Re: [meteorite-list] Space junk re-entry just misses Chilean jet liner
So far, I've heard nothing to make me think that anything from space, natural or otherwise, came within a few kilometers of this plane. Is there anything to support this other than the report of the pilot? I've found that pilots, in general, provide some of the worst quality meteor reports. I'm doubtful that many pilots are capable of judging the distance to a meteor. Odds are, this thing actually burned up many kilometers above the plane. Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: Kevin Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 2:25 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Space junk re-entry just misses Chilean jet liner Burning space junk falls near passenger plane NZPA | Wednesday, 28 March 2007 The Civil Aviation Authority will investigate how falling space junk came within kilometres of a passenger flight into Auckland today. The pilot of the Chilean plane saw the burning debris both in front and behind the aircraft while flying across the Pacific before landing safely at Auckland International Airport, One News reported tonight. Russian authorities had warned an obsolete satellite was expected to fall in the area, but it happened 12 hours early. A CAA spokesman said details had not yet been passed on to the authority, but a safety investigation would be launched once a report on the incident was received. -- Kevin. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Space junk re-entry just misses Chilean jet liner
--- Chris Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Odds are, this thing actually burned up many kilometers above the plane. Chris The pilot also claims to have herd a loud noise which means it must have been pretty close to hear that above the sound of the plane. Also he saw pieces in front of and behind him so he was probably actually inside the debris field. Apparantly the aviation officials (CAA) in New Zealand was informed by the russians about the space debris dumping which is a relitively common occurance here apparantly but the debris entered the atmosphere 12 hours early for some reason and planes were in the area. An aerolinas argentinas flight was also entering the area (From the opposite direction) and was warned of the unexpected re-entry but the pilot decided to continue their flight and they didnt witness anything. The flight was inside auckland internationals control zone but still over the pacific ocean (From what I understand from local news here) so the debris fell in the ocean so no search and recovery effort is possible. Cheers DEAN Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Space junk re-entry just misses Chilean jet liner
--- Chris Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Odds are, this thing actually burned up many kilometers above the plane. Chris The pilot also claims to have herd a loud noise which means it must have been pretty close to hear that above the sound of the plane. Also he saw pieces in front of and behind him so he was probably actually inside the debris field. Apparantly the aviation officials (CAA) in New Zealand was informed by the russians about the space debris dumping which is a relitively common occurance here apparantly but the debris entered the atmosphere 12 hours early for some reason and planes were in the area. An aerolinas argentinas flight was also entering the area (From the opposite direction) and was warned of the unexpected re-entry but the pilot decided to continue their flight and they didnt witness anything. The flight was inside auckland internationals control zone but still over the pacific ocean (From what I understand from local news here) so the debris fell in the ocean so no search and recovery effort is possible. Cheers DEAN Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Space junk re-entry just misses Chilean jet liner
Courious as to how he saw the debris BEHIND his aircraft.. didn't know that they had a rear view mirror on those birds Richard Rumble -Original Message- From: Kevin Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mar 29, 2007 1:25 PM To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Space junk re-entry just misses Chilean jet liner Burning space junk falls near passenger plane NZPA | Wednesday, 28 March 2007 The Civil Aviation Authority will investigate how falling space junk came within kilometres of a passenger flight into Auckland today. The pilot of the Chilean plane saw the burning debris both in front and behind the aircraft while flying across the Pacific before landing safely at Auckland International Airport, One News reported tonight. Russian authorities had warned an obsolete satellite was expected to fall in the area, but it happened 12 hours early. A CAA spokesman said details had not yet been passed on to the authority, but a safety investigation would be launched once a report on the incident was received. -- Kevin. _ Advertisement: Want FREE talk text to 5 Telstra numbers? Find out how http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fadsfac%2Enet%2Flink%2Easp%3Fcc%3DTEL243%2E40035%2E0%26clk%3D1%26creativeID%3D56076_t=761565722_r=Hotmail_email_tagline_1March07_m=EXT __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Space junk re-entry just misses Chilean jet liner
One has to just love Harvey Nininger. A man very much ahead of his time. Though there are more aircraft in the air today, and they fly at higher altitudes than in Nininger's time, there are also many more automobiles these days. Best! --AL Nininger Moment #17 - Air Pilots and Meteor Hazards During Nininger's time a number of airpilots reported having to take evasive steps to prevent collisions with falling meteors. One such newspaper reported an startling account of how a resourceful pilot battled a shower of meteors by making a serious of dips and swerves to avoid the incoming falling meteors saving himself, his eleven passengers, as well as the aircraft. One other pilot was said to have dipped his right wing to avoid a similar collision of a meteor which happened in Nebraska. Yet another pilot near Cheyenne Wyoming said he narrowly escaped injury when en-countering one of those pestiferous fiery projectiles which threaten to side swipe him from the left. He ducked, however and the missile sailed by, leaving him unharmed. From the Standpoint of Nininger who had been studying meteoritic events and falls and spending much time at it, he considered the reports humorous at best. Nininger reasoned that there were about two thousand times more automobiles on the ground than airplanes in the air. Meteors reaching the lower atmosphere where these pilots saw these events would certainly reach the ground also, yet at that time no recorded automobile had been struck. A highly reported case happening in Crawfordville, Indiana had been discredited by scientists who investigated the matter. Nininger stated that you would expect one thousand automobile impacts for every one aircraft strike. The stories were even really more incredible for another reason. Astronomers know that the fall of a meteor is an event most often seen in the higher atmosphere. Only two exceptions were noted where a meteor came closer to the ground than 4 miles. The vast majority of them extinguishing before they come within ten miles of the ground. Nininger stated that in other words, the meteor, or the light resulting from a meteorite's [meteoroids] encounter with the Earth's atmosphere is limited to the region of the stratosphere, far above any height ever reach by airplanes of that day in ordinary flying. Nininger knew of the fall of those cited above and concluded that the second pilot who thought he saw the meteor below him, plotted the meteor height at the burnout point at about 17 miles high, above the northeastern New Mexico soil. The second pilot who saw the same meteor fall was slightly more than a hundred miles from it at its nearest approach. The pilot over Nebraska that dipped his wing to avoid collision was 68 miles south of the line over which the dreaded missile was speeding at an elevation of approximately 20 miles. Nininger concluded that pilots are no less reliable in such matters than are ground observers, but the fact is that no one is able to judge the distance from him of a bright, dazzling light. He concluded that pilots apparently share the ignorance of the general public as the to the behavior of meteorites. Nininger stated that hundreds of other examples could be cited similar to the high school super- intending who told him exactly where a meteorite had landed in the neighboring field. From where he stood he was confident and pointed out the fall location. Fortunately, he knew the hour and minute of the fall and gave an eloquent description of the phenomenon, which sounded familiar to Nininger, as the story had been told by observers from all the way where they stood to where the meteorite had landed some 350 miles away It is absolutely impossible for any single observer to judge the distance of a meteor. It's location can be determine only by a crossline survey. To this, pilots might contribute considerable information if they would take account of their exact location upon sighting and determine with their instruments the exact direction and altitude of the point where the meteor vanishes. Also recording the angle of decent would prove helpful. A pilots observation using these methods would be more than helpful than a person on the ground without any instruments to record what they see. Nininger also stated that at that time no report from an airpilot had ever been used to calculate the fall of a meteorite. He believed however that with his methods being noted that such reports could be very valuable. The Nininger Moments are articles or books written originally by Harvey Nininger and put into a consolidated form by Al Mitterling. Some of the items written in the moments might be old out dated material and the reader is advised to keep this in mind. --AL Mitterling Chris Peterson wrote: So far, I've heard nothing to make me think that anything from space, natural or otherwise, came within a few kilometers of this plane. Is
