Re: [meteorite-list] Article : 21st Century Meteorite Falls, Part Two

[Graham Ensor via Meteorite-list]

Apparently I just found outanother hoax video...shamelooked
convincing to me.

On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 4:00 PM, Graham Ensor 
wrote:

> But this looks promising Finbarr :-)...a couple of days ago...seems to be
> heading for land over the Bristol channel into Southern UK perhaps when you
> check out the map it was too high and far on to land in the Bristol
> channel http://travel.aol.co.uk/2016/10/20/flaming-meteor-crashes-
> into-sea-in-south-wales/?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl1%
> 7Csec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D-1309516890_uk
>
> Graham
>
> On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 10:02 PM, finbarr connolly via Meteorite-list <
> meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>
>> I find the relatively static number of falls very surprising, considering
>> the proliferation of cameras compared to earlier times. Still waiting for
>> our first British Isles fall of the 21st century!
>>
>> Finbarr.
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 9:46 PM, Carl Agee via Meteorite-list <
>> meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Always an interesting topic!
>>>
>>> A couple of things come to mind:
>>>
>>> Morocco has 8 falls in the 21st century, which you suggest has to do
>>> with the meteorite-savvy population and desert terrain. California has
>>> a very similar area and population density -- also a west facing coast
>>> line, a fair amount of desert, and a mountain range. How many 21st
>>> century falls in CA?
>>>
>>> We are over-due for a lunar falls! There are now 265 classified lunars
>>> -- all of them finds. Compare that with 5 martian falls and 177
>>> classified finds, or for example mesosiderites with 6 falls and 261
>>> classified finds. Aubrites have 9 falls and 63 finds.
>>>
>>> Brachinites have no falls (40 finds), any others?
>>>
>>> Carl
>>>
>>>
>>> *
>>> Carl B. Agee
>>> Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics
>>> Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences
>>> MSC03 2050
>>> University of New Mexico
>>> Albuquerque NM 87131-1126
>>>
>>> Tel: (505) 750-7172
>>> Fax: (505) 277-3577
>>> Email: a...@unm.edu
>>> http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/
>>> http://compres.us/about-us/compres-president
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 1:57 PM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks via
>>> Meteorite-list  wrote:
>>> > "...In the first 10 years of the 21st Century, we have seen 58 new
>>> > meteorite falls (as of this writing). As we close out the first decade
>>> > of this new century, let us examine some of the facts and numbers
>>> > surrounding these recent falls. For the purposes of this article, we
>>> > will only examine those falls which have been officially recognized by
>>> > the Meteoritical Society. There have been a few documented falls that
>>> > have not been approved yet (Zunhua and Cartersville), so these falls
>>> > will not be included in this analysis..."
>>> >
>>> > I wrote the above introductory paragraph nearly 6 years ago (early
>>> > 2010) when I did my first analysis of recent meteorite fall
>>> > statistics. More than 5 years later, we have had 40 more
>>> > officially-recognized falls. In that same span of time, we have also
>>> > had Breja, Addison, Oslo, Mahbse Aarraid, and the recent White
>>> > Mountains fall that are well documented falls that have not been
>>> > approved or published in the Met Bull.  A quick look at the overall
>>> > numbers shows a very slight increase in the number of approved falls
>>> > in the last 6 years compared to the previous 9.5 years. This is likely
>>> > due, in part, to increased awareness of meteorites and increased
>>> > recovery rates.
>>> >
>>> > Also, it seems that NonCom has been moving a bit faster to approve new
>>> > falls and publish them in the Met Bull. Taking all of these recent
>>> > falls into account, we have now had 98 official falls since the year
>>> > 2000. If one chooses to include the recent unofficial falls which will
>>> > likely be approved in the near future, then we have had over 100
>>> > meteorite falls in the 21st century.
>>> >
>>> > So, in the first 16 years (2000-2016) of this century, we have
>>> > averaged just over 6 approved falls per year.  This represents an
>>> > uptick in the average number of approved falls compared to the
>>> > previous period of 2000-2010 where the average was 5. This is not so
>>> > clear cut though, because a couple of older falls were approved in the
>>> > years since, including Zunhua (as it was known in 2010), which was
>>> > approved in late 2015 as Xinglongquan. For tidy conversational
>>> > purposes, it's safe to say that we expect about 5 to 6 new approved
>>> > falls each year. A number of 5 per year being more conservative and
>>> > closer to 6 if you take into account that some falls are not recovered
>>> > or approved until a year or more after the date of their fall.
>>> >
>>> > Now let's take a look at the numbers and have some fun with them :
>>> > Which petrologic type do you think 

Re: [meteorite-list] Article : 21st Century Meteorite Falls, Part Two

[Graham Ensor via Meteorite-list]

But this looks promising Finbarr :-)...a couple of days ago...seems to be
heading for land over the Bristol channel into Southern UK perhaps when you
check out the map it was too high and far on to land in the Bristol
channel
http://travel.aol.co.uk/2016/10/20/flaming-meteor-crashes-into-sea-in-south-wales/?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl1%7Csec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D-1309516890_uk

Graham

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 10:02 PM, finbarr connolly via Meteorite-list <
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:

> I find the relatively static number of falls very surprising, considering
> the proliferation of cameras compared to earlier times. Still waiting for
> our first British Isles fall of the 21st century!
>
> Finbarr.
>
> On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 9:46 PM, Carl Agee via Meteorite-list <
> meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>
>> Always an interesting topic!
>>
>> A couple of things come to mind:
>>
>> Morocco has 8 falls in the 21st century, which you suggest has to do
>> with the meteorite-savvy population and desert terrain. California has
>> a very similar area and population density -- also a west facing coast
>> line, a fair amount of desert, and a mountain range. How many 21st
>> century falls in CA?
>>
>> We are over-due for a lunar falls! There are now 265 classified lunars
>> -- all of them finds. Compare that with 5 martian falls and 177
>> classified finds, or for example mesosiderites with 6 falls and 261
>> classified finds. Aubrites have 9 falls and 63 finds.
>>
>> Brachinites have no falls (40 finds), any others?
>>
>> Carl
>>
>>
>> *
>> Carl B. Agee
>> Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics
>> Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences
>> MSC03 2050
>> University of New Mexico
>> Albuquerque NM 87131-1126
>>
>> Tel: (505) 750-7172
>> Fax: (505) 277-3577
>> Email: a...@unm.edu
>> http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/
>> http://compres.us/about-us/compres-president
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 1:57 PM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks via
>> Meteorite-list  wrote:
>> > "...In the first 10 years of the 21st Century, we have seen 58 new
>> > meteorite falls (as of this writing). As we close out the first decade
>> > of this new century, let us examine some of the facts and numbers
>> > surrounding these recent falls. For the purposes of this article, we
>> > will only examine those falls which have been officially recognized by
>> > the Meteoritical Society. There have been a few documented falls that
>> > have not been approved yet (Zunhua and Cartersville), so these falls
>> > will not be included in this analysis..."
>> >
>> > I wrote the above introductory paragraph nearly 6 years ago (early
>> > 2010) when I did my first analysis of recent meteorite fall
>> > statistics. More than 5 years later, we have had 40 more
>> > officially-recognized falls. In that same span of time, we have also
>> > had Breja, Addison, Oslo, Mahbse Aarraid, and the recent White
>> > Mountains fall that are well documented falls that have not been
>> > approved or published in the Met Bull.  A quick look at the overall
>> > numbers shows a very slight increase in the number of approved falls
>> > in the last 6 years compared to the previous 9.5 years. This is likely
>> > due, in part, to increased awareness of meteorites and increased
>> > recovery rates.
>> >
>> > Also, it seems that NonCom has been moving a bit faster to approve new
>> > falls and publish them in the Met Bull. Taking all of these recent
>> > falls into account, we have now had 98 official falls since the year
>> > 2000. If one chooses to include the recent unofficial falls which will
>> > likely be approved in the near future, then we have had over 100
>> > meteorite falls in the 21st century.
>> >
>> > So, in the first 16 years (2000-2016) of this century, we have
>> > averaged just over 6 approved falls per year.  This represents an
>> > uptick in the average number of approved falls compared to the
>> > previous period of 2000-2010 where the average was 5. This is not so
>> > clear cut though, because a couple of older falls were approved in the
>> > years since, including Zunhua (as it was known in 2010), which was
>> > approved in late 2015 as Xinglongquan. For tidy conversational
>> > purposes, it's safe to say that we expect about 5 to 6 new approved
>> > falls each year. A number of 5 per year being more conservative and
>> > closer to 6 if you take into account that some falls are not recovered
>> > or approved until a year or more after the date of their fall.
>> >
>> > Now let's take a look at the numbers and have some fun with them :
>> > Which petrologic type do you think was the most common type recovered
>> > during the first 16 years of this century?
>> >
>> > Well, it's safe to say that it is an ordinary chondrite. No surprises
>> there.
>> >
>> > More specifically, we have a tie between L6 and H5 chondrites at 23
>> each.
>> >
>> > Anyone want 

Re: [meteorite-list] Article : 21st Century Meteorite Falls, Part Two

[Galactic Stone & Ironworks via Meteorite-list]

Hi Carl and List,

I am just guessing about Morocco. It seems like Tissint really
hammered home the notion of chasing meteorite falls there.

We have seen a total of 4 witnessed falls in California since 2000 :

Red Canyon Lake (2007)
Sutter's Mill (2012)
Novato (2012)
Creston (2015)

The only other California fall in the Met Bull is San Juan Capistrano,
which was way back in 1973.

Four out of five California falls happened in the last 10 years.

I agree about lunar falls - we are long overdue. I wonder if one of
those fireballs that was chased without a recovery was actually a
lunar fall - maybe the hunters walked right over it and didn't
realize. (Unlikely now I think). I always wonder how many lunar
meteorites are laying around the USA and are overlooked because they
don't look like typical meteorites and they are metal-poor. There has
to some out there somewhere.  We haven't had a single lunar find
anywhere in the USA (yet).

There has only been 1 winonaite fall : Pontlyfni (UK, 1931)

There have been zero CH falls.

There might be others, but I can't think of them right offhand.

Best regards,

MikeG

www.galactic-stone.com





On 10/20/16, Carl Agee  wrote:
> Always an interesting topic!
>
> A couple of things come to mind:
>
> Morocco has 8 falls in the 21st century, which you suggest has to do
> with the meteorite-savvy population and desert terrain. California has
> a very similar area and population density -- also a west facing coast
> line, a fair amount of desert, and a mountain range. How many 21st
> century falls in CA?
>
> We are over-due for a lunar falls! There are now 265 classified lunars
> -- all of them finds. Compare that with 5 martian falls and 177
> classified finds, or for example mesosiderites with 6 falls and 261
> classified finds. Aubrites have 9 falls and 63 finds.
>
> Brachinites have no falls (40 finds), any others?
>
> Carl
>
>
> *
> Carl B. Agee
> Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics
> Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences
> MSC03 2050
> University of New Mexico
> Albuquerque NM 87131-1126
>
> Tel: (505) 750-7172
> Fax: (505) 277-3577
> Email: a...@unm.edu
> http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/
> http://compres.us/about-us/compres-president
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 1:57 PM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks via
> Meteorite-list  wrote:
>> "...In the first 10 years of the 21st Century, we have seen 58 new
>> meteorite falls (as of this writing). As we close out the first decade
>> of this new century, let us examine some of the facts and numbers
>> surrounding these recent falls. For the purposes of this article, we
>> will only examine those falls which have been officially recognized by
>> the Meteoritical Society. There have been a few documented falls that
>> have not been approved yet (Zunhua and Cartersville), so these falls
>> will not be included in this analysis..."
>>
>> I wrote the above introductory paragraph nearly 6 years ago (early
>> 2010) when I did my first analysis of recent meteorite fall
>> statistics. More than 5 years later, we have had 40 more
>> officially-recognized falls. In that same span of time, we have also
>> had Breja, Addison, Oslo, Mahbse Aarraid, and the recent White
>> Mountains fall that are well documented falls that have not been
>> approved or published in the Met Bull.  A quick look at the overall
>> numbers shows a very slight increase in the number of approved falls
>> in the last 6 years compared to the previous 9.5 years. This is likely
>> due, in part, to increased awareness of meteorites and increased
>> recovery rates.
>>
>> Also, it seems that NonCom has been moving a bit faster to approve new
>> falls and publish them in the Met Bull. Taking all of these recent
>> falls into account, we have now had 98 official falls since the year
>> 2000. If one chooses to include the recent unofficial falls which will
>> likely be approved in the near future, then we have had over 100
>> meteorite falls in the 21st century.
>>
>> So, in the first 16 years (2000-2016) of this century, we have
>> averaged just over 6 approved falls per year.  This represents an
>> uptick in the average number of approved falls compared to the
>> previous period of 2000-2010 where the average was 5. This is not so
>> clear cut though, because a couple of older falls were approved in the
>> years since, including Zunhua (as it was known in 2010), which was
>> approved in late 2015 as Xinglongquan. For tidy conversational
>> purposes, it's safe to say that we expect about 5 to 6 new approved
>> falls each year. A number of 5 per year being more conservative and
>> closer to 6 if you take into account that some falls are not recovered
>> or approved until a year or more after the date of their fall.
>>
>> Now let's take a look at the numbers and have some fun with them :
>> Which petrologic type do you think was the most common type recovered
>> during 

Re: [meteorite-list] Article : 21st Century Meteorite Falls, Part Two

[finbarr connolly via Meteorite-list]

I find the relatively static number of falls very surprising, considering
the proliferation of cameras compared to earlier times. Still waiting for
our first British Isles fall of the 21st century!

Finbarr.

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 9:46 PM, Carl Agee via Meteorite-list <
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:

> Always an interesting topic!
>
> A couple of things come to mind:
>
> Morocco has 8 falls in the 21st century, which you suggest has to do
> with the meteorite-savvy population and desert terrain. California has
> a very similar area and population density -- also a west facing coast
> line, a fair amount of desert, and a mountain range. How many 21st
> century falls in CA?
>
> We are over-due for a lunar falls! There are now 265 classified lunars
> -- all of them finds. Compare that with 5 martian falls and 177
> classified finds, or for example mesosiderites with 6 falls and 261
> classified finds. Aubrites have 9 falls and 63 finds.
>
> Brachinites have no falls (40 finds), any others?
>
> Carl
>
>
> *
> Carl B. Agee
> Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics
> Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences
> MSC03 2050
> University of New Mexico
> Albuquerque NM 87131-1126
>
> Tel: (505) 750-7172
> Fax: (505) 277-3577
> Email: a...@unm.edu
> http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/
> http://compres.us/about-us/compres-president
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 1:57 PM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks via
> Meteorite-list  wrote:
> > "...In the first 10 years of the 21st Century, we have seen 58 new
> > meteorite falls (as of this writing). As we close out the first decade
> > of this new century, let us examine some of the facts and numbers
> > surrounding these recent falls. For the purposes of this article, we
> > will only examine those falls which have been officially recognized by
> > the Meteoritical Society. There have been a few documented falls that
> > have not been approved yet (Zunhua and Cartersville), so these falls
> > will not be included in this analysis..."
> >
> > I wrote the above introductory paragraph nearly 6 years ago (early
> > 2010) when I did my first analysis of recent meteorite fall
> > statistics. More than 5 years later, we have had 40 more
> > officially-recognized falls. In that same span of time, we have also
> > had Breja, Addison, Oslo, Mahbse Aarraid, and the recent White
> > Mountains fall that are well documented falls that have not been
> > approved or published in the Met Bull.  A quick look at the overall
> > numbers shows a very slight increase in the number of approved falls
> > in the last 6 years compared to the previous 9.5 years. This is likely
> > due, in part, to increased awareness of meteorites and increased
> > recovery rates.
> >
> > Also, it seems that NonCom has been moving a bit faster to approve new
> > falls and publish them in the Met Bull. Taking all of these recent
> > falls into account, we have now had 98 official falls since the year
> > 2000. If one chooses to include the recent unofficial falls which will
> > likely be approved in the near future, then we have had over 100
> > meteorite falls in the 21st century.
> >
> > So, in the first 16 years (2000-2016) of this century, we have
> > averaged just over 6 approved falls per year.  This represents an
> > uptick in the average number of approved falls compared to the
> > previous period of 2000-2010 where the average was 5. This is not so
> > clear cut though, because a couple of older falls were approved in the
> > years since, including Zunhua (as it was known in 2010), which was
> > approved in late 2015 as Xinglongquan. For tidy conversational
> > purposes, it's safe to say that we expect about 5 to 6 new approved
> > falls each year. A number of 5 per year being more conservative and
> > closer to 6 if you take into account that some falls are not recovered
> > or approved until a year or more after the date of their fall.
> >
> > Now let's take a look at the numbers and have some fun with them :
> > Which petrologic type do you think was the most common type recovered
> > during the first 16 years of this century?
> >
> > Well, it's safe to say that it is an ordinary chondrite. No surprises
> there.
> >
> > More specifically, we have a tie between L6 and H5 chondrites at 23 each.
> >
> > Anyone want to guess what the third most common type is?
> > The third most common is the L5 chondrite with 10 approvals.
> > Well, surely the fourth most common is probably an H chondrite, right?
> Wrong.
> >
> > The fourth most common type is the eucrites with 7.
> >
> > Wait, that seems like too many Vestans! How can eucrite be in the top
> > 4 common types? The answer is simple, it's because we are playing
> > semantics with petrologic grades here.
> >
> > There have been 23 L6 chondrites, 23 H5 chondrites, 10 L5 chondrites,
> > and 7 eucrites. But, there are many subtypes of H and L chondrites
> > that are 

Re: [meteorite-list] Article : 21st Century Meteorite Falls, Part Two

[Carl Agee via Meteorite-list]

Always an interesting topic!

A couple of things come to mind:

Morocco has 8 falls in the 21st century, which you suggest has to do
with the meteorite-savvy population and desert terrain. California has
a very similar area and population density -- also a west facing coast
line, a fair amount of desert, and a mountain range. How many 21st
century falls in CA?

We are over-due for a lunar falls! There are now 265 classified lunars
-- all of them finds. Compare that with 5 martian falls and 177
classified finds, or for example mesosiderites with 6 falls and 261
classified finds. Aubrites have 9 falls and 63 finds.

Brachinites have no falls (40 finds), any others?

Carl


*
Carl B. Agee
Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics
Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences
MSC03 2050
University of New Mexico
Albuquerque NM 87131-1126

Tel: (505) 750-7172
Fax: (505) 277-3577
Email: a...@unm.edu
http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/
http://compres.us/about-us/compres-president



On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 1:57 PM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks via
Meteorite-list  wrote:
> "...In the first 10 years of the 21st Century, we have seen 58 new
> meteorite falls (as of this writing). As we close out the first decade
> of this new century, let us examine some of the facts and numbers
> surrounding these recent falls. For the purposes of this article, we
> will only examine those falls which have been officially recognized by
> the Meteoritical Society. There have been a few documented falls that
> have not been approved yet (Zunhua and Cartersville), so these falls
> will not be included in this analysis..."
>
> I wrote the above introductory paragraph nearly 6 years ago (early
> 2010) when I did my first analysis of recent meteorite fall
> statistics. More than 5 years later, we have had 40 more
> officially-recognized falls. In that same span of time, we have also
> had Breja, Addison, Oslo, Mahbse Aarraid, and the recent White
> Mountains fall that are well documented falls that have not been
> approved or published in the Met Bull.  A quick look at the overall
> numbers shows a very slight increase in the number of approved falls
> in the last 6 years compared to the previous 9.5 years. This is likely
> due, in part, to increased awareness of meteorites and increased
> recovery rates.
>
> Also, it seems that NonCom has been moving a bit faster to approve new
> falls and publish them in the Met Bull. Taking all of these recent
> falls into account, we have now had 98 official falls since the year
> 2000. If one chooses to include the recent unofficial falls which will
> likely be approved in the near future, then we have had over 100
> meteorite falls in the 21st century.
>
> So, in the first 16 years (2000-2016) of this century, we have
> averaged just over 6 approved falls per year.  This represents an
> uptick in the average number of approved falls compared to the
> previous period of 2000-2010 where the average was 5. This is not so
> clear cut though, because a couple of older falls were approved in the
> years since, including Zunhua (as it was known in 2010), which was
> approved in late 2015 as Xinglongquan. For tidy conversational
> purposes, it's safe to say that we expect about 5 to 6 new approved
> falls each year. A number of 5 per year being more conservative and
> closer to 6 if you take into account that some falls are not recovered
> or approved until a year or more after the date of their fall.
>
> Now let's take a look at the numbers and have some fun with them :
> Which petrologic type do you think was the most common type recovered
> during the first 16 years of this century?
>
> Well, it's safe to say that it is an ordinary chondrite. No surprises there.
>
> More specifically, we have a tie between L6 and H5 chondrites at 23 each.
>
> Anyone want to guess what the third most common type is?
> The third most common is the L5 chondrite with 10 approvals.
> Well, surely the fourth most common is probably an H chondrite, right? Wrong.
>
> The fourth most common type is the eucrites with 7.
>
> Wait, that seems like too many Vestans! How can eucrite be in the top
> 4 common types? The answer is simple, it's because we are playing
> semantics with petrologic grades here.
>
> There have been 23 L6 chondrites, 23 H5 chondrites, 10 L5 chondrites,
> and 7 eucrites. But, there are many subtypes of H and L chondrites
> that are approved by NonCom, compared to the much smaller clan of
> eucrites. In total, there were 42 L chondrites and 40 H chondrites of
> various petrologic grades (L3, L4, L5, L6, etc) compared to just 7
> eucrites. Throw in the 10 LL chondrites that were approved and the
> numbers become more lopsided in favor of ordinary chondrites over
> eucrites - 92 to 7.
>
> After the ordinary chondrites and eucrites, the most numerous of
> meteorites recovered from 2000 to 2016 were carbonaceous chondrites
> followed by a