Re: [meteorite-list] Beauty and the Beast, Tulia (a) +/- Dimmitt
Hello Geoff, Mark, and all, I also discussed this topic with Art and thought I'd add a bit more to the story. Apparently on the initial Dimmitt stones that Oscar Monnig labeled, the two letters represented the initials of the person that he acquired the stone from. Obviously with so many Dimmitt stones coming in, this system soon became unworkable. He then went to an increasing letter system for the stones as they were acquired: A, B,C...Z, AA, ABAZ, BA, BBBZ...etc. I know that this system was also used for other meteorites as I have a Kendleton individual with both an early Monnig number and a Huss number. Cheers, Frank Dimmitt stone #M138.201; #12KI Kendleton stone #M32.25; #32T --- Notkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark posted: One is a fragment individual with a Nininger number and a second collection number. Could someone identify the second collection number for me? I've seen like collection numbers before. http://www.meteoritearticles.com/coldimmitt.html Dear Mark and List: I had the pleasure of discussing this matter in detail with our friend and colleague Dr. Art Ehlmann, curator of the Monnig Meteorite Gallery. As Mark already knows, Art and Oscar Monnig were longtime friends, and Art has been caring for (and expanding) the Monnig collection for many years. The Monnig Meteorite Gallery is located in Fort Worth, TX. I heartily recommend a visit to this excellent museum: http://www.monnigmuseum.tcu.edu Mark, regarding your specimen: You are very knowledgeable as it regards historic specimens, but if I may contradict you in a friendly manner, the top number M138.102 is actually a Monnig (Huss) Collection number, not a Nininger number. 138 was Glenn Huss' designation for Dimmitt, Texas specimens from the Monnig collection. Glen Huss and Margaret Nininger Huss cataloged the Monnig collection and painted those numbers onto the specimens. The lower number 12AV is a true original Oscar Monnig number, which predates the later Huss catalog. It is my understanding that the 12AV number was painted on by Oscar himself. As such, your specimen has a double Huss and Monnig provenance and is a fine and extremely collectible historic specimen. Congrats. For those who are interested in collection numbers and historic American meteorites, please see photos of comparable Monnig specimens (Dimmitt and Tulia) here: http://www.aerolite.org/historic-meteorites.htm Sincerely, Geoff N. www.aerolite.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Beauty and the Beast, Tulia (a) +/- Dimmitt
Hi List, Dimmitt is very interesting in that all kinds of strange inclusions have been found in it according to my online research. Here is the official Meteoritical Bulletin entry http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?code=7645 I call it an H3.7 since that is what it is officially cataloged as. Kindest Regards, Adam __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Beauty and the Beast, Tulia (a) +/- Dimmitt
Mark posted: One is a fragment individual with a Nininger number and a second collection number. Could someone identify the second collection number for me? I've seen like collection numbers before. http://www.meteoritearticles.com/coldimmitt.html Dear Mark and List: I had the pleasure of discussing this matter in detail with our friend and colleague Dr. Art Ehlmann, curator of the Monnig Meteorite Gallery. As Mark already knows, Art and Oscar Monnig were longtime friends, and Art has been caring for (and expanding) the Monnig collection for many years. The Monnig Meteorite Gallery is located in Fort Worth, TX. I heartily recommend a visit to this excellent museum: http://www.monnigmuseum.tcu.edu Mark, regarding your specimen: You are very knowledgeable as it regards historic specimens, but if I may contradict you in a friendly manner, the top number M138.102 is actually a Monnig (Huss) Collection number, not a Nininger number. 138 was Glenn Huss' designation for Dimmitt, Texas specimens from the Monnig collection. Glen Huss and Margaret Nininger Huss cataloged the Monnig collection and painted those numbers onto the specimens. The lower number 12AV is a true original Oscar Monnig number, which predates the later Huss catalog. It is my understanding that the 12AV number was painted on by Oscar himself. As such, your specimen has a double Huss and Monnig provenance and is a fine and extremely collectible historic specimen. Congrats. For those who are interested in collection numbers and historic American meteorites, please see photos of comparable Monnig specimens (Dimmitt and Tulia) here: http://www.aerolite.org/historic-meteorites.htm Sincerely, Geoff N. www.aerolite.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Beauty and the Beast, Tulia (a) +/- Dimmitt
As such, your specimen has a double Huss and Monnig provenance and is a fine and extremely collectible historic specimen. Thanks for your note Geoff. I have wondered about those blackened numbers for a while now. I meant Monnig rather then Nininger, but I did write Nininger on the second numbered specimen meaning to, and looking at it again, it is not a Nininger (American Meteorite Laboratory) specimen, but rather a Huss (American Meteorite Laboratory) specimen. Another side note: Dr. Elhman once mentioned to me once that Monnig continued to purchase the Dimmitt stones from the finders because he was afraid that if he turned down one stone, that word would get around he was no longer buying meteorites. I join Geoff in recommending a visit to the Monnig Gallery. I have been to just about every large meteorite display in the United States (and a couple outside) and I think the Monnig Gallery has one of the better displays and collections. Monnig would be proud. While Geoff didn't try to take any credit in his e-mail, the website features some photographs by Geoff that are well worth your time. http://www.monnigmuseum.tcu.edu Clear Skies, Mark __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Beauty and the Beast, Tulia (a) +/- Dimmitt
Hello Mark and List, It's been several years since I talked with Blaine about this subject, but there are several people who believe that there are several of the Texas stones that actually pair. Considering the era that most of them were classified, it seems quite possible that some errors were made. Best, John Gwilliam At 12:09 AM 11/16/2006, MARK BOSTICK wrote: Re: Dimmitt Another plentiful meteorite find from Castro County, Texas is Tulia (a). Tulia (a) is officially classified as an H3-4 stone chondrite. However there appears to have been a mix-up during classificatiopn with a specimen of Dimmitt, and Tulia (a) is believed by most, myself included, to be an H5 stone chondrite, and Dimmitt, the H3-4. While H3.7 sounds better us collectors, we should likely use H3-4which in my personal opinion...does not carry the value of a true H3.7. Clear Skies, Mark Bostick Wichita, Kansas www.meteoritearticles.com www.kansasmeteorites.com www.imca.cc __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Beauty and the Beast, Tulia (a) +/- Dimmitt
More on Dimmitt I have a few pieces of Dimmitt. One is a fragment individual with a Nininger number and a second collection number. Could someone identify the second collection number for me? I've seen like collection numbers before. http://www.meteoritearticles.com/coldimmitt.html Also shown is a slice with the H3.7 matrix...and a Nininger #'d slice. Clear Skies, Mark __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Beauty and the Beast, Tulia (a) +/- Dimmitt
Sorry for the multiple e-mails Breccia, contains H5 and LL-group clasts, A.E. Rubin et al. (1981). Or perhaps...or H3.7-5/LL? Maybe H3.7-5/LL5? How about H/LL3.7-5? What do other list members think? Maybe if Rubin is reading this (?) he could suggest a correct classiciation. Now, trying to figure the TKW from the Tulias and the Dimmittsthat's another story. Mark __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
