Re: [meteorite-list] venusmeteorite - Space slag, Boggy creek, Alien gems, Frass marble traders. What a circus
Geeze, boggy creek all over again! DF Bill wrote: I'm glad I never bothered to follow this thread. Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 09:35:43 -0800 (PST) To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] venusmeteorite - Space slag, Boggy creek, Alien gems, Frass marble traders. What a circus I would like to thank those people that responded to my questions. I am thinking of retiring from the list for short time to finish my research and have the impact crater registered. I need to devote my time elsewhere.To the people that have provided encouragement, support and would like further updates, Email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] and I'll send them off-list. I will keep my promise of payment for identical photos of my samples, but I am now not actively soliciting them. I am growing increasingly frustrated and need to regain my composure. So far, nobody has ever answered my basic question What definitive testing will prove space weathering. Recently, a meteorite dealer told me that pictures of my samples were sandstone covered by desert varnish even after I told him that the rocks were basaltic and geologists at the National University in Peru have never seen rocks like this. I've seen desert varnish many many times on my searches for fossilized Megalodon teeth in the Peruvian desert. Peruvian geologists are highly trained and well respected. This and other insults from meteorite dealers made me realize that alot of people are just marble traders and have little scientific knowledge or formal training. Some found meteorite trading profitable and others it's just an off-shoot of their main business of minerals and fossils. Some took their weekend excursions into strewn fields armed with metal detectors and found some meteorites to sell on e-bay. I mean no disrespect to any collectors with a genuine interest and appreciation of meteorites. I find them fascinating. You can sense my frustration. I agree that most know their marbles. Hey, I have a steelie, wanna trade. Yo, I have a peral-lie for sale. Wanna see a picture of a shooter? ooohhh I've got a cat's eye. So, along comes a guy with something a bit unusual. Hey, I found something and I'll call it a spark-lie for now. It looks like your marbles, rolls like your marbles, but I can't prove that it's a marble. Can you help me find out what it is? I'll even give you one for free. And alot of the marble players say sorry you can't play in our game with your unknown marbles and we're too busy buying and trading to help you. Buzz off. There has been speculation resulting from artificial ablation studies on terrestrial rocks that some meteorites may have a clear or transparent fusion crust. Hey, we now have a clear-rie! What marble dealer would recognize this as a marble? You know, I even offered to send (post-paid) a free sample to some dealers and never received a reply. I've read enough, and I'm done with dealers. Dealers reporting stolen meteorites then selling the missing meteorites to absentee bidders. The eBay scams, alien gemstones, space slag, dishonest dealers, and people looking only to profit has tainted my view somewhat of the people involved in the meteorite field. Some of you might recall the story of a well-known meteorite dealer that was accused of stealing a very valuable meteorite (considered to be a national treasure) from a museum in Brazil. He was apprehended at the airport with the meteorite in his luggage... Other people have e-mailed me and said my website www.venusmeteorite.com http://www.venusmeteorite.com/ was very nice. IT IS NOT MY WEBSITE!!! and I never claimed my samples were from Venus. I repeat, my samples are identical to the ones found on venusmeteorite.com. That's all. I don't have a website. What a circus. I realized that the people that I should be talking to are volcanologists (neck-deep in lava, so to speak). They can give me a real expert opinion on basaltic rocks. So I am now taking the opposite approach. If volcanologists have never seen rocks like this and geologists have never seen rocks like this, then... guess what? If it can't be found on Earth then ... The response I've received from the people in the field of volcanology has been fantastic. They've requested samples, and will make 40 micron slices. They will be sending samples to other universities and another to friends at the Smithsonian Institution for further analysis and expert opinion. This is the type of response I was hoping from the meteorite community but never received. I received a great deal of ridicule. The exception are the few scientists that helped answer some of my questions. To them, my thanks
[meteorite-list] venusmeteorite - Space slag, Boggy creek, Alien gems, Frass marble traders. What a circus
I would like to thank those people that responded to my questions. I am thinking of retiring from the list for short time to finish my research and have the impact crater registered. I need to devote my time elsewhere.To the people that have provided encouragement, support and would like further updates, Email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I'll send them off-list. I will keep my promise of payment for identical photos of my samples, but I am now not actively soliciting them. I am growing increasingly frustrated and need to regain my composure. So far, nobody has ever answered my basic question What definitive testing will prove space weathering. Recently, a meteorite dealer told me that pictures of my samples were sandstone covered by desert varnish even after I told him that the rocks were basaltic and geologists at the National University in Peru have never seen rocks like this. I've seen desert varnish many many times on my searches for fossilized Megalodon teeth in the Peruvian desert. Peruvian geologists are highly trained and well respected. This and other insults from meteorite dealers made me realize that alot of people are just marble traders and have little scientific knowledge or formal training. Some found meteorite trading profitable and others it's just an off-shoot of their main business of minerals and fossils. Some took their weekend excursions into strewn fields armed with metal detectors and found some meteorites to sell on e-bay. I mean no disrespect to any collectors with a genuine interest and appreciation of meteorites. I find them fascinating. You can sense my frustration. I agree that most know their marbles. Hey, I have a steelie, wanna trade. Yo, I have a peral-lie for sale. Wanna see a picture of a shooter? ooohhh I've got a cat's eye. So, along comes a guy with something a bit unusual. Hey, I found something and I'll call it a spark-lie for now. It looks like your marbles, rolls like your marbles, but I can't prove that it's a marble. Can you help me find out what it is? I'll even give you one for free. And alot of the marble players say sorry you can't play in our game with your unknown marbles and we're too busy buying and trading to help you. Buzz off. There has been speculation resulting from artificial ablation studies on terrestrial rocks that some meteorites may have a clear or transparent fusion crust. Hey, we now have a clear-rie! What marble dealer would recognize this as a marble? You know, I even offered to send (post-paid) a free sample to some dealers and never received a reply. I've read enough, and I'm done with dealers. Dealers reporting stolen meteorites then selling the missing meteorites to absentee bidders. The eBay scams, alien gemstones, space slag, dishonest dealers, and people looking only to profit has tainted my view somewhat of the people involved in the meteorite field. Some of you might recall the story of a well-known meteorite dealer that was accused of stealing a very valuable meteorite (considered to be a national treasure) from a museum in Brazil. He was apprehended at the airport with the meteorite in his luggage... Other people have e-mailed me and said my website www.venusmeteorite.com was very nice. IT IS NOT MY WEBSITE!!! and I never claimed my samples were from Venus. I repeat, my samples are identical to the ones found on venusmeteorite.com. That's all. I don't have a website. What a circus. I realized that the people that I should be talking to are volcanologists (neck-deep in lava, so to speak). They can give me a real expert opinion on basaltic rocks. So I am now taking the opposite approach. If volcanologists have never seen rocks like this and geologists have never seen rocks like this, then... guess what? If it can't be found on Earth then ... The response I've received from the people in the field of volcanology has been fantastic. They've requested samples, and will make 40 micron slices. They will be sending samples to other universities and another to friends at the Smithsonian Institution for further analysis and expert opinion. This is the type of response I was hoping from the meteorite community but never received. I received a great deal of ridicule. The exception are the few scientists that helped answer some of my questions. To them, my thanks and appreciation. As of this moment, only a few samples are know to exist, the author of venusmeteorite.com and myself thus making them even more rare than Martian meteorites. Score 34 for the Martians and approximately 18 for the ___? You fill in the blank. (Venusians, Mercurians, nut-bags, idiots, Space slaggers, whatever...) My wife suggested that I auction one to help with our costs. Let me reiterate, I am not in this to make money, folks. I will be incuring significant costs for very expensive private testing when I return to the United States.
Re: [meteorite-list] venusmeteorite - Space slag, Boggy creek, Alien gems, Frass marble traders. What a circus
I'm glad I never bothered to follow this thread. Bill -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 09:35:43 -0800 (PST)To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comSubject: [meteorite-list] venusmeteorite - Space slag, Boggy creek, Alien gems, Frass marble traders. What a circus I would like tothank those people that responded to my questions. I am thinking of retiring from thelist for short time to finish my research and have the impact crater registered.I need to devote my time elsewhere.To the people that have provided encouragement, support and would likefurther updates, Email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I'll send them off-list. I will keepmy promise of payment for identical photos of my samples, but I am now not actively soliciting them. I am growing increasingly frustrated and need to regain my composure. So far, nobody has ever answered my basic question "What definitive testing willprove space weathering". Recently, a meteorite dealer told me that pictures ofmy sampleswere sandstone covered bydesert varnish even after I told him that the rocks were basaltic and geologists at the National University in Peruhave never seen rocks like this.I've seen desert varnish many many times on my searches for fossilizedMegalodon teeth in the Peruvian desert.Peruvian geologists are highly trained and well respected. This and other insults frommeteorite dealers made me realize thatalot of people are just marble traders and have little scientific knowledge or formal training.Some found meteorite trading profitable andothers it's just an off-shoot of their main business of minerals and fossils. Some took their weekend excursions into strewn fields armed with metal detectors and found some meteorites to sell on e-bay. I mean no disrespect toany collectors with agenuineinterest and appreciation of meteorites. I find them fascinating. You cansensemy frustration. I agree thatmost know their marbles. Hey, I have a steelie, wanna trade. Yo, I have a peral-lie for sale.Wanna see a picture of a shooter? ooohhh I've got a cat's eye.So, along comes a guy with something a bit unusual. Hey, I found something and I'll call it a spark-lie for now. It looks like your marbles, rolls like your marbles, but I can't prove that it's a marble. Can you help me find out what it is? I'll even give you one for free. And alot of the marble players say "sorry you can't play in our game with your unknown marbles and we're too busy buying and trading to help you". Buzz off. There has been speculation resulting from artificial ablation studies on terrestrial rocksthat some meteorites may have a clear or transparent fusion crust. Hey, we now have a clear-rie! What marble dealer would recognize this as a marble? You know, I even offered to send (post-paid) a free sample to some dealers and never received a reply. I've read enough, and I'm done with dealers. Dealers reporting stolen meteorites then selling the "missing" meteorites to absentee bidders. The eBay scams, alien gemstones, space slag, dishonest dealers, and people looking only to profit has tainted my view somewhat of thepeople involved in the meteorite field. Some of you might recall the story of a well-known meteorite dealer that was accused of stealing a very valuable meteorite (considered to be a national treasure) from a museum in Brazil. He wasapprehended at the airport with the meteorite in his luggage... Otherpeople have e-mailed me and said my website www.venusmeteorite.com was very nice. IT IS NOT MY WEBSITE!!!and I never claimed my samples were from Venus. I repeat, my samples are identical to the ones found on venusmeteorite.com. That's all. I don't have a website. What a circus. I realized that the people that I should be talking to arevolcanologists (neck-deep in lava, so to speak). They cangive me a real expert opinion on basaltic rocks.So I am now taking the opposite approach. If volcanologists have never seen rocks like this and geologists have never seen rocks like this,then... guess what? If it can't be found on Earth then ... The response I've received from the people in the field of volcanology has been fantastic. They've requested samples, and will make 40 micron slices. They will be sending samples to other universities and anotherto friends at the Smithsonian Institution for further analysis andexpert opinion.This is the type of response I was hoping from the meteorite community but never received. I received a great deal of ridicule. The exceptionare the few scientists that helped answer some of my questions. To them,my thanks and appreciation. As of this moment,only a few samples are know to exist,the author of venusmeteorite.com and myself thus making themeven more rare than Martianmeteorites. Score 34 for the Martians and approximately 18for the ___? You fill in the blank. (Venusians, Mercurians, nut-bags, idiots, Spaceslaggers, whatever...) My wife suggested that I auction one
