Re: [meteorite-list] NJO ownership
OK Doug, So it would have to burn coming in. I gotcha that far. So... Where was the fireball?Did no one at all see one? Where was the sonic boom? Did no one at all hear one? Where are the flowlines on the blue-black metal surface? If it is from an interior piece of a late in flight break up, where are the other pieces in the neighborhood? On another chat board I saw tonight, there was this post: "i think i know what it was,i called the police station in new jersy.it looks like a piece of metal that flew out of a tub grinder,tub grinder is used to grind tree stumps.saw a 80 lb piece of metal fly 200yards so a smaller piece could fly more than that.that's why they are not saying anything." Interesting. Let me also ask this: If an "expert" was employed by an institution, that has a paid legal staff to advise them on such things, if they thought it might be a meteorite, but maybe a cleaned up Nantan, and not a fresh fall, would they be a little hesitant to boldly both proclaim that it was an authentic meteorite HOWEVER that they also felt in their professional expert opinion that a fraud was being perpetrated? I am not saying that is the case here, but I am just asking how far would a professional be willing to stick his neck out, just to see his name in the paper? Only to maybe see their name as a defendant on a lawsuit down the road if no fraud took place? Or might an expert be inclined to make "no further comment" no matter what? But Mark's link to the different video does seem to make it look a little more gray and silver rather than brown or rusty and silver looking. Just seems like there are a few pieces of the puzzle still missing. I am sure if it is on the up and up we will know pretty quickly. So if it is legit, what is a 13 ounce iron, almost but not quite witnessed fall worth anyway? mt, do you want to take a new survey? SA001 In a message dated 1/6/2007 1:28:04 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "I am curious, it is physically possible for a meteorite to enter our atmosphere so slow that it would fall without burning, no fireball, no melting of the surface of the rock?" Hello 001, You mean shaken but not stirred? "Cool" question, on cool entry... Not in any mood to think, so I vote NO, it nearly impossible unless JPL has attached a remote control navigation booster module to it. The reason I suspect it isn't likely is because: 1. if it were dropped in free fall for say 500 km the velocity being acceleration (call that just 9 for fun) x time would speed it up to 3 km/s on hitting dense atmosphere and that's getting pretty hot already. The point being it would have much more than 500 km subject to relatively frictionless acceleration. 2.if it were nearer to earth, we can assume it is in orbit or I don't know how else it would get there unless Superman or some rogue nation plunked it up there. We already know that an orbital vector gives us a schorching say around 10 km/s entry. 3. and if it were like a rollercoaster coming from the other side of earth a la 1972 fireball, but then somehow trapped and pulled back into Earth, to beat the potential energy to get to the other side would definitely send it far out (see 1 above before it yo-yoed back in gaining like a steamroller. On the other hand if it went through a little atmosphere first and slowed down and fell backwards in, maybe it wouldn't be incandescent on the final fall, but the initial back side entry would have surely burned its way in on initial approach...) Maybe I've missed something, but that seems to cover it all, Good health to cherish every moment, for all, in the New Year, Doug __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NJO ownership
"I am curious, it is physically possible for a meteorite to enter our atmosphere so slow that it would fall without burning, no fireball, no melting of the surface of the rock?" Hello 001, You mean shaken but not stirred? "Cool" question, on cool entry... Not in any mood to think, so I vote NO, it nearly impossible unless JPL has attached a remote control navigation booster module to it. The reason I suspect it isn't likely is because: 1. if it were dropped in free fall for say 500 km the velocity being acceleration (call that just 9 for fun) x time would speed it up to 3 km/s on hitting dense atmosphere and that's getting pretty hot already. The point being it would have much more than 500 km subject to relatively frictionless acceleration. 2.if it were nearer to earth, we can assume it is in orbit or I don't know how else it would get there unless Superman or some rogue nation plunked it up there. We already know that an orbital vector gives us a schorching say around 10 km/s entry. 3. and if it were like a rollercoaster coming from the other side of earth a la 1972 fireball, but then somehow trapped and pulled back into Earth, to beat the potential energy to get to the other side would definitely send it far out (see 1 above before it yo-yoed back in gaining like a steamroller. On the other hand if it went through a little atmosphere first and slowed down and fell backwards in, maybe it wouldn't be incandescent on the final fall, but the initial back side entry would have surely burned its way in on initial approach...) Maybe I've missed something, but that seems to cover it all, Good health to cherish every moment, for all, in the New Year, Doug - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NJO ownership > > Mike, > > That was my first thought, that it was a cleaned up Nantan. > > There just isn't the fresh look that other Iron falls have. > > I am curious, it is physically possible for a meteorite to enter our > atmosphere so slow that it would fall without burning, no fireball, no melting of > the surface of the rock? > > Of course, in the NJ case, I doubt it would fall so slow that it would pick > up rust on the way down. > > Steve Arnold #1 > > In a message dated 1/4/2007 3:54:59 P.M. Central Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > It doesnt matter, because the only way that is a > meteorite is that it is a Nantan and the owner is > pulling a scam. Otherwise, this is not a meteorite. > Iron meteorites do not enter the atmosphere covered in > rust. > Mike Farmer > --- McCartney Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > In the USA, ownership of found or fallen meteorites > > was established long > > ago by the Supreme Court. This was reestablished in > > the Syracuse fall > > which hit the woman. What few know about was the > > lawsuit by the stuck > > tenant to get ownership of the meteorite, it failed. > > > > If it falls on private property, its owned by the > > land Owner not the > > tenant or the finder. > > > > -mt > > > > > > > I was wondering, who legally owns it? -Greg > > Stanley > > > > > > > __ > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NJO ownership
Mike, That was my first thought, that it was a cleaned up Nantan. There just isn't the fresh look that other Iron falls have. I am curious, it is physically possible for a meteorite to enter our atmosphere so slow that it would fall without burning, no fireball, no melting of the surface of the rock? Of course, in the NJ case, I doubt it would fall so slow that it would pick up rust on the way down. Steve Arnold #1 In a message dated 1/4/2007 3:54:59 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It doesnt matter, because the only way that is a meteorite is that it is a Nantan and the owner is pulling a scam. Otherwise, this is not a meteorite. Iron meteorites do not enter the atmosphere covered in rust. Mike Farmer --- McCartney Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In the USA, ownership of found or fallen meteorites > was established long > ago by the Supreme Court. This was reestablished in > the Syracuse fall > which hit the woman. What few know about was the > lawsuit by the stuck > tenant to get ownership of the meteorite, it failed. > > If it falls on private property, its owned by the > land Owner not the > tenant or the finder. > > -mt > > > > I was wondering, who legally owns it? -Greg > Stanley > > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NJO ownership
Mt, I think you meant Sylacaga, and not Syracuse. Steve Arnold #1 In a message dated 1/4/2007 3:34:50 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In the USA, ownership of found or fallen meteorites was established long ago by the Supreme Court. This was reestablished in the Syracuse fall which hit the woman. What few know about was the lawsuit by the stuck tenant to get ownership of the meteorite, it failed. If it falls on private property, its owned by the land Owner not the tenant or the finder. -mt __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NJO ownership
It doesnt matter, because the only way that is a meteorite is that it is a Nantan and the owner is pulling a scam. Otherwise, this is not a meteorite. Iron meteorites do not enter the atmosphere covered in rust. Mike Farmer --- McCartney Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In the USA, ownership of found or fallen meteorites > was established long > ago by the Supreme Court. This was reestablished in > the Syracuse fall > which hit the woman. What few know about was the > lawsuit by the stuck > tenant to get ownership of the meteorite, it failed. > > If it falls on private property, its owned by the > land Owner not the > tenant or the finder. > > -mt > > > > I was wondering, who legally owns it? -Greg > Stanley > > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NJO ownership
Hello MT, You noted, "What few know about was the lawsuit by the stuck tenant to get ownership of the meteorite, it failed." Correct, after the meteorite fell, the Air Force took it. Mrs. Hodges only got it back by threatening to sue and then the home owner sued Mr. and Mrs. Hodges for the meteorite. The Hodges ended up moving to a smaller residence after the lawsuit was filed and in a short time after losing the case, the Hodges filed for divorce. Looking back years later, Mrs. Hodges thought the encounter with the meteorite was the worst thing that had ever happened to her. In the end it destroyed her life and all she received was a small note in history, a hospital bill and an embarrassing photograph in Life magazine. Clear Skies, Mark Bostick www.meteoritearticles.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NJO ownership
In the USA, ownership of found or fallen meteorites was established long ago by the Supreme Court. This was reestablished in the Syracuse fall which hit the woman. What few know about was the lawsuit by the stuck tenant to get ownership of the meteorite, it failed. If it falls on private property, its owned by the land Owner not the tenant or the finder. -mt > I was wondering, who legally owns it? -Greg Stanley > __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
