Fw: News from Second Amendment March
What's New Urgent Action Required URGENT! Anti-gun Chicago talk show host Milt Rosenberg will be hosting a radio debate on the REPEAL of the 2nd Amendment to our Constitution on superstation WGN Radio. WGN has a huge market and can be heard on air in many states and around the world streaming live on the internetthis is not just an Illinois issue. (Note that if you cannot click on the link directly, copy and paste the entire link into your browser's address bar.) http://www.wgnradio.com/index.php?option=com_google_mapsItemid=123 The following is taken from an urgent email just issued by the Illinois State Rifle Association. This is a TRIAL BALLOON people. Don't forget where Obama came fromChicago. If you care at all about freedom then you recognize that an on air debate about abolishing the 2nd Amendment is the shot across the bow. Read and respond: Defending our Constitution will be Bob Levy, Chairman of the Cato Institute. The debater who will be attacking our Constitution has not been named as of yet. HERE IS WHAT YOU MUST DO TO DEFEND YOUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS: 1. Mark your calendar to listen to WGN Radio, AM 720, on Thursday, March 26, 2009 beginning at 9 PM. If you cannot receive WGN in your area, you can listen to the program live on the Internet at www.wgnradio.com 2. No matter where you live, please be sure to call the radio station's call in line at (312) 591-7200 and ask to speak your opinion on what has been said. It would be best if you voice support for the 2nd Amendment and Mr. Levy's statements rather than personally attacking whoever the anti gunner is. 3. Please pass this alert on to all your gun-owning, freedom-loving friends, your gun club, and anyone else you know who would be interested in calling in to the radio show to defend our Constitution. 4. Please post this alert to any and all Internet bulletin boards or blogs to which you subscribe. It is important that you call the radio station and continue to call until you get through to speak. The more pro-gun callers we get, the better. Don't let the anti gunners use this forum as a vehicle for trampling on our Constitution! Let's do what we can to generate a nation-wide response to this latest attack on our rights! \\\ Interview with Ted Nugent This interview between Ted Nugent and Concealed Carry Magazine was reprinted with permission by Ted Nugent. On Feb 25th, Attorney General and avowed gun hater Eric Holder announced the intentions of the Obama administration to re-up the 1994 assault weapons ban, this time with some additional threats to our liberties. Ted, can we the people stop this from happening in today's political environment and what is your recommendation as to how to go about stopping it? TN: Though the Obama administration is plowing forward (backwards) with his full on antiAmerican agenda on every issue, the real guilt for most of America's problems must be shared by apathetic Americans who have so miserably failed to participate in this glorious, uniquely American experiment in self government, most notably, Americans who claim to believe in freedom but are not current members of the NRA. Please join the NRA and unite for a counterpunch that could destroy the gun control monster once and for all. Constantly communicating our families' beliefs with our elected officials is Job One for all Americans. In your opinion, was the 2008 election of Obama a referendum on gun control as the Brady Campaign would have us believe? TN: Typical of the Brady liars, nothing could be further from the truth. Even your most diehard leftist liberal Democrats avoided the gun control issue like the plague for even they know it would be their deathknoll. [They] bank on the painfully accurate assumption that many Americans are not paying attention. America will get what we deserve. Ted, the political landscape of this country changed radically on January 20th, 2009 with the help of an extremely biased national mainstream media blatantly pushing an Obama/left wing socialist agenda during the campaign. In your opinion, what made this proud nation, built on rugged individualism and the gun, turn to an avowed leftist as a leader? TN: The smell of victory from WWII was short lived, and a once rough, tough brave America began its decline shortly thereafter into the doldrums of feel good denial and politics. The liberal media and leftists were emboldened to tread on America with impunity. The failed American education system made it a point to eliminate the painful yet pivotal information about Nazis, deathcamps, Battan Deathmarches and the atrocities of evil people destroying
Fw: MIAC report changed but is it really a Win?
Ozarks Minutemen Meeting Thursday March 26, 2009 6:00pm The Library Center 4653 South Campbell Springfield, MO 65810 This topic should be discussed during Thursday's Candidate Forum. Johnny Recla Thread by I'm not a terrorist! I'm a patriot. on Facebook. We won!!! The MIAC report is being edited. Thanks to the actions of our group, Mike Ferguson of the Libertarian Party, the named candidates, and the Liberty Restoration Project: At least one of the signatories (John Britt, Director of Missouri's Department of Public Safety) to the MIAC report on militia's has backed down from the statements and issued a formal apology. The text of the letter is follows: --- March 23, 2009 Rep. Ron Paul 203 Cannon House Office Building Washington, D.C. 20515 Mr. Bob Barr 900 Circle 75 Parkway, Suite 1280 Atlanta, Georgia 30339 Mr. Chuck Baldwin 6800 Mobile Highway Pensacola, Florida 32526 Dear Rep. Paul, Mr. Barr and Mr. Baldwin: As head of the state agency responsible for oversight of the Missouri Information Analysis Center (MIAC), I want to respond to your letter of March 20, 2009, regarding a report by the MIAC on the militia movement. Portions of that report may be easily construed by readers as offensive to supporters of certain political candidates or to those candidates themselves. I regret that those components were ultimately included in the final report issued by the MIAC. The Missouri Department of Public Safety places the utmost value on the safety and well-being of Missouri’s law enforcement officers –a value I am certain we share with you and your supporters. Officers of the law do the most dangerous job of anyone in our society and regularly put themselves in the path of great danger, bodily harm and death in order to protect innocent citizens. As such, it is our regular practice to provide as much information as we can to law enforcement agencies and their officers so they are fully cognizant of any situational hazard which they may encounter. Unfortunately, in the course of preparing this report, some regrettable information was included in the report on militia groups in Missouri. While the intent of the report was only to identify certain traits that are sometimes shared by members of militia organizations, this report is too easily misinterpreted as suggesting that militia members may be identified by no other indicator than support for a particular candidate or political organization. That is an undesired and unwarranted outcome. Upon review and reflection, it is the judgment of the Department of Public Safety that the report should have made no reference to supporters of Ron Paul, Bob Barr, Chuck Baldwin or of any other third-party political organization or candidate. In recognition of the mistaken inclusion of this information by the MIAC in its February 20, 2009, report on the militia movement, I have ordered that the offending report be edited so as to excise all reference to Ron Paul, Bob Barr or Chuck Baldwin and to any third-party political organizations. Additionally, you may rest assured that the report is not posted on any website maintained by the State of Missouri. The Missouri Department of Public Safety regrets any inconvenience or issues caused inadvertently by the unnecessary inclusion of certain components by MIAC in its militia report. Respectfully, John M.Britt Director Wes, This letter does not address the insinuation that being a part of the militia movement makes us domestic terrorist's or something that law enforcement should be apprehensive about or scared of and in need of profiling. It is the mentality that We the people do not have an INHERENT right to organize as allowed by the constitution or that such an exercise makes us less law abiding or more dangerous, that is so despicable anyway. NOT that we may have affiliation with third party candidates, and it is NOT those candidates that deserve an apology or omission from the report. Johnny Recla --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Fw: Jeff Jacoby: Bush's 'folly' is ending in victory / 3-25-2009
Jeff Jacoby Bush's 'folly' is ending in victory by Jeff Jacoby The Boston Globe March 25, 2009 http://www.jeffjacoby.com/5134/bushs-folly-is-ending-in-victory MARKETS WITHOUT BOMBS. Hummers without guns. Ice cream after dark. Busy streets without fear. So began Terry McCarthy's report from Iraq for ABC's World News Sunday on March 15, one of a series the network aired last week as the war in Iraq reached its sixth anniversary. A nationwide poll of Iraqis reveals that 60 percent expect things to get better next year -- almost three times as many as a year and a half ago, McCarthy continued. Iraqis are slowly discovering they have a future. We flew south to Basra, where 94 percent say their lives are going well. Oil is plentiful here. So is money. In another report two nights later, ABC's correspondent characterized the Iraqi capital as a city reborn: speed, light, style -- this is Baghdad today. Where car bombs have given way to car racing. Where a once-looted museum has been restored and reopened. And where young women who were forced to cover their heads can again wear the clothes that they like. One such young woman is dental student Hiba al-Jassin, who fled Baghdad's horrific violence two years ago, but found the city transformed when she returned last fall. I'm just optimistic, she told McCarthy. I think we are on the right path. ABC wasn't alone in conveying the latest glad tidings from Iraq. Iraq combat deaths at 6-year low USA Today reported on its front page last Wednesday. The story noted that in the first two months of 2009, 15 US soldiers were killed in action -- one-fourth the number killed in the same period a year ago, and one-tenth the 2007 toll. The reduction in deaths reflects the reduction in violence, which has plummeted by 90 percent since former President Bush ordered General David Petraeus to implement a new counterinsurgency strategy -- the surge -- in early 2007. Even in northern Iraq, where some al-Qaeda terrorists are still active, attacks are down by 70 percent. In the wake of improved security have come political reconciliation and compromise. Iraq's democratic government continues to mature, with ethnic and religious loyalties beginning to yield to broader political concerns. Iraq women peruse election posters in Fallujah. More than 14,000 candidates competed peacefully to fill 440 provincial offices.The Washington Post reports that the country's foremost Shiite politician, Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, has formed an alliance with Saleh al-Mutlak, an outspoken Sunni leader. It is a development that suggests the emergence of a new axis of power in Iraq centered on a strong central government and nationalism -- a dramatic change from the sectarian passions that fueled so much bloody agony in 2006 and 2007. In the recent provincial elections, writes the Post's Anthony Shadid, Maliki's party won major gains, with the prime minister forgoing the slogans of his Islamist past for a platform of law and order. Despite his erstwhile reputation as a Shiite hardliner, Maliki now echoes Mutlak's call for burying the hatchet with supporters of Saddam Hussein's overwhelmingly Sunni Baath Party. Those elections were yet another blow to the conviction that constitutional democracy and Arab culture are incompatible. For the 440 seats to be filled, more than 14,000 candidates and some 400 political parties contended -- a level of democratic competition that leaves American elections in the dust. A Jeffersonian republic of yeoman smallholders Iraq will never be. But over the past six years it has been transformed from one of the most brutal tyrannies on earth to an example of democratic pluralism in the heart of the Arab world. For a long time the foes of the Iraq war and the president who launched it insisted that none of this was possible -- that the war was lost, that there was no military solution to the sectarian slaughter, that the surge would only make the violence worse. Victory was not an option, the critics declared; the only option was to partition Iraq and get out. Time and again it was said that the war would forever be remembered as Bush's folly, if not indeed as the worst foreign policy mistake in US history. Even now, with a stubbornness born of partisan hostility or political ideology, there are those who cannot bring themselves to utter the words victory and Iraq in the same sentence. But six years after the war began, it is ending in victory. As in every war, the price of that victory was higher than we would have wished. The price of defeat would have been far higher. (Jeff Jacoby is a columnist for The Boston Globe.) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or
Fw: Where does the Cell Phone Bill go ??
--- On Wed, 3/25/09, Gregory Sokerkawrote: Too Poor to Buy Food But I can Take a Picture of Michelle With My Camera Phone First Lady Michelle Obama showed up Thursday as a surprise and welcome volunteer at Miriam's Kitchen, a soup kitchen for homeless poor people not far from the White House. She brought with her some food donated by White House staff. The first lady served up mushroom risotto and broccoli to a long line of homeless men and women during part of her lunch hour and in these photos poses for a picture by one homeless diner obviously excited to be in the first lady's presence. Obama said she hoped her service would cause other Americans to volunteer to help the less fortunate in their own communities. And, of course, such images of need might also help build support for her husband's economic and healthcare reform agenda, although a Miriam's spokeswoman said their average "guest" has been homeless since about the time Barack Obama was elected to the U.S. Senate in 2004. Miriam's is a privately funded soup kitchen about seven blocks from the White House that has 1,200 volunteers and serves about 300, mainly men, each morning. Our colleague Mark Silva has more on the volunteer work in the Swamp here. Both of these news photos were widely distributed across the country and even around the world. It doesn't detract from the first lady's generous gesture or the real needs she seeks to highlight to ask two bothersome journalistic questions about these news photos: If this unidentified meal recipient is too poor to buy his own food, how does he afford a cellphone? And if he is homeless, where do they send the cellphone bills? Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. Find out more.
Fw: Show-Me Madness (Paul Jacob on being profiled as a terrorist))
March 24, 2009 Show-Me Madness What if you were profiled by the police as a terrorist simply because of your political beliefs? A new report entitled The Modern Militia Movement, prepared for law enforcement agencies by the Missouri Information Analysis Center, threatens just that. The report doesn't detail any current criminal activity in Missouri. It does suggest to police, however, that anyone opposing government bailouts, abortion, or the Federal Reserve is a potential militia member, possibly a terrorist, or both. The report tells police how to recognize militia members. Look for literature that is derogatory toward the IRS, ATF, the CIA, and the like. And look also for people who support minor party presidential candidates, or one sitting Republican congressman. Tim Neal told the Associated Press that he has become nervous about his Ron Paul bumpersticker. Hearing a litany of the tell-tale signs that a person is in a militia, he said he was going down the list and thinking, 'Check, that's me.' Remember, it's perfectly legal -- and peaceful -- to wear fatigues. It is also legal to train, military-style, on private property. So is paintball. And both probably qualify as good preparation for all sorts of emergencies. Governments focusing investigations and gathering intelligence on citizens on the basis of peaceful, perfectly legal political viewpoints is far more dangerous. And that's happening right now in the Show-Me state. This is Common Sense. I'm Paul Jacob. Paul Jacob is President of Citizens in Charge and the Citizens in Charge Foundation, which sponsors both Common Sense and Paul's weekly Townhall Column. The opinions expressed in Common Sense are Paul Jacob's and do not necessarily reflect the opinions of Citizens in Charge or the Citizens in Charge Foundation. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
EU President Attacks Obama Spending Plan
Czech PM attacks Obama spending The Czech prime minister has condemned US President Barack Obama's economic recovery plans as a way to hell. Mirek Topolanek was speaking in the European Parliament, in his capacity as current holder of the EU presidency. Hours before his remarks, President Obama appealed for all countries to bear the burden of spending to stimulate the world economy. Mr Topolanek said the biggest success of last week's EU summit was its refusal to copy the US example. His intervention comes 10 days before the G20 summit meeting in London and coincides with a visit to New York by UK Prime Minister Gordon Brown, who has called for a worldwide fiscal and monetary stimulus. “ When the US president turns up for the EU summit in Prague, whose hand will he shake? ” Europe editor Mark Mardell Other European leaders, particularly French President Nicolas Sarkozy and German Chancellor Angela Merkel, want tougher financial regulation to be the priority of the G20. Mr Topolanek, whose government collapsed last night in a Czech parliament vote of no-confidence, said the United States was not taking the right path. He attacked the US's growing budget deficit and the Buy America campaign, saying all of these steps, these combinations and permanency is the way to hell. We need to read the history books and the lessons of history and the biggest success of the (EU) is the refusal to go this way, he said. EU wary of deficits BBC correspondent Jonny Dymond says his comments are not quite a full frontal assault on US economic strategy - but they come pretty close. He says Mr Topolanek has again underlined that European leaders see no need for a further global economic stimulus to come out of the G20 summit. Mr Topolanek has said he will step down as Czech prime minister, but the Czech Republic is set to complete its six-month EU presidency regardless. At the end of their Brussels summit last week EU leaders insisted that the EU's existing stimulus measures - put at about 400bn euros ($543bn; £375bn) - had to be given time to kick in. In the US, correspondents say, President Obama faces a tough fight to get support in Congress for his draft $3.6tn (£2.5tn) budget. The package means an increased deficit, reckoned to be $1.4tn for next year. Mr Obama says his goal is to create jobs, revive the housing market and encourage a resumption of bank lending by providing more liquidity. Story from BBC NEWS: http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/europe/7963359.stm Published: 2009/03/25 12:52:01 GMT --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: Where does the Cell Phone Bill go ??
Maybe someone felt so sorry for him that they gave him a phone with prepaid time on it so he would not have a cell phone bill! Of course if you believe that, I have some ocean front property that I will sell you down here in the Ozark Hills. Jerry -Original Message- From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalit...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Fred B. Ellison Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 11:33 AM To: MLC Google Group Cc: Springfield Ron Paul Meetup Subject: Fw: Where does the Cell Phone Bill go ?? --- On Wed, 3/25/09, Gregory Sokerka wrote: Too Poor to Buy Food But I can Take a Picture of Michelle With My Camera Phone First Lady Michelle Obama showed up Thursday as a surprise and welcome volunteer at Miriam's Kitchen, a soup kitchen for homeless poor people not far from the White House. She brought with her some food donated by White House staff. The first lady served up mushroom risotto and broccoli to a long line of homeless men and women during part of her lunch hour and in these photos poses for a picture by one homeless diner obviously excited to be in the first lady's presence. Obama said she hoped her service would cause other Americans to volunteer to help the less fortunate in their own communities. And, of course, such images of need might also help build support for her husband's economic and healthcare reform agenda, although a Miriam's spokeswoman said their average guest has been homeless since about the time Barack Obama was elected to the U.S. Senate in 2004. Miriam's is a privately funded soup kitchen about seven blocks from the White House that has 1,200 volunteers and serves about 300, mainly men, each morning. Our colleague Mark Silva has more on the volunteer work in the Swamp here. Both of these news photos were widely distributed across the country and even around the world. It doesn't detract from the first lady's generous gesture or the real needs she seeks to highlight to ask two bothersome journalistic questions about these news photos: If this unidentified meal recipient is too poor to buy his own food, how does he afford a cellphone? And if he is homeless, where do they send the cellphone bills? -- Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. -- Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. Find out more. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~--- inline: image0011.jpg
RE: And now, the Rest of the Story
I thank it is wrong for them not to fulfill the contracts that were put in place, if they were not going to do this, then why did they give the company any money at all. I am on the side that none of this so called bailouts should have ever been paid. Jerry -Original Message- From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalit...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Fred B. Ellison Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 2:25 PM To: MLC Google Group Cc: Springfield Ron Paul Meetup Subject: And now, the Rest of the Story The following is a letter sent on Tuesday by Jake DeSantis, an executive vice president of the American International Group’s financial products unit, to Edward M. Liddy, the chief executive of A.I.G. Readers' Comments Hint: If your company accepts tens of billions of dollars from taxpayers, consider your bonus renegotiated. Rolf, New York DEAR Mr. Liddy, It is with deep regret that I submit my notice of resignation from A.I.G. Financial Products. I hope you take the time to read this entire letter. Before describing the details of my decision, I want to offer some context: I am proud of everything I have done for the commodity and equity divisions of A.I.G.-F.P. I was in no way involved in — or responsible for — the credit default swap transactions that have hamstrung A.I.G. Nor were more than a handful of the 400 current employees of A.I.G.-F.P. Most of those responsible have left the company and have conspicuously escaped the public outrage. After 12 months of hard work dismantling the company — during which A.I.G. reassured us many times we would be rewarded in March 2009 — we in the financial products unit have been betrayed by A.I.G. and are being unfairly persecuted by elected officials. In response to this, I will now leave the company and donate my entire post-tax retention payment to those suffering from the global economic downturn. My intent is to keep none of the money myself. I take this action after 11 years of dedicated, honorable service to A.I.G. I can no longer effectively perform my duties in this dysfunctional environment, nor am I being paid to do so. Like you, I was asked to work for an annual salary of $1, and I agreed out of a sense of duty to the company and to the public officials who have come to its aid. Having now been let down by both, I can no longer justify spending 10, 12, 14 hours a day away from my family for the benefit of those who have let me down. You and I have never met or spoken to each other, so I’d like to tell you about myself. I was raised by schoolteachers working multiple jobs in a world of closing steel mills. My hard work earned me acceptance to M.I.T., and the institute’s generous financial aid enabled me to attend. I had fulfilled my American dream. I started at this company in 1998 as an equity trader, became the head of equity and commodity trading and, a couple of years before A.I.G.’s meltdown last September, was named the head of business development for commodities. Over this period the equity and commodity units were consistently profitable — in most years generating net profits of well over $100 million. Most recently, during the dismantling of A.I.G.-F.P., I was an integral player in the pending sale of its well-regarded commodity index business to UBS. As you know, business unit sales like this are crucial to A.I.G.’s effort to repay the American taxpayer. The profitability of the businesses with which I was associated clearly supported my compensation. I never received any pay resulting from the credit default swaps that are now losing so much money. I did, however, like many others here, lose a significant portion of my life savings in the form of deferred compensation invested in the capital of A.I.G.-F.P. because of those losses. In this way I have personally suffered from this controversial activity — directly as well as indirectly with the rest of the taxpayers. I have the utmost respect for the civic duty that you are now performing at A.I.G. You are as blameless for these credit default swap losses as I am. You answered your country’s call and you are taking a tremendous beating for it. But you also are aware that most of the employees of your financial products unit had nothing to do with the large losses. And I am disappointed and frustrated over your lack of support for us. I and many others in the unit feel betrayed that you failed to stand up for us in the face of untrue and unfair accusations from certain members of Congress last Wednesday and from the press over our retention payments, and that you didn’t defend us against the baseless and reckless comments made by the attorneys general of New York and Connecticut. My guess is that in October, when you learned of these retention contracts,
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Re: Jeff Jacoby: Bush's 'folly' is ending in victory / 3-25-2009
On Mar 25, 2009, at 10:33 AM, Fred B. Ellison wrote: Bush's 'folly' is ending in victory [snip] Sure, a victory that has cost us trillions of dollars, hundreds of lives, tens of thousands of maimed, the Iraqis innumerable dead, maimed, and missing, 6 million refugees (most of them educated, leaving Iraq without a literate workforce), burned out and gutted churches, dead pastors, for the small and struggling Christian communities there, billions of dollars pumped into corrupt contractors, the black market, and local warlords, an Iraq close to alliance with Iran which they hated before this started, an Iraq that cannot supply even its own oil, a nuclear-armed Pakistan coming unglued, a stronger-than-ever front of anti-US, anti-western terrorist groups worldwide, and US foreign relations at an all-time low after having been at an all-time high just after 9/11... clap-clap-clap And meanwhile, anti-US Russia has become a superpower again and is sliding closer to cooperation with China which they hated before Bush came on the scene (and still do, they just hate the US more), and our country is almost bankrupt. Pardon me if I don't dance in the streets and weep for joy. I am rather glad Bush II is gone, even if I don't like his replacement any better. I am rather convinced that groups like this are the only way to make a difference. We have to bring our local governments back to some semblance of sanity and fiscal responsibility before we can straighten out the Federal mess. The local people running for office like Tom Martz are heros and need every bit of support we can give them--- as well as more of us stepping up to the plate. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Ellison For Council Website
Great web site Fred. I voted yes. I support the SOS.1/4 cent tax idea. Larry Voted Yes Melton In a message dated 3/25/2009 5:37:50 PM Central Daylight Time, fbelli...@yahoo.com writes: If a friend or associate has questions about where I stand on the issues: _http://www.ellisonforcouncil.com/_ (http://www.ellisonforcouncil.com/) Fred **Great Deals on Dell 15 Laptops - Starting at $479 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220635228x1201407499/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doub leclick.net%2Fclk%3B213153654%3B34689672%3Bo) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: And now, the Rest of the Story
By the way, let us start calling this what it really is, not Bailouts but Nationalization of the business in the USA, or better yet Socialization. -Original Message- From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalit...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Jerry Blevins Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 3:33 PM To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com Cc: Springfield Ron Paul Meetup Subject: RE: And now, the Rest of the Story I thank it is wrong for them not to fulfill the contracts that were put in place, if they were not going to do this, then why did they give the company any money at all. I am on the side that none of this so called bailouts should have ever been paid. Jerry -Original Message- From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalit...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Fred B. Ellison Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 2:25 PM To: MLC Google Group Cc: Springfield Ron Paul Meetup Subject: And now, the Rest of the Story The following is a letter sent on Tuesday by Jake DeSantis, an executive vice president of the American International Group’s financial products unit, to Edward M. Liddy, the chief executive of A.I.G. Readers' Comments Hint: If your company accepts tens of billions of dollars from taxpayers, consider your bonus renegotiated. Rolf, New York DEAR Mr. Liddy, It is with deep regret that I submit my notice of resignation from A.I.G. Financial Products. I hope you take the time to read this entire letter. Before describing the details of my decision, I want to offer some context: I am proud of everything I have done for the commodity and equity divisions of A.I.G.-F.P. I was in no way involved in — or responsible for — the credit default swap transactions that have hamstrung A.I.G. Nor were more than a handful of the 400 current employees of A.I.G.-F.P. Most of those responsible have left the company and have conspicuously escaped the public outrage. After 12 months of hard work dismantling the company — during which A.I.G. reassured us many times we would be rewarded in March 2009 — we in the financial products unit have been betrayed by A.I.G. and are being unfairly persecuted by elected officials. In response to this, I will now leave the company and donate my entire post-tax retention payment to those suffering from the global economic downturn. My intent is to keep none of the money myself. I take this action after 11 years of dedicated, honorable service to A.I.G. I can no longer effectively perform my duties in this dysfunctional environment, nor am I being paid to do so. Like you, I was asked to work for an annual salary of $1, and I agreed out of a sense of duty to the company and to the public officials who have come to its aid. Having now been let down by both, I can no longer justify spending 10, 12, 14 hours a day away from my family for the benefit of those who have let me down. You and I have never met or spoken to each other, so I’d like to tell you about myself. I was raised by schoolteachers working multiple jobs in a world of closing steel mills. My hard work earned me acceptance to M.I.T., and the institute’s generous financial aid enabled me to attend. I had fulfilled my American dream. I started at this company in 1998 as an equity trader, became the head of equity and commodity trading and, a couple of years before A.I.G.’s meltdown last September, was named the head of business development for commodities. Over this period the equity and commodity units were consistently profitable — in most years generating net profits of well over $100 million. Most recently, during the dismantling of A.I.G.-F.P., I was an integral player in the pending sale of its well-regarded commodity index business to UBS. As you know, business unit sales like this are crucial to A.I.G.’s effort to repay the American taxpayer. The profitability of the businesses with which I was associated clearly supported my compensation. I never received any pay resulting from the credit default swaps that are now losing so much money. I did, however, like many others here, lose a significant portion of my life savings in the form of deferred compensation invested in the capital of A.I.G.-F.P. because of those losses. In this way I have personally suffered from this controversial activity — directly as well as indirectly with the rest of the taxpayers. I have the utmost respect for the civic duty that you are now performing at A.I.G. You are as blameless for these credit default swap losses as I am. You answered your country’s call and you are taking a tremendous beating for it. But you also are aware that most of the employees of your financial products unit had nothing to do with the large
You Can Be A Powerful Voice
_Visit our News page_ (http://www.actforamerica.org/index.php/learn/recent-news) You Can Be A Powerful Voice For Those You Care About !! by Guy Rodgers ACT! for America Executive Director Register for a “Citizens in Action” conference today at _www.actforamerica.org_ (http://www.actforamerica.org/) Dear When I first got involved as a grassroots volunteer in politics over 30 years ago, I made a conscious effort to observe and emulate the political people who were clearly more successful than most everyone else I could see. That’s because I got involved to make a difference…to make changes in government policies and the people who implemented them – and I wanted to be as effective and successful as I could be. I’ll never forget the day I came across this saying, put forth by an organization that educated people how to be more successful in the arena of government, politics, and civic affairs: “You owe it to your philosophy to study how to win.” This is the inspiration behind our “Citizens in Action” conferences. Only in our case, I would re-write it this way: “You owe it to your families, friends, children and grandchildren to study how to win.” Most people in America don’t yet recognize that we are in a life and death, liberty vs. tyranny struggle against the rising tide of radical Islam. But you do. And that knowledge carries with it the opportunity and responsibility to make sure we do whatever we can do to be excellent, modern-day “Paul Revere’s” in warning, awakening and mobilize America to the threat that is on our doorstep. That’s why you owe it to yourself and everyone you know and care about to “ study how to win.” After all, their lives and liberty may well depend on what you and I do – and how well we do it. That’s why we’re not only offering seven “Citizens in Action” conferences this year – we’re also making six of them available to anyone, anywhere in the world, via live webcast. You don’t even have to travel to a conference if none of them are close enough for you to attend. That’s why we’re offering a money-back guarantee on these conferences. If you ’re not 100% satisfied that you are more knowledgeable, more empowered, more equipped, and more motivated after participating in one of these conferences, we’ll refund your registration price. That’s why our registration price begins as low as $19 – because we want to make sure no one who wants to participate is left out for financial reasons. That’s why we’ve put together a team of presenters that have dozens of years experience on the topics covered in the conference. We know you want the best for those you know and care about – which is why we have devised this conference, to equip, empower and inspire you. We can’t afford to lose the fight against radical Islam. We can’t afford to fail, for the price of failure is one we cannot pay. For the sake of our families, friends, and the generations that follow us, we must win. We must succeed. No other organization in America, committed to combating the rising tide of radical Islam, offers such a conference. So join us today by logging on at _http://www.actforamerica.org/index.php/citizens-in-action_ (http://www.actforamerica.org/index.php/citizens-in-action) and locate a “Citizens in Action” conference you can either attend in person or participate via live webcast. We’re not asking you to commit to six weeks of military “Basic Training” – just one Saturday. Join the ranks of those who have already attended and called this conference “a must-attend event” and “the most important event of its kind I’ve ever attended.” Log on and register today! -- - ACT for America P.O. Box 12765 Pensacola, FL 32591 _www.actforamerica.org_ (http://www.actforamerica.org/) **Great Deals on Dell 15 Laptops - Starting at $479 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220635228x1201407499/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doub leclick.net%2Fclk%3B213153654%3B34689672%3Bo) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: You Can Be A Powerful Voice
I'm more worried about my own government then radical Islam On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 8:09 PM, larmelt...@aol.com wrote: *Visit our News page*http://www.actforamerica.org/index.php/learn/recent-news *You Can Be A Powerful Voice For Those You Care About !! by Guy Rodgers ACT! for America Executive Director **Register for a “Citizens in Action” conference today at **www.actforamerica.org* http://www.actforamerica.org/* * *Dear When I first got involved as a grassroots volunteer in politics over 30 years ago, I made a conscious effort to observe and emulate the political people who were clearly more successful than most everyone else I could see. That’s because I got involved to make a difference…to make changes in government policies and the people who implemented them – and I wanted to be as effective and successful as I could be. I’ll never forget the day I came across this saying, put forth by an organization that educated people how to be more successful in the arena of government, politics, and civic affairs: “You owe it to your philosophy to study how to win.” This is the inspiration behind our “Citizens in Action” conferences. Only in our case, I would re-write it this way: “You owe it to your families, friends, children and grandchildren to study how to win.” Most people in America don’t yet recognize that we are in a life and death, liberty vs. tyranny struggle against the rising tide of radical Islam. But you do. And that knowledge carries with it the opportunity and responsibility to make sure we do whatever we can do to be excellent, modern-day “Paul Revere’s” in warning, awakening and mobilize America to the threat that is on our doorstep. That’s why you owe it to yourself and everyone you know and care about to “study how to win.” After all, their lives and liberty may well depend on what you and I do – and how well we do it. That’s why we’re not only offering seven “Citizens in Action” conferences this year – we’re also making six of them available to anyone, anywhere in the world, via live webcast. You don’t even have to travel to a conference if none of them are close enough for you to attend. That’s why we’re offering a money-back guarantee on these conferences. If you’re not 100% satisfied that you are more knowledgeable, more empowered, more equipped, and more motivated after participating in one of these conferences, we’ll refund your registration price. That’s why our registration price begins as low as $19 – because we want to make sure no one who wants to participate is left out for financial reasons. That’s why we’ve put together a team of presenters that have dozens of years experience on the topics covered in the conference. We know you want the best for those you know and care about – which is why we have devised this conference, to equip, empower and inspire you. We can’t afford to lose the fight against radical Islam. We can’t afford to fail, for the price of failure is one we cannot pay. For the sake of our families, friends, and the generations that follow us, we must win. We must succeed. No other organization in America, committed to combating the rising tide of radical Islam, offers such a conference. So join us today by logging on at **http://www.actforamerica.org/index.php/citizens-in-action*http://www.actforamerica.org/index.php/citizens-in-action * and locate a “Citizens in Action” conference you can either attend in person or participate via live webcast. We’re not asking you to commit to six weeks of military “Basic Training” – just one Saturday. Join the ranks of those who have already attended and called this conference “a must-attend event” and “the most important event of its kind I’ve ever attended.” Log on and register today! * *--- **ACT for America P.O. Box 12765 Pensacola, FL 32591 **www.actforamerica.org* http://www.actforamerica.org/* * -- Great Deals on Dell 15 Laptops - Starting at $479http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220635228x1201407499/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B213153654%3B34689672%3Bo -- http://votetom4council.webs.com/ www.moliberty.org http://417-political-pundit.blogspot.com The power to tax involves the power to destroy. ~Justice John Marshall~ Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you! -Pericles (430 B.C.) no cause is lost if there is but one fool to fight for it ~Will Turner~ ~Pirate's of the Caribbean @ World's End~ A legislative act contrary to the Constitution is not law. ~Justice John Marshall~ http://www.radiofreeliberty.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do
Fwd: Spending Transparency News Updates
-- Forwarded message -- From: National Taxpayers Union dsan...@ntu.org Date: Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 6:00 PM Subject: Spending Transparency News Updates To: Tom Martz tandj.ma...@gmail.com http://www.showmethespending.com *Transparency Moves Forward in Montana* * *Good news from Montana, thanks to an update from Carl Graham, President of the Montana Policy Institutehttp://www.montanapolicy.org/main/page.php?page_id=1. Today, Senate Bill 241http://laws.leg.mt.gov/laws09/LAW0203W$BSRV.ActionQuery?P_BLTP_BILL_TYP_CD=SBP_BILL_NO=241P_BILL_DFT_NO=P_CHPT_NO=Z_ACTION=FindP_SBJ_DESCR=P_SBJT_SBJ_CD=P_LST_NM1=P_ENTY_ID_SEQ=, the “Taxpayer Right to Know Act,” was passed in the Senate (33-17) and will now move to the House. The bill mandates creation of a site that reveals how much the state spends on government programs. More importantly, if passed, it will require Montana’s Legislative Fiscal Divisionhttp://leg.mt.gov/css/fiscal/to present a detailed plan during the 2011 legislative session, a plan for launching a more comprehensive spending transparency site than what SB 241 creates. Stay tuned for more updates and sign up for the Montana Policy Institute’s email newsletterhttp://www.montanapolicy.org/main/page.php?page_id=21. *Will ERRA Foster Long-Term Transparency?* ** ** The Economic Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Recovery_and_Reinvestment_Act_of_2009has received lots of attention recently, and with good reason. The Act allocates $787 billion to be spent throughout the U.S. Of that $787 billion in spending, it is estimated that about 69%, more than $541 billion, will be administered by state governments, according to Duane Pardehttp://www.ntu.org/main/letters_detail.php?letter_id=664, President of the National Taxpayers Unionhttp://www.ntu.org/main/letters_detail.php?letter_id=664. While many disagree with the Act’s fundamental assumption (that government spending stimulates the economy), the Act does have a silver lining: it puts state officials under pressure to show how they will spend Federal funds. Some state government officials have already launchedhttp://www.recovery.gov/?q=content/state-recovery-pagewebsites to show how they’re spending stimulus money. Unfortunately, much of the information they provide is not searchable or detailed yet, but the sites should improve over time. At the very least, though, the speed with which these sites have been developed and launched demonstrates that when government officials make transparency a priority, it is readily and speedily accomplished. *Mark Your Calendars for the National Taxpayers Conference * ** On June 11-13, 2009, the National Taxpayers Union http://www.ntu.org/main/will host its National Taxpayers Conference at the Hyatt Regency Crystal City in the Washington, DC area. This Conference will combine informative policy discussions, inspirational success stories, and practical workshops to help citizen activists reduce taxation and promote economic freedom. As members of the showmethespending.com Coalition should note, transparency in government spending will be one of the Conference’s major themes. Click here http://www.ntu.org/main/page.php?PageID=164 to learn more about the Conference, and take advantage of the “early bird” special by reserving your spot todayhttp://ga1.org/ntu_action/events/taxpayersconference09/details.tcl(the discount for early registrations ends April 13)! -- Visit the web address below to tell your friends about this. Tell-a-friend!http://ga1.org/join-forward.html?domain=ntu_actionr=F1X7vuF1rxTe If you received this message from a friend, you can sign up for NTU's Taxpayer Action Center http://ga1.org/ntu_action/join.html?r=F1X7vuF1rxTeE. This message was sent to tandj.ma...@gmail.com. Visit your subscription management page http://ga1.org/ntu_action/smp.tcl?nkey=x3uunwurliibttk; to modify your email communication preferences or update your personal profile. To stop receiving Spending Transparency e-Updates, click to unsubscribehttp://ga1.org/ntu_action/remove-domain-direct.tcl?ctx=subscriptionnkey=x3uunwurliibttk;. To stop ALL email from NTU's Taxpayer Action Center, click to removehttp://ga1.org/ntu_action/remove-domain-direct.tcl?ctx=centernkey=x3uunwurliibttk;yourself from our lists (or reply via email with remove or unsubscribe in the subject line). http://www.convio.com -- No man who is corrupt, no man who condones corruption in others, can possibly do his duty by the community... President Theodore Roosevelt Abuse of power isn't limited to bad guys in other nations. It happens in our own country if we’re not vigilant. ~Clint Eastwood~ There is no worse tyranny than to force a man to pay for what he does not want merely because you think it would be good for him. ~Robert Heinlein~ If you have fifty problems and one of them is government, then you only have ONE problem. “[A]
Fw: You Can Be A Powerful Voice
I'm praying on our own election. We are getting the Spanish vote, hopefully. I am concerned about our Nation Government and praying our new President is not letting us fail in order to hand us over to the Islams or Muslims. I know some others who are along with me. This was my fear from the beginning. Now, guys, let's pay off some bonds etc, here when you get into office. I feel like the cheerleader I never was in school. - Forwarded Message From: Tom Martz t.ma...@gmail.com To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 6:11:51 PM Subject: Re: You Can Be A Powerful Voice I'm more worried about my own government then radical Islam On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 8:09 PM, larmelt...@aol.com wrote: Visit our News page You Can Be A Powerful Voice For Those You Care About !! by Guy Rodgers ACT! for America Executive Director Register for a “Citizens in Action” conference today at www.actforamerica.org Dear When I first got involved as a grassroots volunteer in politics over 30 years ago, I made a conscious effort to observe and emulate the political people who were clearly more successful than most everyone else I could see. That’s because I got involved to make a difference…to make changes in government policies and the people who implemented them – and I wanted to be as effective and successful as I could be. I’ll never forget the day I came across this saying, put forth by an organization that educated people how to be more successful in the arena of government, politics, and civic affairs: “You owe it to your philosophy to study how to win.” This is the inspiration behind our “Citizens in Action” conferences. Only in our case, I would re-write it this way: “You owe it to your families, friends, children and grandchildren to study how to win.” Most people in America don’t yet recognize that we are in a life and death, liberty vs. tyranny struggle against the rising tide of radical Islam. But you do. And that knowledge carries with it the opportunity and responsibility to make sure we do whatever we can do to be excellent, modern-day “Paul Revere’s” in warning, awakening and mobilize America to the threat that is on our doorstep. That’s why you owe it to yourself and everyone you know and care about to “study how to win.” After all, their lives and liberty may well depend on what you and I do – and how well we do it. That’s why we’re not only offering seven “Citizens in Action” conferences this year – we’re also making six of them available to anyone, anywhere in the world, via live webcast. You don’t even have to travel to a conference if none of them are close enough for you to attend. That’s why we’re offering a money-back guarantee on these conferences. If you’re not 100% satisfied that you are more knowledgeable, more empowered, more equipped, and more motivated after participating in one of these conferences, we’ll refund your registration price. That’s why our registration price begins as low as $19 – because we want to make sure no one who wants to participate is left out for financial reasons. That’s why we’ve put together a team of presenters that have dozens of years experience on the topics covered in the conference. We know you want the best for those you know and care about – which is why we have devised this conference, to equip, empower and inspire you. We can’t afford to lose the fight against radical Islam. We can’t afford to fail, for the price of failure is one we cannot pay. For the sake of our families, friends, and the generations that follow us, we must win. We must succeed. No other organization in America, committed to combating the rising tide of radical Islam, offers such a conference. So join us today by logging on at http://www.actforamerica.org/index.php/citizens-in-actionand locate a “Citizens in Action” conference you can either attend in person or participate via live webcast. We’re not asking you to commit to six weeks of military “Basic Training” – just one Saturday. Join the ranks of those who have already attended and called this conference “a must-attend event” and “the most important event of its kind I’ve ever attended.” Log on and register today! --- ACT for America P.O. Box 12765 Pensacola, FL 32591 www.actforamerica.org Great Deals on Dell 15 Laptops - Starting at $479 -- http://votetom4council.webs.com/ www.moliberty.org http://417-political-pundit.blogspot.com The power to tax involves the power to destroy. ~Justice John Marshall~ Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you! -Pericles (430 B.C.) no cause is lost if there is but one fool to fight for it ~Will Turner~ ~Pirate's of the Caribbean @ World's End~ A legislative act contrary to the
Re: And now, the Rest of the Story
Yes, Eric, you are correct, I believe. Bankruptcy is the best idea. They would lose their jobs, I assume. And, can they get a new job like the ones they had? Either way, they should have to lose, since they ran the companies. I think I am getting it. The whole thing is making America weak, and I think Obama may have just that in mind. I hope not. From: Eric Vought evou...@pobox.com To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 5:50:40 PM Subject: Re: And now, the Rest of the Story On Mar 25, 2009, at 3:33 PM, Jerry Blevins wrote: I thank it is wrong for them not to fulfill the contracts that were put in place, if they were not going to do this, then why did they give the company any money at all. I am on the side that none of this so called bailouts should have ever been paid. They should have gone through bankruptcy like every other failing company. Then the courts would have appointed a trustee to oversee payments to employees and creditors. Bankruptcy courts have quite a bit of experience and centuries of precedent on how to handle retention payments and bonuses to transitional employees. The employees would have known exactly what the situation was, would have been able to take their case to the trustee if necessary, and we would have known that someone was carefully examining the books. That's what bankruptcy is FOR. And, I agree, none of the bailout money ever should have been paid and Blunt will not be forgiven in my book for orchestrating it nor Claire McCaskill or Kit Bond for supporting it. If these companies are fundamentally sound but they just have these toxic assets on their books that clouds their market value was accurate, then someone would have picked them up at a bankruptcy fire sale. The fact that no one offered means that everyone knows the company is not sound and has no possibility of becoming sound (though perhaps individual BUs like this man's might be of value to someone). The letter, if accurate, just shows that the bigwigs gambling habit took healthy and profitable businesses/business units down with it. The steady, reliable profit of a business unit pulling in $100 million a year should have been the mainstay of a company, but it was dwarfed by the billions in funny money derivatives scams and utterly erased by $100 billion plus in sudden liabilities on bad gambling debts. The problem when government and the Fed plays in the market is that suddenly only the idiots can remain competitive. If a BU or company is being conservative and not playing in the $60 plus trillion derivatives scam then their profit is irrelevant and they are either squashed or sucked up by competitors with inflated balance sheets--- until it all finally comes home to roost. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
