+cc: Mark Birbeck
On 24/1/09 17:04, Manu Sporny wrote:
Mark Birbeck (the lead technical mind behind RDFa) has written an
interesting piece about HTML5, Microformats and RDFa. In the piece, he
explores distributed semantics extension (RDFa/XHTML2) vs. centralized
semantics extension (uF/HTML5). It's an interesting post because it
outlines the two philosophies at play and how they're affecting the
next-generation of web semantics.
http://webbackplane.com/mark-birbeck/blog/2009/01/rdfa-means-extensibility
No surprises in his conclusion (he thinks RDFa is the way forward)...
worth a read, even for the die-hard uFers, as several interesting points
are made along the way.
While there is some some interesting history in there, and plenty of
design observations that I agree with, it's not a very helpful post, in
terms of communication between diverse communities.
The WHATWG for example are pursuing a much more monolithic approach
with HTML5; they see no need for extension points, since the language
itself will cover everything.
The Microformats approach is also counter to the idea of 'extension
points' that are open to anyone, since it, too, attempts to centrally
control the creation of new formats, stifling the evolution of new
vocabularies by specialists within their sectors.
I fail to see how presenting microformat and HTML5 enthusiasts as
control freaks is going to help anything. I know from talking with
various developers from the WHATWG and Microformats scene that they
simply don't see things this way.
I can see why Mark might think this, but it's an needlessly provocative
way of phrasing things. HTMLVery binary, them-and-us thinking, at a time
when many RDF people are also working with microformat parsers, and
many microformat people are also busy with RDFa, SPARQL, GRDDL and so
on. It's also in a week when http://validator.nu/ acquired an
experimental HTML5+RDFa parser for a no-namespaces/CURIEs subset of
RDFa. While this might not be what everyone wants, that's the nature of
compromise and collaboration. What we need right now is a sincere effort
from all parties to understand and respect those they're arguing with,
rather than picking fights and suggesting the worst motives lie behind
every action.
Mark, can you try to be a teeny bit more empathy-minded when writing
about other communities' work? RDFa is good enough to stand on its
strengths.
cheers,
Dan
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http://danbri.org/
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