dsc1.jpg Specimen number 2: This meteorite has a translucent black crust, has no metal, every square centimeter is filled with shock veins and the matrix is off-white with a greenish hue. http://www.lunarrock.com/contest/dsc2.jpg Specimen number 3: This meteorite has a translucent greenish-black crust, is only very slightly magnetic to a most powerful magnet and has white and black clasts situated in a light gray matrix. http://www.lunarrock.com/contest/dsc3.jpg This contest will officially end on February 1, 2003 at 10:00 am PST. Since we will be in Tucson without access to a computer we will have somebody else announce the classifications for us. That way nobody will go insane trying to figure out what these items are. We will announce a winner on February 15, 2003. The mystery main masses will be displayed in Tucson in room 130 at the BestWestern Executive Inn in case anybody cares to find out at the show rather than waiting for a post to the List. Wishing List members whom decides to accept this challenge, good luck! All the Best, Adam and Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection IMCA 2185
[meteorite-list] Mystery Meteorite with a Molten Past (NWA 011)
http://skyandtelescope.com/news/current/article_585_1.asp Mystery Meteorite with a Molten Past Sky Telescope News Brief April 25, 2002 Planetary scientists suspect that many primordial asteroids must have grown large enough to melt completely, yielding iron-rich cores and silicate crusts before being shattered to pieces. After all, the iron meteorites reaching Earth comprise dozens of unique compositional types. Yet, among the thousands of known meteorites, only a relative handful consist of basalt, the igneous rock type that would be most common in those asteroidal crusts - and until recently all of them seemed to have come from a single source, 4 Vesta. In the April 12th issue of Science, Akira Yamaguchi (National Institute of Polar Research, Tokyo) and nine colleagues argue that a 40-gram stone called Northwest Africa 011 is a basaltic meteorite entirely unlike those from Vesta. Its parent body is unknown; one candidate is 1459 Magnya, an outer-belt object that was found to have a basalt spectrum two years ago. Still, though lacking a pedigree, NWA 011 is a significant find. As asteroid expert Richard P. Binzel (MIT) explains, Yamaguchi's results (and those for 1459 Magnya) are the 'eureka' that complement what the iron meteorites have been telling us: there must have been other Vestas out there. Online access to Science is restricted, but Yamaguchi's abstract can be found at: http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/short/296/5566/334. -- http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/short/296/5566/334 A New Source of Basaltic Meteorites Inferred from Northwest Africa 011 Akira Yamaguchi,[12*] Robert N. Clayton,[3] Toshiko K. Mayeda,[3] Mitsuru Ebihara,[4] Yasuji Oura,[4] Yayoi N. Miura,[5] Hiroshi Haramura,[1] Keiji Misawa,[12] Hideyasu Kojima,[12] Keisuke Nagao[6] Eucrites are a class of basaltic meteorites that share common mineralogical, isotopic, and chemical properties and are thought to have been derived from the same parent body, possibly asteroid 4 Vesta. The texture, mineralogy, and noble gas data of the recently recovered meteorite, Northwest Africa (NWA) 011, are similar to those of basaltic eucrites. However, the oxygen isotopic composition of NWA011 is different from that of other eucrites, indicating that NWA011 may be derived from a different parent body. The presence of basaltic meteorites with variable oxygen isotopic composition suggests the occurrence of multiple basaltic meteorite parent bodies, perhaps similar to 4 Vesta, in the early solar system. 1 Antarctic Meteorite Research Center, National Institute of Polar Research, Tokyo 173-8515, Japan. 2 The Graduate University for Advanced Studies, Tokyo 173-8515, Japan. 3 Enrico Fermi Institute, University of Chicago, Chicago, IL 60637, USA. 4 Department of Chemistry, Tokyo Metropolitan University, Hachioji, Tokyo 192-0397, Japan. 5 Earthquake Research Institute, University of Tokyo, Tokyo 113-0032, Japan. 6 Laboratory for Earthquake Chemistry, University of Tokyo, Tokyo 113-0033, Japan. * To whom correspondence should be addressed. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
