Re: [meteorite-list] U.S to Withdraw From UNESCO--DONE
I never, in any realm, thought that I would ever be conversing with Adam Hupe
in this manner.
For Me, this thread is way overcooked.
I've stated my opinions--if any apologies are necessary--you got 'em.
Done, John
- Original Message -
From: "John Lutzon via Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
To: "Adam Hupe" <raremeteori...@centurylink.net>;
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 9:03 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] U.S to Withdraw From UNESCO
I was ok with the same personal email to me but since you posted
to the list
I agree with one sentance--"For me, knowledge and accurate information are key,"
So, when you became aware (1980's) of Unesco's possible implications to
meteorite hunting/ownership did you enact any actions or legislation to Protect
anyone/anything?
What Knowledgeable information would you impart to this list on the recent
decision to remove the US from Unesco?
What Accurate information would you be willing to impart to this list on the
ramifications/advantages of our withdrawal from Unesco Regarding Meteorites.
Remember--knowledge and accurate information are key.
John
- Original Message -
From: "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
To: "meteorite- >> metlist" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 8:22 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] U.S to Withdraw From UNESCO
It is obvious to most that making people aware of UNESCO and what
effects it may have on our avocation is important, at least to those who
think long-term.
I was first made aware of UNESCOs influence on treasure hunting in the
1980s. The late and Great, Richard Norton first pointed out to me what
influence the Douglass Schmitt paper that ties meteorites to UNESCO and
ownership laws had on meteorite hunters and collectors.
I am just spreading the knowledge. You cannot protect yourself against
things you know nothing about thus the update. Some long-term thinkers
are probably relieved by the News Article while others simply do not care.
I do see how stupid this is getting to use your terms. If disbursing
information is not helpful in your opinion, then it is within your 1st
amendment rights to express this.
For me, knowledge and accurate information are key,
Adam
On 10/12/2017 4:46 PM, John Lutzon wrote:
>
>
>
> And, How are You protecting meteorite collecting?
> To protect is to do something--not post News articles.
> What I got from this post is -- something Of Yours
> was lost and lazy diggers did bad -- ok, we all got it
>
> So, what is your point--other than pointing out that things
> don't always go well.
>
> Maybe you would like to talk about how ancient cultures
> desercrated iron meteorites by making tools? Maybe you
> could sue them.
>
> Do you see how stupid this is getting.
>
> Adam-please
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
> To: "metlist" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 6:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] U.S to Withdraw From UNESCO
>
>
> I am trying to protect the avocation of meteorite collecting. I saw my
> last hobby, "Treasure Hunting" which I was engaged in since 1975
> completely destroyed by those that thought they were above the fray.
> The lack of respect for laws and rules resulted in most lands being
> taken off limits. Lazy hunters who left holes behind where kids could
> break their ankles was the start of the end for amateur treasure hunters
> who left land in better condition then when the entered by removing trash.
>
> Meteorite hunting and collecting is being threatened every day.
>
> UNESCO is just one of many examples,
>
> Adam
>
>
>
>
>
> On 10/12/2017 2:57 PM, John Lutzon wrote:
>>
>> So much wasted intellect.
>> My opinion is you could be doing/helping so many people in the
>> meteoritic community but it "seems" you feel persecuted because
>> of opinions towards you on the Internet -- this is The World WIDE WEB.
>> Last I checked--it is not a prosecutable crime to express your Opinion
>> whether on the internet or not.
>>
>> However, there is the "chilling effect law" which is prosecutable.
>> IE: "where speech or conduct is supressed by fear of penalization".
>>
>> "{Remember what you say is permanently recorded and can be used
>> against you in a court of law.}" ["Adam Hupe"]. Bad road to go down.
>>
>> I don't care for what people say about me and good god what they
Re: [meteorite-list] U.S to Withdraw From UNESCO
Yes Adam, Thank you for your dedication to the IMCA and the meteoritic community. No argument here - just discussion--with verification from the poster. My knowledge is limited--by some standards--very knowledgeable by others. It was Your Contribution I was hoping for. You seem to have retreated to a point of me,me, my, my--and only talk about you and your tribulations. John - Original Message - From: "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> To: "metlist" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 9:32 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] U.S to Withdraw From UNESCO Your emails have been posting to the List thus the response. Let me turn it around, What have you done for and what can you do for this great avocation besides casting a chilling effect on posts by attempting to turn them into arguments? UNESCO was not involved with meteorites until after 2000. I saw what influence UNESCO had on treasure hunting in the 1980s. Meteorite Hunting is a barely alive form of treasure hunting thus the connection. I was actively involved with the treasure hunting community for decades before it went nearly extinct. I became involved in the meteorite hunting aspect of treasure hunting much later in the 1990s. I volunteered my time and served two terms on the IMCA board. Perhaps you could make a difference. Every little bit helps. Adam On 10/12/2017 6:03 PM, John Lutzon wrote: > > I was ok with the same personal email to me but since you posted > to the list > > I agree with one sentance--"For me, knowledge and accurate information are > key," > > So, when you became aware (1980's) of Unesco's possible implications to > meteorite hunting/ownership did you enact any actions or legislation to > Protect > anyone/anything? > > What Knowledgeable information would you impart to this list on the recent > decision to remove the US from Unesco? > > What Accurate information would you be willing to impart to this list on the > ramifications/advantages of our withdrawal from Unesco Regarding Meteorites. > > Remember--knowledge and accurate information are key. > > John > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> > To: "meteorite- >> metlist" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 8:22 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] U.S to Withdraw From UNESCO > > > It is obvious to most that making people aware of UNESCO and what > effects it may have on our avocation is important, at least to those who > think long-term. > > I was first made aware of UNESCOs influence on treasure hunting in the > 1980s. The late and Great, Richard Norton first pointed out to me what > influence the Douglass Schmitt paper that ties meteorites to UNESCO and > ownership laws had on meteorite hunters and collectors. > > I am just spreading the knowledge. You cannot protect yourself against > things you know nothing about thus the update. Some long-term thinkers > are probably relieved by the News Article while others simply do not care. > > I do see how stupid this is getting to use your terms. If disbursing > information is not helpful in your opinion, then it is within your 1st > amendment rights to express this. > > For me, knowledge and accurate information are key, > > Adam > > > > > On 10/12/2017 4:46 PM, John Lutzon wrote: >> >> >> >> And, How are You protecting meteorite collecting? >> To protect is to do something--not post News articles. >> What I got from this post is -- something Of Yours >> was lost and lazy diggers did bad -- ok, we all got it >> >> So, what is your point--other than pointing out that things >> don't always go well. >> >> Maybe you would like to talk about how ancient cultures >> desercrated iron meteorites by making tools? Maybe you >> could sue them. >> >> Do you see how stupid this is getting. >> >> Adam-please >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> >> To: "metlist" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> >> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 6:44 PM >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] U.S to Withdraw From UNESCO >> >> >> I am trying to protect the avocation of meteorite collecting. I saw my >> last hobby, "Treasure Hunting" which I was engaged in since 1975 >> completely destroyed by those that thought they were above the fray. >> The lack of respect for la
Re: [meteorite-list] U.S to Withdraw From UNESCO
Your emails have been posting to the List thus the response. Let me
turn it around, What have you done for and what can you do for this
great avocation besides casting a chilling effect on posts by attempting
to turn them into arguments?
UNESCO was not involved with meteorites until after 2000. I saw what
influence UNESCO had on treasure hunting in the 1980s. Meteorite
Hunting is a barely alive form of treasure hunting thus the connection.
I was actively involved with the treasure hunting community for decades
before it went nearly extinct. I became involved in the meteorite
hunting aspect of treasure hunting much later in the 1990s. I
volunteered my time and served two terms on the IMCA board. Perhaps you
could make a difference. Every little bit helps.
Adam
On 10/12/2017 6:03 PM, John Lutzon wrote:
I was ok with the same personal email to me but since you posted
to the list
I agree with one sentance--"For me, knowledge and accurate information are key,"
So, when you became aware (1980's) of Unesco's possible implications to
meteorite hunting/ownership did you enact any actions or legislation to Protect
anyone/anything?
What Knowledgeable information would you impart to this list on the recent
decision to remove the US from Unesco?
What Accurate information would you be willing to impart to this list on the
ramifications/advantages of our withdrawal from Unesco Regarding Meteorites.
Remember--knowledge and accurate information are key.
John
- Original Message -
From: "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
To: "meteorite- >> metlist" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 8:22 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] U.S to Withdraw From UNESCO
It is obvious to most that making people aware of UNESCO and what
effects it may have on our avocation is important, at least to those who
think long-term.
I was first made aware of UNESCOs influence on treasure hunting in the
1980s. The late and Great, Richard Norton first pointed out to me what
influence the Douglass Schmitt paper that ties meteorites to UNESCO and
ownership laws had on meteorite hunters and collectors.
I am just spreading the knowledge. You cannot protect yourself against
things you know nothing about thus the update. Some long-term thinkers
are probably relieved by the News Article while others simply do not care.
I do see how stupid this is getting to use your terms. If disbursing
information is not helpful in your opinion, then it is within your 1st
amendment rights to express this.
For me, knowledge and accurate information are key,
Adam
On 10/12/2017 4:46 PM, John Lutzon wrote:
And, How are You protecting meteorite collecting?
To protect is to do something--not post News articles.
What I got from this post is -- something Of Yours
was lost and lazy diggers did bad -- ok, we all got it
So, what is your point--other than pointing out that things
don't always go well.
Maybe you would like to talk about how ancient cultures
desercrated iron meteorites by making tools? Maybe you
could sue them.
Do you see how stupid this is getting.
Adam-please
- Original Message -
From: "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
To: "metlist" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 6:44 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] U.S to Withdraw From UNESCO
I am trying to protect the avocation of meteorite collecting. I saw my
last hobby, "Treasure Hunting" which I was engaged in since 1975
completely destroyed by those that thought they were above the fray.
The lack of respect for laws and rules resulted in most lands being
taken off limits. Lazy hunters who left holes behind where kids could
break their ankles was the start of the end for amateur treasure hunters
who left land in better condition then when the entered by removing trash.
Meteorite hunting and collecting is being threatened every day.
UNESCO is just one of many examples,
Adam
On 10/12/2017 2:57 PM, John Lutzon wrote:
So much wasted intellect.
My opinion is you could be doing/helping so many people in the
meteoritic community but it "seems" you feel persecuted because
of opinions towards you on the Internet -- this is The World WIDE WEB.
Last I checked--it is not a prosecutable crime to express your Opinion
whether on the internet or not.
However, there is the "chilling effect law" which is prosecutable.
IE: "where speech or conduct is supressed by fear of penalization".
"{Remember what you say is permanently recorded and can be used
against you in a court of law.}" ["Adam Hupe"]. Bad road to go down.
I don't care for what people say about me and good god what they may
think of me--hell, I keep going and I don't have 1/10 of your expertise.
As you may h
Re: [meteorite-list] U.S to Withdraw From UNESCO
I was ok with the same personal email to me but since you posted
to the list
I agree with one sentance--"For me, knowledge and accurate information are key,"
So, when you became aware (1980's) of Unesco's possible implications to
meteorite hunting/ownership did you enact any actions or legislation to Protect
anyone/anything?
What Knowledgeable information would you impart to this list on the recent
decision to remove the US from Unesco?
What Accurate information would you be willing to impart to this list on the
ramifications/advantages of our withdrawal from Unesco Regarding Meteorites.
Remember--knowledge and accurate information are key.
John
- Original Message -
From: "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
To: "meteorite- >> metlist" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 8:22 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] U.S to Withdraw From UNESCO
It is obvious to most that making people aware of UNESCO and what
effects it may have on our avocation is important, at least to those who
think long-term.
I was first made aware of UNESCOs influence on treasure hunting in the
1980s. The late and Great, Richard Norton first pointed out to me what
influence the Douglass Schmitt paper that ties meteorites to UNESCO and
ownership laws had on meteorite hunters and collectors.
I am just spreading the knowledge. You cannot protect yourself against
things you know nothing about thus the update. Some long-term thinkers
are probably relieved by the News Article while others simply do not care.
I do see how stupid this is getting to use your terms. If disbursing
information is not helpful in your opinion, then it is within your 1st
amendment rights to express this.
For me, knowledge and accurate information are key,
Adam
On 10/12/2017 4:46 PM, John Lutzon wrote:
>
>
>
> And, How are You protecting meteorite collecting?
> To protect is to do something--not post News articles.
> What I got from this post is -- something Of Yours
> was lost and lazy diggers did bad -- ok, we all got it
>
> So, what is your point--other than pointing out that things
> don't always go well.
>
> Maybe you would like to talk about how ancient cultures
> desercrated iron meteorites by making tools? Maybe you
> could sue them.
>
> Do you see how stupid this is getting.
>
> Adam-please
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
> To: "metlist" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 6:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] U.S to Withdraw From UNESCO
>
>
> I am trying to protect the avocation of meteorite collecting. I saw my
> last hobby, "Treasure Hunting" which I was engaged in since 1975
> completely destroyed by those that thought they were above the fray.
> The lack of respect for laws and rules resulted in most lands being
> taken off limits. Lazy hunters who left holes behind where kids could
> break their ankles was the start of the end for amateur treasure hunters
> who left land in better condition then when the entered by removing trash.
>
> Meteorite hunting and collecting is being threatened every day.
>
> UNESCO is just one of many examples,
>
> Adam
>
>
>
>
>
> On 10/12/2017 2:57 PM, John Lutzon wrote:
>>
>> So much wasted intellect.
>> My opinion is you could be doing/helping so many people in the
>> meteoritic community but it "seems" you feel persecuted because
>> of opinions towards you on the Internet -- this is The World WIDE WEB.
>> Last I checked--it is not a prosecutable crime to express your Opinion
>> whether on the internet or not.
>>
>> However, there is the "chilling effect law" which is prosecutable.
>> IE: "where speech or conduct is supressed by fear of penalization".
>>
>> "{Remember what you say is permanently recorded and can be used
>> against you in a court of law.}" ["Adam Hupe"]. Bad road to go down.
>>
>> I don't care for what people say about me and good god what they may
>> think of me--hell, I keep going and I don't have 1/10 of your expertise.
>>
>> As you may have surmised, I don't care for threatening stupid talk.
>>
>> All I Really want are discussions about METEORITES.
>> Not personal BS.
>>
>> Respect, John
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
>> To: "metlist" <meteorite-list@meteoritecent
Re: [meteorite-list] U.S to Withdraw From UNESCO
It is obvious to most that making people aware of UNESCO and what
effects it may have on our avocation is important, at least to those who
think long-term.
I was first made aware of UNESCOs influence on treasure hunting in the
1980s. The late and Great, Richard Norton first pointed out to me what
influence the Douglass Schmitt paper that ties meteorites to UNESCO and
ownership laws had on meteorite hunters and collectors.
I am just spreading the knowledge. You cannot protect yourself against
things you know nothing about thus the update. Some long-term thinkers
are probably relieved by the News Article while others simply do not care.
I do see how stupid this is getting to use your terms. If disbursing
information is not helpful in your opinion, then it is within your 1st
amendment rights to express this.
For me, knowledge and accurate information are key,
Adam
On 10/12/2017 4:46 PM, John Lutzon wrote:
And, How are You protecting meteorite collecting?
To protect is to do something--not post News articles.
What I got from this post is -- something Of Yours
was lost and lazy diggers did bad -- ok, we all got it
So, what is your point--other than pointing out that things
don't always go well.
Maybe you would like to talk about how ancient cultures
desercrated iron meteorites by making tools? Maybe you
could sue them.
Do you see how stupid this is getting.
Adam-please
- Original Message -
From: "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
To: "metlist" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 6:44 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] U.S to Withdraw From UNESCO
I am trying to protect the avocation of meteorite collecting. I saw my
last hobby, "Treasure Hunting" which I was engaged in since 1975
completely destroyed by those that thought they were above the fray.
The lack of respect for laws and rules resulted in most lands being
taken off limits. Lazy hunters who left holes behind where kids could
break their ankles was the start of the end for amateur treasure hunters
who left land in better condition then when the entered by removing trash.
Meteorite hunting and collecting is being threatened every day.
UNESCO is just one of many examples,
Adam
On 10/12/2017 2:57 PM, John Lutzon wrote:
So much wasted intellect.
My opinion is you could be doing/helping so many people in the
meteoritic community but it "seems" you feel persecuted because
of opinions towards you on the Internet -- this is The World WIDE WEB.
Last I checked--it is not a prosecutable crime to express your Opinion
whether on the internet or not.
However, there is the "chilling effect law" which is prosecutable.
IE: "where speech or conduct is supressed by fear of penalization".
"{Remember what you say is permanently recorded and can be used
against you in a court of law.}" ["Adam Hupe"]. Bad road to go down.
I don't care for what people say about me and good god what they may
think of me--hell, I keep going and I don't have 1/10 of your expertise.
As you may have surmised, I don't care for threatening stupid talk.
All I Really want are discussions about METEORITES.
Not personal BS.
Respect, John
- Original Message -
From: "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
To: "metlist" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 4:22 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] U.S to Withdraw From UNESCO
Here is the infamous Douglass Schmitt paper that tied UNESCO to
meteorites in PDF format:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10./j.1945-5100.2002.tb00897.x/pdf
By the way, some people do not think that I see what is posted in
Facebook. Even though I do not subscribe to Facebook, I record anything
that pertains to me for future reference. Remember what you say is
permanently recorded and can be used against you in a court of law.
It seems some dealers do not like what I have to say about piggy backers
and tailgaters. I even had an Original Dealer (OD) violate a
long-standing agreement we had by mentioning my name. Note only this,
there are a few newbie dealers who feel the need to badmouth me and have
reduced themselves to name calling. It is interesting that dealers that
have something to hide are usually the cowards to post in other forums
not realizing that it upsets the majority of collectors and honest
dealers who follow the rules and demand provenance.
Adam
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Re: [meteorite-list] U.S to Withdraw From UNESCO
And, How are You protecting meteorite collecting?
To protect is to do something--not post News articles.
What I got from this post is -- something Of Yours
was lost and lazy diggers did bad -- ok, we all got it
So, what is your point--other than pointing out that things
don't always go well.
Maybe you would like to talk about how ancient cultures
desercrated iron meteorites by making tools? Maybe you
could sue them.
Do you see how stupid this is getting.
Adam-please
- Original Message -
From: "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
To: "metlist" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 6:44 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] U.S to Withdraw From UNESCO
I am trying to protect the avocation of meteorite collecting. I saw my
last hobby, "Treasure Hunting" which I was engaged in since 1975
completely destroyed by those that thought they were above the fray.
The lack of respect for laws and rules resulted in most lands being
taken off limits. Lazy hunters who left holes behind where kids could
break their ankles was the start of the end for amateur treasure hunters
who left land in better condition then when the entered by removing trash.
Meteorite hunting and collecting is being threatened every day.
UNESCO is just one of many examples,
Adam
On 10/12/2017 2:57 PM, John Lutzon wrote:
>
> So much wasted intellect.
> My opinion is you could be doing/helping so many people in the
> meteoritic community but it "seems" you feel persecuted because
> of opinions towards you on the Internet -- this is The World WIDE WEB.
> Last I checked--it is not a prosecutable crime to express your Opinion
> whether on the internet or not.
>
> However, there is the "chilling effect law" which is prosecutable.
> IE: "where speech or conduct is supressed by fear of penalization".
>
> "{Remember what you say is permanently recorded and can be used
> against you in a court of law.}" ["Adam Hupe"]. Bad road to go down.
>
> I don't care for what people say about me and good god what they may
> think of me--hell, I keep going and I don't have 1/10 of your expertise.
>
> As you may have surmised, I don't care for threatening stupid talk.
>
> All I Really want are discussions about METEORITES.
> Not personal BS.
>
> Respect, John
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
> To: "metlist" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 4:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] U.S to Withdraw From UNESCO
>
>
> Here is the infamous Douglass Schmitt paper that tied UNESCO to
> meteorites in PDF format:
>
> http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10./j.1945-5100.2002.tb00897.x/pdf
>
> By the way, some people do not think that I see what is posted in
> Facebook. Even though I do not subscribe to Facebook, I record anything
> that pertains to me for future reference. Remember what you say is
> permanently recorded and can be used against you in a court of law.
>
> It seems some dealers do not like what I have to say about piggy backers
> and tailgaters. I even had an Original Dealer (OD) violate a
> long-standing agreement we had by mentioning my name. Note only this,
> there are a few newbie dealers who feel the need to badmouth me and have
> reduced themselves to name calling. It is interesting that dealers that
> have something to hide are usually the cowards to post in other forums
> not realizing that it upsets the majority of collectors and honest
> dealers who follow the rules and demand provenance.
>
> Adam
>
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] U.S to Withdraw From UNESCO
I am trying to protect the avocation of meteorite collecting. I saw my
last hobby, "Treasure Hunting" which I was engaged in since 1975
completely destroyed by those that thought they were above the fray.
The lack of respect for laws and rules resulted in most lands being
taken off limits. Lazy hunters who left holes behind where kids could
break their ankles was the start of the end for amateur treasure hunters
who left land in better condition then when the entered by removing trash.
Meteorite hunting and collecting is being threatened every day.
UNESCO is just one of many examples,
Adam
On 10/12/2017 2:57 PM, John Lutzon wrote:
So much wasted intellect.
My opinion is you could be doing/helping so many people in the
meteoritic community but it "seems" you feel persecuted because
of opinions towards you on the Internet -- this is The World WIDE WEB.
Last I checked--it is not a prosecutable crime to express your Opinion
whether on the internet or not.
However, there is the "chilling effect law" which is prosecutable.
IE: "where speech or conduct is supressed by fear of penalization".
"{Remember what you say is permanently recorded and can be used
against you in a court of law.}" ["Adam Hupe"]. Bad road to go down.
I don't care for what people say about me and good god what they may
think of me--hell, I keep going and I don't have 1/10 of your expertise.
As you may have surmised, I don't care for threatening stupid talk.
All I Really want are discussions about METEORITES.
Not personal BS.
Respect, John
- Original Message -
From: "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
To: "metlist" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 4:22 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] U.S to Withdraw From UNESCO
Here is the infamous Douglass Schmitt paper that tied UNESCO to
meteorites in PDF format:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10./j.1945-5100.2002.tb00897.x/pdf
By the way, some people do not think that I see what is posted in
Facebook. Even though I do not subscribe to Facebook, I record anything
that pertains to me for future reference. Remember what you say is
permanently recorded and can be used against you in a court of law.
It seems some dealers do not like what I have to say about piggy backers
and tailgaters. I even had an Original Dealer (OD) violate a
long-standing agreement we had by mentioning my name. Note only this,
there are a few newbie dealers who feel the need to badmouth me and have
reduced themselves to name calling. It is interesting that dealers that
have something to hide are usually the cowards to post in other forums
not realizing that it upsets the majority of collectors and honest
dealers who follow the rules and demand provenance.
Adam
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Re: [meteorite-list] U.S to Withdraw From UNESCO
So much wasted intellect.
My opinion is you could be doing/helping so many people in the
meteoritic community but it "seems" you feel persecuted because
of opinions towards you on the Internet -- this is The World WIDE WEB.
Last I checked--it is not a prosecutable crime to express your Opinion
whether on the internet or not.
However, there is the "chilling effect law" which is prosecutable.
IE: "where speech or conduct is supressed by fear of penalization".
"{Remember what you say is permanently recorded and can be used
against you in a court of law.}" ["Adam Hupe"]. Bad road to go down.
I don't care for what people say about me and good god what they may
think of me--hell, I keep going and I don't have 1/10 of your expertise.
As you may have surmised, I don't care for threatening stupid talk.
All I Really want are discussions about METEORITES.
Not personal BS.
Respect, John
- Original Message -
From: "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
To: "metlist" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 4:22 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] U.S to Withdraw From UNESCO
Here is the infamous Douglass Schmitt paper that tied UNESCO to
meteorites in PDF format:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10./j.1945-5100.2002.tb00897.x/pdf
By the way, some people do not think that I see what is posted in
Facebook. Even though I do not subscribe to Facebook, I record anything
that pertains to me for future reference. Remember what you say is
permanently recorded and can be used against you in a court of law.
It seems some dealers do not like what I have to say about piggy backers
and tailgaters. I even had an Original Dealer (OD) violate a
long-standing agreement we had by mentioning my name. Note only this,
there are a few newbie dealers who feel the need to badmouth me and have
reduced themselves to name calling. It is interesting that dealers that
have something to hide are usually the cowards to post in other forums
not realizing that it upsets the majority of collectors and honest
dealers who follow the rules and demand provenance.
Adam
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Re: [meteorite-list] U.S to Withdraw From UNESCO
Here is the infamous Douglass Schmitt paper that tied UNESCO to meteorites in PDF format: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10./j.1945-5100.2002.tb00897.x/pdf By the way, some people do not think that I see what is posted in Facebook. Even though I do not subscribe to Facebook, I record anything that pertains to me for future reference. Remember what you say is permanently recorded and can be used against you in a court of law. It seems some dealers do not like what I have to say about piggy backers and tailgaters. I even had an Original Dealer (OD) violate a long-standing agreement we had by mentioning my name. Note only this, there are a few newbie dealers who feel the need to badmouth me and have reduced themselves to name calling. It is interesting that dealers that have something to hide are usually the cowards to post in other forums not realizing that it upsets the majority of collectors and honest dealers who follow the rules and demand provenance. Adam __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] U.S to Withdraw From UNESCO
It looks like the U.S. will be withdrawing from politically motivated UNESCO which has oversteps its bounds. You may recall that even though meteorites were never mentioned in the rules (laws?) which were later twisted to include them as cultural objects and antiques. http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/12/politics/unesco-us-withdraw/index.html __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
