[Micronet] UPDATED CHARTER comment period ending Friday

[Vivian Sophia]

Aron and everyone,

As Ian said, Micronet IS an organization for campus IT professionals. Let's
not change that. Let's not put that up for a vote. Let's not change the
character of Micronet because of trying to make the charter be reflective
of everyone's ideas.

Other people are welcome to join. The wording can reflect the fact that
others are also welcome.

At heart, it is an organization FOR people whose job is IT. That is the
core of Micronet.

When I volunteered to be the coordinator, I volunteered to be the
coordinator of an organization that is for IT professionals. I will step
down if it is turning into something else.

I appreciate all the comments that have been made so far. All comments will
be taken into account when the final charter language is submitted.

And editing by committee has never been an effective way to come up with
the best language for anything, and is not the intention for this comments
period. The intention is to hear all concerns with the language as
presented.

We have seen that one of the concerns was the ambiguity in "voluntary
professional" and one of the concerns was that people want to be sure
others beside UCB IT professionals can be included.

Are there any other concerns?


Vivian Sophia
Berkeley IT (CSS)
Business/Tech Support Analyst
University of California, Berkeley
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Re: [Micronet] UPDATED CHARTER comment period ending Friday

[Ian Crew]

> On Feb 3, 2015, at 5:41 PM, w...@wfkplaw.com wrote:
> 
> professional" can mean different things

Personally, I think it’s pretty clear, at least in this case: “professional” 
means “makes one’s living doing."

Ian

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Re: [Micronet] UPDATED CHARTER comment period ending Friday

[walt]

Thoughts:

I tend to favor simplicity.  Based on how the message reads (not on whether 
it's technically correct), No. 2 seems to flow nicely. 

The word "professional" can mean different things.  Does a professional have to 
be paid by the organization, like a pro football player?  Is the term limited 
to the learned professions? (Probably not, today, but what else is included?)  
I usually shy away from ambiguous words.  Unless I don't want to be pinned 
down. Which, sometimes, is a good reason to use such a word.

-Walt Pyle

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And to riff a bit on Richard's proposed alternative, here, with its
admirable streamlining that also still captures Rune's point about broader
inclusiveness ...

1. "Micronet is an organization of volunteers who are involved with, or
have interest in, the support of computing services at the University of
California, Berkeley campus."

... yet two more possibilities, substituting "voluntary organization" for
"organization of volunteers," and "an interest in" for "interest in":

2. "Micronet is a voluntary organization for those who are involved with,
or have an interest in, the support of computing services at the University
of California, Berkeley campus."

or, substituting "people" for "those":

3. "Micronet is a voluntary organization for people who are involved with,
or have an interest in, the support of computing services at the University
of California, Berkeley campus."

Or, substituting "are interested in" for "have an interest in":

4. "Micronet is a voluntary organization for people who are involved with,
or are interested in, the support of computing services at the University
of California, Berkeley campus."

As for "voluntary organization," see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voluntary_association.

And as for the addition of "an" to form "an interest in," see
http://ell.stackexchange.com/questions/47494/which-one-is-correct-sentence-between-i-have-interest-in-which-is-and-i-have
("interest" as a noun) and
http://forum.wordreference.com/showthread.php?t=2404820&s=6648930bf0d6588af7253d9a33a63e34&p=12095099#post12095099
(with "interest" implying potential benefit, going beyond - although still
encompassing - mere interest).

I'm personally fine with either Richard's suggestion to discard
"professional" from "voluntary professional organization," or with Vivian's
to retain it, in the following form or otherwise:

5. "Micronet is a voluntary organization for professionals of the University
of California, Berkeley campus and others who are involved with, or have
interests in, that campus's support for computing services."

Others' thoughts about "professional," in particular, as well on any of the
alternatives above?

Aron


On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 2:55 PM, Aron Roberts 
wrote:

> And to riff a bit on Richard's proposed alternative, here, with its
> admirable streamlining that also still captures Rune's point about broader
> inclusiveness ...
>
> "Micronet is an organization of volunteers who are involved with, or have
> interest in, the support of computing services at the University of
> California, Berkeley campus."
>
> ... yet one more possibility:
>
> "Micronet is a voluntary organization for those who are involved with, or
> have an interest in, the support of computing services at the University
> of California, Berkeley campus."
>
> (As for "voluntary organization," see
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voluntary_association. And as for the
> addition of "an" in "an interest in," see
> http://ell.stackexchange.com/questions/47494/which-one-is-correct-sentence-between-i-have-interest-in-which-is-and-i-have
> ("interest" as a noun) and
> http://forum.wordre

Re: [Micronet] UPDATED CHARTER comment period ending Friday

[Vivian Sophia]

Thanks, Ian, me too!



Vivian Sophia
Berkeley IT (CSS)
Business/Tech Support Analyst
University of California, Berkeley
310B Durant Hall
(510) 541-6120


On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 5:15 PM, Ian Crew  wrote:

> I’ve always thought of Micronet as the group on campus for folks whose day
> job is IT, so leaving out “professional” seems like an odd omission to me.
> To me, Micronet isn’t just a place to come an hang out if you’re a bit
> interested in IT, but rather the place to come if you’re an IT pro on
> campus, looking for mutual support from other folks facing similar
> challenges.
>
> My 2 cents, at least.
>
> Ian
>
> On Feb 3, 2015, at 5:01 PM, Vivian Sophia 
> wrote:
>
> If we say that the organization is "for" professionals and others who are
> involved with, etc.
>
> that doesn't leave out anybody who would like to be included. And it's not
> exactly the same as a "professional organization".
>
> But to respond to your question, what we all agreed on at the meeting, I
> think, is that we want to be inclusive and independent.
>
> I believe we also all agree that Micronet is about IT.
>
> It's okay with me if we don't specify anything about who can join, since
> it is open to all. Something like:
>
> Micronet is an organization for people who are involved with, or have
> interests in, computing services at the University of California,
> Berkeley campus.
>
>
> Vivian Sophia
> Berkeley IT (CSS)
> Business/Tech Support Analyst
> University of California, Berkeley
> 310B Durant Hall
> (510) 541-6120
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Richard DESHONG 
> wrote:
>
>> I definitely get the allure of "professional".  It sounds so much better
>> than the opposite. ;)
>>
>> We here in the ASC have recently been unintentionally slighted by a
>> response to a report that seemed to imply that what we do is
>> un-professional.  So I am a bit critical of the word at the moment.  If we
>> describe the organization as "professional", then does that mean that if IT
>> is just your hobby, then don't bother joining?  And "professional
>> organization" sounds a bit like the Geek Squad - even though we're
>> volunteers, we are all waiting for the call so we can go out and fix your
>> problem.
>>
>> The question then is, what kind of an organization is it?  I know you
>> just had a meeting where that was on the agenda.  I intended to attend, but
>> circumstances changed.  So please forgive, if this has already been
>> discussed.
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Micronet] UPDATED CHARTER comment period ending Friday

[Ian Crew]

I’ve always thought of Micronet as the group on campus for folks whose day job 
is IT, so leaving out “professional” seems like an odd omission to me.  To me, 
Micronet isn’t just a place to come an hang out if you’re a bit interested in 
IT, but rather the place to come if you’re an IT pro on campus, looking for 
mutual support from other folks facing similar challenges.

My 2 cents, at least.

Ian

> On Feb 3, 2015, at 5:01 PM, Vivian Sophia  wrote:
> 
> If we say that the organization is "for" professionals and others who are 
> involved with, etc.
> 
> that doesn't leave out anybody who would like to be included. And it's not 
> exactly the same as a "professional organization".
> 
> But to respond to your question, what we all agreed on at the meeting, I 
> think, is that we want to be inclusive and independent.
> 
> I believe we also all agree that Micronet is about IT.
> 
> It's okay with me if we don't specify anything about who can join, since it 
> is open to all. Something like:
> 
> Micronet is an organization for people who are involved with, or have 
> interests in, computing services at the University of California, Berkeley 
> campus.
> 
> 
> Vivian Sophia
> Berkeley IT (CSS)
> Business/Tech Support Analyst
> University of California, Berkeley
> 310B Durant Hall
> (510) 541-6120 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Richard DESHONG  > wrote:
> I definitely get the allure of "professional".  It sounds so much better than 
> the opposite. ;)
> 
> We here in the ASC have recently been unintentionally slighted by a response 
> to a report that seemed to imply that what we do is un-professional.  So I am 
> a bit critical of the word at the moment.  If we describe the organization as 
> "professional", then does that mean that if IT is just your hobby, then don't 
> bother joining?  And "professional organization" sounds a bit like the Geek 
> Squad - even though we're volunteers, we are all waiting for the call so we 
> can go out and fix your problem.
> 
> The question then is, what kind of an organization is it?  I know you just 
> had a meeting where that was on the agenda.  I intended to attend, but 
> circumstances changed.  So please forgive, if this has already been discussed.
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Micronet] UPDATED CHARTER comment period ending Friday

[Richard DESHONG]

+1  (I like it).

On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 5:01 PM, Vivian Sophia 
wrote:

> If we say that the organization is "for" professionals and others who are
> involved with, etc.
>
> that doesn't leave out anybody who would like to be included. And it's not
> exactly the same as a "professional organization".
>
> But to respond to your question, what we all agreed on at the meeting, I
> think, is that we want to be inclusive and independent.
>
> I believe we also all agree that Micronet is about IT.
>
> It's okay with me if we don't specify anything about who can join, since
> it is open to all. Something like:
>
> Micronet is an organization for people who are involved with, or have
> interests in, computing services at the University of California,
> Berkeley campus.
>
>
> Vivian Sophia
> Berkeley IT (CSS)
> Business/Tech Support Analyst
> University of California, Berkeley
> 310B Durant Hall
> (510) 541-6120
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Richard DESHONG 
> wrote:
>
>> I definitely get the allure of "professional".  It sounds so much better
>> than the opposite. ;)
>>
>> We here in the ASC have recently been unintentionally slighted by a
>> response to a report that seemed to imply that what we do is
>> un-professional.  So I am a bit critical of the word at the moment.  If we
>> describe the organization as "professional", then does that mean that if IT
>> is just your hobby, then don't bother joining?  And "professional
>> organization" sounds a bit like the Geek Squad - even though we're
>> volunteers, we are all waiting for the call so we can go out and fix your
>> problem.
>>
>> The question then is, what kind of an organization is it?  I know you
>> just had a meeting where that was on the agenda.  I intended to attend, but
>> circumstances changed.  So please forgive, if this has already been
>> discussed.
>>
>>
>>
>
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Re: [Micronet] UPDATED CHARTER comment period ending Friday

[Vivian Sophia]

If we say that the organization is "for" professionals and others who are
involved with, etc.

that doesn't leave out anybody who would like to be included. And it's not
exactly the same as a "professional organization".

But to respond to your question, what we all agreed on at the meeting, I
think, is that we want to be inclusive and independent.

I believe we also all agree that Micronet is about IT.

It's okay with me if we don't specify anything about who can join, since it
is open to all. Something like:

Micronet is an organization for people who are involved with, or have
interests in, computing services at the University of California, Berkeley
campus.


Vivian Sophia
Berkeley IT (CSS)
Business/Tech Support Analyst
University of California, Berkeley
310B Durant Hall
(510) 541-6120


On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Richard DESHONG 
wrote:

> I definitely get the allure of "professional".  It sounds so much better
> than the opposite. ;)
>
> We here in the ASC have recently been unintentionally slighted by a
> response to a report that seemed to imply that what we do is
> un-professional.  So I am a bit critical of the word at the moment.  If we
> describe the organization as "professional", then does that mean that if IT
> is just your hobby, then don't bother joining?  And "professional
> organization" sounds a bit like the Geek Squad - even though we're
> volunteers, we are all waiting for the call so we can go out and fix your
> problem.
>
> The question then is, what kind of an organization is it?  I know you just
> had a meeting where that was on the agenda.  I intended to attend, but
> circumstances changed.  So please forgive, if this has already been
> discussed.
>
>
>
 
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Re: [Micronet] UPDATED CHARTER comment period ending Friday

[Richard DESHONG]

I definitely get the allure of "professional".  It sounds so much better
than the opposite. ;)

We here in the ASC have recently been unintentionally slighted by a
response to a report that seemed to imply that what we do is
un-professional.  So I am a bit critical of the word at the moment.  If we
describe the organization as "professional", then does that mean that if IT
is just your hobby, then don't bother joining?  And "professional
organization" sounds a bit like the Geek Squad - even though we're
volunteers, we are all waiting for the call so we can go out and fix your
problem.

The question then is, what kind of an organization is it?  I know you just
had a meeting where that was on the agenda.  I intended to attend, but
circumstances changed.  So please forgive, if this has already been
discussed.







On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Vivian Sophia 
wrote:

> Richard,
>
> I would prefer not to remove the idea that it is a professional
> organization. How about:
>
> Micronet is a voluntary organization for professionals of the University
> of California, Berkeley campus and others who are involved with, or have
> interests in, that campus's support for computing services.
>
>
>
>
> Vivian Sophia
> Berkeley IT (CSS)
> Business/Tech Support Analyst
> University of California, Berkeley
> 310B Durant Hall
> (510) 541-6120
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 2:35 PM, Richard DESHONG 
> wrote:
>
>> Maybe...
>>
>> Micronet is an organization of volunteers who are involved with, or have
>> interest in, the support of computing services at the University of
>> California, Berkeley campus.
>>
>>
>> The "voluntary professional" phrasing was irking me.
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 1:38 PM, Aron Roberts 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Rune suggests a change of Micronet's proposed new charter to:
>>>
>>> "Micronet is a voluntary professional organization for employees of the
>>> University of California who are involved with, or have interests in, the
>>> University of California, Berkeley campus's support for computing services."
>>>
>>> That seems eminently reasonable, and is more inclusive. One alternate
>>> wording suggestion, also capturing affiliates, contractors, vendor
>>> representatives (yes, we have several of those on the list!) and their like:
>>>
>>> "Micronet is a voluntary professional organization for employees of the
>>> University of California, Berkeley campus and others who are involved with,
>>> or have interests in, that campus's support for computing services."
>>>
>>> Additional alternatives and/or wordsmithing welcomed ...
>>>
>>> Aron
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 1:04 PM, Rune Stromsness 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 On 2/3/2015 11:28 AM, Vivian Sophia wrote:
 > Hello Micronet,
 >
 > To reflect the fact that Micronet has changed since its charter was
 > created 25 years ago, Aron, Ian and I are proposing that we change it
 to
 > the following:
 > begin text---
 > Micronet is a voluntary professional organization for employees of the
 > University of California, Berkeley campus who are involved with, or
 have
 > interests in, the campus's support for computing services.
 >
 > Goals:
 > * Provide forums, both online and in-person, for announcements of
 campus
 > information technology-related events, services, and projects, and for
 > discussion of topics pertinent to campus computing support.
 > * Facilitate constructive interactions among the organization's
 members,
 > and between its members and those of other complementary campus
 groups.
 > -end text--
 >
 > If approved by you, the membership of Micronet, this charter will be
 > used to describe Micronet on the official staff organization web page.
 >
 > You are welcome to make comments through Friday.

 I realize that the existing charter also talks about "employees of the
 University of California, Berkeley", but Micronet has included
 University of California employees from other campuses or locations
 located very near Berkeley (LBL, UCOP, CEB, etc.) and retirees who are
 involved with or an interest in the Berkeley campus support for
 computing services.

 I don't if anyone thinks that it would be useful to explicitly include
 people like that, possibly by changing that first sentence slightly to:

 "Micronet is a voluntary professional organization for employees of the
 University of California who are involved with, or have interests in,
 the University of California, Berkeley campus's support for computing
 services."


 I know that I certainly still find Micronet useful in my role at LBL --
 thousands of the scientists who I support up here are dual-appointed and
 are faculty or grad students at UC Berkeley, and in some cases LBL and
 UCB share buildings with the "ownership" of one office or lab different
 from th

Re: [Micronet] UPDATED CHARTER comment period ending Friday

[Aron Roberts]

And to riff a bit on Richard's proposed alternative, here, with its
admirable streamlining that also still captures Rune's point about broader
inclusiveness ...

1. "Micronet is an organization of volunteers who are involved with, or
have interest in, the support of computing services at the University of
California, Berkeley campus."

... yet two more possibilities, substituting "voluntary organization" for
"organization of volunteers," and "an interest in" for "interest in":

2. "Micronet is a voluntary organization for those who are involved with,
or have an interest in, the support of computing services at the University
of California, Berkeley campus."

or, substituting "people" for "those":

3. "Micronet is a voluntary organization for people who are involved with,
or have an interest in, the support of computing services at the University
of California, Berkeley campus."

Or, substituting "are interested in" for "have an interest in":

4. "Micronet is a voluntary organization for people who are involved with,
or are interested in, the support of computing services at the University
of California, Berkeley campus."

As for "voluntary organization," see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voluntary_association.

And as for the addition of "an" to form "an interest in," see
http://ell.stackexchange.com/questions/47494/which-one-is-correct-sentence-between-i-have-interest-in-which-is-and-i-have
("interest" as a noun) and
http://forum.wordreference.com/showthread.php?t=2404820&s=6648930bf0d6588af7253d9a33a63e34&p=12095099#post12095099
(with "interest" implying potential benefit, going beyond - although still
encompassing - mere interest).

I'm personally fine with either Richard's suggestion to discard
"professional" from "voluntary professional organization," or with Vivian's
to retain it, in the following form or otherwise:

5. "Micronet is a voluntary organization for professionals of the University
of California, Berkeley campus and others who are involved with, or have
interests in, that campus's support for computing services."

Others' thoughts about "professional," in particular, as well on any of the
alternatives above?

Aron


On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 2:55 PM, Aron Roberts 
wrote:

> And to riff a bit on Richard's proposed alternative, here, with its
> admirable streamlining that also still captures Rune's point about broader
> inclusiveness ...
>
> "Micronet is an organization of volunteers who are involved with, or have
> interest in, the support of computing services at the University of
> California, Berkeley campus."
>
> ... yet one more possibility:
>
> "Micronet is a voluntary organization for those who are involved with, or
> have an interest in, the support of computing services at the University
> of California, Berkeley campus."
>
> (As for "voluntary organization," see
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voluntary_association. And as for the
> addition of "an" in "an interest in," see
> http://ell.stackexchange.com/questions/47494/which-one-is-correct-sentence-between-i-have-interest-in-which-is-and-i-have
> ("interest" as a noun) and
> http://forum.wordreference.com/showthread.php?t=2404820&s=6648930bf0d6588af7253d9a33a63e34&p=12095099#post12095099
> (with "interest" implying potential benefit, going beyond - although still
> encompassing - mere interest).)
>
> I'm personally onboard with Richard's suggestion to discard "professional"
> from "voluntary professional organization." Others' thoughts?
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 2:35 PM, Richard DESHONG 
> wrote:
>
>> Maybe...
>>
>> Micronet is an organization of volunteers who are involved with, or have
>> interest in, the support of computing services at the University of
>> California, Berkeley campus.
>>
>>
>> The "voluntary professional" phrasing was irking me.
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 1:38 PM, Aron Roberts 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Rune suggests a change of Micronet's proposed new charter to:
>>>
>>> "Micronet is a voluntary professional organization for employees of the
>>> University of California who are involved with, or have interests in, the
>>> University of California, Berkeley campus's support for computing services."
>>>
>>> That seems eminently reasonable, and is more inclusive. One alternate
>>> wording suggestion, also capturing affiliates, contractors, vendor
>>> representatives (yes, we have several of those on the list!) and their like:
>>>
>>> "Micronet is a voluntary professional organization for employees of the
>>> University of California, Berkeley campus and others who are involved with,
>>> or have interests in, that campus's support for computing services."
>>>
>>> Additional alternatives and/or wordsmithing welcomed ...
>>>
>>> Aron
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 1:04 PM, Rune Stromsness 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 On 2/3/2015 11:28 AM, Vivian Sophia wrote:
 > Hello Micronet,
 >
 > To reflect the fact that Micronet has changed since its charter was
 > created 25 years ago, Aron, Ian and I are proposing that we ch

Re: [Micronet] UPDATED CHARTER comment period ending Friday

[Vivian Sophia]

Richard,

I would prefer not to remove the idea that it is a professional
organization. How about:

Micronet is a voluntary organization for professionals of the University of
California, Berkeley campus and others who are involved with, or have
interests in, that campus's support for computing services.




Vivian Sophia
Berkeley IT (CSS)
Business/Tech Support Analyst
University of California, Berkeley
310B Durant Hall
(510) 541-6120


On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 2:35 PM, Richard DESHONG 
wrote:

> Maybe...
>
> Micronet is an organization of volunteers who are involved with, or have
> interest in, the support of computing services at the University of
> California, Berkeley campus.
>
>
> The "voluntary professional" phrasing was irking me.
>
> On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 1:38 PM, Aron Roberts 
> wrote:
>
>> Rune suggests a change of Micronet's proposed new charter to:
>>
>> "Micronet is a voluntary professional organization for employees of the
>> University of California who are involved with, or have interests in, the
>> University of California, Berkeley campus's support for computing services."
>>
>> That seems eminently reasonable, and is more inclusive. One alternate
>> wording suggestion, also capturing affiliates, contractors, vendor
>> representatives (yes, we have several of those on the list!) and their like:
>>
>> "Micronet is a voluntary professional organization for employees of the
>> University of California, Berkeley campus and others who are involved with,
>> or have interests in, that campus's support for computing services."
>>
>> Additional alternatives and/or wordsmithing welcomed ...
>>
>> Aron
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 1:04 PM, Rune Stromsness 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/3/2015 11:28 AM, Vivian Sophia wrote:
>>> > Hello Micronet,
>>> >
>>> > To reflect the fact that Micronet has changed since its charter was
>>> > created 25 years ago, Aron, Ian and I are proposing that we change it
>>> to
>>> > the following:
>>> > begin text---
>>> > Micronet is a voluntary professional organization for employees of the
>>> > University of California, Berkeley campus who are involved with, or
>>> have
>>> > interests in, the campus's support for computing services.
>>> >
>>> > Goals:
>>> > * Provide forums, both online and in-person, for announcements of
>>> campus
>>> > information technology-related events, services, and projects, and for
>>> > discussion of topics pertinent to campus computing support.
>>> > * Facilitate constructive interactions among the organization's
>>> members,
>>> > and between its members and those of other complementary campus groups.
>>> > -end text--
>>> >
>>> > If approved by you, the membership of Micronet, this charter will be
>>> > used to describe Micronet on the official staff organization web page.
>>> >
>>> > You are welcome to make comments through Friday.
>>>
>>> I realize that the existing charter also talks about "employees of the
>>> University of California, Berkeley", but Micronet has included
>>> University of California employees from other campuses or locations
>>> located very near Berkeley (LBL, UCOP, CEB, etc.) and retirees who are
>>> involved with or an interest in the Berkeley campus support for
>>> computing services.
>>>
>>> I don't if anyone thinks that it would be useful to explicitly include
>>> people like that, possibly by changing that first sentence slightly to:
>>>
>>> "Micronet is a voluntary professional organization for employees of the
>>> University of California who are involved with, or have interests in,
>>> the University of California, Berkeley campus's support for computing
>>> services."
>>>
>>>
>>> I know that I certainly still find Micronet useful in my role at LBL --
>>> thousands of the scientists who I support up here are dual-appointed and
>>> are faculty or grad students at UC Berkeley, and in some cases LBL and
>>> UCB share buildings with the "ownership" of one office or lab different
>>> from the one next door.
>>>
>>> I hope that, regardless of whether the charter stays as drafted or
>>> changes a bit, that I'll still be welcome to stay on the mailing list
>>> and attend some of the meetings.
>>>
>>>
>>> Rune
>>>
>>>
>>> > Vivian Sophia
>>> > Berkeley IT (CSS)
>>> > Business/Tech Support Analyst
>>> > University of California, Berkeley
>>> > 310B Durant Hall
>>> > (510) 541-6120
>>> >
>>>
>>> --
>>> Rune Stromsness
>>> LBLnet Manager
>>> Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory
>>> rst...@lbl.gov
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> To learn more about Micronet, including how to subscribe to or
>>> unsubscribe from its mailing list and how to find out about upcoming
>>> meetings, please visit the Micronet Web site:
>>>
>>> http://micronet.berkeley.edu
>>>
>>> Messages you send to this mailing list are public and world-viewable,
>>> and the l

Re: [Micronet] UPDATED CHARTER comment period ending Friday

[Richard DESHONG]

Maybe...

Micronet is an organization of volunteers who are involved with, or have
interest in, the support of computing services at the University of
California, Berkeley campus.


The "voluntary professional" phrasing was irking me.

On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 1:38 PM, Aron Roberts 
wrote:

> Rune suggests a change of Micronet's proposed new charter to:
>
> "Micronet is a voluntary professional organization for employees of the
> University of California who are involved with, or have interests in, the
> University of California, Berkeley campus's support for computing services."
>
> That seems eminently reasonable, and is more inclusive. One alternate
> wording suggestion, also capturing affiliates, contractors, vendor
> representatives (yes, we have several of those on the list!) and their like:
>
> "Micronet is a voluntary professional organization for employees of the
> University of California, Berkeley campus and others who are involved with,
> or have interests in, that campus's support for computing services."
>
> Additional alternatives and/or wordsmithing welcomed ...
>
> Aron
>
> On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 1:04 PM, Rune Stromsness 
> wrote:
>
>> On 2/3/2015 11:28 AM, Vivian Sophia wrote:
>> > Hello Micronet,
>> >
>> > To reflect the fact that Micronet has changed since its charter was
>> > created 25 years ago, Aron, Ian and I are proposing that we change it to
>> > the following:
>> > begin text---
>> > Micronet is a voluntary professional organization for employees of the
>> > University of California, Berkeley campus who are involved with, or have
>> > interests in, the campus's support for computing services.
>> >
>> > Goals:
>> > * Provide forums, both online and in-person, for announcements of campus
>> > information technology-related events, services, and projects, and for
>> > discussion of topics pertinent to campus computing support.
>> > * Facilitate constructive interactions among the organization's members,
>> > and between its members and those of other complementary campus groups.
>> > -end text--
>> >
>> > If approved by you, the membership of Micronet, this charter will be
>> > used to describe Micronet on the official staff organization web page.
>> >
>> > You are welcome to make comments through Friday.
>>
>> I realize that the existing charter also talks about "employees of the
>> University of California, Berkeley", but Micronet has included
>> University of California employees from other campuses or locations
>> located very near Berkeley (LBL, UCOP, CEB, etc.) and retirees who are
>> involved with or an interest in the Berkeley campus support for
>> computing services.
>>
>> I don't if anyone thinks that it would be useful to explicitly include
>> people like that, possibly by changing that first sentence slightly to:
>>
>> "Micronet is a voluntary professional organization for employees of the
>> University of California who are involved with, or have interests in,
>> the University of California, Berkeley campus's support for computing
>> services."
>>
>>
>> I know that I certainly still find Micronet useful in my role at LBL --
>> thousands of the scientists who I support up here are dual-appointed and
>> are faculty or grad students at UC Berkeley, and in some cases LBL and
>> UCB share buildings with the "ownership" of one office or lab different
>> from the one next door.
>>
>> I hope that, regardless of whether the charter stays as drafted or
>> changes a bit, that I'll still be welcome to stay on the mailing list
>> and attend some of the meetings.
>>
>>
>> Rune
>>
>>
>> > Vivian Sophia
>> > Berkeley IT (CSS)
>> > Business/Tech Support Analyst
>> > University of California, Berkeley
>> > 310B Durant Hall
>> > (510) 541-6120
>> >
>>
>> --
>> Rune Stromsness
>> LBLnet Manager
>> Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory
>> rst...@lbl.gov
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> unsubscribe from its mailing list and how to find out about upcoming
>> meetings, please visit the Micronet Web site:
>>
>> http://micronet.berkeley.edu
>>
>> Messages you send to this mailing list are public and world-viewable, and
>> the list's archives can be browsed and searched on the Internet.  This
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>> prospective employers, and people who have known you in the past.
>>
>>
>
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>
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>
> Messages you send to this mailing list are publ

Re: [Micronet] UPDATED CHARTER comment period ending Friday

[Aron Roberts]

Rune suggests a change of Micronet's proposed new charter to:

"Micronet is a voluntary professional organization for employees of the
University of California who are involved with, or have interests in, the
University of California, Berkeley campus's support for computing services."

That seems eminently reasonable, and is more inclusive. One alternate
wording suggestion, also capturing affiliates, contractors, vendor
representatives (yes, we have several of those on the list!) and their like:

"Micronet is a voluntary professional organization for employees of the
University of California, Berkeley campus and others who are involved with,
or have interests in, that campus's support for computing services."

Additional alternatives and/or wordsmithing welcomed ...

Aron

On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 1:04 PM, Rune Stromsness  wrote:

> On 2/3/2015 11:28 AM, Vivian Sophia wrote:
> > Hello Micronet,
> >
> > To reflect the fact that Micronet has changed since its charter was
> > created 25 years ago, Aron, Ian and I are proposing that we change it to
> > the following:
> > begin text---
> > Micronet is a voluntary professional organization for employees of the
> > University of California, Berkeley campus who are involved with, or have
> > interests in, the campus's support for computing services.
> >
> > Goals:
> > * Provide forums, both online and in-person, for announcements of campus
> > information technology-related events, services, and projects, and for
> > discussion of topics pertinent to campus computing support.
> > * Facilitate constructive interactions among the organization's members,
> > and between its members and those of other complementary campus groups.
> > -end text--
> >
> > If approved by you, the membership of Micronet, this charter will be
> > used to describe Micronet on the official staff organization web page.
> >
> > You are welcome to make comments through Friday.
>
> I realize that the existing charter also talks about "employees of the
> University of California, Berkeley", but Micronet has included
> University of California employees from other campuses or locations
> located very near Berkeley (LBL, UCOP, CEB, etc.) and retirees who are
> involved with or an interest in the Berkeley campus support for
> computing services.
>
> I don't if anyone thinks that it would be useful to explicitly include
> people like that, possibly by changing that first sentence slightly to:
>
> "Micronet is a voluntary professional organization for employees of the
> University of California who are involved with, or have interests in,
> the University of California, Berkeley campus's support for computing
> services."
>
>
> I know that I certainly still find Micronet useful in my role at LBL --
> thousands of the scientists who I support up here are dual-appointed and
> are faculty or grad students at UC Berkeley, and in some cases LBL and
> UCB share buildings with the "ownership" of one office or lab different
> from the one next door.
>
> I hope that, regardless of whether the charter stays as drafted or
> changes a bit, that I'll still be welcome to stay on the mailing list
> and attend some of the meetings.
>
>
> Rune
>
>
> > Vivian Sophia
> > Berkeley IT (CSS)
> > Business/Tech Support Analyst
> > University of California, Berkeley
> > 310B Durant Hall
> > (510) 541-6120
> >
>
> --
> Rune Stromsness
> LBLnet Manager
> Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory
> rst...@lbl.gov
>
>
>
>
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>
> http://micronet.berkeley.edu
>
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Re: [Micronet] UPDATED CHARTER comment period ending Friday

[Rune Stromsness]

On 2/3/2015 11:28 AM, Vivian Sophia wrote:
> Hello Micronet,
> 
> To reflect the fact that Micronet has changed since its charter was
> created 25 years ago, Aron, Ian and I are proposing that we change it to
> the following:
> begin text---
> Micronet is a voluntary professional organization for employees of the
> University of California, Berkeley campus who are involved with, or have
> interests in, the campus's support for computing services.
> 
> Goals:
> * Provide forums, both online and in-person, for announcements of campus
> information technology-related events, services, and projects, and for
> discussion of topics pertinent to campus computing support.
> * Facilitate constructive interactions among the organization's members,
> and between its members and those of other complementary campus groups.
> -end text--
> 
> If approved by you, the membership of Micronet, this charter will be
> used to describe Micronet on the official staff organization web page.
> 
> You are welcome to make comments through Friday.

I realize that the existing charter also talks about "employees of the
University of California, Berkeley", but Micronet has included
University of California employees from other campuses or locations
located very near Berkeley (LBL, UCOP, CEB, etc.) and retirees who are
involved with or an interest in the Berkeley campus support for
computing services.

I don't if anyone thinks that it would be useful to explicitly include
people like that, possibly by changing that first sentence slightly to:

"Micronet is a voluntary professional organization for employees of the
University of California who are involved with, or have interests in,
the University of California, Berkeley campus's support for computing
services."


I know that I certainly still find Micronet useful in my role at LBL --
thousands of the scientists who I support up here are dual-appointed and
are faculty or grad students at UC Berkeley, and in some cases LBL and
UCB share buildings with the "ownership" of one office or lab different
from the one next door.

I hope that, regardless of whether the charter stays as drafted or
changes a bit, that I'll still be welcome to stay on the mailing list
and attend some of the meetings.


Rune


> Vivian Sophia
> Berkeley IT (CSS)
> Business/Tech Support Analyst
> University of California, Berkeley
> 310B Durant Hall
> (510) 541-6120
> 

--
Rune Stromsness
LBLnet Manager
Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory
rst...@lbl.gov




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Re: [Micronet] UPDATED CHARTER comment period ending Friday

[Aron Roberts]

On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 11:31 AM, Graham Patterson 
wrote:

>
> The text it will/would replace is on the Home tab at
>
> http://micronet.berkeley.edu
>

  That's correct. And the full version of Micronet's current charter, which
we believe was adopted almost 25 years ago, on May 8, 1990 - and which
we're proposing to update to the language that Vivian Sophia sent out - can
be found here:

  http://micronet.berkeley.edu/about

  Thanks, Graham!

Aron Roberts
Research IT


> On 2/3/15 11:28 AM, Vivian Sophia wrote:
> > Hello Micronet,
> >
> > To reflect the fact that Micronet has changed since its charter was
> > created 25 years ago, Aron, Ian and I are proposing that we change it to
> > the following:
> > begin text---
> > Micronet is a voluntary professional organization for employees of the
> > University of California, Berkeley campus who are involved with, or have
> > interests in, the campus's support for computing services.
> >
> > Goals:
> > * Provide forums, both online and in-person, for announcements of campus
> > information technology-related events, services, and projects, and for
> > discussion of topics pertinent to campus computing support.
> > * Facilitate constructive interactions among the organization's members,
> > and between its members and those of other complementary campus groups.
> > -end text--
> >
> > If approved by you, the membership of Micronet, this charter will be
> > used to describe Micronet on the official staff organization web page.
> >
> > You are welcome to make comments through Friday.
> >
> >
> > Vivian Sophia
> > Berkeley IT (CSS)
> > Business/Tech Support Analyst
> > University of California, Berkeley
> > 310B Durant Hall
> > (510) 541-6120
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> unsubscribe from its mailing list and how to find out about upcoming
> meetings, please visit the Micronet Web site:
> >
> > http://micronet.berkeley.edu
> >
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> and the list's archives can be browsed and searched on the Internet.  This
> means these messages can be viewed by (among others) your bosses,
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>
>
> --
> Graham Patterson, Systems Administrator
> Lawrence Hall of Science, UC Berkeley   510-643-1984
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> puzzles, and the meteorite..." - used to be the directions to my office.
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Re: [Micronet] UPDATED CHARTER comment period ending Friday

[Graham Patterson]

The text it will/would replace is on the Home tab at

http://micronet.berkeley.edu

Graham


On 2/3/15 11:28 AM, Vivian Sophia wrote:
> Hello Micronet,
> 
> To reflect the fact that Micronet has changed since its charter was
> created 25 years ago, Aron, Ian and I are proposing that we change it to
> the following:
> begin text---
> Micronet is a voluntary professional organization for employees of the
> University of California, Berkeley campus who are involved with, or have
> interests in, the campus's support for computing services.
> 
> Goals:
> * Provide forums, both online and in-person, for announcements of campus
> information technology-related events, services, and projects, and for
> discussion of topics pertinent to campus computing support.
> * Facilitate constructive interactions among the organization's members,
> and between its members and those of other complementary campus groups.
> -end text--
> 
> If approved by you, the membership of Micronet, this charter will be
> used to describe Micronet on the official staff organization web page.
> 
> You are welcome to make comments through Friday.
> 
> 
> Vivian Sophia
> Berkeley IT (CSS)
> Business/Tech Support Analyst
> University of California, Berkeley
> 310B Durant Hall
> (510) 541-6120
> 
> 
> 
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[Micronet] UPDATED CHARTER comment period ending Friday

[Vivian Sophia]

Hello Micronet,

To reflect the fact that Micronet has changed since its charter was created
25 years ago, Aron, Ian and I are proposing that we change it to the
following:
begin text---
Micronet is a voluntary professional organization for employees of the
University of California, Berkeley campus who are involved with, or have
interests in, the campus's support for computing services.

Goals:
* Provide forums, both online and in-person, for announcements of campus
information technology-related events, services, and projects, and for
discussion of topics pertinent to campus computing support.
* Facilitate constructive interactions among the organization's members,
and between its members and those of other complementary campus groups.
-end text--

If approved by you, the membership of Micronet, this charter will be used
to describe Micronet on the official staff organization web page.

You are welcome to make comments through Friday.


Vivian Sophia
Berkeley IT (CSS)
Business/Tech Support Analyst
University of California, Berkeley
310B Durant Hall
(510) 541-6120
 
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